Poll: Do you like the appearance of the PowerMac G5?

[MacRumors]

Vote: Poll: Do you like the appearance of the PowerMac G5? (http://www.macpolls.com/?poll_id=220&ref=forums.macrumors.com)

[Wardofsky]

Well...

At first sight I thought it was kind of ugly, but I soon learnt to love it :D

But never judge a book by it's cover, this is one scream machine...

[MacFan26]

At first I thought it was great, and then I heard people calling it a "cheese grater" and I thought it would be doomed, but I still think it's great. :)

[MoparShaha]

Never liked it. It just doesn't look like a mac. Don't get me wrong, I like the aluminum, but it just doesn't flow like a mac should. I know Apple chose this design for function first, and for that I give them kudos. If they had to make it look like that to get it to perform, fine. I do hope, however, that as the G5 progresses, it will look a little nicer, more mac-like.

[blogo]

I like the inside better than the outside, but that is because compared to other computers its so clean.

[jbomber]

don't like it at all, but i've been a little too outspoken about that.... :)

fingers crossed for the Rev B

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by Eple
I like the inside better than the outside, but that is because compared to other computers its so clean.

so true:D

[Nermal]

A lot more "yes" responses than I was expecting. I voted yes too.

[maradong]

oh yes, i do ;)

[MacFan25]

At first I wasnt sure, but then when I saw some better pics, and now I like it. :)

[iGav]

Absolutely...

It's good design plain and simple.

It also has incredibly strong visual links to the minimalist view of technology defined by Kubricks 2001.

[GroundLoop]

I think the case's internal design is brilliant. But they could have wrapped it in something a little (no, a lot) sexier. Don't get me wrong, I will buy one (eventually). But, it'll likely be an XServe so I can mount it and hide it in the closet with the rest of my computing and home theater gear.

Hickman

[yzedf]

Looks like a junky Lian Li case to me...

Regardless, the tower sits on the floor at home for me (no room to 'show off' on top of desk).

[bograt]

Dunno why but it just doesn't look halfway decent. Still, the initial batch of G4's had some problems, time will only tell if this will happen with the G5's. I guess I will wait till Rev2.



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[safXmal]

I remember the first picture I saw of the G5 - I thought it wasn't anything special - not much to see. But the strange thing is that it ruined the looks of the G4 for me. Whenever I see a picture of the older computer now i find him a bit tacky - too much plastic and all ...
So for me the design has been a great succes

[Wes]

As typical of the release of a new mac product within a few minutes you saw complaints, the liberal spreading of 'fuglies' and 'I hate it', but as of now, only 12% don't like it.

[redAPPLE]

Originally posted by MoparShaha
I do hope, however, that as the G5 progresses, it will look a little nicer, more mac-like.

what would be more "mac-like" in yur eyes?

[trebblekicked]

i love it. i can only image what it looks like in person; sleek, sharp, shiny and simple. (not that it really matters; my machines all live under my desk)

[lokey]

Simply... it's a functional design and it works. It puts the rest the claim from PC users that Apple puts form over function.

I think its :cool:

[eric_n_dfw]

Originally posted by redAPPLE
what would be more "mac-like" in yur eyes?
http://everymac.com/images/cpu_pictures/apple_mac_128k.gif
:D :D :D :p

[hvfsl]

Originally posted by lokey
Simply... it's a functional design and it works. It puts the rest the claim from PC users that Apple puts form over function.

I think its :cool:

Macs still put form over function, if they did not Macs would look like Dell machines. I don't really like the G5 look, but it would not stop me from buying one. I think the best looking Mac of all time is the 15in PowerBook G4.

[Freg3000]

I voted yes, and as of my vote, the yes vote outnumbered the no vote by more than 5 to 1. I can remember telling everyone in the IRC channel that it is normal for a person's first reaction to be negative, because change it hard to take. I guess it is true. It has grown on so many people, including myself. :)

[jefhatfield]

when i first saw the G5, it reminded me more of a high end pc or kit pc than a mac

we got so used to the mac like look and playfulness of the imac, the blue and white g3, and the g4s

but it's the inside which counts

even if the g5 looked like a utilitarian dell, it would still get the job done with os x, sherlock, appleworks, and an overall design where the hardware and software work together seamlessly

[wdlove]

I voted yes along with 73.84%. Love the design, it's futuristic and solid looking. Aluminum is the way to go, please no more plastic!

[Kwyjibo]

I don't like the look of it, much the same as the ipod but i'll deal with it. I think the inside of the machine speaks for itself and it was defiantely more than time for an upgrade. Its still bettter than a PC case but I really thoiught the quicksilverand mdd cases were cool looking

[Longey Nowze]

I love the the fact of how clean it looks! it's so simple! and it's so functional! I want Ives to design my room! lol

anyway I'm waiting for the next case design, I hear they will use wood! but not any wood! it's cloned wood! so it's ok to use it! I was being stupid so don't flame

Thank You
MaT

[MacManDan]

I like Apple's movement towards their industrial-style themes. I hope they don't migrate all of their products to it though. The iPod and flat-panel iMac are great-looking products on their line that complement consumer styles very well. the Pro-lines (PowerMacs, PowerBooks) are really looking good as well. I give them a thumbs up. :)

[agreenster]

I think people will feel differently about it when they actually see it for themselves. Apple computers always perfect the details...

[Dont Hurt Me]

Look at all the apple machines this past 4-5 years, the new g5 wins no styling awards and is the ugliest machine out of apple in a long time. so no i dont like the appearance,,but will love the performance.

[Dahl]

Originally posted by Wardofsky
Well...

At first sight I thought it was kind of ugly, but I soon learnt to love it :D

But never judge a book by it's cover, this is one scream machine...
That's how I feel too. Besides, I don't want to be too harsh before I get to see it for real.

[Das]

I don't know about you guys, but the first thing I'm doing with mine is putting a panel window on that sucker. It's a shame to hide that beautiful engine behind a plate of al.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by Das
I don't know about you guys, but the first thing I'm doing with mine is putting a panel window on that sucker. It's a shame to hide that beautiful engine behind a plate of al. why not just run it with that clear plastic covering it's got?

anyways, the style is clean and elegant, and simple. i like it much better than the old G4 powermac design. they lookek kinda toyish to me.

[requies]

hello? where are the shades of grey in your poll?

how about:

How do you like the appearance of the PowerMac G5?
- love it
- mostly like it
- neutral
- mostly dislike it
- hate it
- undecided

black and white makes for dull polls. i was forced to say that i like it, but that doesn't accurately describe how i feel about it. while i find it generally pleasing, i'm not crazy about the design.

[Doctor Q]

I'll get used to seeing it, but I voted no. I think that practical concerns, particularly heat, limited the creative possibilites. I wasn't expecting anything in particular, only to be pleasantly surprised, and I wasn't. Just my opinion (subject to change without notice, your mileage may vary, void where prohibited).

Someday, the surfaces of our Mac enclosures will be programmable and we'll each be designing what we see on the sides of our Macs. Now that will be revolutionary. I can just imagine reading the August Case Designs thread here at MacRumors!

[bigjohn]

I don't not like it. What I wonder is how much extra the G5 (or any other mac for that matter) costs due to design and asthetic appeal. Don't get me wrong, my white iBook 600 is far more visually appealing to me than the clamshell iBook.

I know we all appreciate the Mac OS and the way it makes things easier, but if you could pay say $500 less and get the G5 in a standard ATX case wouldn't you do it?

I would.

[barkmonster]

IT'S MINGING!!!

I can't believe apple would make such a hideous case. It looks like a giant cheesegrater with designs on becoming a microphone one day.

I don't like what I've read about eject system for the 1 measly optical drive at all. I can see it being something that could cause people problems, I want apple to start putting eject buttons on the case, using the keyboard to eject makes as much sense as going to start to shut down.

[Regular Joe]

It's not so much the design I hate, but the freaking size of the damn thing... and 9 fans !??!? Holy crap.

I am quite worried when it comes to reliability as the case fills with dust and bearings in the fans fail. Hopefully someone will invent a nice black (or other colors, for that matter) replaceable filter that fits behind the grille.

With a case that tall, it is a crime not to have two optical drive bays. I really like the top view of it (as shown in the G5 intro video) spinning to the beat.

I'm still praying for a cube design before Christmas (buying my first Mac in Nov.)

[pimentoLoaf]

Being sleeker and more utilitarian-looking than the current model, this design ought to look rather spiffy underslung from a modern-looking table -- if you can find one that's made from stainless steel.

[Das]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
why not just run it with that clear plastic covering it's got?

anyways, the style is clean and elegant, and simple. i like it much better than the old G4 powermac design. they lookek kinda toyish to me.

You mean the real thing is going to have that clear plastic sheet? I thought that was like a sneeze guard for the mac show only. You know, in case anyone decided to poke (literally) around a little inside it.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by Das
You mean the real thing is going to have that clear plastic sheet? I thought that was like a sneeze guard for the mac show only. You know, in case anyone decided to poke (literally) around a little inside it. no, the plastic cover is, i believe, for routing air into specific places. that's why it's all contoured. could be wrong, but i never am... ;)

i was just kidding about that last part, before anybody comes and gets on my back.....

[scem0]

absolutely not.

There are many PC cases I like more than this.

Ugly ass cheese grater case. Oh well, I can live with it when you take the processor into consideration.

scem0

[jbomber]

Originally posted by Regular Joe
It's not so much the design I hate, but the freaking size of the damn thing... and 9 fans !??!? Holy crap.

I am quite worried when it comes to reliability as the case fills with dust and bearings in the fans fail. Hopefully someone will invent a nice black (or other colors, for that matter) replaceable filter that fits behind the grille.

With a case that tall, it is a crime not to have two optical drive bays. I really like the top view of it (as shown in the G5 intro video) spinning to the beat.




yeah. Why the hell is it so damn big if you cna't really add anything to it? And I don't care what ANYONE says, I KNOW Ive and his team forgot about the dust issue. The case design was a rush job. the Rev B will be sooo much better.

[Freg3000]

In fast, the plastic cover is required to be on the machine, or else it won't startup. If you remove the cover while the computer is on, it will automatically go to sleep, and it will not wake up until you put it back on.

[jzieske]

Originally posted by jbomber
I KNOW Ive and his team forgot about the dust issue. The case design was a rush job. the Rev B will be sooo much better.

I highly doubt that, Ives is a design genius with a team of picky engineers to please, not to mention Steve Jobs.

[ZildjianKX]

Originally posted by Wardofsky
But never judge a book by it's cover, this is one scream machine...

Spoken like a true PC-man :) If so many people are saying not to judge it for its outside, but for its inside, why do you guys constantly bash PCs for their looks? Countless posts about how ugly the 17" PC laptops are around.

Personally, I think the G5 is the ugliest tower I've seen in a long time, and my Shuttle "small-form factor" with aluminum casing is 10 times more stylish. Sad day when a PC is prettier than a mac.

[jbomber]

Originally posted by jzieske
I highly doubt that, Ives is a design genius with a team of picky engineers to please, not to mention Steve Jobs.

I'm telling you, the G5s will be dusty as hell. Ive is talented, but i can almost guarantee the inside of your new desktop will be a playground for dustbunnies.

[frozenstar]

Personally, I think the new case is an engineering marvel. They've taken something so complex and made it so simple.

I know this thread is about appearance, not engineering, but I think that in the case of the Power Mac G5, the appearance is a function of the engineering.



(I'm a minimalist, so I'm kinda biased about the design.)

[Doctor Q]

Originally posted by frozenstar
I think that in the case of the Power Mac G5, the appearance is a function of the engineering.Right.

I sometimes think Apple should focus its design efforts on the consumer machines, since they get most of the retail exposure, but then I change my mind because if we power users are paying top dollar for high end machines, we deserve Apple's best design efforts too.

[Wonder Boy]

I don't liked it. I've said that since WWDC.

[wdlove]

I have personally disliked the curent G4 model, the shiney acess doors annoy me. Very prone to finger prints!

[jbomber]

Originally posted by frozenstar



(I'm a minimalist, so I'm kinda biased about the design.)

Minimalist, schminimalist. Ugly is ugly. :D

[frozenstar]

Originally posted by jbomber
Minimalist, schminimalist. Ugly is ugly. :D

Haha.

As hard as I try to see why people think it's ugly, I can't help but love it. It's so smart and clean. I think it's one of their best designs ever!

[Pancake]

I just realized that I can't remember the last time I looked at my G4 400. It sits under my desk and I turn it on with my big toe(I'm a sandal wearer). When I think of "My Computer" I think of the GUI and the Apps I run, the "box" doesn't enter into it. If I moved all the componets into a different "box" it would still be the same computer. With what the insides are, I would buy a G5 if it came in a plain brown wrapper. That being said I did think my G4 looked pretty cool when I bought it.

[zimv20]

"appearance" can also mean "introduction."

so, yes, i'm glad it appeared on the scene. i also like the way it looks.

[Jerry Spoon]

The first thing I thought was that you could probably strain pasta through the front grate, but now I'm really liking it. My favorite part are the new handles that don't stick yout as much as the G4 and G3 models. I'm loving the metal too. For some reason, it takes on a bit of a retro look for me.

[SilvorX]

personally, i hate it more than like it, (not by much though), it doesnt have any space for an extra optical drive, and so many holes on the front...eek, i love the dual drives look more for the simplicity look, but having the ports on the front rules :)

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by SilvorX
personally, i hate it more than like it, (not by much though), it doesnt have any space for an extra optical drive sure it does. it's called an external FW800 drive ;)

frozenstar, i agree with you, the simplicity is gorgeous. i like the side, the top, the new handles, and the back. i don't really like the grille in the front much, but it's OK. we'll all get used to it and use it as our standard for good looks. or something.

[tazo]

i am sorta 50/50 on the pmac G5, it is too modern for me, with the aluminum perforated mmotif, but i think all the new tech makes up for it. ok i am too tired to be understandable. lol

[Bruja]

This one's a real looker and life for the PC user has just gotten a little more complicated :D

[edenwaith]

Originally posted by bigjohn

I know we all appreciate the Mac OS and the way it makes things easier, but if you could pay say $500 less and get the G5 in a standard ATX case wouldn't you do it?


I don't know. It depends. If I could hide the computer from sight and never have to get inside it, then perhaps. Otherwise, I might actually dole out the extra money for a nice case. One of my favorite features on my PowerMac is how the motherboard is attached to the side of the case which swings out, making it very simple to get in and add new RAM or another card. I'm not seeing that in the G5 PM. I'm looking at the pictures and trying to figure out where the RAM is supposed to go (up near the front?). It just doesn't look as easy to get into and upgrade as the G4 PM. That would be my biggest complaint about the G5. Otherwise, the innards look very clean. I even like the blue color of the motherboard, instead of the standard metallic green.

Another feature which I see as good and bad is only one drive. Personally I never saw the point of having two optical drives (past copying CDs, which may not be overly legal in its uses). Well, that and lazy attempts by other PC manufacturers to install a separate DVD drive and a CD-RW drive instead of a nice combo drive like Macs generally come with (why waste the space?). But I would be nice to see the return of the Zip drive in a Mac.

While space for 2 hard drives, isn't bad, it doesn't provide tons of growth, either. For myself, 2 is definitely enough, especially if both were 250 GB a piece. But I think that is more of my old PC self talking with 3 or 4 hard drives in a computer, running different OS's on each one, whereas my Mac has a maximum of 2 (and even OS 9 has been a very rare visitor to my computer).

All and all, the G5 PM looks like a screaming machine, decent looks, and I want one. But I need a good job and enough money before trying to sink myself into debt first. But I still like the looks of my Gigabit G4 PM the best, though.

[Doctor Q]

Face it. It's nice when your Mac's case is aesthetically pleasing. Maybe it makes you more relaxed and therefore lowers your blood pressure and raises your efficiency. But we all know that the main reason to have a cool-looking Mac is to make everyone else jealous. I just don't think this one does that. Maybe if they added some wings...

[jelloshotsrule]

i like the way it looks after some initial "hmmm. that's not very good looking"... i imagine it will only look better in person.

i think the original quicksilver is the best looking machine i've seen, but i think i'll live when swap out my dual 800 for a g5. hah

[BaghdadBob]

Originally posted by hvfsl
Macs still put form over function, if they did not Macs would look like Dell machines. I don't really like the G5 look, but it would not stop me from buying one. I think the best looking Mac of all time is the 15in PowerBook G4.
Uhhhh, before we all start throwing around the phrase "form over function" let's remember that it signifies form as being of primary concern, even at the expense of function -- NOT that form is merely considered to be important.

In This case, form clearly follows funtion, otherwise the front would look halfway presentable...at least more so than the nose of my truck.

[scem0]

I think apple could release anything and die-hard fans would still say they loved how it looks.

I agree jbomber.... Ugly is ugly.

I also think Zildjian (cmon man... make an easier name ;):p) makes an excellent point:

Spoken like a true PC-man If so many people are saying not to judge it for its outside, but for its inside, why do you guys constantly bash PCs for their looks? Countless posts about how ugly the 17" PC laptops are around.

I don't think an apple fanatic has the right to bash PC people for 'ugly cases'. That is just plain hypocritical... I don't see how anyone could think the G5s weren't ugly...

scem0

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by scem0
I don't see how anyone could think the G5s weren't ugly... well, nobody said you had to, eh? i mean, really, i agree that ugly is ugly. from some discussions i have had with you, you don't, actually. i've heard you rant about how everything aesthetic is relative. i disagree. but there is some beauty that is gray, perceptually ambiguous, if you will. there are women that everyone will admit are beautiful (unless they are trying to manipulate you/an argument), some that no one would call beautiful, and many that would cause much reasonable dispute.

i think the G5s cause reasonable dispute. i can see how you would dislike them, but i can't see how you couldn't see that i don't have to think so, reasonably.

[frozenstar]

Originally posted by scem0
I don't think an apple fanatic has the right to bash PC people for 'ugly cases'. That is just plain hypocritical... I don't see how anyone could think the G5s weren't ugly...

As Shadowfax already pointed out, being dogmatic about something that is clearly subjective is just irrational. If you don't think the aesthetic quality of the Power Mac G5 is subjective, then you need to supply facts to support your claim that it is, in fact, "objectively unappealing".

[szark]

Originally posted by edenwaith
One of my favorite features on my PowerMac is how the motherboard is attached to the side of the case which swings out, making it very simple to get in and add new RAM or another card. I'm not seeing that in the G5 PM. ... It just doesn't look as easy to get into and upgrade as the G4 PM. That would be my biggest complaint about the G5.

Unfortunately, it is not quite as easy to add RAM or PCI cards on the new systems as it was on the old systems, as you suspect. Access to the G5 components is more PC-like.

Originally posted by edenwaith
I'm looking at the pictures and trying to figure out where the RAM is supposed to go (up near the front?).

The RAM slots are at the front of the machine "underneath" the first set of processor fans. The fan unit simply pulls out (no screws, etc.) to allow you access to the memory slots.

Interesting fact: the machine goes into sleep mode automatically when the clear plastic inside cover is removed.

[jbomber]

the G5 is a technological marvel, but it is aesthetically unappealing.

If i could've gotton the same power in an original Quicksilver case, hell, even an original Sawtooh case, I'd have almost certainly ordered one the day of the unveiling.

The unveiling of the cheese grater gave me pause and I guess in a way I'm thankful. For a moment i wasn't swept up in that mac fervor that I'm so often a part of. The fact that the case was unattractive allowed me to deal with the situation objectively. I didn't "have to have it" as had been the case with so many of my macs before. I'll hold off on buying one until they update the case and simultaneously speed bump it.

I agree with Shadowfax that the machine lies in that mysterious gray area where it isn't universally adored or reviled, but I think that the case could have, and should have been as or more appealing than the ones that preceeded it.

Regardless of whether you like it or not, i think most people will agree that they weren't as hyped about the looks of the G5 as they had been for some of the other machines that apple has put out. Personally the first time i saw the blackbird G3 powerbooks, I knew I had to have one. No question.

[wdlove]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
well, nobody said you had to, eh? i mean, really, i agree that ugly is ugly. from some discussions i have had with you, you don't, actually. i've heard you rant about how everything aesthetic is relative. i disagree. but there is some beauty that is gray, perceptually ambiguous, if you will. there are women that everyone will admit are beautiful (unless they are trying to manipulate you/an argument), some that no one would call beautiful, and many that would cause much reasonable dispute.

i think the G5s cause reasonable dispute. i can see how you would dislike them, but i can't see how you couldn't see that i don't have to think so, reasonably.

Beauty of the G5 and women are very subjective. I think it is very reasonable for there to be disputes. For many the aesthetic value will change over time and tend to see greater beauty!

[scem0]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
well, nobody said you had to, eh? i mean, really, i agree that ugly is ugly. from some discussions i have had with you, you don't, actually. i've heard you rant about how everything aesthetic is relative. i disagree. but there is some beauty that is gray, perceptually ambiguous, if you will. there are women that everyone will admit are beautiful (unless they are trying to manipulate you/an argument), some that no one would call beautiful, and many that would cause much reasonable dispute.

i think the G5s cause reasonable dispute. i can see how you would dislike them, but i can't see how you couldn't see that i don't have to think so, reasonably.

how could you think that i could think that you thought you liked..... ummm nevermind.... okay, that joke wasn't funny.

But this is like asking whether Anna Nicole Smith is hot or not. Once again, ugly is ugly. I don't think it is disputable at all, I can't understand how someone could think it was disputable even.

At least it isn't annoying too.... ;)

scem0

[topicolo]

I like the elegant and clean look. It's better than the visual clutter that was starting to ruin the quicksilvers

[jbomber]

Originally posted by topicolo
I like the elegant and clean look. It's better than the visual clutter that was starting to ruin the quicksilvers

i'll agree that the 'oven doors' were odd as hell. not a good look. the smooth quicksilver however, was definitely a beautiful thing.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by scem0
But this is like asking whether Anna Nicole Smith is hot or not. Once again, ugly is ugly. I don't think it is disputable at all, I can't understand how someone could think it was disputable even. no, it's more like asking whether, say, julianne moore is hot. you're likely to get a wide variety of answers. you should stop reasoning it out (that's obviously not working for you) and start observing the different responses of people around here. sound's like you're the bigot this time :p

[Dont Hurt Me]

this is a no brainer, after cubes, imacs,and powermacs the g5 looks like s..t! yeah performance is jumping but style has been lost.

[Sayhey]

Love the look of the G5. Simple is best. Oh, and Julianne Moore is definitely hot.

[Dont Hurt Me]

Originally posted by scem0
I think apple could release anything and die-hard fans would still say they loved how it looks.

I agree jbomber.... Ugly is ugly.

I also think Zildjian (cmon man... make an easier name ;):p) makes an excellent point:



I don't think an apple fanatic has the right to bash PC people for 'ugly cases'. That is just plain hypocritical... I don't see how anyone could think the G5s weren't ugly...

scem0 hey scemo i, how you been? i agree with you a 100 per cent. i had seen some concepts,idea's that blow away the current g5. you can still take a top notch cpu and put it in an attractive case design, if that new machine had performance and style i would have ordered one but since they went ugly as hell i decided might as well upgrade that quicksilver. the imac/emac could be fantastic if they would only get rid of those ****ty video cards they are using. the consumer machines have so much potential but apple just keeps screwing them with crappy video cards.

[Eniregnat]

I agree with those that think it looks like a high end rack mounted audio equipment from the late 50's and 60's (Mostly the European stuff). It has a very elegant appearance, and oddly I think that it will fit any decor.

[Dont Hurt Me]

it does look like it came out of the 6o's sure as heck does not look like the year 2001 or better....

[jbomber]

Originally posted by Sayhey
Love the look of the G5. Simple is best. Oh, and Julianne Moore is definitely hot.

figures....

:)

[frozenstar]

It seems that those of you who don't like the appearance of the new Power Macs tend to state your opinions as facts.

On the other hand, those of you who do like the appearance of the new Power Macs tend to state your opinions as opinions, usually by proceeding your statements with "I think..." or "The way I see it..." or "In my eyes...".

This observation is obviously very generalized and does not apply to everyone. It is not meant as an attack on any one individual, so please don't interpret it that way.

I'm not sure why this pattern emerged. Perhaps there is a link between open-mindedness and good artistic taste. :D

[jbomber]

Originally posted by frozenstar
It seems that those of you who don't like the appearance of the new Power Macs tend to state your opinions as facts.

On the other hand, those of you who do like the appearance of the new Power Macs tend to state your opinions as opinions, usually by proceeding your statements with "I think..." or "The way I see it..." or "In my eyes...".

This observation is obviously very generalized and does not apply to everyone. It is not meant as an attack on any one individual, so please don't interpret it that way.

I'm not sure why this pattern emerged. Perhaps there is a link between open-mindedness and good artistic taste. :D

Or maybe you're just wrong. :D

[Dont Hurt Me]

perhaps the g5 looks like crap, performance maybe another mattter but when you have less then 10 per cent of the market you need both. After being the style king to go to 60's radiator look just sucked. so many bettter looking and practicle idea's. Apple is just another beuracracy shoving the crap down our throat. the g5 may be great in years to come but who can afford 3 grand plus for a new system???

[jbomber]

can we all agree that it's hands-down the best looking radiator we've ever seen?

quite stunning in that context...

[Eniregnat]

Ok, and that actually may be the case. (Puns intended.)
The mettle body should help conduct heat away from the air stream and act an additional way of radiating heat away from the unit. At least those that don't care about the warranty can anodize or powder coat it.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by jbomber
Or maybe you're just wrong. :D word, some people on this forum are just classically awesome at proving people's points unwittingly :p

[BaghdadBob]

Originally posted by wdlove
Beauty of the G5 and women are very subjective. I think it is very reasonable for there to be disputes. For many the aesthetic value will change over time and tend to see greater beauty!
I agree, there are very few women on earth you could get every man to agree is beautiful. And then what about the lesbians? Their opinion counts too. And there are women that most would find ugly but some would find irresistable, and you couldn't even have a debate about it, it would just be different tastes.

That said, I'm waiting until I see it in person. Apple's representation of it in most of their promo material shows it from more "geometric" and less "artistic" angles. Personally, I love bare metal, and it may be that as soon as I can see it and touch it my ambivilance will be washed away. I quite simply don't think it is undeniably ugly.

Let's look at the practical spects of this look -- we all know it is designed to get more cooling with half the noise. Done (we think). We can probably assume it was designed to make the cases less expensive, so they can sell them at the mark down from high end we had all been hoping for. Done.

And remember ipod-"I'm an idiot"-only? He kept referring to the "cute cases" and so forth, and acting like the machine was a toy because it looked so goddamned good (which they did...when I had a chance to touch a QS G4 I realized how much more beautiful it is in person). Presumably Apple wanted to go for a look that was unique, but also minimally practical, to make a statement that with the G5s, it's function over form (if you thought the opposite used to be true just because they looked good). Done.

No one's going to call the G5s pretty little toys ;)

[jbomber]

Originally posted by BaghdadBob

No one's going to call the G5s pretty little toys ;)


Pretty little radiators, maybe...

[wdlove]

Does anyone know if they are available for viewing at an Apple Store yet? I'm excited for a touch and feel session!

[BaghdadBob]

Sounds like a personal problem wdlove :p

Not last time I was there. I don't think they'll be in until they are available.

[Doctor Q]

They are not in Apple Stores yet. One of the Apple employees at the Santa Monica store grand opening last night told me she was disappointed that they didn't have them yet. I'm sure all the stores will get them at the same time.

[themadchemist]

I like it now. The first pictures I saw were horrible, but put this baby in the right light and photograph it with the right resolution, and you have a winner! The side of the case, esp., made me rethink my first opinion of the outside of the case. And of course, the inside is great and very clean, as has been said before.

On the other hand, I still hate the iMac design and its 5 colors. The only thing I DO like about the original iMacs is the $$revenue$$ it brought Apple. Man, there's a sucker born everyday, and several million during that period. Never really understood what people saw in those machines.

But the G5, I understand. It is a change, and we all want to see it in first, I think, before making a final judgement, both on looks and performance. But it's promising.

[themadchemist]

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
perhaps the g5 looks like crap, performance maybe another mattter but when you have less then 10 per cent of the market you need both. After being the style king to go to 60's radiator look just sucked. so many bettter looking and practicle idea's. Apple is just another beuracracy shoving the crap down our throat. the g5 may be great in years to come but who can afford 3 grand plus for a new system???

You hit on the real problem. We don't need beauty as much as we need a lower price. In the end, that's what moves merchandise.

But on the looks aspect, I don't think it looks bad, I'm not sure that it's brilliant, but I do think it will make a statement...And if that gets people to turn their heads, then that's great. Apple sucks so much at marketing that it at least has to design products different enough to get 3rd party mainstream publicity. That's not going to happen when we get a processor with a 90 micron process, but it just might happen through new and unique, if not ingenious, industrial design.

[themadchemist]

Originally posted by Eniregnat
I agree with those that think it looks like a high end rack mounted audio equipment from the late 50's and 60's (Mostly the European stuff). It has a very elegant appearance, and oddly I think that it will fit any decor.

Perhaps the greatest contribution of Apple to the computing industry is neither the personal computer nor SCSI nor FireWire nor RISC-processor use.

PERHAPS THE GREATEST CONTRIBUTION OF APPLE TO THE COMPUTING INDUSTRY IS THE NEW TREND OF SELECTING A COMPUTER BASED ON THE SHADE OF YOUR WALL PAINT OR THE COLOR OF YOUR SOFA!

just a thought...:cool:

[Doctor Q]

It wasn't just sofas. After the fruit-flavored iMacs started appearing in stores and on billboards and other ads, it seemed that every gadget started coming in those same colors. Toasters and other kitchen appliances, CD players, cell phones, you name it. It was quite a fad, and a great marketing choice by Apple. Not only did it get them a lot of attention and publicity but, after the fad wore off, those fruit iMacs started to look non-trendy, so the owners had to buy new Macs to keep up with the fashions!

[BaghdadBob]

Do you think it will be too obvious this time if the PC industry starts using bare metal on their cases?

Nah.

[themadchemist]

Originally posted by Doctor Q
It wasn't just sofas. After the fruit-flavored iMacs started appearing in stores and on billboards and other ads, it seemed that every gadget started coming in those same colors. Toasters and other kitchen appliances, CD players, cell phones, you name it. It was quite a fad, and a great marketing choice by Apple. Not only did it get them a lot of attention and publicity but, after the fad wore off, those fruit iMacs started to look non-trendy, so the owners had to buy new Macs to keep up with the fashions!

HAHA! So true! But if I put a G5 in my bedroom, does that mean I'm going to need an aluminum mattress, too?:D

[scem0]

Originally posted by themadchemist
HAHA! So true! But if I put a G5 in my bedroom, does that mean I'm going to need an aluminum mattress, too?:D

As long as you don't cut yourself on the 'stylish' cheese-grater frame.

Let's hope apple is paying close attention to the comments the people are making on the cases and tried to update them as soon as possible.

scem0

[frozenstar]

Originally posted by scem0
Let's hope apple is paying close attention to the comments the people are making on the cases and tried to update them as soon as possible.

72% of respondents voted that they like the appearance of the new Power Mac G5.

Apple can't please everyone, but at least they can please the majority. Don't expect drastic changes to the case anytime soon.

[wdlove]

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
hey scemo i, how you been? i agree with you a 100 per cent. i had seen some concepts,idea's that blow away the current g5. you can still take a top notch cpu and put it in an attractive case design, if that new machine had performance and style i would have ordered one but since they went ugly as hell i decided might as well upgrade that quicksilver. the imac/emac could be fantastic if they would only get rid of those ****ty video cards they are using. the consumer machines have so much potential but apple just keeps screwing them with crappy video cards.

Do you have some pictures of those concept designs?

As ask by some others regarding a change in this design. Do you think that Rev B could offer a design change when available in February?

[jbomber]

Originally posted by wdlove
Do you have some pictures of those concept designs?

As ask by some others regarding a change in this design. Do you think that Rev B could offer a design change when available in February?

I think there would have to be a design change in february. for one thing, Apple will have figured out that dust is a very real issue for real users who aren't testing machines in static-proof 'clean rooms'. Introducing the iFilter...

Another thing is that the front of the machine is not attractive and should definitely be made more pleasing to the consumer public. I think once Ive has a little more time to refine the design, it will hold together a lot more smoothly than the current one.

Finally, tho I doubt this will be changed for the Rev b, the machine is too damn big! Why the hell is it sooo much bigger than the G4 if you can't even use the space for expandability?? (read: 2nd optical drive)

[Doctor Q]

Originally posted by jbomber
Why the hell is it sooo much bigger than the G4 if you can't even use the space for expandability??For heat control and to accommodate all those fans? Just a guess.

[scem0]

Originally posted by frozenstar
72% of respondents voted that they like the appearance of the new Power Mac G5.

Apple can't please everyone, but at least they can please the majority. Don't expect drastic changes to the case anytime soon.

Knowing apple... I'm not. :rolleyes:

But I don't think this poll is accurate. If we did the same poll on geek.com, /., or some non mac-centric site, I think the results would definitely not be in favor of the G5.

I think steve jobs could take a **** and stick a G5 chip in it and the mac community would 'like it's appearance'.

There has been an uproar of unbiggoted people (Im not accusing anyone of biggotry) saying they do not like the appearance of the G5. I hope apple takes those opinions into account rather than those of the people who would vote 'yes' for anything made by apple.

scem0

[frozenstar]

Originally posted by scem0
Knowing apple... I'm not. :rolleyes:

But I don't think this poll is accurate. If we did the same poll on geek.com, /., or some non mac-centric site, I think the results would definitely not be in favor of the G5.

I think steve jobs could take a **** and stick a G5 chip in it and the mac community would 'like it's appearance'.

There has been an uproar of unbiggoted people (Im not accusing anyone of biggotry) saying they do not like the appearance of the G5. I hope apple takes those opinions into account rather than those of the people who would vote 'yes' for anything made by apple.

scem0

Your point is valid. I agree that the results of this poll are inaccurate. Perhaps we should try to get it posted to Slashot...

[BaghdadBob]

I don't think any poll on a PC-heavy site is going to say they like the look of a machine that may be faster than their PCs.

I'm unbiggoted, and I kinda like the cases, and expecting to like them more when I see them in person. I count as more than a "yes" vote, and just because those who voted "yes" didn't all chime in with their reasons doesn't make their opinion any less valid.

It needs some embellishment, but for the first generation of G5s I have my reasons for thinking it's appropriate (stated).

[jbomber]

Originally posted by frozenstar
Your point is valid. I agree that the results of this poll are inaccurate. Perhaps we should try to get it posted to Slashot...

Yeah good idea. I'm an apple fan through and through, but i can't accept those numbers. we need a larger forum for this poll. it'll even out the extremists.

[frozenstar]

Apparently, Slashdot already posted a similar poll. It includes the usual distribution of irrelevant options, but the numbers still appeared to be highest for those that felt positively about the new Power Mac G5.

http://slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl?qid=975&aid=-1

[BaghdadBob]

Gee, I was semi-wrong. Even the slashdotters didn't viciously out-vote it.

Once again, being louderer != being in the majority. There is such a good quote about that somewhere and I can never seem to find it.

[scem0]

Originally posted by frozenstar
Apparently, Slashdot already posted a similar poll. It includes the usual distribution of irrelevant options, but the numbers still appeared to be highest for those that felt positively about the new Power Mac G5.

http://slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl?qid=975&aid=-1

lol this is a funny option:

If only it had a decent processor like the Pentium-4

:rolleyes: :p ;)

I would rather it had been exactly like this poll - yes or no.

[Dahl]

Why is Slashdot so bad looking, the site loadtime is too long and the site design stinks.

[wdlove]

I didn't realize that the G5 case was larger than the G4 until it was mentioned by jbomber. The reason of the fans given by Doctor Q sounds correct. Another thought I had also having to do with the G5 chip itself. I'm not sure if I saw correctly or not, but the G5 chip appeared to be a large round gold color disk. Going by the references for size if this disk, it seems that it would take up a large portion of the case. Does anyone know about the size?

[jbomber]

Originally posted by wdlove
I didn't realize that the G5 case was larger than the G4 until it was mentioned by jbomber. The reason of the fans given by Doctor Q sounds correct. Another thought I had also having to do with the G5 chip itself. I'm not sure if I saw correctly or not, but the G5 chip appeared to be a large round gold color disk. Going by the references for size if this disk, it seems that it would take up a large portion of the case. Does anyone know about the size?


yeah, the fans make perfect sense, but it's still a little surprising how much space there is in there. i'd settle for a little noise in exchange for a reasonably sized machine...

[Pete_Hoover]

I like the design, but I would still like a SFF G5 mac.

[wdlove]

Originally posted by Pete_Hoover
I like the design, but I would still like a SFF G5 mac.

What is a SFF G5 mac?