WWDC 2007 Keynote Scheduled: Monday, June 11th 2007

[MacRumors]

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Apple's WWDC Pages (http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/schedules/monday_am.html) have been updated with a block set aside for the WWDC Keynote address.

The 2007 Worldwide Developers Conference Keynote will take place on Monday morning, June 11th 2007 and start at 9am Pacific. According to the published schedule, the keynote is blocked off for a lengthy 3 hours (9am - 12pm).

No official announcement has yet been made, so this may simply be a rough timeframe. In the past, Apple's keynotes have been given by Steve Jobs starting at 10 am Pacific (2005 (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/may/02wwdc.html), 2006 (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2006/jun/26wwdc.html)) but have only run approximately one and a half hours.

Apple has promised a "near final" beta copy of Leopard to developers at WWDC 2007.

MacRumors intends to provide full coverage of the WWDC keynote, but without media access, coverage can be challenging. If you are planning to attend the WWDC keynote, and interested in helping provide live updates to the mac community, please contact us (http://forums.macrumors.com/sendmessage.php).

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[AlBDamned]

This will hopefully be full of Mac stuff. Oh wait, the iPhone is being released.... :rolleyes:

[Freg3000]

Looks like Resolution Independence is ultra confirmed now:

http://www.eunisan.com/whatever/appleemail.htm

[TheBobcat]

Should I wait for the near-final Leopard beta before buying a new Mac?

[DMann]

Apple has promised a "near final" beta copy of Leopard to developers at WWDC 2007.

MacRumors intends to provide full coverage of the WWDC keynote, but without media access, coverage can be challenging. If you are planning to attend the WWDC keynote, and interested in helping provide live updates to the mac community, please contact us (http://forums.macrumors.com/sendmessage.php).

Wow, a Monday instead of Tuesday..... now that's a first! It will be great to see the beta version of Leopard with all the 'secret' features. With less than 2 months to go, let the countdown begin............

[applekid]

The RSS feed says WWDC 20097... MacRumors can see that deep into the future! :p

[dontmatter]

Three HOURS?? My oh my. I suppose this means leopard in detail, iphone, hardware, and possibly something else could all be possible in one event. Plenty of things are ready for an update.... let the speculation begin!

[povman]

yay, maybe they'll unleash the top secret features in Leper'd!

[roland.g]

55 days 11 hours 39 minutes...

[joachim]

Looks like Resolution Independence is ultra confirmed now:

http://www.eunisan.com/whatever/appleemail.htm

"We also can expect to see new, high-density Apple monitors with the release of Leopard to take advantage of this new technology."

So that means new monitors? Ack... and I was going to buy a 30" ACD just before WWDC.

[arn]

Looks like Resolution Independence is ultra confirmed now:

http://www.eunisan.com/whatever/appleemail.htm

first confirmed in october:
http://www.macrumors.com/2006/10/24/leopard-mac-os-x-10-5-screenshots-and-features/

arn

[ortuno2k]

Should I wait for the near-final Leopard beta before buying a new Mac?

It doesn't matter.
Beta, near beta, near final, a few months before shipping - doesn't matter.
If you want to get a (possibly) free upgrade to Leopard, wait until they announce its exact shipping date; I assume we'll know in June or some time after that.

Apple gave users a free copy of Tiger who bought Macs after Tiger's release was announced, so I'm guessing they'd do the same this time 'round.

If you're holding your Mac purchase on just Leopard, I'd say buy now. Tiger is still a solid OS and still has ways to go. Many people don't upgrade to new software right away - I'd like to wait 'till 10.5.2 or .3 to update, but I doubt I'll be able to resist.

[EngBrian]

Funnily enough I just checked the timing of the keynote as I was updating my budget (penciling in a macbook or Imac purchase). I only looked about 15-20 minutes ago and it was there. I guess I assumed this info had already been released so I wasn't surprised to see it on the WWDC page but apparently this is news.

[iMacZealot]

Holy crap! A 3 hour keynote? The WWDC05 one announcing the Intel switch wasn't even an hour!

What could they possibly have that would require three hours to talk about???

[bignumbers]

The keynote is usually open to the press, and not subject to non-disclosure.

It's all the stuff AFTER the keynote that's a no-no to reporters.

It would be amazing if there really were three hours of cool new stuff to show during the keynote, but I'll bet that's just a block of time for scheduling purposes.

I'm hoping the One More Thing will be "Everyone look under your seats - it's an iPhone just for you!" Ummm, yeah. While I'm dreaming, it'll include XCode for iPhone. And a quad-core 17" MacBook Pro. And HyperCard for OS X. (Just checking to see if anyone is still reading...)

[peestandingup]

If they're gonna tease us with Leopard AGAIN, they better damn well show us every aspect of it with details. They owe us THAT much for screwing up the release date for that phone.

And if iPhone is released around the same time, have a SEPARATE event for that or else it'll be Macworld all over again.

[boxandrew]

What are the odds that there won't be any special media events between now and then? Apple used to hold them so often!

[twoodcc]

This will hopefully be full of Mac stuff. Oh wait, the iPhone is being released.... :rolleyes:

yeah....surely they can fit some mac stuff in those 3 hours somewhere

[EngBrian]

Holy crap? A 3 hour keynote? The WWDC05 one announcing the Intel switch wasn't even an hour!

What could they possibly have that would require three hours to talk about???

Well if this is sarcastic than sorry I missed the sarcasm in text form. I don't have experience to say if they have ever had a 3 hour keynote. But it seems like there is lots of stuff they could announce. We already know that Leopard is going to be discussed. If the feature set is large than you could spend a lot of time on it maybe not three hours but...plus, personally, I would like to see imac refresh or some macbook stuff.

[Freg3000]

first confirmed in october:
http://www.macrumors.com/2006/10/24/leopard-mac-os-x-10-5-screenshots-and-features/

arn

Hence the ultra. :)

[icloud]

sweeeeeeeeeeeeet

you are 55 sleeps away

[p0intblank]

And it begins! :D

[iMacZealot]

Well if this is sarcastic than sorry I missed the sarcasm in text form. I don't have experience to say if they have ever had a 3 hour keynote. But it seems like there is lots of stuff they could announce. We already know that Leopard is going to be discussed. If the feature set is large than you could spend a lot of time on it maybe not three hours but...plus, personally, I would like to see imac refresh or some macbook stuff.

No, I wasn't sarcastic. I'm trying to figure out what'll take 3 hours.

>I wouldn't think they'd spend a lot of time on the iPhone. That would likely be a separate event.
>Perhaps an iPhone developer platform?
>They've already shown us a lot of Leopard, and unless if there are a ton of new features we don't know about, then this shouldn't take three hours.
>Mac Pro's: They've just been updated
>MacBook Pro's: It's possible, but it would seem a little early to be releasing Santa Rosa Mac Book Pro's.
>No iMacs, MacBooks, or Mac Mini's because this isn't that type of an event.

I just don't know what would take three hours.

[queshy]

Holy crap! A 3 hour keynote? The WWDC05 one announcing the Intel switch wasn't even an hour!

What could they possibly have that would require three hours to talk about???

Why the iPhone, of course!

Seriously thouhg, 3 hours is crazy! I can't wait!

[AvSRoCkCO1067]

I'm not sure it'll actually be 3 hours - but I'm hoping that Steve talks about iLife and iWork as well!

[Matthew Yohe]

Wow, a Monday instead of Tuesday..... now that's a first! It will be great to see the beta version of Leopard with all the 'secret' features. With less than 2 months to go, let the countdown begin............


Uh. A first? The past Keynotes Steve has done has been on the Monday of the event since it's a Monday - Friday convention...

[EngBrian]

No, I wasn't sarcastic. I'm trying to figure out what'll take 3 hours.

>I wouldn't think they'd spend a lot of time on the iPhone. That would likely be a separate event.
>Perhaps an iPhone developer platform?
>They've already shown us a lot of Leopard, and unless if there are a ton of new features we don't know about, then this shouldn't take three hours.
>Mac Pro's: They've just been updated
>MacBook Pro's: It's possible, but it would seem a little early to be releasing Santa Rosa Mac Book Pro's.
>No iMacs, MacBooks, or Mac Mini's because this isn't that type of an event.

I just don't know what would take three hours.

As has been said before 3 hours is prolly a scheduling thing just to cover. I would imagine any one person would go hoarse after speaking for 3 hours to a crowd.

It is a good point about the iMacs and macbooks since this is a pro-oriented conference. But if Macbook pro gets santa rosa or something else than it could trickle over to the macbook or iMac for that matter since it is a mobile platform.

[4God]

Well, Stevie spent over an hour on the iPhone at MacWorld.
I'm guessing that (obviously) there will be iPhone info, mega
Leopard discussion, a complete refresh/change of the Cinema
Displays, and probably a long overdue update to the iMac and Mini.
Not to mention a rehash of Final Cut Server(since it will be available
in the summer) and Final Cut Studio.

[iMacZealot]

As has been said before 3 hours is prolly a scheduling thing just to cover. I would imagine any one person would go hoarse after speaking for 3 hours to a crowd.

It is a good point about the iMacs and macbooks since this is a pro-oriented conference. But if Macbook pro gets santa rosa or something else than it could trickle over to the macbook or iMac for that matter since it is a mobile platform.

Still, I think it's rather early for that to come out and it just wouldn't be relevant for the iMacs and MacBooks to be updated, too. The MBP is a pro computer, but even the iMac got the Core2 before it. Still you never know.

iPhone developer platform would be relevant, cool, and fitting.

New Leopard features will probably come, but I wouldn't think they would be too much on the major side of the scale or else we would've known about it a year ago for the developers to prepare and all.

[iJawn108]

8-core xserves ;)

[justflie]

Among some of the things people mentioned, I'm personally waiting in the wings for some sort of MBP refresh (hopefully including better video card, larger HDD and higher res screen to boot). Annoying that it won't come with Leopard, but so be it.

[4God]

8-core xserves ;)

Ahhh yes, forgot about those.

[BayAreaMacFan]

3 hours isn't likely but possible:

Leopard new features/rehashes
iPhone
iWork and iLife '08 (I'm guessing they skip '07)
Restatement of NAB stuff
New Hardware

[SiliconAddict]

Should I wait for the near-final Leopard beta before buying a new Mac?

No. :rolleyes:


Holy crap! A 3 hour keynote? The WWDC05 one announcing the Intel switch wasn't even an hour!

What could they possibly have that would require three hours to talk about???


It takes 1 hour to get Jobs's RDF spun up, another hour to saturate people's cellular structure with the radiation from his RDF. That leaves 1 hours for the announcements and to get people to believe that the iPhone is what is delaying Leopard. :rolleyes: :P

PS- Watch for the lights in the surrounding neighborhood to flicker as he goes into hour 3.. ;)

[Erasmus]

OK. 3 hours.
An hour on Leopard, and all the secret features. A release date might be announced, but probably not.

Half an hour on iLife '08, which will be released immediately.

Quarter of an hour on new iPhone features. I mean, if they had to pull software engineers off Leopard for the iPhone, it makes sense to assume that there will be a few new features that couldn't be demonstrated at MWSF because they weren't ready. If not, it'll probably just be "Oh yeah, iPhone is now shipping".

Half an hour on how iTV is going, how iPod sales are going, how iTunes music store is going, etc. Maybe some new iPods? Probably not. Wrong place, but as if SJ really cares.

Half an hour on the new Mac Pro, with Stoakley-Seaburg, and better graphics card options. New screens to go with them, just a good res bump.

One more thing... New Santa Rosa Macbook Pros, faster CPUs, higher res LED backlit screens, Radeon HD 2600, more RAM, flash memory, etc.

Probably not in this order, but this is my vote.

[RedDragon870503]

Holy crap! A 3 hour keynote? The WWDC05 one announcing the Intel switch wasn't even an hour!

What could they possibly have that would require three hours to talk about???

ALLLL the stuff they've 'forgot' to mention so far this year!

[Doctor Q]

Steve often has other industry people giving portions of the keynote. Perhaps there's going to be more of that than usual.

All we know for now is that the event is at most 3 hours.

[iMacZealot]

Steve often has other industry people giving portions of the keynote. Perhaps there's going to be more of that than usual.

All we know for now is that the event is at most 3 hours.

Yeah, no kidding. Last year, Scott Forestall gave over half the Keynote! And at MWSF07, we saw Mr. Alabama brainwash our heads with the help of the Cingular Jack. Sheesh.

[zioxide]

OK. 3 hours.
An hour on Leopard, and all the secret features. A release date might be announced, but probably not.

Half an hour on iLife '08, which will be released immediately.

Quarter of an hour on new iPhone features. I mean, if they had to pull software engineers off Leopard for the iPhone, it makes sense to assume that there will be a few new features that couldn't be demonstrated at MWSF because they weren't ready. If not, it'll probably just be "Oh yeah, iPhone is now shipping".

Half an hour on how iTV is going, how iPod sales are going, how iTunes music store is going, etc. Maybe some new iPods? Probably not. Wrong place, but as if SJ really cares.

Half an hour on the new Mac Pro, with Stoakley-Seaburg, and better graphics card options. New screens to go with them, just a good res bump.

One more thing... New Santa Rosa Macbook Pros, faster CPUs, higher res LED backlit screens, Radeon HD 2600, more RAM, flash memory, etc.

Probably not in this order, but this is my vote.

Looks good, I made a couple changes:

The whole iPod, iTunes, :apple:TV, market share stuff at the beginning.

Then Leopard features. I bet they will give the Leopard release date. iLife 08 will be released simultaneously with Leopard, because it uses Leopard features.

iPhone will be talked about, hopefully only for a little while.

Updated Mac Pro & Cinema Displays

One more thing... Santa Rosa across the entire line. MBP, MB, iMac, Mac Mini

[Peace]

There sure would be a lot of happy Mac fans if this did last 3 hours and Apple released all this pent up backlog of rumored stuff we've been wishing for for a long,long time.

It's probably just a block set though.

[kitki83]

never mind realize a coupon expired.

[dashiel]

you guys do realize that leopard is still being released in june (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/01/18/apples_iphone_runs_mac_os_x_leopard___report.html) right? it's just you're going to have to buy a new computer (http://www.apple.com/iphone/) to run it.

[Project]

I am guessing iPhone software development will be semi opened up to 3rd parties.

[iMacZealot]

I am guessing iPhone software development will be semi opened up to 3rd parties.

My guess is that they will open a developer's platform for it, and they probably will spend a lot of time talking about it.

~*~*~*~*~

I love how all the bloggers and other cell related people complain that the iPhone won't have third party apps, but do you think Symbian, Windows Mobile, Danger OS, BlackBerry OS, or Palm OS had any third pary apps on Day One??? They also don't understand that Apple is a much more mysterious company than HTC for example, and that Apple may say one thing, but really will do the opposite later just to fool people.

Sorry, that didn't really have anything to do with anything, but It's been on my mind for a while. :)

[Erasmus]

Looks good, I made a couple changes:

The whole iPod, iTunes, :apple:TV, market share stuff at the beginning.

Then Leopard features. I bet they will give the Leopard release date. iLife 08 will be released simultaneously with Leopard, because it uses Leopard features.

iPhone will be talked about, hopefully only for a little while.

Updated Mac Pro & Cinema Displays

One more thing... Santa Rosa across the entire line. MBP, MB, iMac, Mac Mini

Nah, iLife '08 will be released at WWDC, because that means I'll get it with my SR MBP. Unless you can think of some other way for me to get iLife '08 free? I mean, I can probably get Leopard by joining Student ADC. So, if I can get a coupon with Leopard and iLife '08 when I buy the MBP, that would be awesome. But I just don't see it happening.

And we'll see about the MB, iMac and MM. Maybe they will all be released, but only the Mac Pro and Macbook Pro will get real SJ Keynote time.

[belovedmonster]

I would imagine any one person would go hoarse after speaking for 3 hours to a crowd.

Even Jobs? ;)

As for the time length....

In no particular order...

iPhone new features
iPhone features we already know about
Leapard Secret Features
Leopard features we already know about again
iMovie
iDVD
iPhoto
iWeb
Garageband
Pages
Keynote
Cells (or whatever its called)
Update on the Apple TV with a presentation from cue cards by some old movie exec
Update on the iTunes store and the 100,000,000th iPod being sold
New displays
New iMacs
New Mac Mini
New Macbook Pros
New Macbooks
Some super new product we never saw coming

[MacFan26]

Anyone know if they will still release the next version of XCode and Obj-C at the conference? or will this still only be officially released with Leopard?

[rw1979]

Throw in a demo of MS Office 2008 for Mac just for fun...

[MalcolmJID]

Three hours can only be a good thing. What time GMT is 9am Pacific btw? Is it 6pm?

[acslater017]

Three hours can only be a good thing. What time GMT is 9am Pacific btw? Is it 6pm?


Pacific is -8 GMT. 9AM = 5PM + 1 hr daylight savings time = 6 PM/18:00 in UK

[Erasmus]

Pacific is -8 GMT. 9AM = 5PM in UK

And like 2 AM in Australia...

[BobbyDigital]

I'm excited to see if they added any notable features to the iPhone. My current phone is held together by duct tape. No joke.

[jotadeo]

One more thing... New Santa Rosa Macbook Pros, faster CPUs, higher res LED backlit screens, Radeon HD 2600, more RAM, flash memory, etc.

hmmm...almost makes me want to wait for June. Nah, I'll just do what many have said in the plethora of "Should I wait or should I buy" threads/posts. I'll buy my MBP now and then sell it next year after the Penryn updates have been made (hopefully the MBPs will retain their value fairly well as their predecessors have up till now). At least I'll finally have a Mactop!!
jdo

(actually, I'm fishing for responses trying to convince me otherwise :p )

EDIT: Hey, where's my signature??? It should read...

(The Original) Mac Mini 1.42GHzPowerPC G4
1GB RAM 80Gb HD
ViewSonic PS790 CRT 19"
(soon to be Samsung941BW 19" Widescreen LCD $164.99 @ newegg.com)

[brettjohn]

And like 2 AM in Australia...

looks like a pot of coffee to keep me up for this ;)

[Killyp]

Hmmm that's on the day of one of my maths GCSE exams. What a distraction :(

[Sijmen]

So.. where's the widget? :confused: ;)

[matticus008]

Should I wait for the near-final Leopard beta before buying a new Mac?
It wouldn't do you any good. It's not like the beta will be released to the public for you to take advantage of it. If you want Leopard, you'll have to wait until September at the earliest (assuming it really does take until October to deliver).
As has been said before 3 hours is prolly a scheduling thing just to cover. I would imagine any one person would go hoarse after speaking for 3 hours to a crowd.
There will be other people present, along with a number of demos, like nearly any other WWDC keynote, so it won't be a straight run of Steve Jobs talking. The three-hour block is much bigger than the usual schedule (which includes a two-hour block). This probably means lots more demo time, or a particularly large number of announcements (or just a devious ploy to make people excited about the event). I'm inclined to believe it's a combination of the three.

[koobcamuk]

So.. where's the widget? :confused: ;)

yeh - i don't really use dashboard that much... please make it worth it.

[Max Payne]

2 hours is way too much. I agree with the guys who said it's a time slot.

Lets hope it will be a great day for the Mac Family.

[mark88]

Hopefully they realise that a lot of people have been disappointed this year and therefore they feel they have to put on a long mac keynote.

Although, given the last few keynotes it's probably best not to get too excited.

[Knox]

Pacific is -8 GMT. 9AM = 5PM + 1 hr daylight savings time = 6 PM/18:00 in UK

Remember that San Francisco is also in daylight savings, so it's actually -7 GMT in the summer. Timeanddate.com (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=6&day=11&year=2007&hour=9&min=0&sec=0&p1=224) gives the times for around the world.

[dante@sisna.com]

Looks like Resolution Independence is ultra confirmed now:

http://www.eunisan.com/whatever/appleemail.htm

Well, this is pretty HUGE.

If Apple can Add Print SWOP certification to the new Monitor needed to display this stuff and fine tune the gamut for broadcast video pros as well, then this new monitor is going to be the rage. Even if they can't stabilize the color to SWOP certification in the first monitor release it will still be a worthy buy --- can you imagine "images that resemble 175LPI Magazine printing?

I can.

I'll buy this monitor with Leopard even if I have to use it next to a standard Apple 23 or 30 older SWOP monitor for my print color critical work.

This will be a great evolution.

[Nym]

A side note: A while ago I heard some chat here about how the current display's of all Apple products were already capable of delivering a higher ppi than 72, that it was like the Wireless situation (meaning: it was already capable of something better but it needed to be activated with a firmware update). I don't know, maybe I'm wrong or just dreamt this, but c'mon, I bought a 24 Incher in November, it would be a shame to not be able to enjoy a higher pixel per inch rate. :)

Right now I couldn't care less about hardware upgrades because I'm not in the market for a computer :p still, I'm waiting to see the so called "secret features" about Leopard that Apple is holding so close and maybe some iLife, touchscreen iPods (yeah right) :D

Again, where's that widget?

[Erasmus]

A side note: A while ago I heard some chat here about how the current display's of all Apple products were already capable of delivering a higher ppi than 72, that it was like the Wireless situation (meaning: it was already capable of something better but it needed to be activated with a firmware update). I don't know, maybe I'm wrong or just dreamt this, but c'mon, I bought a 24 Incher in November, it would be a shame to not be able to enjoy a higher pixel per inch rate. :)

Right now I couldn't care less about hardware upgrades because I'm not in the market for a computer :p still, I'm waiting to see the so called "secret features" about Leopard that Apple is holding so close and maybe some iLife, touchscreen iPods (yeah right) :D

Again, where's that widget?

Resolution independence won't require a new monitor, it will just work better on a high res monitor, so you can't see the individual pixels.
And if you are trying to say that Apple's monitors are actually higher resolution than they advertise them, I say no way. Screens look the best running at their native resolution, and anything else just looks blurry. Running a screen at a lower res than it actually is would be a big no-no.

[mrparet]

you guys do realize that leopard is still being released in june (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/01/18/apples_iphone_runs_mac_os_x_leopard___report.html) right? it's just you're going to have to buy a new computer (http://www.apple.com/iphone/) to run it.

Apple Statement
iPhone has already passed several of its required certification tests and is on schedule to ship in late June as planned. We can’t wait until customers get their hands (and fingers) on it and experience what a revolutionary and magical product it is. However, iPhone contains the most sophisticated software ever shipped on a mobile device, and finishing it on time has not come without a price — we had to borrow some key software engineering and QA resources from our Mac OS X team, and as a result we will not be able to release Leopard at our Worldwide Developers Conference in early June as planned. While Leopard's features will be complete by then, we cannot deliver the quality release that we and our customers expect from us. We now plan to show our developers a near final version of Leopard at the conference, give them a beta copy to take home so they can do their final testing, and ship Leopard in October. We think it will be well worth the wait. Life often presents tradeoffs, and in this case we're sure we've made the right ones. [Apr 12, 2007]

[Erasmus]

Apple Statement
iPhone has already passed several of its required certification tests and is on schedule to ship in late June as planned. We can’t wait until customers get their hands (and fingers) on it and experience what a revolutionary and magical product it is. However, iPhone contains the most sophisticated software ever shipped on a mobile device, and finishing it on time has not come without a price — we had to borrow some key software engineering and QA resources from our Mac OS X team, and as a result we will not be able to release Leopard at our Worldwide Developers Conference in early June as planned. While Leopard's features will be complete by then, we cannot deliver the quality release that we and our customers expect from us. We now plan to show our developers a near final version of Leopard at the conference, give them a beta copy to take home so they can do their final testing, and ship Leopard in October. We think it will be well worth the wait. Life often presents tradeoffs, and in this case we're sure we've made the right ones. [Apr 12, 2007]

BOO!!! :mad:

(stupid bloody iPhone!)

[jellomizer]

I'm excited to see if they added any notable features to the iPhone. My current phone is held together by duct tape. No joke.

I wouldn't let the iPhone release deter your purchase of a phone if your current one is in bad condition. Apple engineers good products, but the first versions of new stuff usually has a lot of glitches that gets fixed in the next rev, and Apple will do very little to help you fix your current version. Warrantee and Apple care cover manufacturing problems. On Rev-1 products a lot of the problems are Engineering problems. I got a new phone about a month ago knowing the iPhone will be out soon. But I think Ill be much Happier if I got a new iPhone in 2 years (if the iPhone makes it)

[Karpfish]

has everyone forgotten about 6G iPods? That's what I want, I need more storage and my 60 giger is acting up.

[bignumbers]

Anyone know if they will still release the next version of XCode and Obj-C at the conference? or will this still only be officially released with Leopard?

I'll guess they'll wait for Leopard, but it's possible. By nature it exposes many 10.5 API's which will likely remain on non-disclosure until Leopard ships. The other question is whether the new XCode/ObjC features will require Leopard to run any compiled apps or if they'll release a 10.4.10 to do so. My guess is they will release a 10.4.10 (or something similar), not with all the APIs but at least a few, plus support for the new language setup.

[hvfsl]

>MacBook Pro's: It's possible, but it would seem a little early to be releasing Santa Rosa Mac Book Pro's.

I don't see why. Santa Rosa notebooks are meant to start shipping in late June. Apple was one of the first to have Core Duo laptops, so I am fulling expecting them to announce new MacBook Pros then (although they probably won't ship for a few weeks after the event).

[ortuno2k]

I'll be really pissed if that stupid phone takes up 75% of the time devoted to the keynote.:mad:
Looking forward to hearing about Leopard and the rest of the software suite. Also hopefully they release new Macs and iPods.

[bignumbers]

My guess is that they will open a developer's platform for it, and they probably will spend a lot of time talking about it.

~*~*~*~*~

I love how all the bloggers and other cell related people complain that the iPhone won't have third party apps, but do you think Symbian, Windows Mobile, Danger OS, BlackBerry OS, or Palm OS had any third pary apps on Day One??? They also don't understand that Apple is a much more mysterious company than HTC for example, and that Apple may say one thing, but really will do the opposite later just to fool people.

Sorry, that didn't really have anything to do with anything, but It's been on my mind for a while. :)

I can't speak for others, but Palm had third-party developers seriously in mind from day one. I bought a Palm Pilot 5000 shrink-wrapped with Codewarrior for Palm at a MacWorld essentially at the product's intro. Cost was equal or even a little less than the Palm Pilot alone. They recognized the need for third-party development and did quite a bit to help it along. And a little bonus - development was on Macs only for the first year or two.

If Steve spends more than a minute on the iPhone without announcing true development capability (not just widgets) he might seriously be boo'd. I'm not joking. That'll be a room full of developers. They want to write code.

[kontheur]

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.tuaw.com/media/2007/04/wwdc07mailing.png

[mags631]

...One more thing:

Apple is announcing today that it has completed its purchase of Dell. In this deal, we have agreed to:


Retain Michael Dell who will now work in our Support department supporting remaining Quadra 610 users who have the PC Compatibility Card.
Do the responsible thing and sell all of its assets.


Oh and look under your seats, there's a check for $4.78 from the sale -- which should be enough for a coke and a hot dog at the concession stand outside.

[MongoTheGeek]

Some thoughts.
Of course all attendees will get a copy of the feature complete buggy as hell beta. Apple may offer it for sale to the general public as a beta at that point like that did with 10.0

New monitors with higher resolution.

iPhones of course with perhaps the missing app. I doubt they will have a dev kit for it though.

4 cores in macbook pros. 4 cores standard in all the Mac Pros.

iLife leopard. New iCal, iMovie, frontrow, iTunes adds in the ability to rip DVD's to quicktime files or optionally extract video segments as h264.

iWork. Adds in spreadsheet and database application. Database app is a lightweight db like access. Also has ability to link into mySQL backend for shared data.

This is just my guesses. The longer keynote is understandable. We were cheated last year.

[whooleytoo]

I'm just looking at the invite "You. The Leopard Engineers. Together at WWDC."

The way things are looking at the moment, that sounds like a lot of us with just a spotty intern from Apple who started last week! :p

Call me cynical, but I just don't buy Apple's line. They're taking engineers off a major OS update, to work on a project that (presumably) depends on that OS? They moved from 680x0 to PowerPC, OS9 to OSX, they moved from PowerPC to Intel, launched a raft of titles including iLife, iWork and the pro apps,developed the iPod and iTMS but the iPhone is proving too much of a challenge? There were no delays to Jaguar, Panther or Tiger which were on much tighter deadlines, but with the extra time that Leopard has had they still are stretched?

To my knowledge, Apple have never done this before - delaying a major OS release by taking engineers off to work on a (dependant) hardware project.

[BiikeMike]

Well, Whatever it is that happens, It'll sure be interesting!

[Gump]

WAIT....near final beta?

Does that mean that it'll be an almost final version of Leopard in a final beta form?
Or does it mean that it'll be a very unfinished version of Leopard in an nearly finalized beta form?

Clear syntax is everything folks!! Someone clarify!

[uncompressed]

Some thoughts.
Of course all attendees will get a copy of the feature complete buggy as hell beta. Apple may offer it for sale to the general public as a beta at that point like that did with 10.0.

I don't think so... I mean, 10.5 is going to be revolutionary, no doubt, but... I think Apple has too much riding on Leopard right now to risk dropping a buggy version into the general public's hands, even if it is marketed as a beta.


4 cores in macbook pros.

I'm anxiously awaiting a SR MBP (need a new mac NOW, but... I'll suffer for a couple months to get SR)... and while I would cream my pants for a 4 core mac laptop... yeah. Yes! I can render HD video in a fraction of the time... and get 15, 20 minutes tops of battery life?

4 cores standard in all the Mac Pros..
Word.

[MongoTheGeek]

I'm anxiously awaiting a SR MBP (need a new mac NOW, but... I'll suffer for a couple months to get SR)... and while I would cream my pants for a 4 core mac laptop... yeah. Yes! I can render HD video in a fraction of the time... and get 15, 20 minutes tops of battery life?


Intel has a bunch of power saving stuff built in. You may only use 2 cores on battery or even 1. The others would be off. Plus it would be seriously underclocked. Power goes up by something around the cube of the clock speed. so you double the number of processors run then at 3/4 speed and have something faster that runs on less power.

[Squonk]

sweeeeeeeeeeeeet

you are 55 sleeps away

What about naps? :eek:

[abrooks]

A side note: A while ago I heard some chat here about how the current display's of all Apple products were already capable of delivering a higher ppi than 72

All current Apple displays are 100ppi

[abrooks]

To my knowledge, Apple have never done this before - delaying a major OS release by taking engineers off to work on a (dependant) hardware project.

You're correct, Apple have never openly delayed a product due to another product. Personally I think this is a good thing for both Leopard and the iPhone.

It's obvious why it is good for the iPhone but some believe this is bad for Leoaprd, I see it as a good thing. First of all Apple can spend a little bit more time getting it just right but most importantly developers will have a preview version well before the ship date. Meaning that when it ships most apps will already be good for Leopard.

[Shintocam]

What about naps? :eek:

Nah, it doesn't work that way. I've already had 55 naps since I started reading this thread......

[mrkramer]

4 cores in macbook pros. 4 cores standard in all the Mac Pros.


Well the Mac pros already have 4 cores standard. And what proccesor are people wanting to be put into the 4 cour Macbook Pro? as far as I know there is no 4 core notebook processor.

[Porchland]

It doesn't matter.
Beta, near beta, near final, a few months before shipping - doesn't matter.
If you want to get a (possibly) free upgrade to Leopard, wait until they announce its exact shipping date; I assume we'll know in June or some time after that.


I think we'll get a hard ship date for Leopard at the WWDC keynote. October 1 makes a lot of sense -- Apple often brings things out at the beginning of a quarter -- but it still seems like an awful long way off for a product that Apple had described as coming to market this spring. I'm hoping for a surprise earlier release date.

WWDC seems like an odd time for a Beatles/iPod/HD content event, but we're almost too close to WWDC for a major event.

[Poff]

yeh - i don't really use dashboard that much... please make it worth it.

Hey, Dashboard is great! I check tomorrows weather every evening.

Anyways, here's a countdown widget.

http://www.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/developer/wwdc2007countdowndashboardwidget.html

[network23]

My take on the Leopard delay is Apple was finding there were too many issues/bugs/unknowns with the "secret" features to do the release at-or-just-after WWDC. So Steve will do his Fantastical Magical Tour of Leopard's secret features just as he planned to do all along, but then will give the developers a near-release beta and three months to test it in "the wild" to give the Leopard developers time to work on the issues that might crop up.

[johnee]

actually, I thought it needed to be 4 hours.

they have to have time for the dancing monkeys, firebreathers, and butter carving contest (oh, and I heard bill gates will be chained inside a cage...)

[Sunrunner]

actually, I thought it needed to be 4 hours.

they have to have time for the dancing monkeys, firebreathers, and butter carving contest (oh, and I heard bill gates will be chained inside a cage...)

... best post Ive read all day. :D

[peharri]

No, I wasn't sarcastic. I'm trying to figure out what'll take 3 hours.

>I wouldn't think they'd spend a lot of time on the iPhone. That would likely be a separate event.
>Perhaps an iPhone developer platform?
>They've already shown us a lot of Leopard, and unless if there are a ton of new features we don't know about, then this shouldn't take three hours.
>Mac Pro's: They've just been updated
>MacBook Pro's: It's possible, but it would seem a little early to be releasing Santa Rosa Mac Book Pro's.
>No iMacs, MacBooks, or Mac Mini's because this isn't that type of an event.

I just don't know what would take three hours.

I don't think any one thing would take three hours, but in theory there's a lot of things to talk about.

Leopard itself is obviously a major update, and while it's been talked about before, it's quite possible there's a lot under the hood that's radical and will be worth spending time over.

Third party application support for the iPhone appears to be limited, but it's possible Apple will have some program to allow approved applications to be installed, and that may well mean a third party iPhone developers program.

AppleTV may also be ready to have some degree of third party developer support. Rumours have been flying about it being set up for game development, for example. The power of the thing is comparable to a Wii or original (IA) Xbox. The only thing it lacks is a decent controller.

There's no rule saying developers can't want iMacs. It's a consumer Mac but a very high end one. It's also possible, if unlikely, that something between the Mac mini and Mac Pro will be introduced. (No, the iMac is not such a beast, it's an entirely different line of computers aimed at a different market.)

It's possible that we'll see other lines of devices. The iPhone is interesting from the point of view that it may be the first of an entire line of pocketable computers, in the short term replacing the iPod (quite possibly under the iPod brand name.) Developers are going to need to know the details if Apple wants there to be third party support, so even if the iPhone is closed for now, I wouldn't count on iPhone-like-devices being closed in the same way.

There's a lot of things that may be talked about in WWDC, and it's not hard to see, if Apple is expecting to do a lot of hardware releases this year, the keynote being an hour longer than usual. The fact that not one but two entirely new platforms have been released this year (iPhone and AppleTV), albeit closed at the moment, is something that by itself should point at a lot of interesting revelations on the day.

Even if there's no open, no-phone, iPhone, or the games capabilities of the AppleTV have been over-rumored, think not just in terms of applications running on those platforms, but also where the Mac fits into the platforms, how the ecosystem of a cloud of Macs, iPhones, and AppleTVs will work.

Potentially it'll be some interesting stuff.

[a456]

Well, Stevie spent over an hour on the iPhone at MacWorld.
I'm guessing that (obviously) there will be iPhone info, mega
Leopard discussion, a complete refresh/change of the Cinema
Displays, and probably a long overdue update to the iMac and Mini.
Not to mention a rehash of Final Cut Server(since it will be available
in the summer) and Final Cut Studio.

+ live music, film extracts, fireworks, dancing girls, etc., etc.

[4God]

+ live music, film extracts, fireworks, dancing girls, etc., etc.

...dancing girls? :eek:

[scu]

After everyone is drooling over the secret features and the stock hits 110 he ends the speech with "One more thing, we have decided to split the stock.":D

[whooleytoo]

You're correct, Apple have never openly delayed a product due to another product. Personally I think this is a good thing for both Leopard and the iPhone.

It's obvious why it is good for the iPhone but some believe this is bad for Leoaprd, I see it as a good thing. First of all Apple can spend a little bit more time getting it just right but most importantly developers will have a preview version well before the ship date. Meaning that when it ships most apps will already be good for Leopard.

Whether it's good for the iPhone & Leopard depends a lot of whether you believe the reasons they've given for the delay! ;)

It's certainly good marketing for the iPhone. It emphasises both the importance of the project to Apple and the scale of the engineering feat in bringing it to the market. If anyone thought Apple was just testing the water with this device, think again. It's obvious they see it as an important new mobile computing platform.

The Leopard side of it is more murky. In a perverse way - you could argue it helps the project as (again) it emphasises the scale of the project, and their commitment to get it right rather than rush it to market; but anyway you look at it, taking developers off a project and delaying its release isn't going to help its image as an important OS release for Apple and users.

[shawnce]

All current Apple displays are 100ppi

Well depending on the display someplace between 98 and 110 last time I did the math.

[shawnce]

WAIT....near final beta?

Does that mean that it'll be an almost final version of Leopard in a final beta form?
Or does it mean that it'll be a very unfinished version of Leopard in an nearly finalized beta form?

Clear syntax is everything folks!! Someone clarify!

It means nearly feature complete which is normal what Apple means when something reaches beta status. Feature complete means all of the products shipping features are available but possibly with bugs, in other words they are not going to add more features after that point just fix bugs. Of course in reality some minor features will come and go after that point.

In other words developers file important API related defects NOW or you likely will be stuck with it in Leopard.

[peharri]

The lights dim, there is a hush over the auditorium. The spotlight comes on to show the Steve himself jogging up the steps and walking quickly to the center of the stage. As the applause fills the room, he looks down for a moment, touching the fingers of his hands together as if to pray, and then looks up, the applause subsiding

Jobs
Hello, and welcome to another Developers Conference. It's been another great year for Apple. We announced the iPhone, which I'm pleased to tell you is on track for release at the end of this month...

(the audience claps politely at each point)

Jobs (continuing)
we introduced the first 8 core Macintosh... and our new Macbooks are selling well.
And best of all, we just released Apple TV. It's a great way to watch high definition television, streamed over the Internet. You can watch movies, listen to your music, and more. And with that, I'd like you all to meet Peter Jackson to make a special announcement.

Peter Jackson walks on stage
Many of you are aware of my movies. The Lord of the Rings trilogy. King Kong. Erm. They were all hits. Now, I've just made a deal with Apple, and all my movies are available on iTunes, which means you can watch them on AppleTV.

The audience claps politely

Jobs
Thank you Peter. And to celebrate, we're actually going to watch some of his movies now. The unabridged version of the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Now, many of you have noticed that this keynote is scheduled to begin at 9am, and end at noon, but what a lot of people didn't seem to notice is that these are on different days. This is our first 27 hour keynote.

There are clanking noises as restraints attached to the chairs snap into position, trapping the WWDC attendees

Peter Jackson
Now, obviously you can't see all my movies in just 27 hours, so we're scheduling another keynote where you'll see King Kong, plus the fourteen hour long unabridged version I wanted to show in theaters but the studios wouldn't let me.

James Cameron appears from behind a curtain
...and I'll be showing my special, never before seen, Director's Cut of Titanic at the same keynote.

Al Gore walks on stage
...and I have a very special edition of An Inconvenient Truth to show which I'll be talking about at the end of this keynote.

Steve Jobs
...plus I'll show the latest "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" ads. They really are hilarious. That PC guy is so dumb. Huhhuhuh. So, anyway, on with the show.

The spotlight comes off, and to groans in the audience, the Lord of the Rings cycle begins.

Steve stands at the side of the stage and nods to his guests
Wow. This is, I think, the best keynote we've ever had, and I really mean that. We're demonstrating the best features of AppleTV, with the best movies. Two insanely great ideas, melded together. It "just works".

[dashiel]

BOO!!! :mad:
Apple Statement
iPhone has already passed several of its required certification tests and is on schedule to ship in late June as planned. We can’t wait until customers get their hands (and fingers) on it and experience what a revolutionary and magical product it is. However, iPhone contains the most sophisticated software ever shipped on a mobile device, and finishing it on time has not come without a price — we had to borrow some key software engineering and QA resources from our Mac OS X team, and as a result we will not be able to release Leopard at our Worldwide Developers Conference in early June as planned. While Leopard's features will be complete by then, we cannot deliver the quality release that we and our customers expect from us. We now plan to show our developers a near final version of Leopard at the conference, give them a beta copy to take home so they can do their final testing, and ship Leopard in October. We think it will be well worth the wait. Life often presents tradeoffs, and in this case we're sure we've made the right ones. [Apr 12, 2007]
(stupid bloody iPhone!)


what OS do you think the iphone is running? that's right leopard.

[05elstonc]

[QUOTE=peharri;3557113]The lights dim, there is a hush over the auditorium. The spotlight comes on to show the Steve himself jogging up the steps and walking quickly to the center of the stage. As the applause fills the room, he looks down for a moment, touching the fingers of his hands together as if to pray, and then looks up, the applause subsiding

SOOO funny. Actually laughed outloud

[whooleytoo]

what OS do you think the iphone is running? that's right leopard.

So why are they taking resources away from the Leopard development team? How does that help the iPhone?

[peharri]

So why are they taking resources away from the Leopard development team? How does that help the iPhone?

They're not. They're moving resources around so that OS X is fully working on the iPhone first, and then they'll concentrate on getting it to work fully on Macs.

While both Macs and the iPhone will be running "the same" operating system, it's not exactly an identical environment in which the two versions will be running, nor in the same configuration. They have entirely different UIs, different CPUs, and different roles. There are substantial code differences between them, even if the base is the same.

[whooleytoo]

They're not. They're moving resources around so that OS X is fully working on the iPhone first, and then they'll concentrate on getting it to work fully on Macs.

While both Macs and the iPhone will be running "the same" operating system, it's not exactly an identical environment in which the two versions will be running, nor in the same configuration. They have entirely different UIs, different CPUs, and different roles. There are substantial code differences between them, even if the base is the same.

Sure, I appreciate that. Apple has continuously had projects running in parallel like this, with a generic OS project and one or more hardware projects running concurrently with each having a slight branch of the OS code - then a subsequent reference OS release would roll these changes back into the main OS codebase. That's why Macs ship with machine-specific install disks, then a subsequent OS release will run on any released Mac.

However, this is new. I don't recall any instance where the project-specific OS was released ahead of the generic OS.

I don't buy the "iPhone is so huge, we needed extra resources to deliver all that it can". I think the most likely conclusion was Leopard was slipping, and was in danger of missing the iPhone's June release. So they gave up on trying to rush the generic Leopard to release and concentrated on getting just the iPhone branch out.

This worries me. I'm sure Leopard will be fine, but this schedule/resource juggling doesn't inspire me with confidence in iPhone OS 1.0. :o

[sjo]

My guess is that they will open a developer's platform for it, and they probably will spend a lot of time talking about it.

~*~*~*~*~

I love how all the bloggers and other cell related people complain that the iPhone won't have third party apps, but do you think Symbian, Windows Mobile, Danger OS, BlackBerry OS, or Palm OS had any third pary apps on Day One???

Short answer: Yes.

They also don't understand that Apple is a much more mysterious company than HTC for example, and that Apple may say one thing, but really will do the opposite later just to fool people.


Outside of RDF that is called lying ;)

[Nym]

Resolution independence won't require a new monitor, it will just work better on a high res monitor, so you can't see the individual pixels.
And if you are trying to say that Apple's monitors are actually higher resolution than they advertise them, I say no way. Screens look the best running at their native resolution, and anything else just looks blurry. Running a screen at a lower res than it actually is would be a big no-no.

No, I wasn't saying anything at all, I was just mumbling about a previous thread here on MacRumors which I don't even remember who, where or when it happened :)

Of course a display should be used at it's native resolution, but that was not my suggestion. I don't even know if this is possible but imagine this situation:

You have a screen with a native resolution of 1280 x 1024 (for instance), which has a concentration of 72 pixel per inch, that means that for every inch there are 72 pixels displayed, thus giving you the appearance of a "standard" display.
However, imagine that Leopard pushes that number over, let's say 100 ppi, you would have the same native resolution (1280 x 1024) but instead of having 72 pixels per every inch you would have 100, which would make text and graphics seem much crispier! I don't know if this makes sense or if it is even plausible but I feel that the "current" display's that we own are not "crispy" enough graphically and that the next step is to enhance the graphic quality of GUI's.

Like I said before, I'm just mumbling :D

[peharri]

However, this is new. I don't recall any instance where the project-specific OS was released ahead of the generic OS.


I think this is unprecedented though in that this isn't "the" generic OS. The generic OS you're talking about above is Mac OS X, not "OS X". The generic OS, Mac OS X, will never run on an iPhone.

There are three levels here. Darwin, some base packages common to iPhone OS X and Mac OS X, and the high levels, iPhone OS X and Mac OS X. The high levels diverge. Neither will ever exist in a generic form that runs on the other's hardware.

There's nothing in the recent announcement to suggest that Apple is cutting development of Darwin or the common base packages.

FWIW, ignoring the situation that the operating systems we're talking about are not comparable, the logic of putting together an OS for "all Macs" ahead of or behind putting one together for "some new piece of hardware" is different.

For new Macs, the important issue is getting them out the door with a tried and tested working operating system. You start with a mature, well tested, OS, and make only the modifications needed to get that OS running on the new Mac. At the end of the day, it's a Mac. It's supposed to work the same way that all the other Macs work.

For the iPhone, the situation is different. The iPhone is not intended to operate like a Mac. It needs the features Leopard brings. Therefore, it needs Leopard, whether it's tried and tested or not. Tiger just will not do. Tiger would need refactoring and major new enhancements added to support this.

If it didn't, they wouldn't be waiting for Leopard. Apple has released AppleTV with Tiger, proving that if the OS is capable, they'll use it over the "next big thing."

I'd hazard a guess that this is in part why the iPhone is causing a little strain at Apple at the moment. Not only is it a new piece of hardware that needs an entirely new support structure, but it's having to run an almost completely new operating system, that itself has its bugs and problems. Had iPhone been scheduled for next year, it could have been built upon the tried and tested Leopard platform, as AppleTV was with Tiger this year. But it wasn't, and Apple is essentially having to tie two huge projects together.

Needless to say, if they didn't need to do that, they wouldn't.

[phillipjfry]

...To my knowledge, Apple have never done this before - delaying a major OS release by taking engineers off to work on a (dependant) hardware project.

It is because Apple has never released such a product like the iPhone.

I think that the whole delay thing is being over exaggerated. Apple has a goal to make a dent in the phone industry, working with a major player like AT&T. Reputations are at stake as well as customer gains for AT&T. Resources are going to be pouring from both sides to make sure that this phone is VERY sucessful.
Not knowing much about Apple as a company myself, I wouldn't have guessed that they would need to borrow resources from one project to work on another. But that's just internal QA if you ask me (that is, if you ask :)).
Also, on another note, delaying can be one of the best things for an OS dev team (unless you're Microsoft...). This gives everyone a little more breathing room to make sure things are working good instead of getting something out there for people to tinker with and be mad at cause XYZ features don't work like they should; causing people to wait for a .1 release. By giving the team four more months, they can test stuff and maybe even add a few things. Having Leopard being discussed and not released on WWDC gives Apple some time to perfect and include more things into the OS that might make up for the October release. In 7 weeks we will finally hear of these secret features and from there will know whether or not the wait will be worth it. :)
You'll all see.

[BRLawyer]

Short answer: Yes.



Outside of RDF that is called lying ;)

Most of the focus will be on Leopard, with a few glimpses of other products here and there.

But there has NEVER been a 3-hour keynote before, apart from the glacial presentation given by Gil Amelio in 1996.

Unless Jobs decides to babble about the iPhone again, I am sure we're gonna have a good time there...ON VERRA!!! :rolleyes:

[05elstonc]

Does anyone have a link or photo to last years scheduled block of time? Was it scheduled 10am to 12pm? Just want to make sure they have not scheduled 3 hours in the past. I know last year started at 10am.

[whooleytoo]

I think this is unprecedented though in that this isn't "the" generic OS. The generic OS you're talking about above is Mac OS X, not "OS X". The generic OS, Mac OS X, will never run on an iPhone.

There are three levels here. Darwin, some base packages common to iPhone OS X and Mac OS X, and the high levels, iPhone OS X and Mac OS X. The high levels diverge. Neither will ever exist in a generic form that runs on the other's hardware.

There's nothing in the recent announcement to suggest that Apple is cutting development of Darwin or the common base packages.

FWIW, ignoring the situation that the operating systems we're talking about are not comparable, the logic of putting together an OS for "all Macs" ahead of or behind putting one together for "some new piece of hardware" is different.

For new Macs, the important issue is getting them out the door with a tried and tested working operating system. You start with a mature, well tested, OS, and make only the modifications needed to get that OS running on the new Mac. At the end of the day, it's a Mac. It's supposed to work the same way that all the other Macs work.

For the iPhone, the situation is different. The iPhone is not intended to operate like a Mac. It needs the features Leopard brings. Therefore, it needs Leopard, whether it's tried and tested or not. Tiger just will not do. Tiger would need refactoring and major new enhancements added to support this.

If it didn't, they wouldn't be waiting for Leopard. Apple has released AppleTV with Tiger, proving that if the OS is capable, they'll use it over the "next big thing."

I'd hazard a guess that this is in part why the iPhone is causing a little strain at Apple at the moment. Not only is it a new piece of hardware that needs an entirely new support structure, but it's having to run an almost completely new operating system, that itself has its bugs and problems. Had iPhone been scheduled for next year, it could have been built upon the tried and tested Leopard platform, as AppleTV was with Tiger this year. But it wasn't, and Apple is essentially having to tie two huge projects together.

Needless to say, if they didn't need to do that, they wouldn't.

I'm sure the branch of OSX on the iPhone and the generic OS differ greatly at the higher level, but they're not entirely different either. If the iPhone has a version of Safari, then it almost certainly is based upon WebKit. It has Cover Flow, it most likely has Core Animation. Playing music/vidoes means it has Quicktime. All of these frameworks require myriad other Cocoa frameworks for support - so the two OSs share a hell of a lot more than just Darwin.

While it'd be great to have a stable OS to work with on a new hardware project, that's not always the case. Very often the Mac hardware and OS projects run in parallel and the hardware project is very much dependant on that OS. If the OS slips its schedule, both do.

That's why I find it strange they're not waiting for Leopard, but pushing ahead with the iPhone OS branch. If there were problems with the iPhone development, then why not delay it, and release it simultaneously or just after the Leopard release when they could focus just on the iPhone?

I think the reason is the iPhone isn't the problem, Leopard is. And rather than delay both projects, they're taking the chance that they can still get the iPhone out on time. I think it's a big risk.

[Much Ado]

It's more likely the Keynote speech will be the usual 1.5 hours long, just with 90 minutes of "Oh, and one more thing" tagged on at the end.

[Peace]

Apple has updated their schedule.It now reads from 10AM to 11:30AM

[05elstonc]

From Engadget,

"Update: Apple called to let us know that there was a typo on the schedule page, and the keynote is actually 10-11:30AM -- so an hour and a half, not three hours. Somewhere Ryan just let out a huge sigh of relief. (Apple also mentioned Jobs wasn't guaranteed to present, but c'mon, he wouldn't really hold out on us like that, would he?)"

[c.joe.go]

now i would imagine that it would be quite easy for nearly all of the presentation to be on iphone and leopard features. new hardware?..... i would certainly expect hardware updates sooner now, wwdc looks to have lost some of its thunder.

we shall see.

[SiliconAddict]

I don't think so... I mean, 10.5 is going to be revolutionary, no doubt, but... Word.

Yah right. revolutionary. So far from what we've seen its an evolutionary update more then anything else. WWDC will reveal if those "top secret features" were top secret bullcrude or not.

People REALLY need to stop drinking the Kool-aid and stop giving Apple the benefit of the doubt. I long again realized that Jobs is the pinstripe-suit-straw-hat-wearing salesman who walks into town selling his magical elixir that will cure everything and promote global peace. All I can say at this point is talk is cheap Mr. Jobs. Show us the product.

[BRLawyer]

Apple has updated their schedule.It now reads from 10AM to 11:30AM

In other words, booooooring...15min of Leopard and 1:15h of iPhone...I am starting to feel that Apple is really leaving the Mac behind, just as it did with the Apple II...

[themacthinker]

Isn't this a sign that Apple has a lot of surprises for us coming up? Apple wouldn't be the kind to BS and waste time. This is double the usual keynote time.
Maybe it is time to expect the all new touchscreen ipods.... along with the iPhone.
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http://www.mostofmymac.com (http://www.mostofmymac.com)

This will hopefully be full of Mac stuff. Oh wait, the iPhone is being released.... :rolleyes:

[AvSRoCkCO1067]

Isn't this a sign that Apple has a lot of surprises for us coming up? Apple wouldn't be the kind to BS and waste time. This is double the usual keynote time.
Maybe it is time to expect the all new touchscreen ipods.... along with the iPhone.
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http://www.mostofmymac.com (http://www.mostofmymac.com)

They fixed the error - they Keynote will only last 1.5 hours long, as it always does.

[glennyboiwpg]

Ok So Apple delays leopard this week until october, but "promises" that in June we will be told about all of the "secret" features that have been promised.

I don't get it. If by june, you would be able to demo them... then why can't they tell us what they are now? Yes yes, I know the features are done enough to give us a blow by blow presentation on them, but why not just anounce them?

WHy would they do that?

Well when they delayed leopard for the iphone, they could have said, oh "one more thing" here are the secret features we were promising you.

IF they would have done that, everyone would have forgotten about the delay...

Thoughts?

[MongoTheGeek]

Ok So Apple delays leopard this week until october, but "promises" that in June we will be told about all of the "secret" features that have been promised.

I don't get it. If by june, you would be able to demo them... then why can't they tell us what they are now? Yes yes, I know the features are done enough to give us a blow by blow presentation on them, but why not just anounce them?

WHy would they do that?

Well when they delayed leopard for the iphone, they could have said, oh "one more thing" here are the secret features we were promising you.

IF they would have done that, everyone would have forgotten about the delay...

Thoughts?

Its Steve Jobs' idea of foreplay.

[glennyboiwpg]

Its Steve Jobs' idea of foreplay.

lol nice...

[Clive At Five]

Most of the focus will be on Leopard, with a few glimpses of other products here and there.

But there has NEVER been a 3-hour keynote before, apart from the glacial presentation given by Gil Amelio in 1996.

Unless Jobs decides to babble about the iPhone again, I am sure we're gonna have a good time there...ON VERRA!!!

In other words, booooooring...15min of Leopard and 1:15h of iPhone...I am starting to feel that Apple is really leaving the Mac behind, just as it did with the Apple II...

What, 3 hours long = sing Apple's praises, 1.5 hours long = Apple has abandoned the Mac? How does that make sense. Obviously Steve Jobs is going to talk about Leopard because,

A.1) WWDC: The 'D' stands for developer

A.2) The iPhone is not yet open for 3rd-party devs.

B.1) FCS is out

B.2) 8-core Mac Pro is out

B.3) There aren't any other impending products in the pipeline aimed at Devs

C.1) Apple is handing out betas... meaning SOMEthing will have to be said about Leopard.

C.2) S. Jobs has promised secret features -- whether that means anything or not, I don't know.

MacRumors readers never fail to confuse me with their negativity.

-Clive

[Dustman]

I would like to see the return of a cheap mini.. and the transition back to powerpc.. anyone else miss the one peice of hardware that kept macs different? dont take that the wrong way guys haha

[Clive At Five]

Ok So Apple delays leopard this week until october, but "promises" that in June we will be told about all of the "secret" features that have been promised.

I don't get it. If by june, you would be able to demo them... then why can't they tell us what they are now? Yes yes, I know the features are done enough to give us a blow by blow presentation on them, but why not just anounce them?

WHy would they do that?

Because you need a large block of time to display an OS's features which requires a press confrence or other media event. That not something you can just schedule any old day. It takes time and money.

WWDC is the perfect opportunity for Apple to do it. It's annual so it's expected. It saves Apple the hassle of scheduling extra fanfare. Plus if they didn't do it at WWDC, what would they? Nothing. FCP is out, 8-Core Pros are out, there isn't anything else a Dev would care about besides Leopard.

In fact a WWDC preview of Leopard makes perfect sense. I hope you see that now.

-Clive

[glennyboiwpg]

Because you need a large block of time to display an OS's features which requires a press confrence or other media event. That not something you can just schedule any old day. It takes time and money.

WWDC is the perfect opportunity for Apple to do it. It's annual so it's expected. It saves Apple the hassle of scheduling extra fanfare. Plus if they didn't do it at WWDC, what would they? Nothing. FCP is out, 8-Core Pros are out, there isn't anything else a Dev would care about besides Leopard.

In fact a WWDC preview of Leopard makes perfect sense. I hope you see that now.

-Clive


All they would have to do is update the website.... The current mac osx leopard sneek peek is a great page... just add more features.

and what would they talk about during WWDC? the IPHONE. There is some part of me, that is scared that the iphone will take over yet another keynote. Yeah yeah I know, the keynote is for developers, and the iphone isn't open to developers yet... but hey.. maybe thats when it will become open to developers?? Maybe SJ will announce some Iphone developers toolkit?

"but don't worry, more on leopard/ilife/iwork later"

[Clive At Five]

All they would have to do is update the website.... The current mac osx leopard sneek peek is a great page... just add more features.

I don't think it's as effective without seeing a complete demonstration. Yeah the 30-second clips are nice, but it's hard to get the big picture into things... like a lot of the times, the new features are integrated... the Mail/iCal ToDos and whatnot, for example. Plus if it's something Earth-Shattering, you know S.J. will want to show it first... just like everything else. Greedy bastard.

and what would they talk about during WWDC? the IPHONE. There is some part of me, that is scared that the iphone will take over yet another keynote.

I think S.J. knows that developers will boo him off the stage if he does even more than mention the iPhone... unless, as you say, he opens it up to Devs.

"but don't worry, more on leopard/ilife/iwork later"

Hey, remember when Amazon listed iLife and iWork on their website? Hehehe. That's amuzing, looking back. I really don't mind that much about either. I'm doing fine at this point. iWeb could use some help and I'd like a spreadsheet app, but otherwise I'm fine.

-Clive

[AidenShaw]

WWDC is the perfect opportunity for Apple to do it.

But why a *developer's* conference, where the focus is supposed to be on the geeks writing the code?

Wouldn't it make more sense to have something like a summer MacWorld event - focussed on users?

Maybe even, to think differently, have the summer MacWorld on the East coast - rather than yet another San Francisco event.

It's really a good idea - to have a summer/early fall MacWorld on the east coast. Boston would be perfect - a city on a human scale, much more pleasant (and cheaper) than one of the huge cities further south.

[shawnce]

I think S.J. knows that developers will boo him off the stage if he does even more than mention the iPhone... unless, as you say, he opens it up to Devs. Personally I hope Apple puts an iPhone under every seat at the Keynote like they did with iSight camera at an earlier WWDC :D ...of course I hope for that because I am going to WWDC 07.

[shawnce]

That's why I find it strange they're not waiting for Leopard, but pushing ahead with the iPhone OS branch. If there were problems with the iPhone development, then why not delay it, and release it simultaneously or just after the Leopard release when they could focus just on the iPhone? Simply because missing the iPhone release screws up their contractual agreements with AT&T, their chance to beat some of their competitors to market, and would waste some of the PR buzz currently existing around the iPhone. Leopard however is an upgrade to a well establish product line, one that can handle a delay without affecting contracts or much loss of a potential market (Tiger holds its own well enough against Vista).

[macFanDave]

they had to borrow senior speechwriters and slidemeisters for the iPhone project!

[Marble]

Boy, I know this is hysteric but we've been seeing a lot of "bait and switch" from Apple, even down to the 3 hour keynote getting our hopes up for something special and then being changed. :p

[DakotaGuy]

I do think the majority of the 1 1/2 hours will be spent on the iPhone. This is Steve's baby and this is where he wants to take the company. Leopard will be talked about and shown, however it will not be the focus. There might be some talk about a new version of iLife as well. As far as the whole iWork thing is concerned, I think Steve has realized that he cannot compete with Microsoft when it comes to an office suite. I am in no way a M$ fan, however Office for Mac is a great product. Isn't there a new version of Office right around the corner anyhow? If Apple does not have enough software engineers to get Leopard out this spring I highly doubt they are spending much time on iWork. I assume that a new iLife will come the same time as Leopard.

[Jookbox]

55 days 11 hours 39 minutes...

until my new macbook pro become outdated, lol

[Dustman]

I'm really getting bored of their hardware.. the macpro case has barely changed in the past 2 years.. iMac is still using the original g5 case.. only thinner.. and the only thing thats different about the mini and macbook/pros is the processor.

Edit: i guess the macbooks have changed a little bit.. the blackbook is rather attractive : ) more innovation apple, comeon. make us remember what design geniouses you are!

[peharri]

The fact it's really just an hour and a half is actually disappointing, that suggests there will not be a lot to talk about. I expect:

* Brief mention of the iPhone, possibly with a five minute demo. It's important enough to get a mention but, being closed, just isn't relevant to the WWDC
* A new/upgraded Mac or two. If I had to guess, I'd go for a revamp of the Macbook Pro line, a better look or something.
* Most of the focus on Leopard, including the previously unrevealed new features.

I'd like to think a handheld computer - a phoneless iPhone - might make an appearance, but I think Apple will actually want to establish the iPhone first before doing that. The rumoured "Wifi iPod" might be it, but unless it's programmable I don't expect it to show up at WWDC, and I don't think, thinking about it, Apple wants the version ones to be programmable. That will come later.

[topoftherock]

Ok, Im a newb, dont bash me for a semi-repeat of a question but really looking to you guys on this one.

I am in the market for a new Mac and I have a few questions.

1. Should I wait til after WWDC to make a jump. See if any new hardware is coming out ie, Blk iMac or Possibly Power Mac redesigns? Not to mention any shipping date on the new OS

2. In your opinions, and I know this is a very subjective question, but I'd like to hear it anyway. I want to go with Power Mac 8 Core with cinema display or 17inch Mac Book with Cinema. Ive never seen a Mac Book with the cinema display, any issues with video card or performance.

So wait or don't wait, that is the question. And which to go with? hahaha

Thanks guys.

[Clive At Five]

But why a *developer's* conference, where the focus is supposed to be on the geeks writing the code?

Wouldn't it make more sense to have something like a summer MacWorld event - focussed on users?

Maybe even, to think differently, have the summer MacWorld on the East coast - rather than yet another San Francisco event.

It's really a good idea - to have a summer/early fall MacWorld on the east coast. Boston would be perfect - a city on a human scale, much more pleasant (and cheaper) than one of the huge cities further south.

Is this a test? Didn't MacWorld Boston get canceled a few years ago because it wasn't viable for Apple anymore... just like sattellite feeds and all that nonsense? What's wrong with the annual Apple Expo Paris? Though there hasn't been much from apple in the past couple years, as far as I know, Apple is still present at the Expo...

*shrugs*

Either way, I think a developers confrence is more critical than a consumer confrence. Devs need to unite to get good ideas and bond over stuff. They deserve an event for all the hard work they do so that we, the consumer, have as great of a Mac experience as possible.

-Clive

[Cult Follower]

They must be having some other kind of event, because steve will never fit everything into that time slot.

[Clive At Five]

Ok, Im a newb, dont bash me for a semi-repeat of a question but really looking to you guys on this one.

I am in the market for a new Mac and I have a few questions.

1. Should I wait til after WWDC to make a jump. See if any new hardware is coming out ie, Blk iMac or Possibly Power Mac redesigns? Not to mention any shipping date on the new OS

2. In your opinions, and I know this is a very subjective question, but I'd like to hear it anyway. I want to go with Power Mac 8 Core with cinema display or 17inch Mac Book with Cinema. Ive never seen a Mac Book with the cinema display, any issues with video card or performance.

So wait or don't wait, that is the question. And which to go with? hahaha

Thanks guys.

First of all, probably not the right forum, but since it's loosely WWDC-based, I don't have any reason not to answer it.

Secondly, you should know that no new software will ship at WWDC, so if that's what you're looking for, you'll have to wait until October, it seems. As for hardware, I doubt Apple will release a black iMac since the current model seems to be approaching the end of its life. And seeing as how the Mac Pro got a BTO speed bumb, I doubt they'll go all out with a redesign any time soon. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, Apple typically updates the iMac first before refreshing the rest of the line. So if anything, there might be hardware tweaks, but nothing else.

Intel's Santa Rosa is coming in May. Nobody knows how quickly Apple will implement the technology into its laptop line, but those are starting to show age as well... I would guess that those will be updated before WWDC, but you guess as probably as good as mine.

Hope this helps.

-Clive

If you're thinking about getting the 8-core MacPro, it appears as though probably have ample fund to splurge now and but Leopard for a meas

[AidenShaw]

Is this a test? Didn't MacWorld Boston get canceled a few years ago because it wasn't viable for Apple anymore...

Not viable? LOL !


If the summer MacWorld wasn't viable, then why is Apple reforming WWDC into the summer MacWorld?

The Steve threw a hissy fit and backed out of MacWorld when IDC moved it back to Boston from New York - but now it's obvious that it did fulfill a need (The Steve's need to be on a stage - but still a need).

[matticus008]

Not viable? LOL !

If the summer MacWorld wasn't viable, then why is Apple reforming WWDC into the summer MacWorld?
Attendance at Boston was way, way, way down. It's not worth the effort to put on a whole separate show for a summer Macworld and to do WWDC as well, never mind the pointless expense of putting on a show on the East Coast for no apparent reason. The keynote isn't a developer event, and WWDC's not a summer Macworld.

Using the keynote at WWDC to present to the media and to fans makes sense. You've already got the venue, you've already moved in the infrastructure, and you've already got the audience.

WWDC is still developer-centric outside of the keynote. The keynote never was of any real value to developers anyway, so using it to launch new products and talk about features doesn't cause any sort of loss. Don't let the keynote fool you. WWDC is still all about the developers as soon as you step out of the room, which is immediately evident to those who have attended.

The WWDC keynote replaced the summer Macworld keynote. WWDC hasn't been reformed into anything.