Apple and Microsoft: WHO STOLE WHAT FROM WHOM [add to the list!!!]

[michael-appleru]

Today, I come not to you for help, but to you for a discussion.

WHO STOLE WHAT FROM WHOM

Apple Stole:


Microsoft Stole:
iPod (Zune) -competing product
iMovie (Windows Movie Maker)
iCal (Calendar included with Vista)
iPhoto (included with Vista)
100% stolen- Chess (Chess program included with Vista{a COMPLETE duplicate of Apple's Chess})
Dashboard and Widgets
Spotlight



Please correct me if I'm wrong and more to this list
Thanks for your help

[furcalchick]

ms stole also, iphoto, expose, aqua, os x, the start menu.

[yg17]

There's a difference between blatant stealing and making a competing product. I think it's fair to say that iWork and the Zune fall under the latter. WMM, Chess and Calendar can go either way, I haven't used them enough to say what they are.

[michael-appleru]

What has Apple stole from Microsoft?? It is a two way street right???

[psychofreak]

Chess is one one the list I see as a COMPLETE rip-off, not just a competitor.

MS stole Widgets, and turned them into Gadgets...

[psychofreak]

ms stole also [...] aqua, os x, the start menu.Whaa!? Take these off the list please...

There are examples of MS copying Aqua, but the Vista UI is MUCH worse. The start menu? And OSX, what the hell?

MS now has built in search, but this can be seen either as a rip-off of spotlight, or a natural evolution.

iWork is NOT a theft by Apple from MS...at all...

[EngBrian]

MS stole Widgets, and turned them into Gadgets...

I was under the impression that MS demoed sidebar before dashboard came out.

[decksnap]

Pages is not a ripoff or competitor to Word. They have two different goals.

[bearbo]

Pages is not a ripoff or competitor to Word. They have two different goals.

agree, Pages is more like a competitor to Publisher

[decksnap]

The only crossover between iWork and Office is keynote/powerpoiint. You might want to clarify that.

I believe Apple 'stole' fast user switching.

[boganrulz]

michael-appleru
Apple Stole:

Microsoft Office, and made it completely better!!(iWork) -competing product:mad:


Ppl should no that appple didnt steal office. Bill gates saw that having Office in a mac would gt him lots of money. He let Mac use office. And became a stock holder for apple. He ownes 10% of apple. Thats why apple has, thay didnt steal it bill let them:)

Apple doesnt sink that low
Boganrulz wz here

[Oryan]

Dashboard and Widgets

Then again you could say Apple stole those from Konfabulator.

[decksnap]

Boganrulz wz here

What a misguided post. Microsoft makes Office Mac, not Apple.

[psychofreak]

The only clear "stole from" instead of "inspired by, and took a bit to improve their product" is Chess...

Its quite likely MS wouldn't have had tabs in IE7 without Firefox, but its not really fair to say they 'stole' them, is it?

[boganrulz]

What a misguided post. Microsoft makes Office Mac, not Apple.

Yes i no that microsoft makes office. my point was tha mac didnt steal it microsoft let them for a price.
:apple: gives Microsoft shares microsoft gives :apple: office
Boganrulz wz here

PS and might i say it is still on Office for mac 2004

[Oryan]

:mad:


Ppl should no that appple didnt steal office. Bill gates saw that having Office in a mac would gt him lots of money. He let Mac use office. And became a stock holder for apple. He ownes 10% of apple. Thats why apple has, thay didnt steal it bill let them:)

Apple doesnt sink that low
Boganrulz wz here

1) I can barely understand you.
2) Microsoft sold those 150,000 shares they bought in 1997 a long time ago. The (non-voting!) shares totaled only about 2% of Apple's market share. According to my quick research, MSFT only owns less than 0.005% of Apple's outstanding stock and it is through a fund in which Apple is also invested.

[boganrulz]

2) Microsoft sold those 150,000 shares they bought in 1997 a long time ago. The (non-voting!) shares totaled only about 2% of Apple's market share. According to my quick research, MSFT only owns less than 0.005% of Apple's outstanding stock and it is through a fund in which Apple is also invested.


My point was that Apple didn't steal Office. As suggested, they bought it. That is my point nothing else. Sorry for any grammar in other messages, i am rather rushed at the moment.

Boganrulz wz here:)

[michael-appleru]

iWork made by apple

Microsoft Office For Mac made by Microsoft
Microsoft Office For Windows made by Microsoft

[psychofreak]

My point was that Apple didn't steal Office. As suggested, they bought it. That is my point nothing else. Sorry for any grammar in other messages, i am rather rushed at the moment.

Boganrulz wz here:)

No one said that - People said that the iWork was a theft of Microsoft's ideas put into Office :)

And we know that you wz here without you telling us...

[Brize]

Then again you could say Apple stole those from Konfabulator.

Then again you could say Konfabulator stole those from Apple.

http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Desk_Ornaments.txt

[boganrulz]

I will put my point in dotpoint form

People should no that appple didnt steal office
Bill gates saw that having Microsoft Office on a competitors computer would get him lots of money.
He let Mac use office. For the price of 10% of Apple Shares.
Thats why apple has Office for mac, thay didnt steal it, Bill Gates let them buy it.
Better?:confused:

Boganrulz wz here

[psycoswimmer]

My point was that Apple didn't steal Office. As suggested, they bought it. That is my point nothing else. Sorry for any grammar in other messages, i am rather rushed at the moment.

Boganrulz wz here:)

Apple didn't have to buy Office from Microsoft. I remember reading around here that MS was "forced" to create and Office for Mac for monopolistic reasons? Not sure, actually.

zycosw1mer wz hr.

[yg17]

Apple didn't buy Office. Microsoft has always owned the rights to Office. They decided to make a Mac version of it. Apple had nothing to do with it.

[boganrulz]

iWork made by apple

Microsoft Office For Mac made by Microsoft
Microsoft Office For Windows made by Microsoft

iwork is the bundle that Office Comes in for mac

[Blue Velvet]

iwork is the bundle that Office Comes in for mac

No it isn't.

[boganrulz]

Apple didn't buy Office. Microsoft has always owned the rights to Office. They decided to make a Mac version of it. Apple had nothing to do with it.

But they only let mac use it after getting a rather large amount of shares from apple

[psycoswimmer]

iwork is the bundle that Office Comes in for mac

No, iWork is a two-part package that only runs on Macs. It contains Pages and Keynote.

http://www.apple.com/iwork/

Edit:
But they only let mac use it after getting a rather large amount of shares from apple

And no again.

[boganrulz]

No it isn't.

Well wateva it is Mac didnt steal Office.
Which has been my point all along

[Cassie]

I can't see this thread ending well...but yes, I do think Apple stole fast user switching from Microsoft.

Well wateva it is Mac didnt steal Office.
Which has been my point all along

No duh... Office is made for both Windows and Mac OS, whoever said they did steal it?

[TheAnswer]

1. People should no that appple didnt steal office
2. Bill gates saw that having Microsoft Office on a competitors computer would get him lots of money.
3. He let Mac use office. For the price of 10% of Apple Shares.
4. Thats why apple has Office for mac, thay didnt steal it, Bill Gates let them buy it.
5. Better?:confused:

Boganrulz wz here

1. We do, but not for the reasons you supply
2. True, but he also had other concerns (pending monopoly charges)
3. Wrong...Microsoft invested in Apple to keep them as a competitor (same monopoly concerns, plus cheap R&D source)
4. Microsoft produces Office: Mac...Apple doesn't have anything to do with it (other than it's running on a Mac), it's not like Bill Gates sold them the rights to it.

daAnsR wz up n har

[psycoswimmer]

I can't see this thread ending well...but yes, I do think Apple stole fast user switching from Microsoft.

But Windows doesn't have a cool cube transition like Apple. :)

Was Windows Media Center released before Front Row?

[boganrulz]

But Windows doesn't have a cool cube transition like Apple. :)

Was Windows Media Center released before Front Row?

No it wasnt, it came out on vista

[psycoswimmer]

No it wasnt, it came out on vista

No, Media Center has been out way before Vista. My friend got a Windows Box last year that had Media Center on it...

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[bearbo]

iwork is the bundle that Office Comes in for mac

You, my friend, is REALLY confused. iWork hardly has ANYTHING to do with Office, let along Microsoft. Aside from the alleged stealing of Office ideas by Apple.

[iSaint]

MS stole a windows based OS created by Apple in the 1980s. Isn't that where it all started? :confused:

[boganrulz]

MS stole a windows based OS created by Apple in the 1980s. Isn't that where it all started? :confused:
I guess it is, so this whole disscusion can be led back 27 years?:eek:
Stupid MS

[mjstew33]

MS stole a windows based OS created by Apple in the 1980s. Isn't that where it all started? :confused:

Beat me to it.

Well they stole the whole concept, atleast. . . the GUI, etc.

Oh, and the mouse -- Apple bought it from Xerox I believe, and then Microsoft took that over, I think

i may be wrong, though.

[zap2]

to say MS stole the Zune, or Apple stole iWork would be foolish...that like saying Palm stole the Palm Pilot from Apple. They are similar but different ideas.

[zioxide]

This thread is pointless. Nobody cares what technologies are similar in the operating systems. And I love how you say Microsoft stole all of these things from Apple

Microsoft Stole:
iPod (Zune) -competing product
iMovie (Windows Movie Maker)
iCal (Calendar included with Vista)
iPhoto (included with Vista)
100% stolen- Chess (Chess program included with Vista{a COMPLETE duplicate of Apple's Chess})
expose,
Dashboard and Widgets
Spotlight

According to your logic:

iPod/Zune: Apple did not invent the mp3 player
iMovie: Apple did not invent NLE
iCal: Apple did not invent the calendar
Chess: Apple did not invent Chess
Widgets: Konfabulator was out way before widgets in os x

Therefore, Apple stole all of these ideas too.

[sushi]

My point was that Apple didn't steal Office. As suggested, they bought it. That is my point nothing else. Sorry for any grammar in other messages, i am rather rushed at the moment.

Boganrulz wz here:)
Some suggestions:

- You don't need to tell us you were here. We know that by your post(s).

- Don't post if you don't have time to understand the topic and make a cognitive response that everyone can understand.

- You might want to research the subject at hand before posting.

[psychofreak]

iCal: Apple did not invent the calendar


However, if you look at Windows's calendar next to iCal, you can see A LOT of similarities which are beyond "inspiration" and closer to theft of ideas...

[yg17]

According to your logic:

iPod/Zune: Apple did not invent the mp3 player
iMovie: Apple did not invent NLE
iCal: Apple did not invent the calendar
Chess: Apple did not invent Chess
Widgets: Konfabulator was out way before widgets in os x

Therefore, Apple stole all of these ideas too.


If I walk into Target and steal a DVD, is it really not stealing since Target didn't invent the DVD?

That said, I agree that with these examples, M$ isn't stealing

[ErikCLDR]

Just gonna say this quickly here

The iPod wasn't the first MP3 player, iMovie was not the first video editing software (but probably the first packaged on al computers), widgets and gadgets are kinda stolen from konfobulator.

Honestly, Microsoft was 5 years too late with the Zune.

[GFLPraxis]

Today, I come not to you for help, but to you for a discussion.

WHO STOLE WHAT FROM WHOM

Apple Stole:


COMPETES WITH -Microsoft PowerPoint, Word, and Publisher and made it completely better!! with iWork www.apple.com/iWork

Creating a competing product doesn't really qualify as stealing, especially if the interface and concepts of using the application are totally different. Regardless, if we take your definition of stolen, Microsoft stole Word from Lotus Notes and apps like that, and they in turn stole it from typewriters.


Microsoft Stole:
iPod (Zune) -competing product
iMovie (Windows Movie Maker)

While the Zune was pretty much a "me too!" product, at least they didn't copy the interface and scroll wheel.


iCal (Calendar included with Vista)
iPhoto (included with Vista)
100% stolen- Chess (Chess program included with Vista{a COMPLETE duplicate of Apple's Chess})
Interface is identical, so yeah, direct ripoffs. The concept of a Calendar or photo organizer aren't ripoffs, but these products are exact duplicates.


expose,

Please. Vista doesn't have anything NEAR the usefulness of expose. :)


Dashboard and Widgets
Spotlight


Granted, these aren't original Apple ideas (see Google Desktop and Konfabulator).

[GFLPraxis]

But they only let mac use it after getting a rather large amount of shares from apple


Rather large? It was like 3%. And it was non-voting shares. And Apple since bought it back.

[Nym]

People get it all wrong.

It's not who comes up with the product "first", it's who gets it right faster.

I think what happens is that M$ "tries" to capture the "feel" of Apple products, the "cool" factor, the "it just works" principle, now, wether they get it right or not it's up to you to form an opinion.

Apple copies when it needs too, M$ too.

M$ just seems to be a little more... "needy", LMAO!

http://www.mackido.com/

(Information about xerox story and other Apple controversies)

[michael-appleru]

iWork www.apple.com/iWork contains Pages and Keynote and is made by Apple

Word and PowerPoint comes in Microsoft Office which is made by Microsoft

[Sun Baked]

How can Apple steal iWork from someone else, they have been making similar integrated application for 20+ years.

AppleWorks released for Apple 2 in 1984 (http://apple2history.org/history/ah19.html)

Of course iWork is a step back and forward at the same time, since a major chunk of functionality was lost while AppleWorks withers.

Come out with the spreadsheet already Apple and add a Filemaker Lite package to the box...

[clevin]

But Windows doesn't have a cool cube transition like Apple. :)


it does, try do a google search for "windows cube". but of course, best cube is in linux, at least for now...or in next 2 years

ps. u can even do a cube effect when switching tabs in firefox, which, obviously, is windows only, and D3D sponsored.

To all, the topic is insane, steal is totally abused, first, OP better define what a "steal" is. Its not like in order to do something, only one app is allowed, and nobody should compete with that "first in kind"?

[r1ch4rd]

This whole argument is just stupid. Let's take firefox for example. They invent tabbed browsing (I don't know if they did but let's just assume) and it was a good idea. Really makes browsing easier. Is nobody else ever allowed to use this idea without being accused of stealing?

If people didn't take inspiration from what came before we would be nowhere. Standing on the shoulders of giants and all of that. People should be glad that good ideas are recognised and make their way into more products. If all software continues to get better (Microsofts, Apples, Whoevers) who exactly is losing here?