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MacRumors
Jul 8, 2003, 08:08 AM
MacMinute (http://www.macminute.com/) reports on an IDG Press Release (http://www.businesswire.com/cgi-bin/f_headline.cgi?bw.070803/231895194) detailing some new products coming at Macworld CreativePro 2003 from exhibiting companies.

Macworld CreativePro is the rebranded name of what's been traditionally known as MacWorld New York. Previously, it was reported that Apple's Vice President of Hardware and Product Marketing will be delivering the "opening feature presentation" (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/06/20030616131228.shtml) at the new conference.

Rumors and speculation about Powerbook updates have been trickling in for months -- with high expectations for an update at WWDC. The rumor mill has been notably quiet since, with very little new information available.



Mudbug
Jul 8, 2003, 08:10 AM
I bet (well, hope, really) that the powerbooks finally make their presence known at MWNY. The timing seems right, and the market is definitely ripe for them now.

stefman
Jul 8, 2003, 08:11 AM
Yes! Please! I need a PB 15" (the Alu type)!

Unfortunately, I lost all hope of a G5 in the PB's this year and I'm not willing to wait till next year.

zim
Jul 8, 2003, 08:19 AM
Has anyone heard anything about a possible speed bump in the iMac? or are we stuck at 1GHz until the powerMac G4 1.25 is gone?

jpryde
Jul 8, 2003, 08:42 AM
Yes, I desperately need them to update the 15" with the aluminum enclosure, Airport extreme, and hopefully the backlit keyboard. I'm starting grad school in the fall and can't afford the 17", and the 12" is just a bit too small. They really need to hurry up with it, because I need it by the middle of August!!

chazmox
Jul 8, 2003, 08:42 AM
I've been waiting to 6 months for this damn AL 15 inch and it's been driving me nuts!!! I wouldn't have waited that long if I knew, but kept thinking that an update was right around the corner.

If they don't release it at the CreatePro, I just going to go psycho and kill everyone.

AND I MEAN EVERYONE ON THE WHOLE PLANET!!!!


BAAHAAAHAAAHAAA!!!

Rustus Maximus
Jul 8, 2003, 08:44 AM
An AJA Io running on a G5 with FCP 4 should be an impressive site :)

Should be a good show even if it hasn't received the same hype as WWDC did :)

pilotgi
Jul 8, 2003, 08:48 AM
I don't think they're going to announce the 15" PowerBook at CreativePro. Maybe the following week.

Steve is still in a snit about IDG moving the show to Boston next year.

nydoofus
Jul 8, 2003, 08:49 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears that all attendees to the conference have access to the the "Feature Presentation", even those poor shmoes like me who only have the Exhibit Hall Pass.

All Packages include access to Exhibit Floor (July 16-18), Feature Presentations* &

* Feature Presentations are open to all registered attendees. Please note that seating is limited and access is based on

http://www.macworldexpo.com/macworld2003/V40/index.cvn?ID=10296

That makes my day a whole lot better. Hopefully I can see Josiwick introduce a new 15'' Al Powerbook.

iGav
Jul 8, 2003, 08:58 AM
It's quite stange this year... normally before an 'expo' type thing, the boards go mental... with predictions of a New Newton, Cube revivals, iPhones, iTablets... if you can name it then Apple have made it and it's going to be released immeadiately after the presentation :rolleyes: :eek: :p but since WWDC, everything seems to have quietened down alot... strange that... :p :p :p

iAlan
Jul 8, 2003, 09:09 AM
How about new monitors to match the new enclosures, new keyboard and mouse...strange that the G5 isn't shipping with the 'Pro' stuff, the eMac keyboard and mouse is crap, there has got to be something new...what about external drives that Apple is said to be working on...there must be some stuff up the Apple sleeve...
:)

tdewey
Jul 8, 2003, 09:11 AM
Given the likelihood of new hardware at MWNY the 64bit question is what will we see, I can think of three possibilities (given that G5 PB will not be introduced until at least Feb).

1. Minor Update
15.4" AlPB, 1Ghz, UATA100, DDR266, 5400RPM 60GB, New GPU or More GPU Memory, lighted keyboard.

Also offer the faster drive and/or better GPU on the 17".

GPU could be: Nvidia 4400 or 460 Go or ATI Mobility Radeon 9200.
Less Likely but more desirable: Nvidia 5200 or 5600 Go or ATI MR 9600
Least Likely and most desirable: ATI MR 9600 Pro

2. Slightly more than Minor Update (aka Smarting up the 12")
Introduce 15.4"
Update the 12" to 1Ghz, Allow Max 1GB, Update GPU to 440 or 460.


3. Overhaul
Offer 1.3Ghz 17" (Same GPU Choices as above). New HD Options.
Offer 1.0 or 1.3Ghz 15.4 (Same GPU Choices as above). New HD Options
Updated 12" above. New HD Options


HD Options: 50@5400, 60@5400, 80@5400 or 50@5400, 60@7200, 80@5400.

hayesk
Jul 8, 2003, 09:12 AM
It will be another G5 demo. Guaranteed.

A .Mac renewal update (that's why there are incentives now - so they can say "Look how many people renewed .Mac").

Maybe a 15" update - but I don't know if that warrants a trade show? It's not a big leap since the 12" and 17" are already there. I'm expecting a relatively quiet update to the 15".

That's it, I think. There will be a lot of disappointed people this year.

Orome
Jul 8, 2003, 09:16 AM
Originally posted by iGAV
It's quite stange this year... normally before an 'expo' type thing, the boards go mental... with predictions of a New Newton, Cube revivals, iPhones, iTablets... if you can name it then Apple have made it and it's going to be released immeadiately after the presentation :rolleyes: :eek: :p but since WWDC, everything seems to have quietened down alot... strange that... :p :p :p

The two were so close together this year, we're all still picking ourselves up after watching the keynote/G5 intro...and yearning for those ethereal PB updates...

Orome
Jul 8, 2003, 09:22 AM
Originally posted by hayesk
Maybe a 15" update - but I don't know if that warrants a trade show? It's not a big leap since the 12" and 17" are already there. I'm expecting a relatively quiet update to the 15".

That's it, I think. There will be a lot of disappointed people this year.

I'm afraid you may be right about the 15" PB updates not being what we would all hope, but at the same time, Apple has kept us waiting so long, a lot of people honestly get this rediculous attitude of "They OWE us these updates!!!" Apple doesn't owe anybody anything. They're a business first, not your buddy who builds computers on the side. Personally, I think we will see an updated PB at MacWorld. What I can't figure out is how much of an update we will see...

Rustus Maximus
Jul 8, 2003, 09:23 AM
There's bound to be a continued demo of Panther so does anyone think perhaps they will demo some "pro" level graphics cards for the G5, like the Quadro or FireGL? Surely they are working on drivers for these higher end cards now that we've got an AGP 8x Pro slot.

betoranaldi
Jul 8, 2003, 09:32 AM
What I hope to see, which probably be a very quiet release is an 15" Aluminum PB with Airport Extreeme and an updated 4x DVD-RW.

Speed doesn't really matter to me seeing how my 867 Quicksilver is plenty fast for what I do with it and im just looking for something portable (12 is too small, 17 is too big).

macman13
Jul 8, 2003, 09:32 AM
I really think they need to come out with a new iBook. I mean a totaly redisigned one. Dont you think it is about time?

kgforce
Jul 8, 2003, 09:34 AM
It seems that new monitors would be a more appropriate announcement for the CreativePro Expo than new PB's. Big honkin' flat screens to match the new G5's -- thinner bezel, better stands than the "easels" of the current line-up.

I need a new monitor, so come on, Apple!

ZildjianKX
Jul 8, 2003, 09:45 AM
Hopefully the 15" will see:

15.4" viewable screen
Aluminum Casing
PC2700 DDR SDRAM at least
Airport Xtreme
Bluetooth 1.1
Backlit Keyboard
5400 RPM Hard Drives (doubt it, since 4200 are cheaper and better on batteries)
Upgraded Radeon or NVIDIA Graphics card... should be a nice one, ya pay enough for a powerboook....
DVD-RW (emphasis on the RW) of 2X

And hopefully a 1.3 GHz speed jump.

AppleMatt
Jul 8, 2003, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by tdewey
Update the 12" to 1Ghz, Allow Max 1GB, Update GPU to 440 or 460.


The 12" can already take 1GB RAM. What I would like to see is a minimum of 256MB on board. I'm with you on the 1GHz, and better a graphics chip. What would be purdy is a backlit keyboard. But I think that's going too far.

Oh, and internally move the harddrive, this would mean less heat on the left palm rest and quieter operation.

In the mean time it would be nice for someone at Apple/nVidia, just one, to update the drivers for the 12" and 17". They're crap.

Originally posted by stefman
Unfortunately, I lost all hope of a G5 in the PB's this year and I'm not willing to wait till next year.

Apple's Greg Joswiak said:

"Motorola is huge for us, our partnership with Motorola is not going away, G4s are in every other part of our product line. As you can see, [the G5] is not going in a PowerBook anytime soon. Motorola remains very important to us, but IBM is the one that can take us to the next level"

In a way I'm glad, I've only just shelled out for this PowerBook, I'd hate for it to be so obselete so quickly.

AppleMatt

chazmox
Jul 8, 2003, 09:48 AM
I see option one as more likely; however, I do see it somewhat more likely that they will put in the higher end GPU's as the main CPU will not be bumped in speed. They gotta to something to show processing progress.

Option two would DEFINATELY be preferrable; however, I can't see that the MOT schedule for the 7457 will be that accelerated. I'd go crazy again if they announced and the new AL was shipping in 3 months!!!

tdewey
Jul 8, 2003, 09:49 AM
macman13: somewhere on this board is a post discussing that. I think the general feeling was not until the G5s go into the PB, then the G4s go into the ibook.

Though with the new school year just around the corner new ibooks make as much (if not more) business sense as new PBs.

MacUser1
Jul 8, 2003, 09:53 AM
Originally posted by betoranaldi
and an updated 4x DVD-RW.

I think that the SuperDrive in the PowerBooks right now are 1x. 4x seems very unlikely. I wouldn't complain if they offered a 2x SuperDrive.

betoranaldi
Jul 8, 2003, 09:56 AM
Originally posted by MacUser1
I think that the SuperDrive in the PowerBooks right now are 1x. 4x seems very unlikely. I wouldn't complain if they offered a 2x SuperDrive.

I think the drive right now is 2x dvd-r and 1x dvd-rw what i ment was i am looking for a 4x dvd-r and a 2x dvd-rw drive...

macman13
Jul 8, 2003, 10:04 AM
I heard that the G3 processor could go up to over 1ghz, so they should put a fater processor in the iBook. The G3 is plenty fast so i dont think the iBook will get a G4 anytime soon. They shoyuld also change their designs to make them more durable because the original iBook was defintely more durable then the white one

dongmin
Jul 8, 2003, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by macman13
I really think they need to come out with a new iBook. I mean a totaly redisigned one. Dont you think it is about time?

why? what's wrong with the current one? yeah Apple could do a lot to up the graphics card, cpu, etc., but design-wise and feature-wise, it's solid.

if anything, I'd like to see an ultra-portable, the 12" PB without the optical drive. Shave off a .5 inch here and there and a pound or so of weight. Make it a true complement to the new desktops.

Bruja
Jul 8, 2003, 10:07 AM
I'm waitng patiently for the bloody 15.4" to come out but If it does'nt come out by August/Sept., then I'll go 17"! No biggie, (or maybe it is).

Thirteenva
Jul 8, 2003, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by tdewey
macman13: somewhere on this board is a post discussing that. I think the general feeling was not until the G5s go into the PB, then the G4s go into the ibook.

Though with the new school year just around the corner new ibooks make as much (if not more) business sense as new PBs.


There is also the possibility that the G4 will NEVER make it into the ibook.

IBM has quite a roadmap for the G3 while moto has dragged on the G4's.

So many people feel the G4's are a better chip, but i have to say that i think the G3 has way more potential given the strength of IBM and their commitment to R&D for desktop chips.

iGav
Jul 8, 2003, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by betoranaldi
I think the drive right now is 2x dvd-r and 1x dvd-rw what i ment was i am looking for a 4x dvd-r and a 2x dvd-rw drive...

no, they're currently 1x...

4x would be great, but 2x more likely...

Remember slot-loading DVD-R drives were only released last December, and that was a shock when they were released, as there were rumours at that time that they were still atleast a year away...

Jerry Spoon
Jul 8, 2003, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by hayesk
Mac renewal update (that's why there are incentives now - so they can say "Look how many people renewed .Mac")
Do you think a lot of people are renewing their .mac membership? :confused: I'm thinking they won't announce these numbers b/c I think there will be a significant drop. What's significant? I don't know. Any guesses out there?

betoranaldi
Jul 8, 2003, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by iGAV
no, they're currently 1x...

4x would be great, but 2x more likely...

Remember slot-loading DVD-R drives were only released last December, and that was a shock when they were released, as there were rumours at that time that they were still atleast a year away...

2X will be fine then, thought the current were a little faster no biggie, doesnt matter too much for a portable, all that you will really do with it is backup data and the occasional dvd creation...

Lighted Keyboard would be nice too but i dought that will happen it will make it too much like the 17" IMHO

jouster
Jul 8, 2003, 10:28 AM
Quote: Maybe a 15" update - but I don't know if that warrants a trade show? It's not a big leap since the 12" and 17" are already there. I'm expecting a relatively quiet update to the 15".

Well, the trade show will go on regardless of whether a PB upgrade 'warrants it' or not, since it is not an Apple expo, and Apple has no say in its organization.

Also, someone mentioned that it would be good to move the internal drive in the 12" PB to make the palm rest cooler. IMHO this is highly unlikey - it is far from a trivial problem and would require the entire book to be reengineered.

macman13
Jul 8, 2003, 10:28 AM
originaly posted by thirteenva:

There is also the possibility that the G4 will NEVER make it into the ibook.

IBM has quite a roadmap for the G3 while moto has dragged on the G4's.

So many people feel the G4's are a better chip, but i have to say that i think the G3 has way more potential given the strength of IBM and their commitment to R&D for desktop chips.


I agree with you, it seems as though the G3 has much more potential. The G4 is nothing special

9hundred
Jul 8, 2003, 10:45 AM
the rumors i've read about detacable imac tablet type things sound increadably useful in a new creative type enviroment and this would be the smartest and greatest move by apple for their creative expo release.
yes it would.

Pete_Hoover
Jul 8, 2003, 10:48 AM
I am just hoping for a cheaper, headless mac. Maybe then I can afford to switch. Hopefully alot of new hardware products will be announced since the hardware dude is doing the keynote thingy.

jbomber
Jul 8, 2003, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by 9hundred
the rumors i've read about detacable imac tablet type things sound increadably useful in a new creative type enviroment and this would be the smartest and greatest move by apple for their creative expo release.
yes it would.

I dunno. that seems like a pretty big move (read: something Steve would almost certainly want to/have to introduce)

It's more likely that Joz is giving the presentation because there's a minor update to the PB line, if there's an update at all.

If there isn't an update, I hope he's getting hazard pay. There'll be a ton of disappointed/angry mac users in the audience.

Mokona
Jul 8, 2003, 11:15 AM
To Apple, a 15" update wouldn't be that big (unless they put a g5 in it, when I quizzed an apple representative during a g5 demo in stockholm he quickly replied "you shouldn't expect one this year") so for Jozwiak to do the launch is quite probable.

Hopefully they'll do an update of the 12" and 17" as well. If they don't the pricelevels will have to drop. It is in apples best interest to keep the price/performance ratio between the three models constant (since it seems to maximise profits for all three models).

Powerbook updates are usually not that big a deal. There certainly wasnt that much commotion when they updated the 15" from rev b to rev c.

I'm getting uncertain of the validity of the 15,4" rumor. Maybe they need the extra bulk of the chassis to squeeze something in, but making the screen bigger could jeopardize the 17"-market. Granted, there is a 1,6" difference, but still.

(What I would like to see is an apple response to windows mobile 2003, but that will NEVER happen, Apples PDA ventures died with the newton.)

Just a quick analysis by the market analyst...


/MoKoNa^

johnpaul191
Jul 8, 2003, 11:29 AM
he's the hardware guy, so i'm sure it will be a lot of them flexing the G5's muscles, maybe even more focused on the creative apps. I'm sure they will have G5s out for people to try out and some under glass for people to inspect the innards. I would expect to see a lit of iSight things setup with iChatAV running.

As for the 15inch PB, it seems due anytime now. If the older ones are adequately gone then they may unleash them next week, or a few weeks later. I would think sooner than later.... but then again who knows. If it's "the year of the laptop", i would think we can expect it before christmas? the sooner they update it, the more likely Steve can revamp them at MWSanFran too. Unless i am forgetting somehting, the 12inch and 17inch were last revamped in January, so they are aboput due as well (if you follow the general product cycle).

MasterX (OSiX)
Jul 8, 2003, 11:32 AM
I'm curious to see how Apple handles updating the 15" to the Al series. On one hand they "need" to bump GPU to nVidia to match its brothers and CPU to make buying it worth while. I believe it's possible Apple will update the 15" to Al (case, FW800, BT, no keyboard light, seems like a 17" only thing to me) and then go to say 1.2ghz and do a bump on the 17" to 1.2ghz also (so apple can still sell the 1ghz for less money dont change anything else). And the Superdrive is 1x and it's a shame (ok the real shame is CD-RW performance...)

johnpaul191
Jul 8, 2003, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by jbomber
I dunno. that seems like a pretty big move (read: something Steve would almost certainly want to/have to introduce)

It's more likely that Joz is giving the presentation because there's a minor update to the PB line, if there's an update at all.

If there isn't an update, I hope he's getting hazard pay. There'll be a ton of disappointed/angry mac users in the audience.

well even if Steve Jobs was there, you figure he would pretty much give the same presentation he gave last month, but without the G5 shock. I would assume they will maybe revamp the keynote a bit to cater to creative people as opposed to developers. there may be more demos of apps and whatnot.

a speedbump to the 15" powerbook is not huge news, even if they brought it up to 17" pb specs and upped all the processors a little.... still might not get stage time. i don't see them introducing anything super crazy since the 12" and 17" cases are only 6 months old. then again, it's not like Apple hasn't shocked us all at some point.

rickvanr
Jul 8, 2003, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by betoranaldi
I think the drive right now is 2x dvd-r and 1x dvd-rw what i ment was i am looking for a 4x dvd-r and a 2x dvd-rw drive...

wrong... i wish u were right tho

tdewey
Jul 8, 2003, 12:25 PM
Master X:

The current GPU in the 15" (ATI MR 9000) is better than the GPU in the 17" (Nvidia 440Go) and much better than the GPU in the 12" (420). If anything the GPUs in these machines need to be upgraded to at least match the 9000. Either by upgrading to at least an Nvidia 4200 Go or putting in 9000/9200 on all three platforms.


See e.g., http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/print/0,23102,3402261,00.html (comparison in PC laptops but still valid).

If the 15.4" has a 440 in it, I am buying the Titanium.

Cheers

MasterX (OSiX)
Jul 8, 2003, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by tdewey
Master X:

The current GPU in the 15" (ATI MR 9000) is better than the GPU in the 17" (Nvidia 440Go) and much better than the GPU in the 12" (420). If anything the GPUs in these machines need to be upgraded to at least match the 9000. Either by upgrading to at least an Nvidia 4200 Go or putting in 9000/9200 on all three platforms.


See e.g., http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/print/0,23102,3402261,00.html (comparison in PC laptops but still valid).

If the 15.4" has a 440 in it, I am buying the Titanium.

Cheers

I agree of course, but I was pointing out that Apple will undoubtedly continue their trent of nVidia migration in the powerbook series (unless we're lucky, I always preferred ATi- at least they seem to put effort into their drivers)

tdewey
Jul 8, 2003, 12:37 PM
Yes, you´re right. Migration to NVIDIA seems....inevitable. Too bad because an ATI 9600Pro would be awfully nice in a PB...


Cheers,

Gus
Jul 8, 2003, 12:49 PM
What happened to "The Year of the Laptop"? So far, we had one announcement, and then nothing. Not too much of the "Year" , more like the "3 months of the Laptop".

Regards,
Gus

MasterX (OSiX)
Jul 8, 2003, 12:52 PM
PowerBookG5 December 31st, count on it :D

jbomber
Jul 8, 2003, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by MasterX (OSiX)
PowerBookG5 December 31st, count on it :D


That's what we in the biz refer to as 'crazy-talk'. :D

MasterX (OSiX)
Jul 8, 2003, 01:05 PM
Year the the laptop, 12/31/03 being the last day of this year, get it?

daveL
Jul 8, 2003, 01:09 PM
I think the big thing will be G5 Xservers,
with a rendering farm demo maybe?

Then updated LCD displays, keyboard, and mouse to match up with the G5 PM.

I won't be surprised if there's nothing new on the PB updates.

jbomber
Jul 8, 2003, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by daveL
I think the big thing will be G5 Xservers,
with a rendering farm demo maybe?

Then updated LCD displays, keyboard, and mouse to match up with the G5 PM.

I won't be surprised if there's nothing new on the PB updates.

well then you should probably steer clear of the crowd on wednesday, cuz it will get ugly.

lilpig8
Jul 8, 2003, 01:17 PM
Too much speculation. What are things you know.
1. Steve Jobs is not presenting.
This means no major releases.
This means no new products.
Small releases only if any.
Unless of course Steve Shows up then all bets are off. But don't count on it.
If the Powerbook does get a boost in speed that will be about it. I have heard that motorola's G4's are now at 1.3 Ghz for low power devices.

Only time will tell.

jpryde
Jul 8, 2003, 01:44 PM
If it is in fact the "year of the laptop" it would be in their best interest to have all 3 of the PB G4s sharing the same chassis and technologies. The middle of the road PB should be the best bang for the buck model, and I would hope they would make an effort to have it on the same levels as the 12" and 17" models.

I was speaking to an Apple reseller about this, and he suggested I wait and see what happens in the next month, because it would be in my best interest to wait for the aluminum enclosure. One major reason is the strength of the signal with airport networking, because in the aluminum 12" PB, the antennas are closer to the edge, and the aluminum doesn't impede the signal as much as the Titanium. I'll need every bit of signal strength I can get on our wireless network.

lilpig8
Jul 8, 2003, 02:05 PM
Apple needs to redesign the aluminum encloser first...the aluminum conducts too much heat. The powerbook gets too hot. right now I would stay with the titanium until it gets better.

as far as the antenna goes buy an external antenna. it is cheeper than a powerbook

AppleMatt
Jul 8, 2003, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by lilpig8
Apple needs to redesign the aluminum encloser first...the aluminum conducts too much heat. The powerbook gets too hot. right now I would stay with the titanium until it gets better.

as far as the antenna goes buy an external antenna. it is cheeper than a powerbook

No, they need to redesign the interior IF they consider it a problem. Have you felt a PC laptop recently? Only the 12" has people complaining about this, and having owned 3 12" PowerBooks, and following advice, I can tell you it's a non-issue.

Why would you buy an external antenna for a portable?

AppleMatt

edit: What would be nice:

1.3GHz 17"
1.2GHz 15"
1GHz 12"

sososowhat
Jul 8, 2003, 02:46 PM
It's not a "PRO" app, but it is "creative", and it's the only thing that drives me NUTS about my mac. I've got a G4/1Ghz, 1.75G RAM and iPhoto just kills the machine when you try & manage more than abut 3000 photos (I've got >10,000).

Worse, it seems to me that 3rd party people (like fototime who've got a great viewer/library manager for the PC) won't do apps for the Mac because Apple will get 95% of the market with their free iPhoto. APPLE, if you're listening: allow a timeline sort like fototime's, and Nested photo albums, and better keyword management, and configurable library location, and, etc. etc.

btw: I do use iPhoto library manager, but it's a pain in the butt & not a solution.

Soon: LOTS of people will have thousands of photos, and lots of people will be disappointed with their Mac experience.

Apple: PLEASE FIX THIS.

AppleMatt
Jul 8, 2003, 03:10 PM
I've just thought...if Apple are letting people mess around on new G5's, they must have 10.2.7 almost finalised.

Hopefully it'll be appearing in Software Update soon...

Matt

pfonke
Jul 8, 2003, 03:17 PM
What are the odds that any pbook upgrade includes an L3 cache for the 12"? Would this bring its features too close to the 15", or bump the price up?

QuiteSure
Jul 8, 2003, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by sososowhat
It's not a "PRO" app, but it is "creative", and it's the only thing that drives me NUTS about my mac. I've got a G4/1Ghz, 1.75G RAM and iPhoto just kills the machine when you try & manage more than abut 3000 photos (I've got >10,000).

Worse, it seems to me that 3rd party people (like fototime who've got a great viewer/library manager for the PC) won't do apps for the Mac because Apple will get 95% of the market with their free iPhoto. APPLE, if you're listening: allow a timeline sort like fototime's, and Nested photo albums, and better keyword management, and configurable library location, and, etc. etc.

btw: I do use iPhoto library manager, but it's a pain in the butt & not a solution.

Soon: LOTS of people will have thousands of photos, and lots of people will be disappointed with their Mac experience.

Apple: PLEASE FIX THIS.

Totally agree. One of the appeals of digital photography is that you can take unlimited photos. I have close to 2000 photos in my library, and iPhoto needs help.

tdewey
Jul 8, 2003, 04:01 PM
though I am not positive, that Amazon has very recently chopped the prices on the 15" and 17" PB. The 15" by $100 and 17" by more than $100...in fact the 17" is now cheaper than the educational price on Apple by $30.00. I dont remember them being this cheap when I was looking in the last week or so...but I cant remember for certain.

Dont know if this is related to new PBs or just...

Hope this isnt old news...

Cheers,

AppleMatt
Jul 8, 2003, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by pfonke
What are the odds that any pbook upgrade includes an L3 cache for the 12"? Would this bring its features too close to the 15", or bump the price up?

Forgot about that, Virtual PC and UT2003 blows without L3 cache.

Whether it will come or not? Apple are well aware that the current lack is a major complaint, but Apple are also notorious for thinking they know best.

AppleMatt

donigian
Jul 8, 2003, 10:09 PM
As much stuff as Apple has done to show that they no longer support the "MacWorld" of the East Coast I really don't think Apple would glorify it with the release of their precious Powerbook.

NNO-Stephen
Jul 8, 2003, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by pfonke
What are the odds that any pbook upgrade includes an L3 cache for the 12"? Would this bring its features too close to the 15", or bump the price up?

I'd love some L3 Cache in there, but it would bring the price up as that stuff is quite pricey from what I hear.

Mokona
Jul 9, 2003, 04:26 AM
Originally posted by lilpig8
Apple needs to redesign the aluminum encloser first...the aluminum conducts too much heat. The powerbook gets too hot. right now I would stay with the titanium until it gets better.

as far as the antenna goes buy an external antenna. it is cheeper than a powerbook

I can tell you right now, I do not want a redesign of the aluminium enclosure.

Imagine, instead of that heat going out of the tiny box that it is, that the heat stays inside... We're talking serious heat issues here...

As AppleMatt said, they need to work around internal heat problems first.

jbomber
Jul 10, 2003, 01:32 AM
Originally posted by Mokona
I can tell you right now, I do not want a redesign of the aluminium enclosure.

Imagine, instead of that heat going out of the tiny box that it is, that the heat stays inside... We're talking serious heat issues here...

As AppleMatt said, they need to work around internal heat problems first.

Maybe Apple can mock up a little iGridle so the heat issue is a perk, not a problem.

Look, scrambled eggs!

:)

AppleMatt
Jul 10, 2003, 11:53 AM
Originally posted by NNO-Stephen
I'd love some L3 Cache in there, but it would bring the price up as that stuff is quite pricey from what I hear.

So's the PowerBook! I did not realise the performance hit removing it would bring, but now I do, I'd like it back please Apple!

Originally posted by Mokona
I can tell you right now, I do not want a redesign of the aluminium enclosure.

Imagine, instead of that heat going out of the tiny box that it is, that the heat stays inside... We're talking serious heat issues here...

As AppleMatt said, they need to work around internal heat problems first.


Definately, I'd rather have the heat outside of my PowerBook than inside, I wouldn't be too happy in a years time when components died.

AppleMatt