Poll: Will you be purchasing Panther when released? (Retail $129) [Archive]

groov'

Jun 25, 2003, 04:58 AM

no, I won't buy it!

I'm tired of paying more than 100 every year only for slightly different ways to use my daily workspace.

Instead I'll grab an illegal copy from the net or ask somebody who buys a Panther-G5 before I do.

Nermal

Jun 25, 2003, 05:35 AM

What don't I like about Jaguar? First, there's the mounted network crash issue. By using the new network browser, you won't have to mount the network shares so shouldn't have the crashing problem.

The other thing I find frustrating is the lack of Samba printing support. It's good to see Panther introducing this feature. I know that third party Samba support is available for Jaguar, but the one I tried didn't support either of my printers.

Of course, there is also user switching, something I never used back in XP but felt that OS X was missing (especially when everyone wants to fiddle around with my iBook - I'm considering making a second account where people can do what they want and not screw up any of my settings).

And it's almost certain that there are going to be several new features that I've never even considered, but once I've used them I'm going to wonder how I ever did without them. :D

Nermal

Jun 25, 2003, 05:38 AM

Originally posted by groov'
no, I won't buy it!

I'm tired of paying more than 100 every year only for slightly different ways to use my daily workspace.

Instead I'll grab an illegal copy from the net or ask somebody who buys a Panther-G5 before I do.

Keep in mind that the G5s may come with a G5-only version of Panther. I expect the retail versions to work on G3, G4, and G5, but the ones that come with the G5 system may not have G3/G4 support.

I don't mind paying for it, this is my first Mac and it shipped with Jaguar, so it'll be me first upgrade. Maybe I'll start to become a cheapskate later on :rolleyes:

medea

Jun 25, 2003, 05:38 AM

I'll buy panther, but it will be with the edu discount, having that eases the pain of paying full price for each damn os.

pivo6

Jun 25, 2003, 06:04 AM

I'll probably buy it, but not right away. I'm going to wait until I hear/read reviews to make sure it's worth the $129. Jaguar works fine for me now.

mhinas

Jun 25, 2003, 06:27 AM

No way!

If I want Unix, I'll use Sun...

OS X will never be a true Mac OS...

Centris 650

Jun 25, 2003, 06:31 AM

I'll probably wait at least until Christmas. I got Jaguar last year at Christmas time with the Educational Discount for $78. Maybe I can get that lucky again (though I doubt it!)

KLFloyd

Jun 25, 2003, 06:39 AM

I'm usually a very early adopter when it comes to Mac's new Operating Systems, but what I'm interested to know is how much speed increase (ie: startup and shutdown) Panther is going to provide for my older PowerBook (500mhz G4) and if we're FINALLY going to get better support for some pheripials (ie: Zip drives, external burners, etc)

Perhaps more information will be available closer to the release date. But from what I'm seeing right now, I'll just wait and read the reviews to see. So far the features I've seen isn't worth the money to me.

After all, it's about that time I'll have to chalk up another $100 for my .mac email account. The only feature of .mac I really use. Damn you apple, why am I so loyal?

Fender2112

Jun 25, 2003, 06:54 AM

I am going to wait for it to come with my new G5 :)

hvfsl

Jun 25, 2003, 07:15 AM

The only reason I will get it is if it has some speed improvements, I dont think I will use any of the new apps like iChat because I only have a 550Mhz PB G4 (min is 600Mhz G4).

eric_n_dfw

Jun 25, 2003, 07:28 AM

In a heartbeat, the fast user switching and Postscript printer emulation are worth the price for me. Then there's the new XCode tools - also worth the price all over again.

Oh, and don't steal it off the net, people. If you don't think it's worth the price, DON'T BUY IT! (I can see the whole piracy arguement from last year starting all over again :rolleyes: )

Lastly, to the guy who said he'd rather buy Sun for a real Unix OS. Go away troll, you waste all of our time with idiotic comments like that.

MacFan25

Jun 25, 2003, 07:31 AM

I will probably buy it, but I'm not sure. If I like to use the audio iChat than I will probably definitley get panther, since the iChat beta ends on Dec. 31.

j33pd0g

Jun 25, 2003, 07:38 AM

I'll probably purchase it, because you know things to follow will require panther to run. Plus I like the subdued aqua... not so keen on the new finder. Actually I'll wait a few months to read how things are in panther land. Does panther still support "classic"? Maybe they can make a better OS if they don't have to support classic.

pauld

Jun 25, 2003, 07:46 AM

I got that OS before Jaguar (10.1.5 ?)

Would I have to buy Jaguar and then Panther or could I upgrade straight to Panther?

Cheers.

void

Jun 25, 2003, 07:47 AM

It is shipping with my shiny new dual 2 ghz G5, so no.:D

Bear

Jun 25, 2003, 08:05 AM

I sure hope Apple offers a Family pack for Panther the same way they have one for Jaguar. I don't need multiple copies of the CDs and it sure would be nice to be able to save money on licensing multiple machines at home.

Yes, I will be buying it right away, but the first machine it is going to go on is an iMac that I use for (among other things) testing software before loading it on my Powerbook or Power Mac. This saves me the headache of having to revert if something doesn't work. And I'm fairly sure that one or more third party software products that I use regularly will break with Panther.

scem0

Jun 25, 2003, 08:12 AM

Originally posted by void
It is shipping with my shiny new dual 2 ghz G5, so no.:D

hehe same here but with a 1.8 :).

scem0

MetallicPenguin

Jun 25, 2003, 08:12 AM

Oops, I accidently voted yes, when I was thinking about buying a new Power Mac, well they're shipping with Smeagol, so I might have to buy it...I'll probably use my discount card (Apple Pro Card) that day or something.

iJed

Jun 25, 2003, 08:19 AM

Originally posted by pauld
I got that OS before Jaguar (10.1.5 ?)

Would I have to buy Jaguar and then Panther or could I upgrade straight to Panther?

Cheers.

Yes you can just buy Panther without Jaguar. It is a full OS disk and not an upgrade and it would be a rather huge update from 10.1.5.

jamilecrire

Jun 25, 2003, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by mhinas
No way!

If I want Unix, I'll use Sun...

OS X will never be a true Mac OS...

The OS simply supports the interface between the hardware and software. You don't really USE the OS your applications do.

I love it when people get pissed about nothing.

bbarnhart

Jun 25, 2003, 08:43 AM

Maybe Amazon.com will offer their huge rebate again like they did for Jaguar. They discounted it and then they offered a US$50 rebate. That was a great deal and you know Amazon.com lost money on the deal. They shortly revoked the offer after lots of people took them up on the deal. Let's hope they don't have a good memory.

jg3

Jun 25, 2003, 08:55 AM

Gettin' it with my next and final year of ADC Student subscription. I'm really going to miss that.

eric_n_dfw

Jun 25, 2003, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by mhinas
No way!

If I want Unix, I'll use Sun...

OS X will never be a true Mac OS...
You know, I miss-read this in my prior reply - you're not a Unix biggot, you're a Mac OS Classic biggot.

Say what you will, I guess I'm a "modern OS biggot". In your defense, it would be nice if Apple offered a "Classic" theme for OS X. I'd never use it, but many probably would.

pilotgi

Jun 25, 2003, 09:25 AM

I'm going to try to hold out till next summer when I'll probably buy a PowerMac. I'd really like a Cube but we'll see what happens.

I say try because Apple might come out with some really cool upgrade for iTunes or QuickTime that only works with Panther.

michaelrjohnson

Jun 25, 2003, 09:30 AM

yes. with my student discount. it'll only cost me $50.

DavidFDM

Jun 25, 2003, 09:37 AM

Yup. Expose is a way cool feature for a graphic designer. I usually have Photoshop, Illustrator, Dreamweaver, etc. all going and it can get confusing. Faxing will be nice too. Threaded mail will be helpful. Font Book and the new Finder look also exceptionally helpful.

- David

Quotes from the two best sci-fi shows ever:

Kosh Naranek : The avalanche has already started; it is too late for the pebbles to vote. (Babylon 5)

Pa'u Zotoh Zhaan : Pilot, does Moya know where we are?
Pilot : Yes, of course! We're someplace else... I'll get back to you on the specifics. (Farscape)

zebell1

Jun 25, 2003, 09:40 AM

Hey I bought my G3 iBook about 2 months ago, does anybody know if Panther will work on it? :confused:

Freg3000

Jun 25, 2003, 09:54 AM

If Apple does not give Panther free (or for an insane $20 processing fee) to people have already bought a G5 and are using 10.2.7, I will go nuts. I am not even buying a Power Mac, but come 'on Apple, this is easy. You don't make a 64 bit OS and not include it with your ONLY 64 bit machine.

By the way, I will definitely buy Panther. Even though I downloaded it ( I know, I know). It is totally cool and that doesn't make me not want to buy it. It actually makes me want to support Apple for creating such a great product. I love it.

waterbouy

Jun 25, 2003, 10:06 AM

By the time I move from my Wallstreet, the G5s will ship with Panther - probably 10.3.5 at my pace :)

eric_n_dfw

Jun 25, 2003, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by Freg3000
By the way, I will definitely buy Panther. Even though I downloaded it ( I know, I know). It is totally cool and that doesn't make me not want to buy it. It actually makes me want to support Apple for creating such a great product. I love it. I have no problem with people dl'ing (non-free) software and then either buying it or trashing it. I don't really have a problem with people pirating software - as long as they own up to the fact that it is illegal and they are stealing. I especially understand it with multi-hundred dollar software packages like FCP when Apple doesn't provide a demo. Adobe's demo's are great - completely un-crippled for 30 days. I bought FCP 1 and upgraded to 2 and 3 - I'm thinking about upgrading to 4 but would like to know how much I can use on my Dual G4 500. Even demo that watermarked the output would be welcome to me.

iShater

Jun 25, 2003, 10:37 AM

Is anybody else getting "You already voted!" when you havn't?

I can't justify buying Panther for my month old iBook. But I look forward to using it with a new machine sometime next year, or maybe upgrading then.

wdlove

Jun 25, 2003, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by michaelrjohnson
yes. with my student discount. it'll only cost me $50.

That is the way that my wife is planning to upgrade to Panther on her iBook. Personally I'm going to wait till I get my G5, then it will be perfectly tuned!

maradong

Jun 25, 2003, 10:39 AM

surely

shadowfax

Jun 25, 2003, 10:59 AM

this is definitely worth $130, in my opinion. it does seem a bit strange to charge the same for people just buying it standalone and for people buying it who have bought 10.0 and 10.2, but realistically, there are very few people, i would bet, that will be buying this for the first time--the mass of adoption, i think, came with jaguar. but hey, those are some pretty intense features; the increased windows compatibility via SAMBA and the better network stuff make it that much better all by themselves.

Veldek

Jun 25, 2003, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by scem0
hehe same here but with a 1.8 :).

scem0

Yeah, right. Same with me. So we need another option:

No, because I will get it for free with a G5.

iShater

Jun 25, 2003, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by hvfsl
The only reason I will get it is if it has some speed improvements, I dont think I will use any of the new apps like iChat because I only have a 550Mhz PB G4 (min is 600Mhz G4).

whoa! a G4 is required for iChat?!

Freg3000

Jun 25, 2003, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by iShater
whoa! a G4 is required for iChat?!

I don't understand why this happens so much. People combine two spec numbers accidentally, for whatever reason. I guess Apple doesn't make itself clear.

iChat AV requires any G5, any G4, or a G3 which has a clock speed of at least 600 MHz. Not a 600 MHz G4.

Just to clear that up. :) Most Macs sold within the last year (including iBooks) will be able to run iChat AV.

hesdeadjim

Jun 25, 2003, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by iShater
whoa! a G4 is required for iChat?!

No a 600 MHz G3 is required for video chat on iChat. Also, the requirements for an iSight.

As seen here:
G5, G4, or G3 600Mhz or faster processor

from the website: http://www.apple.com/ichat/download/

Jaguar and its min requirements are needed for iChat.

Sonofhaig

Jun 25, 2003, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by DeusOmnis
We need more options than just "yes" and "no". "Yes, right away". "Yes, after first patch comes out." "Yes, if it gets good reviews later", etc.

Agreed- I'd buy it if it'll work on my 500 Mhz Snow imac.
Don't know until we get more info.

iJon

Jun 25, 2003, 12:11 PM

i get panther free but i would buy it if i didnt. i used the dev copy of 10.0. i used publice beta, i used 10.1, beta and retail of 10.2 and i will use 10.3. keep em coming apple and i will buy them.

iJon

shadowfax

Jun 25, 2003, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by iJon
i get panther free but i would buy it if i didnt. i used the dev copy of 10.0. i used publice beta, i used 10.1, beta and retail of 10.2 and i will use 10.3. keep em coming apple and i will buy them.

iJon well, i guess you were wrong about the 10.3 being free, except when it comes to you, eh? lucky bastard :mad: ;)

iJon

Jun 25, 2003, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by Shadowfax
well, i guess you were wrong about the 10.3 being free, except when it comes to you, eh? lucky bastard :mad: ;)
you are exactly right. i knew what phil said, but seeing how that was a long time ago and they haddifferent thoughts, i had this feeling in the back of my head that it would be at least 100 dollars.

iJon

QCassidy352

Jun 25, 2003, 12:52 PM

I voted that I would not buy it, but now that you all have reminded me about the educational discount... hmm, maybe. Do we know how much that will take off? How much did it take off for jaguar?

trebblekicked

Jun 25, 2003, 01:12 PM

i'm buying.

i hope they bring back the $200.00 5-liscense pack. I'm going to have four macs running at my new place, it'd be nice to have them all on the same page.

KLFloyd

Jun 25, 2003, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by Freg3000
I don't understand why this happens so much. People combine two spec numbers accidentally, for whatever reason. I guess Apple doesn't make itself clear.

iChat AV requires any G5, any G4, or a G3 which has a clock speed of at least 600 MHz. Not a 600 MHz G4.

Just to clear that up. :) Most Macs sold within the last year (including iBooks) will be able to run iChat AV.

Well, I downloaded iChat AV before reading the system requirements. I've got a 500mhz PowerBook G4 and so far so good. However, I don't have a camera attached so I haven't been able to use the Video feature.

awinn233

Jun 25, 2003, 02:01 PM

I'm buying it the day it comes out, maybe even the night that it comes out. :)

evolu

Jun 25, 2003, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by mhinas
No way!

If I want Unix, I'll use Sun...

OS X will never be a true Mac OS...

I'd like to what you're thinking please?

shadowfax

Jun 25, 2003, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by evolu
I'd like to what you're thinking please? posting more nonsense isn't going to help you figure out what he is talking about. but in short, he's an idiot. he misunderstands the nature of an operating system to a degree that borders on insanity, no doubt. i'm not sure just what he is mad about. sounds like he thinks that OS X is not a tru Mac OS because it isn't the same as the old one.

and he also thinks there is "one true unix to rule them all," i am sure. just a troll, he's probably posting trying to stick a cattle prod in your arse. don't give him the time of day ;)

LinuxGigolo

Jun 25, 2003, 03:22 PM

I voted no because fortunately, I attend a university that licenses OS X for its students, so I don't have to go purchase it!

LinuxGigolo

Jun 25, 2003, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by Nermal

The other thing I find frustrating is the lack of Samba printing support.

Samba printing does actually work in OS X, but it requires some modifications. Check out http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20020824202229751 and http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20021017064855619 if you're interested or need it before Panther shows up.

Bunzi2k4

Jun 25, 2003, 04:10 PM

I'll get panther with an education discount. :-D

iJon

Jun 25, 2003, 04:30 PM

i dont know if this helps any ones decision to buy, but the new dvd player 4.0 supports 5.1 surround sound.

iJon

Nermal

Jun 25, 2003, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by LinuxGigolo
Samba printing does actually work in OS X, but it requires some modifications. Check out http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20020824202229751 and http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20021017064855619 if you're interested or need it before Panther shows up.

I've tried something similar to this but couldn't get it to work, so I'm waiting for Panther in the hope that it will all work straight away :)

andrewlandry

Jun 25, 2003, 04:38 PM

i'll probably pre-order w/educational discount. it looks... kick-ass ;)

neutrino23

Jun 25, 2003, 04:54 PM

it comes out. Moof!

Hopefully, they will have the family 5 pack licensing for $200 that they had with Jaguar.

We'll put it on the several Macs around the house plus the new 15.4" PB I'll have by then.

3G4N

Jun 25, 2003, 07:08 PM

10.3 Server, please!

If it's half as good/ feature-rich as Panther client, I'll go Server and Client...

coolfactor

Jun 25, 2003, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by mhinas
No way!

If I want Unix, I'll use Sun...

OS X will never be a true Mac OS...

So, what makes a true Mac OS?

And to look at the $129/year realistically:
- one pack of cigarettes a week at $5.50 each = $286/year
- 3 Starbucks coffees a week at $3.00 each = $468/year
- rental of one new release a week at Blockbuster at $5.00 each = $260/year

If you want to save money, there's better ways than stealing something that would only cost you $2.48/week.

Mr.Hey

Jun 25, 2003, 09:45 PM

installed panther beta today and its everything OS 9 WaS and more :)

Ugg

Jun 25, 2003, 10:09 PM

I'm postponing my PB purchase until Panther comes out. I figure the 12s will be updated by then and why spend an additional 129 if I don't need to. That way I can get an iSight too ;)

erikbraun

Jun 25, 2003, 10:21 PM

I'm going to wait for 10.3.1 before I load in on my primary mac. I will try it out on my 'old' G4 desktop first.

Wonder Boy

Jun 25, 2003, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by eric_n_dfw
In your defense, it would be nice if Apple offered a "Classic" theme for OS X. I'd never use it, but many probably would.

I know I would...

Wonder Boy

Jun 25, 2003, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by Sonofhaig
Don't know until we get more info.

I feel this way about everything that happend on Monday. It almost feels like apple released everything, then didn't want to talk about it. Its like having sex with the head chearleader and not telling your friends...

Wonder Boy

Jun 25, 2003, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by trebblekicked
i'm buying.

i hope they bring back the $200.00 5-liscense pack. I'm going to have four macs running at my new place, it'd be nice to have them all on the same page.

why can't you install a single OS disk on all four?

shadowfax

Jun 25, 2003, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by Wonder Boy
why can't you install a single OS disk on all four? try, "because it's not legal."

Sedulous

Jun 26, 2003, 01:11 AM

Panther is gonna be sweet. If they offered it today pre-order I'd be on that!

Hopefully by then other things we haven't seen will be included as well... maybe an updated Appleworks? Cause, dang, I can't wait to dump Office entirely.

Sedulous

Jun 26, 2003, 01:13 AM

Its like having sex with the head chearleader and not telling your friends...

Man, the first time I read this I saw "dead" not "head"... was about to flame and tell you to stop listening to so much Slayer.

I guess the brain is spending too many cycles on G5/Panther.

RandomDeadHead

Jun 26, 2003, 01:23 AM

Yes, 6 copies to be exact.

reflex

Jun 26, 2003, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by mhinas
OS X will never be a true Mac OS...

:rolleyes:

reflex

Jun 26, 2003, 02:06 AM

Originally posted by Freg3000
iChat AV requires any G5, any G4, or a G3 which has a clock speed of at least 600 MHz. Not a 600 MHz G4.

Just to clear that up. :) Most Macs sold within the last year (including iBooks) will be able to run iChat AV.

Shouldn't that be "all Macs sold within the last year" ?

reflex

Jun 26, 2003, 02:09 AM

Originally posted by Freg3000
If Apple does not give Panther free (or for an insane $20 processing fee) to people have already bought a G5 and are using 10.2.7, I will go nuts. I am not even buying a Power Mac, but come 'on Apple, this is easy. You don't make a 64 bit OS and not include it with your ONLY 64 bit machine.

The G5 PowerMacs aren't even shipping yet, so there's a good chance they'll come with Panther.

scem0

Jun 26, 2003, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by reflex
The G5 PowerMacs aren't even shipping yet, so there's a good chance they'll come with Panther.

powermax.com is saying that powermac buyers will get panther for free.

I don't think this is just a powermax exlusive.

News from the Worldwide Developer's Conference

ORDER YOUR POWER MAC G5 WITH APPLECARE FROM POWERMAX AND RECEIVE A FREE UPGRADE TO PANTHER, the next generation of Mac OS X!

scem0

Le Big Mac

Jun 26, 2003, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by Shadowfax
this is definitely worth $130, in my opinion. it does seem a bit strange to charge the same for people just buying it standalone and for people buying it who have bought 10.0 and 10.2

Yeah, it seems that they might offer a health discount to people who bought new macs since, say 1/1/03, and/or people who paid for 10.2. Annual $129 upgrades is starting to smell a bit like microsoft.

BTW, what happened to the idea that odd-numbered OSX releases would be free?

shadowfax

Jun 26, 2003, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by Le Big Mac
Yeah, it seems that they might offer a health discount to people who bought new macs since, say 1/1/03, and/or people who paid for 10.2. Annual $129 upgrades is starting to smell a bit like microsoft.

BTW, what happened to the idea that odd-numbered OSX releases would be free? i think an "upgrade deal" would just confuse things, heh, as nice as it would be. at any rate though, the "free odd releases" thing fell into forgetfulness, methinks, in the wake of apple wanting to make money for some of their work. as much free software as they give out, it's OK by me :)

wdlove

Jun 26, 2003, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by Shadowfax
try, "because it's not legal."

I believe that it's OK to use the purchase Mac OS X and legally use it on a desktop and laptop!

scem0

Jun 26, 2003, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by wdlove
I believe that it's OK to use the purchase Mac OS X and legally use it on a desktop and laptop!

I agree. I'm not paying $260 when I need to install it on 2 computers...... Plus this update doesn't seem worth $130 at all.

Jaguar was..... but that could still be argued.

This update is just..... blah.

scem0

wdlove

Jun 26, 2003, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by scem0
I agree. I'm not paying $260 when I need to install it on 2 computers...... Plus this update doesn't seem worth $130 at all.

Jaguar was..... but that could still be argued.

This update is just..... blah.

scem0

So are you saying that Steve's introduction to Panther was more hype than reality? What would you call the reality of Panther?

Rower_CPU

Jun 26, 2003, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by scem0
powermax.com is saying that powermac buyers will get panther for free.

I don't think this is just a powermax exlusive.

scem0

I'm not seeing anything to this effect on Apple's website, so...

mc68k

Jun 26, 2003, 11:37 PM

never purchased an OS from Apple, don't want to break the streak

shadowfax

Jun 26, 2003, 11:56 PM

do you get them on new computers, or do you obtain them through "legal" means?

mc68k

Jun 27, 2003, 12:00 AM

never legal, almost never from new comps

i used to segment system suitcases and finders over 13+ floppies back in the early days of 7.x

it's really a challenge more than anything. the saved $ goes 4 hardware anyways

wdlove

Jun 27, 2003, 09:57 AM

You should share some of your success stories mc68k!

scem0

Jun 27, 2003, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by wdlove
So are you saying that Steve's introduction to Panther was more hype than reality? What would you call the reality of Panther?

well, I just don't think that the update iw worth $120.... Not enough improved, too costly.

scem0

shadowfax

Jun 27, 2003, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by scem0
well, I just don't think that the update iw worth $120.... Not enough improved, too costly.

scem0 i still think it's hard to say for sure. some of the additional work they have done adds up to more features than i have seen in software costing that much. for example, the new networking style that will save me some kernel panics, exposé, new iChat (it will end up costing $ on jag) that is much better than the original as well as AIM and so on, preview for superfast PDF viewing... it definitely seems worth the update price to me. i mean, as much as people spend on stuff like photoshop.... the upgrade to 7 was about 150$, and it didn't have nearly as many new features as panther will. it's a pretty standard upgrade price if you ask me. add to that that buying the full version costs the same... sounds like at least an OK deal to me. of course, whether or not it is worth it to you has no bearing on me ;)

Rower_CPU

Jun 27, 2003, 05:49 PM

Can anyone point me to Apple saying you'll get 10.3 for free with a G5? Thanks.

iJon

Jun 27, 2003, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Can anyone point me to Apple saying you'll get 10.3 for free with a G5? Thanks.
i never recall them saying that, but if they do it like last year new powermacs will ship with panther already installed. but last year they said jaguar would be out end of summer, not year.

iJon

Rower_CPU

Jun 27, 2003, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by iJon
i never recall them saying that, but if they do it like last year new powermacs will ship with panther already installed. but last year they said jaguar would be out end of summer, not year.

iJon

Exactly. Unless the G5s are delayed or Panther is ready waaaaay ahead of schedule, I'm not sure why people are saying it comes with a G5.

wdlove

Jun 27, 2003, 08:17 PM

If Apple follows it's usual procedure, purchasing a G5 in November with Jaguar and Panther comes out in December. Those individuals would get Panther for free such as S&H or a discount price!

tazo

Jun 29, 2003, 02:15 AM

yes. probably. if I have money. :D

ouketii

Jun 29, 2003, 12:09 PM

well, if you compare the % of people who switch to os x from 9 and the % of windows users going to XP, mac wins. businesses wouldnt even go to XP till after teh 1st service pack, and thats realy only because microsoft is ending support for its older os

P-Worm

Jun 29, 2003, 12:38 PM

I'm with scem0 on this one, I'm not so sure that this upgrade is worth the money for the average user. iChat AV is nice, but I don't know anyone physically that has a Mac so I have little use for it. I'm stuck using MSN most of the time. The PDF thing doesn't apply that mouch to me either, I think load times are snappy enough. Exposé is cool, but not worth $129. What I am really interested in is performance boosts. Feature wise, Panther looks a little weak. I'll probably end up getting it anyway so I can stay up with all of the other software updates though, so why am I bickering?

P-Worm

scem0

Jun 29, 2003, 10:41 PM

If I don't get it free with my G5 I am afraid I will have to get it by.... other means..... :(

scem0

Wonder Boy

Jun 29, 2003, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by scem0
well, I just don't think that the update iw worth $120.... Not enough improved, too costly.

scem0

10 -->10.1 Free- worth it due to stability
10.1-->10.2 $130- worth it due to speed and stability
10.2-->10.3 - We'll see, but the preview did not impress me all that much. It looks cool but like you said probably is not worth 130$.

Wonder Boy

Jun 29, 2003, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by Bunzi2k4
I'll get panther with an education discount. :-D

I get the dicount too, but I still won't spend 70$ on it!

shadowfax

Jun 29, 2003, 11:35 PM

if you all say so, i guess, but i really think you should get used to spending money on software rather than stealing it. for people who have used adobe photoshop and so on, legitimately, this is a kick in the can, hardly anything. but about other means. this is apple. if it's not worth it to you, don't steal from them. i can understand acquiring the beta by other means, since it isn't for sale, but when you can buy it, why steal?

scem0

Jun 29, 2003, 11:50 PM

Hmmmmm..... why I would steal it is hard to explain.

I don't want to say the update isn't worth ANY money, but I think it should come with the money I spent for my mac.

I have already spent $1,300 for a G5 and all the updates should come with it. I shouldnt have to pay extra for updates.

scem0

shadowfax

Jun 29, 2003, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by scem0
Hmmmmm..... why I would steal it is hard to explain.

I don't want to say the update isn't worth ANY money, but I think it should come with the money I spent for my mac.

I have already spent $1,300 for a G5 and all the updates should come with it. I shouldnt have to pay extra for updates.

scem0 no, you get what you pay for, and if apple doesn't decide to give you a free upgrade since you bought it, that's really their business. if Panther doesn't come till december you probably will have to pay for it, and i think that's fair. if you want it with your computer, buy it then. if you get your computer in august and panther comes in september and there is no upgrade for the price of a CD and shipping (20$ like the double point upgrades), i can understand your frustration, but it's also conceivable that this OS may not debut till 5 months after you get your computer. that doesn't inherently deserve a free upgrade.

wdlove

Jun 30, 2003, 11:15 AM

scem0

Jun 30, 2003, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by wdlove
You could always hold off your purchase of a G5 till the end of the year. The Mac OS X 10.3 should come pre-installed!

you could tie me up, put me in a concrete room with not doors or windows, and monitor my every move and I would still manage to get a g5.

I am sick of this PC. :o

scem0

wdlove

Jun 30, 2003, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by scem0
you could tie me up, put me in a concrete room with not doors or windows, and monitor my every move and I would still manage to get a g5.

I am sick of this PC. :o

scem0

I would not want to prevent you from your new G5 scem0. Just making a suggestion to save $129. It sounds as though waiting is not an option! :)

scem0

Jun 30, 2003, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by wdlove
I would not want to prevent you from your new G5 scem0. Just making a suggestion to save $129. It sounds as though waiting is not an option! :)

yeah, you could say that.... ;)

I still think apple will provide panther as a free upgrade to G5 buyers. It just seems unfair not to provide it.

scem0

shadowfax

Jun 30, 2003, 04:15 PM

we'll find out. i am pretty sure they will end up charging you 20$ for the CD, but they probablly won't charge full price. what monitor are you going to use with the thing? i hope it's not a tacky old CRT, unless it's an FD trinitron. 19 inches at the least in that case.

wdlove

Jun 30, 2003, 08:26 PM

I would like to see scem0 get a 23" Cinema Display. It would be a great asset for his Photoshop. Then he could have iChat going also! For his sake I hope that Apple will provide 10.3 at the $19.95 S&H cost!

shadowfax

Jun 30, 2003, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by wdlove
I would like to see scem0 get a 23" Cinema Display. It would be a great asset for his Photoshop. Then he could have iChat going also! For his sake I hope that Apple will provide 10.3 at the $19.95 S&H cost! a 23 inch display doesn't sound like scem at all. he's a pretty cheap sort, out of necessity granted, but i would doubt he would even get a 17 inch studio display... but for god's sakes, emerson, get an LCD!

wdlove

Jul 1, 2003, 11:27 AM

The iSight would definitely fit better on top of an LCD, that is if he has an interest. Just maybe scem0 will suprise us!

scem0

Jul 2, 2003, 11:24 AM

I already have my 18.1" Gateway FPD1830 LCD Display. :D.

I love it. And at $400 I couldn't be happier.

I'm a cheap guy, eh????

Yeah, thats true....... :o ;) :D

scem0