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MacRumors
Aug 21, 2001, 03:52 PM
As reported by xlr8yourmac.com (http://www.xlr8yourmac.com), a download link appeared (http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=11756&db=mac) on VersionTracker for MacOS 9.2.1 (82MB in size). Go get it!

menoinjun
Aug 21, 2001, 04:05 PM
What are the differences? I was under the impression that the only things different from 9.1 was some hardware drivers for QS G4's, and I don't have one. Can someone tell me a good reason to download this?
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-Pete

john123
Aug 21, 2001, 04:15 PM
Using 9.2.1 right now...reasons are updated Classic support, CarbonLib 1.4, and to be the coolest kid on the block.

If you are on dialup, leave your computer on all night and do it. No big deal. And for those of us on T1s/T3s, well, it took about 10-15 minutes to download.

Lucs
Aug 21, 2001, 05:50 PM
Does 9.2 re-arrange your folders like 9.1?

thedbp
Aug 21, 2001, 05:51 PM
It took me about 6 minutes on a cable modem. too bad my outgoing bandwidth is for the birds.

Has anyone read the 9.2.1 updater log after installing? It touches nearly EVERY SINGLE component of the system, from the DVD Player down to the modem drivers. This really is a super tune-up finale to the Mac OS as it has been. Granted, we'll see 9.5 I bet, but this update is SWEEEEEET. Just download it and don't think about it.

thedbp

john123
Aug 21, 2001, 07:16 PM
when it first came out and everyone and his brother was downloading 9.2.1......

ezotyrik
Aug 21, 2001, 08:55 PM
I cringe at the notion of lumping together the performance of a T1 and a T3.

gandalf55
Aug 21, 2001, 09:00 PM
OS 9.2.1 is a speed demon.

Running on an old Yosemite G3...
My restarts are about 1/2 of what they were before.

All apps launch supa' fast now. No problems yet. This update is kick ass.

I can only hope 10.1 is anything as fast as this... otherwise what's the point for now? wow... I like launching apps now!!

Xistor
Aug 22, 2001, 07:05 AM
Seems like 9.2.1 boots up a lot faster than 9.1 did.. This I would think would translate into faster Classic mode boot up under 10.0.4, but I couldn't tell that it was any faster booting Classic.

Someone else said DVD playback was updated, but it seems the same, I have no idea what was updated since the application version is still 2.7.

Check out the "About the Finder" menu option (hold down option and go to the Apple menu).. they dropped out that long scrolling list of Finder version #s and names.. now it's just two short paragraphcs.. hmmm)

What isn't fixed.. still not 100% Java complient.
(Still no access to mail in Hushmail.com etc)

Gipetto
Aug 22, 2001, 09:28 AM
I use about 20MB less ram as well now. Reboots are definitely faster on a G3 233.

thedbp
Aug 22, 2001, 10:08 AM
Network transfers seem to be faster, internet access seems to be improved, I watched Apocalypse Now DVD last night and it barely hiccuped (a couple times, but not as much as under 9.1). I DEFINITELY noticed a VERY large speed increase in loading Classic under X, as well as faster boot times running 9.2 by itself.

I want to update my 8600 to 9.2.1 as well, but it won't let me!!!! Says it won't run on that model... Grrrrr ... it seems that there are so many additional benefits other than just the X-related that it should be installable, but they've nixed that. Oh well. If anyone has a workaround, let me know.

Simon Liquid
Aug 22, 2001, 10:09 AM
Can anyone tell me the difference between 9.2 and 9.2.1? Does this speed gap exist here as well?

I find 9.2 hard to compare with my 9.1 experience-things load much faster but I attribute that more to the difference between a Rev. B iMac and 733 g4.

Simon

carlsson
Aug 22, 2001, 10:41 AM
So, who's complaining now?!

There's always a little give and litte take - what you didn't got in NY, you get now!


/I love Apple

benvp
Aug 22, 2001, 11:23 AM
Does anyone know if MacOS 9.2.1 can be installed on macs which don't have MacOS X installed?

matthewBmedia
Aug 22, 2001, 12:09 PM
Installed last night, and everything seems a lot quicker!

Reboot time is definitely cut in 1/2 on my stock G3 300. (with a slight ram upgrade).

No problems sofar.

Note: I do not have OSX installed on my G3.

Waiting to install 9.2.1 on my sawtooth because I've read that some people have had trouble with their Yamaha 2100 E internal CD/RW...

john123
Aug 22, 2001, 12:26 PM
I'm using a Pismo PowerBook, and I'll tell you...I can't tell one iota of speed difference between 9.1 and 9.2.1. Not in startup, apps launching, Internet, file transfers...nada.

igordi
Aug 22, 2001, 12:50 PM
I read all the posts last night and got a little excited about all the reports of speed increases but the only impressive thing was the actual download from Apple (122KB/sec). I already had 9.1 and also X but I don't see any speed increase so far.

Cheezy
Aug 22, 2001, 12:50 PM
Will it install over french localized OS 9.1 ?

john123
Aug 22, 2001, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by Cheezy
Will it install over french localized OS 9.1 ?

It will -- just make sure you get the right version of the updater. They were not immediately available last night, but they should be now.

benvp
Aug 22, 2001, 03:02 PM
I just installed 9.2 in french on my iMac, so I can tell you it definetly works. And it's great!

pfm
Aug 22, 2001, 07:38 PM
i installed 9.2.1 last night from 9.1 and now my volume keys on my keyboard work totally differentlky, and in fact only control the volume in iTunes. the volume bar doesn't come up on the bottom of the screen at all. wtf?

pfm

Franck
Aug 22, 2001, 08:15 PM
Here's the french updater...
http://download.info.apple.com/Mac_OS/French-Universal/Macintosh/System/Mac_OS_9.2.1_Update/Single-File/Mac_OS_9.2.1_Update.smi.bin

gandalf55
Aug 22, 2001, 10:24 PM
If your Mac goes to sleep (whether manually or via timer you set in Energy Saver), when your Mac wakes back up... everything slows to a crawl.

Open SimpleText after waking from sleep and it takes about a sec to read each character typed into the text field. IE slows down, it seems like there is a huge problem here. I don't know if it's releated somehow to a memory leak or a really bad piece of code someplace which is killing the processor after waking up or what...

has anyone else noticed a super slowdown after waking up?

i always set my Mac to sleep when I'm not using it, to save on Restart time. but now it seems like i have no choice but to shut down a lot now.

this is happening every time too - wasn't a fluke thing. like clockwork, sleep kills my Mac.

This is pissing me off.

JayR
Aug 23, 2001, 10:19 AM
I heard that there was an added "Aqua" Theme in 9.2.1 from MOSR.... anyone find this?

It's not on my copy.... :-(

JJ
Aug 23, 2001, 10:35 AM
Yes, this can be done. Actually, I am running it on a g4 right now without osx, and it runs smoothly. There are, however, some extensions that are conflicting with my CD burner that I didn't have before. I still have to figure out which... so, besides the minor hiccups, I believe it to run faster. I will be installing it on my home machine which is a g3 beige with osx running... I'll have to let you know how that goes. OSX on my g3 is pretty much unuseable, but I had to buy it anywas - I am sure a lot of you know what I mean - anyways, to answer the question if it'll work or not w/o osx running, the answer is yes.

http://www.macrumors.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

C_a_r_s_t_e_n
Aug 23, 2001, 10:42 AM
Hi!
I just can say that on my wifes iMac 233 the speed increased impressively.
The previous 9.1 was a snail against 9.2.1!

CARSTEN

Green
Aug 23, 2001, 11:56 AM
I just installed 9.2.1 onto my iBook. Installation was clean, but I've been playing around for about 10 minutes and can find no discernable difference. Eh. No worries.

Simon Liquid
Aug 23, 2001, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by pfm
i installed 9.2.1 last night from 9.1 and now my volume keys on my keyboard work totally differentlky, and in fact only control the volume in iTunes. the volume bar doesn't come up on the bottom of the screen at all. wtf?

pfm

I have a Quicksilver 733 with OS 9.2. Whenever iTunes is running, the volume keys conrol the volume in iTunes only. When iTunes is closed, they act the same as in OS 9.1.

Is this true with yours too?

simon

bakdai
Aug 23, 2001, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by gandalf55
If your Mac goes to sleep (whether manually or via timer you set in Energy Saver), when your Mac wakes back up... everything slows to a crawl.

Open SimpleText after waking from sleep and it takes about a sec to read each character typed into the text field. IE slows down, it seems like there is a huge problem here. I don't know if it's releated somehow to a memory leak or a really bad piece of code someplace which is killing the processor after waking up or what...

has anyone else noticed a super slowdown after waking up?

i always set my Mac to sleep when I'm not using it, to save on Restart time. but now it seems like i have no choice but to shut down a lot now.

this is happening every time too - wasn't a fluke thing. like clockwork, sleep kills my Mac.

This is pissing me off.

bakdai
Aug 23, 2001, 04:12 PM
I noticed a slow wakeup in my powerbook G4. I called apple about it and they said that 9.2 will wake up slower. Nothing to be done. Today, I also noticed a hang in outlook express when I run it after in sleep too. Probably get the same answer. Anyone else have this problem?

Originally posted by gandalf55
If your Mac goes to sleep (whether manually or via timer you set in Energy Saver), when your Mac wakes back up... everything slows to a crawl.

Open SimpleText after waking from sleep and it takes about a sec to read each character typed into the text field. IE slows down, it seems like there is a huge problem here. I don't know if it's releated somehow to a memory leak or a really bad piece of code someplace which is killing the processor after waking up or what...

has anyone else noticed a super slowdown after waking up?

i always set my Mac to sleep when I'm not using it, to save on Restart time. but now it seems like i have no choice but to shut down a lot now.

this is happening every time too - wasn't a fluke thing. like clockwork, sleep kills my Mac.

This is pissing me off.

thedbp
Aug 23, 2001, 05:59 PM
yes, this has been a problem for me under 9.1 and 9.2 on both a G3 yosemite and a G4 Sawtooth and an 8600/300. I think apple should address this, cuz it doesn't happen on my Quadra 660's running 8.1 ;)

Xistor
Aug 23, 2001, 07:02 PM
It's been a whole day using 9.2.1, and I must say, it is much faster than 9.1 was under the Classic layer. Running aps in Classic mode under 10.0.4, the speed increase is *very* noticable. My Gawd, even Photo Shop is running at fullspeed now, no pokey windows etc.. totally instant response! I really can't tell the difference between Photoshop under 9.2.1 native, or under 10.0.4 using Classic mode... I'm impressed!
This is why we needed 9.2.1.. ;D

Kela
Aug 24, 2001, 04:37 AM
So people, should I update to 9.2 or is the difference nothing much?

have some aphex acid
Aug 24, 2001, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by Simon Liquid

I have a Quicksilver 733 with OS 9.2. Whenever iTunes is running, the volume keys conrol the volume in iTunes only. When iTunes is closed, they act the same as in OS 9.1.

Is this true with yours too?

simon


That's how it worked under 9.1, on my iBook.

Xistor
Aug 24, 2001, 06:13 PM
I did pre installation and post installation tests of 9.2.1 on 400 and 500 Mhz iMacs to see how 9.2.1 affects Classic Mode load time under 10.0.4 .. the results were not too stellar. Times listed are in minutes:seconds.

400 Mhz 9.1 Classic launch: 1:15
500 Mhz 9.1 Classic launch: 1:14

400 Mhz 9.2.1 Classic launch: 1:15
500 Mhz 9.2.1 Classic launch: 1:14

Well, there you have it.. it doesn't change loading time one bit.. at least for the Classic layer anyways..

What it DOES do however, is significantly boost the speed of applications! So, YES, it is worth the upgrade if you want to run the current version of PhotoShop (non-Carbon/non-Cocoa) at like 9.x native speed! It really has boosted the usefullness of heavy resource hogging apps.. Specifically, before I found Photoshop to be nearly unusable.. Now it's just like running it under System 9.. To cite a dramatic example, now a Command+Q gets an instant exit from Photoshop, less than 1 second to completely disappeared. :) Before, under 9.1 classic mode, it would take up to 10 seconds to shut down, spending about 2 seconds to close each photoshop tool window..

ThorPrime
Aug 28, 2001, 12:00 AM
Is to make shure to disable any extensions related to Ati Multimedia. This will prevent 9.2.1 from starting up. 9.2.1 installs it's own drivers without disabling old ones. I wen't through many a trouble shooting step before i nailed the conflict.

derryckw
Sep 8, 2001, 04:47 PM
I can't believe all the positive comments on 9.2.1, unless you have completely gone to OSX there really is absolutely no reason to trash a perfectly good 9.1 system.
I installed 9.2.1 on 3 computers, G3/300, Pismo500 and ibook500 and it sucks BIG TIME on all three, major slow downs, my tower drops to a crawl after about 10 minutes of use, I thought maybe the RAM (768MB) might be a problem so I switched over to my Pismo and it took about 15 minutes and I was in wait mode again, same story with the ibook. I suffered for 2 weeks and reverted back to 9.1.

On the positive side classic mode in OSX was much improved, which is really what the main intention of this update was.