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MacRumors

Jun 4, 2007, 06:05 PM

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Based on all rumblings, we are very confident that MacBook Pros will be arriving in the morning (Tues, June 5th)... but the exact specs of the new laptops are uncertain.

However, piecing together various reports, here are the possible specs for (some) of the new MacBook Pros.

- 2.2GHz, 4mb shared L2 cache, 2GB of 667mhz ram, 120gb, GeForce 8600M GT 128mb
- 2.4GHz, 4mb shared L2 cache, 2GB of 667mhz ram, 160gb, GeForce 8600M GT 256mb

Prices range from $2000 for the 15" low end up to $3050 for the "ultimate" 17" model, which may be a retail store specific configuration. Apple's Back to School promotion is also expected kick off in the morning and offer up a 4GB iPod Nano (or $199 discount on other iPod) with Mac purchase. The iPhone appears to be excluded from this discount.

Unfortunately, more details aren't available. While parts of this report seem to be corroborated, these specs should be taken with a grain of salt.

rdowns

Jun 4, 2007, 06:07 PM

Who cares about MBPs? We need more iPhone rumors. :rolleyes:

I predict that no matter what Apple releases, multiple threads complaining about the specs will appear.

flopticalcube

Jun 4, 2007, 06:10 PM

Why nVidia 8600 and not ATI HD2600?

Gymnut

Jun 4, 2007, 06:11 PM

Hmm..is the Nvidia 8600GT a major step up over the current GPU in the MBP's?

zapp

Jun 4, 2007, 06:11 PM

Why nVidia 8600 and not ATI HD2600?

AMD bought ATI

flopticalcube

Jun 4, 2007, 06:12 PM

Don't see that as a restriction though. AMD still wants to make some money, don't they?

saxondale.

Jun 4, 2007, 06:13 PM

If this is true, i definitely wont feel my C2D is missing out.

iSee

Jun 4, 2007, 06:13 PM

I would have expected the 800MHz front-side bus.

Edit: or is that different that the RAM clock?

Pim

Jun 4, 2007, 06:13 PM

Let's wait and see what tomorrow has in store ("in store", gettit?) for us.. :)

GekkePrutser

Jun 4, 2007, 06:16 PM

I would have expected the 800MHz front-side bus.

Yeah mee too, if it's really 667 Mhz FSB then that means no Santa Rosa :(

Well we'll see in the morning!

andyh2

Jun 4, 2007, 06:16 PM

Damn I just bought a macbook pro about a month ago....whatever, it's fast enough :P

d_and_n5000

Jun 4, 2007, 06:16 PM

Let's wait and see what tomorrow has in store ("in store", gettit?) for us.. :)

Bad pun alert, weewoo weewoo!

Alright, back on topic: I think its pretty much a given. That MBP is looking like an awful bad deal with the MacBook revision, Apple needs to fix it ASAP.

kingofkolt

Jun 4, 2007, 06:17 PM

I would have expected the 800MHz front-side bus.

Edit: or is that different that the RAM clock?

Yes, that is different from the RAM clock. No, I don't get it either...

Let's wait and see what tomorrow has in store ("in store", gettit?) for us.. :)

FUNNY

(not)

Chef Medeski

Jun 4, 2007, 06:18 PM

Don't see that as a restriction though. AMD still wants to make some money, don't they?

But if one company is giving you huge discounts and "working closely" with you on products. I'm pretty sure you are or they are going to force you to adhere to not buying from their competitors.

BenRoethig

Jun 4, 2007, 06:19 PM

Why nVidia 8600 and not ATI HD2600?

The nvidia chips are significantly faster.

Hmm..is the Nvidia 8600GT a major step up over the current GPU in the MBP's?

Should be close to double the performance of the x1600.

GroundLoop

Jun 4, 2007, 06:19 PM

Yeah mee too, if it's really 667 Mhz FSB then that means no Santa Rosa :(

Well we'll see in the morning!

It does include Santa Rosa. It is just using a slower RAM because the 800MHz stuff is still very expensive.

Hickman

BigPrince

Jun 4, 2007, 06:19 PM

2.4 ghz means SR WOOT WOOT

flopticalcube

Jun 4, 2007, 06:19 PM

Yes, that is different from the RAM clock. No, I don't get it either...

IIRC, you can stick slower RAM in and the chipset will compensate. It still may have a Santa Rosa chipset.

kingofkolt

Jun 4, 2007, 06:20 PM

IIRC, you can stick slower RAM in and the chipset will compensate. It still may have a Santa Rosa chipset.

What I don't get though, is why they don't use 800Mhz RAM? Is it just too expensive? (Apple never seemed to have a problem with that in the past ;) )

toxic-waste

Jun 4, 2007, 06:20 PM

The shipping time on MBP's in Denmark sweden and norway have grown, not an exact indication, but could mean apple is running out of stock. Wait time is 3-5 days now instead of 24 hours. (Though Sweden DOES have the baseline MBP shipping within 24 hours)

:D

flopticalcube

Jun 4, 2007, 06:20 PM

But if one company is giving you huge discounts and "working closely" with you on products. I'm pretty sure you are or they are going to force you to adhere to not buying from their competitors.

Could be. Although Intel is the largest maker of integrated graphics chips, so technically, nVidia is also a competitor.

torrino

Jun 4, 2007, 06:21 PM

kingofkolt

Jun 4, 2007, 06:22 PM

I'm just so doggone excited..

(Yup, that's really all I had to say. Nothing intelligent to contribute. Keep scrolling...)

iSee

Jun 4, 2007, 06:22 PM

scrambledwonder

Jun 4, 2007, 06:23 PM

WOW. Awesome!

And sheesh, looks like I'll be "forced" go with the higher end model to get the 160 GB hard drive! ;)

kingofkolt

Jun 4, 2007, 06:24 PM

I don't see this happening.

120 GB HDD when the BlackBook has 160? Rrrrrrright.

Agreed. That's not happening.

Only a .04 GHz upgrade? No Santa Rosa on the base?

Those are the Santa Rosa specs (2.2GHz is an SR speed). .04 GHz is the biggest speed upgrade SR offers.

I guess LED screens could make up for a new, non-Santa Rosa low-end MBP. But the hard drive can't be below the BlackBook.

I can't really see them releasing some MBP's with SR and some without. I think they'll all be SR, and the 15's will get LED.

whateverandever

Jun 4, 2007, 06:24 PM

What I don't get though, is why they don't use 800Mhz RAM? Is it just too expensive? (Apple never seemed to have a problem with that in the past ;) )

Look around. Where exactly do you see 800MHz DDR2 ram? =p

It's not for sale to the public at all right now. No other computer manufacturers are including 800MHz ram in their Santa Rosa laptops either.

No Santa Rosa widespread = no reason for RAM manufacturers to make 800MHz so-dimms. Hence the chipset must be widespread before the RAM is made available for it.

yagran

Jun 4, 2007, 06:24 PM

i really hope they put a nicer keyboard in than the current one, i hate that keyboard, im not compatible with it at all

toxic-waste

Jun 4, 2007, 06:28 PM

Only Steve and a select few know what is really going into the laptop, and I don't think they wanted to risk their jobs telling everyone about it...
So we don't know anything other then its probably coming out tomorrow.

But it HAS to differ a lot more from the Macbook then it currently does:P

BigPrince

Jun 4, 2007, 06:28 PM

"Prices range from $2000 for the 15" low end up to $3050 for the "ultimate" 17" model, which may be a retail store specific configuration."

whats that mean?

travistaylor

Jun 4, 2007, 06:30 PM

Well, I honestly am not too worried about what the update includes. I have been waiting for this update all year. I am going to be purchasing the upper-end 15" model tomorrow morning right after the Apple Store opens back up.

I will be somewhat disappointed if these specs are true, it seems like they would increase the RAM by at least 512MB for the upper-end 15" to set it apart from the lower-end 15" MBP. However, like I said, as long as they update them, I am buying one tomorrow!

brucku

Jun 4, 2007, 06:32 PM

Let's wait and see what tomorrow has in store ("in store", gettit?) for us.. :)

Those who prefer a retail buying experience for their MBP probably won't be dissapointed tomorrow.

toxic-waste

Jun 4, 2007, 06:33 PM

"Prices range from $2000 for the 15" low end up to $3050 for the "ultimate" 17" model, which may be a retail store specific configuration."

whats that mean?

Probably, so they can feel like its 1984 again... When the internet was a series of pipes :D "Why would anyone want a "personal computer""
:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R706isyDrqI

brucku

Jun 4, 2007, 06:33 PM

"Prices range from $2000 for the 15" low end up to $3050 for the "ultimate" 17" model, which may be a retail store specific configuration."

whats that mean?

It means that only 2 prices are known, the cheapest 15, and most expensive 17. (not including BTO)

iBunny

Jun 4, 2007, 06:37 PM

The CPU clock speeds are insignificantly different.

The Fastest Chips out right now are the 2.4Ghz Meroms w/ 800MHz FSB.

The Santa Rosa Platform uses a 800MHz FSB however still utilizes 667MHz DDR-2 Ram in Dual Channel Mode, vice Interleaving on the Napa Platform. Also 4GB is the Maximum Ram on this chipset.

The Santa Rosa Chipset Intel 965GM has a significantly faster and lower latency memory controller, more flexible PCI-Express, and newer Intel Controller Hub for Storage.

I feel that if these specs as originally posted are true, this will be a significant upgrade.

Willis

Jun 4, 2007, 06:38 PM

modest speed upgrades... hey, at least we can still feel all warm and fuzzy remembering the days of PPC speed boosts :o

flopticalcube

Jun 4, 2007, 06:39 PM

The nvidia chips are significantly faster.

Should be close to double the performance of the x1600.

I was under the impression that the two cards where essentially similar in performance. Also that while power consumption was down significantly from previous generations, performance gains where minimal. Is there some site which compares the two or is it still too early to judge?

kingofkolt

Jun 4, 2007, 06:42 PM

I was under the impression that the two cards where essentially similar in performance. Also that while power consumption was down significantly from previous generations, performance gains where minimal. Is there some site which compares the two or is it still too early to judge?

I was wondering this myself... I don't know much about which GPU's are what. How good are these GPU's, anyone know?

matthewHUB

Jun 4, 2007, 06:45 PM

hmm...

<rant> to me it seems like they're skimping. they could have gone with an 800Mhz FSB no sweat. Also, i expect to see LED backlit displays otherwise they are really not living up to the competition as seen on Page 1 with the Dell machine.

Maybe they're saving their sparkles and surprises for an ultraportable at WWDC? or something like it? would make sense to keep some base hardware the same to shift a few in the back to school season.

</rant>

prostuff1

Jun 4, 2007, 06:45 PM

GroundLoop

Jun 4, 2007, 06:48 PM

hmm...

<rant> to me it seems like they're skimping. they could have gone with an 800Mhz FSB no sweat.

...

</rant>

How many times do we have to say it....if this information is true...then we will have SR and it WILL have an 800MHz FSB! The memory is clocked at 667MHz. Feel free to upgrade the RAM to 800MHz.

Hickman

eenu

Jun 4, 2007, 06:49 PM

I just want there to be a 13.3 in MBP to come out with the next round of updates.

I think the delivery of a shed load of 13.3" LED backlit screens to apple in May means you might see it tomorrow.

kingofkolt

Jun 4, 2007, 06:53 PM

I was just looking at the Nvidia.com 8600M page (http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_8600M.html), and I noticed it says the maximum memory is 512MB. Think we'll see that in one of the new MBP's? (Preferably a 15"...)

Willis

Jun 4, 2007, 06:57 PM

I just want there to be a 13.3 in MBP to come out with the next round of updates.

I have a 12in iBook that i carry around right now and it is great for portability. I think the 15.4 inch is a little to big to carry around all the time.

I cant see why Apple would need to offer a 13.3 MBP as the only spec they could include is a dedicated graphics card. Maybe a Matte screen?

BlackBook £949

13" MBP £1139

15" MBP £1349

The only way I see this truely happening is if they drop the Blackbook's higher spec.

so

Macbook £829

13" MBP £1139

15" MBP £1349

EDIT: just to make it clear, the 13" MBP would follow the design of the other MBP's (keyboard etc), LED displays and other tidbits rumored.

66217

Jun 4, 2007, 07:03 PM

120 GB Hard drive for a $2000 Mac? Definitely not happening.

As for the GPU (video card), how good is it for games?

Macula

Jun 4, 2007, 07:06 PM

What I don't get though, is why they don't use 800Mhz RAM? Is it just too expensive? (Apple never seemed to have a problem with that in the past ;) )

They never had a problem with outrageous profit margins. With costs, however,...

headfuzz

Jun 4, 2007, 07:07 PM

13" MBP £1139

I could be very tempted by that, especially with an LED screen :)

SeanMcg

Jun 4, 2007, 07:07 PM

120 GB Hard drive for a $2000 Mac? Definitely not happening.

As for the GPU (video card), how good is it for games?

If not offered as an option, I'd buy the smaller HD, get one of the new WD 250GB PMR drives and swap it out myself.

007bond4321

Jun 4, 2007, 07:08 PM

120 GB Hard drive for a $2000 Mac? Definitely not happening.

As for the GPU (video card), how good is it for games?

If it is indeed an Nvidia 8 series, should be no less than twice anything the x1600 is capable of.

I agree on the HD front. 160gb standard. BTO: up to 250gb 5400rpm.

If not offered as an option, I'd buy the smaller HD, get one of the new WD 250GB PMR drives and swap it out myself.

Exactly - me too. 250gb goodness:)

Butthead

Jun 4, 2007, 07:12 PM

Who cares about MBPs? We need more iPhone rumors. :rolleyes:

I predict that no matter what Apple releases, multiple threads complaining about the specs will appear.

Agreed!..unless of course there is that MBP 12 or 13.3 in that has the same spec's as the rumored Dell ultra thin

However, let me be the 1st to start the complaint thread about the iGasm tar, bring back the damn drooling sexy panties tar!

Exactly - me too. 250gb goodness:)

Hitachi's 200GB 7.2k rpm drive is faster goodness.

Sandisk or Samsung's 64GB (in particular the Samsung is a 1.8in so 2 of them could be run RAID0, for some wicked, wicked fast 'goodness' in a MBP 17in.

expatinasia

Jun 4, 2007, 07:16 PM

The MacBook Pro will also have a new power adapter.

kingofkolt

Jun 4, 2007, 07:19 PM

The MacBook Pro will also have a new power adapter.

Oh, will it now?

Wild-Bill

Jun 4, 2007, 07:21 PM

Sigh......... no Mac Pro update rumors. I really hope they announce updates to the Mac Pro at WWDC. :mad:

Loungepop

Jun 4, 2007, 07:27 PM

The MacBook Pro will also have a new power adapter.

What the hell? Where did that come from? .

mashinhead

Jun 4, 2007, 07:27 PM

Damn I just bought a macbook pro about a month ago....whatever, it's fast enough :P

yea these don't seem like that much of a leap, unless your talking about the price of the 17"

whateverandever

Jun 4, 2007, 07:28 PM

120 GB Hard drive for a $2000 Mac? Definitely not happening.

It's already happening. 120GB is standard on the current MBP low-end model.

Metalheart

Jun 4, 2007, 07:29 PM

Mac's are usually pricey, are we getting a good deal here? I would expect a price drop. I was expecting Leopard to come out with it too?

snugja

Jun 4, 2007, 07:29 PM

Someone was talking to one of the employees about buying a macbook pro at a store in Detroit on Saturday, and I heard him say they were out of them but would be getting some soon. I know employees don't usually know if it'll be an upgrade by any means, but it's a shipment of some sort and he knew it was coming.

iW00t

Jun 4, 2007, 07:33 PM

I double-checked the specs of the current models and this is not really an update.

The CPU clock speeds are insignificantly different. The included RAM is doubled to 2GB at about the same price as the old model so that's nice.

The only real different, based on this article is the GPU. Is that really worth the trouble?

If the CPU is the only metric for you (possible upgrade to LED screens notwithstanding) then it is just too bad... for you.

At this time there aren't any better chips that Apple (or anyone else for that matter) can use, so it is not like they are holding out on us like they did with the Macbooks.

Aniej

Jun 4, 2007, 07:34 PM

if they do an update tomorrow, when does it tend to be around? For some reason I remember 9AM, but not sure why.

eenu

Jun 4, 2007, 07:35 PM

if they do an update tomorrow, when does it tend to be around? For some reason I remember 9AM, but not sure why.

8:30 AM EST

RoDe

Jun 4, 2007, 07:38 PM

kajitox

Jun 4, 2007, 07:40 PM

What are you guys' thoughts on the units being in stock in store tomorrow?

Aniej

Jun 4, 2007, 07:40 PM

well prepare to be let down because it absolutely will have a C2D. 2008 you will see the change.

Peace

Jun 4, 2007, 07:40 PM

The GeForce 8600M GT support PureVideo HD. Could this mean Bluray or HD DVD on the Horizon.

If the new MBP still offers C2D it will be a major let down. I'm goint to sell my iBook to my dad but I'm not going to buy anything new until they get Santa Rosa and LED screens.

The Santa Rosa platform still uses the C2D..

Unless you're looking for quad-puting..

Willis

Jun 4, 2007, 07:41 PM

GroundLoop

Jun 4, 2007, 07:41 PM

The GeForce 8600M GT support PureVideo HD. Could this mean Bluray or HD DVD on the Horizon.

If the new MBP still offers C2D it will be a major let down. I'm goint to sell my iBook to my dad but I'm not going to buy anything new until they get Santa Rosa and LED screens.

The new MBP can (and will) have Core 2 Duo processors. They will also have the Santa Rosa chipset (if this rumor is true).

C2D and SR are two different widgets.

Hickman

WildCowboy

Jun 4, 2007, 07:42 PM

It's already happening. 120GB is standard on the current MBP low-end model.

That's the point. You'd think it would be higher than that...160 GB on the entry-level model shouldn't be unreasonable.

mrkramer

Jun 4, 2007, 07:42 PM

If the new MBP still offers C2D it will be a major let down. I'm goint to sell my iBook to my dad but I'm not going to buy anything new until they get Santa Rosa and LED screens.

Santa Rosa uses C2D, and if these specs are right then it has to have Santa Rosa.

appleii2mac

Jun 4, 2007, 07:43 PM

How many times do we have to say it....if this information is true...then we will have SR and it WILL have an 800MHz FSB! The memory is clocked at 667MHz. Feel free to upgrade the RAM to 800MHz.

Hickman

What kind of extra performance could one expect (in real world applications) from an upgrade from the 667Mhz to the 800Mhz RAM?

scrambledwonder

Jun 4, 2007, 07:47 PM

I don't see this happening.

120 GB HDD when the BlackBook has 160? Rrrrrrright.

Only a .04 GHz upgrade? No Santa Rosa on the base?

I guess LED screens could make up for a new, non-Santa Rosa low-end MBP. But the hard drive can't be below the BlackBook.

Hold your horses Hoss, it's my understanding that you can't put a faster merom chip in the current motherboard. For 2.4 and 2.6 you'll need Santa Rosa. That, plus (hopefully) LED screens = good upgrade.

What, did you expect the cyberdyne chip or something? MBP and PB upgrades have been incremental for a while. Like when they went from 1 GHz to a 1.33 GHz in the 12-inch PBG4. That was a seven month upgrade.

Willis

Jun 4, 2007, 07:47 PM

What kind of extra performance could one expect (in real world applications) from an upgrade from the 667Mhz to the 800Mhz RAM?

Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrino#Santa_Rosa_platform_.282007.29) is some interesting info..

I think people are getting a bit confused... the FSB is 800mhz... not the Ram

GroundLoop

Jun 4, 2007, 07:48 PM

What kind of extra performance could one expect (in real world applications) from an upgrade from the 667Mhz to the 800Mhz RAM?

probably none.

Hickman

SWC

Jun 4, 2007, 07:49 PM

What kind of extra performance could one expect (in real world applications) from an upgrade from the 667Mhz to the 800Mhz RAM?

very minute unless youre doing video and heavy photo editing.

Dicx

Jun 4, 2007, 07:50 PM

Back to School is right on and add these 2 things....

Mac mini does not count and the deal ends around Sept. 16th.

iW00t

Jun 4, 2007, 07:50 PM

Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrino#Santa_Rosa_platform_.282007.29) is some interesting info..

I think people are getting a bit confused... the FSB is 800mhz... not the Ram

SR still uses 667mhz memory modules IIRC.

Willis

Jun 4, 2007, 07:52 PM

SR still uses 667mhz memory modules IIRC.

yup, it does. I think it supports 800mhz Ram though, but as people had said earlier, it isnt in mass production to the public.

appleii2mac

Jun 4, 2007, 07:53 PM

I thought this was interesting from the Wikipedia link:

Intel will also implement Dynamic Acceleration Technology with the Santa Rosa platform. This technology allows single threaded applications to execute faster. When a single threaded application is running the CPU can turn off one of the CPU cores and overclock the active core. In this way the CPU maintains the same Thermal Profile as it would when both cores are active. Many expect Santa Rosa to perform well as a mobile gaming platform due to its ability to switch between single threaded and multithreaded tasks.

Aniej

Jun 4, 2007, 07:53 PM

GroundLoop

Jun 4, 2007, 07:53 PM

SR still uses 667mhz memory modules IIRC.

SR is compatible with 667MHz modules as well as 800MHz modules. Most manufacturers are shipping SR laptops with 667mhz modules.

Hickman

scrambledwonder

Jun 4, 2007, 07:55 PM

eenu

Jun 4, 2007, 07:56 PM

SR uses 667MHz modules as well as 800MHz modules. Most manufacturers are shipping SR laptops with 667mhz modules (except in high performance lines)

Hickman

if SR MBP with 667 ram ship tomorrow can we say 100% that i could but 800FSB ram in it?

oldwatery

Jun 4, 2007, 07:57 PM

Hold your horses Hoss, it's my understanding that you can't put a faster merom chip in the current motherboard. For 2.4 and 2.6 you'll need Santa Rosa. That, plus (hopefully) LED screens = good upgrade.

Thats fine but haven't all the rumors suggested that the new LED displays will only be 13" or 15" maximum?
If that's the case then this is another minor upgrade at best.
Any thoughts on a new form factor?
I have the latest 17"C2D and I would only upgrade if there was a new LED display.....I think ;)

GroundLoop

Jun 4, 2007, 07:57 PM

if SR MBP with 667 ram ship tomorrow can we say 100% that i could but 800FSB ram in it?

Yes

eenu

Jun 4, 2007, 07:59 PM

Thats fine but haven't all the rumors suggested that the new LED displays will only be 13" or 15" maximum?

Then the 17" MBP doesnt get the screen simple. The 13 or 15" MBP will have the screen as an option

iBunny

Jun 4, 2007, 08:01 PM

I really dont know whats so hard to understand about this.

Just because the FSB is 800MHz, dosent meant the Ram has to be the same speed.

DDR2 667MHz SO-DIMM Modules are in mass production, and are very cheap to produce compared to DDR2 800MHz SO-DIMM modules which are scarce, produce more heat, and are more expensive.

DDR2 667 is the standard for laptops, its not a big deal. The Cooler running modules, and less $ will bennifit you more.

SWC

Jun 4, 2007, 08:04 PM

if SR MBP with 667 ram ship tomorrow can we say 100% that i could but 800FSB ram in it?

It will work but more than likely the ram will underclock to 667 since santa rosa only supports 667.

http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/gm965/index.htm

eenu

Jun 4, 2007, 08:05 PM

I really dont know whats so hard to understand about this.

Just because the FSB is 800MHz, dosent meant the Ram has to be the same speed.

Firstly i never said the ram does have to be at the same speed and secondly......

DDR2 667 is the standard for laptops, its not a big deal. The Cooler running modules, and less $ will bennifit you more.

Who are you to tell me what my needs or wallet limit is? Wind your neck in!

SWC

Jun 4, 2007, 08:14 PM

Who are you to tell me what my needs or wallet limit is? Wind your neck in!

I don't think he was implying that you couldn't afford buyt that the speed difference except in very specific circumstances doesn't come close to justifying the extra cash you would spend.

eenu

Jun 4, 2007, 08:15 PM

I don't think he was implying that you couldn't afford buyt that the speed difference except in very specific circumstances doesn't come close to justifying the extra cash you would spend.

Yes but who was to say i wasn't thinking of the upgrade a yr down the line when its cheap as chips?

flopticalcube

Jun 4, 2007, 08:16 PM

Won't work anyways as the Intel spec sheet only claims to support 667 and 533.

scrambledwonder

Jun 4, 2007, 08:16 PM

Thats fine but haven't all the rumors suggested that the new LED displays will only be 13" or 15" maximum?
If that's the case then this is another minor upgrade at best.
Any thoughts on a new form factor?
I have the latest 17"C2D and I would only upgrade if there was a new LED display.....I think ;)

Yeah, if you're looking at the 17. . . then this rumored upgrade might not be that big of a deal. Then again, you never know. We'll just have to wait a few hours and find out!!!

scrambledwonder

Jun 4, 2007, 08:20 PM

Firstly i never said the ram does have to be at the same speed and secondly......

Who are you to tell me what my needs or wallet limit is? Wind your neck in!

Wind your neck in? I'm not trying to start anything, seriously, but can you explain that colloquialism? It just sounds kinda strange to my silly American ears. ;)

jellz

Jun 4, 2007, 08:22 PM

People's Republic of Berkeley EEK

eenu

Jun 4, 2007, 08:23 PM

Wind your neck in? I'm not trying to start anything, seriously, but can you explain that colloquialism? It just sounds kinda strange to my silly American ears. ;)

** WARNING LINK CONTAINS SOME BAD LANGUAGE :) **

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wind+your+neck+in

When i use this term i use it in the sense of 1 and 2, part 1 (especially 2 part 1)

samh004

Jun 4, 2007, 08:24 PM

I can't really see them releasing some MBP's with SR and some without. I think they'll all be SR, and the 15's will get LED.

Well the 15" MBP was released first was it not (when transitioning to Intel), so maybe it'll be the guinea pig again.

But it HAS to differ a lot more from the Macbook then it currently does:P

Not necessarily, remember the Santa Rosa chipset will be re-used with the next shrink of processors, and they should bring much bigger improvements, so perhaps this upgrade will suck a bit, but the one after will be really good.

(Referring to the 45nm shrink)

Also 4GB is the Maximum Ram on this chipset.

Thank you, was wondering what the maximum was... not that 2x 2GB chips is affordable in any case.

The MacBook Pro will also have a new power adapter.
What the hell? Where did that come from? .

He came back from the future to tell us about the MBP, but got to the wrong point in time, he should of gone back another year and a few months...

I was expecting Leopard to come out with it too?

It was delayed until October... you can have it though, it'll just be buggy and you might lose all your data, is that alright with you ?

uNext

Jun 4, 2007, 08:25 PM

I am so patiently waiting to see how the new mcbook pro's turn out.
But I have a feeling apple will not look the other way and just release
something very un-spectacular. But their marketing team and the hype behind apple products will intially make it out to be this awesome upgrade
thus blinding us into a pathetic overall upgrade.
By the way the new dell tops any current apple offering in the notebook genre.
Hopefully apple takes note of it and do something amazing with their so desperetaly needed upgraded mobile stations.

Willis

Jun 4, 2007, 08:29 PM

It was delayed until October... you can have it though, it'll just be buggy and you might lose all your data, is that alright with you ?

ahh, so that explains why Steve has delayed a few things... all the stuff he comes up with... poof! gone! starts again... and so the cycle continues

iBunny

Jun 4, 2007, 08:31 PM

Thank you, was wondering what the maximum was... not that 2x 2GB chips is affordable in any case.

Yeah, I hear ya, however I will be getting 4GB, So I can max it out and be done with it... this way, when leopard comes out, I know already have the fastest Mac I can have to run it on, and hopefully it will prolong the useability of the computer.

twoodcc

Jun 4, 2007, 08:32 PM

well now, tomorrow should be interesting, interesting indeed. :p

i hope the back-to-school promotion does come, and that the new specs are good

eenu

Jun 4, 2007, 08:32 PM

i hope the back-to-school promotion does come, and that the new specs are good

I dont cos then i would have to have ANOTHER free nano!

samh004

Jun 4, 2007, 08:36 PM

ahh, so that explains why Steve has delayed a few things... all the stuff he comes up with... poof! gone! starts again... and so the cycle continues

You got it in one ;)

Yeah, I hear ya, however I will be getting 4GB, So I can max it out and be done with it... this way, when leopard comes out, I know already have the fastest Mac I can have to run it on, and hopefully it will prolong the useability of the computer.

And increase the resale value of the computer when the time comes... 6 months down the road to upgrade again :p

Mgkwho

Jun 4, 2007, 08:37 PM

I dont cos then i would have to have ANOTHER free nano!

so send it to me!

-=|Mgkwho

eenu

Jun 4, 2007, 08:38 PM

so send it to me!

-=|Mgkwho

If my gf doesn't wanted i am tempted. I wouldn't give the new one but the one they gave me last Sept.

Willis

Jun 4, 2007, 08:41 PM

If my gf doesn't wanted i am tempted. I wouldn't give the new one but the one they gave me last Sept.

tsk.. screw that... ebay is your friend... as am I :D

HFU

Jun 4, 2007, 08:42 PM

DDR2 667MHz SO-DIMM Modules are in mass production, and are very cheap to produce compared to DDR2 800MHz SO-DIMM modules which are scarce, produce more heat, and are more expensive.

DDR2 667 is the standard for laptops, its not a big deal. The Cooler running modules, and less $ will bennifit you more.

The 965 chipset used in SR platform also produce more heat, use more power. Intel could have released 667FSB Merom at 2.5GHz (166.66 x 15) and 2.66GHz (166.66 x 16) to keep memory at preferred ratio with DDR2-667 (1:2) rather than (3:5) 800FSB:667MHz combo on SR. Intel will shift to 45nm 800FSB/1066FSB Penryn with DDR3-800/DDR3-1066 (1.5v) in Q1 2008. It really makes SR upgrade less appealing other than the rumored LED screen or 13.3" MBP.

samh004

Jun 4, 2007, 08:47 PM

Intel will shift to 45nm 800FSB/1066FSB Penryn with DDR3-800/DDR3-1066 (1.5v) in Q1 2008.

I have to wait till when :eek: :(

ThunderLounge

Jun 4, 2007, 08:49 PM

Thank you for shopping at
the Apple Online Store

Apple's Online and phone Order Status services are temporarily
unavailable due to a scheduled upgrade to our systems.

We apologize for any inconvenience.

I ordered a new keyboard Saturday as a spacebar, command, option, control, and shift keys are kinda important when coding. So I go into check my order status, it's a friggin keyboard and you would think it would ship today, and I get the above notice.

I'm not saying that it means anything whatsoever. Just saying it's a "little odd" under the circumstances.

Hmmm....

Eidorian

Jun 4, 2007, 08:52 PM

128 MB video RAM on the low end for the MacBook Pro? Ouch, might just get a refurbished model then.

Apple is really cutting corners when the stock is 512 MB.

Willis

Jun 4, 2007, 08:53 PM

could be a simple upgrade to their own order service servers?

SWC

Jun 4, 2007, 08:55 PM

I ordered a new keyboard Saturday as a spacebar, command, option, control, and shift keys are kinda important when coding. So I go into check my order status, it's a friggin keyboard and you would think it would ship today, and I get the above notice.

I'm not saying that it means anything whatsoever. Just saying it's a "little odd" under the circumstances.

Hmmm....

yeah its been this way for well over an hour. I am trying to check the status of my RMA and can't get anywhere because I don't have the RMA # in my email and web is down.

Tadow

Jun 4, 2007, 09:01 PM

If this is true then it will almost certainly be the same same form factor. There would be no way that they do a silent upgrade with a black MBP or something different, right?

Sbrocket

Jun 4, 2007, 09:03 PM

could be a simple upgrade to their own order service servers?

What does your gut feeling tell you?

Dun dun dun....

:apple:

ThunderLounge

Jun 4, 2007, 09:04 PM

yeah its been this way for well over an hour. I am trying to check the status of my RMA and can't get anywhere because I don't have the RMA # in my email and web is down.

I find it annoying. Crap like that can be done in the middle of the night.

Maybe I'm just tweaked because of having to type everything in text, since I remapped my tab key to produce a space and Safari (and FF, and Camino) don't recognize it's remapped. :(

It's a keyboard. C'mon. They can't be "low" on those. lol

But, considering the possible impending update, they would have to update accounting sometime, right?

Willis

Jun 4, 2007, 09:09 PM

It's a keyboard. C'mon. They can't be "low" on those.

I just remembered... it might be the keyboard with the iPod dock built into it!

brucku

Jun 4, 2007, 09:14 PM

What are you guys' thoughts on the units being in stock in store tomorrow?

They will be there. You can count on it ;-)

ThunderLounge

Jun 4, 2007, 09:17 PM

I just remembered... it might be the keyboard with the iPod dock built into it!

And still be $29 bucks?

I'm not sure about that one. lol

If my keyboard "was delayed" a few days for that, to be honest I'd be pretty pissed off.

$19 for overnight shipping was worth it vice driving an hour and forty minutes to the closest Apple store from the gas savings alone. I could handle a day or two of decreased production, but a big delay would be tough.

sikkinixx

Jun 4, 2007, 09:19 PM

Those specs don't sound too bad. A new case would be kinda groovy (please don't yell at me powerbook/mbp case fanatics :D ) but with those something like the rumors suggest would get me to buy one this summer.

Anything less then maybe I just buy a refurb Macbook and be done with it :p

Daiden

Jun 4, 2007, 09:20 PM

The Geforce 8600M is a big leap over the ATi X1600. The other stuff is just so-so.

I'd have loved to get the new graphics card, but hey -- can't complain. :)

twoodcc

Jun 4, 2007, 09:33 PM

I dont cos then i would have to have ANOTHER free nano!

hey, don't complain, nothing in this life is free

scrambledwonder

Jun 4, 2007, 09:40 PM

** WARNING LINK CONTAINS SOME BAD LANGUAGE :) **

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wind+your+neck+in

When i use this term i use it in the sense of 1 and 2, part 1 (especially 2 part 1)

Awesome! I'll definitely bring that one into my group of friends!

scrambledwonder

Jun 4, 2007, 09:49 PM

The Geforce 8600M is a big leap over the ATi X1600. The other stuff is just so-so.

I'd have loved to get the new graphics card, but hey -- can't complain. :)

Got a comparison site to link to? Just curious

heatasmallhouse

Jun 4, 2007, 09:57 PM

Aw crap, now I'm all amped up again. I was definately thinking WWDC. But instead I will be sleeping next to my ill-fated PB waiting for it to show me the new trick on the block, like a girlfriend that introduces you to your next girlfriend.

c'mooooon decent color reproduction!

Eidorian

Jun 4, 2007, 09:59 PM

Got a comparison site to link to? Just curiousSome synthetics here (http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html?&or=&search=&sort=3dmark06).

ASUS G1S-A1 Review (http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3728&review=Asus+G1S)

diehldun

Jun 4, 2007, 10:07 PM

If this is true then it will almost certainly be the same same form factor. There would be no way that they do a silent upgrade with a black MBP or something different, right?

I am DESPERATELY praying for a change in form factor. Don't get me wrong, I've loved the aluminum design of my 4 year old PB, but an aesthetic change would be very nice.

Honestly, this time it's the looks, not the specs, that's keeping me from buying a MBP right now. Sad, I know.

kingofkolt

Jun 4, 2007, 10:09 PM

It's too quiet in here.. Aren't there gonna be people posting in here throughout the entire night like during the MacBook update, saying "US STORE IS DOWN" then 20 mins later "UK STORE IS DOWN" and so on, and then "OH GOD WILL THEY HAVE A TOUCH SCREEN? SANTA ROSA?". And then a few hours later, "Oh my God... This is the best they come up with?! THAT'S IT, I'm waiting for Penryn."

Don't let me down, guys.

travistaylor

Jun 4, 2007, 10:12 PM

Some synthetics here (http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html?&or=&search=&sort=3dmark06).

ASUS G1S-A1 Review (http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3728&review=Asus+G1S)

Thanks for that link...that really put in perspective.

I am going to order one of these laptops first thing tomorrow morning when the store goes back online.

Does anyone know if it will ship tomorrow if I order right as the store goes back online (early in the morning)? I am going to get the one day shipping option...I am also going to get a 4gb Nano (considering that's the one I can get for free after a mail-in-rebate) and a .mac membership. I hope to have it here by Thursday...does that sound reasonable?

flopticalcube

Jun 4, 2007, 10:12 PM

Jahadeem

Jun 4, 2007, 10:18 PM

The New MacBook Pro will feature a Power6 dual-core processor running at 4.7GHz.

This will annoy anyone using Windows on their Mac, but the new MacBook Pro will guarantee to overheat and burn a hole not only in your bank account but also your lap :p.

On a more serious note...
Since so many resources were poured into the iPhone we won't get Santa Rosa or Robson. Hell we'll be lucky to get a higher capicity 7200 RPM Hard Drive as an option on the 17" at this point.
The real update on the MacBook Pros: Slightly faster CPUs, ability to add more than 3 gigs of memory, slightly bigger hard drives, and a wait time of another 6+ months for Santa Rosa, Robson, OLEDs and HD.

SWC

Jun 4, 2007, 10:21 PM

Eidorian

Jun 4, 2007, 10:21 PM

From those scores, it looks like the HD2600 is faster than the 8600M, no?That is correct.

flopticalcube

Jun 4, 2007, 10:21 PM

zioxide

Jun 4, 2007, 10:27 PM

justflie

Jun 4, 2007, 10:35 PM

I, for one, am hoping that Apple doesn't change the form factor. I made the brilliant move (or was it a mistake) of already purchasing a tight-fitting sleeve for the MBP I'm waiting to buy. So I'd rather not have to return/sell that one and buy a new one. But all the features you can cram in are fine by me! :)

ortuno2k

Jun 4, 2007, 11:03 PM

If this is true, i definitely wont feel my C2D is missing out.

Yeah, same.
I plan to keep my new C2D for some time, maybe one more year or two until something really good makes it worth the expense of a new MBP (or w/e it's called then):D

Tech607

Jun 4, 2007, 11:04 PM

kajitox

Jun 4, 2007, 11:06 PM

No store in Detroit sells Macs!

Busted.

Willis

Jun 4, 2007, 11:10 PM

No store in Detroit sells Macs!

best buy... target?

i dont know, im just throwing out guesses

Sbrocket

Jun 4, 2007, 11:11 PM

No store in Detroit sells Macs!

You're seriously trying to tell me there's no store like a Worst Buy in Detroit?

Tech607

Jun 4, 2007, 11:15 PM

You're seriously trying to tell me there's no store like a Worst Buy in Detroit?

I live outside of Detroit and used to live in Detroit and it barely has grocery stores in it. There are no upscale stores in the city, well maybe for clothes.

Tech607

Jun 4, 2007, 11:17 PM

You're seriously trying to tell me there's no store like a Worst Buy in Detroit?

No Best Buys, no Circuit City, no Apple Store, no Compusa, no Office Max, No Office Depot............ I know it is sad but it is the truth. Out here everything that is good is in the Suburbs!

AceOfBass

Jun 4, 2007, 11:21 PM

Man I really hope for the back to school promotion to kick off tomorrow if nothing else... I'm waiting so I can get some cash off a video iPod and be able to ditch my Creative Zen player, which doesn't speak apple.. But i have to say, I'm digging the specs I'm seeing and depending on price/if they introduce a new form factor, I might be swayed from buying a blackbook :rolleyes: I don't have any real finals tomorrow so I think I'll stay up and see what happens:D

Ace

HFU

Jun 4, 2007, 11:21 PM

Some people here need to do their research before going out and posting their predictions.

They can't bump the processor speeds without switching to the Crestline chipset (Santa Rosa).

There is no 2.6GHz Merom yet.

This IS a significant update, it's not just going to be a "cpu speed bump".

This update is going to bring a full 64-bit chipset and processor, 4GB of RAM, and a faster FSB.

One of the biggest features of Santa Rosa that is overlooked is the fact that if you're running a single cpu-intensive singlethreaded app, the new Crestline (965) chipset can shut down the second core and clock up the first one (for example, the 2.4GHz can clock the single core up to 3.4GHz).

It seems like some people just don't know what they're talking about.

Yes, there is 2.6GHz/800FSB Merom: (Page 11)
http://download.intel.com/design/mobile/SPECUPDT/31407911.pdf

Other OEM manufactures are not releasing it probably due to heat on existing thin laptop enclosure. We'll see if Apple will break the norm tomorrow!

The current OSX doesn't support switching off one core automatically until either 10.4.10 or 10.5. People have not realized Apple is trying to hold off for better upgrade upon Leopard release. It's not necessary the best interest on Apple's part to follow everything that Intel releases (e.g. turbo memory). From historic record, Intel has released a lot of insignificant incremental updates that sometime turn out to be worse than the previous generation. Consider the TDP!!!

The only significant upgrade on the new MBP is if Apple includes the new LED screen standard on SR, a 13.3" SR MBP, or higher end GPU (65nm), anything else is insignificant just as CD to C2D. Intel can say what ever about 965 chipset, it's just less appealing than Intel P35 mobile chipset (Montevina Platform) that is due around Q1 2008.

angelych

Jun 4, 2007, 11:22 PM

I live outside of Detroit and used to live in Detroit and it barely has grocery stores in it. There are no upscale stores in the city, well maybe for clothes.

even in malaysia here, which the time zone lots faster than US, is 12.30pm overhere, nothings shows up, really disappointed me again and again after so many weeks of rumors...

maybe i shall just go for the Macbook, since they had the almost the same specs as mbp had now...
i been holding my order to the local retailer since months ago and yet when the proposed time for a mbp to upgrade replaced by a pre-early upgrade on macbook...

when we have to wait till the new mbp will come out ??

kingofkolt

Jun 4, 2007, 11:26 PM

even in malaysia here, which the time zone lots faster than US, is 12.30pm overhere, nothings shows up, really disappointed me again and again after so many weeks of rumors...

maybe i shall just go for the Macbook, since they had the almost the same specs as mbp had now...
i been holding my order to the local retailer since months ago and yet when the proposed time for a mbp to upgrade replaced by a pre-early upgrade on macbook...

when we have to wait till the new mbp will come out ??

Umm... If it does come out tomorrow, it won't be for another 8-9 hours or so...

Sbrocket

Jun 4, 2007, 11:27 PM

Yes, there is 2.6GHz/800FSB Merom: (Page 11)
http://download.intel.com/design/mobile/SPECUPDT/31407911.pdf

I believe you're looking at the wrong number. 2.4GHz looks like the Merom max to me.

InfraredAD

Jun 4, 2007, 11:30 PM

I'm not complaining about the price, but I guess I am..

Since Apple's been equipping their Macs with Intel chips since Jan. '06, where are the lower prices that were oh-so-mentioned? I love my PowerBook but man, I want an Intel so bad. That possible $3k price tag is horrific. It'd better have something completely over the top for that kind of money.

Eidorian

Jun 4, 2007, 11:33 PM

http://guides.macrumors.com/Merom

zioxide

Jun 4, 2007, 11:35 PM

Yes, there is 2.6GHz/800FSB Merom: (Page 11)
http://download.intel.com/design/mobile/SPECUPDT/31407911.pdf

The current OSX doesn't support switching off one core automatically until either 10.4.10 or 10.5. People have not realized Apple is trying to hold off for better upgrade upon Leopard release. It's not necessary the best interest on Apple's part to follow everything that Intel releases (e.g. turbo memory). From historic record, Intel has released a lot of insignificant incremental updates that sometime turn out to be worse than the previous generation. Consider the TDP!!!

You're reading it wrong. The T7700 is 2.4GHz clockspeed, and with IDA it can go up to 2.6 (I said 3.4 which I was wrong about).

Additionally, I believe that the IDA is mostly hardware based, so it doesn't need os x drivers to work. I could be wrong though.

greenbreadmmm

Jun 4, 2007, 11:38 PM

had to register just for this hype, im getting really excited. If this is true does that mean were going to have 512 mb video cards in the mbp? If so this is a huge update with or without santa rosa, which is in the upgrade it seems.

HFU

Jun 4, 2007, 11:39 PM

I believe you're looking at the wrong number. 2.4GHz looks like the Merom max to me.Yes, 2.6GHz is the IDA (Intel Dynamic Acceleration) frequency, but not guaranteed at that speed. 2.4GHz will be what's marketed from manufactures.

You're reading it wrong. The T7700 is 2.4GHz clockspeed, and with IDA it can go up to 2.6 (I said 3.4 which I was wrong about).

Additionally, I believe that the IDA is mostly hardware based, so it doesn't need os x drivers to work. I could be wrong though.
Yes, IDA is hardware based, but the core idling must also be handled by OS.

Tech607

Jun 4, 2007, 11:43 PM

More Rumors, but a little bit of a let down if its true.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/06/04/apple_set_to_unveil_macbook_pro_overhaul_back_to_school_promo.html

travistaylor

Jun 4, 2007, 11:46 PM

It looks like the specs will be true...I will still order one tomorrow, though...

SWC

Jun 4, 2007, 11:48 PM

If the AppleInsider specs are true...I will be extremely let down. bumping the processor speeds barely by 100mhz? C'mon...

There is no faster option.............ugh

Eidorian

Jun 4, 2007, 11:48 PM

If the AppleInsider specs are true...I will be extremely let down. bumping the processor speeds barely by 100mhz? C'mon...Did you expect more speed from just a slight bump in the FSB?

Sure just ignore the entirely new platform.

kingofkolt

Jun 4, 2007, 11:50 PM

There is no faster option.............ugh

It's just exasperating. They just won't listen... lol

AceOfBass

Jun 4, 2007, 11:51 PM

More Rumors, but a little bit of a let down if its true.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/06/04/apple_set_to_unveil_macbook_pro_overhaul_back_to_school_promo.html

uh oh, smells like another macbook-esque update on the wind. That would be pretty disappointing. They almost have to do more than that to keep up the gap between the pro and consumer models don't you think? It seems to me that the macbook would really cannibalize the MBP sales if they don't...

7 minutes till we find out!

kingofkolt

Jun 4, 2007, 11:52 PM

uh oh, smells like another macbook-esque update on the wind. That would be pretty disappointing. They almost have to do more than that to keep up the gap between the pro and consumer models don't you think? It seems to me that the macbook would really cannibalize the MBP sales if they don't...

How is that disappointing?! Although I would've liked to see LED screens.

Again though, this is just a rumor. We don't know until we see it tomorrow.

Tech607

Jun 4, 2007, 11:53 PM

Did you expect more speed from just a slight bump in the FSB?

Sure just ignore the entirely new platform.

I tell you i expect more that this. Apple seems to be getting behind the times and doing it at a higher cost. For the money we spend our specs should trump anyone else, but when a $1500 dell comes close to the $2700 Mac in specs, I see something wrong with that.

SWC

Jun 4, 2007, 11:55 PM

I tell you i expect more that this. Apple seems to be getting behind the times and doing it at a higher cost. For the money we spend our specs should trump anyone else, but when a $1500 dell comes close to the $2700 Mac in specs, I see something wrong with that.

with the exception of the video card there isn't really anything apple can do to speed this up. they are using the fastest memory the chipset supports, including 2 GB of ram, fastest processor intel makes etc.

kingofkolt

Jun 4, 2007, 11:55 PM

I tell you i expect more that this. Apple seems to be getting behind the times and doing it at a higher cost. For the money we spend our specs should trump anyone else, but when a $1500 dell comes close to the $2700 Mac in specs, I see something wrong with that.

For the 10,000th and hopefully last time, an Intel mobile processor faster than that DOES NOT EXIST, and WILL NOT EXIST until Penryn.

(I think.)

AceOfBass

Jun 4, 2007, 11:56 PM

Eidorian

Jun 4, 2007, 11:58 PM

For the 10,000th and hopefully last time, an Intel mobile processor faster than that DOES NOT EXIST, and WILL NOT EXIST until Penryn.

(I think.)More or less true. Then again a lot of people make judgments on clock speed alone.

scrambledwonder

Jun 5, 2007, 12:01 AM

How is that disappointing?! Although I would've liked to see LED screens.

Again though, this is just a rumor. We don't know until we see it tomorrow.

No mention of LED screens in the spec sheet, but no mention of screens at all. I'll be happy if they simply have BETTER screens this time around.

freddiecable

Jun 5, 2007, 12:02 AM

don't get the complaints about the processor speed - 2.4 ghz - isn't that the fastest Intel has to date? And realisticly - is it relevant to release for example "flash-disks"? LED will probably arrive sometime autumn 2007 - no?

what I hope and believe is that by making this "spec-bump" (instead of speed-bump) Apple is making way for new stuff at WWDC. What might have the biggest impact? - a totally new iMac with high-end specification...please :p

AceOfBass

Jun 5, 2007, 12:02 AM

12:02 here and all is quiet, methinks we've been duped mates:(

scrambledwonder

Jun 5, 2007, 12:04 AM

12:02 here and all is quiet, methinks we've been duped mates:(

Relax central-timer. It's still MONDAY over here on the west coast.

Updates don't take place right a midnight anyway. Usually around 5 a.m.

HFU

Jun 5, 2007, 12:04 AM

More Rumors, but a little bit of a let down if its true.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/06/04/apple_set_to_unveil_macbook_pro_overhaul_back_to_school_promo.html

No LED LCD? Nvidia 8600M GT is a 43W 80nm chip, hot and power hunger! ATI X1600 only consumes 17W.

It's actually 70MHz to be exact! 2330MHz (667 Merom) vs 2400MHz (800 Merom)! No wonder Apple doesn't care to release SR platform ahead of other manufactures.

Apple should at least offer 120 or 160 7200RPM HDD as default.

Peace

Jun 5, 2007, 12:06 AM

12:02 here and all is quiet, methinks we've been duped mates:(

Relax.You'll see new Macbook Pros in the morning at Apple.com come 6AM Cupertino time..

AceOfBass

Jun 5, 2007, 12:08 AM

Relax central-timer. It's still MONDAY over here on the west coast.

Updates don't take place right a midnight anyway. Usually around 5 a.m.

well what the heck am I staying up for!? I'll see you guys in the morning :p I gotta get an iClock or something so I'll be in sync with apple time.. maybe it'll come with bluetooth and an update tracker...

jeffyhow

Jun 5, 2007, 12:08 AM

I hope Apple manages to keep the same enclosure design for 5 years. They're going on 4 now, and it's still as fresh as when they came out

Seriously, 2.4 is fine and the graphics is fine, but to keep essentially the same design since 1GHz 17" in 2003 is a bit lame for a company that prides itself on innovation. I'm typing this on a 17" MBP so no hate.

le sacre

Jun 5, 2007, 12:09 AM

12:02 here and all is quiet, methinks we've been duped mates:(

just in case this wasn't posted ironically:

first of all, apple is not located in the central time zone. like all good things, it's in california, pacific time. it's 10:09 here.

secondably, 12:01 am has no significance to apple that i'm aware of. products usually launch in the morning.

scrambledwonder

Jun 5, 2007, 12:11 AM

No LED LCD? Nvidia 8600M GT is a 43W 80nm chip, hot and power hunger! ATI X1600 only consumes 17W.

It's actually 70MHz to be exact! 2330MHz (667 Merom) vs 2400MHz (800 Merom)! No wonder Apple doesn't care to release SR platform ahead of other manufactures.

Apple should at least offer 120 or 160 7200RPM HDD as default.

WOAH. You're right. 43W. That's crazy. That seemingly would kill battery life. Unless there's something else to make up for it. . .

Ryan2268

Jun 5, 2007, 12:16 AM

on iTunes right now:

"College Students, buy a mac and get a free iPod nano"

kingofkolt

Jun 5, 2007, 12:17 AM

on iTunes right now:

"College Students, buy a mac and get a free iPod nano"

Where do you see that? I have iTunes open and I don't see it...

AceOfBass

Jun 5, 2007, 12:18 AM

on iTunes right now:

"College Students, buy a mac and get a free iPod nano"

Alright!! now it's just a matter of "to pro, or not to pro, that is the question":D

scrambledwonder

Jun 5, 2007, 12:18 AM

on iTunes right now:

"College Students, buy a mac and get a free iPod nano"

I have an expired student ID card, does that count?

I'm a student of life. . .

kajitox

Jun 5, 2007, 12:19 AM

on iTunes right now:

"College Students, buy a mac and get a free iPod nano"

Most excellent.

Ryan2268

Jun 5, 2007, 12:20 AM

Where do you see that? I have iTunes open and I don't see it...

middle of the page. try refresh.

Eidorian

Jun 5, 2007, 12:20 AM

I have an expired student ID card, does that count?

I'm a student of life. . .By expired hopefully you don't mean that it has a date on it...

kingofkolt

Jun 5, 2007, 12:20 AM

Um, can someone else confirm that? I'm still not seeing that on my iTunes.

BrianMR

Jun 5, 2007, 12:22 AM

More Rumors, but a little bit of a let down if its true.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/06/04/apple_set_to_unveil_macbook_pro_overhaul_back_to_school_promo.html

When you have a part number (e.g. MA610LL/A) you know its more than just your average rumour.

That's pretty much what I was looking for: SR & updated graphics & larger hard drive standard (looking at high end 15.4"). An LED backlit LCD would be nice, but for me its not worth waiting any longer for. It was more along the lines of a nice surprise.

I'm glad I waited a month.

kajitox

Jun 5, 2007, 12:22 AM

Um, can someone else confirm that? I'm still not seeing that on my iTunes.

I confirm that on the US iTunes.

Ryan2268

Jun 5, 2007, 12:23 AM

Um, can someone else confirm that? I'm still not seeing that on my iTunes.

it has a picture of a laptop + iPod nano on those boxes in the middle of the screen. Try to re-open see if you see it...

Eidorian

Jun 5, 2007, 12:23 AM

It's HAPPENING!!!1

It links to my current education site. Wonder where that is... No promo there yet though.

jeffyhow

Jun 5, 2007, 12:23 AM

Yeah its there, but clicking it takes you to the standard Apple store with no further info.

scrambledwonder

Jun 5, 2007, 12:24 AM

When you have a part number (e.g. MA610LL/A) you know its more than just your average rumour.

That's pretty much what I was looking for: SR & updated graphics & larger hard drive standard (looking at high end 15.4"). An LED backlit LCD would be nice, but for me its not worth waiting any longer for. It was more along the lines of a nice surprise.

I'm glad I waited a month.

You know, TFT doesn't mean no LED backlight. . .

Ryan2268

Jun 5, 2007, 12:25 AM

Yeah its there, but clicking it takes you to the standard Apple store with no further info.

i know...weird.

Eidorian

Jun 5, 2007, 12:26 AM

Yeah its there, but clicking it takes you to the standard Apple store with no further info.

i know...weird.I already have my Apple Education store in my cookies. It takes me there.

AceOfBass

Jun 5, 2007, 12:27 AM

has anybody seen which nano they're including? (more interested in price b/c I'm going to order a 30Gb video)

jeffyhow

Jun 5, 2007, 12:27 AM

I wonder if the 17" will get similar specs to the higher end 15, except maybe a 200GB HD or the like.

Wolfpup

Jun 5, 2007, 12:27 AM

If they redesign the case to include a user replaceable hard drive, then this upgrade will be pretty much perfect.

Okay, I'm being kind of a jerk in these responses, but geez, they're so random. Where were you guys when the Macbook got it's "upgrade"? Or were you defending THAT while slamming an actual upgrade?

The nvidia chips are significantly faster.

Should be close to double the performance of the x1600.

The 7600GT approached twice as fast as the dirt-slow x1600. The 8600 is in a whole different league. It's not the most powerful mobile GPU out there in raw power (that would be the 7950GTX), but it's close to as good as it gets for a laptop, and of course it supports Direct X 10 level features.

What I don't get though, is why they don't use 800Mhz RAM? Is it just too expensive? (Apple never seemed to have a problem with that in the past ;) )

667MHz RAM *is* the fast stuff. Many *DESKTOPS* ship with slower.

I double-checked the specs of the current models and this is not really an update.

Then you need to triple check the specs, when you'll realize it's about as big of an upgrade as Apple could have possibly done. It's the exact opposite of the Macbook "upgrade".

The only real different, based on this article is the GPU. Is that really worth the trouble?

In the first place, it's a whole new platform. Faster CPUs, new chipset, 64-bit support, etc. But even if it was just a new GPU-we're going from LAST YEAR'S low end GPU to THIS YEAR'S mid range model. So yes, that's worth it.

...Also that while power consumption was down significantly from previous generations, performance gains where minimal.

Wrong. Performance on the 8600GT wastes the 7600GT across the board, and adds DX 10 class support on top of that. The 7600GT already wasted the Radeon x1600...so yes, this is a huge GPU upgrade.

I was wondering this myself... I don't know much about which GPU's are what. How good are these GPU's, anyone know?

Close to as good as it gets for a notebook. Only the 7950GTX flat out beats it (but lacks DX 10). The 7900GS probably beats it in some things, loses in others, but is also a DX 10 part, so overall the 8600GT is arguably a better choice.

Mac's are usually pricey, are we getting a good deal here? I would expect a price drop. I was expecting Leopard to come out with it too?

Why would you expect a price drop OR leopard? Leopard is October. And prices have been consistent for several generations of systems.

I am so patiently waiting to see how the new mcbook pro's turn out.
But I have a feeling apple will not look the other way and just release
something very un-spectacular.

Your feeling goes against every rumor that's been presented for months now.

...By the way the new dell tops any current apple offering in the notebook genre.

No it doesn't. It's better than the Macbook, if that's the form factor you want. Dell's year old e1705 and M1710, and apparently all the Macbook Pros destroy Dell's new 13" if you care about performance or screen real estate.

The 965 chipset used in SR platform also produce more heat, use more power. Intel could have released 667FSB Merom at 2.5GHz (166.66 x 15) and 2.66GHz (166.66 x 16) to keep memory at preferred ratio with DDR2-667 (1:2) rather than (3:5) 800FSB:667MHz combo on SR.

Bus and RAM speeds haven't been kept synchronous for years. And I'd rather have the better performance that comes from the faster bus, than an arbitrary ratio between the two.

It's too quiet in here.. Aren't there gonna be people posting in here ..."Oh my God... This is the best they come up with?! THAT'S IT, I'm waiting for Penryn."

If the upgrades are as good as the rumors say, than only idiots will be saying thigns like that. The Macbook got tons of negative posts because it was a pathetic 160MHz speed bump, with nothing else to distinguish it.

Since so many resources were poured into the iPhone we won't get Santa Rosa or Robson.

All the rumors say we are getting the new chipsets and CPU.

The real update on the MacBook Pros: Slightly faster CPUs, ability to add more than 3 gigs of memory, slightly bigger hard drives, and a wait time of another 6+ months for Santa Rosa, Robson, OLEDs and HD.

No, Santa Rosa (or at least the important pieces of it) is here TODAY, if every rumor, and common sense, is correct.

And who on EARTH would want an OLED display!?! That's nuts. Those things are cheap garbage. Using them on a $40 MP3 player might make sense. Using them on a $2000-3000 laptop? I don't think so!

...Intel can say what ever about 965 chipset, it's just less appealing than Intel P35 mobile chipset (Montevina Platform) that is due around Q1 2008.

Umm...yeah. A chipset launching in Q1 of 2008 is better than one launched Q2 2007...am I supposed to be shocked by that? :confused:

uh oh, smells like another macbook-esque update on the wind. That would be pretty disappointing.

And again I have to say...huh? If this upgrade is true, then it encompasses basically everything we've wanted (except possibly for a case design that allows user replaceable hard drives).

They almost have to do more than that to keep up the gap between the pro and consumer models don't you think? It seems to me that the macbook would really cannibalize the MBP sales if they don't...

Huh? If the rumored specs are true, the gap just got a lot wider between the Macbook and Pro.

7 minutes till we find out!

No, try tomorrow morning. They don't update at midnight.

No LED LCD? Nvidia 8600M GT is a 43W 80nm chip, hot and power hunger! ATI X1600 only consumes 17W.

Even if that's true...who cares!?! On a power/performance basis, the 8600GT destoys the x1600. Plus, can it be underclocked when on battery? Or will a possible LED backlit screen make up the difference in power?

It's actually 70MHz to be exact! 2330MHz (667 Merom) vs 2400MHz (800 Merom)! No wonder Apple doesn't care to release SR platform ahead of other manufactures.

You're totally ignoring the almost 20% fast FSB! Not to mention the better chipset, etc.

kajitox

Jun 5, 2007, 12:27 AM

has anybody seen which nano they're including? (more interested in price b/c I'm going to order a 30Gb video)

Supposedly it is the 4GB. Thats about $200 USD.

Sbrocket

Jun 5, 2007, 12:27 AM

Where do you see that? I have iTunes open and I don't see it...

It's right on the front page of the iTMS, but it's just a link to the front page of the Apple Store since they haven't updated the Apple Store with the new Back to School '07 promo material yet.

heatasmallhouse

Jun 5, 2007, 12:28 AM

screensaver400

Jun 5, 2007, 12:28 AM

Here's a screen. I had to restart iTunes to get it. Note the orange square area near the top of iTunes... It fades from a Paul McCartney ad to that orange, then stops there. A pending update, methinks.

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8853/picture2fv3.th.png (http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture2fv3.png)

Eidorian

Jun 5, 2007, 12:30 AM

has anybody seen which nano they're including? (more interested in price b/c I'm going to order a 30Gb video)

Supposedly it is the 4GB. Thats about $200 USD.The 4 GB model should be free. Followed by a $199 discount on anything above it.

BrianMR

Jun 5, 2007, 12:30 AM

You know, TFT doesn't mean no LED backlight. . .

Yes, I'm still quietly hoping but its already met the bar for me and I'm trying not to experience the disappointment. I'm happy as-is... if its LED backlit, then its a total home-run for me. Even without that, as listed in the AI note its what I was looking for.

jeffyhow

Jun 5, 2007, 12:31 AM

Hope it at least has Robson caching (Turbo Memory).

AceOfBass

Jun 5, 2007, 12:32 AM

The 4 GB model should be free. Followed by a $199 discount on anything above it.

sweet, better than I'd hoped for! I'll have cash left over from hocking my zen!

Eidorian

Jun 5, 2007, 12:32 AM

Hope it at least has Robson caching (Turbo Memory).Not really worth it to be honest...

jeffyhow

Jun 5, 2007, 12:36 AM

Not really worth it to be honest...

Sure gains are minimal, but otherwise all they did was marginally bump the CPU core and a decent FSB and GPU bump. Case, and features for the most part have been same since the first MBP at the start of 06. The CPU is plenty fast no doubt, but some spark of inspiration would be nice.

scrambledwonder

Jun 5, 2007, 12:36 AM

Yes, I'm still quietly hoping but its already met the bar for me and I'm trying not to experience the disappointment. I'm happy as-is... if its LED backlit, then its a total home-run for me. Even without that, as listed in the AI note its what I was looking for.

Yeah, I'm going to pick one up tomorrow anyway too. Still hoping for the LED though. . . Or at least superior cold cathode screen. The current screen leaves much to be desired.

Eidorian

Jun 5, 2007, 12:40 AM

Sure gains are minimal, but otherwise all they did was marginally bump the CPU core and a decent FSB and GPU bump. Case, and features for the most part have been same since the first MBP at the start of 06. The CPU is plenty fast no doubt, but some spark of inspiration would be nice.I was talking only about the Turbo Memory...

BrianMR

Jun 5, 2007, 12:44 AM

jeffyhow

Jun 5, 2007, 12:50 AM

Someone posted that its 3.2 ounces lighter now (in the comments on the AI article).

Anyone care to speculate how that happened? I realize its not a lot of weight, but it makes me wonder if there isn't something other than just chipset changes.

That could be one less fan here or there or lighter heatsink even. The rest of the case dimensions are the same, so I doubt a redesign. Best case I hope it is LED backlights and no invertor board.

tuc

Jun 5, 2007, 12:52 AM

When did the red "faster" badge disappear from the MacBooks on store.apple.com?

heatasmallhouse

Jun 5, 2007, 12:56 AM

When did the red "faster" badge disappear from the MacBooks on store.apple.com?

still there if you click on them. happened about an hour ago.

dongmin

Jun 5, 2007, 12:58 AM

How is that disappointing?! Although I would've liked to see LED screens.

Again though, this is just a rumor. We don't know until we see it tomorrow.I don't see how AI's specs preclude LED back-lighting. Steve Jobs is on the record as saying Apple will introduce LED-based laptops THIS YEAR. There's very good chance the MBPs may not get updated again until MWSF2008. This HAS to be when Apple delivers on LED-based LCDs.

And think about it, Santa Rosa the platform is not a huge selling point for Apple. It's very hard to market 800 FSB and IDP sound sexy. They have to have some other talking points, like magnetic latch, longer battery life, better (LED) screens, and Turbo Memory.

RoDe

Jun 5, 2007, 01:01 AM

The Santa Rosa platform still uses the C2D..

Unless you're looking for quad-puting..

Of course you are so right.

But still If no Santa Rosa platform is used (with the robson tech.)in the next upgrade, nevermind the LED screens, I will be totally let down by Apple this year. :mad:

Could it be that, we'll only start to see anything realy new, computerwise, after the introduction of Leopard? Could it be that 10.4 isn't/wasn't built with those technologies (Robson, Bluray,HD DVD)in mind? And that it simply isn't possible or that it is possible, but wouldn't give the performance boost Apple would like to see.

Just a thought :rolleyes:

mrkramer

Jun 5, 2007, 01:01 AM

This HAS to be when Apple delivers on LED-based LCDs.

Are there panels for the 17" available yet? otherwise their could be a minor bump in the fall to LED-based LCDs.

scrambledwonder

Jun 5, 2007, 01:05 AM

Are there panels for the 17" available yet? otherwise their could be a minor bump in the fall to LED-based LCDs.

Well, the 17's could stick with cold cathode. . . the whole line doesn't have to feature LED, right? I mean, the MacBook won't get it for a while yet. . .

Sbrocket

Jun 5, 2007, 01:08 AM

Well, the 17's could stick with cold cathode. . . the whole line doesn't have to feature LED, right? I mean, the MacBook won't get it for a while yet. . .

Yeah it doesn't "have to", but the 17" customers probably wouldn't be happy if the lower-end 15" models had LED backlighting and the high-end model didn't. Plus that wouldn't make much sense.

Not only that, but I'd think the 17" model would be the first on the list for lower-power backlighting with the bigger display size.

:apple:

scrambledwonder

Jun 5, 2007, 01:10 AM

Yeah it doesn't "have to", but the 17" customers probably wouldn't be happy if the lower-end 15" models had LED backlighting and the high-end model didn't. Plus that wouldn't make much sense.

Not only that, but I'd think the 17" model would be the first on the list for lower-power backlighting with the bigger display size.

:apple:

Not if the 17-inch displays cost a bazillion dollars. Erm, are really expensive. And anyway, the people who buy 17-inchers get two more inches of screen real estate and a HUGE battery that gives them better battery life than the 15-inch model.

Sbrocket

Jun 5, 2007, 01:14 AM

Not if the 17-inch displays cost a bazillion dollars. Erm, are really expensive. And anyway, the people who buy 17-inchers get two more inches of screen real estate and a HUGE battery that gives them better battery life than the 15-inch model.

Hey, they could always stick a 15-inch LED backlight attached to a 17-inch display and do some tricks with mirrors...no?....

...I think I'm reaching here... :D

:apple:

mrkramer

Jun 5, 2007, 01:16 AM

...I think I'm reaching here... :D

You definatly are.

scrambledwonder

Jun 5, 2007, 01:16 AM

Hey, they could always stick a 15-inch LED backlight attached to a 17-inch display and do some tricks with mirrors...no?....

...I think I'm reaching here... :D

:apple:

hahaha! That's wicked awesome! :D

kingofkolt

Jun 5, 2007, 01:19 AM

From my post in the other forum: (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=308981&page=24)

DUDE!

You guys know how Amazon was saying "a newer version may be available" of the MBP? Well, now they're offering a $150 rebate on the high-end 15" and 17" MBP's!

Giggity.

heatasmallhouse

Jun 5, 2007, 01:23 AM

sonictonic

Jun 5, 2007, 01:24 AM

I can't sleep! :o

scrambledwonder

Jun 5, 2007, 01:24 AM

Hey, they could always stick a 15-inch LED backlight attached to a 17-inch display and do some tricks with mirrors...no?....

...I think I'm reaching here... :D

:apple:

wait wait! I found the new LED display they're going to use. Check out the resolution!!

http://www.chinavendors.com/upload/cvo/product/outdoor-dual-color-led-display-screens-0000036242-L.jpg

dongmin

Jun 5, 2007, 01:24 AM

AppleInsider says 120GB HD...that's less than the standard blackbook

i don't know if anything is coming out tomorrow morning, or if it will be WWDC, but one thing I know for sure is there is no way they're releasing a smaller harddrive in the pro that the blackbook.

hence, i declare BS on AppleInsider's partTypically, the low-end MBP has had the same HDD specs as the Blackbook. So expect, at minimum, 160GB HD, 8x Superdrive, and 1GB RAM (but most likely 2GB).

kingofkolt

Jun 5, 2007, 01:30 AM

wait wait! I found the new LED display they're going to use. Check out the resolution!!

http://www.chinavendors.com/upload/cvo/product/outdoor-dual-color-led-display-screens-0000036242-L.jpg

Somehow that doesn't look very portable...

scrambledwonder

Jun 5, 2007, 01:35 AM

Somehow that doesn't look very portable...

Oh c'mon! Three able-bodied men or women should be able to move it a few feet, no problem!

mustgroove

Jun 5, 2007, 01:38 AM

Will they be doing a chassis redesign, to allow for user-replaceable hard drives?

/me hopes so...

mrkramer

Jun 5, 2007, 01:39 AM

Somehow that doesn't look very portable...
That didn't stop them with the Mac portable in the early '90s.

shigzeo

Jun 5, 2007, 01:46 AM

I don't see this happening.

120 GB HDD when the BlackBook has 160? Rrrrrrright.

Only a .04 GHz upgrade? No Santa Rosa on the base?

I guess LED screens could make up for a new, non-Santa Rosa low-end MBP. But the hard drive can't be below the BlackBook.

im a silly pill up till 2:44 - more as i was addicted to my rather new futuresonics atrio m5 paired with my cowon d2 (grin) and some william gibson catch up, but 2.2 ghz processor only works on a chipset that supports 800 mhz. 2.2 is santa rosa. 2.4 is santa rosa. i know someone will have said all this before, but i state again, it is 2:45. apple are in command to dash our hopes or not; either way, i am computer-less and will be purchasing one within the week it comes out (just after barefeats and everyone reviews it for kinks) - cheers

HFU

Jun 5, 2007, 01:47 AM

Bus and RAM speeds haven't been kept synchronous for years. And I'd rather have the better performance that comes from the faster bus, than an arbitrary ratio between the two.The fact is the less asynchronous the better for performance. 1:2 ratio (166FSB:333MHz) is actually a much better ratio than 3:5 ratio (200FSB:333MHz). In terms of performance comparison, 667FSB processor with 667MHz memory actually perform better than 800FSB processor with 667MHz!

Even if that's true...who cares!?! On a power/performance basis, the 8600GT destoys the x1600. Plus, can it be underclocked when on battery? Or will a possible LED backlit screen make up the difference in power?Many people will care about LED backlit as it is the next trend for new LCD standard due to power difference. 8600GT is no doubt a much powerful GPU, but not the most suitable mobile GPU until 65nm version. With high TDP for 8600GT, one would not expect a cool laptop that can last more than 3 hours of battery life.

You're totally ignoring the almost 20% fast FSB! Not to mention the better chipset, etc.20% faster FSB doesn't translate to 20% performance improvement, especially when we are talking about 2.33GHz/667FSB vs 2.40GHz/800FSB (same pipeline, cache size, microachitecture), we are really looking at less than 4% improvement in Sis Sandra benchmark or less than 2% improvement in real world. I'd not call 965 better chipset (at least on the mobile platform), just a newer chipset with higher TDP which produces more heat and consumes more power than 945 chipset.

scrambledwonder

Jun 5, 2007, 01:49 AM

That didn't stop them with the Mac portable in the early '90s.

http://lowendmac.com/pb/540.shtml

shigzeo

Jun 5, 2007, 01:50 AM

I have an expired student ID card, does that count?

I'm a student of life. . .

that and your signature proves... you area student of life. congrats

sportsfanMAW

Jun 5, 2007, 01:56 AM

if they do release a new one will it come out at midnight pacific time?

Aniej

Jun 5, 2007, 01:56 AM

Kaptajn Haddock

Jun 5, 2007, 01:57 AM

Many expect Santa Rosa to perform well as a mobile gaming platform due to its ability to switch between single threaded and multithreaded tasks (Wikipedia).

Well that sounds great, but the real news is the LED backlit displays (if true). That means the MBP's display will be perfect for working with graphics - the thing that only the best CRT displays does today. The colorspectrum is way better then with the fluorescent display in the current line - and the backlighting is much more even (it actually is even).

This is huge guys and girls. LED is what should get people out of their chairs, not a minor CPU update.

Aniej

Jun 5, 2007, 01:57 AM

if they do release a new one will it come out at midnight pacific time?

not likely, it tends to be at 6-9AM EST.

kingofkolt

Jun 5, 2007, 01:58 AM

appleinsider's claimed specs really kinda stink. I mean I was fine with minor changes and improvements, but these would be really really minor. Here's hoping AI is wrong, as it often is, and that we see LED and SR in about 6 hours.

AI isn't saying there won't be LED. AI is saying that there will be SR (hence the 2.2GHz and 2.4GHz configurations).

Aniej

Jun 5, 2007, 02:02 AM

AI isn't saying there won't be LED. AI is saying that there will be SR (hence the 2.2GHz and 2.4GHz configurations).

ohhh, maybe I read their post that explicitly said TFT display's wrong.

Directly from AI:

• 2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor; 4MB shared level 2 cache
• 2GB of 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM (PC2-5300)
• 120GB 5400-rpm hard drive
• 15.4-inch (diagonal) TFT widescreen display; 1440 by 900 pixels
• NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT with 128MB of GDDR3 SDRAM
• Built-in iSight video camera
• Slot-loading 8x SuperDrive (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
(etc. (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/06/04/apple_set_to_unveil_macbook_pro_overhaul_back_to_school_promo.html))

Kaptajn Haddock

Jun 5, 2007, 02:02 AM

AI isn't saying there won't be LED. AI is saying that there will be SR (hence the 2.2GHz and 2.4GHz configurations).

If this isn't stating NO LED, what is?!

"15.4-inch (diagonal) TFT widescreen display; 1440 by 900 pixels" (AI.com)

kingofkolt

Jun 5, 2007, 02:04 AM

All I know is, somebody said earlier that TFT doesn't mean no LED. Just like an LCD monitor can be LED. LED has to do with the light source.

Kaptajn Haddock

Jun 5, 2007, 02:06 AM

If there is no LED the upgrade will suck, and I'm actually afraid it will :mad:

If they release the new MBP today Apple will still have time to release another MBP with LED display later in 2007 (say nov/dec 2007) - as stated in Steves environmental letter to Greenpeace about LED displays coming 2007.

That sucks!!!!!

Aniej

Jun 5, 2007, 02:08 AM

All I know is, somebody said earlier that TFT doesn't mean no LED. Just like an LCD monitor can be LED. LED has to do with the light source.

Well how about you get your facts correct and worry less about using most likely uninformed comments from other posts as facts.

Also, perhaps you would explain why an increase in processor speed would be conclusive of SR being integrated into the MBP update?

scrambledwonder

Jun 5, 2007, 02:08 AM

If this isn't stating NO LED, what is?!

"15.4-inch (diagonal) TFT widescreen display; 1440 by 900 pixels" (AI.com)

TFT = Thin-Film Transistor.

That's not backlight.

Currently the MBP screens use cold cathode fluorescent backlights.

LED backlights are different.

All flat panels use TFT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD

g'night, I'm off to slumber.

kingofkolt

Jun 5, 2007, 02:13 AM

Also, perhaps you would explain why an increase in processor speed would be conclusive of SR being integrated into the MBP update?

Thought you'd never ask! ;) The current processor/chipset doesn't support speeds faster than 2.33GHz. So the fact that the purported update includes 2.4GHz CPU's means that the CPU/chipset is Santa Rosa, because that is the only possible way to get the clock speed that fast.

(And I don't know much about the terminology of LCD screens, but read scrambledwonder's post above me explaining that TFT isn't referring to the backlighting.)

Kaptajn Haddock

Jun 5, 2007, 02:17 AM

TFT = Thin-Film Transistor.

That's not backlight.

Currently the MBP screens use cold cathode fluorescent backlights.

LED backlights are different.

All flat panels use TFT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD

g'night, I'm off to slumber.

I know, but don't you think the specs would explicitally say if the displays used LED? Its a major salesbooster imho.

Evangelion

Jun 5, 2007, 02:21 AM

Yeah mee too, if it's really 667 Mhz FSB then that means no Santa Rosa :(

Well we'll see in the morning!

What makes you think that it does not have 800Mhz bus? Because the RAM is clocked at 667Mhz? What does the speed of the RAM have to do with the speed of the front-side bus? Answer: just about nothing.

Kaptajn Haddock

Jun 5, 2007, 02:23 AM

Hmm, the more I look at the AI specs the more I'm convinced they are real. They seem plausible, and much up to par with the minor update the MB got last week. As I said earlier, the release of a new MBP today will give Apple the room to release a LED version in late 2007 (thats 6 months from now) - that coincides with Steve Jobs saying that we will see LED displays from Apple in 2007, and Apples normal update cycle of the MBP.

This kinda sucks - I can't wait another 6 months for the LED MBP - but that is actually the only thing I'm interested in. The speed bumps are not a big deal to me. Whether I'm able to rip a cd in 20 or 18 secs really isn't worth mentioning :)

Evangelion

Jun 5, 2007, 02:24 AM

modest speed upgrades... hey, at least we can still feel all warm and fuzzy remembering the days of PPC speed boosts :o

These are the fastest mobile-CPU Intel has to offer.

Sbrocket

Jun 5, 2007, 02:27 AM

Kaptajn Haddock

Jun 5, 2007, 02:30 AM

They aren't exact, because the new 17" (at least) DOES have an LED backlit screen with a 1900x1200 resolution standard. That's directly from internal. If you don't want to trust me as a source, then check apple.com for yourself tomorrow morning.

:apple:

That seems dubious since 15" is the only payable LED backlit display. I didn't see your post earlier about the 17" - if you are right that will be awsome though! Perhaps LED displays will be a BTO option as Dell does it. Just like now where you can choose between glossy or matte display.

kingofkolt

Jun 5, 2007, 02:33 AM

They aren't exact, because the new 17" (at least) DOES have an LED backlit screen with a 1900x1200 resolution standard. That's directly from internal. If you don't want to trust me as a source, then check apple.com for yourself tomorrow morning.

:apple:

Sweet... are the 15"'s gonna have LED's also? Do you know anything about the GPU's?

(Yes, I am trying to milk you for all you're worth :D )

yagran

Jun 5, 2007, 02:34 AM