Shut Up About 3G!

[Me1000]

OK all you people who complain about the iPhone not having 3G!
numbers...

EDGE - 236.8 kbit/s
3G- 384 kbit/s

802.11 G - 19 Mbit/s (typical)


3G is not that much faster! when you look at the numbers it looks larger, but when you look at my current internet speed

4807 Kb/s!!

How can you tell me that you will notice a huge enough difference in 3G vs EDGE for that to be a deal breaker?

my current internet connection is over 20 times faster!

also lets mention that many users will not even have a 3G network to connect to.

[Eric1285]

Um, I don't know where you are getting those numbers, but here are some more accurate numbers:

Edge: 40-200 kbps (Although AT&T is working hard to bump the minimum up to 80 kbps, so that it will at least be faster than dial up)

EVDO (3G): I get 1.2 mbps on my Motorola Q, some people have reported speeds over 2.0 mbps in areas with EVDO Rev. A

HSDPA: Supposed to be 1.8 mbps, don't know as I don't own a device that uses it.

I suggest you check your data before you post.

[Me1000]

The numbers came from wikipedia! they are accurate!

but I used typical numbers, not theoretical numbers!

[Eric1285]

The numbers came from wikipedia! they are accurate!

but I used typical numbers, not theoretical numbers!

Since when has Wikipedia become an academic resource?

I too used Wikipedia to look up the speeds of HSDPA, which I did not know off the top of my head. I do know that EDGE is supposed to top out at 200, maximum 250 kbps though and I've done my own tests on EVDO.

Better check your data again, or check whatever wikipedia resource you were using. Wikipedia is not always right.

Edit: Additionally, you ought to specify which flavor of 3G you are getting numbers for. EVDO speeds differ from HSDPA speeds. That's why I provided numbers for both.

[Me1000]

numbers aside, my home internet is 20 times faster!

EDGE and 3G are both SLOW!!!!

you wont see a difference!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDGE
EDGE can carry data speeds up to 236.8 kbit/s for 4 timeslots (theoretical maximum is 473.6 kbit/s for 8 timeslots)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3G
It also allows the transmission of 384 kbit/s for mobile systems

[cmschmidt]

236.8 is not a typical number. if you've ever used the EDGE network with att you would know that you'll never see anywhere near that amount. on HSDPA though, you're much more likely to see well over that.

numbers aside, my home internet is 20 times faster!

EDGE and 3G are both SLOW!!!!

you wont see a difference!

you can't compare mobile internet to home internet! of course it's faster. apples and oranges much?

[villanova329]

I find it funny how people swear by Wikipedia. I think people tend to forget that Wikipedia is a community-based resource. I've had 5 English teachers in the past 2 years dock people for referencing Wikipedia

[Eric1285]

numbers aside, my home internet is 20 times faster!

EDGE and 3G are both SLOW!!!!

you wont see a difference!

Stop spreading misinformation. EVDO at 1.2mbps is 6-7 times faster than EDGE, even at its fastest speeds. Here's an example:

A typical 250 KB web page will take 10 seconds to load over an EDGE connection at 200 kbps.

That same page will load in 2 seconds with an EVDO connection running at 1 mbps.

Are you trying to say that there's no difference between 10 and 2 seconds?

[Me1000]

you can't compare mobile internet to home internet! of course it's faster. apples and oranges much?

it is the same internet!

the way you connect may be different, but you can clearly see the HUGE speed difference, and it puts things in perspective.

[Eric1285]

I find it funny how people swear by Wikipedia. I think people tend to forget that Wikipedia is a community-based resource. I've had 5 English teachers in the past 2 years dock people for referencing Wikipedia

If someone were dumb enough to use Wikipedia as a reference and actually cite it as a source on an academic paper, they deserve to get a 0.

Wikipedia is a great place to get general knowledge. I use it all the time for school and work to quickly get the basics for anything I'm researching. It is by no means an academic resource however, and any information you find on there and plan to use for anything of importance (including trying to make a point on a web forum!) should be double checked against a more credible source.

[villanova329]

If someone were dumb enough to use Wikipedia as a reference and actually site it as a source on an academic paper, they deserve to get a 0.

Hahahaha definitely

[slffl]

I agree. 3G is not 'all that'.

I've had it for years now (Sprint), and it's still slow as far as latency goes. When I'm surfing web pages, there is still a 2-3 second delay before it even begins to download the page. Sure I can stream music and video, but isn't that why we have the iPod part of the iPhone?

I'm more excited about how supposedly AT&T was getting better latency with EDGE to prepare for the iPhone launch. I think that will make a better web experience than 3G with the latency it has now.

[cmschmidt]

it is the same internet!

the way you connect may be different, but you can clearly see the HUGE speed difference, and it puts things in perspective.

ok. you're not getting it. of course its slower. mobile internet technology is way younger than wired internet technology. there is no comparison between the two. it puts absolutely nothing into perspective as no one could possibly expect to get home speeds on their phone at this point in time.

when thinking in terms of mobile speeds, isolated entirely from the entirely different technology of wired internet, a 3G network of any kinds is many many times faster than EDGE.

[Eric1285]

I agree. 3G is not 'all that'.

I've had it for years now, and it's still slow as far as latency goes. Sure I can stream music and video, but isn't that why we have the iPod part of the iPhone?

I'm more excited about how supposedly AT&T was getting better latency with EDGE to prepare for the iPhone launch. I think that will make a better web experience than 3G with the latency it has now.

I think most of the latency issues with mobile phones has to do with the phone itself lacking adequate processing capability. I've noticed too that loading pages on a 3G phone can be slower than one would expect. However, when I tether the phone to my computer and use it for internet access, that terrible lag is gone. I've even tested the ping speeds on my computer, and I usually end up with times of around 200 milliseconds, which isn't terrible.

[gikku]

it is the same internet!

the way you connect may be different, but you can clearly see the HUGE speed difference, and it puts things in perspective.

The screen at home tends to be a little bigger also.

[Me1000]

ok. you're not getting it. of course its slower. mobile internet technology is way younger than wired internet technology. there is no comparison between the two. it puts absolutely nothing into perspective as no one could possibly expect to get home speeds on their phone at this point in time.

when thinking in terms of mobile speeds, isolated entirely from the entirely different technology of wired internet, a 3G network of any kinds is many many times faster than EDGE.

no you are not getting it,

im not bad mouthing any mobile internet technology!

but speed is speed, no matter how you look at it. mobile internet is slow, no matter which technology you use.

think of it this way

EDGE ---
3G ---------
WIFI ------------------------------------------------------------

3 times faster doesn't mean anything when you are talking that slow.

EDIT: the spaces didnt work right, but they should all be lined up

[kdarling]

EDGE can carry data speeds up to 236.8 kbit/s for 4 timeslots (theoretical maximum is 473.6 kbit/s for 8 timeslots)

I believe what they're telling you is:

If the cell allows it, and you're the only one surfing, you can get all 4 timeslots = 236K.

If four people are surfing via that cell, you get 1 timeslot or 236/4 = 59K.

[cmschmidt]

no you are not getting it,

im not bad mouthing any mobile internet technology!

but speed is speed, no matter how you look at it. mobile internet is slow, no matter which technology you use.

think of it this way

EDGE ---
3G ---------
WIFI ------------------------------------------------------------

3 times faster doesn't mean anything when you are talking that slow.

i give up. i don't agree that speed is speed.

its like comparing a ferarri to a scooter. sure the scooter is slower but nobody compares ferarri's to scooters. you compare scooters to other scooters. nobody is surprised or expects the scooter to be anywhere near as fast as the ferarri, but in a pinch a scooter will get you there. whatever. argument over.

[Eric1285]

no you are not getting it,

im not bad mouthing any mobile internet technology!

but speed is speed, no matter how you look at it. mobile internet is slow, no matter which technology you use.

think of it this way

EDGE ---
3G ---------
WIFI ------------------------------------------------------------

3 times faster doesn't mean anything when you are talking that slow.


I like how you ignore my posts which clearly explain that 3G is much faster than EDGE and keep blatantly spouting misinformation. 3G, be it HSDPA or EVDO is much, much faster than EDGE. If you don't believe me, just try it out. Go to a cell phone store and play around with a phone using HSDPA/EVDO and a phone using EDGE. You'll be surprised how slow EDGE is...it's barely faster than dial up in some cases. To put it another way (just to be sure you get it this time) EDGE is comparable to ISDN. 3G is comparable to DSL. Are you saying DSL is not faster than ISDN?

And as far as you point that mobile internet is slow no matter what, I beg to differ. I used to own a Cingular 8125 that had EDGE internet. It would literally take up to a minute and a half to load some pages in areas where I did not have good reception. Compare that to the WiFi connection it also had, which was much, much faster. Similarly, I now own a Motorola Q with 3G EVDO, and I'm telling you right now that it is many times faster than EDGE.

[villanova329]

numbers aside, my home internet is 20 times faster!

EDGE and 3G are both SLOW!!!!

you wont see a difference!


Okay, then a street is the same road, but is it still fair to compare the speed of a 12-speed Trek Bicycle to the speed of a BMW M5?

Oh I forgot, it doesn't matter because your home internet is definitely faster than 3G and EDGE.. because its the same internet..

[MACsimus19]

This sort of makes me want to run some bandwidth tests on my blackjack in 3G vs. EDGE to see what the actual speed difference is. You can manually have the BJ only access EDGE or 3G (used to save battery).

For the most part I've never been able to Sling successfully in EDGE where its smooth in 3G. There have been a few locations where my EDGE connection was unusually fast and probably was picking up some 3G network ( slinging was nearly perfect) but thats extremely rare.

Also of note...I was recently given a Moto Q at work with full data plan and I've got to say that slinging over EV-DO yields higher frame rates than with my BlackJack on Cingulars 3G network. EVDO seems to have less latency than cingulars 3G.

With all that said I'm sure I'll make due with the iPhone....bye bye BlackJack!

[cmschmidt]

Okay, then a street is the same road, but is it still fair to compare the speed of a 12-speed Trek Bicycle to the speed of a BMW M5?

Oh I forgot, it doesn't matter because your home internet is definitely faster than 3G and EDGE.. because its the same internet..

at least somebody else understand his false logic.

[MacbookSwitcher]

The numbers came from wikipedia! they are accurate!

but I used typical numbers, not theoretical numbers!

No they are not. Your numbers are nonsense.

3G in practice is about 5-10X faster than EDGE. The difference is night and day.

[Eric1285]

This sort of makes me want to run some bandwidth tests on my blackjack in 3G vs. EDGE to see what the actual speed difference is. You can manually have the BJ only access EDGE or 3G (used to save battery).

For the most part I've never been able to Sling successfully in EDGE where its smooth in 3G. There have been a few locations where my EDGE connection was unusually fast and probably was picking up some 3G network ( slinging was nearly perfect) but thats extremely rare.

Also of note...I was recently given a Moto Q at work with full data plan and I've got to say that slinging over EV-DO yields higher frame rates than with my BlackJack on Cingulars 3G network. EVDO seems to have less latency than cingulars 3G.

With all that said I'm sure I'll make due with the iPhone....bye bye BlackJack!

Heh, I almost bought myself a BlackJack, but opted for the Motorola Q. Too bad I can't justify paying $600 + $80/mo for 24 months for the iPhone, otherwise I'd probably try it out too. Still (and I'm gonna say this just to get a rise out of the original poster) I wish the iPhone had 3G...if it did, I would probably get one.

[Me1000]

Okay, then a street is the same road, but is it still fair to compare the speed of a 12-speed Trek Bicycle to the speed of a BMW M5?

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID!

the bicycle is slow, the BMW is fast!

EDGE - 6-speed bike
3G - 12 speed bike
wifi - BMW

2 mile long road..

You will get there faster on a 12 speed bike vs a 6 speed bike, but MUCH MUCH faster in a BMW!

[gikku]

who is the fastest, the 100m guy or the marathon guy?

[cmschmidt]

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID!

the bicycle is slow, the BMW is fast!

EDGE - 6-speed bike
3G - 12 speed bike
wifi - BMW

2 mile long road..

You will get there faster on a 12 speed bike vs a 6 speed bike, but MUCH MUCH faster in a BMW!

yes. but it's impossible to take your bmw everywhere you can take your bike. therefore your comparison is completely flawed. they're two different vehicles for 2 completely different situations.

[villanova329]

Heh, I almost bought myself a BlackJack, but opted for the Motorola Q. Too bad I can't justify paying $600 + $80/mo for 24 months for the iPhone, otherwise I'd probably try it out too. Still (and I'm gonna say this just to get a rise out of the original poster) I wish the iPhone had 3G...if it did, I would probably get one.

Yeah I heard 3G would be a great addition to the iPhone. Isn't 3G faster than EDGE?
:D

[Eric1285]

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID!

the bicycle is slow, the BMW is fast!

EDGE - 6-speed bike
3G - 12 speed bike
wifi - BMW

2 mile long road..

You will get there faster on a 12 speed bike vs a 6 speed bike, but MUCH MUCH faster in a BMW!

Okay, let's try again...

EDGE: 200 kbps
3G: 1-2 mbps
Cable modem: 3 mbps

This means that EDGE is .067x the speed of your home internet connection, whereas 3G is .33-.66x.

EDGE is much, much slower than either 3G or your home internet connection. 3G is very comparable to home internet connections, especially when you're just browsing the web.

[MACsimus19]

Heh, I almost bought myself a BlackJack, but opted for the Motorola Q. Too bad I can't justify paying $600 + $80/mo for 24 months for the iPhone, otherwise I'd probably try it out too. Still (and I'm gonna say this just to get a rise out of the original poster) I wish the iPhone had 3G...if it did, I would probably get one.

I'll tell you in a completely unbiased review that the blackjack is a better device. Windows mobile AKU3 is way better than AKU2, and the MOTO Q Keyboard lacks some of the great shortcuts that the BJ has. Moto Q's screen is larger but its not so great to look at in comparison. Frankly, it just looks dated. BUT HEY...its free and I can't complain. It can do everything my BJ does...Zagat, Fizz Weather, SlingBox, GoogleMaps, Live Search and does it almost as well and in some instances a pinch faster.

WITH ALL THAT said, I'd give up either one in a HEARTBEAT for the iPhone. I'm an interface guy and while I can learn to use Windows Mobile its still awful. I can't wait for the iPhone, 3G or not. Im around hotspots all the time and I'm sure with all that HD space the cache for safari will be huge enough to make load times more bearable.

Luckily Moto Q for work, iPhone for play!:apple:

[Eric1285]

Yeah I heard 3G would be a great addition to the iPhone. Isn't 3G faster than EDGE?
:D

No, my skateboard is faster than both 3G and EDGE. In fact, my roller blades are faster than your cable modem.

[Me1000]

yes. but it's impossible to take your bmw everywhere you can take your bike.

except the reality here is,

when you have to travel in areas where you cant take your BMW there is not that big of a difference between the 6 speed bike and the 12 speed bike,

it will still be going a lot slower, and the difference insignificant



lets also take into account that you cant ride your 12 speed bike in 60% of the areas you can ride your 6-speed.

[cmschmidt]

No, my skateboard is faster than both 3G and EDGE. In fact, my roller blades are faster than your cable modem.

i could outrun all of you in a running race.

[villanova329]

No, my skateboard is faster than both 3G and EDGE. In fact, my roller blades are faster than your cable modem.

Oh but cable is so expensive, I'm stuck with my pathetic DSL =(

[Eric1285]

I'll tell you in a completely unbiased review that the blackjack is a better device. Windows mobile AKU3 is way better than AKU2, and the MOTO Q Keyboard lacks some of the great shortcuts that the BJ has. Moto Q's screen is larger but its not so great to look at in comparison. Frankly, it just looks dated. BUT HEY...its free and I can't complain. It can do everything my BJ does...Zagat, Fizz Weather, SlingBox, GoogleMaps, Live Search and does it almost as well and in some instances a pinch faster.

WITH ALL THAT said, I'd give up either one in a HEARTBEAT for the iPhone. I'm an interface guy and while I can learn to use Windows Mobile its still awful. I can't wait for the iPhone, 3G or not. Im around hotspots all the time and I'm sure with all that HD space the cache for safari will be huge enough to make load times more bearable.

Luckily Moto Q for work, iPhone for play!:apple:

Yeah, I haven't played with AKU3 at all. I'm pretty happy as long as I can browse the web, use Windows Mobile Live, and get push email.

I would love to have an iPhone as well, but I don't live somewhere where there's WiFi everywhere, and I've become far too addicted to my 3G connection to not have it anymore. That, and I'm not willing to pay $75-80 a month for cell phone service...not when I'm paying $30 a month for 500 minutes, unlimited texting and unlimited data from Sprint.

[villanova329]

i could outrun all of you in a running race.

But my Nike+ running shoes and iPod tell me I'm a fast runner, they really do :p


Speaking of which, do you guys think the Nike+ kit will work with the iPhone?

[cmschmidt]

except the reality here is,

when you have to travel in areas where you cant take your BMW there is not that big of a difference between the 6 speed bike and the 12 speed bike,

it will still be going a lot slower, and the difference insignificant

except the difference between edge and 3G is closer to the difference between a bike and a motorcycle. or at least a vespa.

[Eric1285]

except the reality here is,

when you have to travel in areas where you cant take your BMW there is not that big of a difference between the 6 speed bike and the 12 speed bike,

it will still be going a lot slower, and the difference insignificant

Yes, but your original comparison of EDGE as a 6 speed bike and 3G as a 12 speed bike is completely wrong.

Keep ignoring me. You know I'm right.

[cmschmidt]

But my Nike+ running shoes and iPod tell me I'm a fast runner, they really do :p


Speaking of which, do you guys think the Nike+ kit will work with the iPhone?

damnit i don't have nike+ running shoes. i'm out of the race before it starts.

[cmschmidt]

Yes, but your original comparison of EDGE as a 6 speed bike and 3G as a 12 speed bike is completely wrong.

Keep ignoring me. You know I'm right.

we're so on the same page it's not even funny.

[Eric1285]

But my Nike+ running shoes and iPod tell me I'm a fast runner, they really do :p


Speaking of which, do you guys think the Nike+ kit will work with the iPhone?

Ooh, that's a good question. I wonder why nobody has asked it yet. Doesn't it only work with the iPod Nano though? It might be because the Nano is flash based, and they don't want to encourage running with a HDD based iPod since it'll probably cause lots of problems. That being said, the iPhone is flash based, so it's definitely a possibility (although I would not run with a $600 phone strapped to my arm!).

[villanova329]

Apple should just own their own damn towers and satellites and become their own service like DoCoMo.

[Eric1285]

we're so on the same page it's not even funny.

I know...this guy is either very, very persistent, or his skull is thicker than some of the sarcasm in this thread =)

[Me1000]

the speed difference is insignificant. I stand by that...

Flame me if you will, :rolleyes:

but do grow up...

[villanova329]

Ooh, that's a good question. I wonder why nobody has asked it yet. Doesn't it only work with the iPod Nano though? It might be because the Nano is flash based, and they don't want to encourage running with a HDD based iPod since it'll probably cause lots of problems. That being said, the iPhone is flash based, so it's definitely a possibility (although I would not run with a $600 phone strapped to my arm!).

Yeah you're right. I live in Oakland, CA during the weekdays and running on the streets even without an iPod is a thrilling experience already.

[Brandon Sharitt]

Sprint's wireless data network is is the reason I may wait for the Linux based Treos that should be here by the end of the year. WiFi isn't quite as everywere as Steve claims, and even then I'd end up being nickel and dimed to death since when I do find it, it's rarely free.

[Eric1285]

the speed difference is insignificant. I stand by that...

Flame me if you will, :rolleyes:

but do grow up...

Haha, perhaps the one in need of a maturity boost is the one who refuses to look at the data, multiple personal accounts, and other proof posted that contradicts his claim.

Come on, you can't seriously be *that* slow.

[Eric1285]

Sprint's wireless data network is is the reason I may wait for the Linux based Treos that should be here by the end of the year. WiFi isn't quite as everywere as Steve claims, and even then I'd end up being nickel and dimed to death since when I do find it, it's rarely free.

If you're considering Sprint, don't forget about their SERO plan. It's the best one available. You should be able to find some good information on it through a Google search, and there's also a HUGE thread about it over at Fatwallet forums.

[Me1000]

http://husk.org/apps/flame/flame.jpg

[faustfire]

but speed is speed, no matter how you look at it. mobile internet is slow, no matter which technology you use.

3 times faster doesn't mean anything when you are talking that slow.


God thats a stupid statement.

So based on this logic, if you were not riding in a car but walking, it wouldnt matter if you were sprinting, walking, or crawling, since you are still moving slower than a car it doesn't matter.

[villanova329]

http://husk.org/apps/flame/flame.jpg

Oh yes you are quite flamin' Me1000. Very, very flamin'

[Eric1285]

I'm done arguing with you. Anybody who reads this thread will clearly see that EDGE is indeed much slower than 3G. After all, if it weren't why would companies even bother having 3G networks?

Best of luck trying to convince everyone that EDGE is as fast as 3G, and enjoy browsing the web on EDGE!

[Me1000]

it wouldnt matter if you were sprinting, walking, or crawling, since you are still moving slower than a car it doesn't matter.

exactly,


Best of luck trying to convince everyone that EDGE is as fast as 3G, and enjoy browsing the web on EDGE!

when did I say that?

Stop putting words in my mouth!


Oh yes you are quite flamin' Me1000. Very, very flamin'
Grow up!

[villanova329]

=)

http://www.geocities.com/villanova329/Flame.jpg

[mrkramer]

EDGE and 3G are both SLOW!!!!


So if your only choices is slow internet you will want the slowest of the two?:confused: your reasoning doesn't make sense.

[Chundles]

What about Telstra's "NextG" 850MHz HSDPA network? It's already at 3.6Mbps and should be approaching 14Mbps sometime early next year.

That's pretty quick for mobile internet, hopefully when we get our iPhone (pretty sure it'll be iPhone 2.0 mid to late next year) it'll support 850MHz HSDPA.

[Badandy]

After reading this thread, I am quite convinced that Me1000 is either 10 years old or partially retarded, possibly both.

There's not that much to get here, I'll explain it to you.

-WLAN goes 300 feet
-Within those 300 feet, you will get faster internet

-When you are OUT AND ABOUT, AWAY FROM A BASE STATION, 3G is far superior to EDGE.


I don't think you understand. While 3G and EDGE are both slower than Wi-Fi (usually), the difference between them is enormous. Surfing on 3G is an almost DSL experience, while EDGE is an ISDN experience. You can complicate your metaphors however you want, but just because my Mustang is slower than an F16 jet does NOT MEAN that the difference in speed between my car and a 1986 Honda Civic is insignificant...


Do you get it?

[Eric1285]

After reading this thread, I am quite convinced that Me1000 is either 10 years old or partially retarded, possibly both.

There's not that much to get here, I'll explain it to you.

-WLAN goes 300 feet
-Within those 300 feet, you will get faster internet

-When you are OUT AND ABOUT, AWAY FROM A BASE STATION, 3G is far superior to EDGE.


I don't think you understand. While 3G and EDGE are both slower than Wi-Fi (usually), the difference between them is enormous. Surfing on 3G is an almost DSL experience, while EDGE is an ISDN experience. You can complicate your metaphors however you want, but just because my Mustang is slower than an F16 jet does NOT MEAN that the difference in speed between my car and a 1986 Honda Civic is insignificant...


Do you get it?

Well put, but I don't think he'll get it.

[AppleIntelRock]

<Rant a href=long rant>Hoenstly, when I switched from my Cingular Treo (EDGE) to my Verizon Treo (3G) I didn't notice that much of a difference. I found that Cingular's (Now AT&T) EDGE service ran on the high-end of the possible data flow, while Verizon's 3G did not. Honestly, loading large web pages like CNN, there was only about a 5 second difference. Also, 3G is a non-issuse for me, since the majority of the time I'm doing any major web-surfing on my phone, I've got wifi access. When I am on the go, the only thing I'm doing is looking up directions (mapquest) but I'll have google maps to do that. I also look up local stores (again google maps) honestly, even with it's down-falls... the iPhone seems like it was made for me. </rant>

[Brandon Sharitt]

After reading this thread, I am quite convinced that Me1000 is either 10 years old or partially retarded, possibly both.

There's not that much to get here, I'll explain it to you.

-WLAN goes 300 feet
-Within those 300 feet, you will get faster internet

-When you are OUT AND ABOUT, AWAY FROM A BASE STATION, 3G is far superior to EDGE.


I don't think you understand. While 3G and EDGE are both slower than Wi-Fi (usually), the difference between them is enormous. Surfing on 3G is an almost DSL experience, while EDGE is an ISDN experience. You can complicate your metaphors however you want, but just because my Mustang is slower than an F16 jet does NOT MEAN that the difference in speed between my car and a 1986 Honda Civic is insignificant...


Do you get it?

BUT THEY BOTH HAVE FOUR WHEELS! IT'S THE SAME THING!

Or... um... maybe not.

[biturbomunkie]

OK all you people who complain about the iPhone not having 3G!
numbers...

EDGE - 236.8 kbit/s
3G- 384 kbit/s

802.11 G - 19 Mbit/s (typical)


3G is not that much faster! when you look at the numbers it looks larger, but when you look at my current internet speed

4807 Kb/s!!

How can you tell me that you will notice a huge enough difference in 3G vs EDGE for that to be a deal breaker?

my current internet connection is over 20 times faster!

also lets mention that many users will not even have a 3G network to connect to.

to say the least, your comparison and interpretation of data are very, very flawed. why this iphone will not be released in euro or asia?

like it or not, the rest of the world has gone 3G and 3.5G is already available.

[AppleIntelRock]

http://husk.org/apps/flame/flame.jpg

Don't worry! I'll save you!

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[faustfire]

After reading this thread, I am quite convinced that Me1000 is either 10 years old or partially retarded, possibly both.


I vote for retarded.

[Cyberthato]

no you are not getting it,

im not bad mouthing any mobile internet technology!

but speed is speed, no matter how you look at it. mobile internet is slow, no matter which technology you use.

think of it this way

EDGE ---
3G ---------
WIFI ------------------------------------------------------------

3 times faster doesn't mean anything when you are talking that slow.



Actually 3 times faster means a lot when you're slow. I'd rather take a 1 hour trip on my car than a 3 hours one. When you're fast on the other side is when small differences are difficult to see. I couldn't care less if a web site renders in 1 or 1,3 secs. See? in slow you actually boost a lot with small performace changes, in fast you don't.

Your problem is lack of perspective. YES wifi is ultra fast compared to 3G and EDGE, but I couldn't care less what the wifi speed is when I'm in the middle of nowhere trying to check a google map o reading my e-mail. WIFI is not omnipresent, you depend on an access point. In the mean while mobile networks are in the same places where you have enough reception to make a phone call. I'f I always had access to a wifi network you might actually be right (might), but I don't, if I were to use the iPhone exclusively within my wifi area I'd just pass on it and use my MBP instead.

Try to think the real use of a device and your arguments before saying nonsense. The only valid argument you gave is that AT&T doewn't have a 3G network the rest is grabble.

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I suggest that if this topic comes back up - and I guess it will - that everybody who helped pushing this thread into wasteland, and everybody else, will behave just a bit better... or else the ban hamster is coming out of its cage... right...?