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sam10685
May 7, 2007, 11:57 AM
Just curious.



Coded-Dude
May 7, 2007, 11:58 AM
^opinion

> more opinion

\/ even more opinion


There this thread is done....

calculus
May 7, 2007, 11:59 AM
^opinion

> more opinion

\/ even more opinion




You are completely wrong, and what's more...

sam10685
May 7, 2007, 12:03 PM
^opinion

> more opinion

\/ even more opinion


There this thread is done....

Oops. Forgot to say this was going to be a poll.

Coded-Dude
May 7, 2007, 12:05 PM
I'll just say this.....movies were the primary software seller for the PS2, PS3, and PSP.
If you think the games are not coming for PS3 you are naive. Sells are doing fine.
They could be better, but they coudl also be alot worse. Expect these(even though none are posted here, lol) numbers to go up, once the AAA titles really start to roll out.

.....continue with more opinion...... ;)

Dagless
May 7, 2007, 12:09 PM
OMG opinion on the internet! Shut the site down, Arn!

PS3 is flailing around somewhat. I suppose this is what happens when you have content for your customers, moronic claims and simply price out the regular joe. But we always knew this was going to happen for the above reasons, waaay before launch.

Interestingly, both the Wii and DS have double the number of sales as their competition (cept the 360. which I still need for Halo 3 and Forza 2)

Coded-Dude
May 7, 2007, 12:15 PM
They could make moronic claims, have lack of content, low prices and fail to meet demand.
Something the other two had issues with.

epochblue
May 7, 2007, 12:19 PM
Things will improve for the PS3 once they start getting out the software titles that people really want. The other possibility is that people buy it for Blu-Ray....although, I think BR sales are pretty lackluster still too.

Either way, they'll go up eventually.

Coded-Dude
May 7, 2007, 12:22 PM
umm......blu-ray is smashing sales records. ;)

juanster
May 7, 2007, 12:23 PM
i have a feeling in a year or two when ps3 are as available as the other 2 consoles and their "real" games come out numbers will easily go over their competion both of them put together, give a year....

takao
May 7, 2007, 12:49 PM
i guess it depends on where you take the sales numbers
in the US and some parts of europe they are quite content with them i guess
in japan on the other side they a probably grinding their axes:
in april they sold around 12k PS3 per week .. which means roughly the same as the PS2 during april
sounds good until you realize that april/07 has been the month with the _worst sales ever_ for the PS2 since it's launch 6 years ago

software sales per plattform last week (the week before golden week):

ps3 11k
xbox360 17k
psp 61k
ps2 154k
Wii 285k
DS 940k

xbox360 selling more games with half the installed console userbase than the ps3 ?
5 months ago i would have laughed but this isn't funny anymore...

michaelltd
May 7, 2007, 12:56 PM
Since PS3 is in third currently, I expect them to be pushing the hardest.

Keep an eye on Sony this E3... ;)

Coded-Dude
May 7, 2007, 12:57 PM
442 360 titles
268 PS3 titles

That is from GameSpot, and many of those are in development(especially for PS3).
XBOX gaming software should be outselling - there's more of it. :p
Also, as stated; with any new PlayStation, movies are the top seller until the games arrive.

ChrisK018
May 7, 2007, 01:06 PM
I boldly predict that more PS3's will sell.

They need games. Not so sure that the Blu-Ray player will be as advantageous as the PS2's DVD player was. The reason I say this is that with downloadable movies becoming more feasible, movies on discs won't be as desirable.

This will not happen overnight. In music, compact disc sales have not been doing so hot after their golden years of raking in cash while people were upgrading their vinyl collections. Same could be said for the VHS to DVD converts. Downloading music has become a very important part of music.

With the Blu-Ray/HD DVD still sorting themselves out and downloadable movies arriving, I don't think this format, as far as films go, will be a smash.

So, I repeat: they need some more cool games!!!

Coded-Dude
May 7, 2007, 01:10 PM
An optical disc solutoin will be around for at least 20 years to come

Unless, all these major media/software distributors want to completely abandon tech starved countries.
Not everyone has the same technology at their fingertips.

We will see a winner, or we'll see these two kill each other and wathc anoterh format emerge
*cough HVD cough*

takao
May 7, 2007, 01:22 PM
442 360 titles
268 PS3 titles

That is from GameSpot, and many of those are in development(especially for PS3).
XBOX gaming software should be outselling - there's more of it. :p
Also, as stated; with any new PlayStation, movies are the top seller until the games arrive.

which games ? care to mention one which get's released in japan in the next 3 months ?

and on movies
http://www.toptechnews.com/story.xhtml?story_id=0030009XBENL
1,2 million blu-ray discs since the launch of the medium last year ...
this first quarter of this year ~850k blu ray discs have been sold

that makes 284k per month ... world wide
let's say there are roughly 4,25 weeks per month
that makes 67k blu ray discs per week .. again world wide

so let's say japan buys half of them and the rest of the world the other half (which very likely is off: i suspect the rest of the world buying more)

that would amount for 34k blu ray discs per week
combine with the ps3 software sales that would make 45k
congratulations: you just made it on place 5 in the japanese game charts just behind wii sports who made 51k alone (22th week) with combining all games and movies sales for your whole plattform

ChrisK018
May 7, 2007, 01:34 PM
^I agree that discs are not going to die quickly; I like how some developing countries have managed to skip past land-lines and gone straight to cell phones. I hope some very smart person firgures out a way to do that with computer technology.

Numbers of video game titles in development or ready for purchase mean very little to me. Of the hundreds of games, I will only end up liking a hand full of them. The Halo franchise saved Microsoft's rear end and allowed them to develop a few other exclusive titles.

I'd like to see a super-awesome PS3 game that Sony can hitch a star to. So far they have no games I want to by their fancy platform to play.

Coded-Dude
May 7, 2007, 01:34 PM
I'm not trying to count BD sales into gaming software sales.

Merely pointing out a trend that happens for almost every PlayStation product.
So for those that think current sales will continue to be the norm, you are badly mistaken.

As for the number of software titles, well, thats going to help sales.
50 games vs 150 games(estimate) I wonder which platform is gonna have better software sales figures.

Sparky8
May 7, 2007, 01:42 PM
PS3's better games are coming in July+ time. Judge it in Jan 08 at the earliest

takao
May 7, 2007, 02:10 PM
Merely pointing out a trend that happens for almost every PlayStation product.
So for those that think current sales will continue to be the norm, you are badly mistaken.

you know how long it took in japan for the ps2 to reach the same amount of installed user base that the PS3 has now achieved after 25 weeks (that's nearly half a year remember that) ?

yep less than _2_ weeks

the ps2 had roughly 2 millions more than what the ps3 has now after 25 weeks
the gamecube had 300k more

the ps3 needs games... and fast at that .. it's not like the last two times when the competition launches like a year later and the ps/ps2 can sell without any games
sure there a lot of ps3 games incoming .. but so are 360 and wii games
sony has catching up to do not falling behind more every week
when the n64 launched in japan the ps3 was ahead 2.6 millions
when the gc launched the ps3 was ahead 5,7 millions

Coded-Dude
May 7, 2007, 02:16 PM
Date X360 PS3

2007
-01/07 - 18,235 # 69,944
-01/14 - 9,035 # 25,531
-01/21 - 7,041 # 21,105
-01/28 - 7,365 # 19,996
-02/04 - 6,130 # 18,727
-02/11 - 4,811 # 23,431
-02/18 - 5,210 # 20,676
-02/25 - 4,183 # 19,315
-03/04 - 3,379 # 44,000
-03/11 - 3,333 # 32,115
-03/18 - 2,910 # 21,635
-03/25 - 3,492 # 20,459
-04/01 - 3,889 # 16,889
-04/08 - 2,963 # 14,520
-04/15 - 2,900 # 11,948
-04/22 - 2,307 # 11,000
-04/29 - 3,299 # 12,366

Total 90,482 403,657


I guess we should be just as worried about failing 360 sales?
There are a plenty of titles on the way.....don't worry about that.

takao
May 7, 2007, 02:29 PM
PS3's better games are coming in July+ time. Judge it in Jan 08 at the earliest

well the same is true for the others.. you know there are others who went through "games will come later this year" stuff.. as a rule of thumb you can easily add 3 months additionally and for others more like 6 months or with zelda at least a year

and of course i'll wait till january 08 but then i don't want to hear "wait until august until game xyz is released" .. you know i went through that with gamecube myself...

if you don't overtake the one launched earlier within the first year of both being on the market you are never going to make it
the system simply prefers the one being ahead since all developers want to develop games for the system with most hardware because most software can be sold there

edit: comparing with the xbox in japan is kinda a bad idea if you want to show how successful your console is ;)

Coded-Dude
May 7, 2007, 02:40 PM
yes, and total numbers are meaning less.

Just look at the install base in Japan. If you think Japanese devs are gonna focus more on 360, than PS3 you are high(no offense to anyone here - its just a figure of speech).
Region's and their respective developers will(potentially) have bigger impacts on the global markets, because of the local install base.

As I have always said the console war(this gen at least) is really only going to be relevant in America. /opinion
But there is still some time before that picture becomes clearer.

takao
May 7, 2007, 03:05 PM
yes, and total numbers are meaning less.

Just look at the install base in Japan. If you think Japanese devs are gonna focus more on 360, than PS3 you are high(no offense to anyone here - its just a figure of speech).

well i agree with that ... but would you say the same between wii and ps3 ?
installed base for 360 is roughly 400k
ps3 900k
wii 2,3 million

and in america and europe ps3 is third behind wii which is 2nd behind 360

sure no problems for game releases over the next year because all those got started more than a year ago where everybody thought ps3 was the safe way but you can bet on it that publishers/developers aren't exactly eager at the moment to have more ps3 exclusives after that

Coded-Dude
May 7, 2007, 03:15 PM
I think the differences in the console are such that they don't have to compete.
Both consoles could, in theory, go on to sell 100 million + each! (co-existence)
Most of Ninty's big sellers are their own IP. But they are trying to change that.

This is where we get deep into what if, and anything goes, so I tread these waters carefully.

But in my eyes, Sony and Microsoft are competing directly against one another
(let's face it, their consoles are very similar)
While Nintendo is competeing in the gaming market, they have alwasy been profitable and have always had somewhat of a niche place. Granted the Wii could(and is) changing a lot of that, but I don't think Ninty winning in profits and market share(instead of jsut profits) would have too much of an affect on what developers do between say PS3 and Wii or even 360 and Wii. A decision like that is probably made before market share is even considered.

I think we may see more focus on content innovation from devs(on Wii) as opposed to the inherent dumping of re-hashed junk onto every platform(cough EA cough), but again, this is all speculation and opnion.

takao
May 7, 2007, 03:53 PM
But in my eyes, Sony and Microsoft are competing directly against one another
(let's face it, their consoles are very similar)
While Nintendo is competeing in the gaming market, they have alwasy been profitable and have always had somewhat of a niche place. Granted the Wii could(and is) changing a lot of that, but I don't think Ninty winning in profits and market share(instead of jsut profits) would have too much of an affect on what developers do between say PS3 and Wii or even 360 and Wii. A decision like that is probably made before market share is even considered.

sony and microsoft are competing directly but i think Nintendo simply can't be left out of the equation especially in japan because japan is the market where Sony has a huge mind share lead over microsoft: ifsony get's into more problems because of a strong Nintendo, like because of some important japanese developers bringing their future series to the wii instead of ps3, or to the DS like it happened with dragon quest 9 (dragon quest was the best selling ps2 and ps1 game over there) they get get into mroe problems international not only because of those games lost but also in terms of sales towards microsoft which is really strong in US/UK

if now microsoft/nintendo came to the glorious/obvious idea to create their own versions of singstar/buzz or other versions of music/quiz games etc. then suddenly the european casual market might be not so sure for the PS too especially at the higher price point

it's the usual: 1 bite here 1 bite there and suddenly a company can be in problems
and we all know that financially Sony can't beat Microsoft
MS could very likely burn their money for producing electricity for free for their xbox customers and still wouldn't have money problems

Coded-Dude
May 7, 2007, 04:18 PM
very good points......(keep in mind that I am speaking of home consoles only)

My only concern about Nintendo is their previous gen results and their history of 3rd party dev support(or lack thereof).
PlayStation was a phenom, and it didn't affect SNES/N64 sales too much. PS2/Gamecube...different story. NOTE: both gens also had other influences(not just each other)

Anywho, what interests me the most is what happens after the dust settles.
Wii sales have to die down soon.....unless everybody in the world decides they need 10 each and just keep buying them. I also want to see how Nintendo drives the innovation of the Wii-Mote. For the sake of profit do they keep tech to themselves, or do they take a card from Sony and try and continually provide updated support for every aspect of developing on the respective platform.

Oh and MS can only burn so much money before said division starts going under the microscope. Investors don't like losing billions and billions of dollars year after year, and borrowing from profitable divisions is not a robust contingency. It affects things(like delaying OS release dates, etc.)

Not saying Ninty is not part of th equation, but that they are more of an assumed/implied factor.
They are here and here to stay, and I can say that(about Ninty) with more confidence, they I can with the other two(since they are in more of a direct completion)

The whole console war is now being fought by two of the three companies in one region(at least this gen).

Sparky8
May 7, 2007, 04:56 PM
very good points......(keep in mind that I am speaking of home consoles only)

My only concern about Nintendo is their previous gen results and their history of 3rd party dev support(or lack thereof).
PlayStation was a phenom, and it didn't affect SNES/N64 sales too much. PS2/Gamecube...different story. NOTE: both gens also had other influences(not just each other)

Anywho, what interests me the most is what happens after the dust settles.
Wii sales have to die down soon.....unless everybody in the world decides they need 10 each and just keep buying them. I also want to see how Nintendo drives the innovation of the Wii-Mote. For the sake of profit do they keep tech to themselves, or do they take a card from Sony and try and continually provide updated support for every aspect of developing on the respective platform.

Oh and MS can only burn so much money before said division starts going under the microscope. Investors don't like losing billions and billions of dollars year after year, and borrowing from profitable divisions is not a robust contingency. It affects things(like delaying OS release dates, etc.)

Not saying Ninty is not part of th equation, but that they are more of an assumed/implied factor.
They are here and here to stay, and I can say that(about Ninty) with more confidence, they I can with the other two(since they are in more of a direct completion)

The whole console war is now being fought by two of the three companies in one region(at least this gen).

Pretty much spot one.

MS recently made the claim that they'll be profitable next year, but the fact that with even 11 million 360 sales and the high level of Gold subscriber, they STILL (to what stretches back to the Beginning of the Xbox) aren't making a profit will have to worry some people eventually. Yes $5 billion isn't a lot to a company making 10 times that each year. But something' has got to give eventually

sikkinixx
May 7, 2007, 06:47 PM
On the original question, I think the PS3 is doing okay, not great but okay. 3 million units 6 months in isn't all that awesome but it did just launch in Europe a few months ago and it is expensive for the majority of people.

I think the lack of games is magnified because the 360 has a fairly strong library that it is pushing and the Wii has a few very solid games (and then a pile of crap) but if people remember back to last year the 360 had Oblivion and maybe Ghost Recon to tide us gamers over until summer and even then MS dropped the ball and didn't release a solid line up of killer games in the fall. And Nintendo fanatics who like so many of whom populate this forum (*coughjimbocough*) don't help it much in the PR department either (that and Sony kicking themselves in the ass a lot :))

Obviously when price drops a bit and some more games funnel out things will pick up but Halo 3 will help the 360 sales and Mario, if it is released, will help the Wii (not that it seems to need it right now).

I think the more shocking thing is how the 360 is selling right now, didn't they 'sell' 10 million by December? And now according to nexgenwars.com they are only at 10.7 million. Oh yeah, thats right. MS shipped out TONS of units to mask their sales to meet that goal....

Sony better hope that Home rocks the socks off of people and they get some damn good games out before xmas or Kaz is getting a lump of coal in his stocking.

takao
May 8, 2007, 03:21 AM
I think the more shocking thing is how the 360 is selling right now, didn't they 'sell' 10 million by December? And now according to nexgenwars.com they are only at 10.7 million. Oh yeah, thats right. MS shipped out TONS of units to mask their sales to meet that goal....

well in some cities it _looked like that_ especially over here in europe where there are no unified "sales counting" thing where it's easier to cheat a little

the big electronics chain in my hometown got like 250 last year in november and got paid to dedicate a whole long shelf to just the 360 boxes
but the shelf wasn' enough so they had additional piles in the coffee machine department, in the TV department and in the DVD department

and now half a year later they are perhaps halfway through their stock: you know my hometown has only 47.000 people it's not a big town where you sell 250 399 dollar consoles in christmas shopping season

in innsbruck it was similar except the piles got smaller faster (since it's bigger)

sure perhaps it makes business sense to have stock for half a year sitting on the shelves/in stores and not needing to ship for another half year, i don't know i'm not an expert
or perhaps they thought that a lot people would buy the 360 instead of the ps3 since it got delayed until march

i don't know the real total numbers but i suspect they aren't massively off
it's the old problem that you only got precise sales numbers from japan and the US and none from europe and europe is a market where a lot is decided this time because here the xbox isn't as strong as in the US but still selling okay

what's the installed 360 user base in the US ? no matter the number i can assure you it's 30% smaller here (360 goes best in UK,France and Spain afaik) add the two and add another 750k for the rest of the world including japan and you are quite close to the real number (i have now idea how high the NPD numbers are currently)