OS X 10.4.10 Released

[psychofreak]

Nope, it was just doing you a favor and turning on hiding. :) Just kidding, though of course everyone knows the Dock should have hiding enabled and always be on the left side of the screen. :D

Exactamundo!

[willybNL]

Should my "Universal Access" icon look like this in System Preferences?

http://s181.photobucket.com/albums/x153/Toadstool_42/?action=view&current=prefs.jpg

http://s181.photobucket.com/albums/x153/Toadstool_42/?action=view&current=prefs.jpg
:confused:

Had similar thing, though on the button 'international' when i updated into 10.4.8 a while ago... stayed there till 10.4.9 ... so who knows...

little bug somewhere :)

[Westside guy]

Welcome to the wonderful world of Unix, Apple. You're not somebody until you have a double-digit minor revision number. :D

Although having an actual release sorta goes against code - you're supposed to be at version 0.xxx.xx forever...

[offwidafairies]

:D love an update
gives me something to download other than porn

[jellomizer]

If I recall this is the first time an Apple OS has reached the double digits for an update. I could be wrong though.

Well normally the next version of OS X would normally be out now. Except it got delayed because of the iPhone.

[wrldwzrd89]

Just installed, no issues to report so far. The fixes mentioned in the Apple Support article don't really pertain to me though.

[clevin]

I hate this
I want security update
but seems each update makes system even slower, is apple capable of making good patches?:mad:

[DanB91]

YaY! I'm still using 10.3.9 becuase Apple wasted it's Leopard time on the iPhone. YaY!!!!!!!!!! I get to wait even longer! I couldn't be happier!!!

what does this have anything to do w/ 10.4.10? And why dont u have tiger?

[Bern]

Had similar thing, though on the button 'international' when i updated into 10.4.8 a while ago... stayed there till 10.4.9 ... so who knows...

little bug somewhere :)

Go to you User/Library/Preferences and delete "com.apple.universalaccess.plist" do a restart and it will be fixed.

[AidenShaw]

Welcome to the wonderful world of Unix, Apple. You're not somebody until you have a double-digit minor revision number. :D

How about quad digit?

[psychofreak]

Maybe its the placebo effect (and I haven't tried any networking) but does Finder browsing seem snappier now?

[gikku]

Welcome to the wonderful world of Unix, Apple. You're not somebody until you have a double-digit minor revision number. :D


doesn't the build number count? 8P2218, six digits.

[displaced]

Although having an actual release sorta goes against code - you're supposed to be at version 0.xxx.xx forever...

Ahhh, another person who browses sourceforge.net, I see!

Worth it though... there's some genuine open-source gold in that thar crapola mountain!

[psychofreak]

doesn't the build number count? 8P2218, six digits.

I think you mean six characters (its alphanumeric) :)

[frankzeg]

A call to Apple and 90 minutes later I am having to do a clean reinstall to remedy my inability to log in to my primary account. The tech support people had not even heard of the update. Such a nice way to waste an afternoon. I only hope that I can get boot camp to function since I need to run Studiotools NOW.

z

[zioxide]

YaY! I'm still using 10.3.9 becuase Apple wasted it's Leopard time on the iPhone. YaY!!!!!!!!!! I get to wait even longer! I couldn't be happier!!!

wow.. that's stupid. why the hell don't you have tiger

[tmoney468]

I learned from the previous Mac OS update (10.4.9) to repair my disk permissions before installing the update, as I had to do a repair install last time. Just installed it, now time to reboot....(*crosses fingers*).

[MrSmith]

venturing in the new realm of double digit updates... feels kinda weird
<chetongueek>
Weird? I had to take to my bed. Except I couldn't rest on account of being unable to reconcile 10.4.10 with 10.4.9. I mean, shouldn't it have been 10.4.09?
</chetongueek>

I learned from the previous Mac OS update (10.4.9) to repair my disk permissions before installing the update, as I had to do a repair install last time. Just installed it, now time to reboot....(*crosses fingers*).
I thought this should be done after the update?

[Hls811]

OnyX has stopped working for me after the update.

I get the message "OnyX will not work with this version of Mac OS X".

Mine works fine.. 10.4.10

OnyX 1.8.0

[MikeTheC]

Just put 10.4.10 on my iMac G4 800 and my PB 1.5, and now they crash twice as fast as before!!!












Alright, alright, I'm just kidding, folks. They both seem to work just fine.

But I am wondering why my Mac is now telling me it has Super Cow Powers.

[66217]

but it isn't .10 ...it's 10.4.10 where the . is not a decimal point.

Of course it is worse than that, because if you are being pedantic and trying to claim that this is a number and 10.4.10 is the same as 10.4.1 ...

I don't know any numbers with _two_ decimal points.

I was just trying to explain why Stewie said what he said about .10 being the same to .1

I am not trying to create controversy or being pedantic.;)

[Cindynjgirl79]

got it woohoo eh

[Ticcioni]

N/a

[dukeblue91]

Nice,
Install went fine and all systems are a go.

[Cabbit]

ok so now that i have installed the 10.4.10 upgrade and its messed up my ability to connect to my extrernal hard drive how do i down grade to 10.4.9 i tryed installing the 10.4.9 combo upgrade but it wont allow me to.

[lu0s3r322]

is it just me or did the sound levels change AGAIN.

first they were bad, could barely hear anything at like the first 3 levels.

then in one of the updates, probably 10.4.9 they made it louder, now they bring it back down

choose one!

[iMeowbot]

ok so now that i have installed the 10.4.10 upgrade and its messed up my ability to connect to my extrernal hard drive how do i down grade to 10.4.9 i tryed installing the 10.4.9 combo upgrade but it wont allow me to.
You can archive and install from your Tigger disc, then update back to 10.4.9 :/

[66217]

is it just me or did the sound levels change AGAIN.

first they were bad, could barely hear anything at like the first 3 levels.

then in one of the updates, probably 10.4.9 they made it louder, now they bring it back down

choose one!

Thanks, I was beginning to think I was going nuts. I remember that with 10.4.9 the volume in my MB increased (just one or two lines would suffice if I was in my room).
Now with 10.4.10 the max volume is the same. But 2 lines won't suffice, at least 6 lines are required to have the same volume as before.

[EagerDragon]

Grr... No Olympus E-510/410 RAW support lovin'. Oh well, maybe next time around... :rolleyes:

What do you do mean time?

[hagjohn]

Took a long time but all seems fine now...

Booting is taking a long time and I seem to be stuck on "Starting Mac OS X" screen....

[SheriffParker]

My new Leica D-Lux 3 has a new home! :)

Mee too. :)

[ryannel2003]

Installed it on my iBook G4, and everything seems to be running great. Honestly, the only update I have noticed is that Safari seems much faster than it did before.

[Toadstool]

:D love an update
gives me something to download other than porn

Oh, bad news dude! You should have read the release notes...

"10.4.10 update includes Spotlight update to search and delete all pornography and Safari update to prevent access to all porno websites." :p

[mixel]

If Safari and the Finder really went faster(/snappier) every time people claimed they did after updates, they'd be pre-empting user input by now. :p

Hmm, sofar no problems anyway. Everything seems the same. Maybe it'll fix some of my Powermac's USB power management issues though.. I doubt it.

[Steve1496]

Working great for me. Installed on 3 machines and running well.

[soLoredd]

Just installed the update and everything seems to work fine except that i get this "thump" noise similar to the noise when you switch of/sleep the computer. It's only audible when i have my external speakers plugged in.

Every time the computer needs to make a sound you can hear this noise through the speakers and then after about 30 sec. of inactivity you can hear it again. Seems like the update switched on some power saving feature of the sound card... It sounds exactly like the sound you get through the speakers when you switch on the computer and then when you switch it off.

I'm on a 15" C2D MBP. Anybody getting the same issue?

:confused:

Yup, have same thing going on here. C2D MB. Thing is, I've noticed it even before the .10 update BUT it seems more frequent now. Not sure what it is because when I'm just using the MB speakers it doesn't do it.

Strange stuff for sure.

[Maccus Aurelius]

Whew, all's well, kinda long dual startup, but otherwise it's roses. Ah trusty macbook, not a single update has done you wrong.

[aranhamo]

ok so now that i have installed the 10.4.10 upgrade and its messed up my ability to connect to my extrernal hard drive how do i down grade to 10.4.9 i tryed installing the 10.4.9 combo upgrade but it wont allow me to.

Go back and check page 10 where your question was already answered.

[p0intblank]

Ah, the long awaited .10 update is finally here! This is my first time seeing this as a Mac user. Downloading now... :)

[danny_w]

Yup, have same thing going on here. C2D MB. Thing is, I've noticed it even before the .10 update BUT it seems more frequent now. Not sure what it is because when I'm just using the MB speakers it doesn't do it.

Strange stuff for sure.
I have been noticing some kind of scratchy / pop noise from the external speakers whenever they have been idle for a while and something needs to make some audio start up, and this is on 10.4.9 on a C2D MB. I thought something was wrong and have been asking both here and on the Apple site. You are the first one that I have heard of that also has the same thing happen. Any idea where I can get more info on this?

[Anonymous Freak]

venturing in the new realm of double digit updates... feels kinda weird

but i hope this means that maybe they will support Tiger a bit after leopard is out, since its such a widely used OS

Yeah, we've had 6.0.8, 7.5.5 (with 3 updates to that!), 10.2.8, and 10.3.9. Now we're to the first x.x.10. With Apple's 'double-dot' scheme, it's not really unexpected, as each number is a separate number, not a simple decimal progression.

As for support after the next release, if 10.4.10 is still the current when Leopard comes out, we'll probably see a 10.4.11, and that's it. That's the way it has been so far. Only one update after the new OS; usually to bring a few of the new OS's under-the-hood changes back. (For example, there is lots of software that requires "10.2.8 or later" or "10.3.9 or later", instead of just outright requiring 10.3 or 10.4. We'll probably see that. We'll see software with "10.4.11 or later" instead of outright denying Tiger.)

[slidingjon]

It took over 20 minutes to restart on my first gen 17" iMac Core Duo.
All is fine now.

[billchase2]

after a double restart on my powerbook, we're good to go.

[EagerDragon]

PB 15 1.67 10.4.9, download was 22.1 mb

[Chip NoVaMac]

Yeah, we've had 6.0.8, 7.5.5 (with 3 updates to that!), 10.2.8, and 10.3.9. Now we're to the first x.x.10. With Apple's 'double-dot' scheme, it's not really unexpected, as each number is a separate number, not a simple decimal progression.

As for support after the next release, if 10.4.10 is still the current when Leopard comes out, we'll probably see a 10.4.11, and that's it. That's the way it has been so far. Only one update after the new OS; usually to bring a few of the new OS's under-the-hood changes back. (For example, there is lots of software that requires "10.2.8 or later" or "10.3.9 or later", instead of just outright requiring 10.3 or 10.4. We'll probably see that. We'll see software with "10.4.11 or later" instead of outright denying Tiger.)

I just wonder when we as consumers will stop the madness... I just bought a MacBook today. Why should I be forced to pay for for OS X 10.5 to get Nikon D300 support later this year or early next year? The same goes for Adobe with support for newer cameras.

We are like "John's" that have a favorite "whore". We are just willing to pay the price.

[Multimedia]

Hope its not too big a dload, I'm using dial up on holidays!The PPC Combo is only 165MB (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosx10410comboupdateppc.html). But the Intel Combo Is 293MB (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosx10410comboupdateintel.html). :eek: :p

[Fuchal]

I have been noticing some kind of scratchy / pop noise from the external speakers whenever they have been idle for a while and something needs to make some audio start up, and this is on 10.4.9 on a C2D MB. I thought something was wrong and have been asking both here and on the Apple site. You are the first one that I have heard of that also has the same thing happen. Any idea where I can get more info on this?

I have a C2D MB as well. Since 10.4.10, I have this problem all the time. What it is is: Normally, on battery power, when you don't play any sounds for say, 30 seconds, power management kicks in and turns off the speakers / audio circuitry. When it turns back on, it makes a tiny pop sound.

For some reason, in 10.4.10, it is disabling the speakers/audio after 30 seconds or so, on AC POWER... when it should leave it on all the time. This means when my computer is plugged into my speakers, I hear a pop noise all the time when people send IMs, etc that are around 30 seconds or more apart.

ANNOYING. I don't know what to do about it other than leave music playing all the time. I guess its time to reformat and install 10.4.9 :D

[MrSmith]

:D love an update
gives me something to download other than porn

If Safari and the Finder really went faster(/snappier) every time people claimed they did after updates, they'd be pre-empting user input by now.

...and offwidafairies would never leave his desk :D

[SamIchi]

Updated and my screen dims after a few minutes now. I went to check the energy settings preferences and he item wasn't checked and on top of that, my computer doesn't sleep unless I manually do it. Hmm this doesn't effect me at all but I find it wierd.

[Daedalus]

I have a C2D MB as well. Since 10.4.10, I have this problem all the time. What it is is: Normally, on battery power, when you don't play any sounds for say, 30 seconds, power management kicks in and turns off the speakers / audio circuitry. When it turns back on, it makes a tiny pop sound.

I'm now getting the same issue on my Mini CD1.66. Never had it in previous versions, it's something new with 10.4.10.

It's not a big deal, I'm sure I'll cope. Just a mild annoyance. But it's apparently not limited to the MBs.

[Toadstool]

Updated and my screen dims after a few minutes now. I went to check the energy settings preferences and he item wasn't checked and on top of that, my computer doesn't sleep unless I manually do it. Hmm this doesn't effect me at all but I find it wierd.

My Macbook Pro has always dimmed even though the energy settings preferences wasn't checked. Whenever I reboot, I go in and check/uncheck it again and it works until the next reboot.

[mazola]

I'm underwhelmed...

[pake]

Okay so I dont want to sound like a Noobie... But I read a while back before the SR chips shipped out in the MBP units the 10.4.10 update would contain support for the SR... Has anyone noticed performance increase at all with the SR? Also are people having Kernal problems after the update?:apple:


I think it did. On Power PC it was around 22Mb, on intel around 50Mb and specifically on SR someone said before it was around 80Mb; so some things must have been different.

[Vertig0]

My Macbook Pro has always dimmed even though the energy settings preferences wasn't checked. Whenever I reboot, I go in and check/uncheck it again and it works until the next reboot.
Hm... Now that you mention it, I've got this issue too with my rev. C MBP.

[Kingsly]

Was this here before? :confused:

[verniesgarden]

Was this here before? :confused:

part of safari 3

[MrSmith]

Is this Leopard?

I'm underwhelmed...
This made me laugh out loud. :D

[Cameront9]

Was this here before? :confused:

It's part of the Safari 3 Beta. Don't see it on my Safari 2 install.

[TantalizedMind]

How does this make your wait longer?

If it wasn't for the iPhone, Leopard would be out this month.

[Toadstool]

If it wasn't for the iPhone, Leopard would be out this month.

Yes, but won't it be more enjoyable reading all the threads on here with pictures of iPhones with cracked/shattered glass fronts next month instead of enjoying a new OS? :)

[verniesgarden]

well look at this logic, if leopard was released on schedule and we got it this month it would of been what the beta is, so go an undisclosed website and get an undisclosed file and receive another undisclosed file and get what should of been ours this month... being that you will actually BUY it in oct

[SiliconAddict]

- RAW camera support
- Mounting and unmounting external USB devices
- Support for 3rd party software applications
- Security updates




So Apple has gotten better at mounting things, is using better protection, and its voyeur capabilities have been enhanced? Noted. :D

[jasonh779]

Just installed this on my MB C2D and it is running brilliantly! Better than ever.

[Sbrocket]

Is this Leopard?

I'm underwhelmed...

You're kidding me, right? Please tell me you're kidding... :confused:

[dartzorichalcos]

The PPC Combo is only 165MB (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosx10410comboupdateppc.html). But the Intel Combo Is 293MB (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosx10410comboupdateintel.html). :eek: :p

Will the Intel Version ever compare to the PPC version with size? Why is the Intel Version always larger?

[norcalstadium]

when leopard comes out, can you just instal it through software update, or is a separate disk necessary?

thanks

[Sbrocket]

when leopard comes out, can you just instal it through software update, or is a separate disk necessary?

thanks

Since Leopard is a separate product, you'll need to order it either online or through a retail location like a local Apple Store. The box will include one or more install disks that you'll use to upgrade your Mac to Leopard.

[dartzorichalcos]

when leopard comes out, can you just instal it through software update, or is a separate disk necessary?

Leopard is going to be on a DVD and Leopard will cost $129.

[Yurtra]

Was this here before? :confused:

I am SO buying Leopard for this.

[Toadstool]

when leopard comes out, can you just instal it through software update, or is a separate disk necessary?

thanks

You need to buy a separate disk. Apple hasn't distributed new major versions of the OS online before.

[SeaFox]

It'll probably go all the way to 11 [/bad joke] just before Leopard is released.

That would ROCK!

[TheChemist]

Should I install the 'patch' or the 'combo'?

[MonkeyClaw]

So Apple has gotten better at mounting things, is using better protection, and its voyeur capabilities have been enhanced? Noted. :D

That was beautiful good sir!

[verniesgarden]

So Apple has gotten better at mounting things, is using better protection, and its voyeur capabilities have been enhanced? Noted. :D

maybe apple is getting ready to ****** vista, and doesnt want to get any of those nasty viruses... windows the dirty whore of operating systems

[SeaFox]

WRONG! Look in the taskbar...its just like you CAN just pull out a drive from OSX, but you risk the same dangers in both OSs...
Thumb drives are set by Windows to be "write immediate" devices. It doesn't cache read/write operations and execute them later like it may with a hard drive. So as long as you've closed all apps and aren't doing any file copies or opening folders on the drive, things should be fine.

There's no reason OSX can't do this.

[artifex]

Where are my Safari bookmarks? the upgrade ate 'em!!!!!!

:(

Seriously, I want them back. How could they do this to me?

[lord patton]

YaY! I'm still using 10.3.9 becuase Apple wasted it's Leopard time on the iPhone. YaY!!!!!!!!!! I get to wait even longer! I couldn't be happier!!!

Same here. Panther-powered PowerBook leaves very little to be desired!

[kcroy]

Maybe it's my imagination, but everything seems faster, esp m' browser.:D

[dernhelm]

Just installing update now.

Just one question, since the three digits (10, 4, and 10) are NOT a decimal, could this be Apple's first palindromic release number since OS/X was released?

[ppnkg]

hehe...10.4.10... so this is leopard, no?

Seriously now. Just installed it, works ok, but no visible difference. I guess I should read what the update was about.

[danny_w]

I have a C2D MB as well. Since 10.4.10, I have this problem all the time. What it is is: Normally, on battery power, when you don't play any sounds for say, 30 seconds, power management kicks in and turns off the speakers / audio circuitry. When it turns back on, it makes a tiny pop sound.

For some reason, in 10.4.10, it is disabling the speakers/audio after 30 seconds or so, on AC POWER... when it should leave it on all the time. This means when my computer is plugged into my speakers, I hear a pop noise all the time when people send IMs, etc that are around 30 seconds or more apart.

ANNOYING. I don't know what to do about it other than leave music playing all the time. I guess its time to reformat and install 10.4.9 :D
I'm on 10.4.9, external speakers, and ac power. I get the pop / whoosh sound when the audio starts up after it has been idle for a while.

[Toadstool]

Just installed it, works ok, but no visible difference. I guess I should read what the update was about.

Something about Bluetooth, but it still doesn't support A2DP so still crappy audio.

Also, something about USB external drive support and some people have had problems getting their external drives recognized. I checked mine and it seems to work fine.

[Infrared]

Thanks, I was beginning to think I was going nuts. I remember that with 10.4.9 the volume in my MB increased (just one or two lines would suffice if I was in my room).
Now with 10.4.10 the max volume is the same. But 2 lines won't suffice, at least 6 lines are required to have the same volume as before.

Yes, a very welcome change. After the last update I had to
make millimetric adjustments at the lower end of the slider.
Now I can use the volume keys again to access reasonable
(i.e., not ear bursting) volumes. Good job, Apple.

[rye9]

I read nothing of a double restart however when I updated it did so, is this ok?

[Toadstool]

I read nothing of a double restart however when I updated it did so, is this ok?

Yep... mine restarted and sat there for several minutes, and then restarted again and everything was ok.

[rye9]

Yep... mine restarted and sat there for several minutes, and then restarted again and everything was ok.

Alright thanks :)

[gmanrique]

to reduce the number of clicks:

just click (not right-click) on the USB icon shown in the tray and choose your device from the sown list of USB devices. That's it, one click, maybe two.

My thumb drive's manual says that it must be designated as non-removable in order to work on XP (and I have verified that it doesn't work otherwise). This particular thumb drive is the only kind allowed where I work because of its particular encryption features (which I don't even use). When I pull it out without ejecting it, I get an error window warning me of possible data loss. To properly eject it, I count 6 clicks of the mouse.

To properly eject the same drive on my Mac is one mouse click and a single keystroke.

[SheriffParker]

If it wasn't for the iPhone, Leopard would be out this month.

Thank goodness its not the other way around. I want me an iPhone! Leopard can wait.

[xsedrinam]

I read nothing of a double restart however when I updated it did so, is this ok?
This update and one of the last two SecurityUpdates did that. You should be fine.

[elguille]

Does this mean new Powerbooks G5's on Tuesday?

I hope so!!!!! finally i'll upgrade my old PB G4!!!

[jshbckr]

Just installed the update on my Mac Pro (8-core) and ran Geekbench.

8922

Not too shabby :D

[flopticalcube]

Close to the 9000 mark. How much RAM do you have?

[Alloye]

I've been running 10.4.10 on my SR MBP for several hours this evening. It works great! No problems. Like others have reported, I also had a double restart after install.

[Multimedia]

Should I install the 'patch' or the 'combo'?I always install the combo just to make sure everything is covered. Others think it makes no difference. I do. Call it superstition or just plain old conservatism. I'd rather be safe than sorry something was overlooked due to a glitch in a previous update or a hidden correction in something from a previous version.

[Multimedia]

YaY! I'm still using 10.3.9 becuase Apple wasted it's Leopard time on the iPhone. YaY!!!!!!!!!! I get to wait even longer! I couldn't be happier!!!Same here. Panther-powered PowerBook leaves very little to be desired!Except the Oxford Thesaurus and Dictionary... :rolleyes:

[ITR 81]

Only 22.2mb for me on PPC.

Any RAW update makes me happy.

:)

[Malus]

I'm on 10.4.9, external speakers, and ac power. I get the pop / whoosh sound when the audio starts up after it has been idle for a while.

I was on 10.4.9 as well and my speakers would crack and go in and out during music and the aim sounds. I reformated my computer and just updated to 10.4.8 lol....no crackling at all, so I think im just gonna wait til Leopard comes out and see whats going on with that. Unless someone can confirm that the speakers problem is fixed in 10.4.10

[andyh2]

I can't update...this hotel internet sucks....too slow, and if I download, it sucks up all my bandwidth.

[cutsman]

I was on 10.4.9 as well and my speakers would crack and go in and out during music and the aim sounds. I reformated my computer and just updated to 10.4.8 lol....no crackling at all, so I think im just gonna wait til Leopard comes out and see whats going on with that. Unless someone can confirm that the speakers problem is fixed in 10.4.10

Funny enough, I never had this issue on my iMac running 10.4.9. I just upgraded to 10.4.10 and now i get the popping in my speakers... and its driving me NUTS!!!! This is beyond annoying... please don't tell me I need to reformat just to fix this....

Anyone know a fix??

[Marlon_JBT]

Then my friend you must not have been around during the GREAT 10.2.8 UPDATE...

Apple released that update and then a lot of people were left with $1000-$3000 paper weights on their desks and laps. What was it folks, 2 days later???? that Apple released Ver 2 or 10.2.8 to fix the pulled update.

Ahh, yes. I remember that. I don't even remember what my PowerBook was doing, but it was NOT good. Apple pulled it, then re-released it... and whoever had a WORKING computer didn't even want to install 10.2.8.1 (lol) because they were afraid it would make things even worse. :)

I don't think anybody had a pleasurable experience with the (first) 10.2.8.

[Myrddin]

Yup, have same thing going on here. C2D MB. Thing is, I've noticed it even before the .10 update BUT it seems more frequent now. Not sure what it is because when I'm just using the MB speakers it doesn't do it.

Strange stuff for sure.

Same thing here. After some seconds of silence: pop. When using sound again: pop. MacBook Core Duo, 2GHz, 2GB, external speakers.

[offwidafairies]

...and offwidafairies would never leave his desk :D

hehe im a 'she' :p

[TheChemist]

I always install the combo just to make sure everything is covered. Others think it makes no difference. I do. Call it superstition or just plain old conservatism. I'd rather be safe than sorry something was overlooked due to a glitch in a previous update or a hidden correction in something from a previous version.

Thank You.

Shall do right now.:)

[iQuit]

It took me two restarts as well to get my computer to boot after the update. :confused:

Safari indeed seems snappier.

[chriswg]

I apologize if this has been answered, but what is the difference between the Combo and the Patch?

[brettjohn]

safari seems faster for me too...but maybe its just wishful thinking

otherwise my MBP seems to be running as normal

[Aperture]

Hmm, interesting discovery. (May have been already found, don't care to read the other pages)

I tried installing a piece of software and it told me I need 10.4.3 or higher. It is reading the update as 10.4.1. Weird.

[gikku]

I apologize if this has been answered, but what is the difference between the Combo and the Patch?

Combo will update anything from 10.4 (10.4.4 for intel) through 10.4.9 upto 10.4.10 in one hit.
Patch will only update from 10.4.9 to 10.4.10, it cannot be applied to 10.4.8 or earlier.

[pjarvi]

Installed on 1st generation MacBook (black), after the usual 2 reboots, no problems to report. No audio problems either, and I've been watching TV on it since the install was complete.

[cheunghy]

UNO says it requires 10.4.4 or later...

[Aperture]

UNO says it requires 10.4.4 or later...

True, but I'm talking about programs with actual dedicated installers. Can anyone else confirm my findings?

[whatever]

Ahh, yes. I remember that. I don't even remember what my PowerBook was doing, but it was NOT good. Apple pulled it, then re-released it... and whoever had a WORKING computer didn't even want to install 10.2.8.1 (lol) because they were afraid it would make things even worse. :)

I don't think anybody had a pleasurable experience with the (first) 10.2.8.

I've been installing and upgrading OS X since the beta and I've never had to reformat my drive and start over. What exactly are you people doing to your machines? Or am I just that lucky.

Today I updated my Apple TV, a 500MHz G4 (remember the Super Computer), a dual 1GHZ Quicksilver G4 and my 3GHz Quad. All without problem.

[Mac OS X Ocelot]

I think you were looking for ≠ (option + =, or some awful ALT + four-digit number on Windows). :)

The problem is that software makers are using a convention that involves numbers and decimal points / periods -- whether they intend for it to be considered as a decimal number or not. If software makers used commas (10,4,10), dashes (10-4-10), or some other character, it wouldn't have the same alternate connotation. Sure, using two decimal points indicates that it's not meant to be taken as a literal decimal number, but that doesn't eliminate the fact that the digit immediately to the right of a decimal point is taken to have the same precision as the digit immediately to the right of another decimal point, regardless of what other digits might be present to the right of that digit.

On the other hand, Apple could have placed the updates another digit out, inserting a zero before the first nine updates (10.4.08, 10.4.09, 10.4.10), staying more consistent with decimal notation but allowing for more than ten updates. (Of course, had Leopard been out this Spring, we might not have seen a 10.4.10.) At least we haven't gone for the zaniness of Firefox (version 2.0.0.4 anyone? looks more like an IP address than a software version).

10.4.09 just looks weird, and when does Apple ever plan on releasing an eleventh version of any version of OS X? In my opinion, if you see 10.4.10 and assume it means 10.4.1 that's your own fault. If they were going to say 10.4.1 they'd just say it. And Firefox 2.0.0.4 does look weird, but this version couldn't be 10.4.9.1 or anything because it's the same kind of upgrade as 10.4.8 to 10.4.9 was, not just a minor fix of 10.4.9, so that would be even more incongruent with their current version naming than (oh noes!) adding a zero to a non-number.

[pengu]

hehe im a 'she' :p
you must be like the first girl ever on the intarweb! ;)
everybody knows its just greasy linux users and old men (pretending to be 17 yr old "sexually confused" girls)

Thumb drives are set by Windows to be "write immediate" devices. It doesn't cache read/write operations and execute them later like it may with a hard drive. So as long as you've closed all apps and aren't doing any file copies or opening folders on the drive, things should be fine.

There's no reason OSX can't do this.

um. actually, as much as microsoft says its "safe" to use thumb drives this way, past experience with corrupted data has taught me to remove/unmount devices "safely/properly" before unplugging, regardless of the settings for read/write cacheing.

[pengu]

In my opinion, if you see 10.4.10 and assume it means 10.4.1 that's your own fault.

exactly. anyone complaining about the mathematical value of 10.4.10 and NOT understanding that a number can't have two decimal places has no valid argument to make.

its this simple people.

10.4 = number or string

10.4.1 = string
10.4.10 = string

and for those who understand code.


if(inYourMind("10.4.1" == "10.4.10"))
{
echo("You are an idiot");
}

[Sbrocket]

<snip>....

and for those who understand code.


if(inYourMind("10.4.1" == "10.4.10"))
{
echo("You are an idiot");
}



We have a winner, folks! :p :D

[vohdoun]

Forgive me if I upset anyone, but this has to be said. I've been chuckling somewhat in the past at this discussion regarding 10.4.10 and even from its release.

It's so sad that many individuals make out as if the world is going to stop because its labelled 10.4.10, seriously what the hell. Who cares. Can nobody count, too many act as if they have just discoveed 10 comes after 9.

It's almost as bad when we hit the year 2000, oh the world will end!! well not to the same extent :sarcasm: but nevertheless the same fuss lies within.
Deary me, all this fuss over a number. What will we think of next! :rolleyes:

As for the second, now I appreciate there will be many new Mac users browsing here but for others these two reboots are not a new thing. If I remember correctly these 2 reboots started since 10.4.6 and has remained since. Which has been well known now.

Now play on boys and girls! :)

[MrSmith]

We have a winner, folks! :p :D
I couldn't read it cos' he didn't tell me to break out of html. :cool: :p

[FadeToBlack]

Installed it and everything's fine, except that now, when I quit playing music, a couple of seconds go by, then I get the sound like I'm turning my speakers on and off. That's about the only way I can describe it. Odd. My speakers are the Bose Companion 2's....and they don't have an on and off switch. Gonna install the combo update and see if it fixes it.

I didn't read through the whole thread. Anyone else having a similar issue?

[backspinner]

and for those who understand code.


Fatal error: Call to undefined function inYourMind() in /Users/backspinner/Sites/tigerversion.php on line 3

:D

[WildPalms]

Mac OS 8.6 is still supported (a 10 year old OS), I think Tiger is gonna be around for a while.

Just curious.....

Why do you believe that OS 8.6 is still supported? Is there a link on the Apple website? I thought support for 8.6 was dropped.

[pengu]

Fatal error: Call to undefined function inYourMind() in /Users/backspinner/Sites/tigerversion.php on line 3

:D

you need to include this file:


<?php
include('brainwavereader.inc.php');

function inYourMind($code)
{
$mind = new BrainWaveReader();

$mind->findBrain('backspinner');
$mind->attachToBrain();

$translated = $mind->convertCodeToThought($code);

return $mind->processThought($translated);
}

?>

[MrSmith]

Just curious.....

Why do you believe that OS 8.6 is still supported? Is there a link on the Apple website? I thought support for 8.6 was dropped.
Well, you can download 8.6.5.2.54 from there. That's a funny decimal. Shouldn't it be...oh, never mind...

[FadeToBlack]

Installed the Combo update and it's still doing it. Hmm. It's not just when I'm playing music, either. It's just like every once in a while, I hear the "bonk" sound like when you're turning off your speakers. That's about the only way I can think of to describe it. Very odd.

This is the first time in my 3 years of Mac use that I've had something really annoying like this happen with a system update.

[mhe]

This update appears to have borked my system (MacBook). After install and reboot the login screen comes up and after clicking on my name I suddenly go to a console screen (where I can login, but only play in textmode).

The only error I find by examining the output of "sudo dmesg | less" is "display: Not usable".

I wonder if this is a hardware or software failure, but still, my advice is to install this update when you have some spare time ahead.

[dogbone]

25.8 Mb here. ppc

[Jookbox]

i installed the update and finally os x is snappy!

[TopGear]

Placebo? Where can I get this placebo?



Dude, my partying days are behind me. I just can't take placebos anymore -- they get me too messed up.



Safari 3 seems snappier on Windows after this update.



Same here. Also my mountain bike goes much faster now.

[Shagrat]

I've been installing and upgrading OS X since the beta and I've never had to reformat my drive and start over. What exactly are you people doing to your machines? Or am I just that lucky.

Today I updated my Apple TV, a 500MHz G4 (remember the Super Computer), a dual 1GHZ Quicksilver G4 and my 3GHz Quad. All without problem.

Well, upgraded my 533 G4 digital audio from system 9 (not sure now, (7?) years later, which version!) through almost every update, apart from 10.0, as i went straight to 10.1. Never a glitch, so maybe the problems are not as widespread as this forum might make you think!

[dooyou]

Funny enough, I never had this issue on my iMac running 10.4.9. I just upgraded to 10.4.10 and now i get the popping in my speakers... and its driving me NUTS!!!! This is beyond annoying... please don't tell me I need to reformat just to fix this....


Same issue on my MBP.

[Shagrat]

sorry, pressed post, and it just said "you can't post twice within 20 seconds". Or something like that...

[a456]

Mac OS 8.6 is still supported (a 10 year old OS), I think Tiger is gonna be around for a while.

Well, yes Mac OS 8.6 is supported on PPC Macs, but Apple don't sell PPC Macs anymore so are they still supporting it? They are only supporting it by not getting rid of Classic.

[Rod Rod]

ok great now i cant see my usb hard drive.i had a little trouble on my MacPro where it would restart to the grey screen then hang, but then i realized i didn't unplug my usb drive prior to restart, mac sure nothing other than maybe a keyboard is plugged in>_< tryed everything to get my usb harddrive back, it just wont come back to lifeGot the same problem too - USB External Hard Drives not mounting.:apple: Why on earth dose a .10 upgrade stop my usb hard drive form booting, im downloading the 10.4.9 combo upgrade hopefully that will allow me to down grade. i installed the 10.4.10 form software update then a reinstall form the 10.4.10 combo update still no usb drive.ok so now that i have installed the 10.4.10 upgrade and its messed up my ability to connect to my extrernal hard drive how do i down grade to 10.4.9 i tryed installing the 10.4.9 combo upgrade but it wont allow me to.

The lesson is to ALWAYS physically disconnect ALL USB (and FireWire, ExpressCard and PCMCIA) devices before running Software Update, with the only exceptions being your keyboard and mouse.

[pengu]

The lesson is to ALWAYS physically disconnect ALL USB (and FireWire, ExpressCard and PCMCIA) devices before running Software Update, with the only exceptions being your keyboard and mouse.

i didnt unplug my dodgy DVico USB2 tv Tuna before the update, and it's still just as flaky. and its not very moist.. needs mayo... oh wait..

[Eraserhead]

Had similar thing, though on the button 'international' when i updated into 10.4.8 a while ago... stayed there till 10.4.9 ... so who knows...

little bug somewhere :)

I know I'm slow but:

http://guides.macrumors.com/Garbled_or_Scrambled_Icons_in_System_Preferences

[Cabbit]

The lesson is to ALWAYS physically disconnect ALL USB (and FireWire, ExpressCard and PCMCIA) devices before running Software Update, with the only exceptions being your keyboard and mouse.

so helpful, well i can see the drive in system profiler just noware else. is there a way to mount form the termanal

[ibinco]

Holly mac, havent had any issues @ all and MAC OS is really snappy. Good stuff for me and and my macbook pro :)

[Rod Rod]

so helpful, well i can see the drive in system profiler just noware else. is there a way to mount form the termanal

Sorry, I know that what I said isn't helpful looking back, but it should prove helpful looking forward.

There's probably a way to mount via Terminal but I don't know what it is. Have you tried Disk Utility?

[pengu]

so helpful, well i can see the drive in system profiler just noware else. is there a way to mount form the termanal

disk utility should show storage devices that are connected, even if the volumes aren't recognised.

[WildPalms]

haha that made my day :D

"must of" or "must have"
...:confused:

[ScubaDuc]

The lesson is to ALWAYS physically disconnect ALL USB (and FireWire, ExpressCard and PCMCIA) devices before running Software Update, with the only exceptions being your keyboard and mouse.

This was my first "big" software update as a new "old" switcher... If I had to disconnet my USB/firewire devices, don't u think that Apple should have made it clear? :confused:

I had tons of problems...my mini did not want to re-start... :eek:

It took four tries and finally OSX loaded, but it took nearly 20 minutes... then, two re-starts later, the Mini finally starts, but my screen is weird and I cannot move any icons on the desktop.... Processor at 67° C. and fan whining at 4,000 rpm :mad: New restart, another half an hour of waiting , and three repair permission later, the Mini seems to be working OK again... :rolleyes:

I went in panick mode because I am travelling and I have an ocean between myself and the restore disks... I never had any problems with software updates.... Not EVEN with Win ME :rolleyes:

[steve_hill4]

Ejecting from taskbar is no longer necessary. I've been doing it for years...just pull out the thumb drive / external hard drive / whatever and it's good to go. I've never had any sort of data loss...come to think of it, I don't know one Windows guy who does it via taskbar. I guess we're a little wierd down in this area huh?
I've had at least two flash drives that have been hosed and I can only conclude it was due to pulling out without ejecting, (so to speak ;) ). Wouldn't have minded so much, but the first one it happened to was fairly new and it wasn't me who did it. After that, neither Windows or Mac would recognise it. The second was also fairly new, but I bought a branded version this time and Sandisk replaced for me within a week. Always bought Sandisk since.
WRONG! Look in the taskbar...its just like you CAN just pull out a drive from OSX, but you risk the same dangers in both OSs...
IIRC, XP used to warn you when you hadn't ejected first, like OSX. Vista merely gives a little sound when pulled out. I guess Microsoft find people are annoyed when they are constantly warned like this, so removed it. Shame they didn't remove the other 3000+ warnings and minor annoyances at the same time, (such as installing an application, clicking on install and it asking you for permission, but not right in front of you, flashing on the task bar for you to click, click allow and continue).

I personally think it should be an option in System Preferences. Say Volumes tab and then one tick box within it could say "Warn me when I fail to eject a disk before disconnecting". Maybe even in the Finder Preferences window.

[rainydays]

I personally think it should be an option in System Preferences. Say Volumes tab and then one tick box within it could say "Warn me when I fail to eject a disk before disconnecting". Maybe even in the Finder Preferences window.

That would be very nice. That message always bugs me when I wake my computer from sleep and have the external disk connected. The disk goes to sleep when my computer does, but it doesn't wake up as quickly, so OS X thinks that I have unplugged it without unmounting it. That's true in a sense, but it doesn't do the disk any harm really.

[cooknwitha]

Addresses a specific issue in which users importing video from a DV camera may experience dropped frames.


About time!!!!!!!!!

[Manic Mouse]

That would be very nice. That message always bugs me when I wake my computer from sleep and have the external disk connected. The disk goes to sleep when my computer does, but it doesn't wake up as quickly, so OS X thinks that I have unplugged it without unmounting it. That's true in a sense, but it doesn't do the disk any harm really.

I also find this highly annoying...

[jubjub]

I know I'm slow but:

http://guides.macrumors.com/Garbled_or_Scrambled_Icons_in_System_Preferences

Thank you! Have had this problem for a while now. But no more :)

[Eraserhead]

I personally think it should be an option in System Preferences. Say Volumes tab and then one tick box within it could say "Warn me when I fail to eject a disk before disconnecting". Maybe even in the Finder Preferences window.

No it shouldn't because you actually can get data corruption once it has finished copying on a Mac (I actually have), unlike Windows.

Also you can just reformat them when you have a problem ;).

[Rod Rod]

This was my first "big" software update as a new "old" switcher... If I had to disconnet my USB/firewire devices, don't u think that Apple should have made it clear? :confused:

This is one of the reasons why it's good to check forums, Mac Users Groups and such.

[ScubaDuc]

This is one of the reasons why it's good to check forums, Mac Users Groups and such.

YEs, u are right, and I usually do so for third party software, but I still think it's up to Apple to provide detailed istructions and perhaps a reminder to disconnect peripherals... I just sunk another grand and some for a MacBook Black last week and I should not have to "educate" myself for a software update ;)

P.S. I checked this 3d last night before upgrading and there were only a few posts but no one had reported problems yet :rolleyes:

[G-Force]

Installed the Combo update and it's still doing it. Hmm. It's not just when I'm playing music, either. It's just like every once in a while, I hear the "bonk" sound like when you're turning off your speakers. That's about the only way I can think of to describe it. Very odd.

This is the first time in my 3 years of Mac use that I've had something really annoying like this happen with a system update.
Same problem on my iMac. It's really annoying.

[samh004]

Finally installed, not had any problems yet, nor heard any strange sounds from my speaker.

[great high wolf]

MacBook (Late 2006) C2D 2.0GHz 1GB 80GB. Update was 74MB, so it's not just SR that got something more...

And I've got the speaker popping. I think coreaudiod is behaving oddly. But - I have a solution! Well, there's 2.

1) Downgrade.
2) Use an iMic to connect the speakers.

Looks like in fixing the problems with Core Audio from 10.4.9, they actually made new problems for people who didn't have the originals. Nice.

[Nym]

Can anyone tell me if the 10.4.10 breaks the current Shapeshifter version?

I won't install it until it's safe :)

[pengu]

holy *****. my Cinema display just sprouted wings and flew off. what an update!

[the Helix]

Can anyone tell me if the 10.4.10 breaks the current Shapeshifter version?

I won't install it until it's safe :)

I've installed 10.4.10 and I use ShapeShifter. So far all my guiKits seem to be working just fine.

[Scooby_Doo]

Working well so far on a 2ghz MB Core Duo. Couple of restarts required, no noticeable differences.

[steve_hill4]

No it shouldn't because you actually can get data corruption once it has finished copying on a Mac (I actually have), unlike Windows.

Also you can just reformat them when you have a problem ;).

Yes, but I'm suggesting it's still turned on by default, but that in System Preferences or Finder Preferences you could turn the message off. That way those that understand the risks can turn it off and run the risk. Those that don't and just want to turn it off can also, but if they get any corruption, they have nobody the blame but themselves.

So far, I have never had one corrupted by a Mac. The closest I have had to problems with flash drives is when I've trashed files and forgot to empty trash before removing. I think if you eject properly it deletes the files first, (if it doesn't, it should), but if you don't eject first, you definitely have problems regaining that space without either plugging it back into that same Mac or more likely formatting.

[Am3822]

"Is it safe?"


(MBP/C2D/15/2.33)

[Goldfinger]

Thanks, I was beginning to think I was going nuts. I remember that with 10.4.9 the volume in my MB increased (just one or two lines would suffice if I was in my room).
Now with 10.4.10 the max volume is the same. But 2 lines won't suffice, at least 6 lines are required to have the same volume as before.

I'm experiencing the same here on my C2D iMac.

[justflie]

Same problem on my iMac. It's really annoying.

Yeah, same problem on my iMac. Every once and a while there's that little pop through my digital external speakers. Also, when I'm watching video (and presumably when playing music), the sound will cut out for a split second and then come back in. grrrr

[rtemp]

My MBP locked up 3 times since installing 10.4.10 last night. It locks up after 10 minutes of normal use. I disconnected everything (second monitor, all USB devices) and it still locked up. Any ideas?

[Hugh]

I always install the combo just to make sure everything is covered. Others think it makes no difference. I do. Call it superstition or just plain old conservatism. I'd rather be safe than sorry something was overlooked due to a glitch in a previous update or a hidden correction in something from a previous version.

Those on MacFixIt suggest to always use the combo installer. It's like you said, it makes sure every thing was install correctly.

Hugh

[Cloudsurfer]

That poor 4 is squeezed between two 10's :p not to worry, you'll be replaced by 5.0 soon!

[Hugh]

Ahh, yes. I remember that. I don't even remember what my PowerBook was doing, but it was NOT good. Apple pulled it, then re-released it... and whoever had a WORKING computer didn't even want to install 10.2.8.1 (lol) because they were afraid it would make things even worse. :)

I don't think anybody had a pleasurable experience with the (first) 10.2.8.

I installed the first 10.2.8 and had no problems at all. I also didn't have any problems. :/

Hugh

[xBerserker]

Repaired permissions before install. No issues here. Seems to restart faster the second time.

[BillyBobBongo]

All went well over here on my brand spanking new 2GHz Intel MacBook! Yes, I'm part of the PC migration.....and I'm loving it!!!! :D

[Billicus]

My MBP locked up 3 times since installing 10.4.10 last night. It locks up after 10 minutes of normal use. I disconnected everything (second monitor, all USB devices) and it still locked up. Any ideas?

Are you using any 3rd party software that affects the general system? If so I'd try removing those and see if it has any effect.

[poobaaaaa]

Is anyone else having trouble with a their USB HD's after the update? My USB HD locks up the finder as soon as it starts up. It worked fine before the 10.4.10 update.

[centauratlas]

Windows does it. It writes the data to the USB stick immediately as it might be removed at any time, *nix OS's (including OS X) don't do this.

And if you pull it out while anything is writing, you can get data corruption either in the file or in the directory. Write caching can further complicate matters since it makes it more difficult to determine when the writes are really finished.

:-)

[Tampa Tom]

iMac 2.1 ghz G5

I will say Safari and the whole finder seems to be much quicker.

The only audio problem is my wifes' Celine Dion songs in iTunes.:eek:

[Rod Rod]

My MBP locked up 3 times since installing 10.4.10 last night. It locks up after 10 minutes of normal use. I disconnected everything (second monitor, all USB devices) and it still locked up. Any ideas?
Did you disconnect all USB devices before running Software Update and installing 10.4.10?
Is anyone else having trouble with a their USB HD's after the update? My USB HD locks up the finder as soon as it starts up. It worked fine before the 10.4.10 update.
Did you have any USB devices physically connected (powered on or off, mounted or not) while running Software Update and installing 10.4.10?

[centauratlas]

10 is very different to .10

For example: 5.5 liters is the same as 5.50 liters and is also the same as 5.5000000 liters.


And 5.5.5 liters is the same as 5.50.50 liters???????????? Huh?

Those aren't numbers in any number system that has been widely used - yet - because the periods are NOT decimals, but periods.

[centauratlas]

If software makers used commas (10,4,10),

Of course then people would be saying it was something like:
1,000 = version one thousand
10,000,000 = version 10 million

or in this case: 10,4,10
would be 10 million, 4 thousand and 10 since they were leaving out leading 0s:
10,004,010


(Unless you are in some parts of the world were commas are used for decimal points or division marks etc)
:-)

[Squozen]

I learned from the previous Mac OS update (10.4.9) to repair my disk permissions before installing the update, as I had to do a repair install last time. Just installed it, now time to reboot....(*crosses fingers*).

And as the installer runs as root and ignores all permissions, you wasted your time.

[BillyBobBongo]

The only audio problem is my wifes' Celine Dion songs in iTunes.:eek:

You have my sympathy...mine has a fascination for the 'The Corrs'! One minute great guitar base rocks....next....some whiney Irish bird going on about love! Yuk!

[poobaaaaa]

Did you disconnect all USB devices before running Software Update and installing 10.4.10?

Did you have any USB devices physically connected (powered on or off, mounted or not) while running Software Update and installing 10.4.10?

No. I left it in while the update ran. I went as far to do a "Archive and Install" that didn't help at all. I have a seven port usb hub 100gig usb HD and a Dazzle card reader. They were all on at the time

[Lyra]

Just wondering if there was a chance that someone could record the sound issue they are talking about and post it here.

I have had a few sound issues with my macmini, and was wondering if it is anything like what I have. And if it isn't then I'm not going to update the OS. Even though since 10.4.7 or 8 my MacMini has become VERY slow and heavy. Don't know what to do about it. Or how to solve it.

I fear it will make it even slower and useless when I go 10.4.10 or 10410

Thanks to whom ever is kind enough to record the sound for us...

[tmoney468]

And as the installer runs as root and ignores all permissions, you wasted your time.

Yes, I wasted 20 seconds of my time because the last OS update I installed, 10.4.9, rendered my computer unbootable. I posted on these forums and people told me that I should have repaired permissions before installing the update. Sorry if I wanted to make sure my computer booted after the update...

[Rod Rod]

No. I left it in while the update ran. I went as far to do a "Archive and Install" that didn't help at all. I have a seven port usb hub 100gig usb HD and a Dazzle card reader. They were all on at the time
Thanks for answering. This is further proof that installing anything in Software Update with USB (or FireWire) stuff connected is a bad idea.

I hope you get everything back up and running.

[notjustjay]

So far, I have never had one corrupted by a Mac. The closest I have had to problems with flash drives is when I've trashed files and forgot to empty trash before removing. I think if you eject properly it deletes the files first, (if it doesn't, it should), but if you don't eject first, you definitely have problems regaining that space without either plugging it back into that same Mac or more likely formatting.

I unfortunately also learned the hard way. Occasionally USB flash drives seem to get "stuck" -- you hit eject, but they don't actually unmount -- and in my impatience I just yanked it out anyway, having just copied a pile of PowerPoint presentations onto it.

A small voice in the back of my head said "you should verify the presentations copied onto the stick OK" but the reality was it was very late at night and I needed my sleep.

The next day I brought in my USB stick and popped it into the PC at the presentation site, and copied all those presentations to the PC hard drive, overwriting the older versions that had been on the drive (as I had taken them home to update the night before).

To my horror, when we tried to open the presentations, we found that every single one of them had become corrupted. And, of course, I had JUST overwritten the "last known good" versions that had been on the PCs, too.

We had to scramble, 10 minutes before presentation time, to find an overhead projector and transparencies. And now I double-check the file on the stick as well as email a copy to myself, just in case.

[jdechko]

Then my friend you must not have been around during the GREAT 10.2.8 UPDATE...

Apple released that update and then a lot of people were left with $1000-$3000 paper weights on their desks and laps. What was it folks, 2 days later???? that Apple released Ver 2 or 10.2.8 to fix the pulled update.

Yeah, I remember that. You guys were fun then... :p

[joelovesapple]

Excellent update:) .

It's just good to know that I'm just that little bit safer and my system is a little speedier.:p :apple:

[AidenShaw]

The next day I brought in my USB stick and popped it into the PC at the presentation site, and copied all those presentations to the PC hard drive, overwriting the older versions that had been on the drive (as I had taken them home to update the night before).

To my horror, when we tried to open the presentations, we found that every single one of them had become corrupted. And, of course, I had JUST overwritten the "last known good" versions that had been on the PCs, too.

If the presentation PC had been running Vista, you could have done a context-click on the files and selected "Restore Previous Versions".

Cool.

[poobaaaaa]

Thanks for answering. This is further proof that installing anything in Software Update with USB (or FireWire) stuff connected is a bad idea.

I hope you get everything back up and running.

Other then the USB HD trouble the update is fine. You think the HD might be dead? There is power going to it. The finder goes right to beachball and I have to do a forced restart.

[Malus]

Funny enough, I never had this issue on my iMac running 10.4.9. I just upgraded to 10.4.10 and now i get the popping in my speakers... and its driving me NUTS!!!! This is beyond annoying... please don't tell me I need to reformat just to fix this....

Anyone know a fix??

Not that I could find...sorry :(

Thats one of the reasons why I reformated. If you do find a fix, please pm me so I can update to 10.4.10!! hehe. Good luck!

[bill4588]

I can't install uno after this update :( It says that the software needs Tiger 10.4.4 or higher :confused: Anyone else experience this?

[Rod Rod]

Other then the USB HD trouble the update is fine. You think the HD might be dead? There is power going to it. The finder goes right to beachball and I have to do a forced restart.

So, the drive shows up and mounts? You just get a Finder beachball when trying to access it? Maybe eject it, disconnect the USB cable from your computer, log out, log back in and reconnect the USB cable?

[pengu]

I can't install uno after this update :( It says that the software needs Tiger 10.4.4 or higher :confused: Anyone else experience this?

maybe the developer has some crazy logic that thinks 10.4.10 == 10.4.1

damn beatniks!

[Am3822]

maybe the developer has some crazy logic that thinks 10.4.10 == 10.4.1

damn beatniks!

I wonder how many other applications would fail because of that reason.

[pengu]

I wonder how many other applications would fail because of that reason.

I guess that depends how many other Apps' developers are idiots?

[CubaTBird]

So is this the most stable version of Tiger? Always upgrade just before the new release comes out. :p

[AidenShaw]

So is this the most stable version of Tiger?

Depends if 10.5 slips again and they come out with 10.4.11.

Actually, there's plenty of time for a .11 and .12 anyway - if for nothing else than to fix the bugs with external HD support.

[hesdeadjim]

um. actually, as much as microsoft says its "safe" to use thumb drives this way, past experience with corrupted data has taught me to remove/unmount devices "safely/properly" before unplugging, regardless of the settings for read/write cacheing.

That is the truth. The numerous times that Windows XP and 2000 corrupted files (that aren't open) because I forgot to safely remove the device has taught me to do it the proper way and to have a backup copy. Nevertheless, there are times both with PCs and Macs that I have accidently removed them prematurely and haven't had problems.

[Marlon_JBT]

Well, upgraded my 533 G4 digital audio from system 9 (not sure now, (7?) years later, which version!) through almost every update, apart from 10.0, as i went straight to 10.1. Never a glitch, so maybe the problems are not as widespread as this forum might make you think!

Heh, not only my Mac was screwed, so were (some of) the rest of the Macs in my school. :) It didn't affect them ALL.

[freebooter]

Post-update, my iMac 24" audio (external speakers) now has a hum and click problem after update, like when the computer is off and the speakers are still on.
Yes, I repaired permissions, but, no, I didn't unplug my USB or Firewire drives before updating. Rebooting, using Disk Warrior and re-repairing permissions does not help.
Tomorrow I will have to restore to 10.4.9 using my back-up disk (which has no click and hum problem). Or, maybe I'll zap the PRAM first...

edit: just reset PRAM--speakers still hum and click

Might try to reinstall update with no peripherals plugged in.

The excess noise comes and goes....and then stays....

[EagerDragon]

Depends if 10.5 slips again and they come out with 10.4.11.

Actually, there's plenty of time for a .11 and .12 anyway - if for nothing else than to fix the bugs with external HD support.

I find it hard to believe that Apple will not continue fixing bugs past 10.4.10. I do expect .11 and .12 even after 10.5 is out. Past 12 who knows.

[hodgjy]

The 10.4.10 problem reminds me a lot of the 2000 problems from computers not recognizing the digits.

Uno 1.5.1 does not like the 10.4.10 either, saying it requires 10.4.4 or higher.

This is a problem that could affect a lot of installers. Either the developers need to address it, or Apple needs to release a "trick" patch, a la Windows did for application compatibility.

I wonder how many other applications would fail because of that reason.

[edenwaith]

After 5 reboots on my quad core MacPro the machine still refuses to allow access to the admin account. The MAIN account on this machine. It flashes the logon screen, permits typing the password then simply comes back with the logon screen. Frustrating. All other accounts are accessible.

I hope this is fixable

I had this problem with an account once. I believe that emptying the cache files in /Library/Cache finally fixed this problem for me.

[edenwaith]

Then my friend you must not have been around during the GREAT 10.2.8 UPDATE...

Apple released that update and then a lot of people were left with $1000-$3000 paper weights on their desks and laps. What was it folks, 2 days later???? that Apple released Ver 2 or 10.2.8 to fix the pulled update.

Exactly! That's the worst case I've ever seen. I updated to Mac OS 10.2.8 when it first came out, and I happened to have one of those Macs where the update killed my internet connection. I ended up having to get the Apple Ethernet kernel extension file from another computer and find a way to transfer the file to my main Mac to fix the problem.

I even found that original .kext file a few days ago....ah, memories...

Also the 10.4.0 of Tiger had problems with my D-link wireless router and long computer names. Shortening the computer name (or upgrading to 10.4.1) fixed the problem.

Otherwise, I haven't had any real problems with updating my home computer.

[swaption]

I installed the combo update on my core duo macbook and now airport doesn't work right. In the Network Preferences panel next to AirPort

"AirPort is connected to the network ***. AirPort has a self-assigned IP address and may not be able to connect to the internet."

It works fine with ethernet.

And we can't blame it on the router because my core duo iMac is working fine on the same network after the update. However, on the iMac it wasn't the combo update.

[173080]

I'm having the popping speakers and choppy sound issue on my PowerBook G4.

At first I thought it was the hard drive clicking.:eek:

[summero]

Dang, I want my loud speakers back!

[ro2nie]

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!

that means were getting very close to leopard!!!!

bring it onnnnnn baby!

Even if 10.4.10 wasn't out, leopard would still be coming out in October.... Can't see what this does to the release of leopard...

[MagicUK]

Why on earth would you risk installing an update while you're on a trip?

Never underestimate the "big red [DONT PUSH ME] button" sickness. Its well documented.

Think i'll wait till the weekend, back up read the forums again and then have a beer or two......

...now wheres that big red.....

[Jebaloo]

Hi my friend installed the new update along with an update for iLife06 which she had just installed.

The laptop will now not turn on, it hangs at the grey apple screen with the turning grey wheel.

We tried a PMU reset as a previous posted said this fixed their problem, but no result so far. On our 5th restart.

Any suggestions?


Are applre responsible for fixing my laptop if their update broke it?

[psychofreak]

Hi my friend installed the new update along with an update for iLife06 which she had just installed.

The laptop will now not turn on, it hangs at the grey apple screen with the turning grey wheel.

We tried a PMU reset as a previous posted said this fixed their problem, but no result so far. On our 5th restart.

Any suggestions?


Are applre responsible for fixing my laptop if their update broke it?

Wait A LOOOOOOONG time...seriously...maybe it will even restart again just as you think its finished...but wait!

[Jebaloo]

Wait A LOOOOOOONG time...seriously...maybe it will even restart again just as you think its finished...but wait!

Longer than an hour? We left it for ages.

I have the tiger disks in the laptop now, how do I get it to run? I know there's a button I'm supposed to press when the laptop starts but can't remember which one.

[psychofreak]

Longer than an hour? We left it for ages.

I have the tiger disks in the laptop now, how do I get it to run? I know there's a button I'm supposed to press when the laptop starts but can't remember which one.

c boots from the disk when held down from start up :)

An hour does seem long...

[MrCrowbar]

Did anyone not have problems updating to 10.4.10?

If I copy my Macintosh HD to my external HD (boot up from Tiger DVD, start Disk utility, click on my Macintosh HD, then "create image", read only, no compression and save it on the external HD), will it restore 10.4.9 when I transfer it back?

I've restored from those backups a few times after messing up my system but I thought, maybe the 10.4.10 update messes with other things that are not stored on the Macintosh HD volume. Firmare and EFI stuff for example. Anyone?

I think I'll skip that update until after my exams tho... too risky

[djangomusic]

since installing 10.4.10 on my iMac 20 inch, my Behringer FCA202 Audio interface is no longer recognised!

[sum0belly]

Based upon the various issues so far being reported, I'm glad that I haven't updated yet. I'm a true Apple fan but have noticed that Apple's quality engineering process has suffered recently. I've learned after the last couple of updates to wait it out awhile and see what happens. The last update resulted in wifey losing her airport signal. Had to zap PRAM to fix that one. I do believe Apple will be updating (fixing bugs) on this one too but it will take a few days. I'm curious to see how other applications handle the new update. Has anyone had any problems with quicksilver (I really need that app) or photoshop? Is Ffox running ok or Shiira under 10.4.10? Just wandering ...

[ravenvii]

Anyone noticed that along with the 10.4.10 update we got a thesaurus in the dictionary? And that the AirPort Admin Utility has been updated and renamed the AirPort Utility?

[cjrj473]

I had this problem with an account once. I believe that emptying the cache files in /Library/Cache finally fixed this problem for me.

I am having the same problem, getting stuck in the console. I've tried everything mentioned on the apple support forums, but to no avail. Guess I'll have to give up and reinstall all the software tomorrow, I have a backup of my data but not of the whole computer, since I thought that with macs things were just supposed to work. . .

[Jebaloo]

Ok, So having tried absolutely everything to get my laptop back and working, I'm now trying to boot from an external disk.

I've got a lacie hard drive, but when I go to disk utility it says that it can't install the OS on this disk (through disk utility on the broken PowerPC laptop). My other laptop is intel, and it says that I can't install the Tiger on my drive either (i'm assuming because it's powerpc files, not intel files).

Does anyone know what I have to do to prepare my disk for installation?


Cheers.

[BengalDuck]

Anyone noticed that along with the 10.4.10 update we got a thesaurus in the dictionary? And that the AirPort Admin Utility has been updated and renamed the AirPort Utility?


As someone who used the Dictionary.app countless times over the last year, I can assure you that a Thesaurus has been there, at least for a while.

[vohdoun]

Based upon the various issues so far being reported, I'm glad that I haven't updated yet. I'm a true Apple fan but have noticed that Apple's quality engineering process has suffered recently. I've learned after the last couple of updates to wait it out awhile and see what happens. The last update resulted in wifey losing her airport signal. Had to zap PRAM to fix that one. I do believe Apple will be updating (fixing bugs) on this one too but it will take a few days. I'm curious to see how other applications handle the new update.

Same, MacOSXUpdCombo10.4.10PPC.dmg sits on the desktop for the meantime, but I wont be running it. Not after hearing people speak of the crackles and pops. I listen to internet radio everyday. I don't think I could take listening to all those cracks and pops that so many seem to report.

Though, I never had Airport problems you describe when I installed 10.4.9, but that also came up with many people too!

[cubbie5150]

Ugh.. I am getting seemingly random popping noises from my external 2.1 speakers; it started RIGHT AFTER rebooting when I updated to 10.4.10.. NOT very happy right now.:mad:

[wilsoncd1999]

Since updating, my CD MacBook is now a brick. It gets to the blue screen where the login window should appear, and it just has the mouse cursor, then occasionally the animated circle of sticks.

What gives?

[SheriffParker]

Anyone noticed that along with the 10.4.10 update we got a thesaurus in the dictionary? And that the AirPort Admin Utility has been updated and renamed the AirPort Utility?

Mine is still Airport Admin Utility...

[JJLT76]

onyx not work for anybody else i get "onyx requires Mac OSX version 10.4.x"
also the minimize to dock button(yellow) is acting up not letting me minimize or bring things back up, it kinda funny since it just stated acting up NOW all of a sudden:confused: :mad:

[TonicAngel]

well, I don't get the crackling on my mbp but now I cannot see anything in itunes. All my stuff is still there because I can hit a playlist and it will play... but there are no tracklistings or anything. Its just blank. :mad: :mad: I've restarted..and now am at a loss. Any ideas?! Or how do I go about switching down to 10.4.9??

[smitty078]

well, I don't get the crackling on my mbp but now I cannot see anything in itunes. All my stuff is still there because I can hit a playlist and it will play... but there are no tracklistings or anything. Its just blank. :mad: :mad: I've restarted..and now am at a loss. Any ideas?! Or how do I go about switching down to 10.4.9??

I bet you have, or have had, UNO installed at one time? I had this same exact problem. I discovered that you can fix it by using "Restore" in the UNO app (Uninstall didn't do it, but restore did). After "restoring" you can re-apply and it should be fine, at least it was in my case.

[TonicAngel]

I bet you have, or have had, UNO installed at one time? I had this same exact problem. I discovered that you can fix it by using "Restore" in the UNO app (Uninstall didn't do it, but restore did). After "restoring" you can re-apply and it should be fine, at least it was in my case.

Bugger. Uno keeps quitting and saying I have to install it on 10.4.4 or later and then quits. I cannot ever touch restore. Ugh I guess I'm screwed with itunes until uno updates. :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Sbrocket]

onyx not work for anybody else i get "onyx requires Mac OSX version 10.4.x"
also the minimize to dock button(yellow) is acting up not letting me minimize or bring things back up, it kinda funny since it just stated acting up NOW all of a sudden:confused: :mad:

Update to OnyX 1.8.0

[vohdoun]

how do I go about switching down to 10.4.9??

You can't, not unless you do a complete reinstall. The only other way would have been if you had cloned the entire drive to another partition before installing the new update.

[Toadstool]

Not sure if anyone else has noted this in the thread, but 10.4.10 update also breaks Parallels USB device capabilities. Parallels says a fix should be coming out in a couple days.

[thekiller]

after upgrading to 10.4.10 my internet connection is messed up, airport says I'm connected with the max strength but safari, transmision and messenger are not working :mad: , they launch but safari won't load pages, messenger tells me I have no internet connection and transmision won't download stuff..

[thekiller]

and it happens every 5 minutes, I have to restart my computer to have internet connection again, but it crashes after 5 minutes...

[Bern]

Should my "Universal Access" icon look like this in System Preferences?

http://s181.photobucket.com/albums/x153/Toadstool_42/?action=view&current=prefs.jpg

http://s181.photobucket.com/albums/x153/Toadstool_42/?action=view&current=prefs.jpg
:confused:

close system preferences and delete these 2 files in in User/library/caches then open system preferences:

1. com.apple.preferencepanes.cache
2. com.apple.preferencepanes.searchindexcache

[Manic Mouse]

Ugh.. I am getting seemingly random popping noises from my external 2.1 speakers; it started RIGHT AFTER rebooting when I updated to 10.4.10.. NOT very happy right now.:mad:

Me too it's really annoying. Any chance this will be fixed or am I stuck with popping speakers for the rest of this computer's life?

[THX1139]

I secretly smile at those people who install updates without backing up their system first. I wonder why they don't clone their drive with something like Superduper so that they can revert if the update goes bad? Okay, maybe if you don't have any important data and don't mind installing applications, but sheesh, $28 for the software is worth it for piece of mind. If you don't back up and are the type who has to have the lastest updates, I have no sympathy if you wind up with an expensive paperweight, or lose a day having to reinstall everything.

[Manic Mouse]

I secretly smile at those people who install updates without backing up their system first. I wonder why they don't clone their drive with something like Superduper so that they can revert if the update goes bad? Okay, maybe if you don't have any important data and don't mind installing applications, but sheesh, $28 for the software is worth it for piece of mind. If you don't back up and are the type who has to have the lastest updates, I have no sympathy if you wind up with an expensive paperweight, or lose a day having to reinstall everything.

Yeah, how dare we expect an offical Apple update NOT to break our systems?

Seriously man, stick the condescending attitude where the sun don't shine. An update from Apple shouldn't bork your system, and if it does it's Apple's fault not the users.

I'm sure many users here would have a word or two to say about MS if a Vista update borked systems/ produced audio issues. Yet if an Apple update causes problems it's somehow the users fault? Yeah, right.

If Apples update wrecks systems then the software is crappy and bug-ridden. If the software is bug-ridden then it shouldn't be put out the door. Users left with "paperweights" certainly have my sympathy. I don't worship Apple to the point of blaming consumers for Apple's mistakes unlike you. I find your post vaguely repulsive. What kind of person gets enjoyment at someone else's misfortune and blames it on them when it's Apple's fault?

[AlexisV]

Amen to that :p

[Reach]

Thanks Apple, two Kernel panics and speaker "popping", GREAT update... /sarcasm off

[Wild-Bill]

I secretly smile at those people who install updates without backing up their system first. I wonder why they don't clone their drive with something like Superduper so that they can revert if the update goes bad? Okay, maybe if you don't have any important data and don't mind installing applications, but sheesh, $28 for the software is worth it for piece of mind. If you don't back up and are the type who has to have the lastest updates, I have no sympathy if you wind up with an expensive paperweight, or lose a day having to reinstall everything.

Uhh...... Yeah. People are really gonna think about doing that to their Macs who's marketing line is "it just works". Pahleeze........

[dwater]

ok great now i cant see my usb hard drive.

I'm another one.

My FW drive is fine, but not my iPod Shuffle/2nd which is basically a USB drive.

Sucks :|

[hodgjy]

I can confirm this. I'm running version 2.5 (build 3212). What version are you running? 2.5 or 3.0?

Not sure if anyone else has noted this in the thread, but 10.4.10 update also breaks Parallels USB device capabilities. Parallels says a fix should be coming out in a couple days.

[Fairly]

Should my "Universal Access" icon look like this in System Preferences?

http://s181.photobucket.com/albums/x153/Toadstool_42/?action=view&current=prefs.jpg
:confused:
Yes. Is there something wrong with it? :D

[keirnna]

Well I installed 10.4.10 and it went flawless until I went to use iChat to talk with my wife tonight. My USB webcam's microphone no longer works. The web cam still works as normal but it's integrated microphone is no longer recognized by the mac. I have to say .9 and .10 were the worst two minor releases ever. 10.4.9 killed both of my systems and I had to install the update from the command line on the install disc and 10.4.10 killed my microphone!

Any ideas how to fix this?

[Fairly]

What does it take to put out an update where you don't have to EJECT thumb drives before removing them, without an error popping up telling that you removed it improperly??
Sometimes a long time. It doesn't take more than maybe thirty minutes to isolate the bug and fix it. But first it has to get to the engineer who's gonna fix it. And that can take days or weeks. Then they make the fix and it gets put in a queue and becomes part of the next update. This isn't web software - it has to be distributed. That can take a long time and it always takes a lot of work. See now why Google are doing things the way they do?

[Toadstool]

I can confirm this. I'm running version 2.5 (build 3212). What version are you running? 2.5 or 3.0?

Same build as you (2.5, build 3212). Parallels is working on it. They have a thread about it: http://forum.parallels.com/thread13482.html

[danny_w]

Yeah, how dare we expect an offical Apple update NOT to break our systems?

Seriously man, stick the condescending attitude where the sun don't shine. An update from Apple shouldn't bork your system, and if it does it's Apple's fault not the users.

I'm sure many users here would have a word or two to say about MS if a Vista update borked systems/ produced audio issues. Yet if an Apple update causes problems it's somehow the users fault? Yeah, right.

If Apples update wrecks systems then the software is crappy and bug-ridden. If the software is bug-ridden then it shouldn't be put out the door. Users left with "paperweights" certainly have my sympathy. I don't worship Apple to the point of blaming consumers for Apple's mistakes unlike you. I find your post vaguely repulsive. What kind of person gets enjoyment at someone else's misfortune and blames it on them when it's Apple's fault?
Sadly many of Apple's recent updates have wrecked systems, and MS updates for XP have done the same. While this should not happen, it is a fact of life today that updates can and do break systems, sometimes so badly that they won't even boot. Yes, I have SuperDuper! and use it every time before an update. And also be sure to unplug all external devices except keyboard, mouse, and display before doing an update. If you are trusting Apple ( or any company for that matter) and the update process to be perfect then your trust is in the wrong place; people and things are not perfect and never will be.

[vohdoun]

I have no sympathy if you wind up with an expensive paperweight, or lose a day having to reinstall everything.

I'd have to agree, but its more of a research thing on finding out what problems lie within before diving in and from what other users report. I've been there with windows on that part many times. Theres nothing worse spending a day putting the OS back to how you liked it. It isn't rosy on either camp.


An update from Apple shouldn't bork your system, and if it does it's Apple's fault not the users.


It's still the users problem to rectify it. Whether it be wait or reinstall and go back to the previous update. Either way they still suffer.

[Toadstool]

Same build as you (2.5, build 3212). Parallels is working on it. They have a thread about it: http://forum.parallels.com/thread13482.html

I just checked for updates (via Help menu) and build 3214 is available. I've tried it and it fixes my USB problems connecting devices to Parallels. :) :D

[swaption]

I installed the combo update on my core duo macbook and now airport doesn't work right. In the Network Preferences panel next to AirPort

"AirPort is connected to the network ***. AirPort has a self-assigned IP address and may not be able to connect to the internet."

It works fine with ethernet.

And we can't blame it on the router because my core duo iMac is working fine on the same network after the update. However, on the iMac it wasn't the combo update.

I did a clean install from the DVD to 10.4.6. Airport worked fine. Installed the 10.4.9 combo update and had the same problem (airport would connect but had a self assigned IP so didn't really work).

I guess I'll reinstall 10.4.6 from disk and maybe go 10.4.7 to 10.4.8.

Any suggestions?

[Nerdowl]

Just installed it on my September 05 Macbook - no problems here as far as I can see :)

[seenew]

I'm not going to chance it, what with the way the iTunes update royally screwed my library/iPod up with 7.2.;)

[hodgjy]

Sweet, thanks for the update.

I just checked for updates (via Help menu) and build 3214 is available. I've tried it and it fixes my USB problems connecting devices to Parallels. :) :D

[ibinco]

Ok this update was fine till a moment ago...that crackling an popping sound coming out of my speaker is really irritating..eh will apple relase a fix for this?!

[uMac]

after upgrading to 10.4.10 my internet connection is messed up, airport says I'm connected with the max strength but safari, transmision and messenger are not working :mad: , they launch but safari won't load pages, messenger tells me I have no internet connection and transmision won't download stuff..

Yeah that happend to me (Ethernet + Router)

Restart the router - that solved my problem.