(Spoilers Inside)

[MACDRIVE]

In this thread here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=306259), someone added "(Spoilers Inside)" to the thread title; I'm assuming at the frantic request of CanadaRam.

I didn't say anything about it in the thread because I didn't want to detract from the ongoing discussion of the movie, but I think this rule of having to incorporate a spoiler warning into the thread title is extremely silly and unnecessary.

The original thread title million dollar baby - the movie was plenty sufficient to alert forum members of story line details included in the thread. After all, when the thread title says "the movie" - I would think that would be a plenty sufficient warning of pending details. :cool:

[SilentPanda]

I'd have to agree with you... that's why I don't read the 24 thread or the Battlestar Galactica thread or the Lost thread...

That being said... it might be kinda cool to implement this in the forums.

http://www.vbulletin-faq.com/forum/showthread.php?t=909

[iBlue]

maybe that is a bit over the top (needing to put spoiler warnings in subjects) BUT even when people clearly stated that you should white text or warn SOMEHOW with a spoiler warning you still didn't bother to edit your post. So your title got it instead. Had I not seen the movie I would have been pissed too. Give some kind of warning if you are going to spoil the ending. Just as you saw it a while after release, others follow similar patterns.

[SilentPanda]

It should be expected though in a thread with the title of the movie. If it was a generic thread about movies, a spoiler tag and/or white text would have been appropriate. But a thread titled with the name of the movie I would just assume people were talking about the movie and I would probably veer away from it if I didn't want to know anything about it.

[PlaceofDis]

you can talk about any movie and have a discussion about it without any spoilers in the conversations, which is why having a warning is nice. or if we implemented the spoiler tags that'd work nicely too instead of 'white text'

and no, i don't think giving a warning is silly.

[MacNut]

If a movie has been out for more then a year I think it is fair game.

I would like to see the spoiler tags installed tho.

[mattscott306]

Honestly, I think if you are going to reveal a plot point (I'm not talking about what you *think* is going to happen, I'm saying a full on reveal of what you know) you should put up *spoiler* in the title.

[Dalriada]

I back very much CanadaRam's view... if one wishes to detail the storyline of a recent film then if only out of shear courtesy to other forum members one should slap a nice big fat spoiler notice beforehand.

- Dal

[MacNut]

"Million Dollar Baby" has been out for how many years now? I think that the majority of people that were going to see the movie have done so. If there is a discussion about the movie and you haven't seen it yet I would assume that things are going to be said about the plot and would not bother to read the thread.

[atszyman]

When talking about a specific movie there's only so far you can go before the discussion has to veer into plot points. You can discuss the acting/costumes/directing/effects ad nauseam but without plot points the movie discussion is somewhat limited and would get boring very quickly.

I can see posting warnings when discussing an upcoming movie when linking to/quoting articles and reviews that might give away points that could ruin it for others, however once the movie is released/show has aired spoilers in the threads should be assumed and if you don't want them don't read them. Some people are considerate and post spoilers in white text (I'm not usually one of them).

If the show has aired anywhere I stand firmly in the belief that any thread about that particular show can/will then contain spoilers. I'm even one who often doesn't get to watch a show for 2-3 days after it has aired so my solution has been to avoid the thread(s) until I watch (unless I don't care about ruining surprises) so it's not like I'm always one of the first to watch. Yes any point I may have wished to make about the episode may have already been covered but that's OK, I don't need to up my post count, and I realize I'm not always the first with every theory.

[SilentPanda]

The movie came on in Jan of 2005 and was released on DVD in July of 2005... it's been out plenty of time... Vader is Luke's dad, and E.T. phones home at this point...

I'm not saying they couldn't have put spoiler in the title, I just think at some point it doesn't mandate it anymore... personally after about Aug/Sep of 2005 I would have expected those who have seen it to have seen and those that haven't to not go looking at information on it if they were that concerned with the ending.

In a similar vein, all the TV Show threads we have contain no mention of plot spoiler in the title. People are usually courteous on the day or day after of airing but after that everybody assumes you know what happened on the last episode and it's talked about without white text and spoiler tags.

[TheAnswer]

I would love to see spoiler tags.

I also see the reasoning for the (Spoilers) on your thread as 1) It's completely possible to talk about movies without revealing key plot points.

2) In your thread, the plot points were given away in the first post. Someone entering the thread looking for reviews had no chance to gauge the direction of the thread before the plot points were revealed.

[MacNut]

In most of the TV show threads everyone agreed that we would post spoilers and that if you don't want to know that happens just don't read the thread.

[tobefirst]

I think I'm on the fence on this one. I appreciate the role that a spoiler tag (or white text) can play...but I'm like SilentPanda, I wouldn't be entering a thread about a movie/book/show without expecting the plot of the work being discussed. When the name of the thread is simply the title of the work, the plot is *exactly* what I expect to find in there.

[WildCowboy]

I do agree with CanadaRAM that I like to read threads giving general opinions of movies I haven't seen but don't want to read spoilers. Spoiler warnings in the thread title, white text, or a forum system for spoilers would all be fine in my view, but there should be some mechanism for providing warnings. I don't see how adding it hurts anyone, so why not do it?

Yes, I'm the mod who added the spoiler warning to the thread title after it was reported by someone, and that someone wasn't CanadaRAM.

I also added it to the thread about The Office after someone else reported it earlier this week. I almost got caught by that one myself. The thread was started before the show aired with speculation about how the season finale would go, and I followed the discussion for a bit. Later that day I saw there were new posts and clicked through to the thread, not realizing that the show had already aired on the East Coast and that people were discussing it. Fortunately nothing was really given away in the first post or two after airing, so I escaped with my ignorance intact.

[TheAnswer]

In most of the TV show threads everyone agreed that we would post spoilers and that if you don't want to know that happens just don't read the thread.

I also think the key difference is that most of the TV series we have threads about (Heroes, Lost, 24) are highly plot driven. While the characters are compelling, it's the on going plot that draws the commentary in the forums...also, these are complex plots that invite discussion of future events based on past occurrences and possible foreshadowing. You're basically expected to know what is going on or get caught up quickly.

A movie on the other hand (even if it has sequels)...is pretty much self contained. It's easier to talk about the experience as a whole, the production value, compare it to other movies of the same genre. While it will eventually lead to plot-point discussions, one doesn't go into the thread necessarily expecting a shotgun to the head of little plot-point pellets.

[MacNut]

I know the spoiler tag issue was brought up a few months ago, Is there any consensus about adding it from the higher ups?

[mattscott306]

I also added it to the thread about The Office after someone else reported it earlier this week.

Just out of curiousity then- how has the Heroes thread and the 24 thread gone this long without spoiler tags?

[MacNut]

Last year the regulars in the 24 thread decided that it will be a view at your own risk thread.

The episode when Edgar died tho we managed to keep quite till 1am for the west coast.

[SilentPanda]

The episode when Edgar died tho we managed to keep quite till 1am for the west coast.

HE WHAT?!!?!?!?

[TheAnswer]

Last year the regulars in the 24 thread decided that it will be a view at your own risk thread.

The episode when Edgar died tho we managed to keep quite till 1am for the west coast.

HE WHAT?!!?!?!?

Great...now this thread needs a (Spoilers) added. :D

[MacNut]

HE WHAT?!!?!?!?....I mean extended vacation.:rolleyes:

[atszyman]

I also think the key difference is that most of the TV series we have threads about (Heroes, Lost, 24) are highly plot driven. While the characters are compelling, it's the on going plot that draws the commentary in the forums...also, these are complex plots that invite discussion of future events based on past occurrences and possible foreshadowing. You're basically expected to know what is going on or get caught up quickly.

A movie on the other hand (even if it has sequels)...is pretty much self contained. It's easier to talk about the experience as a whole, the production value, compare it to other movies of the same genre. While it will eventually lead to plot-point discussions, one doesn't go into the thread necessarily expecting a shotgun to the head of little plot-point pellets.

But a movie is ultimately plot driven as well. You can talk overall/and non plot points only so long before the plot will come up. You could have the best effects/direction/acting/every other aspect but if there is not a compelling plot you won't get much discussion.

Last year the regulars in the 24 thread decided that it will be a view at your own risk thread.

The episode when Edgar died tho we managed to keep quite till 1am for the west coast.

Now that deserved a spoiler tag.

[WildCowboy]

I know the spoiler tag issue was brought up a few months ago, Is there any consensus about adding it from the higher ups?

I've raised the issue...we'll get back to you.

Just out of curiousity then- how has the Heroes thread and the 24 thread gone this long without spoiler tags?

No one reported them. They apparently got to the stage where they were so long that it was obvious that it was an ongoing thread discussing the latest happenings. That's not so obvious when threads are short.

[MacNut]

I've raised the issue...we'll get back to you.



No one reported them. They apparently got to the stage where they were so long that it was obvious that it was an ongoing thread discussing the latest happenings. That's not so obvious when threads are short.When I started the 24 thread this year I said up front that spoilers will happen in big red letters.The new trailer is out and we are only 2 months away from a new season of 24 as the buzz has started to build. So rather then keep the old thread going, this is the 24 season 6 thread.:)

CAUTION: This thread will contain spoilers. If you haven't watched the latest episode and don't want to know what happens then Don't read this thread.

View this thread at your own risk.:)

[mattscott306]

When I started the 24 thread this year I said up front that spoilers will happen in big red letters.

Which isn't going to be read by someone a few episodes down the road when the thread is innundated with posts. I'm not saying it isn't obvious that a TV show thread is going to have spoilers, but I do think if we put spoiler in the title of one thread it should be uniform for all similar threads.

[TheAnswer]

But a movie is ultimately plot driven as well. You can talk overall/and non plot points only so long before the plot will come up. You could have the best effects/direction/acting/every other aspect but if there is not a compelling plot you won't get much discussion.

But you can talk about the plot in general ways without giving way the ending. You can say how each characters arc added to or detracted from the plot, how certain things didn't feel like they worked well, that the plot as a whole was tight/loose...the pacing needed work, etc.

There's also a difference between an evolving discussion of a movie that eventually ends up explaining, comparing, debating various plot developments and a thread that basically gives away the ending in the first post.

[MACDRIVE]

I don't see how adding it hurts anyone, so why not do it?

Can we at least come up with another word besides spoilers?

Think of milk or yogurt that hasn't been kept refrigerated.

Think of salmonella poisoning.

The word and its meaning makes me feel sick and nauseated every time I see it.

[MacNut]

Can we at least come up with another word besides spoilers?

Think of milk or yogurt that hasn't been kept refrigerated.

Think of salmonella poisoning.

The word and its meaning makes me feel sick and nauseated every time I see it.spoiled and spoilers is different.

[PlaceofDis]

well its called a spoiler for a reason, its because its ruined, like spoiled milk.

[MACDRIVE]

The word reminds me of this story -

http://boe.berk.k12.wv.us/217/images/greenegg.gif

[SilentPanda]

Can we at least come up with another word besides spoilers?

Think of milk or yogurt that hasn't been kept refrigerated.

Think of salmonella poisoning.

The word and its meaning makes me feel sick and nauseated every time I see it.

Only if we can get the rest of the English language to convert with us...

[MACDRIVE]

(Orange Spoilers Inside)

http://www.bact.wisc.edu/themicrobialworld/penicillium_digitatum.jpg

[DavidLeblond]

I'm going to buy this shirt (http://www.threadless.com/product/844/Spoilt#top) and wear it to visit each and every one of you.

(WARNING: Shirt contains spoilers to 18 movies/tv shows)

[MACDRIVE]

This thread had really slowed down; I'm thinking it was the Green Eggs & Ham image.

[iBlue]

If a movie has been out for more then a year I think it is fair game.
Rubbish. People get to seeing movies in their own time. I just saw Casablanca (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0034583/) for the first time last year. I'm catching up on some old Bond films too. Not everyone jumps to see new movies.

Can we at least come up with another word besides spoilers?...

The word and its meaning makes me feel sick and nauseated every time I see it.
Tell me you're kidding. It's a word FFS! One with a meaning and a purpose.


What is the big deal about putting a warning that you're about to give away pivotal details of [whatever]? Have some courtesy.

(see, I didn't even use the word spoiler) :p

[Lau]

I hadn't heard of the film in question before.
I clicked on the thread as it looked like an interesting title.
I read the first post.
I now know what happens in the film.
The film looks good.
However, I probably now won't watch it.

I don't think you should be forced to put SPOILERS OMG!!!11 in the title, but it might be common courtesy to either do that, or put it in white text. If you let a door slam in someone's face, it's not illegal, but it's a civilised act to hold it open for them.

[MacRumorUser]

I don't think you should be forced to put SPOILERS OMG!!!11 in the title, but it might be common courtesy

Exactly, what's the big deal about showing a bit of courtesy ?

Spoiler alerts are fair game. Even if dont put it in the thread title, would it be so hard to start a thread with a simple sentance ?

Warning! Please note this post/thread may contain details that could spoil your enjoyment of said material. Please bare that in mind.

[MacNut]

Putting Spoiler in the tittle still wont help if you still click the first post and get the ending. I think people will get a false sense that the first few posts should be clean. Maybe say something like first post spoiler.

[SilentPanda]

It happened and we're wiser all around. Hopefully we can get a spoiler type BBCode in the near future and all the spoilers posted from then on can be posted as such. Yes it ruined the movie for some but it was clearly unintentional. A spoiler warning would have been nice but clearly some of us (including myself) didn't think it was necessary and would have made a similar mistake. With spoiler BBCode the whole thread could be filled with spoilers and only those that cared to open them would...

For the time being though we can just agree (I hope) to put spoiler in thread titles so people will know to watch out for them but also that if it doesn't say spoiler, you may at least want to be wary of it.

And..... cheese monkey soda pop changing a unicycle tire in a blizzard.

[Peace]

So does this mean there's going to be a ( spoilers inside ) tag when macrumorslive does the WWDC keynote ?

[SilentPanda]

So does this mean there's going to be a ( spoilers inside ) tag when macrumorslive does the WWDC keynote ?

/trout

Where's my IRC when I need it.

[Peace]

/trout

Where's my IRC when I need it.

/DCC Send SilentPanda better mIRC script for Trout-Slapping :p

[MACDRIVE]

Tell me you're kidding. It's a word FFS! One with a meaning and a purpose.


No I'm not kidding, I really hate the damn word.

Pivotal Details works just fine for me though. ;)

Speaking of Pivotal Details, your avatar has been doing a lot of pivoting lately. :p

[iBlue]

No I'm not kidding, I really hate the damn word.

Pivotal Details works just fine for me though. ;)

Speaking of Pivotal Details, your avatar has been doing a lot of pivoting lately. :p
it's ok, I don't like the word phlegm. thankfully it doesn't come up much.

I suppose any way of warning people that there are details about to be revealed works. I just like having the option.

My 'tar has been changed. The dancing girls avatars have run their course for now but here you go, the latest one I used for posterity.

</detour>

[MacNut]

It's probably best that the tar disapear because all I do is stare at it and get nothing done.:p :rolleyes:

[TheAnswer]

The dancing girls avatars have run their course for now but here you go, the latest one I used for posterity posteriority.

There...fixed that for ya. :D

[Zwhaler]

Now that I think of it, I actually agree with the OP. If there is a topic discussing the movie, its not like we are going to leave out the cool parts, becasuse we dont want people to be "spoiled". It should be common knowledge that if you want to read into a thread discussing a movie or show, that spoilers are likely to be inside.

[iBlue]

Now that I think of it, I actually agree with the OP. If there is a topic discussing the movie, its not like we are going to leave out the cool parts, becasuse we dont want people to be "spoiled". It should be common knowledge that if you want to read into a thread discussing a movie or show, that spoilers are likely to be inside.
maybe but not in the first post of the thread. and if it is about to be "spoiled" it should include at least some warning that details are about to be revealed. this is not difficult or too much to ask. just a warning. I can't even believe this courtesy is even in question. :rolleyes:

I'll quote Lau, who said it perfectly:
I don't think you should be forced to put SPOILERS OMG!!!11 in the title, but it might be common courtesy to either do that, or put it in white text. If you let a door slam in someone's face, it's not illegal, but it's a civilised act to hold it open for them.

[Teh Don Ditty]

Jeez the 24 Thread would be practically a bunch of blank messages then.

Me: So in this episode (spoils) and that's what happens
MacNut: Really (spoils) I can't believe that (spoils)
Matt: (Spoils) I personally think that (spoils)

Catch my drift.

I think a Warning in the thread title should be sufficient. That spoils code seems to me like it would be over kill.

[Vidd]

If you open such a thread you'd expect discussion of "spoilers".
Otherwise, there'd be so little to talk about.

On a related note, the Wikipedia spoilers tag is being debated for deletion.

[MOFS]

I hadn't heard of the film in question before.
I clicked on the thread as it looked like an interesting title.
I read the first post.
I now know what happens in the film.
The film looks good.
However, I probably now won't watch it.

I don't think you should be forced to put SPOILERS OMG!!!11 in the title, but it might be common courtesy to either do that, or put it in white text. If you let a door slam in someone's face, it's not illegal, but it's a civilised act to hold it open for them.

Exactly. I saw the title (million dollar baby) and thought it might be some kind of documentary on a rich kid. Ambiguous titles are useless. Similarly, I think people need to remember that this is not a US only site. Many films and TV shows come out here in the UK and the rest of Europe a good 6 months afterwards (eg Grindhouse: Death Proof is out in September, Planet Terror doesn't een have a release date!). So please - if in doubt, white it out...

[jav6454]

Sometime I wish we would have a spoilers button or option to hide certain information.... It would really help alot in many discussions.

[Eraserhead]

I know, I was gutted to learn that Santa wasn't real in PRSI :(.

Seriously this sounds like a solid idea, but not that important IMO.

[jav6454]

Think of spoilers tag hiding an image you warn has x theme.