NAB: Final Cut Server, Final Cut Studio 2, ProRes 422, IO-HD

[aristotle]

I thought I read that the software was cross platform.
Final Cut Server has a windows client for searching through and viewing media assets. The Server runs on OS X and Final Cut Studio is mac only.

[ZorPrime]

it is grey market. actually we dont buy things from apple it self. in the case of mac pros we ordered them to another company in new york.they bought them and sent them to dubi (in middle east). and then they posted the computers to iran! and that`s how a 2800$ computer becomes a 4000$.

I believe the reason of these unacceptable prices is iranian goverment. i mean dell and hp can have branches in iran, why apple cant?
this has become a huge problem for apple users in iran. there is no REAL support for apple computers owner here.

That is really interesting that Dell and HP have branches in Iran but Apple doesn't, I figured it would be just as illegal for Dell and HP, both based in the US and subject to US Federal trade regulation, to sell directly to Iran... either way, you really are a Mac enthusiast. :apple:

[Alpinism]

Unless Apple has any other rabbits in their hat, I would say june WWDC will be hardware fest + iLife. Updates on MBP and MP if not on their entire line yes, including ipods.

Why ? what else could get a bunch of computer programmers excited in june ?? Surely, demoing oct bound Leopard would not occupied the majority of the keynote. Just pray to god they wont be showboating that damn phone again.

A lower priced 3ghz 8 core or 2.66 8 core would surely go nice with FCS 2.0. :D

[Pigumon]

There's your new Color application to give you the better color correction you are looking for (can't remember who was hoping for that).

This is certainly aimed at pro's.

(note: the apostrophe just used is there to indicate the ommission of letters from the end of the word "professional", not to indicate a plural. Just add an "S" or "ES" for plural in most cases. Using an apostrophe there is incorrect. Please don't misuse the apostrophe.)

With full color control, you can change the mood of entire scene. Give your scene a little orange tone to make it feel warm and cozy, or turn it blue to make it edgey and cold. This will be neat to play with!

[localoid]

... However, much of the negativity is due to irrational expectations and the MS anti-Apple posting campaign. When Apple delayed release of Leopard, they smelled the 'blood in the water'. Better get used to it. They will seize on every subject to post their drivel.

You know, now that you mention it... M$'s Ministry of Untruth, Hate and Discontent does seem to be working overtime as of late... :rolleyes:

[rezatayebi]

Unless Apple has any other rabbits in their hat, I would say june WWDC will be hardware fest + iLife. Updates on MBP and MP if not on their entire line yes, including ipods.

Why ? what else could get a bunch of computer programmers excited in june ?? Surely, demoing oct bound Leopard would not occupied the majority of the keynote. Just pray to god they wont be showboating that damn phone again.

A lower priced 3ghz 8 core or 2.66 8 core would surely go nice with FCS 2.0. :D

about the phone, im with you.
NAB may not excite developers but it sure makes people like me scream. i think this years`s NAB was great. especially motion 3. motion 3 makes user rely less on their3d app (in my case maya) and rely more on a much faster much easier app.

[dcr]

One more interesting thing, check out these videos (http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/finalcutpro/) and tell me that is not Leopard's text to speech technology at work?

Why on earth would someone use text-to-speech on marketing materials? That's the second most ridiculous statement in your post.

[FriarTuck]

I don't understand all of the negative votes on this. It's evidence that Apple has not forgotten about the pro space while pursuing its iLife/iPod/iPhone consumer strategy.

[iJawn108]

Where is logic pro 8 ?:confused:

there never will be one


what does that aja box actually do in non video editing language?

[localoid]

Why on earth would someone use text-to-speech on marketing materials? That's the second most ridiculous statement in your post.

I agree his premise is flawed, but... Computer speech technology is actually approaching the point where it should soon be usable for some interesting productions. For example, EastWest Sound's Quantum Leap Symphonic Choirs comes remarkably close to sounding like a real choir, if used skillfully. ;)

[SMM]

what in god's name are you talking about? They make the software, they know what's involved in terms of production and packaging time to get it out to the public they have been doing it for years. Why not time it to conicide with the release? Is NAB not at the same time every year? Does apple not know that? If apple announced a product a year before they intended to ship it (iphone aside as they stated their reason) you would be like wtf. The whole point of making new software is for people to use it. And the software is done, which is usually the only hold up.

I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt here. I will accept you have little experience with product development; whether it is hardware, or software, computer related, or not.

Your product is ready, when it has gone through all of the required steps to bring it to market. If it takes "X" amount of time to complete it, then that is the way it is. Sometimes you can throw additional resources at it and improve the schedule. However, in many cases you cannot.

Your perception is, when given a fixed deadline (like NAB), it can be met. The obvious flaw in that logic is assuming the product 'rollout' deadline can always be adjusted to the NAB deadline. In the real world, it does not work that way.
;)

I don't understand all of the negative votes on this. It's evidence that Apple has not forgotten about the pro space while pursuing its iLife/iPod/iPhone consumer strategy.

It is a result of Leopard. The MS machine is in full-motion.

[astral]

[QUOTE=iJawn108;3551945

what does that aja box actually do in non video editing language?[/QUOTE]

It converts uncompessed HD video, which would take up ungodly amounts of space, into Apple's new compressed HD format, which takes up less space, thus enabling HD to be edited on smaller hard drives and/or laptops.

[MacRumorsReader]

It is a result of Leopard. The MS machine is in full-motion.

....and the idea that if the upgrade/news/product doesn't affect me then it is "craaaaaaaap".

[zioxide]

I don't understand all of the negative votes on this. It's evidence that Apple has not forgotten about the pro space while pursuing its iLife/iPod/iPhone consumer strategy.

It's all the idiots who thought a mac mini update or widescreen iPod would come out today. They got their hopes up because their idiots, and now they're disappointed, so they're voting the story negative.

[killr_b]

Well, now that I'm done pissing myself… :eek:

That is the shizzle of the dizzle we knew was coming. :D

Almost every gripe is solved with this update. The color, the surround sound, the 3d compositing, and even the compressor workflow. I am in a state of awe that will not soon wear off. :D

[Rocketman]

I just read the HD for indies site coverage. It is filled with a lot of jargon that if you are not heavy into videomaking or movie making you might as well avoid. But for the newbies, this FCS update is akin to the update from Photoshop 2.0 to Photoshop 6.0.

It is major. It dropped the cost to make films and the cost to make broadcast television by between $100,000 and $200,000 (on the lowest end) in capital costs alone, plus substantial savings in worker time, worker count, and admin worker count.

Then there is the fact it simply does more, does everything better, and looks cool while doing it. I believe every cable show will have fancier graphics soon while further delclines in actual content value continue to drop.

FCS is a turbo must-have.

Rocketman

[localoid]

Not sure how to take your post. If you are attempting to deny M$ does not engage in "...Untruth, Hate and Discontent...", then read no further. Otherwise...

Err, yes... I was saying that trolling has recently seemed to increase in public forums, along with the distribution of even more misinformation via MSM that unusual. :confused:

[SMM]

Err, yes... I was saying that trolling has recently seemed to increase in public forums, along with the distribution of even more misinformation via MSM that unusual. :confused:

I did not read your post carefully, and I owe you an apology. I deleted mine, but not in time it seems.

I apologize for failing to read what you had written, and posting a BS response to it. I will be more aware of this in the future. :o

[Mr B]

I just read the HD for indies site coverage. It is filled with a lot of jargon that if you are not heavy into videomaking or movie making you might as well avoid. But for the newbies, this FCS update is akin to the update from Photoshop 2.0 to Photoshop 6.0.

It is major. It dropped the cost to make films and the cost to make broadcast television by between $100,000 and $200,000 (on the lowest end) in capital costs alone, plus substantial savings in worker time, worker count, and admin worker count.

Then there is the fact it simply does more, does everything better, and looks cool while doing it. I believe every cable show will have fancier graphics soon while further delclines in actual content value continue to drop.

FCS is a turbo must-have.

Rocketman

I totally agree. This update is beyond exciting. Heck if all they did was add the Color program it would be pretty cool, that'll be worth the upgrade alone. I have just started to offline and online some shows in HD and these updates will smooth, improve, and make easier everything I am doing. I mean, thank god for realtime handling of multiple formats in the timeline. And Motion 3 looks like it is gonna be huge.

I also agree that I think DVDSP is going to get a free upgrade sometime later , so don't think we should be freaking out over that yet.

[iJawn108]

It converts uncompessed HD video, which would take up ungodly amounts of space, into Apple's new compressed HD format, which takes up less space, thus enabling HD to be edited on smaller hard drives and/or laptops.

ahh and not bogging your computer down to a standstill, it makes sense thank you. I was like "oh a box with connectors... neat i guess". lol

[corywoolf]

It's not...it's the same guy that did the tutorials in the Final Cut Studio package...he's masking his accent a little though...not quite as strong as in the Final Cut Studio tutorials.

He has excellent pronunciation then, it sounded almost too good to be Leopard's speech technology. A few parts seemed like he said the work the exact same way twice in a row. Sort of robotic sounding to me. Thanks for making that clear though.

[Mr B]

Oh, and I just read the part that Compressor 3 can do Timecode overlays, nice! Yeah, I'm skipping some of the huge stuff, that's a given, but it's little things like this that can save hours in a day.

[corywoolf]

Why on earth would someone use text-to-speech on marketing materials? That's the second most ridiculous statement in your post.

It sounded robotic to me at certain points, he says most things in the same exact tone and speed several times. And for your question:

What better way to advertise Apple's upcoming OS and spike interest then use some groundbreaking technology as a teaser. It would be a great feat if Apple could have used it's text-to-speech technology as a voiceover so well and it would show how it could change the way voice overs could be done. What is the other ridiculous statement in my post btw? :rolleyes:

[spaz8]

I see someone already mentioned it.. i also was gonna say i think DVDSP 4 will be updated to 4.5 or something in June if Blue-ray, HD-dvd become BTO or October with leopard's release.. its just a matter of apples hardware catching up.

[donlphi]

... and no sign of Logic Pro. That sucks.

I just got 7, I would hate to have to upgrade just for the sake of upgrading. Is there a flaw with 7 I don't know about?

:confused:

[Rod Rod]

and the IO-HD supports format conversion as well, so you can ingest at 1080i60, and output at 720p without blinking an eye. if you have an HDV camera, this would be great, because you can ingest at ProRes 422, then do your editing, because HDV is a very lossy format and is horrible for many image manipulations.
Capturing HDV through the IO-HD doesn't have any advantage over working with HDV natively in FCP using the Apple HDV codec. Image manipulations in FCP are done in 32-bit floating point, and it's been that way since FCP 4 (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2003/apr/06fcp4.html). In other words, FCP already has your back with respect to image degradation.
I'm sorry for the stupid question, but do you need the IO box to use the new codec?
No, but if you plan to output to HDCAM (http://bssc.sel.sony.com/BroadcastandBusiness/DisplaySubCategory?m=0&p=16&sp=114) or some other HD tape format, the IO-HD would be necessary.
http://www.apple.com/finalcutserver/

Watch the video.
Is the UI a hint of what's coming up in Leopard?
Black with blue.
No, it looks similar to Shake though.
Hey why wasn't there a GUI change? Will that come with Leopard? I mean, the main gray window didn't seem to change. I'm not a FC user by any means, but it seems ugly in my limited screenshot world.
When I use FCP I'm looking at my content. The UI isn't in my way at all. At most maybe they could do away with the brushed metal.
But, but, but......this is video. I can't store a lot of full HD on my Macbook Pro. This is for Mac Pro, XSAN market.
You can store a lot of full HD on your MacBook Pro. It would be over-the-air or possibly HDV.
One of the primary parts of the presentation is that now you can. Your post reads like you didn't pay attention to that part. It's near the beginning and it specifically refers to MBP as the way to edit HD in SD Size Files. New external compression hardware for MBP only $3500. :rolleyes: :eek: :)
Well, you already could before. What this is about is the ability to cut 4:2:2 HD at (uncompressed) SD data rates, which at 220mbps and 145mbps is still many times the data rate of DV and HDV.


All those incredible editing apps and all they can come out with as an ad for appleTV is some rubbish pan across three rooms...
That's not a pan. It's a trucking shot (http://www.internetcampus.com/frtv/frtv013.htm). Some of us, including me, could use a refresher course once in a while.
I'm disappointed that they are pronouncing it "Eye-Oh-Ach-Dee" instead of "Eye - Odd".
Why would AJA (which rhymes with Asia) start pronouncing a product with "IO" in its name any differently than they had before? I guess that statement stems from being unfamiliar with AJA and / or its other products.
But untill now I am not able to edit uncompressed HD on a Macbook Pro, and I will not be till July. And even then, I don't see myself, even with the IO-HD, doing a full production on the Macbook Pro. The unit is really meant to edit HD on location not doing a full production.
1. Uncompressed HD is only needed for high-end effects shots, and not an entire production. Unless of course you're making the next Sin City or 300, in which case just about the whole production is an effects shot.
2. If you listen to what's being said in those videos on the Apple site, you'd notice that ProRes422 and the IO-HD is indeed meant for entire productions.
Suddenly that extra $1500 for the 8 core looks worth it. 100% utilization of compressor on all 8 core resulting in 3X rendering time.
3x less transcoding time? :)
Did anyone else notice DVD Studio Pro didn't recieve an upgrade.

I was hoping for blu-ray support
Yeah, so much for all the Blu-ray fanboys here who insisted that Apple's membership on the board of directors (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/mar/10blu-ray.html) of the Blu-ray Disc Association would definitely mean something as of NAB 2007.

I myself had speculated that BD authoring would come but I was mistaken.

As a practical matter, Apple is more behind HD DVD than BD, as HD DVD authoring on red-laser DVDRs has been with us for two years now.

Anyone who is really itching to author Blu-ray movie discs should take a serious look at Sonic Scenarist (http://www.sonic.com/products/Professional/Scenarist/quicklook.aspx) and the system it requires (http://www.sonic.com/products/professional/scenarist/system.aspx).

There are excuses out there about why Apple hasn't yet included BD in DVDSP. However, those haven't stopped Sonic (http://www.sonic.com/products/professional/scenarist/features.aspx/bluray).

Obviously changes or amendments to a spec (for example, BD Java) can be added in subsequent software updates. That's how Apple handled the adoption of 802.11b, g and n.

I hope Apple adds BD authoring soon, but in the meantime I'm happy making HD DVDRs of short duration projects.
I also agree that I think DVDSP is going to get a free upgrade sometime later , so don't think we should be freaking out over that yet.
I agree with Rocketman and Mr B. :)

[trogdor!]

I have no idea why people are rating this negative.... this is some revolutionary stuff that was introduced by apple.

All you winers are screaming... "I HATE APPLE. WHY DIDNT THEY UPDATE EVERY SINGLE PRODUCT THEY CURRENTLY SELL AT (INSERT EVENT) !!!"

Did it ever occur that apple has events aimed towards individual markets? So, at that time they release stuff aimed towards them. I thought they did awesome today with their new stuff. Congrats apple!

[corywoolf]

This is certainly aimed at pro's.

(note: the apostrophe just used is there to indicate the ommission of letters from the end of the word "professional", not to indicate a plural. Just add an "S" or "ES" for plural in most cases. Using an apostrophe there is incorrect. Please don't misuse the apostrophe.)

With full color control, you can change the mood of entire scene. Give your scene a little orange tone to make it feel warm and cozy, or turn it blue to make it edgey and cold. This will be neat to play with!

And you couldn't do that in FCP before? :confused:

[thevofl]

Minimum Requirements to Install All Final Cut Studio Applications
A Macintosh computer with a 1.25GHz or faster PowerPC G4, PowerPC G5, Intel Core Duo, or Intel Xeon processor
1GB of RAM
An AGP or PCI Express Quartz Extreme graphics card (Final Cut Studio is not compatible with integrated Intel graphics processors)
A display with 1024-by-768 resolution or higher
Mac OS X v10.4.9 or later
QuickTime 7.1.6 or later
A DVD drive for installation


Color-Specific Requirements
The standard graphics card in any Mac Pro, 17-inch MacBook Pro, 24-inch iMac with Intel Core Duo, or 2.5GHz or faster Power Mac G5 Quad:
ATI Mobility Radeon X1600
ATI Radeon X1600
NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GT, 7600 GT, 7300 GT, 6800 Ultra DDL, 6800 GT DDL, 6600, or Quadro FX 4500
A display with 1680-by-1050 resolution or higher
A three-button mouse for full functionality

So I can install it on my MBP 15", but I can't run it? Is it the display? What if I hook up an external display?

[tribulation]

How DVD Studio Pro manage to sqeeze by and get no changes made? It still has lots of bugs to be fixed, updated template choices, etc. They could've done at least something to it, couldn't they? Really though, why did they leave that 1 app alone and not do anything at all to it, and then just throw it into this major new bundle? :confused:

[inkswamp]

I dunno what is has been lately, mabye the delay in leopard, but i'v become really tired of apple. For so long have i been fixated about there every move, but now i just cant be bothered. It's as if they have have just left there computers behind and instead focused on the less exciting such as apple tv iphone. I mean , why the hell didnt jobs say anything at NAB to help mend our shattered hopes for a new os soon?

Omigosh, this post so deeply and personally upset me that I penned an outraged, fifty-page post that would have been very gratifying if you were, say, a troll seeking validation for your existence by eliciting that kind of response (which I'm sure you're not.) Sadly, MacRumors won't let me post something that long so you'll just have to lie back and imagine what it would have been like.

And oh, believe me--it was sooooooo good.

[photomaniac]

What is 4:2:2 aspect ratio?

4:2:2 is not an aspect ratio, but rather a color space. For example: normal mini dv cameras record at a 4:1:1 (which means for every 4 luma values there is 1 red and 1 green chroma per line) 4:2:2 is double the resolution in color values; and 4:4:4 is full color resolution... which is why you should never do chroma keying with a 4:1:1 camera because it's almost impossible to get a decent comp and good edges... That's why a camera like the Panasonic HVX200 is such a break through camera because it records in 4:2:2 with their DVCPRO-HD codec! ...before that, I think the cheapest cameras that could do 4:2:2 was around 65K!

....so this Pro Res 422 codec will keep a very high color resolution and very low bandwidth according to Apple... I'm just hoping it can also do alpha channels (like the Animation codec!...that would be awesome!)

[virduk]

It's not an aspect ratio. 4:2:2 is how the luminance and color is handled with video. Regular DV is 4:1:1 meaning that you have 4 pixels of luminance for every 1 and 1 color sample. Basically it means that there is four times the infromation in the luminance (brightness) of the pixel than the actual color. 4:2:2 is only twice as much info so you get better color information. Much better for things like green screening.

P-Worm

What I'm wondering is with 4:4:4 cameras around or out soon, why not support that?

[odedia]

Sony Vegas on the windows side has open timeline and format support since I can remember them... I think back to 2002. I can't believe a professional solution such as FCP decided to support it only now.

I have to say, Vegas was a true breakthrough for its time. I wonder how it is holding up these days.

[simie]

http://www.aja.com/images/prodlg/IoHD.jpghttp://www.aja.com/images/prodsm/Io_IoHD_hand2.jpghttp://www.aja.com/images/backpanels/IoHD_sm.jpg

http://www.aja.com/html/products_Io_IoHD.html

IoHD Features

SD-SDI and HD-SDI I/O (2)

Component I/O (SD and HD)

Composite and S-video I/O

HDMI I/O

16-channel embedded SDI 24-bit audio I/O

AES/EBU 8-channel unbalanced audio I/O

Analog 4-channel balanced audio I/O(XLR)

Analog 2-channel unbalanced audio (RCA)

Apple ProRes422 Codec Support (in hardware), 145Mb and 220Mb bitrates, in 720 and 1080 HD full-raster 10 bit 4:2:2—and in realtime

Genlock with loopthrough

RS-422 machine control

LTC Timecode I/O

Connects to Mac via a single FireWire 800 cable

For Final Cut Pro™ 6 on Mac OS X

3-year Warranty

http://www.aja.com/pdf/Io_Line.pdf

[zioxide]

Sony Vegas on the windows side has open timeline and format support since I can remember them... I think back to 2002. I can't believe a professional solution such as FCP decided to support it only now.

I have to say, Vegas was a true breakthrough for its time. I wonder how it is holding up these days.

Final Cut has supported an open timeline for a long time now too, its just that you had to render before playback, which I bet Vegas has to do too. FC6 will allow real-time playback WITHOUT any type of rendering.

[dontmatter]

3x less transcoding time? :)


Don't you mean, (2/3)x less transcoding time? :)

[Rod Rod]

Do you mean, (2/3)x less transcoding time? :)
Nope. You could rephrase that to say "1/3 to 2/3 the transcoding time." What you wrote is almost like "half as less." I get what you're going for though, because "3x less transcoding time" is a sloppy way to phrase it too. :)

[ThinkingMac]

http://www.aja.com/images/prodlg/IoHD.jpghttp://www.aja.com/images/prodsm/Io_IoHD_hand2.jpghttp://www.aja.com/images/backpanels/IoHD_sm.jpg

http://www.aja.com/html/products_Io_IoHD.html

IoHD Features

SD-SDI and HD-SDI I/O (2)

Component I/O (SD and HD)

Composite and S-video I/O

HDMI I/O

16-channel embedded SDI 24-bit audio I/O

AES/EBU 8-channel unbalanced audio I/O

Analog 4-channel balanced audio I/O(XLR)

Analog 2-channel unbalanced audio (RCA)

Apple ProRes422 Codec Support (in hardware), 145Mb and 220Mb bitrates, in 720 and 1080 HD full-raster 10 bit 4:2:2—and in realtime

Genlock with loopthrough

RS-422 machine control

LTC Timecode I/O

Connects to Mac via a single FireWire 800 cable

For Final Cut Pro™ 6 on Mac OS X

3-year Warranty

http://www.aja.com/pdf/Io_Line.pdf

New ACD for July then as this had HDMI output but no DVI

[TheAnswer]

New ACD for July then as this had HDMI output but no DVI

Nope, this connects to the professional's computer using FW800. The HDMI is for high-end decks or cams that have HDMI out/in.

[phillipjfry]

For all the whiners: :P

http://homepage.mac.com/mklos1/tissuebox.jpg

I LOVE IT! lol

If I knew what anything that was announced today meant, I'm sure I'd be as happy as the rest of you are! :)

Omigosh, this post so deeply and personally upset me that I penned an outraged, fifty-page post that would have been very gratifying if you were, say, a troll seeking validation for your existence by eliciting that kind of response (which I'm sure you're not.) Sadly, MacRumors won't let me post something that long so you'll just have to lie back and imagine what it would have been like.

And oh, believe me--it was sooooooo good.

....Now you have me wondering...:confused:

[phillipjfry]

cleared due to idioocy... :)

[phillipjfry]

ditto...man I'm tired...

[killr_b]

That's not a pan. It's a dolly shot (http://www.peachpit.com/articles/article.asp?p=31096&seqNum=5&rl=1). Get an education. Thanks. Okay, I know that sounded harsh but really, it's a very basic concept in film and video.

Actually you dolly in or out, but you truck left or right.

You may want to be clear on that if you want to work in television.
If you say "truck in or dolly left" you may not get a response. ;)

I know what that article says, and it's wrong.

[hadlock]

Any more info on this ProRes 422 creature? Someone up thread (page 3, 4?) mentioned it in the same sentence as AVID. The extremely brief wikipedia article makes me believe that this is a format independent of anything that AVID supports.

Is it an open standard or proprietary? Apple was gung-ho about the open source movement when they first switched to OS X but I don't see this being opened up much. I'd be interested to see what ProRes 422 could do on the Divx/Xvid scene. Apple claims uncompressed HD video (1GB/minute?) at SD video (100mb/minute)memory footprints? 10:1 uncompressed could easily be 20:1 with light compression...

[Rod Rod]

Actually you dolly in or out, but you truck left or right.

You may want to be clear on that if you want to work in television.
If you say "truck in or dolly left" you may not get a response. ;)

I know what that article says, and it's wrong.

Thanks man. It's been a few years since I took those classes and in my day to day work I'm not shooting on dollies. :) So I'll amend my previous point and say some of us can stand a refresher course (http://www.internetcampus.com/frtv/frtv013.htm) (including myself).

Any more info on this ProRes 422 creature? Someone up thread (page 3, 4?) mentioned it in the same sentence as AVID. The extremely brief wikipedia article makes me believe that this is a format independent of anything that AVID supports.

Is it an open standard or proprietary? Apple was gung-ho about the open source movement when they first switched to OS X but I don't see this being opened up much. I'd be interested to see what ProRes 422 could do on the Divx/Xvid scene. Apple claims uncompressed HD video (1GB/minute?) at SD video (100mb/minute)memory footprints? 10:1 uncompressed could easily be 20:1 with light compression...
That person was comparing ProRes422 with Avid's DNxHD (http://avid.com/solutions/postproduction/index.asp) (link on the right column).

Also, open standards (which QuickTime touts) doesn't mean open source (which as you pointed out is related to OS X).

ProRes422 doesn't do anything special for DivX/Xvid.

[odedia]

Final Cut has supported an open timeline for a long time now too, its just that you had to render before playback, which I bet Vegas has to do too. FC6 will allow real-time playback WITHOUT any type of rendering.

I'm pretty sure it didn't. I would have had to actually wait for it to do the rendering if it did, right? Never had to wait for anything while working in PAL/NTSC projects.

It had some awesome "Dynamic RT"-like engine as well. That was back in the day where I had a 1.8 Pentium 4.

Final Cut Pro is also nice... Although it has a much higher learning curve, that's for sure...

[Shagrat]

That's not a pan. It's a trucking shot (http://www.internetcampus.com/frtv/frtv013.htm). Some of us, including me, could use a refresher course once in a while.


Wondered what you were on about, 'til I realised that we would call this a tracking shot over here in the UK!

[Rod Rod]

Wondered what you were on about, 'til I realised that we would call this a tracking shot over here in the UK!

The term tracking is used over here as well. It can refer to either dollying, trucking or a combination of both.

[A is jump]

I just got 7, I would hate to have to upgrade just for the sake of upgrading. Is there a flaw with 7 I don't know about?

:confused:

Depends on who you ask. Works great for me. There is room for improvement, but there always is. Don't get too caught up by everyone complaining about Logic 8 taking so long. Just have fun and make music... in the mean time I hear that Apple released a new version of FCS!

[twistedlegato]

External HD for the content and you're all set.

It wont work becuase it says that it wont work with Intel ingegrated graphics.

Plus that kinds of software needs a Mac Pro. Not even a MBP can do some of those things unless they make them quad core with HUGE HDDs.

[asmith3006]

I thought the MBP had a graphics card in it and only the Mac Mini, Macbook and bottom end iMac have the integrated Intel graphics?

[diehardmacfan]

the following paragraph was on apples websight saying the part in bold

Versatile DVD Mastering
Whether you burn a one-off disc on your Mac Pro or send a title out for commercial replication, you can have confidence that your DVDs will play back on a wide range of set-top players and computers. Burn your own discs in a wide variety of formats, including double-layer DVDs. For commercial replication, choose one of the traditional red laser formats or double the capacity on your HD DVD disc by using a blue laser format. Add commercial features to SD titles, including copy protection flags used by replicators, region coding, and jacket picture art.

apple also says it again here

Commercial replication
DVD Studio Pro 4 lets you create industry-standard images for SD and HD DVD replication, including dual-layer (DVD-9) as well as single-layer discs. Replicate to traditional red laser formats or double the capacity on your HD DVD disc by using the blue laser format.

it sounds like apple is going with HD-DVD's for their High Def format

below it shows a picture of the burning options with the option to burn with a blue laser

[hoop]

Capturing HDV through the IO-HD doesn't have any advantage over working with HDV natively in FCP using the Apple HDV codec. Image manipulations in FCP are done in 32-bit floating point, and it's been that way since FCP 4 (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2003/apr/06fcp4.html). In other words, FCP already has your back with respect to image degradation.

No, but if you plan to output to HDCAM (http://bssc.sel.sony.com/BroadcastandBusiness/DisplaySubCategory?m=0&p=16&sp=114) or some other HD tape format, the IO-HD would be necessary.



Cheers for the reply.

[ziwi]

Final Cut Express HD? its at 3.5? will there be a 4? or 4.5?

Yes, I was curious about this as well. Could one expect an updae in the near future? The 10.4.9 update killed the FCE HD 3.0 - so choices were a downgrade to 10.4.8 or upgrade to FCE HD 3.5 Universal. So if one was looking to make FCE operate properly again with the current OS patch - one may want to be sure not to spend on the FCE 3.5 if there is a 4.0 appearing in short order...anyone know or have thoughts...? :confused:

[mklos]

what in god's name are you talking about? They make the software, they know what's involved in terms of production and packaging time to get it out to the public they have been doing it for years. Why not time it to conicide with the release? Is NAB not at the same time every year? Does apple not know that? If apple announced a product a year before they intended to ship it (iphone aside as they stated their reason) you would be like wtf. The whole point of making new software is for people to use it. And the software is done, which is usually the only hold up.

Go buy a Dell then with some half-ass created software on it. Only created half-ass just so they can say they released it on time. Like I said before...some people you just can't please!

Yeah, Apple knows when NAB is, but obviously you don't realize how many hundreds of thousands if not millions of lines if of code it is to make these amazing apps. They have 364 days until the next NAB keynote and maybe, just maybe they have some amazing new features that take a very long time to get sorted out. You also need to stop and think about the software engineers families too. They can't just sit there 24/7/365 and write code. There's a lot of crap that needs to get done too before it even hits the shelves.

What would have been worse is if Apple took to your thinking and not released anything at all just because it wasn't quite finished. Talk about bitching and complaining, you would have seen nothing yet if that would have happened.

If you haven't noticed, EVERYONE does this, not just Apple. Car manufacturers annouce their vehlicles before they on dealer lots, Intel announces new CPUs before they are released, etc... EVERYONE does this! Sometimes they are also delayed for uncontrollable reasons. So maybe you just need to chill out a little and stop whining.

[vincebio]

what is wrong with some poeple on here....this site is getting full of absolute spoiled brats.

let me get this straight...

apple releases one of the best updates or new features for pro video editing and we have 165 negatives.....and people are still moaning about fecking ipods and new macbook pros.

grow the feck up

[KindredMAC]

the following paragraph was on apples websight saying the part in bold

Versatile DVD Mastering
Whether you burn a one-off disc on your Mac Pro or send a title out for commercial replication, you can have confidence that your DVDs will play back on a wide range of set-top players and computers. Burn your own discs in a wide variety of formats, including double-layer DVDs. For commercial replication, choose one of the traditional red laser formats or double the capacity on your HD DVD disc by using a blue laser format. Add commercial features to SD titles, including copy protection flags used by replicators, region coding, and jacket picture art.

apple also says it again here

Commercial replication
DVD Studio Pro 4 lets you create industry-standard images for SD and HD DVD replication, including dual-layer (DVD-9) as well as single-layer discs. Replicate to traditional red laser formats or double the capacity on your HD DVD disc by using the blue laser format.

it sounds like apple is going with HD-DVD's for their High Def format

below it shows a picture of the burning options with the option to burn with a blue laser

I caught this too.... not entirely too happy since I've been hearing and also hoping that Blu-Ray became the next standard.

Reports say that this fall, retailers are going to start scaling back on HD DVD media and keep Blu-Ray. Don't ask me where I read it, I read it during lunch at work about 3 weeks ago.

But I guess nothing says that a Blu-Ray option might not be out of order since it too uses a Blue Laser. Maybe HD DVD in this app is a "generic" term????? HERE'S TO HOPING!

[P-Worm]

Is there a source somewhere that says you can burn an HD DVD (A real HD DVD, not a DVD-r with less content on it) with DVD Studio Pro?

P-Worm

[TheFuzz]

As nice is this FCS upgrade is, I think I'll go with Adobe's CS3 Production bundle. I think app for app, they are quite comparable. I'll be downloading the Premiere Pro demo (http://labs.adobe.com/) that's now available just to be sure, but for what I'll be using if for, capturing video to be used in After Effects(compositing, roto, animation) and simple trimming, it should be more than capable. My main app is After Effects, and while the updated Motion looks nice, I don't think it'll be on par with AE, not yet anyway. Plus I do all of my color-grading in AE anyway, so I don't need Color(although it looks really nice.)

The main reason though, is Adobe's education licensing which is way better for me than Apple's. Not being able to upgrade from edu. versions to full versions makes no sense on Apple's part. The fact that I can spend $600 on everything I need from Adobe and then upgrade in 18 months for a few hundred bucks and have the full license makes all the difference for me. That's a big hurdle cleared when I set up my own design studio after school. Kudos to Apple, though, for putting out a nice upgrade and giving Adobe some AE competition w/ Motion 3.

[milo]

Shame there's no way to either buy or upgrade just STP.

Sucks for those of us foolish enough to buy STP 1.0.

[edoates]

and the IO-HD supports format conversion as well, so you can ingest at 1080i60, and output at 720p without blinking an eye. if you have an HDV camera, this would be great, because you can ingest at ProRes 422, then do your editing, because HDV is a very lossy format and is horrible for many image manipulations.

If you have a HDV camera, and you've already recorded using HDV compression, conversion to another format does not fix any of the HDV compression issues with fast motion. It does help editing since long-GOB decompression is not being done on the fly.

Some HDV cameras, like the HVR-V1U from Sony have an HDMI output port which provides uncompressed 1080i60 A/V streams prior to any HDV compression during acquisition. (It is clearly after compression/decompression if the A/V was already put on tape). Using the BlackMagic Intensity device, you can ingest that HDMI stream to your mac either uncompressed (with a suitable drive array), or convert it on the fly to another format, such as 720p (DVCPRO-HD for example) or AIC preserving most of the original data.

If the new Apple box has HDMI capability, then its new compression will be interesting: during acquisition with a nearby MBP, one could store HD at SD rates directly to your hard drive.

Ed

[BRLawyer]

Dont forget, this is NAB, not WWDC or the Expo.

One of the big overall points that is being overlooked is the level to which Apple has raised the game with this release. This new Studio package is going to have an impact similar to the one which was caused by the original intruduction of Funal Cut Pro (in fact the VP giving the presentation said as much). Color alone replaces a suite of systems formerly used to "grade" media that cost a few hundered thousand dollars... now Apple has integrated it into the FC Studio.

I know, I know...but that doesn't stop me from complaining, y'know... :rolleyes:

I am pretty sure these are good releases for pros...it's just that I ain't one, so I feel really bored at the event...as for the poster up there bashing lawyers, I could just say that without us you wouldn't even have Macs in the first place...:cool:

[pizzacake]

As a consumer I've been looking to buy a HD camcorder as they've become very affordable as late. Currently I believe both Final Cut and iMovie take the HD footage and convert it using an intermediate codec to make the footage editable. The downside being the massive disk space required. I hope iMovie 07 will use this new codec if the codec isn't too demanding for the consumer Macs. Is Apple licensing this codec or is it their own creation?

[jettredmont]

As a consumer I've been looking to buy a HD camcorder as they've become very affordable as late. Currently I believe both Final Cut and iMovie take the HD footage and convert it using an intermediate codec to make the footage editable. The downside being the massive disk space required. I hope iMovie 07 will use this new codec if the codec isn't too demanding for the consumer Macs. Is Apple licensing this codec or is it their own creation?

iMovie does convert your footage in general (not sure specifically about HD footage, but it does with SD footage). However, FCP does not.

Now, one thing which is often overlooked in FCP by prosumer-range editors is that it has excellent support for working in low-res files (say, sub-SD) for speed "offline" then replacing those clips with their full-res (say, 2k or larger) matches for the final render. Saves a HUGE amount of time when working hi-def when you don't have a 4-disk "scary RAID" backed octo-proc screamer to work with. Even when you do, allowing that scary RAID and screaming CPU to give you a low-res proof of your edit in a few seconds instead of minutes means you can turn around much faster on ideas and make significantly better editing decisions.

[Rocketman]

I know, I know...but that doesn't stop me from complaining, y'know... :rolleyes:

I am pretty sure these are good releases for pros...it's just that I ain't one, so I feel really bored at the event...as for the poster up there bashing lawyers, I could just say that without us you wouldn't even have Macs in the first place...:cool:

1. If you are bored, ignore it and exercise your right to free speech - in this case, silence.

2. 95% of all lawsuits filed in the world are filed in the USA (cite: CNBC last week Power Lunch). We have nowhere near 95% of the population, or 95% of world GNP, or 95% of transactions either by count or dollar volume.

3. This might not be CURRENT lawyers' fault. But it is certainly lawyers' fault by virtue of being legislators, judges, and advocates resulting in the system we DO have, which is nothing more than a series of rules and precedents.

Fix that or suggest how, and be our favorite lawyer.

But in the mean time, "What to you call 1000 lawyers on the bottom of the ocean?"

Rocketman

[Multimedia]

How DVD Studio Pro manage to sqeeze by and get no changes made? It still has lots of bugs to be fixed, updated template choices, etc. They could've done at least something to it, couldn't they? Really though, why did they leave that 1 app alone and not do anything at all to it, and then just throw it into this major new bundle? :confused:I wouldn't have a cow over this just yet. My speculation is that an update is in the works but won't be ready by next month when everything else will. So as others here have already posted, a free update to DVD SP 4.5 will likely be offered later this year when it's ready. We could be wrong. But it stands to reason this will probably be the way they bring it up to speed with the rest of the pack. :)

[CmdrLaForge]

I wouldn't have a cow over this just yet. My speculation is that an update is in the works but won't be ready by next month when everything else will. So as others here have already posted, a free update to DVD SP 4.5 will likely be offered later this year when it's ready. We could be wrong. But it stands to reason this will probably be the way they bring it up to speed with the rest of the pack. :)

I kind of hope so and there is definitely a good chance for it. Just ordered the new FCS2 :)

[P-Worm]

Well, I just plopped down the $500 for the upgrade. It looks like I will be starving for the next few weeks, but at least I'll be starving in beutiful 3D color space. :p

P-Worm

[katanna]

Will they upload a streaming video of the event? I would love to sit down and watch all of the cool new features (even if it isn't Steve himself).

Matthew

[Mr.Gadget]

It wont work becuase it says that it wont work with Intel ingegrated graphics.

Plus that kinds of software needs a Mac Pro. Not even a MBP can do some of those things unless they make them quad core with HUGE HDDs.

Not to mention that in the small print, Apple says they recommend 4GB RAM to work with uncompressed HD, which neither the Macbook nor the Macbook Pro can have... This is app very much aimed at the Mac Pro universe. It can take upwards of 60GB of drive space too. It is interesting that the CPU requirements aren't all that stringent - min 1.25GHz G4. That would be painful though!

[Mr.Gadget]

Will the academic version suffer any loss? I know they typically cannot upgrade, but other than that?

[arkmannj]

Will the academic version suffer any loss? I know they typically cannot upgrade, but other than that?

My experience in the past has been that the education/academic version is exactly the same as the commercial versions, with possible exception to licensing terms, and the startup screen for the apps says "Academic" or "Educational edition" (or something like that) on it.

To bad alot of education folks missed the opportunity for the cross-grade. It was a pleasent and unexpected surprise when I opened my Apple package for the cross-grade and saw it was the commercial version.

Does anyone know if we buy the commercial upgrade, if it will come with printed documentation ? (yes, call me old fashion but I still like hard copy books)
When I got the cross-grade (which as I recall was also an Upgrade for me) it was just electronic documentation on the install disks

[arkmannj]

... It is interesting that the CPU requirements aren't all that stringent - min 1.25GHz G4. That would be painful though!

Looks like my trusty Quicksilver duel 1GHZ G4 with 1.5GB Ram (Radeon 9800 Pro 128mb) may be seeing the end of its life in this capacity for me. Oddly I'm a bit sentimental about it
but I'm sure a Mac Pro will clear up that sentimentalism pretty quick :)

[pilotError]

Does anyone know if we buy the commercial upgrade, if it will come with printed documentation ?

According to the Apple Site:

• Printed and electronic documentation and tutorials

[bloodycape]

So no news on the next version of FCE?

[Pikemann Urge]

Does any one know the name of the very cool song used in the RED/Final Cut Promo video on the Final Cut studio web site?

It's a kind of electronic/piano/moby-kind of song but I'm pretty sure he isn't the artist.
It's Water from a Vine Leaf by William Orbit, featuring the voice of Beth Orton. One of my favourite pieces of music. I'm working on a music video right now using that as the audio track. Slow going but it's just for personal enjoyment - no deadlines equals procrastination!

The accent of the guy doing the voice-over comments on the on-line videos sounds like half-Australian, half-American. Those in-between accents are kind of a bit strange. Listen carefully and you can here the Australian pronunciation of some syllables and words.

What I love about Apple: everything they do (or most things!) is impeccable and entertaining at the same time. I have nothing to do with the film business (I like making home movies though) and yet I'm fascinated by this new software.

I wonder if still photographers can make use of FCS? I'm thinking of using Color for custom looks etc.

[crjeong]

My experience in the past has been that the education/academic version is exactly the same as the commercial versions, with possible exception to licensing terms, and the startup screen for the apps says "Academic" or "Educational edition" (or something like that) on it.

To bad alot of education folks missed the opportunity for the cross-grade. It was a pleasent and unexpected surprise when I opened my Apple package for the cross-grade and saw it was the commercial version.

Does anyone know if we buy the commercial upgrade, if it will come with printed documentation ? (yes, call me old fashion but I still like hard copy books)
When I got the cross-grade (which as I recall was also an Upgrade for me) it was just electronic documentation on the install disks

Do all Educational 5.1 versions have "Academic"/"Educational" written on the start up screens?

[Data]

The company i edit for did not choose Avid 2 years ago,damn ;-).

[Willis]

Have you guys seen the PowerPC chip inside the box? ;-) (on the video)

hahaha, oh yeah!

[Willis]

Did anyone else notice DVD Studio Pro didn't recieve an upgrade.

I was hoping for blu-ray support

I found this under Compressor 3

Top new features

• Work with H.264 encoding presets optimized for iPod and Apple TV.
• Output high-bit-rate video for HD DVD and Blu-ray media preparation.
• Enjoy greater creative control over your audio with filters and support for AC-3 and MP3 files.

dunno if thats any help :confused:

Will they upload a streaming video of the event? I would love to sit down and watch all of the cool new features (even if it isn't Steve himself).

Matthew

1) no there isnt.
2) read Engadet's coverage, it tells you there that there wasnt going to be a recording

[milo]

Has there been any mention if these new versions are 64 bit apps?

With 10.5 on the horizon (although delayed) it would seem a bit silly to do such a big upgrade but not be up to date with the upcoming OS. Anyone know?

[Pressure]

But in the mean time, "What to you call 1000 lawyers on the bottom of the ocean?"

Rocketman

A good start ...

[Cult Follower]

although I dont completely understand the concept the new video format looks cool.

[Rod Rod]

I found this under Compressor 3

Top new features

• Work with H.264 encoding presets optimized for iPod and Apple TV.
• Output high-bit-rate video for HD DVD and Blu-ray media preparation.
• Enjoy greater creative control over your audio with filters and support for AC-3 and MP3 files.

dunno if thats any help :confused:

That helps for "media preparation," which is a preliminary step in the process of making blue-laser video discs (BD and HD DVD). However, that doesn't help you author a blue-laster video disc within DVD Studio Pro. For that you'd need to take the prepared media over to something like Sonic Scenarist (http://www.sonic.com/products/professional/scenarist/features.aspx/bluray).

Hopefully we'll get a free update to DVDSP 4 which works with BD and HD DVD media. For now though, we can make HD DVDRs (which is HD DVD on red-laser DVDR).

[Rocketman]

http://images.apple.com/finalcutstudio/resources/white_papers/HD_Broadcast_Formats.pdf