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Mudbug
May 15, 2007, 10:25 AM
Like it or not, the deciding factor on which format eventually makes it will be the porn industry, not Disney. I don't know which one they like - but I bet someone could chime in here and give us some figures.

killmoms
May 15, 2007, 10:30 AM
I'd actually say this time around it might not be that way. Seems to me that the Internet is now the great purveyor of porn. Plus porn in HD is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, you can see everything. On the other hand, you can see everything.

Honestly, I think the real winners will be the manufacturers that make players that'll do both formats.

Maxiseller
May 15, 2007, 10:39 AM
Porn on tape/DVD is so old fashioned. Porn is so easy to access on the internet sadly, and it means that there is no embarrassment associated with it's viewing when compared to, say, buying a porn DVD in the shops!

slabwax
May 15, 2007, 10:44 AM
Porn on tape/DVD is so old fashioned. Porn is so easy to access on the internet sadly, and it means that there is no embarrassment associated with it's viewing when compared to, say, buying a porn DVD in the shops!

No need to be embarrassed just have your wife go and pick it up for you :D

Dean

Jopling
May 15, 2007, 10:48 AM
Now I have to get a wife?

PlaceofDis
May 15, 2007, 10:50 AM
i doubt the adult video industry will be the deciding factor this time around, the internet has changed their game.

this time, it will be the consumers and studios that decide. and i have a horrible feeling that we'll be stuck with both formats for a long, long time.

and fwiw, i believe the porn industry is using both formats too.

jaw04005
May 15, 2007, 10:54 AM
I don't think porn will play a large role, if any, in the hi-def format war. However, porn is available now on both HD DVD and Blu-ray anyways.

http://sev.prnewswire.com/entertainment/20070508/LATU07608052007-1.html

I can't see a format that doesn't have the support of Disney and Fox winning. As of now, both Fox and Disney are solely planted in the Blu-ray camp, and—as time goes on—leaving Blu-ray for HD DVD will continue to become more expensive (advertising, marketing campaigns, association fees, etc).

For weekly stats on the war, check out http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/. Blu-ray has been ahead in practically all categories since January. However, that could just be because of the lack of new, blockbuster HD DVD titles.

On a side note, if you have either player, pick up Planet Earth. Talk about a wow factor.

iJon
May 15, 2007, 10:54 AM
Like it or not, the deciding factor on which format eventually makes it will be the porn industry, not Disney. I don't know which one they like - but I bet someone could chime in here and give us some figures.

Porn so far has been in HDDVD. Sony wouldn't let Porn be made on their discs but I want to think that has changed. Sony might have gave in. Anyways, I see plenty of Porn HD-DVD's on the net, most of them made by companies who use Final Cut Pro :D.

jon

RichP
May 15, 2007, 11:11 AM
Sony also has a much bigger stake in things than their previous exploits in supporting a format. Columbia obviously is Blu-Ray only.

Another factor, and major media player, is Walmart. I read something they were going to only sell one format, but the article wasnt translated well and it was undetermined what format that would be.

Format was has to end soon, I wont buy either until one comes out on top, and many other people are in the same boat. If I buy a DVD, I want the format to exist for some time, not have a mix-match of formats and players.

thestaton
May 15, 2007, 12:12 PM
I see it as who has the bigger wallet. Microsoft or Sony.

Sony has the craptastic PS3, that is not selling well at all. While Microsoft has a huge year ahead of it, with Halo 3, GTA 4, & Forza 2.

If it comes down to the console giants HDDVD will win. Microsoft is endless money, while Sony from I've read is hurting.

Personally since I've invested in HD-DVD I hope it wins :)

Ha ze
May 15, 2007, 12:25 PM
yes, but thats where Microsoft screwed up by rushing to production, the 360 does not read HD DVDs without the secondary drive. I've been considering buying a PS3 just for the BlueRay player, but keep hoping iTunesHD will come.

whooleytoo
May 15, 2007, 12:49 PM
On the one hand, you can see everything. On the other hand, you can see everything.

And people are making a lot of money on various weird websites showing you everything. And by that I do mean everything! ;)

gkarris
May 15, 2007, 01:14 PM
VCRs made it for the first time people can easily watch porn in the privacy of their own homes. So the porn industry decided the VCR format war.

Now, we have a ton of ways of watching videos at home like computers, VCRs, DVDs, DVRs.

Porn will not decide the high-def disc war, I heard that Disney will...

PlaceofDis
May 15, 2007, 01:21 PM
I heard that Disney will...

Disney has some leverage that other studios don't. Kids.
parents want the best movies for their kids to keep, if Disney won't put their stuff on HD DVD, then parents will have to buy Blu-Ray discs for their Disney collection. so they'll need a Blu-Ray player or a dual player.

no other studio has the Pixar/Disney Animation movies that are considered 'must haves' for kids growing up. but it could still flop even with Disney's weight behind it too.

Makosuke
May 15, 2007, 01:45 PM
This whole format war junk has convinced me that I will NOT buy a player or any discs until the industry makes up it's friggin' mind. I bought a first-run DVD player WAY back when because that was the accepted format (Divx didn't count--that was going down in flames from day one) by the time things really got into the market. And while dual-format players might eventually turn it into a Dolby Digital vs. DTS non-issue, I rather hope it doesn't end up that way.

The fact that the big backers right now are Microsoft, Sony, and Disney makes it all the worse--I don't want ANY of those companies to "win" anything, frankly.

I say this, incidentally, as somebody who backed Beta way back when. Oh, and I agree--porn isn't going to have anything to do with it now. "The Internet Is For Porn," as the song goes, and if anything HD porn is more bad than good.

bmb012
May 15, 2007, 01:49 PM
Great, buying the only console that doesn't have any kid friendly games so the kids can watch Disney flicks...

Shh, I have a secret... ready?

Kids and parents can't tell the difference between HD and SD. :eek:

The only people who care about Disney on HD is guys like me who love old Disney flicks and get mad when the black level on their LCD is closer to grey.

And I already bought the HD-DVD drive for the 360 :mad:

zioxide
May 15, 2007, 02:32 PM
Once Universal wakes the **** up and realizes they are the only ones backing HD-DVD exclusively, they'll start releasing blu-rays, and HD-DVD will be dead.

The porn industry has nothing to do with it, and anyone who says that it does is an idiot. Everyone knows the internet is for porn, not blu-ray or hd-dvd. Additionally, anyone who says that porn is not allowed on blu-ray needs to get their facts straight, because the only thing sony said was that they wouldn't produce porn on their own blu-ray production lines, but the porn producers are free to make their own.


The other thing that Blu-ray has in it's favor is the PS3. Sony has already sold few million of them worldwide. That's a few million blu-ray players. I don't think Microsoft has even sold 100,000 HD-DVD add on drives.

In 2 years when both players are less than 200 bucks, people are going to buy the one that has the most movies, if they are both even still around. And right now, blu-ray has more studio support, so this will mean more movies.

miketcool
May 15, 2007, 04:21 PM
Additionally, anyone who says that porn is not allowed on blu-ray needs to get their facts straight, because the only thing sony said was that they wouldn't produce porn on their own blu-ray production lines, but the porn producers are free to make their own.

Actually, Sony initially stated that they would not allow distrubution of adult movies via BLu-Ray. They tried to block distribution by banning adult film houses from purchasing or licensing Blu-Ray duplicators. At some point, its a noble effort by Sony, but you cannot force every company to comply with your will. Through pressure and the falure of Betamax, Sony will more then likely allow the release of porn on blu-ray shortly.

dartzorichalcos
May 15, 2007, 04:32 PM
I think Disney has made a good choice by supporting Blue-ray. Blue-ray is the better choice than HD-DVD.

zioxide
May 15, 2007, 06:09 PM
Through pressure and the falure of Betamax

Betamax only failed in the consumer market. However, formats of it are still used today (Betacam, DVCAM, HDCAM).

gkarris
May 15, 2007, 07:31 PM
Great, buying the only console that doesn't have any kid friendly games so the kids can watch Disney flicks...

Shh, I have a secret... ready?

Kids and parents can't tell the difference between HD and SD. :eek:


Rich kids and rich parents can...

I was at a Circuit City and a guy with his 3 kids was buying a large HD TV and Blu-ray player...

It's all about what's on the label...:confused:

Jerry Spoon
May 16, 2007, 09:59 AM
Disney has some leverage that other studios don't. Kids.
parents want the best movies for their kids to keep, if Disney won't put their stuff on HD DVD, then parents will have to buy Blu-Ray discs for their Disney collection. so they'll need a Blu-Ray player or a dual player.

no other studio has the Pixar/Disney Animation movies that are considered 'must haves' for kids growing up. but it could still flop even with Disney's weight behind it too.

I think you're absolutely right. I know that 9 out of 10 (if not more) of my dvd's are ones for my kids. While I'm a movie lover, I do more renting or seeing in theaters than buying for myself.

I'll get by myself, but if Disney's only offering one format, that's the one I'm going with...no questions asked.

shamino
May 16, 2007, 10:41 AM
Porn so far has been in HDDVD. Sony wouldn't let Porn be made on their discs but I want to think that has changed. ...
It's not like Sony has a say in the matter. They may be able to refuse to sell mastering/duplication equipment to known porn producers, but do you seriously think this will stop them from buying equipment (through less discriminating distributors) if they want to?

I'd love to see Sony file a lawsuit over this: "you don't have the right to use the equipment you legally bought because we, the manufacturer, disapprove of the content you're producing." I doubt any judge would even let such a suit come to trial.
Another factor, and major media player, is Walmart. I read something they were going to only sell one format, but the article wasnt translated well and it was undetermined what format that would be.
Wal*Mart may choose to wait for a shakeout, in order to not waste shelf space on redundant formats, but I can't imagine them actually choosing to take sides.

Unlike their decision to not sell CDs with offensive lyrics, there is no moral justification to choose on HD movie format over another. So we're left with a business decision, which will be "whatever we think our customers want to pay for."
If it comes down to the console giants HDDVD will win. ... Personally since I've invested in HD-DVD I hope it wins :)
I doubt it will come down to console manufacturers. How many people today use game consoles for playing DVD movies? Think about the entire market, not just the segment that's into gaming.

While some non-gamers may buy a console today for playing movies, that's only because the consoles are the cheapest options. That won't last forever. When we start seeing standalone movie players for less than the price of the game consoles (probably in another year), the market penetration of those consoles will become irrelevant.

As for what I'm rooting for - that would have to be BD. I don't care one way or another about movies, but BD popularity will lead to continued development of high-cpacity BD-RE media. I want an 8-layer BD-RE drive to use for my Mac system backups - 200GB per disc would be really sweet.
This whole format war junk has convinced me that I will NOT buy a player or any discs until the industry makes up it's friggin' mind. ... while dual-format players might eventually turn it into a Dolby Digital vs. DTS non-issue, I rather hope it doesn't end up that way.
Why? If everybody starts selling dual-format players, why would you have a problem with it? I like the idea of a single device that can play every movie available in stores, regardless of format.
Great, buying the only console that doesn't have any kid friendly games so the kids can watch Disney flicks...
What makes you think you have to buy a game console in order to watch movies? If a standalone BD movie player costs too much right now, wait a few months.
And I already bought the HD-DVD drive for the 360 :mad:
And you somehow weren't aware of the possibility that HD-DVD wouldn't become the market-dominating format?

There's a reason I haven't bought any HD-capable video player yet.

aarond12
May 16, 2007, 03:29 PM
...but keep hoping iTunesHD will come.
Technically, iTunes HD already exists. Did you notice that the :apple:TV supports 1280x720 resolution movies (720p)? Those movies have got to come from somewhere.

I also read somewhere that one of the large news companies (Washington Post?) is making an HD newscast available on iTunes.

All I want is for a single, recordable consumer standard that I can burn HD video that I've edited in iMovie HD/Final Cut Pro HD. Yes, I know DVD Studio Pro has HD-DVD capabilities, but have you seen how expensive the burners are?

shamino
May 17, 2007, 08:33 AM
Technically, iTunes HD already exists. Did you notice that the :apple:TV supports 1280x720 resolution movies (720p)? Those movies have got to come from somewhere.
They can come from your own camera. iTunes will play any QuickTime video (including that produced by iMovie HD). The :apple:TV should play any video that uses a supported format, whether or not it comes from the iTunes Store.
All I want is for a single, recordable consumer standard that I can burn HD video that I've edited in iMovie HD/Final Cut Pro HD. Yes, I know DVD Studio Pro has HD-DVD capabilities, but have you seen how expensive the burners are?
Just wait a little bit. HD burners (both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray) are expensive now because the first drives were all introduced in the last few months. The prices will come down in a year or so, just like DVD burner prices did.

As for software, you may not have to buy Apple's pro applications, which are going to be overkill for simple projects anyway. The latest version of Toast will burn BD media. I expect them to add HD-DVD when burners become a little more popular.

LxTxNx
May 17, 2007, 01:30 PM
Blu-ray is winning and it's prefered by companies because of the 50gig capacity and many other tech specs.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h12/LxTxNx2/CurrentStats-v1.jpg



http://www.blu-raydisc.com/Section-14064/faqs/4/Index.html

QuarterSwede
May 17, 2007, 01:48 PM
Wow, I didn't realize that HD-DVD was getting slaughtered. Looks like the only major studio backing only HD-DVD is Universal. Guess they'll have to switch after a while.

sikkinixx
May 17, 2007, 02:09 PM
The Universal HD-DVD only thing pisses me off. I have a PS3 and a few Blu-Ray titles (Casino Royale ftw) but the Matrix is coming out on HD-DVD only (noooooooooo).... Hopefully it dies and they re-release stuff on Blu-Ray :D

psychofreak
May 17, 2007, 02:15 PM
Blu-ray is winning and it's prefered by companies because of the 50gig capacity and many other tech specs.


http://www.blu-raydisc.com/Section-14064/faqs/4/Index.html
Try reading the note at the bottom of images :)

QuarterSwede
May 17, 2007, 02:18 PM
Try reading the note at the bottom of images :)
I did but it seems to me that they couldn't be stupid enough to publish something so easy to disprove. I mean, it's a list of backers. How hard is that to confirm?