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eric_n_dfw
Jul 1, 2003, 09:43 AM
http://www.forbes.com/2003/07/01/cx_ah_0701tentech.html?partner=yahoo&referrer=

http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/pc/pc_cf_prodChassis.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0077760697.1057070063@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccchadcijmijilfcgfkceghdgngdglj.0&comm=ST&pfam=Satellite&pmod=P25

Maybe Apple will lower their prices...
http://images.forbes.com/images/2003/07/01/0701tentech_295x250.jpg
...then again, the Toshiba looks like an elementary school lunch tray or a left over prop from Space 1999, so maybe they won't have to! (It's even uglier that those 2-tone Dell laptops IMO!)

NavyIntel007
Jul 1, 2003, 09:49 AM
Or maybe not! That computer is horribly designed and has a desktop processor in it. Meaning it's hot and has no battery life. Oh yeah and it runs windows...

You get what you pay for my friends.

ouketii
Jul 1, 2003, 09:58 AM
heh heh it reminds me of my george forman grill. except less usefull

Pete_Hoover
Jul 1, 2003, 09:58 AM
That thing is no competition for Apple's 17 incher.

jxyama
Jul 1, 2003, 10:03 AM
priced $1,200 less for:

-no gigabit ethernet (not a big deal yet)
-no FW800 (again, not a big deal yet)
-no backlit keyboard (minus)
-no l3 cache (big minus, as a desktop repl.)
-no BT (getting to be more of a minus)
-no wireless-g (wait and see about 'a' vs. 'g')
-no 64 mb video memory (minus)
-shorter battery life (big minus)
-40 less pixels in width (not a big deal)
-more weight (+3 lbs) (big minus)
-more width, height and depth (minus)

but gain:
-usb 2 ports (plus)
-sd card slots (a little plus)
-IR and parallel ports (not very useful anymore)
-802.11a wireless (see 'g')
-faster fsb (big plus)

anything else..?

as usual, i don't think apple should lower the price based on this "competition"...

[edit]
btw, purely out of curiosity, why would this toshiba weigh 3 lbs more than the pb? (6.8 vs. 9.9) is Al casing *that much* lighter than plastic?
[\edit]

eric_n_dfw
Jul 1, 2003, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by jxyama
[edit]
btw, purely out of curiosity, why would this toshiba weigh 3 lbs more than the pb? (6.8 vs. 9.9) is Al casing *that much* lighter than plastic?
[\edit] Win XP - it's that bloated! ;)

jxyama
Jul 1, 2003, 10:16 AM
it just hit me... this machine is 9.9 lbs, eh..?

i wonder how much effort was put into that spec. to make it "just under" 10 lbs. do you think the same consumer mind trick of pricing something as $9.99 instead of $10 was at work here? does 10 lbs sound so much heavier than 9.9 lbs? :D

michaelrjohnson
Jul 1, 2003, 02:30 PM
actually, it's 9.9 pounds, but i don't think they included the battery!!!

(i could be wrong, of course) but the weights are separate on the specsheet.

if they didn't include the battery, add 1.41 pounds = 10.31 pounds
if they did include the battery, add 0 pounds = 9.9 pounds

EITHER way, that's a rediculus comparison to the PB 17.

Don't even get me started on battery life! that thing has an expected battery life of 2 HOURS!!! Apple's expected is 4.5 and we know it doesn't get quite that... that means that this "desktop replacement" that is "competition" can only run for about 1hr, 1.5hrs away from an outlet??? Why bother?!??!?!:mad: :mad: :mad:

:D

ftaok
Jul 1, 2003, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by jxyama
[edit]
btw, purely out of curiosity, why would this toshiba weigh 3 lbs more than the pb? (6.8 vs. 9.9) is Al casing *that much* lighter than plastic?
[\edit] It may be because the transformer is built into the machine rather than being a separate attachment. On my old Toshiba (Satellite Pro 430), all I had to do was plug in a plug. No transformer to worry about. Of course this added bulk and weight. The travel weight is about the same.

Moe
Jul 1, 2003, 02:48 PM
The Toshiba won't be the only 17" Wintel notebook out there.

http://www.sagernotebook.com/pages/notebooks/product.cfm?ProductType=4760###ProductType#

http://pctorque.com/4760.php

patrick0brien
Jul 1, 2003, 03:28 PM
-eric_n_dfw

The key word here is "cheap".

Back at KPMG we used to call them "Piece of Toshiba", and that was before all of the PC clones started trying to out-cheap each other (competing on price, not features/quality)

Classic get what you pay for.

Giaguara
Jul 1, 2003, 03:46 PM
Dell those are ugly. :o

They look like a grill. Maybe they should add the grill handle to it as well. At least if they get as hot.

MacFan25
Jul 1, 2003, 04:02 PM
eww...that is pretty ugly. well, you get what you pay for. ;)

iJon
Jul 1, 2003, 04:32 PM
i posted a thread 2 months ago on the first 17" laptop in the pc world. it seems voodoo brought it first to the table.

iJon

Mike Teezie
Jul 1, 2003, 04:42 PM
That may be the ugliest thing I have ever seen....

ZildjianKX
Jul 1, 2003, 06:42 PM
Originally posted by Mike Teezie
That may be the ugliest thing I have ever seen....

What, there's a G5 tower? Where?

;)

tazo
Jul 1, 2003, 07:18 PM
Originally posted by ZildjianKX
What, there's a G5 tower? Where?

;)

lol i agree.

that sager notebook is actually pretty cool looking. too bad it weights 9 lbs. and an integrated video camera that i cannot seem to find on it :P

WinterMute
Jul 1, 2003, 07:21 PM
I hear it comes with a years chiropractic cover to put your neck and shoulders back together after lugging the ugly piece of crap around...;) :D

BWhaler
Jul 2, 2003, 03:23 AM
The thing that amazes me here is how the tech press is ignoring the obvious drawbacks and areas where the PB17 is clearly superior.

Not one article mentions its weight. 10 pounds.

Not one article mentions the pathetic battery life. 2 hours.

But this is the PB17 "competitor."

I know the trade press is biased, but this is pathetic. It's bad enough they describe dual CPU macs as only one CPU, but to ignore clear design issues in a PC goes beyond biased journalism, and is out-right irresponsible.

VIREBEL661
Jul 2, 2003, 03:46 AM
Besides the horrible OS, an anyone say 'FUGLEY'?

Looks like it's from the 1970's or something..

iEric
Jul 2, 2003, 02:50 PM
ewww thats a nasty piece of plastic...

Why would apple lower their prices...i dont think they are scared of that piece of shiza

Heltik
Jul 2, 2003, 05:33 PM
I remember all those comments about the keyboard in the 17" PB, and I note that here, these PC's have a numeric keypad.

But is it just me, or would that be the worst thing on a notebook. My iBook is admittedly a smaller formfactor, but the keyboard is central on the notebook. And this is comfortable. It's the same on the 17" Keyboard... But these pc keyboards, the numeric pad means that the keys are scewed off to the left, and that must feel awful to type when you have it balanced on your lap?

What do you guys think? Numeric keypad, a plus or a minus on a notebook?

Nice.

neut
Jul 2, 2003, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by Heltik
I remember all those comments about the keyboard in the 17" PB, and I note that here, these PC's have a numeric keypad.

where's that numeric kepad again?

tazo
Jul 2, 2003, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by neut
where's that numeric kepad again?

I was thinking this too.

I have yet to ever see a laptop with a righthand numerical keypad. if you do I want to see this fugly device.

PowerBook User
Jul 2, 2003, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by Mike Teezie
That may be the ugliest thing I have ever seen....
That is pretty ugly, but not as ugly as the pink Gateway laptop that is supposed to be in Legally Blonde 2.

applemacdude
Jul 2, 2003, 07:02 PM
Those are the ugliest things ever...give me a clamshell ibook anyday...

tazo
Jul 2, 2003, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by applemacdude
Those are the ugliest things ever...give me a clamshell ibook anyday...

yeah cuz that was a true marvel of beautiful design. the orange was a nice touch.

MacManDan
Jul 4, 2003, 12:25 AM
Originally posted by PowerBook User
That is pretty ugly, but not as ugly as the pink Gateway laptop that is supposed to be in Legally Blonde 2.

LoL .. I would actually have to say that they're about tied. At least the Gateway matches the rest of the movie's motif .. [edit: oh man .. did I just say that .. I must really be tired]

RandomDeadHead
Jul 4, 2003, 02:19 AM
What happened to this POS, oops I mean peecee? The off centered track pad just makes it look like total *****.

Moe
Jul 4, 2003, 12:47 PM
That's done for function, not looks. The keyboard has a numeric keypad on the right side, so the trackpad is located centered on the rest of the keyboard.

ZildjianKX
Jul 4, 2003, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by Moe
That's done for function, not looks. The keyboard has a numeric keypad on the right side, so the trackpad is located centered on the rest of the keyboard.

Something apple should have done with that extra space on the 17"...

Not to mention 2 mouse buttons next to the track pad... so you don't have to reach half a mile for the keyboard like on the 17" powerbook to get two mouse button functionality.

Moe
Jul 4, 2003, 04:48 PM
Amen to both!

WiSE CHiHUAHUA
Jul 6, 2003, 10:53 PM
The took all the windoze world's requirements into consideration.

1. Needs to be thicker
2. Needs to be a black box
3. Needs to be as heavy as a cow
4. Needs to have practically useless hardware
5. Can't Utilize the latest technology (Bluetooth, 802.11g, DVD Burner)
6. A crappy operation system

I can't remember anymore of the requirements right now...

patrick0brien
Jul 7, 2003, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by WiSE CHiHUAHUA
I can't remember anymore of the requirements right now...

-WiSE CHiHUAHUA

How about: Entrap the user in using the box, unable to leave the platform.

WiSE CHiHUAHUA
Jul 7, 2003, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by patrick0brien

How about: Entrap the user in using the box, unable to leave the platform.

Ah, yes, now I remember.

jzieske
Jul 7, 2003, 11:43 PM
A numeric keypad is not a bad idea but if you have to offset the keyboard it makes it very hard to use. There must be a better way to put a keypad on a laptop. But since apple has not come up with it yet maybe ther is not.