Powerbooks?

[jermsmingy]

My guess is that we didn't see the new TiBooks at Tokyo because they will come out in april or may with built in bluetooth. What do you guys think? I sold my computer and have been waiting to buy a new TiBook but didn't want to buy and something new come out next week. Anyway, my sister just got a new iMac and I think that I might get one of these instead, but I really want them to come out with new TiBooks.

[Mr. Anderson]

Placing a bet on when the next version of the ti becomes available leaves the odds in someone elses favor. A good sign of change is if they try to 'get rid' of older models before the new ones come out. If you see a special on the Ti powerbook at the Apple Store or online, I would wait. But nothing is happening now and it might not happen till MacWorld NY.

[AmbitiousLemon]

well im not going to say to wait becuase it is quite likley that you will be waiting until mwny which may be too far off for you, but there IS a lot going on with the powerbooks right now. apple is practically giving them away to their employees. refurbs are available through apple and thrid party vendors are throwing in everything but the kitchen sink in order to get rid of em. lots is happening. so if you buy now it should mean a deal for you. if you wait you might get lucky. so i would say depends on if you can afford to wait until july. if you are cool waiting that long then you might be pleasantly suprised with something earlier and something better.

[Hemingray]

If you're going to bet at all, I'd say MWNY. There's a lot of stuff that points to it being a big event with lots of converging upgrades, like all the planets aligning. :D PowerBook, iBook, PowerMac, and iMac could all easily be upgraded, not to mention a revised line of Studio Displays, and maybe some bluetooth? And maybe the all-encompasing "mystery" item. It could turn out to be a very interesting event.

[Gelfin]

Originally posted by jermsmingy
My guess is that we didn't see the new TiBooks at Tokyo because they will come out in april or may with built in bluetooth.

My guess is that we didn't see new TiBooks at Tokyo because they JUST friggin' updated them. 667s are five months old. 667s with combo drives are almost three months old. Seriously, how frequently do you expect them to update anyway?

We might see PowerBooks at MWNY. July is right at the 9-month point that seems to be Apple's typical product refresh rate, assuming you regard the combo drive models to be not so much a new release as finally adding the drive it should have had in October (I, for one, do see it that way).

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by Hemingray
If you're going to bet at all, I'd say MWNY. There's a lot of stuff that points to it being a big event with lots of converging upgrades, like all the planets aligning.

As you can see in the pic below, unfortunately the planets won't really be aligning for MWNY, but maybe Apple's four sectors will. The image was generated from Starry Night Pro on my TiPB. Pluto is off to the right, part of the large red triangle going off screen. Mercury in close to the sun, facing towards the screen.


http://www.dukestreet.com/alignment1.gif

[Grokgod]

I for one am very PO at the fact that there were NO power book upgrades or speed bumps.

Why:? Because I find it ridiculous that the high end powerbook is wasting away at 667 with a chip that you can bake a pie on!

This is a horrible error on the part of Apple.

yea 3 months ago there was a combo upgrade. That was a combo not a chip speed bump.

The Ti's needed that bump and anyone that doesnt think so doesnt know anything about computers, and i mean that. This is not emotion speaking.

They have the newer chips but for reasons that Ithink are obvious and ugly.
They choose to try to milk out some more from a overheated painfully slow machine.

I swear that the Dell is looking better everyday, i used to think that Jobs was damn smart, now i think that Dell has paid him off to destroy Apple.

Yes, i really do think that, i accept all flames and tirades to turn me away from my current anger because I was one of the most PRO apple guys you could met. but i hear the dark side calling me!

[krossfyter]

im with gelfin on this one. they just updated them...etc...etc. so no one should be surprised that there werent any tibooks at tokyo.


dig it!

[jermsmingy]

Hey Guys do you remember after MWSF that everyone was outraged that no new powermacs came out. Then we all read the article about how apple was going to try to update their products every 5 months and stagger the release dates so to keep their name floatin around. The TiBooks have been out for 5 months. Dell does not look better because after I sold my computer I used a Dell for three days and it crashed everyday. Anyway, my point is the powerbook is overpriced right now. The TiBook has always been better than the iMac and now it is not at all. That is why I think that they need to update it soon. Apple Rules!

[trilogic]

Originally posted by Grokgod
I swear that the Dell is looking better everyday, i used to think that Jobs was damn smart, now i think that Dell has paid him off to destroy Apple.

Yes, i really do think that, i accept all flames and tirades to turn me away from my current anger because I was one of the most PRO apple guys you could met. but i hear the dark side calling me!

this is the most stupid thing I ever read in a forum.

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by jermsmingy
Hey Guys do you remember after MWSF that everyone was outraged that no new powermacs came out. Then we all read the article about how apple was going to try to update their products every 5 months and stagger the release dates so to keep their name floatin around. The TiBooks have been out for 5 months. Dell does not look better because after I sold my computer I used a Dell for three days and it crashed everyday. Anyway, my point is the powerbook is overpriced right now. The TiBook has always been better than the iMac and now it is not at all. That is why I think that they need to update it soon. Apple Rules!


Dude, the rev b tibooks still kick the new imacs arse. *cough*speedbus*cough**cough*speedbus*cough**cough*speedbus*cough**cough*speedbus*cough**cough*speed bus*cough**cough*speedbus*cough**cough*speedbus*cough*

[Grokgod]

Actually ,TRilogic < i think that the most stupid thing I have ever read in a forum was your response. Claiming that what i posted was stupid without giving a reason. If what I said was too stupid to respond to then why did you bother.
Merely to point out how stupid it was without givinga clue, as to why.

Kinda like Jobs thinking that everyone drives cadillacs and that other cars are not for the elite. this kind of elitist dialogue is what will destroy Apple just as it almost did in the past. And made the PC the dominant platform.

The powerbook is incredbly overpriced, yet Jobs thinks that its of no consequence that money has little value to the masses that buy computers.
Or that the elite that buy Apple, have money to burn. as if the few elite on this earth will float an egotistical company. There are only so many wanna be actors in hollywood that buy apple to remain trendy to balance out the masses of common man that buy fords and hondas.

I realize that my stance may be aggressive, but this is my opinion.

I think that Apple has a great ability to shoot itself in the foot.

This is a big bullet!

[krossfyter]

grokgod... i understand your frustration...but apple made the "i" line ....ibooks and imac...etc. etc... for those who cant afford the powerline....generally. so they are trying thier best to give everyone an oppurtunity to have a mac....while still remain with a high profit margin and continue with quality computers as oppose to the low priced pc but crappy quality.

[trilogic]

Grokgod
you got your points in what your saying about the TiBook etc. but that dell is paying s. jobs to destroy apple is a stupid thing to say.

[rEd Eye]

I tend to agree with grokgod...........:D

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Also I cannot help[ but comment on this.....

"Dell does not look better because after I sold my computer I used a Dell for three days and it crashed everyday"

So what does that prove?My mac crashes everyday too.At LEAST once a day!
And this is on a fine tuned system.My finder loves to crash,usually for no apparent reason.Otherwise it's often flakey mac software like IE 5.1,or me experimenting with some shareware VST plugin,but usually it seems as though it crashes because I did not wait long enough for the last mouseclick to finish doing what it was doing.......I think memory and address errors tend to be my most common problem......,although there seems to be some cache (2mb per chip)related problems too?
No blue screen of death on my mac though,just the frigid screen of uslessness!---->=reset.

[Hemingray]

Originally posted by dukestreet


As you can see in the pic below, unfortunately the planets won't really be aligning for MWNY, but maybe Apple's four sectors will. The image was generated from Starry Night Pro on my TiPB. Pluto is off to the right, part of the large red triangle going off screen. Mercury in close to the sun, facing towards the screen.

That was only an analogy... :p

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by Hemingray


That was only an analogy... :p

duh!:rolleyes:

but it would have been really freaky if the planets happened to be aligned for MWNY....

[Grokgod]

My statement about Dell and Jobs was to illustrate my point. The recent events that Apple has perpetrated, as they have proceded to maim themselves. Destroying some of the most vaulable opportunities to come their way in years is SO inexplicable to me that I can find no other reasoning but the bizarre explanation that Jobs and Dell and a Horse are in bed performing circus acts for the Pigalle street porno houses in Paris.

Another illustration of this behavior and feel free to correct me.
Is that Apple has raised the prices on the highest end powermac to
$4099.00. Their reasoning is a 200% price increase on ram.
How gullible do they think we are, we all know the actual prices on the old pc133 ram, numerous Pc manufacturers are building low end units with Pc133 ram in it for children that need a computer for school and childrens games!
Not to mention that they surely have stock piled or locked ram prices.

I feel as thou I am being disrespected by Apple and treated as though I was
an idiot! Now maybe I am a fool, but I certainly dont enjoy being called one and paying for the humiliation!

This is what is making Dell seem better, the respectability and customer
dignity. I feel like i am being treated as though I was addicted to an item that the seller was abusing me. Because He can get away with it.

Red eye< makes a fine point and I agree, when i use Final Cut or Maya.
Oh boy its freeze city. Or its the freaking click and wait on my imac!
Its the cpu :Osx performace ratio that NEeds to be addressed.

THe fridig screen of uselessness, So well said!
Whats better Fridig uselessness or bluescreens.
I think the one that raped me less and laughed about it in my face.

Krossfyter< I see what your saying. yet. It strains my heart to see the powerbook fall behind and become a joke. I have worked on Mac for a long time and have fought against Pc's in my work to remain loyal and true to the Mac's abilitites.
Sadly it seems to me that dispite its recent advances in design, its disgusting philosophy in treating its customers is manipulating its decisions in hardware.

I believe that the only reason that the new Ti chip bumps were not brought out was to manipulate customers into buying the 667. At a time when it was obvious that market share and customer satisfaction were of paramount importance!

Another example was when Apple emailed me, telling me that I can cancell
my imac at any time. This was a mere day before it was shipped.
Never have I had a computer company ask me to cancel my purchase with such ego. I was dumbfounded!

This may well be the final Style vs Substance issue that will lay Mac's to rest.
I question Apple's integrity and my belief in it was one of the major reasons that I was commited to mac's.

[msykes]

Originally posted by Grokgod

Another illustration of this behavior and feel free to correct me.
Is that Apple has raised the prices on the highest end powermac to
$4099.00. Their reasoning is a 200% price increase on ram.


Ummm, you do realize that this computer comes with 1.5 gigs of RAM, 2 80 gig hard drives, and a GeForce4 TITANIUM, right? Their standard dual 1GHz model is still 2999...

msykes

[Grokgod]

Yes, I do realize the specifications. My contention was the fact that it has been raised from the price that it was a mere day ago by $300. if i recall correctly.
And that, i do not think that Pc133 ram justifies that price increase.
It had the same specs previously. I shutter to think what will happen to
prices when Apple finally instigates the 2 year old technology of DDR ram!
Oh thats when jobs realizes that high end cars have decent state of the art engines.
can you imagine a mercedes with a old single barrel carb from an model ford.
Is Jobs drinking booze, smokin ganga, shooting something?

[gelbin]

1) it is incredibly frustrating that nothing was speed bumped. maybe that is being a greedy consumer, but damn, apple's entire line is really starting to get slow, the only thing that they have saving them is dual processors, they are still pretty slow. and when i run osx - my main operating system on my powerbook g3 bronze (or whatever - 400 mhz) it is painfully slow if i want to do anything more than take notes. my g4 450 is better, but even a dp 800 does not fly.

2) dells, however, are pieces of absolute ass. anyone 'threatening' to buy one, especially a laptop, has mastered shooting ones self in the foot. let me just suggest you get the 3 year coverage because they will be replacing just about every part at least once before your first year is up, or at least that is what has happened to the great majority of people at my school where dell was the recommended system.

[Grokgod]

I think that you are correct in saying that buying a dell may be a self defeating prophecy! And that their models are prone to problems.

Yet is the only alterative a painfully slow Ti 667 with a boiling cpu and a screen, that is designed to be destroyed by finger oil from a keyboard designed to penetrate it>?
Oh lets not leave out the incredible expense of a blistering 4200 rpm HD.

I am thinking that a PC laptop like a Tosiba with Litestep installed to cover up the ugly Windoze! :)

[gelbin]

one more thing:

i am not saying i am not frustrated. i am. i mean, i want to buy a new tower but really am just not impressed with the dual gigs enough that it warrants 3grand. i mean, i think if this were an os9 world, they would rock. but osx takes you back a few steps in terms of speed. and if i am shelling out that kind of money, i want something that feels really really fast. that said, jumping ship each time your platform lags behind a bit is really self-defeating. you will end up spending more in the long run hopping from platform to platform and when the new apple laptops come out with better design, better usability, a stable OS, and (hopefully) superior speed...you will want back in.

give it some time....

also, about crashing - my g3 laptop, though slow with osx, rarely -if ever- crashes. one thing i CAN say for osx is that what you gave up in speed, you get in stability (or at least some of it).

[Gelfin]

Originally posted by Grokgod
Yet is the only alterative a painfully slow Ti 667

I dunno, I thought I was just a little sore from the gym, but I guess it must be my TiBook.

What exactly are you doing with the 667 that seems slow anyway?

[DannyZR2]

Feel like selling it to me??? I would love a G4 667 for my new DV camera! My G3500 Pismo (still waiting for upgrades) needs that extra altivec!!!

so, what d'ya say?? the way you talk.. it sounds like you'd take $500 for it!

I can do that!

[Mr. Anderson]

I work in an office where I'm only 1 of 2 employees that have Macs out of 150. We both have TiG4s and love them. Most of the other laptops are Dells with a sprinkling of Sony's. After working occassionally on the Dells, I wouldn't trade in my Ti for anything.

Not only that, what about getting all the software for the PC that you used on the Mac? For me that would cost more than machine itself.

[rastalin94]

Just out of curiosity, exactly why do you need the Ti to be faster than 667Mhz. What is to slow about it???

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by rastalin94
Just out of curiosity, exactly why do you need the Ti to be faster than 667Mhz. What is to slow about it???

You're really serious here, right?

I won't be satisfied until I can do realtime 3D animation with radiosity, which won't happen anytime soon, years at least.

My last project took over 100 hours of rendering, and that was a small one.

The next machine I'll buy will be a multi processor G5, probably next year, which could knock the 100 hours down to 20 - 10.

And then there is the video production, anytime I have to wait for my machine to do something, is costing me money.

[Grokgod]

I really cant believe it when people ask
"why would you need more speed than a 667!"
I personally find this an incredulous question.

Are you still in OS9?

Over $3000 dollars for a 667 with a 4200 rpm drive.
If these specs were housed in a different shell people would spit at it.:)
Imagine a beautiful women with the brain of a pea.
Mmm well maybe thats a bad metaphor.
Since my girlfriend is beautiful but oh so slow.

How could you not need more speed. For the obvious reasons stated by Dukestreet.

I had a 667 Ti for about a week before returning it.
I truly found it extremely frustrating to work on.
OSX was very unresponsive and my basic work flow was painfully slow.
I think that the 4200 rpm ddrive was responsible for this.
i am still rubbing oil on my lap to soothe the heat of that unit!

Not to mention that any actual work on animation or photoshop was impossible. If all I needed to do was type some letters and surf the net well that almost any type of machine would do. Unless your buying a Ti for the look alone.

I would be really curious to hear in greater detail your experience with the Dell and its comparisions to the Ti.> Dukestreet.

[krossfyter]

hmmmm how odd. i guess im having a different ti677 expierence then you. my ti seems hella phat. i have no regrets with it. i use it for photoshop, illustrator, quark x press, dreamweaver, imovie and fcp. rendering times for movies seem a hell of a lot faster. i just really dig this laptop. maybe i have a lower standard than you...dunno. but im happy with it.

i wish you could be.

[gelbin]

My law school recommended dells for first years. we all use a wireless network and use laptops daily for note taking/surfing the net/working on web projects while in class etc. That means about 70-80% of the first years got dell laptops. lucky for them they also were encouraged to get the 3 year coverage. EVERY one i know, even those that upgraded to a higher model, have had multiple parts replace (keyboards, screens, motherboards, motherboards, motherboards, processors, etc.) replaced multiple times. They have a dell guy at our school on a daily basis fixing machines. I can only imagine how life would be had they not gotten the 3 year coverage. that is not a computer...i mean, pick something other than dell please.

[AmbitiousLemon]

i think people threaten to buy dell BECAUSE its the bottom of the computing barrel.

if they threatened to buy sony they wouldnt be able to get so many people mad.

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by Grokgod
I had a 667 Ti for about a week before returning it.

I'm sorry to here that you returned yours Grokgod. I love mine, but I got the custom version with the faster disk and 1Gig of RAM. Interestingly, I got two, the first one got stolen on the docks at FedEx, it took another month to resolve the issues with Apple and FedEx before it was replaced.

My main reason for liking it so much is the fact that its portable. I have a G4 450 at home and the Ti is just faster, enough to make a difference. I do DV and 3D animation and I know that there are faster (dual proc.). But until the upgrade is significant, an order of magnitude, say when the G5s come out I'll be happy with the Ti. I'll still use it even then, especially being able to edit video in the field! Try lugging a desktop and 21" monitor around.

The Dell's are just ok, even the top of the line model. The screen is bigger and higher res 1600x1200, and its quick. But no firewire (at least on the model I used) and its alot bigger. I won't even go into the fact that its running NT. I use FCP and Lightwave for 3D. Lightwave on the Dell worked fine, but since everything I do goes to FCP, the quicktime movies were too clunky on the PC, and not every codec is supported, so I'd end up rendering each frame separately and then transfer the 1000s of single images to the Mac and generate quicktime form there. I'm now back to work soley on the TiPB.

I'm a Mac user, and proud of it.

[sparkleytone]

Originally posted by Grokgod
I really cant believe it when people ask
"why would you need more speed than a 667!"
I personally find this an incredulous question.


Incredulous is not an adjective, its a state of being. What you would WANT to say is "I am incredulous at this question" or just use the word incredible.

Quit trying to act intelligent in order to fend of the flames.

[Grokgod]

thanks for the english lesson, I appreciate.
Until now I had thought that I actually was intelligent.
Something about the diplomas on my wall.
English is actually for fourth language.
French is my native language.
Sorry if I offended you with my incorrect usage of the adjective.
I am happy that you were still able to understand me.

I am not trying fend off any flames and I hardly think that the use or misuse of an adjective or state of being qualifies me as attempting to be intelligent.
I would say that your appraisal of what constitutes intellectual power is rather low.

Dukestreet> yea , i think that a faster HD would certainly produce better results. Yet, I was afraid to order such a unit from apple because I am leery of getting a Ti with stuck pixels. So, I was determined to purchase it from a store so that I could check the screen. I was thinking of looking into a method of ordering from my local store.

AmbitiousLemon> I agree that Dell would be the worst of the lot probably. I am thinking that perhaps a Toshiba would be good. But as you said DELL just raises the ire in most. And I am trying to be uhhh angry about the current Ti book power levels. So I choosed or is it chose ? the ugliest of the bunch.

I am interested in others experiences with the Ti and question why my experience was so poor. I wonder~?

[Jookbox]

Originally posted by sparkleytone


Incredulous is not an adjective, its a state of being. What you would WANT to say is "I am incredulous at this question" or just use the word incredible.

Quit trying to act intelligent in order to fend of the flames.

actually you used the preprosition "at" instead of "with"

you also forgot to put a period before your 2nd quotation mark.

i'll make sure to point out YOUR grammatical errors too. and don't bother with mine. i'm not trying to write english papers here.

[Dunepilot]

Originally posted by sparkleytone


Incredulous is not an adjective, its a state of being. What you would WANT to say is "I am incredulous at this question" or just use the word incredible.

Quit trying to act intelligent in order to fend of the flames.

What the hell is this!

You don't 'act intelligent', you actintelligently , and you certainly don't fend 'of' the flames, you fend themoff . God, the arrogance of some people is incredible.:mad:

[Mr. Anderson]

Well, I got lucky, no stuck pixels.

[peteMG]

I'm also waiting (twitching) for a new pbg4 release. I've finally got the cash ready to pull the trigger, but it just feels like a new Ti release should be right around the corner. Sure, they were updated late last year, but their position in the lineup doesn't send that 'ultimate badass machine' message that a pro laptop should be sending. I want to use it both at home and at work, to to both web/database stuff in PHP and client-server work in Java. I also hope to be able to really use it for at least a few years.

On the other hand, July is a good ways away. I could be using it today.

On the other hand (!), April is right around the corner. April is also, for the superstitious among us, only 30 days from the month when they introduced the wallstreet PBG3 models and the iMac to a stunned public. A spring release isn't unprecedented.

As an aside, when my old company combusted, about a year ago, the employees got their workstations to take with them. As one of the developers I managed to keep my dual-processor Dell GX300. I've got to say that it has been a superb second machine to keep under the desk. It's quite snappy and hasn't crashed since.. well, I can't remember when. Anyway, don't profess that all of them suck.

-p

[Grokgod]

Thanks for pointing out what I was trying to say through sheer sarcasm!

Dunepilot, you really did get lucky , I ave a scriptwriter friend that ordered and received a Ti with 4 stuck pixels!

Well, i saw them on his screen , I was silent.

To some people it doesnt matter, and amazingly.

He hasnt noticed yet!

Hell he hasnt even noticed that the screen is marked horrible with the lines from the keyboard! He often eats while writing and so you can imagine how long it took to create the mosaic of patterns created by the oils on his screen.

He loves his Ti, and i wouldn't ever tell him.

Hopefully he will never get a new prescription for his glasses.

And for those of you that are searching for english errors.

Me no tink dat Ti bad, only need mo uhhhh Power to make it feel good, and play wit da oter shevelt puters in mac uhhh managerie.

[Gelfin]

Originally posted by dukestreet
I won't be satisfied until I can do realtime 3D animation with radiosity, which won't happen anytime soon, years at least.


Yeah, that would be nice. Don't compromise your principles. You wait for a computer that can do that before you buy anything. See you in 2057 or so.

Originally posted by Grokgod
"why would you need more speed than a 667!"
I personally find this an incredulous question.
Are you still in OS9?
Over $3000 dollars for a 667 with a 4200 rpm drive.

I didn't say you couldn't use of more speed. I questioned your notion that the machine is somehow crippled without it.

Now, let's talk about this "4200 rpm" thing. That is the STANDARD for notebook hard drives. Toshiba claims to have announced "the industry's first 9.5mm 5400 RPM drive family" in a press release dated February 6 of this year. IBM, of course, had a single 48GB drive at 5400 RPM prior to that (they've since added others, including the new 60GB), but I think the word "family" technically prevents the Toshiba press release from being a lie. But at the time the TiBook released, there was only the one IBM drive... and it was available, BTO, on the TiBook. Still is. I expect the next rev, whenever that is, will offer the 60 as well.

I had a 667 Ti for about a week before returning it.
I truly found it extremely frustrating to work on.
OSX was very unresponsive and my basic work flow was painfully slow.

I'm using OS X constantly. As soon as I get Photoshop 7 I won't need to start Classic at all. If you're saying that just basic navigation of the operating system is slow, then I can think of no more charitable explanation than to call you a liar. Please don't hyperbolize your experiences.

You didn't specify exactly what your workflow is. I find lightweight Photoshop work more than tolerable (hell, basic Photoshop work was tolerable on my old iBook 466). But if I were working on large-format Photoshop projects with lots of filters, or doing lots of 3D modeling and rendering, then I wouldn't really expect any portable to be satisfying.

In fact, for my own part, I admit that compiling large Windows projects using VPC5 on the TiBook is a little frustrating compared to the same task on a native Windows desktop machine. Is anyone really shocked by this result? Personally, I find it pretty impressive that it's fast enough that I can get work done at all under VPC when I'm out of the office.

[AmbitiousLemon]

Originally posted by Gelfin
Toshiba claims to have announced "the industry's first 9.5mm 5400 RPM drive family" in a press release dated February 6 of this year. IBM, of course, had a single 48GB drive at 5400 RPM prior to that (they've since added others, including the new 60GB), but I think the word "family" technically prevents the Toshiba press release from being a lie. But at the time the TiBook released, there was only the one IBM drive... and it was available, BTO, on the TiBook. Still is. I expect the next rev, whenever that is, will offer the 60 as well.

im not going to dive into the flame war but i thought this was amazing. toshiba claims to be the first? jeez i have a 32gig ibm 5400rpm drive. it is 2 years old. ibm has had the 32, 48 and 60 for awhile now. and they just annouced a 10 and 20 all at 5400rpm. ive always hated toshiba, always makes me feel dirty to think how many macs have toshiba drives in them. ugh, must wash hands, i feel dirty just thinking about it. wel with ibm and toshiba making 5400rpm drives im hoping all of apple's laptops will make the jump soon instead of the ultimate system.

[Grokgod]

thats funny.

Ambitous Lemon> Thanks for the information about the educational store and their costs on the the G4's. you were right about that, they are at the old prices. I was reffering to the costs on the regular store.
I apologize if what I said was taken as rudeness to you.
I really couldnt see what you were referring to, thanks for the explaination!

Now on to the rudeness

Gelfin, you twit!
no wait, just joking! :)

lets see~
I dont think that I am the only person that thinks that OSX is slow.
Many others have stated just that and some of them have dual machines.
Does that make all these people LIARS?

I have a new iMac and OSX is quite slow on it at times and ok at others.
I get windows that move, scale or minimize at rates that can only be called painful. When you can see the window freeze at mid movement to the dock, then thats SLOW!~
And thats on an 700 iMac with a better graphics card.
I think its easy to formulate what the 667 Ti with its ATI card is doing.
Does this logic make me a LIAR? I dont think so!

Perhaps if you didnt project your own perceptions onto others, there would be no need to accuse me of such things.
Am I prone to hyperboly < hope i spelled that right>
maybe? But that still doesnt make me a LIAR!


I almost forgot to mention BOUNCES, Jobs used the icon bouce to test the speed of an app opening, he showed the single and double bounce as the was OSX should work.
Guess how many bounces a Ti or my iMac takes to open apps.