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gkarris
May 5, 2007, 03:58 PM
Here it is...

http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9714156-7.html?tag=tb

April 30, 2007 1:01 PM PDT
Sony offers goat sacrifice to 'God of War'
Posted by Greg Sandoval
Many believe violent video games are unhealthy for kids. Last month, Sony proved it: a decapitated goat was the centerpiece of a party the company threw in Greece to promote the PlayStation 2 title God of War II.

The theatrical dramatization, which according to reports, also featured topless women feeding grapes to partygoers, was supposed to be in keeping with the video game's Greek mythology theme. But according to media reports from Europe, animal rights groups were outraged and video game critics said the scene was symbolic of the industry's blood lust.

Sony issued a press release apologizing and also denied some reports that party guests were invited to dine on offal removed from the goat's stomach.

Being accused of butchering a goat to sell video games couldn't come at a worse time for Sony. Observers were already questioning the company's instincts on consumer tastes following the dismal debut of the PS3 video game console. Detractors are sure to point out that by presenting a slaughtered animal as a conversation piece, Sony is guilty of the poorest taste.

Sony said the goat was acquired by a butcher in Athens, where the party was held. Taking a page out of the reality TV genre, promoters created a list of challenges for the journalists in attendance. Sony later explained that the "entrails" that partygoers were invited to feast on were really a meat soup provided by a local caterer.

Sony has launched an internal investigation, the company said in a statement.

"The goat was returned to the butcher," Sony said. "On this occasion we recognize that we fell short of our normal high standards of conduct."

This one's my favorite response:

Goat Carcass, It's Not Just For Breakfast Any More
Reader post by: open-mind
Posted on: April 30, 2007, 10:49 PM PDT
Story: Sony PlayStation: once a hero now a goat
In fact, raw goat is becoming the preferred finger-food at all the
popular technology events. And 4 out of 5 strippers recommend
goat carcass as a daily source of protein:

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/04_03/sonygoatMS2804_468x448.jpg

Personally, I prefer goat carcass slowly roasted over a large pile
of flaming Sony batteries.

Welcome to the world of Sony.



Dagless
May 5, 2007, 04:35 PM
With the PSP the weakest handheld and the PS3 the weakest console, they need to find a better advertising agency. Really is past a joke at this stage.

rockthecasbah
May 5, 2007, 04:53 PM
I'd get over the goat pretty quickly with hot topless women feeding me :)

gloss
May 5, 2007, 05:26 PM
I don't see why this is being made into such a big deal. Greeks kill goats and eat them on a regular basis (read: any major holiday).

gkarris
May 5, 2007, 06:06 PM
I don't see why this is being made into such a big deal. Greeks kill goats and eat them on a regular basis (read: any major holiday).

I'm half Greek - I think it's more about the centerpiece...

Sparky8
May 5, 2007, 07:47 PM
Sony didnt kill the goat and it wasnt killed for the event. The original article was written by a guy who wasn't there, nobody ate any goat entrails (it was soup) and nobody even touched the goat

gkarris
May 5, 2007, 11:01 PM
Sony didnt kill the goat and it wasnt killed for the event. The original article was written by a guy who wasn't there, nobody ate any goat entrails (it was soup) and nobody even touched the goat

It's about the centerpiece - and topless women...

Maybe for the next version of "Destroy All Humans", Microsoft should use as a centerpiece a disembowled cow and topless alien women...

Sparky8
May 6, 2007, 04:13 AM
It's about the centerpiece - and topless women...

Maybe for the next version of "Destroy All Humans", Microsoft should use as a centerpiece a disembowled cow and topless alien women...

whats wrong with topless women? it was a press event not a public gathering. they can do what they please

Dagless
May 6, 2007, 06:18 AM
they can do what they please

Oh they have been doing and look at the backlash.

gkarris
May 6, 2007, 07:35 AM
whats wrong with topless women? it was a press event not a public gathering. they can do what they please

I wasn't invited...:mad:

Coded-Dude
May 7, 2007, 11:37 AM
Just goes to show you that journalist will write whatever garbage they can to get hits on their article.

Dagless
May 7, 2007, 11:48 AM
Yea, because this sort of press event for a game is a good idea.

Coded-Dude
May 7, 2007, 11:56 AM
God of War, one of the most highly acclaimed games(as of late) has a successor.......
Of course they are going to throw a THEMED PARTY! Thats like going to a Civil War re-enactment and getting upset because there were people dressed up as slaves. This is just childish.....get over it.

it5five
May 7, 2007, 12:12 PM
God of War, one of the most highly acclaimed games(as of late) has a successor.......
Of course they are going to throw a THEMED PARTY! Thats like going to a Civil War re-enactment and getting upset because there were people dressed up as slaves. This is just childish.....get over it.

Why would people be dressed up as slaves at a Civil War re-enactment? Don't most Civil War re-enactments re-enact battles? I wasn't aware they had plantation re-enactments.

Nobody is upset about the themed party. What people are upset about is that a dead goat was used as a centerpiece. They just had a headless goat lying on a table. It's creepy and a waste. A headless goat wasn't required to throw a themed party.

Coded-Dude
May 7, 2007, 12:20 PM
Why wouldn't GREEK GODS have a sacrificial lamb/goat and attractive women bathing them with kindness.........:rolleyes:
You're response on slavery tells me a lot about how informed you really are.

off-topic lesson of hte day
SLAVE LABOR WITH THE CONFEDERATE MILITARY.

Despite such subversion by the slaves, the Confederacy nevertheless successfully used them to advance its war effort. White Southerners, though convinced of the African Americans inherent inferiority, were far less reluctant about putting the slaves to work militarily than were white Northerners. The Confederate government never used them as soldiers, but it did press them into labor brigades to build fortifications, dig latrines, and haul supplies. Tens of thousands of slaves toiled for the Confederacy in a service both the bondsmen and their owners disliked. For the slave impressed into labor on the front-line, the work frequently was not only harder than that on the plantation but also dangerous. Because of the possibility of escape through Union lines, slaves at the front were much mote closely supervised than on their home farms. Moreover, those sent to work with the Confederate army were usually men in their prime, between eighteen and forty. Service with the army denied them their accustomed time with their wife and family.


The slave owners, for their part, were reluctant to send their bondsmen to the front for two reasons. First, they risked the loss of their most valuable property, and, second, because the men were usually overworked and mistreated, they frequently returned to their homes in very poor physical condition. Thus, the owners often contrived to send only their most unmanageable and therefore least marketable slaves to the army. During the war, threatening to send a slave to the front became the disciplinary equivalent of threatening to sell a slave farther South in antebellum days. Ironically, as the South's cause became more desperate, masters were increasingly reluctant to send their slaves to the military. Slavery was dying, yet those with the most to lose hung on tenaciously to their human property, thereby withholding the one remaining resource that might have saved their nation--and them.


The exigencies of war also finally settled the decades-old debate as to whether slaves could be used safely and efficiently in industry. The shortage of white manpower left the South with no other choice than to put slaves to work in its factories and mines. In the Tredegar Iron Works of Richmond alone, thousands of slaves were employed. The Augusta munitions plants of Georgia likewise were primarily staffed by bondsmen. Thousands of others labored in the ultimately futile effort to keep Southern rail lines operating. As with service on the front lines, this labor--especially in extractive industries like the coal mines and salt factories--was harsher than life on the plantation, and slaves resisted it if they could. Many made the long-delayed decision to run away when faced with such dire prospects.


Although their service was extracted involuntarily, slaves in industry and on the battlefield enabled the South to fight on longer than would have been possible otherwise. In the final desperate days of the war, the Confederacy even considered using blacks as soldiers, offering emancipation as a reward. The Union had struck that bargain two years earlier. The Southern proposal was made in February 1865 and approved, in part, on March 13 of that year. By then Southerners of both races knew the Confederacy was doomed. Richmond fell less than thirty days later. The provision was never implemented and no slaves officially served as soldiers in the Confederate Military.

it5five
May 7, 2007, 12:26 PM
Your in-ability to think, then insult shows a lot about your intelligence.

Yes, I am aware that slaves fought for both sides in the Civil War.

If you've ever seen a re-enactment and have any shred of common sense, you'd know that there aren't a whole lot of African-Americans jumping at the chance to re-enact that particular part of the Civil War. That's why I said you'd never see "slaves" at a re-enactment. Nobody would want to subject themselves to "pretend-slave" time for hours on end.

Coded-Dude
May 7, 2007, 12:33 PM
I wasn't aware they had plantation re-enactments.

So, is that a joke or an insult.....?
I only reacted to your statement in a similar manner as you did to mine.

Yes I have been to them, in fact they are having one right down the street from my buddy's house in a couple weeks. Have you?

you'd know that there aren't a whole lot of African-Americans jumping at the chance to re-enact that particular part of the Civil War.
Way to show how wrong I am by posting your opinion of what "a lot" of "African-Americans" think.

I have seen slaves at CW re-enactments. I guess I was seeing things, or you know more about what I have/haven't seen.

Please explain how ANY of the Sony party was NOT in tune with GREEK MYTHOLOGY?
Since I am just sitting here ignorantly insulting everybody........

it5five
May 7, 2007, 12:40 PM
So, is that a joke or an insult.....?
I only reacted to your statement in a similar manner as you did to mine.

Yes I have been to them, in fact they are having one right down the street from my buddy's house in a couple weeks. Have you?


Way to show how wrong I am by posting your opinion of what "a lot"...."African-Americans" think.

I have seen slaves at CW re-enactments. I guess I was seeing things, or you know more about what I have/haven't seen.

Please explain how ANY of the Sony party was NOT in tune with GREEK MYTHOLOGY?
Since I am just sitting here ignorantly insulting everybody........

You must go to some messed up re-enactments. I hadn't seen any slaves at any CW re-enactment I've seen.

To move this back on-topic: Yes, the Sony party was in tune with Greek mythology. But it didn't have to have a HEADLESS GOAT lying on a table to have that party though. They could have NOT had the goat, and it still would have been a themed party.

Dagless
May 7, 2007, 12:44 PM
They could have NOT had the goat, and it still would have been a themed party.

Exactly the point. SDF just can't see that. They'll be telling us rootkit was a good idea next.

Coded-Dude
May 7, 2007, 12:48 PM
off-topic/ I'm not saying during the re-enactments they were degraded for authenticity.
But slaves were a major part of the war, and thus should be there.....regardless, I am sure soem one would be offended about it. (just like this party). /off-topic

While I agree that a decapitated goat may seem a bit extreme to some, I would be more apt to ask what kind of person would go to an INVITE ONLY GREEK MYTHOLOGY party, and get upset about the the decor. IF this is offensive, then I would love to see these how the people react at children with blood painted fangs and other such gore on Halloween.

Like I said: childish

it5five
May 7, 2007, 12:57 PM
off-topic/ I'm not saying during the re-enactments they were degraded for authenticity.
But slaves were a major part of the war, and thus should be there.....regardless, I am sure soem one would be offended about it. (just like this party). /off-topic

While I agree that a decapitated goat may seem a bit extreme to some, I would be more apt to ask what kind of person would go to an INVITE ONLY GREEK MYTHOLOGY party, and get upset about the the decor. IF this is offensive, then I would love to see these how the people react at children with blood painted fangs and other such gore on Halloween.

Like I said: childish

Lets think about this for a second.

Halloween costumes = FAKE

Dead headless goad lying on a table = REAL

off-topic/Yes, slaves were a major part of the war. Maybe I just fail to see the reasoning behind re-enacting that particular aspect of it. Then again, I really don't see the point in re-enactments in general, so maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

(oh, and jimmi, check your PM box) :)

zelmo
May 7, 2007, 01:01 PM
While I don't think having a real headless goat on the table was in good taste, I also don't think it is all that newsworthy.
I think that some folks just love to climb on the Bash Sony train. Lord knows it runs slow enough to jump on and makes frequent stops.;)

Coded-Dude
May 7, 2007, 01:05 PM
Yesh.......but all in all, Sony wins AGAIN! :cool:

God of War II is scheduled to go on sale in Australia on Thursday, and Christie remarked how the "exaggeration of actual events" by the tabloid would probably have a positive impact on sales.

Sony is unapologetic about the game's high level of violence, boasting in its advertising materials that it is an "adult-rated, fast-paced bloodbath".

In Australia, the game is rated MA15+ - the highest rating - which means that children under the age of 15 who use the game must be accompanied by an adult.

gkarris
May 7, 2007, 07:32 PM
Yesh.......but all in all, Sony wins AGAIN! :cool:

Yep, Sony got us talking about it - free word-of-mouth marketing...

Nintendo should respond on the next release of Mario for Wii with a themed party and Mario's head on a platter....:eek:

Microsoft: Pinata heads everywhere!!!

Dagless
May 7, 2007, 08:58 PM
Word of mouth advertising - not always a good thing. We all joked about the PS3 before that came out. Everyone was talking about, just not in the way Sony wanted. None of the above bought one.

What I'd really love to see is somebody post the review Live (not associated with Daily Mail, from the editor who does the games section) wrote for GoW as a whole. we threw the paper out now but they went on about "shoehorning in greek gods that bear no real reference or mythology, shaping them to the games own design" and going on about "Overly voilent to entertain the kids, little substance". Something about "a storyline about revenge that feels out of place".

They probably foresaw the "free advertising" slyness of Sony and stuck in the review just to throw people off. Quite beautiful really.

Sky Blue
May 8, 2007, 08:55 AM
Thats like going to a Civil War re-enactment and getting upset because there were people dressed up as slaves.

I..huh...

what
the
hell?

Coded-Dude
May 8, 2007, 10:13 AM
The point was simple, everything these tardbang journalist and animal right's activist are complaining about are baseless childish rants.
They were all part of Greek Mythology and went along with the THEME of the party.
*no goat was harmed for the sake of this party*

If your and adult and you get invited to an adult party, expect to see adult oriented things.

GROW UP!!!!!!
(that message is not to anybody here, but for the fools that think this was actually wrong)

it5five
May 8, 2007, 12:13 PM
The point was simple, everything these tardbang journalist and animal right's activist are complaining about are baseless childish rants.
They were all part of Greek Mythology and went along with the THEME of the party.
*no goat was harmed for the sake of this party*

If your and adult and you get invited to an adult party, expect to see adult oriented things.

GROW UP!!!!!!
(that message is not to anybody here, but for the fools that think this was actually wrong)

As an animal rights activitst, I happen to think it was wrong. Guess I need to grow up, go play dress up and hang around a dead goat. ;)

Try to understand this:

Party with people dressed up as Gods and topless women feeding them grapes WITH dead goat = Themed party

Party with people dressed up as Gods and topless women feeding them grapes WITHOUT dead goat = Themed party

Yes, at least Sony got a goat that was already dead, but it is still stupid to have a headless goat on a table as a centerpiece. If they really wanted to go along with the mythology they should have all dove in and ate it. Instead they used it as a prop.

Dagless
May 8, 2007, 12:20 PM
Why do they even need a themed party? There is such content of mythology in GoW a themed party isn't needed.

Coded-Dude
May 8, 2007, 12:34 PM
it5five, you were not invited, and were not directly/indirectly affected, so why is this wrong?

I understand hwy you don't like it, but that is life, you gonna gain something from complaining?
I'm not tryring to provoke you here, but understand, you may not like gay porn/sex, but it happens everyday.
Will complaining make it better, or make it disappear.

To each his own.
Also, are you a vegetarian? just curious.

Why do they even need a themed party? There is such content of mythology in GoW a themed party isn't needed.
I'll quote you on that the next time ninty does something similar :rolleyes:

it5five
May 8, 2007, 12:47 PM
it5five, you were not invited, and were not directly/indirectly affected, so why is this wrong?

I understand hwy you don't like it, but that is life, you gonna gain something from complaining?
I'm not tryring to provoke you here, but understand, you may not like gay porn/sex, but it happens everyday.
Will complaining make it better, or make it disappear.

To each his own.
Also, are you a vegetarian? just curious.


I'll quote you on that the next time ninty does something similar :rolleyes:

So I have to be invited to the party to believe that using a dead goat as a prop is wrong? Look, I'm not trying to make this into a big deal. I hate those loud in your face vegetarians that shove their opinion in everyones face. If somebody else eats meat, I don't mind, and I don't go around advertising the fact that I'm a vegetarian. If someone asks, I'll tell, but otherwise I just let people eat what they want without getting a lecture about it.

I just think it's stupid to have the dead goat as a prop. If they really wanted to use "mythology" as an excuse, they should have been eating the goat. Also I'm pretty sure that even though they returned it to the butcher, the thing isn't safe for consumption anymore since it was lying on a table at a party. So instead that goat being killed for food, it was killed to be used as prop.

Coded-Dude
May 8, 2007, 12:59 PM
No.......you have every right to believe it is wrong, but that doesn't make it wrong.
I agree Sony could have done something more thoughtful to those who hold similar beliefs as you(not necessarily the same beliefs), but they had every right to do what they did, and the negative PR is rather absurd.

It was an adult oriented party with an adult oriented theme, and I am sure everybdoy that was invited rather enjoyed it.
Its the people that want to make headlines that are making a big fuss, or people that are easily offended.

They are not gonna sleep at night now, and Sony owes them retribution for the harm they casued.
(yes there are wack-jobs out there that really believe this too)

I apologize if my statement abotu animal rights offended you, as it was not meant to.
I also appreciate you position, as it is your choice.

HOWEVER, that does not negate the point that the whole thing(negative PR) is rather childish.
I could go around blasting everybody for not believing what I believe, but thats called blamestorming, and is counterproductive.

I have nothing against anybody that does not agree with what happened, but I do think its childish to make a big public fuss about it.

Dagless
May 8, 2007, 01:07 PM
I'll quote you on that the next time ninty does something similar :rolleyes:

And you're the guy telling people to grow up in this thread :rolleyes: Almost as hypocritical as the SDF people saying Nintendo makes too many sequels.

Also, Nintendo have done similar events like this when?

Coded-Dude
May 8, 2007, 01:09 PM
its a release party jimmi, if you don't understand why they did it, you never will ffs.
btw - GoW2 owns your soul, and is owning all other US software titles.

March 07
1. PS2 God of War II - 833,000
2. 360 Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter 2 - 394,000
3. 360 Guitar Hero II - 291,000
4. Wii Play - 273,000
5. PS3 MotorStorm - 199,000
3. NDS Diddy Kong Racing - 189,000
7. NDS Spectrobes - 165,000
8. 360 Major League Baseball 2K7 - 165,000
9. PS2 MLB 07: The Show - 164,000
10. 360 Def Jam Icon - 148,000

it5five
May 8, 2007, 01:10 PM
No.......you have every right to believe it is wrong, but that doesn't make it wrong.
I agree Sony could have done something more thoughtful to those who hold similar beliefs as you(not necessarily the same beliefs), but they had every right to do what they did, and the negative PR is rather absurd.

It was an adult oriented party with an adult oriented theme, and I am sure everybdoy that was invited rather enjoyed it.
Its the people that want to make headlines that are making a big fuss, or people that are easily offended.

They are not gonna sleep at night now, and Sony owes them retribution for the harm they casued.
(yes there are wack-jobs out there that really believe this too)

I apologize if my statement abotu animal rights offended you, as it was not meant to.
I also appreciate you position, as it is your choice.

HOWEVER, that does not negate the point that the whole thing(negative PR) is rather childish.
I could go around blasting everybody for not believing what I believe, but thats called blamestorming, and is counterproductive.

I have nothing against anybody that does not agree with what happened, but I do think its childish to make a big public fuss about it.

I agree that it was made out to be a much bigger deal than it actually is.

You didn't offend me with the animal rights comments. It usually takes a lot more than that for me to get upset about something someone says.

Dagless
May 8, 2007, 01:24 PM
its a release party jimmi, if you don't understand why they did it, you never will ffs.

Haha, way to miss what I said. Way to go, indeed!

My message was in direct relaliation to what you said about "If Nintendo does something similar in the future". Not about press events as a whole. You'd have thought you might have understood that since I directly quoted you. Ho hum.

Coded-Dude
May 8, 2007, 01:34 PM
Why do they even need a themed party?
its a release party jimmi, if you don't understand why they did it, you never will ffs.
I'll quote you on that the next time ninty does something similar
And you're the guy telling people to grow up in this thread

"Hello world."

I never told anybody here to grow up either........can you just stop now.

Nintendo doesn't throw parties(themed or not)? Why the **** would they do something like that!

Dagless
May 8, 2007, 01:50 PM
I like how the world over it's an army of people against this and the little SDF fanboys trying to make it all okay.

GROW UP!!!!!!

Course Nintendo do themed parties. They just released Pokemon in NYC with a big event. Did they think it wise to fight real animals for the event? no. :rolleyes:

Coded-Dude
May 8, 2007, 02:00 PM
your unctuous exaggerations will not work jimmi......i really don't care.
this is sad and childish, and this type of news is propagated by fan boys not defended by them.

I'm sitting here trying to bring you back to level, but you are getting out there man.
btw - I didn't know there were REAL animals in POKEMON mythology.......:cool:

SACRAFICING GOATS IS PART OF GREEK MYTHOLOGY - get it yet?

anywho this is a tireless circle - most get my point.......others still don't, either way, I'm done.