First Photos from Apple iPhone?

[MacRumors]

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An unusual story has popped up on MobileGuerilla (http://www.mobileguerilla.com/articles/2007/04/28/first-pictures-taken-with-apple-iphone.php) claiming to have found the first photos from an Apple iPhone on the web.

The search method seemed rather primitive... they simply searched for "taken with an Apple iPhone" on Google and found a set of Flickr images (now removed) tagged with the phrase. The phrase is automatically generated by Flickr based on the EXIF data from the camera itself.

Now, this alone is certainly not proof that the images were necessarily taken by an Apple iPhone, The images where then set to private and then deleted from the Flickr account. Again, this alone would not be particularly convincing, however, based on publicly available evidence, it's clear that the photos came from someone in the position to have access to an iPhone.

As a result, it appears very likely the photos are authentic.

Images: http://www.macrumors.com/2007/04/29/first-photos-from-apple-iphone/

[ThunderLounge]

If legit, they're not bad for a phone.

[dornoforpyros]

lol stalking much guys? This is kinda creepy

[FF_productions]

She? This person has facial hair.
http://images.macrumors.com/article/2007/04/29/473537926ee73e03921oqh0_300.jpg

She took the pictures right?

[Shanesan]

Nice pictures. Much better than most camera phones.

[spork183]

I'm so excited I can hardly contain myself. The first, real pictures. Boy, we'll never see this again. My life is now complete. I've seen the first real pictures taken with an iphone in the wild...

[mrwilly123]

Bigger versions...don't know why these aren't in the story.

http://images.macrumors.com/article/2007/04/29/473537926ee73e03921oqh0.jpg

http://images.macrumors.com/article/2007/04/29/apple-iphone-camera-pic2.jpg

[arn]

Bigger versions...don't know why these aren't in the story.

click on the thumbs in the story.

arn

[mrwilly123]

click on the thumbs in the story.

arn

Doesn't work in Safari (for me at least)...

[TheBobcat]

Steve will find out who this person is, and how they are connected to the person that actually works at Apple.

Then, their dog will be in pieces on their porch.

The project manager will get into his car to inform the police, at which point the Mac death (duh-duh-duuuuuh!) chime sounds on the radio system, and the car promptly explodes.

[Teddy's]

She? This person has facial hair.
http://images.macrumors.com/article/2007/04/29/473537926ee73e03921oqh0_300.jpg

She took the pictures right?

It's Richard D. James (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_D_James)

[dante@sisna.com]

If those photos are legit, and I suspect they are, then they are great for a phone camera.

My Blackberry pearl takes terrible pictures and not due to it's 1.3 megapixel resolution, but due to terrible optics an electronics.

This alone makes an iPhone worth it for me.

3 month old Pearl for sale on Ebay Cheap in 6 weeks.

[Mammoth]

Well noise levels are lower than comparing 2MP cameras. :D

[yzp]

She?

haha right!

I also thought it wass a she :p...

maybe she is a shemale? who knows...! :apple:

[levitynyc]

who gives a ****? This should be page 2 stuff

[mhouse]

If this turns out to be real then someone is going to get fired Monday. Even if neither of the people in the photos are connected to Apple directly, someone will know who they are and tie them back to someone.

Is it really worth getting someone canned to get a rumor?

[donlphi]

iTOAST

Enjoy your last meal! :(

[zv470]

Rotated 90 degrees what the...??

.....when I view the pic of "the guy eating toast" in Preview.app it rotates it the right way up... what the? Does the iPhone record ORIENTATION information into the image?

[nagromme]

I don't know why, but this story is making me laugh uncontrollably.

What a way to achieve fame in the technology world.

Rotate 90 Degrees what??

when i view the image in Preview.app it rotates it the right way up... what the? Does the iPhone record ORIENTATION information into the image?

That would be a really cool use of the orientation sensors :)

[AaronICT]

Rotate 90 Degrees what??

when i view the image in Preview.app it rotates it the right way up... what the? Does the iPhone record ORIENTATION information into the image?

Why not? My four year-old Kodak does.

[Leareth]

I still dont get what the hype is all about?
the iphone is neat but not like it is going to change the world the second it comes out.
We know it exists, we know roughly what it can do.

Question is can it do well?

[Small White Car]

Rotated 90 degrees what the...??

.....when I view the pic of "the guy eating toast" in Preview.app it rotates it the right way up... what the? Does the iPhone record ORIENTATION information into the image?

Interesting.

Both Preview, Photoshop CS1, and iPhoto do this. The web browsers I tried don't.

Since CS1 is doing it than this feature is either something that's been out there for a few years now or you and I are just crazy.

Does anyone know?

[nagromme]

Double post somehow

[Some_Big_Spoon]

Don't quote me, but I believe that's BJ's restaurant next to the Apple Campus.

[nagromme]

I still dont get what the hype is all about?
the iphone is neat but not like it is going to change the world the second it comes out.
We know it exists, we know roughly what it can do.

Question is can it do well?

"can it do well?" is exactly why example photos would be interesting :)

Don't quote me, but I believe that's BJ's restaurant next to the Apple Campus.

I'm guessing Steve the pescetarian doesn't order the "Quarter Cow" much.

[LimeiBook86]

This is very interesting. If it's true that's a good thing, the photos look very nice for a camera in a phone. :) :D

[jsnuff1]

If this turns out to be real then someone is going to get fired Monday. Even if neither of the people in the photos are connected to Apple directly, someone will know who they are and tie them back to someone.

Is it really worth getting someone canned to get a rumor?

are you serious? This person deserves exactly what he gets. Im sure this guy has signed more than one or two NDA's that probably stated doing something like this was against his own interests, and on top of that he took the pictures in public with an unreleased product AND posted them on a PUBLIC image hosting server. I hope these pics are not legit or else I would be concerned about the iphone considering this is a guy working on it :p

[zv470]

doh... i thought the orientation feature was something new.

Found this by a quick google...
http://www.impulseadventure.com/photo/exif-orientation.html

[Small White Car]

Question is can it do well?

This answers your question. Yes, it does photos well. We didn't know that before, now we do.

To everyone else saying "so what?" well, learning something you didn't know before is the definition of news. I don't know what else to say to you.

I still dont get what the hype is all about?

You put a question in your post...this news answered it.

What else is there to "get?"

[Sandfleaz]

Huge yawn!

[GorillaPaws]

Assuming it's true, I'm very impressed with the quality considering it's a phone. This really may be the digital swiss army knife I've been waiting for. It sure would be nice to not have to bring my camera around with me except for times when I know I'll want the higher quality pics (like if I went hiking in the mountains or something).

[Poff]

Resolution is 1600*1200, which makes for 2mp. Noise levels weren't bad at all. I could see myself getting this image on paper, but we'll have to wait till we see more pictures if all the photos stand out like this.. :)

Macrumors implementation of big piccies is kind of bothersome, because you have to turn off pithhelmet and reload the main page before clicking the thumbnails will work.

[nagromme]

Huge yawn!

And yet worth the time to post :)

This is great news, IF true, compared to the awful phone pics my friends send me from other recent thin phones.

I often carry my camera in my pocket just in case... and usually my iPod (mainly for contacts/calendar) as well. It seems increasingly likely that an iPhone can replace both devices--and it's thinner than either one. (My iPod's a 60GB 4G.)

[chubad]

If these are indeed authentic then I will be even more excited to get an iPhone. The quality for a phone camera is excellent. It's really nice to be able to get a decent quality photo from device you are always carrying. Sweet!!:D

[zv470]

Since CS1 is doing it than this feature is either something that's been out there for a few years now or you and I are just crazy.

Does anyone know?

Hehe... ay thaut ay waz goin grazy... i went to open it in preview... i was up in the menu looking for rotate when i noticed the picture was already the right way up, heh, so i closed it, deleted it, emptied trash, re-downloaded it... to find the same result. Cool hehe.

I wonder how long preview.app has had orientation support?

[ClimbingTheLog]

It's Richard D. James (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_D_James)

What's with his freakishly large forearm muscles? Or are those tumors?

If it's him, maybe he's working on some of the sounds for the iPhone.

[ClimbingTheLog]

Full EXIF tags here:

Camera make : Apple
Camera model : iPhone
Date/Time : 2007:04:21 10:23:45
Resolution : 1600 x 1200
Orientation : rotate 90
Aperture : f/2.8

f/2.8 is a nice low-light lens for a camera phone without flash. I think that's new info (for whomever is maintaining the specs page).

[brucku]

nice zelda shirt. Definately a programmer. p.s. there is a woman in the only other pic - why did you guys decide that when they said "she" they were talking about the guy eating toast?

[SeanMcg]

are you serious? This person deserves exactly what he gets. Im sure this guy has signed more than one or two NDA's that probably stated doing something like this was against his own interests, and on top of that he took the pictures in public with an unreleased product AND posted them on a PUBLIC image hosting server. I hope these pics are not legit or else I would be concerned about the iphone considering this is a guy working on it :p

Assuming the photos are legit...
Normally I would agree. In this case, though, what I think happened here is that they were testing the iPhone's integration with Flickr and forgot to make the photos private. We don't always know every feature of every service.

I've never used Flickr, but what if they were testing a widget that posts your photos there? It worked didn't it?
What's the default setting for photos posted to Flickr, public or private?
Does anyone know when the photos were taken vs when they were "found?"

If it was an accident, I don't think termination is in order. Maybe it'll point out a deficiency in the widget.

[nagromme]

Full EXIF tags here:

Camera make : Apple
Camera model : iPhone
Date/Time : 2007:04:21 10:23:45
Resolution : 1600 x 1200
Orientation : rotate 90
Aperture : f/2.8

f/2.8 is a nice low-light lens for a camera phone without flash. I think that's new info (for whomever is maintaining the specs page).

Cool--thanks.

And I don't think this slip is likely to make Apple all THAT mad. We already knew it had a 1600x1200 camera. The product has already been announced, including megapixels.

I wonder if the smaller image might be a still exported from a video? (Wishful thinking. I LOVE my current cam's crappy video ability, compared to having no video cam on hand at all. If iPhone can take even 15fps 320x240 I'll find uses for it.)

[sminman]

I saved the picture in iPhoto and then "got info" on the picture and this is what came up:http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j98/sminman/Picture1-2.png

Seems real to me, I don't know how the specs could be like that if it where fake.

[arn]

Seems real to me, I don't know how the specs could be like that if it where fake.

EXIF information can easily be modified/faked... but the fact that an Apple Product Mananger posted it makes it far less likely to be fake.

arn

[dornoforpyros]

I'm calling this RIGHT NOW.


Toast Guy is the new Ellen Feiss (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Feiss)

[peestandingup]

Oh lord. That person at Apple is SOOO fired on Monday (if these are legit). Although there really is no way of knowing, since exif info can be changed pretty easily.

But, if he/she is a program manager at Apple, then its quite possible.

[Zadillo]

Oh lord. That person at Apple is SOOO fired on Monday (if these are legit). Although there really is no way of knowing, since exif info can be changed pretty easily.

But, if he/she is a program manager at Apple, then its quite possible.

You know, a few people have said this, but in all seriousness; why would someone posting some photos taken from an iPhone to their Flickr account warrant firing? There isn't anything secret in the photos that wouldn't already be known (the product is called.... iPhone! It takes 2MP photos! SHOCKER!).

It would be one thing if someone posted a bunch of pictures OF the iPhone, but this hardly seems like it would warrant being fired over. It basically shows that this person is actually using the iPhone; if they didn't want people out using them, they probably wouldn't have them out.

The only think i could see that would warrant firing would be if this person wasn't supposed to be using their iPhone in public or something. But I have a hard time believing that someone just snuck it out without permission, and then used it to take photos and upload them to their Flickr account if there was going to be a problem with doing that.

[arn]

My guess is that the images were exported from iPhoto -> Flickr and they didn't realize the EXIF info was there.

arn

[scu]

These are fake.

First of all why would he/she risk being fired by taking pictures in public with a product that should not even be out of the labs?

Just being seen with it would lead them to being fired unless they were some big shot executive or journalist? Neither would do this type of a stunt.

Secondly what purpose would it serve to post them on the web, other than show them to someone and furthering the risk of being fired?

This smells like a fake story from some PR firm to generate more buzz about the iPhone.

[wmmk]

Ok, 2.8 is pretty fast. The focal length is 14mm, and the perspective looks to be about "normal," so we (DSLR owners) should be able to think of the iPhone's lens as an f/2.8 31mm macro. This assumes that a zoom lens is not used. I'd certainly rather have a 50mm equivalent prime than one of the superzoom 28-300 currently popular on P&S cameras.

[arn]

These are fake.

First of all why would he/she risk being fired by taking pictures in public with a product that should not even be out of the labs?


Here are the "facts" so to speak.

- Images appeared on Flickr with "iPhone" listed in EXIF data
- Flickr account owned by someone identified as an Apple Product Mananger
- Photos deleted shortly after their discovery

all of that together makes it pretty convincing. It's not like the photos were tagged as "iphone" photos... the EXIF information is something that most people don't think about when they decide to publish a photo on the internet or not. So it may have just been mixed in with the other photos, and the person decided to publish it on flickr.

arn

[Zwhaler]

Why this is a big deal is beyond me. It's not like the iPhone has an amazing camera. My phone has a camera that is as good as if not better than the iPhones. Move along people...

[Zadillo]

Why this is a big deal is beyond me. It's not like the iPhone has an amazing camera. My phone has a camera that is as good as if not better than the iPhones. Move along people...

Can you upload some photos taken by your phone?

[djellison]

The iPhone will have lots of industry beating features. The quality of these images really isn't one guys. If you think these are utterly amazing for a cell-phone camera, you've not looked at enough cell-phones. The colour cast on the first really isn't very good and the second is struggling with the dynamic range of the scene.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobile-phones/review/2006/12/04/LG-KG920-5-megapixel-Cameraphone/p4
or
http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobile-phones/review/2006/10/01/Nokia-N73/p3
for instance. OK - not similar settings or scenes, but quite clearly cameras that match and likely exceed the quality of these shots were seing.

The iPhone images are good, better than many, but they're nothing special, nothing some other phones can't match or beat. Now - Steve likes his 'one last thing' moments...If it can record good quality video, 640 x 480 to drop straight onto your AppleTV ..THAT would be exciting.

Doug

[Flowbee]

I'm calling this RIGHT NOW.


Toast Guy is the new Ellen Feiss (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Feiss)

Dammit!! Toastguy.com is already taken.

[Church]

nice zelda shirt. Definately a programmer. p.s. there is a woman in the only other pic - why did you guys decide that when they said "she" they were talking about the guy eating toast?

Zelda Shirt? I thought that was the iPhone's life projector! (it's one of the features that made the price so high :rolleyes:) Gonna take a lot more toast to regen that much!

[JamesBurls]

Whilst I totally agree that these are indeed nice photos (for a phone), they can't really compete wth the Nokia N95, 5MP and a level sensor and DVD like video recording . . .

http://web.mac.com/jamesburland/iWeb/thecreativelifeblog2/thecreativelifeblog/11F6082F-D4D7-40B3-998F-A531A5AE51D6.html

http://web.mac.com/jamesburland/iWeb/thecreativelifeblog2/thecreativelifeblog/0EC40DF1-6AC3-46A5-B49A-BFE969D6848A.html

http://web.mac.com/jamesburland/iWeb/thecreativelifeblog2/thecreativelifeblog/C8C1C47A-0D38-49D4-9DC9-D50D09F99A01.html

http://mirror.video.blip.tv/TheCreativeLife-NokiaN95RawSampleVideoNoEditing785.mp4

[szark]

Don't quote me, but I believe that's BJ's restaurant next to the Apple Campus.

I was wondering if anyone was going to try and identlfy the restaurant. :)

If this turns out to be real then someone is going to get fired Monday. Even if neither of the people in the photos are connected to Apple directly, someone will know who they are and tie them back to someone.

Is it really worth getting someone canned to get a rumor?

I seriously doubt anyone will get fired over this. It was a simple mistake, and not much new information was revealed as a result.

[nagromme]

Nobody's "getting excited" over these pics being better than any phone known to humanity :p

But a lot of phones have really poor cameras, while this image looks pretty decent. That makes this good news. Nobody demands that the iPhone must have the best camera ever seen in a phone, and nobody who owns some other phone needs to feel any challenge towards their choice.

[mhouse]

are you serious? This person deserves exactly what he gets. Im sure this guy has signed more than one or two NDA's that probably stated doing something like this was against his own interests, and on top of that he took the pictures in public with an unreleased product AND posted them on a PUBLIC image hosting server. I hope these pics are not legit or else I would be concerned about the iphone considering this is a guy working on it :p

Of course I'm serious. Someone that works on the iPhone team takes a few random pics on an iPhone and posts them. What is the big deal? I'm quite sure he/she didn't expect and couldn't have predicted that some superdork with too much time on his hands was going to track him down like darn bloodhound.

[odedia]

I guess someone's gonna get fired soon...

[queshy]

exciting...but I want to see more iPhone!

It better come out in June and not get delayed...then I can start waiting for it to come to Canada in 2043. :p

[yayaba]

Can you upload some photos taken by your phone?

I'll bite.

Here are photos from my recent trip to Japan. I took my Sony Ericsson k790a phone with me even though I couldn't use it in Japan (damn WCDMA technology...). I did however use it just to take pictures and it came out pretty well.

If anything, I'm so used to having a Xenon flash on my phone that I wish the iPhone had it.

The camera is a 3.2mp.

http://dju.moogli.net/DSC00686.jpg http://dju.moogli.net/DSC00697.jpg
http://dju.moogli.net/DSC00707.jpg http://dju.moogli.net/DSC00726.jpg

[needthephone]

I agree these photos aren't really anything special, sorry. I have a nokia 6280 (which I generally hate as I'm onto my third 3 free replacement and the bugs still haven't been ironed out) but the 2MP camera is pretty decent and as good or bretter than these.

As to whether the employee will be fired, I think this is all part of the hype. just hiding nuggests out there to get people excited. They must know it will be picked up on forums such as this.

Just what else is lurking out there then??

[theappleguy]

Why this is a big deal is beyond me. It's not like the iPhone has an amazing camera. My phone has a camera that is as good as if not better than the iPhones. Move along people...I agree. They are acceptable, but Sony Ericsson's camera phones offer better image quality at a higher resolution. At the price, I would expect it to be competitive in this area, not meeting the standard of last year's, or even the year before's, top of the line phones. There are two main reasons many people will wait for the next generation iPhone: lack of 3G/HSDPA and a 3.2MP camera with auto focus and a flash.

[calculus]

How anyone can make a judgement about how good the iPhone camera is compared with other phones, based on just two pictures taken in less than ideal circumstances, is beyond me.

[peestandingup]

You guys are missing the point. This story isnt about the "quality" of the iPhone's built-in camera. Its just that the images were CREATED using the iPhone. If these are legit, its the first thing we've seen from iPhone ever, whether it be an application, wallpaper, ringtones, whatever.

Get it?? So, posting of the comparison photos can from other cell phone cameras can stop now. ;)

[motulist]

They're probably fake because these photos look like they were taken in very public places, and except for a few big whigs who are allowed to carry them around, I didn't hear anything about Apple letting test users use the iPhone out in the open.

[notsofatjames]

I'll bite.

Here are photos from my recent trip to Japan. I took my Sony Ericsson k790a phone with me even though I couldn't use it in Japan (damn WCDMA technology...). I did however use it just to take pictures and it came out pretty well.

If anything, I'm so used to having a Xenon flash on my phone that I wish the iPhone had it.

The camera is a 3.2mp.

<images were here>

From iPhotos get info thing.. it says your camera make and moddel. and it says Software : Photoshop CS3. i wasnt aware that was released yet. Are you one of the lucky few to be selected for pre-release testing.

[iMikeT]

I feel bad for the poor guy who's going to be fired on Monday.

[nagromme]

General questions about the phones with a built-in flash and image quality better than these "unaccaptable" iPhone results: how many of them have dimensions as small as an iPhone? I'd love a flash, zoom, etc., but not if it makes the phone bigger. I have a camera already for those needs, and no phone will equal it when I need top quality. Top quality isn't what a phone needs. What the iPhone does have, if these photos are real, is very GOOD quality, meeting a standard of usefulness than I have seldom seen in phone pictures. I'm sure, moving forward, that this same quality is no longer the exception with newer phones. That takes nothing away from the iPhone.

From iPhotos get info thing.. it says your camera make and moddel. and it says Software : Photoshop CS3. i wasnt aware that was released yet. Are you one of the lucky few to be selected for pre-release testing.

CS3 has been out for a week or two now.

[Richard Flynn]

From iPhotos get info thing.. it says your camera make and moddel. and it says Software : Photoshop CS3. i wasnt aware that was released yet. Are you one of the lucky few to be selected for pre-release testing.

'Lucky few'? Anyone with a valid CS2 licence could download and use the CS3 beta. And the final CS3 version has been shipping for about ten days, now. (It was announced in the middle of March.)

[mixel]

I love how some people think anyone would be fired over this..

How could they? Why would they? This hasn't revealed anything at all other than the camera works.

Having a tiny fraction of the target market know that the camera inside the iphone a) works and b) isn't terrible isn't doing anyone any harm.. This is hardly a leak, or anythign apple would care much about.

Some of you guys act like infinite loop is Area 51 or something. :rolleyes:

[Project]

I wonder whether you could go straight to Flickr from the iPhone and upload photos taken with it, instead of having to transfer the photos to your computer and upload from there. I am guessing the iPhone would need some kind of Finder in order to do that.

Still, you could use the email to Flickr option and I am sure developers could make plugins/widgets for it.

[Bonte]

I still dont get what the hype is all about?
the iphone is neat but not like it is going to change the world the second it comes out.

Maybe not at the first second but the iPhone is going to change our mobile life, public wifi and influence a big portion of the internet. This is bigger than the Mac and iPod combined, its a combination of the two that will revolutionize our digital lives. :D

[apachie2k]

its a ploy by apple, they want to generate this kind of discussion. They want to give us more info!!

[koobcamuk]

Can you upload some photos taken by your phone?

Here's a photocast of photos taken with my phone. Much, much better than the iPhone. It has 2x optical zoom too.

http://photocast.mac.com/martinirwin/iPhoto/sharp-903sh/index.rss

Enjoy

[koobcamuk]

'Lucky few'? Anyone with a valid CS2 licence could download and use the CS3 beta. And the final CS3 version has been shipping for about ten days, now. (It was announced in the middle of March.)

I also have CS3 premium.

[nagromme]

Here's a photocast of photos taken with my phone. Much, much better than the iPhone. It has 2x optical zoom too.

http://photocast.mac.com/martinirwin/iPhoto/sharp-903sh/index.rss

Enjoy

Zoom lens and flash would be great to have! But your Sharp 903 is well over an inch thick! Thicker than my non-phone camera, in fact. That's not a trade I'd be willing to make. Nor would I generally want to spend battery life on zoom motors and camera flash.

If I want the BEST photos possible in all conditions, I'll want something bulkier than an iPhone--like your phone or the camera I already have. I'm sure your phone is great. But more often, I just want very GOOD pictures, and maximum portability. At less than 1/2" thick, iPhone appears to deliver that.

An iPhone doesn't have to be the ultimate camera any more than it has to be the ultimate personal weather station. The camera (and weather widget) are simply very useful features to include.

[alexprice]

Just found this on that flickr account that the original pics came from.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/meriko/97266861/

Notice the PowerMacs have blocked ports and non standard graphics cards.

[locovaca]

The photos aren't anything special, guys.

1. Low noise? Who knows how much light there was when the photo was taken. There could've been a large amount of light and very little made it into the lens in the first picture. There are obviously lights in the background, but the kitchen area looks so dark as to be suicidal.

2. The second photo has some horrible purple fringing. Ok for a picture you're going to show your friends on your phone, not ok for printing out and putting into a frame.

3. In both pics the blue levels seem to be way high. Also, the classic phone camera-focus can be seen clearly in the high res (you're 2 feet from the guy's face and he's using 40% of the image, but facial features are blurry to jpeg'ed out).

What does this prove? Apple went pretty standard on the camera part.

[kadajawi]

Why do the colors look so terribly wrong? So the photo itself is ok... but the white balance seems to be crap. Oh great. So it's useless. Sure you can fix it in Photoshop, but when it's as wrong as with that photo? I doubt the iPhone can save RAW...

And I'd expect Sonys newest K series phones to be better. They have flash too, and they shouldn't be too big.

I think if this guy is going to be fired, than because of the bad quality of the photos.

[Project]

For me personally, complete iTunes and iApps integration > the camera

[koobcamuk]

Zoom lens and flash would be great to have! But your Sharp 903 is well over an inch thick! Thicker than my non-phone camera, in fact. That's not a trade I'd be willing to make. Nor would I generally want to spend battery life on zoom motors and camera flash.

You have valid points, but the 903SH is just over an inch thick at it's thickest point and takes 3.2MP photos.

Main thing is, it's 18 months old...

I use it because it's nice to have a flip-phone (I am one of the only people in the UK to prefer them), it takes amazing photos (saving me carrying a DSLR around - unless I want to be really arty/take the best shots) and it's 3G so I get great data speeds for email when I am out and about.

I am fond of many apple products, don't get me wrong! I am just thinking that I won't get one until it gets better. Having said that, it's not even released here until 2008! So who cares! :rolleyes:

[alexprice]

Whats beer pong?

[vincebio]

the iphone is neat but not like it is going to change the world the second it comes out

there was this similiar product called 'i' something that had the same fate i believe...:cool:

[Project]

You have valid points, but the 903SH is just over an inch thick at it's thickest point and takes 3.2MP photos.

Main thing is, it's 18 months old...

I use it because it's nice to have a flip-phone (I am one of the only people in the UK to prefer them), it takes amazing photos (saving me carrying a DSLR around - unless I want to be really arty/take the best shots) and it's 3G so I get great data speeds for email when I am out and about.

I am fond of many apple products, don't get me wrong! I am just thinking that I won't get one until it gets better. Having said that, it's not even released here until 2008! So who cares! :rolleyes:

Where did you get 2008 from? Its consistently being talked as Q4 07 for Europe, and I keep reading October as the likely launch here.

[koobcamuk]

Where did you get 2008 from? Its consistently being talked as Q4 07 for Europe, and I keep reading October as the likely launch here.

I won't get it until there's an asian counterpart. You're right Q4 here apparently, but I still will wait to believe it. Leopard and iPhone in the UK at the same time? We always get the last straw... wonder what it will be with this time :rolleyes:

I dunno, I am just not getting my hopes up for a release this year!

This phone suits me well anyway...

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/283/0704291240jx2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8886/0704291237sd7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/2852/0704291255dz0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

It just can't be the same phone for Asia... I doubt it will be released in Japan!

[Luc@]

A little crop from the G5 images… ;-)
"Apple Development Team"

[koobcamuk]

A little crop from the G5 images… ;-)
"Apple Development Team"

nice spot!

What's funny is that people are calling her 'cute' in the comments... hmmm :rolleyes:

[gotohamish]

It's Richard D. James (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_D_James)

OMG that's what I thought!

[Hattig]

Poor dude. First he's going to see these pictures and go, argh, i'm all over teh intarwebs. Then he's going to see all the 'she' comments...

Anyway, how is this newsworthy apart from confirming that the iPhone can take pictures and that the pictures can end up on Flickr. We've all seen the iPhone in that keynote, so it isn't anything secret, and a high-end phone without a camera would be rather odd these days. Yet people think that they'll get sacked for this! There's no trade secret or NDA about the existence of the iPhone nor its camera capabilities...

[FF_productions]

Whats beer pong?

A Very Fun competitive drinking game. You should try it.

[Analog Kid]

Then, their dog will be in pieces on their porch.


I dunno-- looks like a whole kennel in that display case.

Man, those pictures freak me out...

[mac jones]

For Christ's sake no one is safe.

Remember 1984? What a joke! we are doing it to ourselves.

(note: that guys teeth are pretty good for his age.I wonder who is dentist is)

[lloydh]

A little crop from the G5 images… ;-)
"Apple Development Team"

I've simply got to ask how you managed to resolve that much detail? I tried a simple zoom in PS and got nothing but a blur (this is from the full size flickr image btw). Nice work anyhow.

I too am slightly disappointed by the camera performance given other manufacturers' recent advances. With such a small sensor a F/1.4 50mm equivalent lens would have been ideal combined with at least a 3MP sensor and ideally an LED (or better still) xenon flash. Sure the phone comes first but for me, poor quality cameras can really let down the quality overall.

Flickr integration would be really hot (though it's not a first, doesn't the SE K800i already have it?).

I agree with a lot of people that the Gen2 iPhone will be the one but I still want the Gen1 device really badly! :)

[Silentwave]

Oh lord. That person at Apple is SOOO fired on Monday (if these are legit). Although there really is no way of knowing, since exif info can be changed pretty easily.

But, if he/she is a program manager at Apple, then its quite possible.



If they are real, I think that this person is getting their BONUS on monday.

Can you say carefully orchestrated leak?

[Rocketman]

I am interested in the backlit photo being better than the ones my Sony camera takes. Backlighting is the bane of digital cameras.

I REALLY want it to be able to take MOVIES at the full resolution of the sensor. So what if it takes up a lot of space, just transmit it to your MacBook via Wi-Fi.

I like the "inside baseball" images. QT7 celebration, Beer Pong, and custom made CPU's. Kinda neat. Not much meat. Nothing to get worked up over, but fun.

I do think these really are the first iPhone photos in the wild for all the reasons Arn said, plus the associated other personal photos and the subject of a photo having a wiki entry of unbelievable length and complexity.

Rocketman

[paulyras]

Seriously though. I'm pretty excited about this. As someone else noted, the pearl (my soon to be former phone come june) takes HORRIBLE pictures. It's not that these are perfect, but it at least shows that that they used decent components in the camera which should partially quell the "I'm never buying this thing cuz it doesn't have a 5 megapixel camera" folks. It's not the megapixels that count so much as the color reproduction and ability to work in different lighting conditions.

It's not earthshattering, but it is something we didn't know anything about previously.

Oh, and I'm inferring the color reproduction based on the guy's incredibly pasty complexion and my assumptions about most people in the computer industry. Just kidding ;)

[guzhogi]

Rotated 90 degrees what the...??

.....when I view the pic of "the guy eating toast" in Preview.app it rotates it the right way up... what the? Does the iPhone record ORIENTATION information into the image?

Don't forget the iPhone will have an accelerometer. That way, if you're watching a movie on the iPhone right side up, the movie's right side up. Turn the iPhone and it automatically rotates so its still right side up. Check out www.apple.com/iphone to see what I mean.

[pilotError]

This has to be the silliest serious thread I've read on MacRumors yet!

[paulyras]

Don't forget the iPhone will have an accelerometer. That way, if you're watching a movie on the iPhone right side up, the movie's right side up. Turn the iPhone and it automatically rotates so its still right side up. Check out www.apple.com/iphone to see what I mean.

Huh... That got me thinking... So, assuming you can take video on the iPhone, could the accelerometer potentially be used to eliminate shaking, somewhat like a steadycam? I'd assume not, but it would be really cool.

[MrSmith]

:rolleyes: Is MR now an outlet for paparazzi-type 'news'?

[4God]

Just found this on that flickr account that the original pics came from.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/meriko/97266861/

Notice the PowerMacs have blocked ports and non standard graphics cards.

.......custom made CPU's. Kinda neat..............Rocketman

Aren't those the developer versions that had an Intel board and Intel integrated graphics?
Didn't they have to be turned back in after a certain amount of time?

[puckhead193]

i think someone at apple is going to be let go

[willed]

Meh. I've been using a 3.2MP phone for the last year, with a proper flash. There are 5MP phones out already. The iPhone camera is, in a word, crap. The pictures here are no big deal, I don't know why everyone says they're good for a camera phone... Maybe because phones in the US tend to be 1 generation behind European phones and about 2-3 generations behind Asian ones? I had a K750i two years ago which had 2MP and images this good.

[brbubba]

The meats photo is just crap, but the guy eating toast is very high quality for a 2MP camera. If it can consistently take good shots like that I would say its even better than my 3 MP camera on my k790a.

[BigPrince]

This definitely an awkward thread.

I wish/hope that this guys identity is safe otherwise he is probably going to get into some trouble.

[05elstonc]

I am glad we got something real out of the iPhone, rather than some crazy report from DigiTimes.

[Maxipeg]

Rotated 90 degrees what the...??

.....when I view the pic of "the guy eating toast" in Preview.app it rotates it the right way up... what the? Does the iPhone record ORIENTATION information into the image?

have a look at the TIFF info in Preview. There is a code (in this case 6) for orientattion property.Remember, the iPhone detects autmatically it's orientation.

[StealthRider]

Just found this on that flickr account that the original pics came from.

*Snip*

Notice the PowerMacs have blocked ports and non standard graphics cards.

Those are Developer Transition Kits - they had integrated Intel graphics with a separate card for single-DVI out.

[MrSmith]

My almost-free phone shoots pics at 5MP and transfers them to my 'puter via Bluetooth. What's all the fuss about?

[kuebby]

My almost-free phone shoots pics at 5MP and transfers them to my 'puter via Bluetooth. What's all the fuss about?

The "fuss" as you say it is that we're all Apple fans and these are the first pictures from the first Apple camera. In addition to being the first they're also of good quality, especially for a cell phone camera. My question to you is whether those 5MP pictures are any good from your phone. I've seen phones with integrated cameras and high pixel counts that still look awful.

[mrkramer]

The "fuss" as you say it is that we're all Apple fans and these are the first pictures from the first Apple camera.

Actually it is not the first Apple camera they made a camera in the early 1990's. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quicktake

If these pictures are real then they seem to be better than most phone pics that I have seen and I would like to have a good phone camera for when I don't have my SLR.

[MrSmith]

The "fuss" as you say it is that we're all Apple fans and these are the first pictures from the first Apple camera. In addition to being the first they're also of good quality, especially for a cell phone camera. My question to you is whether those 5MP pictures are any good from your phone. I've seen phones with integrated cameras and high pixel counts that still look awful.

Firstly, being a blinkered Apple fanboy will earn you scorn even here. Secondly, yes, my pics (run through editing software if necessary) would match these.

[mrrory]

If these are indeed authentic then I will be even more excited to get an iPhone. The quality for a phone camera is excellent. It's really nice to be able to get a decent quality photo from device you are always carrying. Sweet!!:D

Absolutely agreed, the camera on my SK3 is a joke - complete waste of time. If these are real, it'll be great!

[brbubba]

My almost-free phone shoots pics at 5MP and transfers them to my 'puter via Bluetooth. What's all the fuss about?

Thats cause you live in London where they actually have cool phones. The US is LAME when it comes to keeping up with phone tech. In addition, even though you guys have some seriously cool GSM phones, the GSM providers in this country don't really care about bringing out the coolest and greatest even if they could easily import them.

[sthpark7791]

I don't really like the quality of the second picture. The lights in the background apear to be messing the picture up.

Like someone mentioned, having image stabilization would be sweet.

[MrSmith]

Thats cause you live in London where they actually have cool phones. The US is LAME when it comes to keeping up with phone tech. In addition, even though you guys have some seriously cool GSM phones, the GSM providers in this country don't really care about bringing out the coolest and greatest even if they could easily import them.
Actually I'm in Japan. Maybe even more ahead of the curve? Still, I don't believe 5M is the norm.

[behindthecamera]

Is it really worth getting someone canned to get a rumor?

I guess. Y'all should be ashamed.

[Sam0r]

Just found this on that flickr account that the original pics came from.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/meriko/97266861/

Notice the PowerMacs have blocked ports and non standard graphics cards.

Theyre the intel development kit machines, the very first available (only to developerts) mac's capable of running OS X intel.

I'm guessing seeing as the mac pro's are out now, all the development machines have been returned, and thats why they're there.

[lazyrighteye]

They're probably fake because these photos look like they were taken in very public places, and except for a few big whigs who are allowed to carry them around, I didn't hear anything about Apple letting test users use the iPhone out in the open.

I didn't hear anything about Apple telling you anything about anything. :p

And no one at Apple is loosing their job(s) over these pix. No way.

FWIW: those pix (especially the 1st) look way better than what my VZW Treo 650 can capture.

[mpeters13]

This thread brings up a couple interesting points. I for one think that the information in these photos is spoofed. Unless iPhoto is partial to images taken with the iPhone (hey... it's totally possible...) it doesn't really seem to read information from the pictures I've taken with 4-5 different cell phones.

On another note... c'mon a chance to take pictures with an iPhone and a huge rack of meat was the best they could think of? :confused:

[Sm0kejaguar]

This particular rumor has yielded some interesting replies.

"My phone can beat up your phone's dad. And my country has better Phones than yours!"

If these are legit pictures then they look pretty good! That much is certain. If you have a 20,000 megapixel camera from Luxembourg, or a 100,000 megapixel camera from Japan, then rest assured, your hard earned supremacy in the land of cell phone cameras shall remain unchallenged by the iPhone, no one is saying it's the greatest camera ever created by man or celestial being, you came up with that one all on your own ;). If you have a 3-5 megapixel camera from the US or some other totally not European or Asian (and therefor far less awesome, apparently) country, keep in mind that megapixels are far from the lone distinguishing element by which to gauge the quality of your camera. You can have a 1,000,000 megapixel camera, but if the optics suck, then its sad day in happyville for you. Anyway. The moral of the story: Some phones are better than others. Peace.

[Lepton]

These are not the best pics ever from a camera phone, but they great pics for a 2MP flashless camera phone. I also noticed when I loaded the big pic into iPhoto it oriented the pic properly.

I figured the iPhone would probably use the same type of camera hardware seen in the laptop iSight.

[MrSmith]

...rest assured, your hard earned supremacy in the land of cell phone cameras shall remain unchallenged by the iPhone...
Er...yes...that was kind of the point being made. Aka despite what some people might think this isn't the best thing since sliced bread.

[MrSmith]

Capital letters? Must be a biggun! :D

[slffl]

Oh lord. That person at Apple is SOOO fired on Monday (if these are legit). Although there really is no way of knowing, since exif info can be changed pretty easily.

But, if he/she is a program manager at Apple, then its quite possible.

Well then, I sure hope it wasn't Steve's iPhone that took these.

[wavelayer]

Is that a meat locker?

[quigleybc]

Why the F is that girl hanging out next to a wall of meat?

[TVGenius]

This establishes a new precedent for fanboydom. Truly sad.

[teejaysplace]

Should you guys really be reporting on this when the person in question is likely to get fired because of it? I mean, publishing rumours is on thing, but haven't you guys ever heard of ethics in journalism? It would be simple enough to state that "Mac Rumours has independentally confirmed that the photos are authentic" without publishing the department and team on which the person works. Don't most journalists usually refrain from outting thier sources in the interest of integrity and their effort to preserve effectiveness of the First Ammendment? ThinkSecret went to court to preserve this right for all of the rumour sites and you guys have just sort of tossed that effort out the window with this one. I'd advise any Apple insiders to stay clear of providing content to you guys in the future.

[koobcamuk]

Meh. I've been using a 3.2MP phone for the last year, with a proper flash. There are 5MP phones out already. The iPhone camera is, in a word, crap. The pictures here are no big deal, I don't know why everyone says they're good for a camera phone... Maybe because phones in the US tend to be 1 generation behind European phones and about 2-3 generations behind Asian ones? I had a K750i two years ago which had 2MP and images this good.

With you on that one. I am not being sold by camera.... would be a back step for me!

[MrSmith]

With you on that one. I am not being sold by camera.... would be a back step for me!
Some here seem to have a hard time grasping this fact. The iPhone certainly has its good points, but it isn't the camera. Comparing something to ones own experience is not the same as comparing to what's available outside ones own country.

[brbubba]

Actually I'm in Japan. Maybe even more ahead of the curve? Still, I don't believe 5M is the norm.

Nope, not even close. The US is still lingering on the 2MP front. Most phones don't even have 1MP, in which case I wonder wtf the point of a camera in a phone is in the first place?

[KurtangleTN]

I gotta say, the iPhone is overrated IMO.

Yes, it brings some fresh air to the cell phone world with the new interface, new design.. but the camera is weak, the storage is on the weak side, the battery life reports are weak, and the price is high at 500-600.

Very un-apple like to just do what's the average with a 2mp phone.

[iJon]

Picture is kind of creepy looking. Thought I was looking at Aphex Twin for a second.

jon

[arn]

Should you guys really be reporting on this when the person in question is likely to get fired because of it? I mean, publishing rumours is on thing, but haven't you guys ever heard of ethics in journalism? It would be simple enough to state that "Mac Rumours has independentally confirmed that the photos are authentic" without publishing the department and team on which the person works.

Hi,

Thanks for the input. I definitely take this stuff seriously.

- I don't think their job would necessarily be at risk for it. The iPhone is an announced product.
- All information posted was publicly available on the internet. Editing down the information as you suggested, does not actually provide any significant protection of the identity of the individual, since (again) it was all posted publicly on the internet on a personal account.

arn

[Dr.Gargoyle]

Photoshop CS3. i wasnt aware that was released yet. Are you one of the lucky few to be selected for pre-release testing.
CS3 was released the 16th of April here in europe.

[SeanMcg]

Should you guys really be reporting on this when the person in question is likely to get fired because of it? I mean, publishing rumours is on thing, but haven't you guys ever heard of ethics in journalism? It would be simple enough to state that "Mac Rumours has independentally confirmed that the photos are authentic" without publishing the department and team on which the person works. Don't most journalists usually refrain from outting thier sources in the interest of integrity and their effort to preserve effectiveness of the First Ammendment? ThinkSecret went to court to preserve this right for all of the rumour sites and you guys have just sort of tossed that effort out the window with this one. I'd advise any Apple insiders to stay clear of providing content to you guys in the future.

Please. The TS case was about an alleged Apple employee leaking information to the site about an unannounced product, most likely violating the NDAs that they had signed. This story is about finding photos that were posted to a public site, whether accidentally or intentionally, not leaked to Macrumors. In a journalistic fashion, the owner of that account was discovered, which made it the "story" that it is.

The First Amendment is very much intact. Save your ire for when it is truly needed.

[dante@sisna.com]

Why this is a big deal is beyond me. It's not like the iPhone has an amazing camera. My phone has a camera that is as good as if not better than the iPhones. Move along people...

And what phone is that, pray tell?

I've had many phones over the past 3 years -- many expensive ones, and none of them compare to these images.

[dante@sisna.com]

Here's a photocast of photos taken with my phone. Much, much better than the iPhone. It has 2x optical zoom too.

http://photocast.mac.com/martinirwin/iPhoto/sharp-903sh/index.rss

Enjoy

Those photos don't look better to my eye.

Not a fair comparison of one iPhone photos probably taken through glass. I say it's a wash.

[Furryscott]

After looking at both photos I'm on the "no" side....

As far as I know, There's ONE iPhone on the loose and that's tucked in Steve's pocket. I'm not sure about the first photo but I can with 99% certainty say that the second photo is from the New York, New York Casino is Las Vegas. If you go into the "Brooklyn Area" of the eatery area they have a wall of refrigerated meat for everyone to look at.

If Steve has EVER leaked anything to the public before is in serious doubt. Why he would fly down to Las Vegas to snap two pictures and set them loose on the interwebs is beyond me.

I'm calling them fakers. That's my OPINION. (And I am entitled to that!)

[arn]

I'm not sure about the first photo but I can with 99% certainty say that the second photo is from the New York, New York Casino is Las Vegas.

You're wrong. :)

It's Alexander's Steakhouse; Cupertino, CA.
http://flickr.com/photos/shigeya/311338001/

[Peace]

What IS the big deal here ?

So.It's a pic taken with the iPhone.Is news out of Cupertino so slow that this silly stuff has to be front page ?

I voted negative only because I think this is sensationalism gone bad.

[bloodycape]

I am actually surprised how solid the camera is but, I would like to see how well it does in low light and how it will compare to an HTC TyTN with the macro switch on.

[synth3tik]

Shouldn't stuff like this (more hype then facts) be on page 2. I mean I know it's possibly in iPhone, but it's the same type of junk that goes on page 2.

[mustard]

If you're 13 years old...

:rolleyes:

Condoning under-age drinking I see:p

[scottlinux]

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:www.flickr.com/photos/meriko/473537926/&q=&#37;22Taken%20with%20an%20Apple%20iPhone%22

"Taken with an Apple iPhone."

"Derrick, fortifying himself before we hit APE"

I think by APE she means this:
http://www.comic-con.org/ape/
?

[CoreWeb]

Why this is a big deal is beyond me. It's not like the iPhone has an amazing camera. My phone has a camera that is as good as if not better than the iPhones. Move along people...

I agree that this is not a big deal (for different reasons: I just don't care about the fact that a photo taken by the iPhone was posted online - the iPhone's photo quality seems alright).

However: it seems that in every rumor thread, someone says "Move along people". This annoys the heck out of me. Why is it your place to tell me or anyone else what to do? To me, it seems rather rude to do so.

[inferno10]

I ran a tool called ExifTool, and found more information from the iPhone photos which do seem to corroborate the claim that they were taken with an iPhone (note the following in bold). However, the one thing that may suggest an edit is that the modify date is 8 days after the creation date (in italics). However, it's worth noting that the Primary Platform, Device Manufacturer, Profile Creator, and Profile Copyright EXIF tags are NOT editable by ExifTool.

ExifTool Version Number : 6.87
File Name : 473537926ee73e03921oqh0.jpg
Directory : .
File Size : 265 kB
File Modification Date/Time : 2007:04:29 12:18:51
File Type : JPEG
MIME Type : image/jpeg
Make : Apple
Camera Model Name : iPhone
Orientation : Rotate 90 CW
Resolution Unit : inches
Modify Date : 2007:04:21 10:23:45
F Number : 2.8
Date/Time Original : 2007:04:21 10:23:45
Create Date : 2007:04:21 10:23:45
Color Space : sRGB
Exif Image Width : 1600
Exif Image Length : 1200
Gamma : 2.2
Compression : JPEG (old-style)
Thumbnail Offset : 343
Thumbnail Length : 8190
Profile CMM Type : appl
Profile Version : 2.2.0
Profile Class : Input Device Profile
Color Space Data : RGB
Profile Connection Space : XYZ
Profile Date Time : 2003:07:01 00:00:00
Profile File Signature : acsp
Primary Platform : Apple Computer Inc.
CMM Flags : Not Embedded, Independent
Device Manufacturer : appl
Device Model :
Device Attributes : Reflective, Glossy, Positive, Color
Rendering Intent : Perceptual
Connection Space Illuminant : 0.9642 1 0.82491
Profile Creator : appl
Profile ID : 0
Red Matrix Column : 0.45427 0.24263 0.01482
Green Matrix Column : 0.35332 0.67441 0.09042
Blue Matrix Column : 0.15662 0.08336 0.71953
Media White Point : 0.95047 1 1.0891
Chromatic Adaptation : 1.04788 0.02292 -0.0502 0.02957 0.99049 -0.01706 -0.00923 0.01508 0.75165
Red Tone Reproduction Curve : (Binary data 14 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Green Tone Reproduction Curve : (Binary data 14 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Blue Tone Reproduction Curve : (Binary data 14 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Profile Description : Camera RGB Profile
Profile Copyright : Copyright 2003 Apple Computer Inc., all rights reserved.
Profile Description ML : Camera RGB Profile
Image Width : 1600
Image Height : 1200
Aperture : 2.8
Image Size : 1600x1200
Thumbnail Image : (Binary data 8190 bytes, use -b option to extract)

[kenaustus]

Since the iPhone isn't in production yet this is probably just a prototype being used in some field testing - including downloading to flicker. It does show some work that Apple is going to need to do in the camera area and that is probably being addressed now.

As for the 2MP size, I believe part of that translate back to the memory levels of the first iPhones and ALL of the other features it will have, from music to pics to movies, plus Lord knows what else. When we get past Gen 1 we will probably see a lot more memory and that is going to make higher resolutions more viable.

[Whistleway]

This establishes a new precedent for fanboydom. Truly sad.

Word. This is sad.

[koobcamuk]

Those photos don't look better to my eye.

Not a fair comparison of one iPhone photos probably taken through glass. I say it's a wash.

'probably taken through glass' - I am not with you here.

The 903SH is one of the best camera phones out there. Many reviews agree with this.

[stainlessliquid]

Its not nearly as high quality as a lot of asian phones (some of those phones look exactly like $300+ digital cameras) but by american standards is way better than the other webcam quality garbage we get. We still have a long way to go before we get perfect color and exposure like the S Koreans and Japanese get from their phones.

[KIRA]

please tell me those are not chicks....please!

[verticalforce]

OMG PEOPLE, HE'S A MAN FOR GOODNESS SAKE, CAN'T YOU ********KING SEE THE STUBBLE??

HOW MANY WOMAN THAT YOU MET HAVE FACIAL HAIRS ON THEIR FACE? PLENTY?

/rants off

[localoid]

I ran a tool called ExifTool, and found more information from the iPhone photos which do seem to corroborate the claim that they were taken with an iPhone ...

The EXIF data you posted is indeed interesting (and appreciated), but that (by itself) really proves nothing. A knowledgeable and skilled person could easily change EXIF data, and make it look "authentic" in the process. ;)

That said, there's a lot of evidence to support the concept that the photos could be from the real thing. But cynically thinking, it's hard to imagine a "real" iPhone being allowed to travel (very far) out into the real world and being (publicly) used to snap a couple of impromptu photographs.

However, one thing is certain -- the amount of "free" advertising the iPhone is able to generate is truly amazing! :p

[photomaniac]

Picture is kind of creepy looking. Thought I was looking at Aphex Twin for a second.

jon

that is so funny! LOL.... I totally agree with you! haha!

[wavelayer]

I wonder what kind of sandwich thingy he's eating. He looks to be enjoying it very much.

[Sabenth]

meh this still dont bring the the iPhone closer to shops around the world funny pics though.

[sam12345]

Is that a meat locker?

Yes. The second image is taken at the entrance to the lobby bar of the Alexander's Steak House on Wolfe Road in Cupertino, CA. They age their own beef and the meat locker has a glass wall.

http://www.alexanderssteakhouse.com/

A very nice restaurant BTW, and just one exit down 280 (less than 2 miles) from Apple HQ and about a mile from my house.

So, if the image was taken by an Apple employee with an actual prototype iPhone, the location is certainly very plausible and not straying that far from the farm...

[lord patton]

As far as I know, There's ONE iPhone on the loose and that's tucked in Steve's pocket.


But cynically thinking, it's hard to imagine a "real" iPhone being allowed to travel (very far) out into the real world and being (publicly) used to snap a couple of impromptu photographs.



Since the iPhone isn't in production yet this is probably just a prototype being used in some field testing

kenaustus has it right. The iPhone might not be THE most complex consumer electroncis device ever brought to market, but it's probably close. And integrating it with Google, Yahoo, Cingular/AT&T, to say nothing of the device's own QA requirements, it's going to require (!) real iPhones travelling out in public.

It's early, and this employee appears tight with Apple. But wait until late May and early June, when Apple has to deploy hundreds (if not thousands) of these things for field testing. There are going to be leaks all over the place.

[Number41]

posted on http://www.mobileguerilla.com/articles/2007/04/28/first-pictures-taken-with-apple-iphone.php


"Apr 29, 2007
-

yourmom :

The restaraunt (at least in the second photo) is a steakhouse on Wolfe, at Vallco Mall, called "Alexanders'", in Cupertino, CA. This is about 3 miles from Apple HQ, and since the phone is in testing stage, this adds more credibility. Alexanders' is annoyingly costly, and you walk by the huge cuts of meat on the way to the hostess' podium"



interesting

[localoid]

...It's early, and this employee appears tight with Apple. But wait until late May and early June, when Apple has to deploy hundreds (if not thousands) of these things for field testing. There are going to be leaks all over the place.

The bigger a company gets and the higher it moves toward the top, the more reason that company has to be secretive. Companies usually get bigger and move to the top of the heap because their people work smarter than the competition. It's Darwinism in motion... :p

Smart corporations usually take great steps to prevent "accidents", before they happen. Unless of course, that's part of the game plan. :p

[Alpinism]

Who the #@#$$@#@# cares.

Where are the updated progress of the Mac Pro, Mac book pro & Leopard for people that actually use Apple as a professional tool ? sigh

[EagerDragon]

That first and larger image does look real good, specialy for a phone.

Looks like it has a nice lens.

[MrCrowbar]

Looks ok and real to me. Probably intentionally posted to keep the rumor mill going.

Oh and, for all the people wondering about the orientation information, my Canon Powershot 630 does that too, I thought every modern camera stored the orientation with the picture so you don't have to correct it yourself later. And since the iPhone has an orientation sensor for cover flow and stuff, it just makes sense to use it for taking pictures too.

[EagerDragon]

Rotated 90 degrees what the...??

.....when I view the pic of "the guy eating toast" in Preview.app it rotates it the right way up... what the? Does the iPhone record ORIENTATION information into the image?
Yes

[weing]

Boy i sure hope someone wasn't just showing off their iPhone to get laid because I'm sure not seeing this chick as being worth losing your job over.

[MongoTheGeek]

Poor guy, probably never knew he was a "Bothan Spy"

[Rocketman]

I was tooling around this story and found "food porn". Hey, it's Mac related . . .

http://www.flickr.com/photos/njum/477273868/in/pool-52240578442@N01/

Rocketman

[Teddy's]

Well, whether is the iPhone or not, one thing we can be sure is that:

The toast guy aka "Aphex twin"

... IT IS NOT A CHICK!

[wavelayer]

I don't undertand. My iphone takes WAY clearer images than these.:confused:

[johnee]

Picture is kind of creepy looking. Thought I was looking at Aphex Twin for a second.

jon

I think it is :

It's Richard D. James (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_D_James)

[bigandtasty]

Dude looks like a lady!

[Furryscott]

So it looks as if I'm wrong. Allow me this opportunity to apologize for not being correct in "Guess Where This Is." But I will say that they have a glass meat locker that looks 99% similar to what was photographed in the New York, New York Casino. I'm going to go play me some Command and Conquer 3 now.

[nagromme]

I agree that this is not a big deal (for different reasons: I just don't care about the fact that a photo taken by the iPhone was posted online - the iPhone's photo quality seems alright).

However: it seems that in every rumor thread, someone says "Move along people". This annoys the heck out of me. Why is it your place to tell me or anyone else what to do? To me, it seems rather rude to do so.

Many people seek attention, even when anonymous. Strange but true. Rudeness and putting people down are popular ways to get said attention.

[DaftUnion]

Out of all the pictures someone could put up and then take down...those are some strange photos.

[MacSamurai]

the photos look pretty standard to me.Dont know what the hype is about seeing as most new normal phones have 2mp cameras.unless you have one of the nokia/samsung phones with a 5mp camera:/

[rjwill246]

I still dont get what the hype is all about?
the iphone is neat ------ We know it exists, we know roughly what it can do.

Question is can it do well?

Being from Apple, it is hardly likely to be much more useful than a shoe horn. It is too light to be a door stop. It ought to leak enough EMF to take planes off-course and possibly ignite a petrol (gas) dispenser or two. Those would be "good" days.

[SPUY767]

They look better than most phones I've seen. People complain that it's not high enough resolution, but I think that Apple realizes something that the fellows putting 5 gigapixel cameras in phones do not, and that is that people are usually sending, and receiving these on phones, so the file size needs to be right, and the resolution doesn't have to be astonishing. Second, no one is using their phone to take pictures of their kid's graduation.

[Hunabku]

Being from Apple, it is hardly likely to be much more useful than a shoe horn. It is too light to be a door stop. It ought to leak enough EMF to take planes off-course and possibly ignite a petrol (gas) dispenser or two. Those would be "good" days.

Actually its much more than all of that. Its a mouse trap, a bottle opener, condiment dispenser, mace, a portable shower, a handgernade -> see http://youtube.com/watch?v=1xXNoB3t8vM

[Rocketman]

Actually its much more than all of that. Its a mouse trap, a bottle opener, condiment dispenser, mace, a portable shower, a handgernade -> see http://youtube.com/watch?v=1xXNoB3t8vM

That's just phunnie! ATN!

[twoodcc]

seems like good quality...hope they are real

[ibook30]

They look better than most phones I've seen. People complain that it's not high enough resolution, but I think that Apple realizes something that the fellows putting 5 gigapixel cameras in phones do not, and that is that people are usually sending, and receiving these on phones, so the file size needs to be right, and the resolution doesn't have to be astonishing. Second, no one is using their phone to take pictures of their kid's graduation.


I gotta admit - I was a nay sayer of the pic quality when the specs first came out - but you got it right. Sending huge files from and to phones is bad. Also - as another poster pointed out- if I want great pics, I will bring my camera, but if I just want average pics - the iPhone will be fine. Digital Swiss Army knife....

[Stella]

Next we'll have a front page rumour about a sighting of the iPhone protective case!

( you know, the ones that are completely useless and that you'd never use - and have to buy a 3rd party case that will be more practical!)

[MrSmith]

They look better than most phones I've seen. People complain that it's not high enough resolution, but I think that Apple realizes something that the fellows putting 5 gigapixel cameras in phones do not, and that is that people are usually sending, and receiving these on phones, so the file size needs to be right, and the resolution doesn't have to be astonishing. Second, no one is using their phone to take pictures of their kid's graduation.
True, but the point is I don't carry my digital camera everywhere with me but I do my phone and the 5 megapixels gives me the possibility of taking goodish pictures. (I say goodish because, to be honest, they aren't as good as a normal camera with the same megapixels.) The camera takes highest res pics but before mailing it asks what size I want to send (as in picture below).

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/8898/sizekh6.jpg

[Abstract]

I still dont get what the hype is all about?
the iphone is neat but not like it is going to change the world the second it comes out.
We know it exists, we know roughly what it can do.


Me neither. Wow, a photo from the iPhone. And? It's still going to be quite average (and likely the same 2 MP sensor used in other camera phones), and it isn't really in the 3.2 MP league yet, so they're just showing us camera-phone photos that you could have got from a camera-phone 2 years ago.

[bretm]

Interesting.

Both Preview, Photoshop CS1, and iPhoto do this. The web browsers I tried don't.

Since CS1 is doing it than this feature is either something that's been out there for a few years now or you and I are just crazy.

Does anyone know?

Errrrr..... what camera doesn't do this? And no, no web browser would display it any other way than natively.

[scottlinux]

I think it is :

It's not Aphex. Look at the caption:

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:www.flickr.com/photos/meriko/473537926/&q=%22Taken%20with%20an%20Apple%20iPhone%22

[Davowade]

It's Richard D. James (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_D_James)

Ah ha ha ha!

Classic.

[nagromme]

Errrrr..... what camera doesn't do this? And no, no web browser would display it any other way than natively.

Most cameras don't do that.

[photomaniac]

HERE IS AN APHEX TWIN PHOTO that looks just like him/her... it's scary how similar!

http://www.director-file.com/cunningham/aphex1.html

...only thing missing is the toast in the mouth :D

[Machead III]

Oh my christ, what a monster.

[Ryanr14]

we can't put anymore into the iRack, it'll start smoking!!

[macintel4me]

It's too bad the iPhone resolution isn't a widescreen format. I'd love it if I could get 1920x1080 on this thing. It would work perfectly on my :apple:TV. :D

[MagicWok]

They look better than most phones I've seen. People complain that it's not high enough resolution, but I think that Apple realizes something that the fellows putting 5 gigapixel cameras in phones do not, and that is that people are usually sending, and receiving these on phones, so the file size needs to be right, and the resolution doesn't have to be astonishing. Second, no one is using their phone to take pictures of their kid's graduation.

I don't buy that for one second, sorry.

I have a SonyErricson K800i, out for over a year, that takes pics at 3.2MP with a proper zenon flash. I can send the pictures I take at 3.2MP res to other phones, and the comparatively limited software will downscale the pic automatically, or offer me the option, before I send the message.

So your argument is just void, since uncomplicated phones can do the simple things which the iPhone should take in it's stride. The reason for leaving out at least a 3.2mp camera is beyond me, and regardless if some individuals will use it or not - I enjoy the fact I can take out one piece of hardware to take very good shots, that will beat the iPhone, and on a whim.

None of the arguments presented so far, justify using a weaker lens than what can be used.

[Bobthemonkey]

One of the key elements in the K800i's picture quality (and some other high-end phones) is the lens, rahter than the CCD. A 2mp with a good lens will give better images than a 3mp with a useless lens.

Most good 'western' phones [excluding some odd high end stuff - mostly SE Asia only) top out at 2mp, especially those the iPhone will be competing against. Providing Apple use a good lens, and uses good processing (some phone are dreadfull) 2mp is fine.

The only exception is the Nokia N95, which is 5mp, but is useless. - Really neads a touch-screen, is horribbly unstable[worse than Windows!) and doesn't work well - needs to be Applie-fied.

[lazyrighteye]

Pointed out earlier, perhaps.

APE: Alternative Press Expo, San Francisco, CA?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_Press_Expo

[dernhelm]

Dude looks like a lady!

This is by far and way the thread that has made me laugh the most in quite some time. I too thought it was a woman.

Then we get the "these pictures are great for a phone" posts, when these pictures are clearly bad. Most of that has to do with composition, overexposure, etc. But still these pictures can tell you nothing about how good the camera is.

Next we get the "wow! orientation information is stored" people. While it is cool that orientation information is stored, I expected nothing less from a phone that changes its entire visual presentation when you turn it sideways. That is a much more difficult problem to solve than storing the orientation information in pictures taken by its camera.

I get that everyone wants this phone to be a success, as do I, as I really want to see its technology seep down into the iPod line (I don't need the phone and 2yr commitment to AT&T). But this is really too much.

I have to stop reading, as people in neighboring cubes are starting to wonder...

[ANTMUZ]

If only the guy had read last week's OS X tip of the week - he'd have been able to figure out that exif data is embedded in an image! http://www.apple.com/pro/tips/exif_data.html

[spinko]

this is by far the dumbest thread I have ever seen.. pure speculation.. total waste of time..

[Sonofhaig]

What type of jelly are we looking at? Strawberry or grape? :p

All kidding aside, I don't think the camera aspects of the iphone
are that interesting compared to its other features.

[MarcelV]

Can we just stop making fun of how someone looks? I am sure all of you that comment on the looks, you all are looking like a movie star, don't you? Who the heck cares? All people have their own identity and there is no reason to poke fun of someone, because you don't agree. This was about the first picture available on the iPhone, but it became about the looks of someone? What a joke.... (OK, I am done ranting)

[lewchenko]

My response to this story.....


So what?


Is this even news or a rumour. Must be a real slow news day or something.

[dazzer21]

I ran a tool called ExifTool, and found more information from the iPhone photos which do seem to corroborate the claim that they were taken with an iPhone (note the following in bold). However, the one thing that may suggest an edit is that the modify date is 8 days after the creation date (in italics). However, it's worth noting that the Primary Platform, Device Manufacturer, Profile Creator, and Profile Copyright EXIF tags are NOT editable by ExifTool.

ExifTool Version Number : 6.87
File Name : 473537926ee73e03921oqh0.jpg
Directory : .
File Size : 265 kB
File Modification Date/Time : 2007:04:29 12:18:51
File Type : JPEG
MIME Type : image/jpeg
Make : Apple
Camera Model Name : iPhone
Orientation : Rotate 90 CW
Resolution Unit : inches
Modify Date : 2007:04:21 10:23:45
F Number : 2.8
Date/Time Original : 2007:04:21 10:23:45
Create Date : 2007:04:21 10:23:45
Color Space : sRGB
Exif Image Width : 1600
Exif Image Length : 1200
Gamma : 2.2
Compression : JPEG (old-style)
Thumbnail Offset : 343
Thumbnail Length : 8190
Profile CMM Type : appl
Profile Version : 2.2.0
Profile Class : Input Device Profile
Color Space Data : RGB
Profile Connection Space : XYZ
Profile Date Time : 2003:07:01 00:00:00
Profile File Signature : acsp
Primary Platform : Apple Computer Inc.
CMM Flags : Not Embedded, Independent
Device Manufacturer : appl
Device Model :
Device Attributes : Reflective, Glossy, Positive, Color
Rendering Intent : Perceptual
Connection Space Illuminant : 0.9642 1 0.82491
Profile Creator : appl
Profile ID : 0
Red Matrix Column : 0.45427 0.24263 0.01482
Green Matrix Column : 0.35332 0.67441 0.09042
Blue Matrix Column : 0.15662 0.08336 0.71953
Media White Point : 0.95047 1 1.0891
Chromatic Adaptation : 1.04788 0.02292 -0.0502 0.02957 0.99049 -0.01706 -0.00923 0.01508 0.75165
Red Tone Reproduction Curve : (Binary data 14 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Green Tone Reproduction Curve : (Binary data 14 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Blue Tone Reproduction Curve : (Binary data 14 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Profile Description : Camera RGB Profile
Profile Copyright : Copyright 2003 Apple Computer Inc., all rights reserved.
Profile Description ML : Camera RGB Profile
Image Width : 1600
Image Height : 1200
Aperture : 2.8
Image Size : 1600x1200
Thumbnail Image : (Binary data 8190 bytes, use -b option to extract)

Apple Computer Inc?!

[LastZion]

i dont' know, I think its pretty cool and relevent.

[BigPrince]

This shows Apple that there must be a market just for the new Apple Digital Camera.

[Maccus Aurelius]

Wow, so quickly do people forget that Apple is currently not delving into the market for point-and-shoot consumer level digital cameras. :rolleyes:

Frankly I couldn't care less about the overall image quality of the iPhone's camera, so long as it can take adequate to reasonably vivid shots of things I'd sooner just *relegate* to a camera phone rather than capture in a superior dedicated device. As long as it can capture enough details and color with good enough resolution....are we really going to sit here and nitpick and compare different phones? If the pictures it actually takes are grainy (like my Ericsson T610's horrible camera) then I can see the complaints. But c'mon.....it's a friggin phone, that does a great deal more things than take pictures.

[arn]

this is by far the dumbest thread I have ever seen.. pure speculation.. total waste of time..

I'ts not pure speculation.

An Apple Product Mananger who specifically works on the iPhone posted a photo that was EXIF tagged with "Apple iPhone". The photos were removed shortly after discovery.

arn

[rxse7en]

Make up some rumors already so we don't have to see this man-chick's mug anymore! :D

Forgot to add: The photo quality is excellent. Looks better than the 5mp Nokia N95 I saw reviewed. Very low noise and sharp. Nice.

[mac jones]

Uh, why is this thread still at the top of the list, it's been almost a full day?

Are they torturing us or something?

I think someone has a deranged sense of humor.

[dernhelm]

Apple Computer Inc?!

Copyright 2003. They were Apple Computer Inc in 2003.

[Clive At Five]

You guys are missing the point. This story isnt about the "quality" of the iPhone's built-in camera. Its just that the images were CREATED using the iPhone. If these are legit, its the first thing we've seen from iPhone ever, whether it be an application, wallpaper, ringtones, whatever.

Actually, one San Fransisco Starbucks employee received a prank call from Steve Jobs. That person has "seen" something from the iPhone.

Then there was that report a couple months ago about Steve being at a kids' soccer game leaning against a chain-link fence and talking on his iPhone. The crook who snapped the photo has "seen" something from the iPhone.

This is just the first direct confirmation of iPhones being out in the wild.

-Clive

[alec]

Is that girl standing next to delicious beef? Sweet, delicious Apple beef?

[akadmon]

Alright, can we move on to some other rumor? I'm getting indigestion every time I look at that dude, and those hunks of beef are positively nauseating!

[Peace]

Is that girl standing next to delicious beef? Sweet, delicious Apple beef?


Some Vegans might find that pic gross..As I do.

[lazyrighteye]

Anyone else notice the cat hair on his sweatshirt?
Maybe he was working on Leopard before being pulled over to help with the iPhone. :p

OK. Sorry. Guess I am that bored...

[sycho]

Some Vegans might find that pic gross..As I do.

That's good. Other people most likely won't find it gross. No need to make a big deal about a picture. That last point goes for the rest of you as well.

[akadmon]

I'ts not pure speculation.

An Apple Product Mananger who specifically works on the iPhone posted a photo that was EXIF tagged with "Apple iPhone". The photos were removed shortly after discovery.

arn

Which is exactly when this thread should have been removed from the server. :mad:

It's obvious the person does not wish to become a center of attention among a bunch of losers like us here. And has it even occurred to you that he/she may indeed lose their job over this? What glory is there in that for MR!?:confused: Yes, the person was foolish to post these pictures in the first place, but I would expect MR editors to be a little wiser about the possible consequences.

[Mars]

Some Vegans might find that pic gross..As I do.

And? I might find you gross, but who cares?
BTW I eat whale meat... It tastes delicious! Uhm!
I like carrots too... I just thought it was in your interest, as you informed me about your eating habits.
All the best,
-Mars

[Diatribe]

And? I might find you gross, but who cares?
BTW I eat whale meat... It tastes delicious! Uhm!
I like carrots too... I just thought it was in your interest, as you informed me about your eating habits.
All the best,
-Mars

Hehe, that made me laugh. Thanks. :)

[PDubNYC]

It's Richard D. James (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_D_James)

I'm Rick James, bitch

Couldn't be helped, sorry.

As for the discussion about a person at Apple being fired over thses pics, the only way I could see that happening is because they don't exactly show the iPhone's camera abilities at their best, as I am sure Apple would like to do.

[Maccus Aurelius]

Some Vegans might find that pic gross..As I do.

Pets that are fed tofu end up gnawing your eyeballs at night to compensate.

[sycho]

And? I might find you gross, but who cares?
BTW I eat whale meat... It tastes delicious! Uhm!
I like carrots too... I just thought it was in your interest, as you informed me about your eating habits.
All the best,
-Mars

excellent.

Also Peace, you'd hate to see my parents freezer right now. Why you ask, I'll tell you: 150lbs in Ground Beef, Roasts and Stakes. MMMM BEEF!!!!


I only do this to make a point, no one asked you about your eating habits, no one cares about your eating habits. That simple.

[dernhelm]

I'ts not pure speculation.

An Apple Product Mananger who specifically works on the iPhone posted a photo that was EXIF tagged with "Apple iPhone". The photos were removed shortly after discovery.

arn

And yet... somehow... this thread has devolved into almost total stupidity.

;)

[AidenShaw]

And yet... somehow... this thread has devolved into almost total stupidity.

Right - it's a great camera if the main debate is about whether the subject of the photo is a man or a woman.... ;)

[Darkroom]

http://images.macrumors.com/article/2007/04/29/473537926ee73e03921oqh0_300.jpg

haha... that guy eating the toast looks really creepy! apple should defo use this image in their ad campaigns...

[MagicWok]

This could all be pre-release marketing purposely 'leaked' by Apple to keep up interest, and spark more interest. :p

Oh well - it's fun to go around and around in circles hey? :apple:

[CJD2112]

excellent.

Also Peace, you'd hate to see my parents freezer right now. Why you ask, I'll tell you: 150lbs in Ground Beef, Roasts and Stakes. MMMM BEEF!!!!


I only do this to make a point, no one asked you about your eating habits, no one cares about your eating habits. That simple.

omg, now I have seen it all. This thread has gone from an iPhone camera discussion to what kinds of food people eat? LMAO

[glucker]

...come on, if these are real, then apple leaked them and no1 is gonna get fired, its all about getting ppl hyped up for it.

btw, great quaility if they're real, my k790 sucks compared to these, and it has 3.2 mgpxls

[SPUY767]

I don't buy that for one second, sorry.

I have a SonyErricson K800i, out for over a year, that takes pics at 3.2MP with a proper zenon flash. I can send the pictures I take at 3.2MP res to other phones, and the comparatively limited software will downscale the pic automatically, or offer me the option, before I send the message.

So your argument is just void, since uncomplicated phones can do the simple things which the iPhone should take in it's stride. The reason for leaving out at least a 3.2mp camera is beyond me, and regardless if some individuals will use it or not - I enjoy the fact I can take out one piece of hardware to take very good shots, that will beat the iPhone, and on a whim.

None of the arguments presented so far, justify using a weaker lens than what can be used.

Maybe the fact that I have a 13MP DSLR makes me not care about the image quality that my phone produces images at.

[Macfinger]

& OMG ... that is one UGLY piece o' toast !! (quivers)

you'd never catch me putting anything like that near my mouth (let alone my iPhone) ... these photos look disturburbing and that red ***** looks spooky ...

my bet - this is ********* - anyone can edit EXIF data.

[KingofAwesome]

Should you guys really be reporting on this when the person in question is likely to get fired because of it? I mean, publishing rumours is on thing, but haven't you guys ever heard of ethics in journalism? It would be simple enough to state that "Mac Rumours has independentally confirmed that the photos are authentic" without publishing the department and team on which the person works. Don't most journalists usually refrain from outting thier sources in the interest of integrity and their effort to preserve effectiveness of the First Ammendment? ThinkSecret went to court to preserve this right for all of the rumour sites and you guys have just sort of tossed that effort out the window with this one. I'd advise any Apple insiders to stay clear of providing content to you guys in the future.

Oh, there's so much to pick apart here.

First, I don't think they're outing the source, because the source isn't the person who took the pictures. The source is the person who found the pictures on Flickr.

Second, regarding the "ethics in journalism": Considering you didn't write like a journalist, I'm assuming you aren't actually a journalist and you don't have quite as much authority regarding ethical guidelines as you've implied. I'm in the same boat so I can't point out exactly what the difference is between your version and the real one, but I would be very surprised if this was an example of MR violating some universally recognized code of ethics for journalism. These pictures were not sent in by a whistleblower who wanted to expose corruption, they were from a person who found some publicly available images after cleverly searching for a certain string.

Third, regarding the statement: "I'd advise any Apple insiders to stay clear of providing content to you guys in the future." Are you a lawyer as well as a journalist? Most people who assume a lot of authority in several specialized areas tend to have very little authority in any area.

[RRK]

& OMG ... that is one UGLY piece o' toast !! (quivers)

The question is, while he is eating the toast, is the life meter going up or down? If only we had the first Apple iPhone video! :D

[KingofAwesome]

The question is, while he is eating the toast, is the life meter going up or down? If only we had the first Apple iPhone video! :D

You'd think his manna meter would be going up. I also find it interesting that he has an iPhone and toast in his inventory and he's able to use both at once! Everything I've read indicated that the iPhone would be a two-handed item, like the Bastard Sword.

[e-coli]

I imported the photo into iPhoto. All the EXIF data came with it. I turned on iPhoto's GeoTagging (InfoPanel.nib) and it looks like the iPhone doesn't support GeoTagging. That's disappointing.