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anirban
Jun 17, 2007, 11:46 AM
Hello all!

I am a PC user, but I recently placed an order for an MBP, which will hopefully be delivered by Tuesday. So I have been hanging out with a couple of my friends who use apple computers, and whenever I have to refer to an apple machine, I always say "Macintosh" instead of "Mac" (call me oldfashioned). For example: "I just ordered a macintosh machine".

My friends have been telling me that "Macintosh" no longer exists, it has been replaced with "Mac". Using "Macintosh" is totally wrong- I should always use "Mac".

I am sorry for bringing up this superfluous post, but I just want to get a quick clarification on if "Macintosh" has been erased from the books, and replaced by "Mac". I have a feeling that my friends are misinformed.

Blue Velvet
Jun 17, 2007, 11:49 AM
I have never heard anyone in real life or on this board referring to 'Macintosh'... think that went out with flares, somehow.

Mac. The Mac. Getting a Mac. Great year for the Mac... what does Steve Jobs say? What do their ads say?

bartelby
Jun 17, 2007, 11:52 AM
I'm stuck in the 90s and will often refer to them as a Macintosh.:o But I'll type Mac, as it's shorter.:)

yippy
Jun 17, 2007, 12:00 PM
Mac is simply short for Macintosh. Now the names of specific products it matters (example: Macintosh Mini would be incorrect) but Macintosh is still correct to use to refer to Apple's whole line of computers.

psycoswimmer
Jun 17, 2007, 12:08 PM
Mac is simply short for Macintosh. Now the names of specific products it matters (example: Macintosh Mini would be incorrect) but Macintosh is still correct to use to refer to Apple's whole line of computers.

I never hear Macintosh anymore, really. Mac is the new word.

I have an iMac, not an iMacintosh. :p

plinden
Jun 17, 2007, 12:28 PM
"Macintosh" is almost gone from the Apple website. I just did a search and although there were 3080 links returned, it seems most don't actually have "macintosh" visible any where on the page (not even hidden in the source) and many of those that did have it mentioned were old fossil pages.

AdeFowler
Jun 17, 2007, 12:29 PM
Very few people refer to the Macintosh these days. To be safe, say Mac from now on ;)

dpaanlka
Jun 17, 2007, 01:08 PM
You're all forgetting one major thing:

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Oh, and here it is in Leopard:

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Every new computer that Apple ships comes with a reference to "Macintosh" right on the desktop. And apparently, it will continue to be this way in Leopard.

In speech, it really doesn't matter what you say. The names are interchangeable. Mac is short for Macintosh. Nobody calls me Daniel but that is my name. I still often (but not always) say Macintosh when referring abstractly to the platform itself just because I'm used to saying that:

I just got a new Macintosh.

When I'm referring to a plural amount of Macintosh computers, it usually just comes out shortened:

There were a lot of Macs in that lab!

Obviously when referring to actual product names, it's whatever the official name is:

I just got a Mac Pro, and my friend just got an iMac.

dpaanlka
Jun 17, 2007, 01:21 PM
Here is one of the many references to "Macintosh" in the Mac Help system:

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Golly, here's 3 references in the most basic Mac Help document of all, About the Mac OS:

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It seems that all the references are in the same fashion as I described in the post above: it is most proper to say "Macintosh" when referring to the platform.

rockthecasbah
Jun 17, 2007, 04:56 PM
It hasn't been replaced as the members above have posted still existing images of the phrase, though most people and much of Apple's written information about their computers will refer to it as "Mac." Personally, it's just easier saying Mac and i always called it that even from the early 90s when my mom bought her first Mac, so i stick with it :)

Queso
Jun 17, 2007, 05:02 PM
From my experience it changed when Apple started calling the OS MacOS and came out with the PowerMac brand. Early-ish 90s. Prior to that it was always "I have a Macintosh LC" or similar. At least how I remember it.

yagran
Jun 17, 2007, 05:47 PM
Bill gates says Macintosh, Stevie says Mac.

i hate the web gates says macintosh, his funny nerdy voice :P

mkrishnan
Jun 17, 2007, 05:51 PM
Naw, it's cool, it's retro. You should get an SE30 and put it on your desk and go find your friend and say, excitedly, "My Macintosh is here!!!" :)

notsofatjames
Jun 17, 2007, 05:56 PM
Golly, here's 3 references in the most basic Mac Help document of all, About the Mac OS:

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But... the title of the article is Mac. Explain that one!! :p

dpaanlka
Jun 17, 2007, 07:03 PM
But... the title of the article is Mac. Explain that one!! :p

Well "Mac OS" is the official name of the product, just as "Mac Mini" and "Mac Pro" are the official product names of those products. It's not "the Mac's OS" but the "Mac OS."

It seems that "Mac" and "Macintosh" have been interchanged freely since the first Macintosh came out, spawning "Macworld" magazine and such.

I still consider "Macintosh" to mean the platform itself, and find myself saying it all the time. I actually think it sounds cooler.

Early-ish 90s. Prior to that it was always "I have a Macintosh LC" or similar. At least how I remember it.

"Power Macintosh" was printed on the machines and all related materials all the way up through the early G4s. Here is the 8600/200 that sits next to my Mac Pro:

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In this Blue & White G3 commercial the announcer says "Macintosh" and not Mac:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ioGmIY-Xh0

And in this early G4 commercial "Macintosh" is also used:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQJvFUmDE-Y

But by this G5 commercial "Mac" was the preferred nomenclature:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iDbHeuRACU

So sometime between 2000 and 2003 the product names began switching over to "Mac" although plenty of "Macintosh" references still exist even in current Macs as we've seen.

GhostPhase310
Jun 21, 2007, 05:44 PM
all i can say is that i love my MacBook. best purchase of the year.
it is so much easier to use than normal pc's

dpaanlka
Jun 21, 2007, 06:06 PM
all i can say is that i love my MacBook. best purchase of the year.
it is so much easier to use than normal pc's

Hmm intriguing.

Luis
Jun 21, 2007, 07:10 PM
all i can say is that i love my MacBook. best purchase of the year.
it is so much easier to use than normal pc's

You know, that really helps us solve the whole Mac-Macintosh name issue! Thanks!

Masquerade
Jun 21, 2007, 09:17 PM
Macintosh is often used to establish difference between personal computers and personal computers from apple... not a single mac today.

Lixivial
Jun 21, 2007, 10:19 PM
I have a feeling that my friends are misinformed.

I have a feeling your friends are not only wrong, but also patently anal retentive about something incredibly trivial. I use Macintosh in reference to everything except proper product names. But really, it doesn't even matter.

I just did a search and although there were 3080 links returned, it seems most don't actually have "macintosh" visible any where on the page (not even hidden in the source) and many of those that did have it mentioned were old fossil pages.

Aside from having the old layout -- its content is up to date -- does http://guide.apple.com refer to an old fossil page? ;)

Macintosh is still used a lot of times in the minimum reqs of programs; heck even Mac OS X (http://www.apple.com/macosx/techspecs/)'s page references Macintosh computers. It also seems there are certain groups that mention "Macintosh" more than others -- it seems the networking (http://www.apple.com/business/mac_pc/networking.html), science, education (http://www.apple.com/education/whyapple/interoperable.html) stuff gets more mention. And it's usually when referencing the platform as a whole, as dpaanlka pointed out. So, as with all the other evidence/background dpaanlka provided, it's quite apparent that "Macintosh" is still an appropriate term for Apple's computers.

dmw007
Jun 21, 2007, 10:30 PM
I use Mac/Macintosh interchangeably. Either one is correct in my book. :) :apple:

Maui
Jun 22, 2007, 11:42 PM
Just say "I have an Apple."

(and never MAC, as I have found out the hard way)

dpaanlka
Jun 23, 2007, 02:12 AM
Just say "I have an Apple."

(and never MAC, as I have found out the hard way)

Well technically, we all have Media Access Control addresses, so you'd be correct in saying that.

MacsRgr8
Jun 26, 2007, 03:13 PM
Like saying: who says: "Macintosh Operating System 10, version ten dot four dot ten"

Nah, we say: "Mac OS 10.4.10" :D

Mr Fusion
Jun 26, 2007, 07:29 PM
Mac. The Mac. Getting a Mac. Great year for the Mac... what does Steve Jobs say? What do their ads say?
Once you go Mac you don't go back. :apple:

iMeowbot
Jun 26, 2007, 07:43 PM
"Macintosh" is almost gone from the Apple website. I just did a search and although there were 3080 links returned, it seems most don't actually have "macintosh" visible any where on the page (not even hidden in the source) and many of those that did have it mentioned were old fossil pages.
Yes, they have definitely gone with "Mac" as the preferred name since years ago. Mentions of the older name will continue to be sprinkled around because that is necessary for trademark protection.

dpaanlka
Jun 26, 2007, 10:37 PM
Once you go Mac you don't go back. :apple:

We all concluded quite irrefutably that "Macintosh" still has a place, with explanations and examples given. Obviously somebody didn't read past the second post. :rolleyes: