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MacRumors
Jun 17, 2003, 12:02 PM
Several readers note that German retailer Cancom (http://shop.cancom.de/) are advertising for new Desktops come Monday. Their graphic also shows a Tower under brown wrapping labeled "G5".



Stella
Jun 17, 2003, 12:07 PM
I've looked at the site briefly, but can't see any mention of g5.

Is there a price yet? If so, how much?

dbenesch
Jun 17, 2003, 12:08 PM
I'd be much more psyched if they were taking preorders. Alas, they might just be reading the same rumors that we all are.

moosecat
Jun 17, 2003, 12:09 PM
Hmmm... Maybe it's under brown paper -- or maybe brown paper IS the new enclosure.

;)

Seriously, Macrumors has a serious worldwide intelligence network. Some site posts a tiny suggestive picture and it's instantly here. Amazing.

jg3
Jun 17, 2003, 12:09 PM
I'm not seeing it. Pretty gutsy putting that up this early, regardless of whether they have inside info or not. Wonder how long it will take to get pulled.

richard5mith
Jun 17, 2003, 12:13 PM
Well if ever you needed confirmation folks, here it is...

crees!
Jun 17, 2003, 12:14 PM
GREAT GOOGLY MOOGLY!
I think I just peed myself.

cubist
Jun 17, 2003, 12:16 PM
They may have just changed it... the paper now says "Neue Desk-tops"

richard5mith
Jun 17, 2003, 12:16 PM
Just in case it's pulled...

http://www.chatbear.com/images/cancom.png

The name of the brown paper image is G5-verpackt_grau_small.jpg.

arn
Jun 17, 2003, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by richard5mith
Well if ever you needed confirmation folks, here it is...

I would not call this confirmation. Probably just wishful thinking.

arn

crees!
Jun 17, 2003, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by cubist
They may have just changed it... the paper now says "Neue Desk-tops"

Next time I'm wearing diapers. Stop playing with my (and our) emotions!

MacBandit
Jun 17, 2003, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by arn
I would not call this confirmation. Probably just wishful thinking.

arn

I agree it wouldn't be the first time a retail site has posted an image like this based on their oppinion and rumors rather then real knowledge.

richard5mith
Jun 17, 2003, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by arn
I would not call this confirmation. Probably just wishful thinking.

arn

It would be a bit stupid for an online retailer to put these things up based on rumours and speculation. The resultant customer backlash wouldn't be worth the hassle. It doesn't make good business sense to advertise something you don't have/won't have.

MacBandit
Jun 17, 2003, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by richard5mith
It would be a bit stupid for an online retailer to put these things up based on rumours and speculation. The resultant customer backlash wouldn't be worth the hassle. It doesn't make good business sense to advertise something you don't have/won't have.

Like I said though this wouldn't be the first time it has happened. It seems to me that MacMall did a similar thing a while back and it turned out to be nothing.

Vonnie
Jun 17, 2003, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by richard5mith
It doesn't make good business sense to advertise something you don't have/won't have.

It worked for Bill when he sold DOS to IBM :-)

pfranzen
Jun 17, 2003, 12:48 PM
I don't understand why none of you think that they have peeked inside one of the DO NOT OPEN boxes...If it was my store I would :D

Its not like Steve will be inspecting all the shops to look at the packaging...

P

evilfunkgenius
Jun 17, 2003, 02:18 PM
Maybe Apple invented a timed-release electro-shock duct tape to prevent unauthorized access to their packages!?

OompaLoompa
Jun 17, 2003, 02:30 PM
In a german Forum someone reposts of a phonecall with CANOM,


"Update: Bei einem Telefonat mit Cancom in dieser Sache konnte folgende Information "extrahiert" werden:

? Cancom hat (laut eigener Aussage!) noch keine neuen Rechner, auch keine verpackten!

? Das Bild ist nur ein Bild eines verpackten G3/G4, kein wirkliches Foto. Auch der Filename ist willkürlich gewählt.

? Cancom weiss (obwohl einer der grössten Apple-Händler) auch nichts wirklich genaues (oder natürlich sie dürfen nix sagen!), ausser, dass Montagabend definitiv neue Desktops kommen!"


Translation:
1. Cancom does not have any new Computer, not even wraped

2. The Picture is just a picture of a wraded G3/G4, and not really a photo. The Filename is arbitrary choosen

3. Canon does not know (althogh they are one of the biggest dealers) anything for sure (or they are not allowed to tell), except,
that there will be new desktops on monday!

RHutch
Jun 17, 2003, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by OompaLoompa
In a german Forum someone reposts of a phonecall with CANOM,

Translation:
1. Cancom does not have any new Computer, not even wraped

2. The Picture is just a picture of a wraded G3/G4, and not really a photo. The Filename is arbitrary choosen

3. Canon does not know (althogh they are one of the biggest dealers) anything for sure (or they are not allowed to tell), except,
that there will be new desktops on monday!

So, what they are saying is that they don't have any new computers, but that there will be new computers on Monday.

I'm less likely to believe this now. I could understand if they had boxes or something, but what is their source?

rog
Jun 17, 2003, 03:34 PM
I agree this is just wishful thinking. If retailers all around the world knew for sure something was coming and there were stacks of hidden boxes saying "do not open until June 23" there would be many many more reports of this. Instead we get some obscure report about a french store and some random German store. When I hear 10 independent reports from CompUSAs around the US, then maybe I'll believe it. This is all just getting stupid.

arn
Jun 17, 2003, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by richard5mith
It would be a bit stupid for an online retailer to put these things up based on rumours and speculation. The resultant customer backlash wouldn't be worth the hassle. It doesn't make good business sense to advertise something you don't have/won't have.

and yet it happens - or has happened - in past expos.

arn

brossow
Jun 17, 2003, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by richard5mith
It would be a bit stupid for an online retailer to put these things up based on rumours and speculation. The resultant customer backlash wouldn't be worth the hassle. It doesn't make good business sense to advertise something you don't have/won't have.

It would also be a bit stupid for a retailer to effectively halt all sales of current stock by saying something new is coming in a week. Yet it seems they've done it. Boneheads either way you look at it....

NavyIntel007
Jun 17, 2003, 07:13 PM
Maybe they weren't selling or don't have any desktops anyway. So there's nothing to lose.

Rootman
Jun 17, 2003, 08:55 PM
Inspired by the fact that the paper bag Mac image had a filename of "G5-something dot something," I did a Google image search for "G5" string image files and found a search result for a link that's been pulled down - www.cables.cz/g5_rumors.htm - but had this thumbnail for the search result. Along with this Mac pic were a lot of funny things like pumpkins and cannons that would have been funny to post, but this looks like it might be something...

OompaLoompa
Jun 17, 2003, 09:13 PM
It "might be" a quicksilver

MacBandit
Jun 18, 2003, 02:02 AM
Originally posted by Rootman
Inspired by the fact that the paper bag Mac image had a filename of "G5-something dot something," I did a Google image search for "G5" string image files and found a search result for a link that's been pulled down - www.cables.cz/g5_rumors.htm - but had this thumbnail for the search result. Along with this Mac pic were a lot of funny things like pumpkins and cannons that would have been funny to post, but this looks like it might be something...

I remember that pic floating around just prior to the intro of the MDD PowerMacs.

nagromme
Jun 18, 2003, 02:29 AM
I'd say this means that someone making some little non-Apple web ad BELIEVES that G5s are coming. It doesn't tell us why, or that their reasons are good ones. Maybe they just read the rumor sites.

If this ad was up based on REAL hard info, that info would have come with the warning not to make it public. So this is just someone's eduated guess, or even just for fun.

punter
Jun 18, 2003, 03:23 AM
well it seems EVERYONE has posted their opinion about what's going to happen on june 23 (including me after this post).

And yet despite these thousands of posts, we know nothing more then the fact we'll have to wait until june 23 to find the truth.

robsworld
Jun 18, 2003, 03:41 AM
Cancom now removed the announcment ;-)

I'm sure this is not a joke from Cancom. Please keep in mind that cancon is one of the biggest Mac resellers in Germany

Rob

tribalogical
Jun 18, 2003, 04:56 AM
yeah, I'd say that "resumed silence" certainly comfirms *something* is afoot, even if it's not G5's... at least we can now expect to see a new power mac tower...?

exciting... I wonder if I'll sleep at all this weekend :)

sadly, for me here in Tokyo, I don't get to see the news until the wee hours of Tuesday morning...

man, am I getting itchy!

tlc

MacMarino
Jun 18, 2003, 08:17 AM
Dont worry, I know how you feel. Im also here in Tokyo, and i remember the last expo, I went to sleep early and woke up at 1am to watch the broadcast and chat on iChat with everyone about what was happening...
Then I had to get up early later to go to work....damn!!!

Macmarino:(

JBracy
Jun 18, 2003, 09:02 AM
Originally posted by robsworld
Cancom now removed the announcment ;-)

I'm sure this is not a joke from Cancom. Please keep in mind that cancon is one of the biggest Mac resellers in Germany

Rob

And the UK - They've bought out almost every Mac Mail Order dealer (except Jigsaw and CW) and are opening retail stores all over London and the South East.

JBracy
Jun 18, 2003, 09:04 AM
Also, don't forget that Apple itself have no retail presence in Europe, so they need to have independant dealers. In the US they can simply have the stuff delivered to the Apple Store that morning.

macfreek57
Jun 18, 2003, 02:10 PM
like OompaLoompa said.. it just looks like a g4 or even g3 wrapped up
haven't all of the rumors said that it's going to be a totally new design?
can't you see the large g3/g4 case handles on the front?

seems obvious to me

JBracy
Jun 18, 2003, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by macfreek57
like OompaLoompa said.. it just looks like a g4 or even g3 wrapped up
haven't all of the rumors said that it's going to be a totally new design?
can't you see the large g3/g4 case handles on the front?

seems obvious to me

I think you can ignor what the image at cancom looks like. I'm sure it was just a mock up and not the actual machine wrapped in brown paper!

If they were to put a picture of the actual machine on their web site a week before it is announced don't you think Apple would pull their Authorized Reseller status quicker than Steve could fire an AppleStore employee for posting screen shots of an Apple database?!?

safXmal
Jun 18, 2003, 04:29 PM
Hello

I'm new to this game of rumors but I was looking around on the US patent office and I saw that Apple filed a strange thin for patenting. Could somebody tell me what they invented?
http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=apple.AS.&OS=AN/apple&RS=AN/apple
uj*-jqs
United States Patent Application
20030107606

Kind Code

A1

Capps, Stephen C. ; _ et al.
June 12, 2003

Multiple personas for mobile devices

Abstract


A computer system is disclosed which may adopt one of many personas, depending upon the role that its owner is currently playing. The computer system includes a central repository of extensible personas available to all applications running on the computer system. Each such persona has associated therewith a suite of parameters, or specific values for parameters, which are appropriate for conducting computer implemented transactions under a particular persona. The computer system further includes a graphical user interface which allows the user to switch from persona to persona by selecting a particular persona from a list of available personas displayed on a display screen of the computer system. By selecting such persona, the user causes the computer system to globally change the entire suite of parameter values so that subsequent transactions conducted with the computer system employ the parameter values of the current persona.





Inventors:
Capps, Stephen C.; (San Carlos, CA) ; Ansanelli, Joseph G.; (Palo Alto, CA) ; Fang, Ton-Yun; (Sunnyvale, CA)

Correspondence Name and Address:


BEYER WEAVER & THOMAS LLP
P.O. BOX 778
BERKELEY
CA
94704-0778
US



Assignee Name and Adress:

Apple Computer, Inc.



Serial No.:

305678

Series Code:

10

Filed:

November 26, 2002






U.S. Current Class:
345/810

U.S. Class at Publication:
345/810

Intern'l Class:
G09G 005/00



Claims

frogmella
Jun 18, 2003, 05:00 PM
Cancom have sent out fliers to everyone on their database (I live in Cambridge, UK and bought something from them when they were an AppleCentre). It says:
"Visit Cancom Cambridge on Friday 27th June. You are invited to hear Apple's lates product announcements!"

So, I take this to mean that they don't know what's coming either.

grouse
Jun 19, 2003, 04:18 AM
Just off the phone to my main supplier of Mac Stuff in the UK, obviously can't tell you who, but they are large and very reputable. I was after a new monitor to replace one that someone had wrecked by cleaning with a solvent-based cloth, and I just dropped into the conversation, "anything you can tell me about what might be happening with the new machines?". The chap there said, you might want to wait till Monday/Tuesday (ie USA time), as far as we know the current G4's are going to continue for now, but be slashed in price, and something "super-dooper, whizz-bang" will be available Mon/Tues.

He know's they are taking a large number of them, but he hasn't been told the final spec and he hasn't crucially seen the boxes yet, but it's definitely happening and they are going to be at suppliers for the day/day after the WWDC keynote.

Two things on this, if apple do for a while continue the G4's, then suddenly we have the price competitive low-end, highish spec machines to compete with the wintel boxes, and of course, this is as close as we'll get for now for confirmation that these new machines not only exist, but are ready to go. As I say, this is a very trustworthy retailer, with whom my company has had dealings for a long time, and they wouldn't make it up!

Go figure.....

whooleytoo
Jun 19, 2003, 07:29 AM
Most likely, they've noticed PMac inventory drying up, and since that only happens prior to a new release as Apple tries to clear the channel of inventory; they've made a (very small) assumption that new pro desktops are going to be launched very soon.

Then they tied that up with the online grapevine, and the timing of the WWDC they've hazarded a guess that it's a 970 release at that convention.

It's not that unreasonable.

Mike.

whooleytoo
Jun 19, 2003, 09:27 AM
Originally posted by safXmal
A computer system is disclosed which may adopt one of many personas, depending upon the role that its owner is currently playing. ....


The wording is a bit vague; when it describes a persona, if it means a user persona it sounds like it describes some kind of multi-user login with each login (or persona) having a different theme , but that currently exists on several systems so it's unlikely Apple could get a patent unless it differs significently from existing offerings.

On the other hand, if it describes a computer persona; it might be describing some kind of personalised assistant, perhaps combined with a persona-dependent UI theme.

(i.e. It's so vague, it could be anything! :)

Mike.

grouse
Jun 19, 2003, 10:25 AM
Mike

I take your point, but the tone of the conversation I had was not guess work, it was much more, and I have dealt with the guy over many years, "we've got them, they'll be on sale Tuesday" rather than "I reckon something's happening.

It would of little benefit to him to string me along or take wild guesses.

Either way, I'm ready for them now....

kansaigaijin
Jun 19, 2003, 09:50 PM
the Cancom ad as a ? mark in that little teaser copy.
means the same in english or german.

pilchard
Jun 21, 2003, 09:39 AM
Found this.

searched for Apple G5 at www.google.co.uk and saw sponsered link on top right of screen.

http://www.macdiscounts.com/g5.html

Can't get to this page from main site - Guess they must be getting ready for some anouncment.

:)

hvfsl
Jun 25, 2003, 04:39 PM
I hope they do bring out the G6s soon, the G5 PMacs are getting quite old.

ouketii
Jun 29, 2003, 12:01 PM
i agree, g5 pmacs are so last week.