Further Confirmations, and Safari 85?

[MacRumors]

Appleinsider.com posts (http://www.appleinsider.com/news_bytes.php) some NewsBytes which indicate that Safari 1.0 Beta 85 had been briefly sighted, as well as further confirmation that the PowerMac Photo posted (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/06/20030617132034.shtml) on Tuesday is indeed fake. MacRumors had also received multiple reports that this image was not real.

A somewhat more revealing description is offered by Appleinsider regarding case design -- describing the unit with a "aluminum mesh/honeycomb/cheesegrater panel" on the front of the machine instead of the vertical grate depicted in the photo.

Meanwhile, MacRumors can offer some confirmation that Apple will utilize the 'G5' name, as first reported by AppleInsider.

[ZildjianKX]

A new Safari beta? I thought it was final? Or are there still bugs?

[bobindashadows]

Interesting.... well I'm not sure how good a "cheese grater" panel would look, but I'll take anything we can get at this point. I wonder if we can get v85 on the net yet?

[michaelrjohnson]

Good good good. safari's developers are ramping up because of IE... But I think most of us knew that the pic was fake (after lengthy discussion)

[drastik]

ahh, G5. I can see the advertising now... a new G5 tower sitting on the runway in front of Steve's G5 (Gulftream 5 jet he got as a bonus recently, nicest private jet ever). SLogan should be something like: "Fast, Luxurious, Exclusive... and it even comes with a mouse."

[Veldek]

I still don't believe it will be called the G5, perhaps just because I like 970 better.

[moosecat]

All this pre-WWDC stuff makes me feel like I'm watching breaking news on CNN or something ... Every few minutes I do a quick circuit of the sites that might have something to say ... When something new pops up (especially on MR! :) ), I get all excited and anxious.

My god, what have I become?

[FailedTuring's]

"A somewhat more revealing description is offered by Appleinsider regarding case design -- describing the unit with a "aluminum mesh/honeycomb/cheesegrater panel" on the front of the machine instead of the vertical grate depicted in the photo."

The honeycomb will come pre-loaded with pupa-stage iPods, which will take about two weeks to hatch. Also, it's not a cheesegrater,it's a coffee grinder.

[sedarby]

Originally posted by moosecat
All this pre-WWDC stuff makes me feel like I'm watching breaking news on CNN or something ... Every few minutes I do a quick circuit of the sites that might have something to say ... When something new pops up (especially on MR! :) ), I get all excited and anxious.

My god, what have I become?

ADDICTED!

[trog]

Originally posted by moosecat
All this pre-WWDC stuff makes me feel like I'm watching breaking news on CNN or something ... Every few minutes I do a quick circuit of the sites that might have something to say ... When something new pops up (especially on MR! :) ), I get all excited and anxious.
Heh, yeah its been a pretty fun week for rumors. This site has been great, perhaps I should go click some banners. What I'm wondering now is... when was the last time Arn slept? ;)

[actripxl]

Thank God that pic was not the new G5, cause that was the ugliest thing I have seen in a really long time. I switched this past Dec. and am excited about the new chips, but Im just waiting till the PB get the G5 so I can sell of my iBook.

[Windowlicker]

970 sounds somewhat PCish methinks :Q

[emdezet]

ok, you all. i have the ultimate url to quote *drumroll*:

http://www.g5.com/

i know, it's incredible - the obviousness of it. photos, tech specs, it's all there. all the info on the g5 machines you could possibly want.

and as i understand it, they are shipping! right now!

[bertagert]

Originally posted by Macrumors

Meanwhile, MacRumors can offer some confirmation that Apple will utilize the 'G5' name, as first reported by AppleInsider.

Nice way to keep Mac Rumors safe. ;)

And thank goodness that photo thread is dead. It was up to 450 posts the last time I took a look. Plus, that was extremely fugly. My bet is Apple will have a good looking case that half the people here will say is ugly, the other half will like and in two months a quater of the people that didn't like it will like it.

Edited to stay on topic

[pinks]

[silly thought]: would be interesting if someone designed an integrated dock for the iPod that could occupy one of the spare drive bays in the PowerMac. You know, you plug the ipod in like a memory-stick in a Vaio desktop. Don't know what advantage it would have apart from reducing desk clutter? [/silly thought]

BTW, for private aeronautical luxury - got to be this (http://www.corporate-jetliner.com/home.html)

-Al

[torv]

After having seen the alleged photo of the "new G5", I feel I can say without equivocation that the photo is obviously fake. My reasoning: it's so damn ugly. It looks like some whacked out build-your-own computer you'd buy from some run down mini-mall in LA.

Apple with it's world class design team would never put out such an ugly box. Just look at the flat panel iMac or the iPod, both beautiful designs that are functional and inovative.

[bobindashadows]

Originally posted by pinks
[silly thought]: would be interesting if someone designed an integrated dock for the iPod that could occupy one of the spare drive bays in the PowerMac. You know, you plug the ipod in like a memory-stick in a Vaio desktop. Don't know what advantage it would have apart from reducing desk clutter? [/silly thought]

BTW, for private aeronautical luxury - got to be this (http://www.corporate-jetliner.com/home.html)

-Al

That's actually a great idea, i was wondering if I could do it for a car deck, like rip out the CD player and make it so you pop an iPod in, instead of like a casette ;-). Unfortunately, I had no idea how to make the buttons on the deck work on the iPod. Oh well.

[pinks]

Originally posted by bobindashadows
That's actually a great idea, i was wondering if I could do it for a car deck, like rip out the CD player and make it so you pop an iPod in, instead of like a casette ;-). Unfortunately, I had no idea how to make the buttons on the deck work on the iPod. Oh well.

Good call - an Apple branded dock directly connected to your car strero. It could be in the boot [trunk] like the cd-multichangers, but directly controlable from the radio unit (track names, etc.) Mmm.

Sorry, this is off-topic.

Al

[Cappy]

I guess I'll be the first to say it. I wish they would have chosen a new naming scheme than G5. I can understand why people will argue for keeping it but a new name would be more appropriate in my opinion.

[jamilecrire]

Originally posted by Veldek
I still don't believe it will be called the G5, perhaps just because I like 970 better.

The processor will be a 970 the system will be a G5 (assuming the rumors are correct). This is no different than Dell calling their systems by different names (ie., Dell Dimension 8100, etc).

G5 Tower, iMac G5, PowerBook G5, Motorola (Bye-bye).

[CmdrLaForge]

I think G5 is the best name for the new machines !

They actually do a good job when staying with the naming.

Its clear and sharp. I like that.

[iBot]

What, no garlic press bay?

[ryan]

Originally posted by Cappy
I guess I'll be the first to say it. I wish they would have chosen a new naming scheme than G5. I can understand why people will argue for keeping it but a new name would be more appropriate in my opinion.
No offense but you're hardly the first one to say it (unless you're just talking about this thread).

That said, as someone pointed out a couple of weeks back, sticking with the Gx naming scheme makes sense from a marketing standpoint because, 1: People are familiar with Gx naming scheme and 2: In some peoples eyes, G5 is one number higher than Intel's P4, so therefore it's better.

[Belly-laughs]

Originally posted by drastik
ahh, G5. I can see the advertising now... a new G5 tower sitting on the runway in front of Steve's G5 (Gulftream 5 jet he got as a bonus recently, nicest private jet ever). SLogan should be something like: "Fast, Luxurious, Exclusive... and it even comes with a mouse."

... a mouse that loves grated cheese!

When the PM G5/970 appears I bet it will be yet another great example of Apple´s industrial design knowledge and refined taste. Shame on the people who believed the crumbled photo to be the real thing! I for one thought excited PC users had creeped into these sacret chambers.

A cheese grater grille could be quite nice. It´s an intruiging texture and it will prevent people from hitting the computer without thinking twice.

Go Ive! Go!

[emdezet]

and while we are talking about comparisons:
how long will it take the copy-cats at microsoft to persuade intel to market the next pentium as a p5?

[kansast]

Just wondering what are the chances of it being named something completely different. It could be said that we are all pretty tired of the G3, G4 naming.. seeing how the G4 has been the top of the line, for SOOO LONG.

And 970, nothing really catchy about it.

Wonder if Apple could surprise us all with something completely different. ??

[davy the bunny]

You couldn't possibly expect Apple to think different?! I jest, but that would be interesting if they did come out with an entirely new naming scheme.

[bertagert]

Originally posted by emdezet
and while we are talking about comparisons:
how long will it take the copy-cats at microsoft to persuade intel to market the next pentium as a p5?

I don't think Microsoft has any pull on Intel. The P5 will come soon enough.

Whats the big deal with naming it G5? The computer is called a PowerMac. That beats "Dell 8100" or "Gateway 700XL" with a Pentium 4 3.06 Ghz.

Apple Owner:
What system do you have? " A Power Mac G5 2.0 Ghz".

PC Owner:
What system do you have? "A Gateway 700XL P4 3.06 GHZ".
Whats the difference between that and a 700X?

Apple makes it easy to remember and straight to the point. The G5 sounds find to me.

[MacViolinist]

why don't they just call it the G-Spot and get it over with

[GetSome681]

Originally posted by emdezet
and while we are talking about comparisons:
how long will it take the copy-cats at microsoft to persuade intel to market the next pentium as a p5?

lol intel will call their chip whatever the heck they want. Them calling Prescott the P5 isn't copying apple in any real way.

[O.K.]

Originally posted by moosecat
All this pre-WWDC stuff makes me feel like I'm watching breaking news on CNN or something ... Every few minutes I do a quick circuit of the sites that might have something to say ... When something new pops up (especially on MR! :) ), I get all excited and anxious.

My god, what have I become?

It is breaking news.
Apple is making history.
And we are part of it.

[MacsRgr8]

Originally posted by O.K.
It is breaking news.
Apple is making history.
And we are part of it.

This needed to be quoted.

[k2k koos]

Macrumors can now acknowledge tha tit''s going to be G5, what about that page 2 report that claimed a description of the machine, after a box was opened in Germany, calling it the Power Macintosh 970?
So what about the rest of the things mentioned there, not quite right either then?...

We'll see on monday!

[fabsgwu]

Originally posted by emdezet
and while we are talking about comparisons:
how long will it take the copy-cats at microsoft to persuade intel to market the next pentium as a p5?

I'm guessing Bill will just cut to the chase and have Intel call it the P6 :rolleyes:

[Pancake]

I'm not a fan of G5 and P5 sounding so similar. Someone not familar with a mac could easily get confused. I think the new machines should be called the PowerMac Tron. That way, when Apple rreleases there LightCycle for personal tranport it will all fit together.

I'm having a hard time visualizing the whole chees-grater honeycomb thing, but I trust Ives.

[jimthorn]

Originally posted by pinks
[silly thought]: would be interesting if someone designed an integrated dock for the iPod that could occupy one of the spare drive bays in the PowerMac. You know, you plug the ipod in like a memory-stick in a Vaio desktop. Don't know what advantage it would have apart from reducing desk clutter? [/silly thought]

I don't think that's silly. That would be a great feature on the new PowerBooks. I like the idea of "plugging" the iPod into other devices.

[Veldek]

Originally posted by k2k koos
Macrumors can now acknowledge tha tit''s going to be G5, what about that page 2 report that claimed a description of the machine, after a box was opened in Germany, calling it the Power Macintosh 970?
So what about the rest of the things mentioned there, not quite right either then?...

This is one reason, why I hope it is called 970, because I liked the description and hope it was true. Would be a lot better than this ugly photo thing.

[Frobozz]

Originally posted by MacViolinist
why don't they just call it the G-Spot and get it over with

I think the "G-Spot" should be an Informercial about the G5's, hosted by Jobs, and cohosted by James Brown and Tony Robbins.

You'd have no choice but to feel good about spending your cash.

[erockerboy]

Originally posted by iBot
What, no garlic press bay? :D:D:D:D:D

Yeah.... and while we're at it, how about an integrated cork puller?

I can see it now: an Apple-branded line of kitchen accessories centered around the new PastaMac G5, "lifestyle hub" of your digital kitchen.

[gothamac]

If someone threw out a handful of PC names with their numbered models (i.e., gateway 700 Dell 8100) I wouldn't' have the foggiest idea which was faster. Even a PC idiot can figure out a G5 is faster than a G4. Keep it simple.

[MacBoy88]

Originally posted by ryan
No offense but you're hardly the first one to say it (unless you're just talking about this thread).

That said, as someone pointed out a couple of weeks back, sticking with the Gx naming scheme makes sense from a marketing standpoint because, 1: People are familiar with Gx naming scheme and 2: In some peoples eyes, G5 is one number higher than Intel's P4, so therefore it's better.

To add to what ryan said, Apple should name the "Gobi" chip that they are going to use in the iBook the "G5". And the new "970" the "G6"

Because it is going to look dumb with the iBooks G3 and the new computers with a G5.

Plus Apple could say Look We have a "G6" Windoze people only have a "P4"

[gotohamish]

Originally posted by Veldek
I still don't believe it will be called the G5, perhaps just because I like 970 better.

The problem with 970 is that they're totally dependant on using the IBM naming for the machines, and by keeping G5 (a simple number, but still with room to grow), they are not held to who makes the chips, or what the chips are called.

H

[gotohamish]

Originally posted by MacBoy88
To add to what ryan said, Apple should name the "Gobi" chip that they are going to use in the iBook the "G5". And the new "970" the "G6"

Because it is going to look dumb with the iBooks G3 and the new computers with a G5.

Plus Apple could say Look We have a "G6" Windoze people only have a "P4"

Good point.

[gotohamish]

Originally posted by MacViolinist
why don't they just call it the G-Spot and get it over with

Because, apparently most men wouldn't be able to find the little button, to... you know... turn it on...;)

[paulypants]

:p I am sooooooooo glad that the pic that was posted
the other day is NOT the new powermac--I haven't been
able to sleep right ever since seeing that thing--ugly it was!

[zuggerat]

it would be really hot if the new PowerMac looked like this

[waterbouy]

That sure is a pretty design. It works well with the current displays too.

I wonder how close you are...

[solvs]

TechTV won't be covering the event, and no QT stream, which makes me nervous. But if any of this is true, I think I'll be happy. I too think 970 is better, but G5 does makes sense marketing-wise. I wonder, though, if Safari 1.0 will be 10.3 only?

Originally posted by trog
What I'm wondering now is... when was the last time Arn slept?

I was wondering that, too.

[RBMaraman]

After hearing people complain about the G5 name, I decided I should toss in my 2 cents.

Why would Apple choose a different name for the processor? They've spent so much time marketing the G3 and G4. It would be stupid to call the machine anything other than G5. That would be like Intel saying, "We've had the Pentium 1, 2, 3, and 4. Now, instead of calling it the Pentium 5 and making it easy for people to distinguish a difference, we're going to call the chip the Intel CompuAmazing 94576 Processor!" Apple needs to stick with a simple, easy to market name. G5 is that name.

Personally, I think PowerMac 970 sounds like some crappy PC name. PowerMac G5 sounds prestigious to me.

[RBMaraman]

Originally posted by solvs
I wonder, though, if Safari 1.0 will be 10.3 only?

No way. Apple wouldn't leave Jaguar users with an unfinished beta app. They wouldn't even have allowed downloadable beta's if the app was going to be Panther only.

[Dont Hurt Me]

That is beautiful and this is the kind of thing we should see from apple, now who ever has the real pictures please post. enough of all the crappy looking macs. Zugg you got the best looking mac i have seen. where can i buy?

[Sublime]

Are you kidding me... there will be no webcast?
:mad:

[iBot]

Naive question, I know, but:

Does anyone know what the "G" in Apple's PowerPC nomenclature means? I recently saw it defined somewhere (can't remember exactly where) as "Generation," as in G5=Generation 5 PowerPC chip.

Is that correct? If so, it does make a lot of sense for Apple to stick to the G-series naming convention.

[ginoledesma]

I wouldn't mind sticking with the Gx naming scheme. If the G5 does come out and so does the P5, I hadly see there's any difficulty in remembering which is which as is the case nowadays (G4-P4-Athlon-whatever). PC users will know what you're referring to, and new buyers will only know about a 'Mac' and a 'PC'. If someone says [sometime in the near(?) future], "is this G5 similar to this P5 thing?", maybe the sales person could just say "yeah, only a whole lot better." ;)

But one thing that has crossed my mind, though... Most of the PowerPC970-related rumors/news/whatnot seem to be focused on the introduction of a new PowerMac. But didn't Apple just tout this year as "the year of the notebook" (http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/1565701)? Jobs is even quoted as saying "Many users are going to wonder why they even need a desktop computer anymore."

I wonder what impact any mention of G5-based *books will have on newbuyers of the Ti-/Al-Books, or what it could do to sales if it were only a hint/introduction.

[Sun Baked]

G5 seems like a decent compromise that wouldn't confuse a lot of people.

Though a tad more diversity in the model numbers would help.

----

Originally posted by MacViolinist
why don't they just call it the G-Spot and get it over with If you do that you'd probably be eliminating 90-99% of the male customers (ie, they still wouldn't be able to find it.)

[cliffardo2001]

Originally posted by Windowlicker
970 sounds somewhat PCish methinks :Q

I don't think it would be Steve Jobs' style to release a product that had such a cumbersome name. While G5 sounds a little ridiculous, I would most certainly want to say "I got the new G5 today" rather than "I got the new Apple PC970." Woudln't you? And maybe Apple will find some other characteristically easy product name.

[Ashami]

The Apple Phoenix 970

Back from the grave, baby!

[zuggerat]

That is beautiful and this is the kind of thing we should see from apple, now who ever has the real pictures please post. enough of all the crappy looking macs. Zugg you got the best looking mac i have seen. where can i buy?

make all checks payable to zuggerat at account number th28464726482v847 at HSBC

[AidenShaw]

Originally posted by fabsgwu
I'm guessing Bill will just cut to the chase and have Intel call it the P6 :rolleyes:

The Pentium Pro, Pentium II and Pentium III were the P6. Check out the codenames for Intel architectures....

[Angelus520]

Wow! Now THAT'S a beauty. Where did you doctor that up at? That would be sweet.

And as for the G5, I almost bought one tonight. Seriously. Except it's made by Canon. It's the Canon Powershot G5 digicam - the top of the line Powershot that was just introduced a few weeks ago. Seems they skipped the G4 and went from the Powershot G3 to the G5. Hmmm....

It seems like Apple and Canon are pretty tight so I wonder how Canon got onto the Gx naming sequence. Anyone know?

[Angelus520]

Here's what Canon's G5 looks like. Sorry for being slightly off topic. I just heard about this camera yesterday and thought the naming was suspiciously similar to our beloved Apple.

[rjstanford]

Originally posted by Angelus520
And as for the G5, I almost bought one tonight. Seriously. Except it's made by Canon. It's the Canon Powershot G5 digicam - the top of the line Powershot that was just introduced a few weeks ago.Not a bad choice -- I've had the 4 megapixel version for a couple of years now, and haven't ever regretted the purchase.

To add a little fuel in the powermac vs. powerbook debate (although the powermacs seem a 97% cert by now), has anyone noticed that the iPod software update has taken the place of the 12/15 inch powerbook price cuts on the front page? This could mean one (or more) of three things:[list=1] The price cuts are old news
The stocks of 12 and 15 inch powerbooks are finally close to gone (hmm, updates a-coming?)
Apple just didn't want any G4 hardware on its front page ( :) ? )
(most likely) There are only four callout boxes, and something had to go
[/list=1]Ah, the joys of the conspiracy theorist...

-Richard

[Aciddan]

Originally posted by ginoledesma
I wonder what impact any mention of G5-based *books will have on newbuyers of the Ti-/Al-Books, or what it could do to sales if it were only a hint/introduction.

I've already emailed my local Apple Retailer and I'm 95% the way there with convincing my wife that I can get a new 17" Powerbook [970/G5/Compumazing 95654] mid-July...

This is the year of the laptop certainly:- of the dozen people I know who have macs - only one is a desktop G4 - and ALL of them have bought their iBooks and Powerbooks in the last 18 months. 11 of them are first-time mac users (like me).

these people are in no particular niche market either which is what I see as a big indicator that Apple is aiming right at the market (always room for improvement tho).

All the people I know are looking for desktop replacement lappys (be they PC or Mac) - so when it comes time to lay down my cash - I want a lappy that is the equivalent of the desktops and not using the older tech.

I think it can only damage sales if there is no 'G5' in the lappys because everyone will wait until there is... (I know I will be if the desktop/lappy divide is too great)...

I'd be tempted by a 1.6 Ghz Albook or a dual 17"... but I think the 970 would be my preferred option ;)

-- Dan "Money Burning hole in Pocket" :D

[ouketii]

i think it would be strange to have g3 ibook and g5 powermac. intel doesn't put out pentium 2 along with it's p4. even pc laptops use the same procs as desktops (p4, p4-m).

i think apple ought to bump up ibooks along with the powermacs and, um, powerbooks, and while theyre at it, eh throw in new imacs and emacs and oh don't forget the xserve. speakign of that, apple would not have faster procs in their consumer desktops than the xserves. if new chip, i expect new xserve.

kidding about redoing the whole catalogue, but, uh, would be nice. further addign to powermac rumors, i hear it has a Coffee Mate built in with the cheese grater - for those long final cut sessions.