WWDC Keynote: G5 PowerMacs, iChat AV, Panther, More...

[MacRumors]

At the 2003 WWDC Keynote, Steve Job introduced Mac developers/users to the future of the Mac Platform... with a preview of Panther and well as the announcement of the new PowerMac G5's.

The live-transcript (http://www.macrumors.com/wwdc2003.html) provides the details, but the hilights include:

Panther Demo - with new features including FileVault, Expose, Fast PDF Viewing, revamped Finder and more...
iChat AV - with video/audio capabilities
iSight - Apple Web Cam
PowerMac G5's - Announced, Shipping in August.
New Quicktime Codec (Pixlets)
Safari Gold

The coverage was provided on IRC as well as live Web updates on both MacRumors.com and Chaosmint.com servers. I'd like to thank the users who volunteer their services. N30 and thegeek187 provided IRC transcription on Krono.net. Jammerb provided live audio so the keynote could be transcribed live at this site. As well, as the many ops/moderators/networks and other users offering assistance.

Individual articles detailing the products above will be coming, as well as a rumor wrapup ("Winners and Losers").

[justytylor]

Looks like we got the Pentium-killers we all wanted. Even the single-processor models are 20-30 percent faster than a 3 GHz Dell in some tests.

Other news that may have fallen through the cracks: Safari 1.0 (v85) is out, and it's official. There's not even the "bug" button.

[robbents99]

So glad I didn't get the webcam when I did...the enclosure looks good and so does the camera. My first real apple purchase...as soon as rev b comes outs! ;)

[Eslyjah]

Sure, but where's my wireless multi-button mouse? *Grin*

[icsedge1]

*drops dead*

I have two months two save up. Good thing I don't have much of a social life...easier to hoard money.

One question...do we really think the camera REQUIRES a 600 or faster G3? My Powerbook is 500...

Sedge

[pgwalsh]

Two Words.. **** Yeah

[d.f]

AMAZING!!!

it's funny how they announce these new G5's and my mac starts to crash in ie....... mmmmm maybe it's fate.

[Sonofhaig]

Wow! Talk about internet congestion! Was every Mac geek online today?
I must now view the Quicktime stream. Great stuff Apple!!

[jayscheuerle]

Think there will be a lull in G4 sales during July?

How do you fit 9 fans in a Powerbook?

[RHutch]

This went way beyond my expectations.

I've been checking back to see how long it would take for someone to complain that there were no Power Book updates.

Who will it be?

[wildmac]

It's well worth it for that price. I can't see anyone who does graphics work not getting the Dual 2Ghz.

Debt, here I come!!!!!

What is the word on availability of the new ram?....

[GPTurismo]

I am saving my pennies now.

So when in the HELL is panther being released?

[maradong]

ppc just rocks yeah apple.,yeah-yeah-yeah

[Vlade]

Can someone convince me a new computer is more important than a car?

[areyouwishing]

<bad joke>So when do we get to see the G6?</bad joke>

[pablol]

A great update from Apple! But if 3GHz models will be available within a year, I might actually be inclined to wait. My dual 800 G4 can probably get me thru a little longer.

[DTphonehome]

Originally posted by jayscheuerle
Think there will be a lull in G4 sales during July?

How do you fit 9 fans in a Powerbook?


You don't...at least not with this revision of the G5...you'll need a low-wattage chip. Maybe for a nice new Chanuka gift?

[wildmac]

Hey moderator....

can you do a poll here, who is going to buy which system?........

[pyrotoaster]

A simple round up.

G5: Yippee
Panther Features: Yippee
Panther Price: Argh
Powerbooks (15" in particular): Argh

[DTphonehome]

"We turned to IBM several years ago" -Steve Jobs

*Motorola weeps silently to self

[buffsldr]

Awesome.
Love the G5's.
iSight camera.... i will have to wait and see. I dont see myself buying it, just dont use iChat enough.
Safari, i can now vote in polls online, that is nice
Panther looks very cool, they've got my $
I wonder what will become of the G4 PowerMacs on eBay. How low can they go?

[tazznb]

Originally posted by Sonofhaig
Wow! Talk about internet congestion! Was every Mac geek online today?
I must now view the Quicktime stream. Great stuff Apple!!


Well, acutually it was every Mac Geek plus about half of the Windows users (consisting of haters, envyers, and appreciaters). :D

[Bengt77]

Brwahahahahaha!

(Or something like that...)

[MorganX]

Hardware is impressive. Kind of underwhelmed with Panther. Welcome additions though.

I'd like to see more than the usual Photoshop stuff. Shouldn't be long until we get more extensive benchmarks.

The case is good, better than the rumors.

Disappointed no adjustable monitors. Oh, well. Can't have everything.

[RHutch]

Originally posted by Vlade
Not quiet :)



Can someone convince me a new computer is more important than a car?

A car? Get yourself a bike and your transportation problems are solved. There's more than one way to get from here to there, but there's nothing like the systems we saw today.

[Raiden]

wow, I might really get one of the 3 gig ones when they come out next year. It will coincide nicely with the fact that next year I need a comp for college. :)

Yeah, at first I didnt want to believe the rumored specs, but now that they turn out to be real, and that the 970 is truely a pentium killer, I am so totally psyched!

W00t for apple, the masters of innovation!

[DStaal]

Love the new machines, wish I could afford one... (The bus is faster than my machine. And I bought it in January.)

Anyone else going to be waiting on Panther until they are sure PathFinder is ready for it? I'm worried about those new Finder windows. Maybe they'll be better in person, but I'm not going to count on it...

[Foxer]

Just placed my order for the dual 2.0 - the Apple Store site is moving a little slow:D

Pather looked much cooler than I expected - I guess it was lost in the G5 build-up. Wish we didn't have to wait until "the end of the year."

G5's look cool - I really think so.

Where are all those doubting Thomas's now, eh?

Let the counting of the days until August start!

[Cappy]

For anyone looking to purchase a new system you might want to wait until the techie folks check them out. Note the specs at Apple's site in that the 1.6 unit does not come with PCI-X slots(not really a huge issue to most) but the memory is ddr 333 as opposed to 400 for the 1.8 and dual 2Ghz models.

It will be interesting to find out if the system can truly make use of ddr 400 ram and if there are any other performance differences aside from the cpu differences of the systems. Based on this it would appear two different motherboard designs are being used.

[coolbreeze]

:eek: Maxing the RAM is more than the whole shebang itself:eek:

[mustang_dvs]

I really could care less about the looks of the G5 (though I question the ergonomics of getting rid of the mobo hinge) -- what bothers me is the apparently cramped confines of the interior, which limits us to 1 optical drive and two hard drives,according to the PowerMac webpage (http://www.apple.com/powermac/expansion.html).

Also, it appears that it may be a bit difficult to run cables from PCI cards (e.g., SCSI or ATA expansion buses) into the small hard drive bay.

I just don't understand why Apple decided to take a significant step backwards, especially since PowerMacs have been designed to easily handle more than 2 hard drives since the revision B Blue & White's.

[jayscheuerle]

Originally posted by DTphonehome
You don't...at least not with this revision of the G5...you'll need a low-wattage chip. Maybe for a nice new Chanuka gift?

Of course, 9 downward pointing mini-fans would turn the AlBooks into little hovercrafts, efectively keeping their hot little cases of your lap! :D

[RHutch]

Originally posted by RHutch

I've been checking back to see how long it would take for someone to complain that there were no Power Book updates.

Who will it be?



And the prize goes to . . .

Originally posted by pyrotoaster

Powerbooks (15" in particular): Argh

pyrotoaster:D


I'm somewhat disappointed too. I just bought a new tower. What I need is a new PB. I'm still hoping for something later this summer.

[jayscheuerle]

Originally posted by DTphonehome
You don't...at least not with this revision of the G5...you'll need a low-wattage chip. Maybe for a nice new Chanuka gift?

Of course, 9 downward pointing mini-fans would turn the AlBooks into little hovercrafts, efectively keeping their hot little cases off your lap! :D

[mistersquid]

Originally posted by RHutch
This went way beyond my expectations.

I've been checking back to see how long it would take for someone to complain that there were no Power Book updates.

Who will it be?

While I'm not the first, I am happy to make another non-updated Powerbook complaint, but first things first.

I saw the broadcast of the Keynote (my first, even though I've been with Apple since my Apple ][e) and I must say, Exposé is absolutely amazing. I'm also really impressed with the Apple take on Multiple User login. Slick, slick stuff.

The G5 tower looks like a cross between a gas grill, an oversized electric razor guard, and a muffler enclosure. It's streamlined, but a little on the brushed metal side for my tastes. The internal architecture, though, and Apple's decision to take on industry-standard benchmarking. Wow is all I can say.

And as I promised: I'm really REALLY really irked that the Powerbooks were not refreshed. Drag-o-matic. Oh, well.

For those who missed it, Panther is due by December 31. The G5 towers shipping by August. I'm hoping the VP of hardware is going to have something to introduce at CreativePro, perhaps something in the way of a 13" X 9" X 1" form factor?

[zimv20]

overall, i'm impressed and happy. couple of questions:

1. there's that airport antenna port -- does that mean no more internal antenna? (same thing w/ bluetooth)

2. some parts of apple.com (the store i think, but i can't bring it up right now), list the Radeon 9600. other parts say 9800. mistake? or will it initially ship w/ the 9600?

[pcp_ip]

Originally posted by zimv20
overall, i'm impressed and happy. couple of questions:

1. there's that airport antenna port -- does that mean no more internal antenna? (same thing w/ bluetooth)

2. some parts of apple.com (the store i think, but i can't bring it up right now), list the Radeon 9600. other parts say 9800. mistake? or will it initially ship w/ the 9600?


I just purchased a dual 2Ghz- and I can confirm- when I checked out, the 9600 was the only ati available. but the apple g5 pages clearly show 9800 benchmarks...

edit.

whoops. i guess i missed it. 9800 is available. calling to change that on my order.

[TheMightyG]

Originally posted by zimv20
overall, i'm impressed and happy. couple of questions:

1. there's that airport antenna port -- does that mean no more internal antenna? (same thing w/ bluetooth)

2. some parts of apple.com (the store i think, but i can't bring it up right now), list the Radeon 9600. other parts say 9800. mistake? or will it initially ship w/ the 9600?

ATI Radeon 9800 Pro is a $300.00 BTO option for all 3 systems.

[eric_n_dfw]

I know I'm officially a Mac Geek - I got shivers watching the G5 roll-out at the Willow Bend Apple store. I'm glad I got there when I did (10:15'ish) the place was packed! Standing room only.

Any other members here there today? (I was in the 2nd row of benches, far right)

[Bob Knob]

My order went through at 12:50pm (pacific) and no surprise, the store was S-L-O-W.
No version "A" fears here, my G4 PowerMac and my G4 PowerBook were all first day orders/purchases.

[Phelark]

2. some parts of apple.com (the store i think, but i can't bring it up right now), list the Radeon 9600. other parts say 9800. mistake? or will it initially ship w/ the 9600? [/B]

Zim, they're a build-to-order deal. Abeit a very cool one.

[BenDalton]

Browsing the apple store, I found a picture of the keyboard which had previously been floating around on banners and such in apple stores. Is there a new keyboard form factor officially?

note: I saw it on the second page of my 'order' adding extras.

[Macette]

I'm so happy I could cry.

Imagine the bar chart comparing my current B & W G3 350 with my new G5 Dual 2 Ghz!

When I bought my G3, they released the G4 about three months later, and I vowed I wouldn't buy another desktop until the G5. Well, here it is.

*chokes back tears of joy*

[cionheart]

Three words.

Thank you, Apple :-)

[DTphonehome]

Originally posted by jayscheuerle
Of course, 9 downward pointing mini-fans would turn the AlBooks into little hovercrafts, efectively keeping their hot little cases off your lap! :D

LOL! Leave it to Apple to solve 2 problems at once with such a tidy solution! That'll make the PC world jealous! :D

On another note, I was really impressed with the new machines...is it possible that there will be more updates to the product line as the WWDC progresses? It IS a multi-day affair. Maybe those new PBs are on the way.

My only real dissapointment is that they didn't come up with a clear Pentium crusher. Don't get me wrong, I know this machine is unbeatable by the PC world, but I would have loved to see a 3.5Ghz chip NOW, not in 12 months. There's few things I hate more than having to counter "aren't Macs slower than PC's?" with a long winded technical explanation of how the Macs are actually faster. To get real market share back, Apple needs to make it blatantly obvious to the average Joe that not only are Macs simpler to use, they are also blazingly fast. A 3 Ghz clockspeed would be a huge help. Especially since Intel just announed their 3.2 Ghz P4.

--DT

[dpbjr]

G5 - Looking at it from the side, I like the way the G5 looks like the X from the OSX logo. Pretty cool. It's subtle, but it's defintely there.

[DTphonehome]

Originally posted by BenDalton
Browsing the apple store, I found a picture of the keyboard which had previously been floating around on banners and such in apple stores. Is there a new keyboard form factor officially?

note: I saw it on the second page of my 'order' adding extras.

Ben, I couldn't get a very good look at the keyboard, but it does appear to be the new-ish one they have been shipping with the new iMacs lately. They have USB on the back, not the sides, and no legs to adjust the height. I don't think it's an all-new model. I could be wrong though.

--DT

[segastyle]

Originally posted by mustang_dvs
...limits us to 1 optical drive and two hard drives,according to the PowerMac webpage (http://www.apple.com/powermac/expansion.html).

...

I just don't understand why Apple decided to take a significant step backwards, especially since PowerMacs have been designed to easily handle more than 2 hard drives since the revision B Blue & White's.

i wholeheartedly agree. we've now gone from 4 possible hard drives to 2., and 2 possible optical drives to 1. this stinks in my opinion.

they've done a great job with the technical side of this machine, but a very crappy job with the design. it looks like they completely rushed it and just did whatever they could to make it look different than the old one. i'd rather have kept the very dated g4 case design if it meant have 2 optical drives and 4 hard drives.

[Sun Baked]

Somebody PLEASE tell me what WAS in those boxes MacB was making such a big deal about...

[Magnus]

So,

I'm really happy!!! So glad i waited with my purchase...!!

but...

How 'bout the Albook? It seems like the new architecture demands to much cooling to be in a PB.

We have to wait until december for panther....

....how long do we have to wait for the revised 15"...?

[tpjunkie]

*shivers*
COOL...*drools*
I want one real bad....looks like I'll need to pick up a second job for the summer. And for those complaining about no powerbook updates...Expo is in a month, and we all know apple's always got something up their sleeve

[ELYXR]

Originally posted by Sun Baked
Somebody PLEASE tell me what WAS in those boxes MacB was making such a big deal about...

Maybe the iSight. Steve said they were available immediately.

[greenstork]

Originally posted by segastyle
i'd rather have kept the very dated g4 case design if it meant have 2 optical drives and 4 hard drives.

It appears that they want us to purchase their RAID system with the new fibre channel out. They do at least offer the option for a 250 MB drive as opposed to only a 120MB in the previous case deisgn.

[wildmac]

Just ordered the Dual 2Ghz as well. For $1,000 over the baseline, it's well worth it.

But I'm not gonna buy the ram from Apple.

Will get the bluetooth though, that is the wave of the future.

[DTphonehome]

Originally posted by segastyle
i wholeheartedly agree. we've now gone from 4 possible hard drives to 2., and 2 possible optical drives to 1. this stinks in my opinion.

they've done a great job with the technical side of this machine, but a very crappy job with the design. it looks like they completely rushed it and just did whatever they could to make it look different than the old one. i'd rather have kept the very dated g4 case design if it meant have 2 optical drives and 4 hard drives.

I respectfully disagree. What percentage of users actually use more than 2 HDs? And more than 1 optical drive (although I do see more people using 2 OD's than 2 HD's)? With HD's now in the 250 GB range and getting bigger all the time, I don't think its so important to leave room for even MORE. And now that USB 2.0 and FW 800 are onboard, the maybe 5% of users who DO need the extra room and drives can just plug one in.

You can't please all of the people all of the time, to paraphrase. I think the new machine gives the masses a nice compact machine, and the pros a way to expand.

--DT

[TheMightyG]

With 9 fans needed to cool this beast, I predict that there will be some time yet until they can cram a G5 into an aluminum Powerbook without frying somebody's lap.

[evoluzione]

kinda good news for me, it's far more daunting to customise for the average user now, which will keep me employed when they need messing with...

as for the keyboard, wow, what a disappointment, looks like the crappy eMac one, very lame. same with the mouse, they both lack the "pro" monika.

overall, i'm happy, couple of minor things i'm not bouncing around about, but hey, we FINALLY HAVE THE G5!!!!!!!!!!!!

[digi002]

I think it really sucks there was not a 15" PB update.

This is OFF TOPIC but I need little help from someone that is a little more tech. savy then myself.

I record into the Firewire Digi002 rack

What PB will I get the most for my dollar from a 12" with the max of ram and a HD up grade. Or the 1Ghz 15" with no upgrades?

Is there a real possibility the might announce an update later this week? That would seem weird to me.

[sedarby]

Originally posted by mustang_dvs
I really could care less about the looks of the G5 (though I question the ergonomics of getting rid of the mobo hinge) -- what bothers me is the apparently cramped confines of the interior, which limits us to 1 optical drive and two hard drives,according to the PowerMac webpage (http://www.apple.com/powermac/expansion.html).

Also, it appears that it may be a bit difficult to run cables from PCI cards (e.g., SCSI or ATA expansion buses) into the small hard drive bay.

I just don't understand why Apple decided to take a significant step backwards, especially since PowerMacs have been designed to easily handle more than 2 hard drives since the revision B Blue & White's.
One word, XRaid. Get a fiber channel card and hook up the XRaid or better yet wait for G5 to make it into the XServers. Personally 500 GB over 2 drives is very exciting. Limiting to 1 optical drive is admittedly a little confining but that's what rev B's are for.:D

[The Shadow]

Originally posted by segastyle
i wholeheartedly agree. we've now gone from 4 possible hard drives to 2., and 2 possible optical drives to 1. this stinks in my opinion.

I can understand the limit of HHDs to some degree, as you get now get 2x250, but I definitely need a fast optical drive to supplement the Superdrive. External is more expensive - may as well wait for the PBook if have to have external devices.

[nawk]

OK, then what about these boxes in the apple stores we heard about??? You know, that ones with the stickers that said don't open till Monday afternoon. Were these just a total figment of people's imagination?? Or do they just contain the G5 promo material

[TheMightyG]

Originally posted by sedarby
.....but that's what rev B's are for.:D

Agreed. These G5s are very nice, but I would never buy a Rev A anything. In most cases, Rev A is a synonym for "Public Beta", albeit with a price tag on it.

[TheMightyG]

Originally posted by nawk
OK, then what about these boxes in the apple stores we heard about??? You know, that ones with the stickers that said don't open till Monday afternoon. Were these just a total figment of people's imagination?? Or do they just contain the G5 promo material
Didn't you mother tell you not to believe everything that strangers told you? ;)

[tny]

Originally posted by TheMightyG
Agreed. These G5s are very nice, but I would never buy a Rev A anything. In most cases, Rev A is a synonym for "Public Beta", albeit with a price tag on it.

I have had no problems with my Rev A dual-USB (white) iBook so far, knock on wood.

Notice what hasn't been announced yet?

1. New version of AppleWorks.
2. iPal.
3. So-called iPod "superdock"
4. Piles

Two of these look like a possible Create announcement (AppleWorks if done properly; Superdock if there is such a thing). Piles looks like it's still futured. And iPal ... so much for that idea.

[and of course, G5 PowerBooks, any kind of Apple pad, and Cube-like headless.]

BTW, have you checked out the prices on the G4's? $1299 for the low-end model.

[MacFan26]

I watched the Keynote from the front row at the Apple Store at the Biltmore in Arizona, it was so much better than streaming on the web! I'm totally excited about the G5's and Panther looks awesome too. I'm wondering if they are going to put G5's into the iMacs? Or are they going to stay G4's for a while still? I hope they do release G5 on a 15" laptop in July, I want one when I go to college this year!

[pyrotoaster]

Originally posted by TheMightyG
With 9 fans needed to cool this beast, I predict that there will be some time yet until they can cram a G5 into an aluminum Powerbook without frying somebody's lap.
I don't know...
At this point, any Powerbook update would be welcome, but here's a thought:

IBM's supposedly also producing "Lower Power" 1.2 and also 1.4 GHz 970s, but we haven't seen either in the Powermac. If they really are "Lower Power", they might be able to work without the three-quarters-a-dozen fans.
Perhaps Apple's waiting until they're closer to being available (September is a long way off for these Powermacs...) to release them.

That said, I just want the damn things to be updated.

[zimv20]

very clean. kinda post-modern. it also looks sort of 50's retro-kitsch. i can't wait to see it in person.

i think it will age well.

[straphound]

This is great news! I am saving for a 15 inch PB now and will not buy one based off the G4. I understand that a 970 based PB may not be relased for some time but when it is, Apple, you have my money.

[Doctor Q]

You know what impressed me most about today's keynote? MacRumors! Let's hear three cheers once again for arn and his fact-gathering abilities!

[jettredmont]

Originally posted by zimv20
overall, i'm impressed and happy. couple of questions:

1. there's that airport antenna port -- does that mean no more internal antenna? (same thing w/ bluetooth)

2. some parts of apple.com (the store i think, but i can't bring it up right now), list the Radeon 9600. other parts say 9800. mistake? or will it initially ship w/ the 9600?

Not sure on the answer to the first (although I'd recommend a stndalone airport/802.11b antennae for any desktop ... most desktop PCs are in poor-reception, radio-noisy areas ...).

On the second, 9600 is the default for the 2x2.0GHz model. 9800 is an option for a bit extra, as is the NV model (for a small discount I think).

Priced an "ultimate" .. pushes $8k! 'Course more than half of that is extra RAM ...

[NavyIntel007]

In a way I'm glad the powerbooks weren't updated. I just bought the 12" powerbook and I'm glad I don't have to kick myself for being impatient. Either way, I got what I wanted so it's all good.

The powermacs look cool but I was never in the market (although it's unreal about the dual 1.25 prices now). The iSight I have mixed feelings on. I like the idea but the price is a little high. Plus it won't work on my girlfriend's ibook 500 so I may just go with the Logitech Pro Mobile camera.

I also don't understand why there isn't any software releases. There needs to be a new Appleworks in a bad way!

Also, where were the iTMS stats? That should be in every Keynote for the year!!!

I'm a little bored with Panther. Some of the new stuff looks cool but if it comes out in December, I'm going to be at Military training a month later... so there's really no point is there? He also didn't mention what the minimum system requirements were to run Panther. It seems like since some features are pretty graphics intensive, the machines that do not support Quartz Extreme may be left in the dust. I hope they work though.

[tazo]

Originally posted by Sonofhaig
Wow! Talk about internet congestion! Was every Mac geek online today?
I must now view the Quicktime stream. Great stuff Apple!!

I know lol. I could barely stay on the chaosmint site. Although even that was a bit faster. You could literally not get on to apple.com/store; i had to keep trying and couldnt get on up until like 1:30 PM PST

[jettredmont]

Originally posted by TheMightyG
With 9 fans needed to cool this beast, I predict that there will be some time yet until they can cram a G5 into an aluminum Powerbook without frying somebody's lap.

9 fans are to cool the 2x2.0GHz beasts, which will likely put out enough heat to compete with a single 3.06GHz P4. I doubt they'll consume as much as dual Xeons, though.

Note that once you get below 1.8GHz (say, to 1.6GHz) the 970 is fairly well-mannered in heat dissipation. Lower-clock-speed 970s could quite easily replace G4s in the current line of PBs (although this doesn't take into account the new motherboard components required for support).

[TheMightyG]

Originally posted by jettredmont
9 fans are to cool the 2x2.0GHz beasts, which will likely put out enough heat to compete with a single 3.06GHz P4. I doubt they'll consume as much as dual Xeons, though.

Note that once you get below 1.8GHz (say, to 1.6GHz) the 970 is fairly well-mannered in heat dissipation. Lower-clock-speed 970s could quite easily replace G4s in the current line of PBs (although this doesn't take into account the new motherboard components required for support).

woo hoo! Hope you're right! :D

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by NavyIntel007
Also, where were the iTMS stats? That should be in every Keynote for the year!!!

Apple has sold 5 million songs on its online music store. (http://www.macminute.com/wwdc2003.html)

[Abstract]

Originally posted by jettredmont

Note that once you get below 1.8GHz (say, to 1.6GHz) the 970 is fairly well-mannered in heat dissipation. Lower-clock-speed 970s could quite easily replace G4s in the current line of PBs (although this doesn't take into account the new motherboard components required for support).

I hate when people post stuff like this. Nobody knows how hot the 970's are exactly. I don't trust things on paper. If it looks good on paper, and it still makes a PB with a 970 in it too hot, then I'd rather pass until they find a way to make it cooler. But nobody knows yet, maybe with the exception of a few people at Apple.

I can't imagine a PB with too many fans.

[Sun Baked]

arn,

In the live update you had...

Not Mentioned in Keynote: A single new PowerMac G4 avail today... per someone at the Apple Store.

Single G4 1.25 $1299

Working on getting details....Right now the only 1.25GHz PowerMac G4 is the old OS 9 Legacy machines in single and dual configurations.

A little strange that the Rev B machine would be EOLd while the Rev A machine stays around a little longer to provide OS 9 bootablility.

NOTE - the only reason I said Rev A, is that it says Airport Card in the custom configuration not Extreme.

Tech Specs...

Two FireWire 400, four USB ports (two on system, two on keyboard), front headphone minijack and speaker, rear Apple speaker minijack, analog audio line in and analog audio line out minijacks, ADC and DVI connectors for dual display support

Built-in 10/100/1000BASE-T Ethernet, AirPort ready(4), v.92 56K modem (5)

[SiliconAddict]

I'll just add my disappointment in the lack of PowerBook announcements. I've been saving up for a PowerBook 17" since March and right now I've got enough to get one right now paying off 2/3rds right in the store. In addition to that I’m going to pick up an iPod when I get my PowerBook. But not now. No way. Not now. Even if its 6 months from now I WILL wait for a G5 based PowerBook. Easy formula. 17” PowerBook + G5 + Panther = Badass puter. Until that happens I will stick with my Dell Latitude.

[pyrotoaster]

Originally posted by Abstract
I hate when people post stuff like this. Nobody knows how hot the 970's are exactly. I don't trust things on paper. If it looks good on paper, and it still makes a PB with a 970 in it too hot, then I'd rather pass until they find a way to make it cooler. But nobody knows yet, maybe with the exception of a few people at Apple.

I can't imagine a PB with too many fans.
There's quite a bit of info suggesting that IBM has some "They don't ignite your pants" 970s. These are supposedly at 1.2 and 1.4 GHz, and these processors are supposedly being produced right now. And they aren't in the Powermacs, are they?

Sure, I used the word "supposedly" several times, but all I'm trying to say is that there's evidence that IBM has a cooler 970, and that they may be producing it.

Don't be so quick to think that just because it's only on paper it won't work.

[Marble]

Gosh it would be nice to have a G5 Powerbook for college.

[getalife03]

I'm having the same problem. Do I go with a PC notebook for school when the only reason is that the 15" PB hasn't been updated? I'm really facing a dilemna because at the end of August, when I am in college, I want to have a notebook computer on my desk ready to be typed on, and I don't want a Ti 15" because of two reasons. 1) I don't want the paint chipping off and 2) Because if I am going to have the same notebook for four years, I want to have the latest possible, I mean, if the G5 Powerbook is coming out at the begining of September and I get a G4 in July, I'll be one pissed off young man. Any suggestuions or thoughts on what is taking the 15" Albook so long to make? Have any guesses as to when it might be available, and, lastly, should I get the Ti book, a PC, or go to school without a computer and hope it comes out soon?

Thanks for your input

Steven

[Apple][Forever]

Don't worry about the PBs... the G5 tower is not using 9 FULL-SIZE fans, it's using 9 smaller fans. Probably about the same cooling as the G4 towers from the looks of the heatsink (this is going by pics, so i don't know this 100%).

If they can jam a G4 into the 15", a 970 wouldn't be that much harder.

[isgoed]

HAHAHAHA

Noticed anything strange about the new G5 Apple Store Site??

The G4 Specifications are still on.

For the legacy, here's the proof. I have both sites saved as PDF.

Apple Shop Pre And Post WWDC (http://www.home.zonnet.nl/isgoed/WWDC/)

[pcp_ip]

Originally posted by isgoed
HAHAHAHA

Noticed anything strange about the new G5 Apple Store Site??

The G4 Specifications are still on.

For the legacy, here's the proof. I have both sites saved as PDF.

Apple Shop Pre And Post WWDC (http://www.home.zonnet.nl/isgoed/WWDC/)

You should probably clear your browser's cache.

[isgoed]

Originally posted by pcp_ip
You should probably clear your browser's cache.

No Man, It is a practical joke of apple! It is even still on (even after I cleared my cache and tried browsers IE and Chimera) at the time I write this. Make sure you go to the US/international store at:

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/70507/wo/1O6g8hD2qJGM3Jo3f83xH0g33BE/0.0.7.1.0.5.21.1.0.1.0.0.0.1.0

[MacFan26]

Originally posted by getalife03
I'm having the same problem. Do I go with a PC notebook for school when the only reason is that the 15" PB hasn't been updated?

I hear you! I would love to have a G5 powerbook when college starts for me too! I would suggest just relax and wait until MacWorld in July, if they don't introduce a G5 laptop there, then you can decide what to do.