iPhone Guided Tour and Site Redesign

[coolosxapps]

As I just accessed the iPhone Website, they have just totally redone it (as I literally refreshed because the page wasn't loading fully).

See now at http://www.apple.com/iphone/ :)

It includes a guided tour for the iPhone (http://www.apple.com/iphone/usingiphone/guidedtour_large.html).

I didn't see arn online so I don't know how to notify him about this.

[pengu]

wow it is too. the "guided tour" is a 20 minute movie! holy crap!

who's the guy doing the demo? normally its just a voice over...

[wesleyJ]

The guided tour is also the main feature on www.apple.com.

it's 20 minutes long!:D

[Grimace]

and who has that sexy HAND that we see everywhere?!?!?!

[Nagooya]

Cool! Thanks for the notice. The 360 degree view is really COOL!

[Nagooya]

The 360 degree view was cool until it stopped working for me! Ugh!

[Anonymous Freak]

This is, what... The third major redesign since January? (And they just redid it last week! Although this is a significantly larger change.) I liked the previous one, better.

[timmypv15]

Monday: Battery Life & Screen
Wednesday: YouTube
Friday: New Website

i bet thats all you see for this week, and the plans revealing themselves on monday or wednesday of next week

[pengu]

hey it has readers for Word and Excel. are they new features!?

and (may have been known befor) weather and stocks are both provided by yahoo...
i cant ever imagine wanting Stocks as a major app on my phone tho.. :S

[meagain]

:) Did you catch how he said "16 different applications"? ;)

[Grimace]

why does the guy in the video look so sad??

[GanleyBurger]

and who has that sexy HAND that we see everywhere?!?!?!

A hand model, right???

Imagine telling that to someone you meet.

I met a guy who was a professional guitar player, wouldn't shake your hand.

I'll be this guy says, "Sorry, can't shake, I'm a hand model... for Apple."

That would make it cooler, I guess. Apple... now even a male hand model is cool!!!

I saw a lady who had to be the hand model for Heather Lockleer? in a hair commercial. Heather had to lay on the ground sideways and hold up her head. Apparently, the hand model has to spoon Heather to be the arm and hand holding up her head.

What a weird world:D :D :D

[bradleyt78]

I work for AT&T and have been thinking about getting one - but after seeing that 20 min video that want is turning into a "need!":) :) :) :apple:

[Dan Peterson]

Near the beginning of the video he specifically says, "from here you can begin using any one of the sixteen amazing applications"!!! He was also specifically not referring to the section buttons on the bottom (Phone, Mail, Safari, iPod) since he referred to both areas seperately.

[cheddacheese]

they still didnt post what store locations would have it did they?

[GanleyBurger]

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It is interesting that they didn't choose some sexy girl with a British accent to do the demo. It is actually refreshing. Stick to the product.

Normal is back!!!

:) :) :)

[dbonesyl]

I just finished watching it, and now I want one so bad I can't stand it!

[cmschmidt]

:) Did you catch how he said "16 different applications"? ;)

the other 4 he's talking about are just the phone, email, internet, and iPod. no more mystery apps.

[coolosxapps]

Near the beginning of the video he specifically says, "from here you can begin using any one of the sixteen amazing applications"!!! He was also specifically not referring to the section buttons on the bottom (Phone, Mail, Safari, iPod) since he referred to both areas seperately.

I caught that as well!

That video was a great video!!! :D

[pengu]

Near the beginning of the video he specifically says, "from here you can begin using any one of the sixteen amazing applications"!!! He was also specifically not referring to the section buttons on the bottom (Phone, Mail, Safari, iPod) since he referred to both areas seperately.

actually i think he DID mean including the 4 on the bottom.


however. right @ the end they do settings. and im kinda bummed you can't choose something from the itunes content as a ringtone :(

[Mydel]

From 360 view its hard to say if battery will be replaceable but frankly speaking does NOT look like it. But on the top is something that could actually be a SIM tray. And thats a good news

[AdeFowler]

He calls it a mobile phone. Is that unusual in the states?

[meagain]

Traffic info? Cool!

[cmschmidt]

He calls it a mobile phone. Is that unusual in the states?

no. everyone calls it a mobile phone.

[slffl]

Awesome! I really wish they would stop putting this stuff out because it's only going to make the lines longer and longer ;)

[Rich1989]

:) Did you catch how he said "16 different applications"? ;)

yes! brilliant.....how can they keep making these mistakes though?!
can't help but notice we havent yet been shown the camera app either.
i hate living in the uk right now.

[Grimace]

wow, I didn't know it could read MS Word docs in an email! That will certainly appeal to the business community.

[nagromme]

I am reminded of the "perfect storm" of consumer marketing that Computerworld believed Microsoft was delivering for the Zune last year--thus, supposedly, making Apple very afraid :p

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=printArticleBasic&articleId=9003718

Now, what Apple & AT&T have gradually played up for a half a year--THAT is a perfect storm.

PS, I don't like that hand model. I prefer the tree-frog hands they use in their patents.

PPS, I really hope it can read PDFs, HTML pages, and other documents stored on the thing's internal HD. THAT would be great--I'd store tons of useful info for business and pleasure.

[justflie]

From 360 view its hard to say if battery will be replaceable but frankly speaking does NOT look like it. But on the top is something that could actually be a SIM tray. And thats a good news

Steve already showed us the sim tray, during the MWSF 2007 keynote I believe.

[travishill]

yes! brilliant.....how can they keep making these mistakes though?!
can't help but notice we havent yet been shown the camera app either.
i hate living in the uk right now.

This is not a mistake- 12 apps up top, 4 apps on the bottom = 16 apps.

[AgingGeek]

who's the guy doing the demo? normally its just a voice over...

Black shirt? That must be Fake Steve Jobs!

[coolosxapps]

I'm glad you all like the video! I can't wait for the iPhone now that I've seen this!

[meagain]

I don't know if I'd call the 'phone' button an Application.
I interpret it that we'll have 16 apps. Period.

[PharmD]

Had we heard anything about the headphones prior to this video? Those freakin rock! Totally eliminating the need for bluetooth for me.

[pengu]

This is not a mistake- 12 apps up top, 4 apps on the bottom = 16 apps.

i think you mean 12 and 4 but i agree.

- ok did you fix a typo (from "14 and 4") or did i just imagine it completely?

i still can't get over Stocks as one of the "major" functions of it though :confused:

[pavvento]

The video made everything look so easy, but I noticed the time never changed on the iphone, so it could have easily been a video and not actual use.

[Rich1989]

This is not a mistake- 12 apps up top, 4 apps on the bottom = 16 apps.
perhaps.. i personally wouldnt call a whole ipod or phone an app though

theres going to be so many starbucks pins in maps! its going to be hard to pick the right one, i think my finger would cover a few.

[daneoni]

Pretty extensive video. Covers alot of stuff.....good to know word/excel pdf can be viewed, shame no editing functions though.

Looks pretty impressive but i can't help but think it needs a fat data plan to enjoy all the good stuff. Im still most likely gonna wait for Rev B though.

[justflie]

the screen looks SO GOOD in real life (ie not CG). I'm also impressed with the fluidity of the transitions.

[Mydel]

Steve already showed us the sim tray, during the MWSF 2007 keynote I believe.

Yes but we dont know if its gonna be "accessible". If they gonna set up online activation via iTunes so that mean iPhone has to come together with the SIM card. And the question remains...are you gonna be able to remove it??:confused:

[cheunghy]

Still... No demo of the Camera feature...

[Sandfleaz]

Way Cool & Far Out!
pardon, just had a 60's flashback!

[zombitronic]

i cant ever imagine wanting Stocks as a major app on my phone tho.. :S

It's so us AAPL shareholders can watch our phone pay for itself.

[sbrownla]

Still... No demo of the Camera feature...

Nope, cuz 2 megapixels is nothing to write home about.

[bytethese]

Did anyone else catch the thumb typing a la Blackberry? I've heard a lot of concern regarding this, was one of my own since I have been a Crackberry user for 5yrs now. Typing on this thing is going to be a dream!!

[justflie]

It was very clever to do the titles in between video segments using/showing ways to interact with the iPhone (ie the tap zoom in and the flick to move the title off the page).

[rdrr]

The demonstrator stopped short of scrolling through all the settings, possibly to hide some undisclosed features?

Also has anyone else noticed that the square in the home button is the same shape and size of the built in isight cameras on the imac, macbook, and macbooks pros? Could there possibly be an ichat camera hidden in plain sight all this time? :)

[PoitNarf]

I don't know if I'd call the 'phone' button an Application.

No, but Apple would.

[asphalt-proof]

I have been a on a roller coaster ride with this unreleased phone. When first announced, I told my wife I was going to buy one as soon as it was released. THen My desire waned when no mention of Outlook support was mentioned. But I REALLY don't require push email and since I can access my Outlook through the internet this is looking more and more like a MUST HAVE. MUST... RESIST... TILL... SECOND... GENERATIONNNNN!!!!!

[gmanrique]

he promptly talked about the 4 main features (icons at the bottom). First I though the 16 applications included those, but now I think we are in for a surprise.

:) Did you catch how he said "16 different applications"? ;)

[sam10685]

Gee... Apple is really goin nuts over this thing. :)

[PoitNarf]

he promptly talked about the 4 main features (icons at the bottom). First I though the 16 applications included those, but now I think we are in for a surprise.

Then prepare to be disappointed.

[bravedeer]

But 2mp is plenty for snapshots which is what phones are good for anyway. You can put 10 megapixels in a phone and it'll still only be good for snapshots.

Nope, cuz 2 megapixels is nothing to write home about.

[calpundit]

In demonstrating how to change ringtones, the video only demonstrates how to move between the phone's built-in ringtones.

Unless I missed it, there's nothing to indicate the ability to set a song as a ringtone.

Has there been anything publicized about the iPhone to suggest that you can use your iPod music as a ringtone?

For me, it's not a huge deal, but a lot of people like to set music as their ringtone. It would be a shame if you bought a song from iTunes, then had to pay for it again as a ringtone.

[VaDor]

why does the guy in the video look so sad??

Because in the end of the tour he have to pay for one.. and that's sad cus he had it for 20 minutes :D

[VaDor]

MMS ... :confused: missing feature..

[daneoni]

why does the guy in the video look so sad??

Yeah he is kinda boring, almost fell asleep. They shoulda used the PC guy from PC/Mac ads to present the features. Would've been much better IMHO

[meagain]

re the 16 apps - watch the video closely again.
He circles the area that is the home screen (12 app section), then says from 'here' you can use any one of the 16 apps. Then goes on to talk about the bottom.

I'm choosing to believe 4 more apps. :)

[pengu]

Nope, cuz 2 megapixels is nothing to write home about.

you DO know that 2mpx is in excess of 1600×1200 right?

[lofight]

:) Did you catch how he said "16 different applications"? ;)

i think he meant the 12 app's above with the black background and the 4 app's like ipod and the web and such stuff

[mrwilly123]

Nope, cuz 2 megapixels is nothing to write home about.

When we're talking about tiny lenses, megapixels has very little to do with image quality. In fact, you really don't want more than 2.

The more pixels you pack into a tiny CCD, each pixel sensor gets smaller and less light gets to each pixel. To make up for that and make the image brighter, the camera has to bump up the ISO speed, making the image grainier. You really don't want more than 2 megapixels in a camera of that size.

Also, you wouldn't see the drawbacks of a 2 megapixel (that's a 1600x1200 image) on either the 320x480 iPhone, or this video, or even most computers.

Yes, the quality of the iPhone camera has yet to be seen, but 2 megapixels tells us nothing.

[coolosxapps]

re the 16 apps - watch the video closely again.
He circles the area that is the home screen (12 app section), then says from 'here' you can use any one of the 16 apps. Then goes on to talk about the bottom.

I'm choosing to believe 4 more apps. :)

Exactly, that's what lead me to believe the same thing. :) He never indicated the bottom four applications, just the top "16" in the home screen.

[PokezoN]

The two fingers tapping is SWEET !

and deleating by flicking your finger.. aww lol .. and i thought they lost it after WWDC..

i love apple

[AdeFowler]

In demonstrating how to change ringtones, the video only demonstrates how to move between the phone's built-in ringtones.

Unless I missed it, there's nothing to indicate the ability to set a song as a ringtone.

Has there been anything publicized about the iPhone to suggest that you can use your iPod music as a ringtone?

For me, it's not a huge deal, but a lot of people like to set music as their ringtone. It would be a shame if you bought a song from iTunes, then had to pay for it again as a ringtone.
Earlier in the year there was a screen grab going around of iTunes with a Ringtones tab in the iPod synching section. Speculation was that Apple will sell Ringtones through iTunes, so allowing songs to be used seems unlikely :(

[ajhill]

In the first half of the movie, the demonstrator mentions that you can use any of the other functions of the phone DURING a phone call.

I can't tell you how many times I've wanted to look something up for someone only to be lock out of that feature during a call. Browsing the web, or photo albums during a call is really cool.

A multitasking cell phone, cool.

Are we still speculating on even more features? Well, I'm with the camera/button people on the bottom of the phone to be used for video conferencing. That's just too cool a feature for Steve Jobs to have passed up.

Al

[kymac]

vibrate was confirmed! or has that always been known?

[madmaxmedia]

Yeah, 2 good megapixels (which I'm not really expecting) would be a lot to write home about.

I think it will probably be better than par for cell phones, but not close to what you'd get out of a dedicated digicam.

When we're talking about tiny lenses, megapixels has very little to do with image quality. In fact, you really don't want more than 2.

The more pixels you pack into a tiny CCD, each pixel sensor gets smaller and less light gets to each pixel. To make up for that and make the image brighter, the camera has to bump up the ISO speed, making the image grainier. You really don't want more than 2 megapixels in a camera of that size.

[daneoni]

MMS ... :confused: missing feature..

Yeah its missing, still cant wrap my head around that one. Hopefully it'll show up in Rev B

[pengu]

Earlier in the year there was a screen grab going around of iTunes with a Ringtones tab in the iPod synching section. Speculation was that Apple will sell Ringtones through iTunes, so allowing songs to be used seems unlikely :(

Im sure it won't take long to make an AAC file with the correct metadata to make itunes think its a ringtone :D

[Texas04]

I wonder what would come up if we called Mr. John Appleseed

408-550-3542

hmm...

Any takers?

[CTYankee]

That "End Call" button is right where my cheek would be....they didn't say if the touch screen is disabled when talking. Anyone know if this is how it will work?

[PharmD]

Gee... Apple is really goin nuts over this thing. :)

A big joke among Nintendo fans is that the DS prints money. This will do the same for apple.

I am very impressed with the Maps app. You really don't need a GPS with all it can do imo.

I think my wife is finally on the bandwagon. After watching the guided tour with me she said "when you look at this vs buying a GPS, cell phone, iPod, and PDA, the iPhone is really a deal.":D

[mac.life]

He calls it a mobile phone. Is that unusual in the states?

No, not usual in all places.

Yes, 'mobile phone' fits the category of device, but most people I interact with simply call it a cell or cell phone (i.e: a mobile phone that works on 'cell networks' (vs. the prior technology mobile radio networks that existed before "cell" technology) that pass you from one "cell" to another as you move from location to location.

Some folks do call it a mobile, as in, "Call me on my mobile." But most will tell you to call them on their cell.

(Just some nonsense to think about as we ALL wait to touch a real iPhone!):p

[DavidLeblond]

That "End Call" button is right where my cheek would be....they didn't say if the touch screen is disabled when talking. Anyone know if this is how it will work?

The iPhone has a proximity sensor. We've known that for awhile now. :)

[rdrr]

That "End Call" button is right where my cheek would be....they didn't say if the touch screen is disabled when talking. Anyone know if this is how it will work?

Already confirmed from launch day... When the phone is held up to the face, the proximity sensor disables the touch screen.

doh... little late on the response :D

[macjackpro]

They should hook this into Garageband. Make your own ringtones, or edit songs to make ringtones.

I'm sure they will sell ringtones in iTunes for the iPhone. I've heard ringtones can go for lots of money. If iTunes charges $.99 for them, it could disrupt the whole ringtone industry.


In demonstrating how to change ringtones, the video only demonstrates how to move between the phone's built-in ringtones.

Unless I missed it, there's nothing to indicate the ability to set a song as a ringtone.

Has there been anything publicized about the iPhone to suggest that you can use your iPod music as a ringtone?

For me, it's not a huge deal, but a lot of people like to set music as their ringtone. It would be a shame if you bought a song from iTunes, then had to pay for it again as a ringtone.

[gri]

The video made everything look so easy, but I noticed the time never changed on the iphone, so it could have easily been a video and not actual use.

Seems to be a simulation as the hand typing never changes the position of the fingers. They must have placed the hand image over a simulated iphone, its not the real deal. :rolleyes:

[daneoni]

So is the sim tray on top of the phone like the Treos? Cos i can't see any other logical location.

[p0intblank]

I just watched the guided tour and I loved it! I was really surprised when I saw you could preview Word documents and view traffic information within Google Maps. Even though the iPhone doesn't have true GPS, this is pretty close if you ask me.

[yayaba]

I think my wife is finally on the bandwagon. After watching the guided tour with me she said "when you look at this vs buying a GPS, cell phone, iPod, and PDA, the iPhone is really a deal.":D

Well, technically, the iPhone won't help you out if you're lost in the middle of nowhere with no cell signal. That's a scenario where a dedicated GPS will get you out of there.

But still, the video was very very cool. I did notice that there was no apparent way to set your own ringtones besides the preinstalled ones. Or maybe it's just buried under another option...

Traffic on Google Maps is nothing new. Google's Java based Gmaps app already has it but it definitely isn't as easy to use :P

[Johnny...]

I wonder what would come up if we called Mr. John Appleseed

408-550-3542

hmm...

Any takers?

its just an answering machine

[yayaba]

They should hook this into Garageband. Make your own ringtones, or edit songs to make ringtones.

I'm sure they will sell ringtones in iTunes for the iPhone. I've heard ringtones can go for lots of money. If iTunes charges $.99 for them, it could disrupt the whole ringtone industry.

Ringtone for $.99? The same price as a regular song? That seems kind of pricey to me...

Either way though, I didn't see any UI in the Settings page to let you even choose a store bought Ringtone but I guess I'd have to play around with it myself to know for sure.

[pagansoul]

I took half day off on friday so I can check out the Apple Store at North Point Mall in Georgia. The sale will not start till 6pm but maybe we will get to see some real demos and actually touch a phone before that time. I hope the plan packages will be available by then.

[zap2]

i think you mean 12 and 4 but i agree.

- ok did you fix a typo (from "14 and 4") or did i just imagine it completely?



Whatever you quoted was what they had....quotes don't change, unless you edited the quote.

(Simple terms is you imagined it :) )

JOhn Lennon would be happy

[Darkroom]

i'm assume the most frustrating thing with the iPhone is going to be double tapping to enlarge a webpage... you also have to double tap a link, and i'm quite certain that when a user simply means to enlarge the page (like google search), it's going to accidentally goto a link instead, or vice-versa...

and that guy giving the guided tour is creepy... like pedophile-creepy... that's all...

[p0intblank]

Ringtone for $.99? The same price as a regular song? That seems kind of pricey to me...


Through my experience, $0.99 is cheap for a ringtone. I believe the average ringtone goes for $1.99. And plus there's a huge market for them. It's easy money...

[MLeepson]

It was very clever to do the titles in between video segments using/showing ways to interact with the iPhone (ie the tap zoom in and the flick to move the title off the page).

I loved that, I thought that was very creative.

[karterius]

Did anyone else pick up on the flux capacitor built into the iPhone!?

Lol when you're watching the video during the Settings section, as he moves through the Settings the Usage goes from...

7h 6m... 7h 18m... 7h 38m...

Yet the phones time still remains at 9:42am during the whole presentation, and only 2 minutes passed by in real time during this part of the presentation!

Apple... Bending Space and Time...

GSM = Great Scott Marty!

[Doctor Q]

It's a well-done tour video.

My observations:He said "Favorites is a great way to speed dial someone with just one tap." Then he showed how you do it, with three taps! (You tap Favorites, then +, then Johnny Appleseed.)

Color blind people may have trouble with the red used to differentiate phone messages, and the red used to show traffic problems. No sign of color preferences in the Settings, but we didn't see all of the Settings.

Sometimes "zoom out" is 1 click; sometimes 2.

The spokesman said "we" so he's (pretending to be?) an Apple employee, not a third-party like a model or an ad agency worker.

The video ends by mentioning the date iPhones go on sale, so in its current form the "Tour" is only good for the next week.

[kgiglio2]

$.99 for a ringtone is a steal....currently, cingular's ringtones are 2.49 each...they wouldn't charge less than that or it would ruin at&t's ringtone sales...........or maybe make more people buy iPhones

[macridah]

I'm impressed. A lot of extra small but handy features that i always wanted in a phone. That's attention to detail for you.

[pengu]

Whatever you quoted was what they had....quotes don't change, unless you edited the quote.

(Simple terms is you imagined it :) )

JOhn Lennon would be happy

great. it was (then) only 2am, and im already imagining numbers. and this damn leprechaun wont shut up about wanting nachos...


and that guy giving the guided tour is creepy... like pedophile-creepy... that's all...

pedo creepy? no. crazy yank pronunciations creepy? yes.

[bdj21ya]

Readers for Word and Excel, at launchtime? THIS IS HUGE!!! Resisting is becoming...so..difficult. Wallet..getting...heavier.

[TenaciousPZ]

Vibrate Function Confirmed! I Hope someone else saw this and is as excited as I am.

[sam10685]

Is the internet accessible where ever you are? That's what the maps demo made it sound like.

[oscuh]

As soon as my contract with Sprint is up, I'm buying one, hands down, no question. I don't currently have an iPod, so this will meet several needs of mine simultaneously. Even at $599, it's a steal. C'mon November!

[nagromme]

That "End Call" button is right where my cheek would be....they didn't say if the touch screen is disabled when talking. Anyone know if this is how it will work?

Not disabled while talking--you can go on speakerphone and surf the web if you want--but it IS disabled while being held to your face (and the screen light also shuts off to save battery). This uses a proximity sensor and has been touted by Apple all year.

I am very impressed with the Maps app. You really don't need a GPS with all it can do imo.

Need, no. Want, yes! Complete with Google Earth's 3D terrain please :)

[pengu]

Color blind people may have trouble with the red used to differentiate phone messages, and the red used to show traffic problems. No sign of color preferences in the Settings, but we didn't see all of the Settings.


red can be a problem (im not C/Blind but having huge dealio about application usability for web apps @ work) but Orange/Green go almost exactly the same colour (yes the word has a U in it, get used to it! :p ) under one type of c/blindness.

under another, red green and orange ALL go a shade of pink. Yellow is one of the only colours that is largely unaffected. but yellow is crap for normal-sighted people except in small amounts.

[coolosxapps]

Also, several people were wondering about the Airplane mode and whether the iPhone had one. Indeed it does! Whenever you turn on Airplane mode via the Settings menu, it disables all Wi-Fi signals and other cell phone signals submitted from the phone, and complies with the standards for usage on the plane.

[bdj21ya]

A big joke among Nintendo fans is that the DS prints money. This will do the same for apple.

I am very impressed with the Maps app. You really don't need a GPS with all it can do imo.

I think my wife is finally on the bandwagon. After watching the guided tour with me she said "when you look at this vs buying a GPS, cell phone, iPod, and PDA, the iPhone is really a deal.":D

Just make sure she knows it won't actually perform the functions of a GPS, although the maps are great if you know where you are, which is almost always. I haven't seen the video yet, so wait, does the tour mention some sort of Google Maps App ability that I don't know about?

[kymac]

Vibrate Function Confirmed! I Hope someone else saw this and is as excited as I am.

yea i noticed too. http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=3797717#post3797717

[coolosxapps]

Well it does feature turn-by-turn directions just like a GPS.

[SirOmega]

After watching that video I can definately say...

Your favorite phone sucks. Unless its an iPhone.

I can understand why they're charging so much when you can get so much out of it.

[MLeepson]

The demonstrator stopped short of scrolling through all the settings, possibly to hide some undisclosed features?

Also has anyone else noticed that the square in the home button is the same shape and size of the built in isight cameras on the imac, macbook, and macbooks pros? Could there possibly be an ichat camera hidden in plain sight all this time? :)

It's possible; In the video, they didn't demo the camera feature. But, on the other hand, why would one thing have two purposes (a camera and button)

The reason cameras are placed on the backs of non-flip phones was so one person, "the operator" , can take a picture of someone else/people while they ("the operator") can see the screen.

If the camera was in the front, the back would be pretty boring (well, not really, there is an Apple logo there) and then the "the operator" would have a tough time trying to take a picture of the other person(s). But if the camera were on the front, it would be easier for the operator to take a picture of themself.

I predict that the camera will stay the same. But who knows? (besides Steve and his "inner circle" :P )
It would be really cool if there were a camera on the front and back.

[puckhead193]

anyone else notice that the fish wallpaper wasn't listed when he went into settings... i liked that background.
This makes me want one even more.... way to go apple marketing ;)

[rdrr]

I hope with the release of leopard that the iphone coverflow will also work with your contacts, and email... :D

[nagromme]

Color blind people may have trouble with the red used to differentiate phone messages, and the red used to show traffic problems. No sign of color preferences in the Settings, but we didn't see all of the Settings.

Hopefully they can distinguish it from black, though--as long as it looks gray or brown or something other than black it should do the job. But additional accessibility options would be great.

The spokesman said "we" so he's (pretending to be?) an Apple employee, not a third-party like a model or an ad agency worker.

Now you're making suspicious that some of the company reps in TV ads might be actors :p

[smeagol]

There was plenty of new stuff to see. You can view Word and Excel documents, the content of the elusive settings button was finally shown, we heard more ringtones, airplane mode, etc. We finally see how to turn the iphone off completely, a new gesture for deleting unwanted content with the quick finger swipe to the right and also a zoom out with the double-finger tap in google maps. Driving directions and traffic. A nice teaser.

All we're missing now is a full version of ichat, syncing with google address book and calendars, some more widgets like white/yellow pages, flight tracker, that nifty package tracker, dictionary/theasuraus (see i spelt it wrong), and a unit converter, oohh and translator and wikipedia. Some version of iWork compatible with office and of course compatibility with blackberry servers for those who need it.

Am I missing anything? besides 3G and GPS of course

End of rant

[TheAnswer]

It's a well-done tour video.

My observations:He said "Favorites is a great way to speed dial someone with just one tap." Then he showed how you do it, with three taps! (You tap Favorites, then +, then Johnny Appleseed.)

Three taps to add Johnny Appleseed as a favorite...but to call you only need two taps (tap favorites then the name).

[dante@sisna.com]

I work for AT&T and have been thinking about getting one - but after seeing that 20 min video that want is turning into a "need!":) :) :) :apple:

Yep, this phone will pay for itself in one year.

It destroys my Blackberry Pearl in all aspects.

Now I am going to stand in line.

Before this demo I could care less.

[EricNau]

Is the internet accessible where ever you are? That's what the maps demo made it sound like.
Yes, using EDGE.

Well it does feature turn-by-turn directions just like a GPS.
Not exactly. A GPS would know exactly where you were and give you turn by turn directions as your drove. With the iPhone you need to enter a starting location and continually tell the iPhone to advance to the next step.

[jialuolu]

Come onnn, Canadian release before Christmas, please! :D

Wish it had a demonstration of the camera, though

[bravedeer]

Watch again. It's confusing because he says it's easy to speed dial with one tap. Then he proceeds to demonstrate not FAVORITES but calling from the address book. When he moves to favorites, it's one tap.

And obviously the tap where you choose favorites doesn't count!

[QUOTE=Doctor Q;3797788]It's a well-done tour video.

My observations:[indent]He said "Favorites is a great way to speed dial someone with just one tap." Then he showed how you do it, with three taps! (You tap Favorites, then +, then Johnny Appleseed.)

[TheBobcat]

Thank God, we've learned that it syncs with Outlook (in some capacity), vibrates, reads Word and Excel files, and has an airplane mode. I feel like a weight is off my shoulders. Ahhhh...:)

[junebug1]

after posting that video i'm surprised AAPL has still dropped today. how can you watch that and not be drooling by the end. i completely forget every gripe i had about the phone before today. 7 days is too long. that phone is iNcredible.

[coolosxapps]

Not exactly. A GPS would know exactly where you were and give you turn by turn directions as your drove. With the iPhone you need to enter a starting location and continually tell the iPhone to advance to the next step.

Sure, you need to have a starting location and a destination location, but it does provide turn by turn directions, although it doesn't know where you are. However it's better than not having turn by turn directions at all!

[rockthecasbah]

All those features are great, but i'm wondering how the sensitivity of the screen performs during real life use. I think I may go to the launch just to play with it and hang with my fellow Applephiles :)

[bdj21ya]

Wow, I just got to the point where he said "scroll back" through the voicemail!!! That will be awesome for long or confusing voicemails. This means you can probably scroll forward too. Sweet.

[MacTheSpoon]

Dang, it looks like you can't select your own ringtone... unless there's some option in a forthcoming iTunes that lets you add your own.

Very cool about the Excel and Word doc reading!

[pengu]

I hope with the release of leopard that the iphone coverflow will also work with your contacts, and email... :D

that would be really cool (contacts anyway.. can't see it being overly useful for email..


All we're missing now is .....

syncing with google address book and calendars


look @ http://www.apple.com/iphone/easysetup/getready.html
it supports Yahoo! Address book, and GMail (along with the others) email. im sure Google Contacts wont be far off..

[MonkeyClaw]

It's possible; In the video, they didn't demo the camera feature. But, on the other hand, why would one thing have two purposes (a camera and button)

The reason cameras are placed on the backs of non-flip phones was so one person, "the operator" , can take a picture of someone else/people while they ("the operator") can see the screen.

If the camera was in the front, the back would be pretty boring (well, not really, there is an Apple logo there) and then the "the operator" would have a tough time trying to take a picture of the other person(s). But if the camera were on the front, it would be easier for the operator to take a picture of themself.

I predict that the camera will stay the same. But who knows? (besides Steve and his "inner circle" :P )
It would be really cool if there were a camera on the front and back.

I think what he was suggesting is that there are 2 cameras. The standard in the back, and one in the home button for video conferencing. That little white square looks just like an iSight, and coincidently, during the MWSF keynote, I even commented on that to a friend. But who knows!

[TitoC]

It's possible; In the video, they didn't demo the camera feature. But, on the other hand, why would one thing have two purposes (a camera and button)

The reason cameras are placed on the backs of non-flip phones was so one person, "the operator" , can take a picture of someone else/people while they ("the operator") can see the screen.

If the camera was in the front, the back would be pretty boring (well, not really, there is an Apple logo there) and then the "the operator" would have a tough time trying to take a picture of the other person(s). But if the camera were on the front, it would be easier for the operator to take a picture of themself.

I predict that the camera will stay the same. But who knows? (besides Steve and his "inner circle" :P )
It would be really cool if there were a camera on the front and back.

I think you're missing the point. What rdrr was talking about was the possibility of an iChat camera, in ADDITION to the camera in back. So, the camera in back would be for taking still pictures, just like in any other cell phone camera, but the camera in front would be used as an iSight camera for video conferencing ala iChat. This of course would be used to show video of yourself, just like in iChat. It wasn't one REPLACING the other, it's just in addition to the other. One for a still camera, one for a video camera. I personally don't think this is going to happen (especially with using EDGE as opposed to a 3G system - but should work fine in WiFi mode), but hey, we can all wish can't we. I sure as heck would be loving it if it did happen. Maybe in version 2.0. Maybe . . . .

[/dev/toaster]

I put the video on my AppleTV to watch it, was kinda fun. I gotta say though, I am rather impressed. Just like OS X, its flexible, smooth and the interface makes sense.

Anyone notice the dates and times ? The time never changes ... its always 9:42am. All of the email shows 6/15/2007, and in one screen it showed last updated 6/22/2007. Either they planned this ahead and knew when they would release it, or they shot it this morning.

I almost didn't watch the video. Now that I have, I can't wait to get it. This thing is going to fscking rock :D

[puckhead193]

Very cool about the Excel and Word doc reading!

i wish you can edit them, i wonder if you can copy and paste the text into an an email for editing. Then you can email it to have someone in the office put it into a word document.

Also i was thinking about it, you can sync your photos and use them as a background i guess you can make your own custom background in PS and just save it as a photo and sync...
I guess where going to have to start a new thread everyone month "post your iphone wallpaper" ;)

[ajhill]

Apple clearly made a point in the video to address the dreaded keyboard issue that has been the biggest complaint so far.

1. They showed initially typing with one index finger. Pretty fast.
2. They show typing with two thumbs. Faster still.
3. Then they note that after some time typing will be fast (if you learn to trust the correcting keyboard).

And who said being all thumbs was a bad thing. Typing with two thumbs looked pretty fast to me. And just wait until the kids get their hands on this phone, they will be able to fly like you cannot imagine.

Okay, let's finally put the keyboard rumors to sleep. The horizontal keyboard will certainly be in the first software update in a few weeks. The only reason they didn't put it in initially was that they didn't think they needed it.

The real beauty of the iPhone is that elegant little enhancements like adding a horizontal keyboard are just an update away. And free to boot. Try updating your Blackberry after the purchase. Not going to happen.

All I can say is WOW!

[avalys]

So, what is going to happen at 9:42 AM on June 29th?

[karterius]

Anyone find it odd that they glanced over the camera itself, and use... I'm wondering if it doesn't have video at all. Especially since there is no section for it....

[oscuh]

Anyone know where the camera lens is? I'm guessing on the back, but they didn't demo it ... I doubt the button is the lens since you'd have to turn the thing around to take pics .. awkward.

[johncarync]

WOW! That's the first time I've had an orgasm while watching a non-pornographic movie! :D

-John

[rdrr]

maybe someone can get in touch with the folks over at smash my iphone (http://www.smashmyiphone.com/), if they get enough money, and ask them for the smashed results to do a little look into the guts. I sure am not brave enough to open up the device to see what is inside... :eek:

[Mac21ND]

I am reminded of the "perfect storm" of consumer marketing that Computerworld believed Microsoft was delivering for the Zune last year--thus, supposedly, making Apple very afraid :p

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=printArticleBasic&articleId=9003718

Now, what Apple & AT&T have gradually played up for a half a year--THAT is a perfect storm.

PS, I don't like that hand model. I prefer the tree-frog hands they use in their patents.

PPS, I really hope it can read PDFs, HTML pages, and other documents stored on the thing's internal HD. THAT would be great--I'd store tons of useful info for business and pleasure.

Yeah, from a marketing standpoint, Apple is doing a great job with the iPhone. They're managing the hype by consistantly revealing more and more about the product as launch date approaches instead of just spewing everything two months ago. The online guide is great - it's another tool for teaching people about the iPhone and building hype.

I still believe one of the biggest reasons the Zune essientially failed is because MS went after the wrong iPod. They should have targeted the iPod mini/nano market and not the 5th Gen. They could have uncut the nano on price, offered cool colors (brown, wtf?), focused on making a thin product and dropped the wifi sharing. The Zune is a classic case of what happens when engineers design a product (no offense to any engineers :-) )

[rdrr]

Anyone know where the camera lens is? I'm guessing on the back, but they didn't demo it ... I doubt the button is the lens since you'd have to turn the thing around to take pics .. awkward.

the 2 meg pixel camera in on the upper left side of the back of the phone.

[Ted Witcher]

Wonder if you can lock it or delete the contact info if you lose it. And will it dock with existing third-party peripherals (iPod clock, portable speakers, etc.)?

[Aldyn]

jfkdasklfadklsfjsdfkdsjf not bad not bad. that narrator / whatever guy was kind of annoying though.

[MacTheSpoon]

Man, I just looked at the 360 view... That thing is gorgeous! :) Can't wait to see it in person.

[oscuh]

the 2 meg pixel camera in on the upper left side of the back of the phone.

cool, thanks!

[Custer76]

The video briefly mentions the camera but never shows how to use it nor does it show a camera application. That black space on iphone displays is the perfect size for four more apps - at least an application for using the camera has to be somewhere on the phone.:cool:

[Random Ping]

Ringtone for $.99? The same price as a regular song? That seems kind of pricey to me...

It is pricey from the iTunes perspective, but it is cheap from the wireless phone perspective. The industry has been selling song fragments for $2.50-$3.00 for many years.

I read yesterday that one of the major carriers (not AT&T) just dropped their ringtone prices from $2.50 to $0.99; the article cited pressures from the iPhone.

[justflie]

Unless I'm wrong (or forgot about this feature being already detailed), it seems you can scroll out with two fingers making a downward swipe, just like you would on an Apple trackpad for a notebook. That's really cool and helpful, especially since I've caught myself try to scroll like that on pc notebooks lately... :) By the way, I saw this (or think I did) at right around the 9:00-9:10 mark, when he zooms out of the map (I believe it's centered on the satellite view of the apple campus).

Lemme know what you think!

[TonyBaloney]

the directions and traffic features are awesome!!

[rbailer]

I think one of the coolest features that has been overlooked is the traffic feature. I live in a very populated suburb, so know what roads to take, and which ones to avoid is a huge plus for me. If that thing is accurate, I would pay $600 just for the feature alone.

[kdarling]

Sure, you need to have a starting location and a destination location, but it does provide turn by turn directions, although it doesn't know where you are. However it's better than not having turn by turn directions at all!

Well, yeah, but anyone's been able to do that on Google maps, or a dozen other sites for years. Everyone I know with a smart phone is constantly using Google maps, eBay, looking up restaurant reviews, etc.

[Truesilver]

Option to buy online?

At the bottom-right side of most of the gallery / info pages, there's a box for locating a nearby Apple or AT&T store. The box also has a grayed out section of text which may eventually be a link to buy one online: (Bold for Emphasis)

Find an Apple Store (http://www.apple.com/retail/)
Find an AT&T Store (http://www.wireless.att.com/buy/store_locator)
Or Buy OnlineExample / Source URL:

[http://www.apple.com/iphone/phone/

[lilnyc]

I just finished watching it, and now I want one so bad I can't stand it!

Me too. I'm drooling now. Seriously, I have family coming to town, but they might have to tour New York alone until I get my iPhone.

[slffl]

Dang, it looks like you can't select your own ringtone... unless there's some option in a forthcoming iTunes that lets you add your own.

Very cool about the Excel and Word doc reading!

I'm sure you will eventually be able to make your own ringtone, put it in iTunes, and it will sync straight to that list of ringtones on the iPhone.

[Random Ping]

Unless I missed it, there's nothing to indicate the ability to set a song as a ringtone.

Has there been anything publicized about the iPhone to suggest that you can use your iPod music as a ringtone?

That has been a big issue/concern/question for a while. Of course, you may want only part of the song, especially if the songs start quiet and slow and then builds.

If Apple makes it trivial to connect Garage Band to your iTunes-ringtone section to your iPhone, then I can see an explosion of personal ring tones. Some people do this already, but it takes too many steps.

[pengu]

maybe someone can get in touch with the folks over at smash my iphone (http://www.smashmyiphone.com/), if they get enough money, and ask them for the smashed results to do a little look into the guts. I sure am not brave enough to open up the device to see what is inside... :eek:

the fact that people will donate money to buy a brand new $500 phone just to see it SMASHED, is a clear sign of whats wrong with society.

[TonyBaloney]

Me too. I'm drooling now. Seriously, I have family coming to town, but they might have to tour New York alone until I get my iPhone.

only when you buy it then you can be like " huh i dont know where that place is either but thats ok cuz i got my iphone!"

[pengu]

That has been a big issue/concern/question for a while. Of course, you may want only part of the song, especially if the songs start quiet and slow and then builds.

If Apple makes it trivial to connect Garage Band to your iTunes-ringtone section to your iPhone, then I can see an explosion of personal ring tones. Some people do this already, but it takes too many steps.

how is "find song, cut section i want (optional step), send file via bluetooth" too many steps?

[Random Ping]

Also has anyone else noticed that the square in the home button is the same shape and size of the built in isight cameras on the imac, macbook, and macbooks pros?

This has been mentioned a few times. I would be concerned about the effects of the concave glass of the button on the view and the fact that every time you touch the home button you leave your fingerprint on the lens.

[jialuolu]

Great news about being able to view Word docs but does anyone know if it's possible to save them somewhere and access them through the Notes app, maybe?

[Ugg]

That was a great video. I've been on the fence about the iPhone so far but, man, it's sure tempting. I'll let the early adopters have their way with it and then take another look at it. Maybe I don't need that Mac Mini after all...

[oscuh]

Option to buy online?

At the bottom-right side of most of the gallery / info pages, there's a box for locating a nearby Apple or AT&T store. The box also has a grayed out section of text which may eventually be a link to buy one online: (Bold for Emphasis)

Find an Apple Store (http://www.apple.com/retail/)
Find an AT&T Store (http://www.wireless.att.com/buy/store_locator)
Or Buy OnlineExample / Source URL:

[http://www.apple.com/iphone/phone/

I saw this, too. I'm pretty sure you can buy directly from Apple; this was discussed in earlier press releases/forum threads. Still have to go to AT&T to get it activated, though ... not sure what benefit there would be to buying from Apple, though ...

[Lava Lamp Freak]

My only remaining concern is voice dialing. Nothing is mentioned. I'm assuming that is just because its so common there was no need to mention it.

[mac.life]

Watch again. It's confusing because he says it's easy to speed dial with one tap. Then he proceeds to demonstrate not FAVORITES but calling from the address book. When he moves to favorites, it's one tap.

And obviously the tap where you choose favorites doesn't count!

[QUOTE=Doctor Q;3797788]It's a well-done tour video.

My observations:[indent]He said "Favorites is a great way to speed dial someone with just one tap." Then he showed how you do it, with three taps! (You tap Favorites, then +, then Johnny Appleseed.)

Hello? Johnny Appleseed was NOT in Favorites.
So he demonstrated how to add him to Favorites.
Once he is in the list, It's One Tap."

I think we need to check the drinking water in parts of the country (there may be some sort of an inhibitor in it).

[Random Ping]

Nope, cuz 2 megapixels is nothing to write home about.

Generally I agree (especially from a marketing point of view), but be careful of the megapixel myth. The lens is generally a more important feature than the number of pixels, and unless Apple wants to put a large lens on the iPhone (which I don't think they will do), I suspect anymore than 2 Megapixels would be a waste.

[oscuh]

why are you two arguing about a tap count?

:rolleyes:

[cloudnine]

From 360 view its hard to say if battery will be replaceable but frankly speaking does NOT look like it. But on the top is something that could actually be a SIM tray. And thats a good news

the battery will NOT be replaceable. jesus ***** christ.

[Random Ping]

Whenever you turn on Airplane mode via the Settings menu, it disables all Wi-Fi signals and other cell phone signals submitted from the phone, and complies with the standards for usage on the plane.

And your battery time increases. :)

[Porchland]

and who has that sexy HAND that we see everywhere?!?!?!

George Costanza!

[nagromme]

I think I browsed the whole thread and didn't see it mentioned: in the QTVR, doesn't that look like a paperclip-operated SIM slot on top?

Great news about being able to view Word docs but does anyone know if it's possible to save them somewhere and access them through the Notes app, maybe?

That's my hope too. Like the way Notes on an iPod can view text, hypertext, images, audio clips, and video.

I want to be able to browse the iPhone's storage and view any supported document or image. GREAT for referring to past business proposals, reference info, etc..

[JMax1]

They should hook this into Garageband. Make your own ringtones, or edit songs to make ringtones.

I'm sure they will sell ringtones in iTunes for the iPhone. I've heard ringtones can go for lots of money. If iTunes charges $.99 for them, it could disrupt the whole ringtone industry.

yeah no reason to charge more for a ringtone than it costs to buy the actual song, eh?

[Edit] Perhaps ringtones are only cheaper on an iPhone plan. They stay at whatever they are at now for all other phone, thus not ruining AT&Ts ringtone revenue and promoting iPhone sales

[oscuh]

Whaddabout assigning songs from your library as ringtones?

[Dippo]

I sat down and watch the whole thing and I was impressed.

[EricNau]

I think I browsed the whole thread and didn't see it mentioned: in the QTVR, doesn't that look like a paperclip-operated SIM slot on top?
That what I thought as well.

[martijn.s]

:) Did you catch how he said "16 different applications"? ;)

the 12 on the top + phone, ipod, safari, and mail.

[justflie]

So wait, there is support for Word and Excel files. So what about Pages and Keynote? I would hope that there is at least some reader functionality built in for pages, keynote would be a nice bonus.

[Nitrox]

Holy crap, when will the iPhone be available in Canada? Can't wait.

[nagromme]

the battery will NOT be replaceable. jesus ***** christ.

Correction: the battery will DEFINITELY be replaceable. Possibly officially replaceable, but by 3rd parties if not. It will just not be EASY for a user to do themselves, and the preferred method will be to take it to an Apple Store.

Carrying spares will not be an option. However, external booster batteries will be (probably some built into cases, too). They'll add bulk to carry, but so does carrying spare batteries.

[oscuh]

Correction: the battery will DEFINITELY be replaceable. Possibly officially replaceable, but by 3rd parties if not. It will just not be EASY for a user to do themselves, and the preferred method will be to take it to an Apple Store.

Carrying spares will not be an option. However, external booster batteries will be (probably some built into cases, too). They'll add bulk to carry, but so does carrying spare batteries.

yah, an irreplaceable battery would be disastrous from a marketing perspective ...

[JMax1]

Well it does feature turn-by-turn directions just like a GPS.

whats wrong with reading a map like a map? :cool:

[Random Ping]

Apple clearly made a point in the video to address the dreaded keyboard issue that has been the biggest complaint so far.

I picked up on that too. The message: Don't judge the virtual keyboard from your initial experience -- give it a week.

Side note: Apple did file a patent for a slide out keyboard a few months ago (or at least, that was when the patent surfaced). Just as the iPod has multiplied into many models for many niches, I could see some variants of the iPhone with a slideout keyboard.

[Random Ping]

WOW! That's the first time I've had an orgasm while watching a non-pornographic movie! :D

whoa! Too much information. :eek:

[Silencio]

I want to be able to browse the iPhone's storage and view any supported document or image. GREAT for referring to past business proposals, reference info, etc..

Yes, I really hope the .doc / .xls / .pdf viewer is available in other apps besides Mail, and allows for local storage of said files. I'm a pretty heavy user of Documents To Go on my Palm and this would make me very happy indeed. Would love to have the edit / sync capabilities that DocsToGo provides, but I guess I could live without.

[martijn.s]

The video briefly mentions the camera but never shows how to use it nor does it show a camera application. That black space on iphone displays is the perfect size for four more apps - at least an application for using the camera has to be somewhere on the phone.:cool:

look again, it's there on the first row.

[billyc]

No one mentioned Internet speed in the iPhone Guided Tour. It is quite fast. However, if you pay attention, it looks like was using the WiFi, the little green radiation icon next to "AT&T" icon at the top. You can tell it is WiFi indicator from the "setting" section. Just wondering what speed would be using EDGE.

[RogueLdr]

I wonder what would come up if we called Mr. John Appleseed

408-550-3542

hmm...

Any takers?

I'm a taker!

The number routes you to voicemail, the message is as follows:

"Hi, you've reached the brand new iPhone of John Appleseed. For more information, got to apple.com."

area code 408 is Cupertino, for those (like me) who didn't know

[chunkermunker]

What if the secret features include the following:

Voice Recognition or Italk capabilities
Real Ichat and video conferencing
Anti-theft

So far the features look nice, but nothing that really makes a non-Apple fan wanna buy it.

I know TONS of people that aren't impressed, or think its too expensive.

Implementing a voice recognition a la Italk. Imagine never having to pick up the phone, say while your driving....but not only dial a number, but actually FULLY control it in every aspect. From creating and sending emails to dictating a document.

Imagine having a video conference, but a TRUE video conference, with Ichat like features!!!!!!!

And as rumored before, anti theft. The technology is already there.

[b3beater]

So wait, there is support for Word and Excel files. So what about Pages and Keynote? I would hope that there is at least some reader functionality built in for pages, keynote would be a nice bonus.

I think what we are seeing here is a watered down version of the cover flow-ish way to look at documents from the let to be released OS-X. I doubt you will be able to do anything with the documents other than look at them. Also note that the word document they showed didnt have a whole lot of if any formatting done to it.

[Random Ping]

the directions and traffic features are awesome!!

Especially if you are travelling somewhere and hear about an accident on the radio. Your passenger just calls up Google Maps, gets a new route that avoids the traffic, and off you go.

I wonder when there will be the first accident because someone was using Google Maps on their iPhone while driving?

[oscuh]

Apple did file a patent for a slide out keyboard a few months ago (or at least, that was when the patent surfaced). Just as the iPod has multiplied into many models for many niches, I could see some variants of the iPhone with a slideout keyboard.

I doubt it. Apple routinely gets patents for stuff they never use .... Maybe some other sort of micro-notebook or something, but not the iPhone. They seem to have the keyboard issue solved. :D

[KyleB]

how is "find song, cut section i want (optional step), send file via bluetooth" too many steps?

It's more like:

1. Locate song

2. Import into Garageband

3. Cut down to appropriate clip and length

4. Export to AIFF audio file into iTunes

5. Open iTunes, find song

6. Convert AIFF file into MP3 file

7. Send song to phone over bluetooth


It is not too bad, but there is a lot of room for improvement there.

[Ireland]

Monday: Battery Life & Screen
Wednesday: YouTube
Friday: New Website

i bet thats all you see for this week, and the plans revealing themselves on monday or wednesday of next week
Next Monday: Plans.
Wednesday: iTunes store on the phone.

[dejo]

the fact that people will donate money to buy a brand new $500 phone just to see it SMASHED, is a clear sign of whats wrong with society.
But the fact that they've only raised $1 so far (I just checked), is perhaps a better sign of what's right with society.

[TheAnswer]

Especially if you are travelling somewhere and hear about an accident on the radio. Your passenger just calls up Google Maps, gets a new route that avoids the traffic, and off you go.

This would be great (since Google Maps can already show traffic congestion info), but Google maps needs to add an "Avoid Traffic" feature to their directions for this to work as smoothly as we want.

[artalliance]

So far the features look nice, but nothing that really makes a non-Apple fan wanna buy it.


HaHaHa.
Wanna put money on that?

[cmschmidt]

It's more like:

1. Locate song

2. Import into Garageband

3. Cut down to appropriate clip and length

4. Export to AIFF audio file into iTunes

5. Open iTunes, find song

6. Convert AIFF file into MP3 file

7. Send song to phone over bluetooth


It is not too bad, but there is a lot of room for improvement there.

why the hell are you using some many steps? there are way better mp3 editors for os x that you can get for free besides garage band. you're making it way to hard.

1. find song
2. edit song (if you really even need to. i just usually transfer the whole song
3. transfer song by bluetooth.

[mrwilly123]

One thing to note....

In the beginning, when he first demos NYT on Safari, we see aqua-style (not the matte gray style like we have seen on the iPhone previously) drop-down menus on the site, as well as the Flash content (NYT's media player).
http://www.eggdropper.com/picdrop/iphonedrop1.jpg
http://www.eggdropper.com/picdrop/iphoneflash1.jpg

This might suggest that he is scrolling through a screenshot taken on a computer.

When he returns to NYT later, we see the matte gray drop-down menus......and the Flash content.....odd.
http://www.eggdropper.com/picdrop/iphonedrop2.jpg
http://www.eggdropper.com/picdrop/iphoneflash2.jpg
Apple has previously said no Flash, but this is puzzling.

On the other hand, when they show Yahoo!, there's a blank spot where there is normally a Flash ad.
http://www.eggdropper.com/picdrop/iphoneyahoo.jpg



So I would still guess no Flash, but this video is inconsistent...

[taberrr]

damn i'm not even half way through the video, and i'm totally blown away. i want one so bad!

[Random Ping]

how is "find song, cut section i want (optional step), send file via bluetooth" too many steps?

Well, some people might find it easy, and it might be much easier since I last saw it being done. However, I suspect if everyone found it easy to do, the $2.50 ringtone market would have been dead a long time ago.

[martijn.s]

The demonstrator stopped short of scrolling through all the settings, possibly to hide some undisclosed features?

Also has anyone else noticed that the square in the home button is the same shape and size of the built in isight cameras on the imac, macbook, and macbooks pros? Could there possibly be an ichat camera hidden in plain sight all this time? :)

i doubt it, if there is a hidden camera, it's behind the screen.

(but i don't believe in that either)

[martijn.s]

No, but Apple would.

it IS an application.

[b3beater]

What I just thought of...

Can you imagine what it's going to be like to the non iPhone at&t user to get a simple phone call out with all of that congestion on the network when these buggers go live?!?!?! :eek:

Hell, sometimes its hard just to get a call out during rush hour on some networks...

[pengu]

It's more like:

1. Locate song

2. Import into Garageband

3. Cut down to appropriate clip and length

4. Export to AIFF audio file into iTunes

5. Open iTunes, find song

6. Convert AIFF file into MP3 file

7. Send song to phone over bluetooth


It is not too bad, but there is a lot of room for improvement there.

why would you use GARAGEBAND just to grab a clip from a song?
and why would you export to AIFF and then convert to MP3/AAC?
and why import back into itunes?

why not,
1) find song
2) open song in WaveEditor/Quicktime/Fission/etc
3) copy desired section into new document, save/export as MP3/AAC
4) send to phone from finder.

this adds 1 step to what i said (if you count opening the app and doing the editing as two steps. i sure as hell dont.)

[cmschmidt]

Well, some people might find it easy, and it might be much easier since I last saw it being done. However, I suspect if everyone found it easy to do, the $2.50 ringtone market would have been dead a long time ago.

i think the main reasons a majority of people don't do this are:

1. most people are complete idiots when it comes to computers/electronics/their phone, and therefore have no idea it's possible and even if they didn't would have no idea how to do it.
2. most peoples free phones still do not have bluetooth and they certainly don't have data cables for them.

[JMax1]

I'm doubting there will be more apps below the first 12. Yes, there is room for more, but I think it's just room because of course there will EVENTUALLY be more. I hope for more on release, but there will of course be more than 16. I bet to vew more, it'll be a flickah down on that menu, or something like the Wii has. And Hopefully all the wedgietestes will get grouped under one app (wonder if the little drip effect will be used when adding new apps)

[thevofl]

Two things:

Loading Ringtones. So far there has not been one visual of the new iTunes interface. I cannot imagine nothing short of an overhaul with oodles of new features. So it would be reasonable to assume that the loading of ringtones will happen here.

The use of the term "Mobile Phone". When I worked for AT&T, we were told not to use the term "Cell Phone". We didn't want to confuse the customer with the phone company "Cellular One".

[martijn.s]

MMS ... :confused: missing feature..

just send an email :)

[martijn.s]

re the 16 apps - watch the video closely again.
He circles the area that is the home screen (12 app section), then says from 'here' you can use any one of the 16 apps. Then goes on to talk about the bottom.

I'm choosing to believe 4 more apps. :)


oh come on, stop that now :-)

(he talks about the 16 apps, just after explaining what the home button is for)

[JMax1]

why would you use GARAGEBAND just to grab a clip from a song?
and why would you export to AIFF and then convert to MP3/AAC?
and why import back into itunes?

why not,
1) find song
2) open song in WaveEditor/Quicktime/Fission/etc
3) copy desired section into new document, save/export as MP3/AAC
4) send to phone from finder.

this adds 1 step to what i said (if you count opening the app and doing the editing as two steps. i sure as hell dont.)



Can't you edit a tracks starting and end point right in iTunes? That'd be a heck of a lot easier



[Edit] Hey I got the last post on page 7 AND page 8!

[pengu]

Well, some people might find it easy, and it might be much easier since I last saw it being done. However, I suspect if everyone found it easy to do, the $2.50 ringtone market would have been dead a long time ago.

its incredibly easy. most people just dont even know they can do it.

[zeppo93008]

I was impressed by the guided tour that makes me want to buy an iPhone, BUT the MAX hard drive memory is ONLY 8GB. To do all of this cool stuffs on the iPhone is going to require more than the 8GB. You know like music, photos, videos, emails, etc. I would like to see 40GB or 80GB, so I will wait for the iPhone's hard drive to reach the 40GB/80GB before I buy one.

A lot of the features are cool. Love them. Kudos to Steve Jobs for this iPhone. :-)

[martijn.s]

That "End Call" button is right where my cheek would be....they didn't say if the touch screen is disabled when talking. Anyone know if this is how it will work?

they said that ages ago, when u are calling, a proximity sensor (infrared) sense the presence of your head and disables the touch screen.

[martijn.s]

Already confirmed from launch day... When the phone is held up to the face, the proximity sensor disables the touch screen.

doh... little late on the response :D

u call that late ? :rolleyes:

[Dan Peterson]

If they do end up adding for more "apps" I really hope one of them is the "Quick Look" feature from Leopard! Lets you throw whatever files you want onto the phone (like using your iPod as a removable drive) and then anything QL is capable of viewing the iPhone would be ... that would be really great IMO.

[martijn.s]

i'm assume the most frustrating thing with the iPhone is going to be double tapping to enlarge a webpage... you also have to double tap a link, and i'm quite certain that when a user simply means to enlarge the page (like google search), it's going to accidentally goto a link instead, or vice-versa...

and that guy giving the guided tour is creepy... like pedophile-creepy... that's all...

no, links are single tap.

[rdrr]

I am hoping the space between the top twelve and bottom four applications, is a place to put "terminal.app", god please let there be a terminal. :)

[Silencio]

I was impressed by the guided tour that makes me want to buy an iPhone, BUT the MAX hard drive memory is ONLY 8GB. To do all of this cool stuffs on the iPhone is going to require more than the 8GB. You know like music, photos, videos, emails, etc. I would like to see 40GB or 80GB, so I will wait for the iPhone's hard drive to reach the 40GB/80GB before I buy one.

What is the current maximum storage capacity of every other smart phone on the market? 4GB at most, if you buy a big enough flash memory card.

The iPhone does not have a "hard drive". It has 4GB or 8GB of built-in flash memory, like an iPod nano. If you're holding out for a phone with 40-80GB of flash memory storage, you'll be sitting on the sidelines for quite some time.

And email won't be stored in the iPhone's flash memory at all: it resides on your mail server.

So no, the iPhone won't fully replace my full-sized iPod. But it will have enough capacity to hold a new songs and / or videos to keep me amused when I don't bother carrying my iPod with me.

[martijn.s]

after posting that video i'm surprised AAPL has still dropped today. how can you watch that and not be drooling by the end. i completely forget every gripe i had about the phone before today. 7 days is too long. that phone is iNcredible.

the whole nasdaq is dropping. microsoft is down by 3%, apple just .7

so in a way , it's a raise ;-)

[weitzner]

the fact that people will donate money to buy a brand new $500 phone just to see it SMASHED, is a clear sign of whats wrong with society.

they won't do it because they need a contract... or $175 extra. ok maybe they will smash it.

[Random Ping]

I am hoping the space between the top twelve and bottom four applications, is a place to put "terminal.app", god please let there be a terminal. :)

But only if they include "vi" on it as well.

[sananda]

i really enjoyed the guided tour. a lot of posters here were previously asking about the aeroplane mode, vibrate and the ability to read microsoft office documents. well, they're all there.

i really want one but i live in england so i'll have to wait patiently.

[jholzner]

That "End Call" button is right where my cheek would be....they didn't say if the touch screen is disabled when talking. Anyone know if this is how it will work?

They didn't say it in the video but Steve Jobs did during the initial intro. It can tell when it is close to your face and disables the touch screen.

[pengu]

I am hoping the space between the top twelve and bottom four applications, is a place to put "terminal.app", god please let there be a terminal. :)

you're kidding, right?

[jialuolu]

So watched it through a few more times and noticed that it doesn't really mention how you manage the wi-fi settings. I know that Steve said at Macworld that it'll automatically switch over to wi-fi whenever it detects a signal, but does anyone know if there will be something like a "use wi-fi only" option? I rack up quite the charge at the end of every month by accidentally pressing the browser key on my phone because data is notoriously expensive in Canada. I would hate to be charged everytime I accidentally press stocks, weather, youtube, etc.

[CTYankee]

Already confirmed from launch day... When the phone is held up to the face, the proximity sensor disables the touch screen.

doh... little late on the response :D

OK, I thought there was something like that. However the video assumes people know this and are addicted to all things Apple. The average Joe would probably wonder about that too. As a Treo user I have to either turn off the touchscreen during calls or leave it on. Since many of their potential consumers are Treo users I'm sure many will wonder the same thing. Its a pretty obvious question and simple to address (and in a way to add interest) so I'm surprised they didn't.

[Random Ping]

its incredibly easy. most people just dont even know they can do it.

Interesting. I've heard that the ringtone market is on the order of $3-5 billion! It is amazing that a market is that large but is easy to circumvent.

Oh well...

[FreeState]

This is not a mistake- 12 apps up top, 4 apps on the bottom = 16 apps.

Settings is an application?

[pengu]

Interesting. I've heard that the ringtone market is on the order of $3-5 billion! It is amazing that a market is that large but is easy to circumvent.

Oh well...

the porno market is even bigger, and you dont even need a computer for the alternative (but you do need another person, or a very good imagination :p )

[martijn.s]

I was impressed by the guided tour that makes me want to buy an iPhone, BUT the MAX hard drive memory is ONLY 8GB. To do all of this cool stuffs on the iPhone is going to require more than the 8GB. You know like music, photos, videos, emails, etc. I would like to see 40GB or 80GB, so I will wait for the iPhone's hard drive to reach the 40GB/80GB before I buy one.

A lot of the features are cool. Love them. Kudos to Steve Jobs for this iPhone. :-)

are u SURE that u want a hard drive in a phone ??
scary idea.

[dagrouch]

The video made everything look so easy, but I noticed the time never changed on the iphone, so it could have easily been a video and not actual use.

It might be authentic... if you watch the large version, you can see the reflection of the hand on the surface of the phone.

Amazing how this one walkthrough is starting to change people's minds about its capabilities.

[martijn.s]

Settings is an application?

YES !

application is a technical term, the Finder is an application, the dock is another, system preferences a third, etc...

[rdrr]

you're kidding, right?

No, I am not. I want to be able to ssh without having to use some sort of hack web/ajax ssh proxy. :rolleyes:

[TenaciousPZ]

I was impressed by the guided tour that makes me want to buy an iPhone, BUT the MAX hard drive memory is ONLY 8GB. To do all of this cool stuffs on the iPhone is going to require more than the 8GB. You know like music, photos, videos, emails, etc.


No, not even close. The 4 or 8 gb drive option that we've heard so much about is purely a flash drive for music, video, and photos. Exactly the same as it is on an iPod.

That drive will not get filled up with bookmarks, email, attachments, etc.. its not built that way.

[ISMPlus]

three words: I'm buying one! :D

[Rich1989]

YES !

application is a technical term, the Finder is an application, the dock is another, system preferences a third, etc...

if you watch he does specifically differentiate between the two "tap 12 apps" (circles apps with fingers and points then out)......"then along the button there are 4 buttons to access phone, ipod....etc"

[TenaciousPZ]

Amazing how this one walkthrough is starting to change people's minds about its capabilities.

Especially since it hasn't changed anything that we knew about the iPhone, except a few minor clarifications that were already assumed.

I find it quite amusing

[Project]

Astounding UI

[bignumbers]

These are the notes I made when watching the video...

ringtones - preset only, can't use songs. How to add new?
That's been discussed here already. If I've bought a song I don't want to pay again to make it a ringtone. I can make any MP3 or MIDI file a ringtone on my Treo 650 (2-1/2 yrs old) so I hope they add this soon. Charging for ringtones is so damned lame.

email - 15m 30m 1hr - no 5 minutes!
I have my Treo and mail.app set to check email every five minutes. I do hope they add a 5-minute option. Yes it eats the battery faster, but I need info faster. This one really bothers me.

no voice dialing
I hope they add this soon. This is a major missing feature (missing near as I can tell).

locking if lost?
I didn't see a way to lock the phone, requiring a password when turned on. I don't use this myself but many consider it critical.

wallpaper, not desktop picture
This struck me - they called it "wallpaper" - the Windows term - and not "Desktop Picture" - the Mac term.

[pengu]

locking if lost?
I didn't see a way to lock the phone, requiring a password when turned on. I don't use this myself but many consider it critical.

wallpaper, not desktop picture
This struck me - they called it "wallpaper" - the Windows term - and not "Desktop Picture" - the Mac term.

they showed about 3 of the settings. there are lots more.

its not called a desktop picture because its not a desktop. simple.

[lilnyc]

the fact that people will donate money to buy a brand new $500 phone just to see it SMASHED, is a clear sign of whats wrong with society.

I hinted at that before. Good to know I'm not alone.

[segfaultdotorg]

Doesn't look like it has Cingular's trademark default ringtone. I can't imagine why anyone would want one without this critical feature. ;)

[ISMPlus]

are u SURE that u want a hard drive in a phone ??
scary idea.

Why not? There are already on the iPods? I don't understand how can be so nervous about every thing> get with the time...;)

[starflyer]

Black shirt? That must be Fake Steve Jobs!

haha best post of ther day!

[Project]

wallpaper, not desktop picture
This struck me - they called it "wallpaper" - the Windows term - and not "Desktop Picture" - the Mac term.

well, its not really a Desktop is it?

As for Ringtones, there is a ringtones tab in iTunes when you dock the iPhone. Time will tell whether this is syncing purchased ones from the store, or the ability to add your tracks.

[ISMPlus]

the battery will NOT be replaceable. jesus ***** christ.

Can someone tell me why would anyone want to replace the battery on their phone?? :confused: I've had the same phone for 5 years and I've never had to replace it. This isn't my first cell phone either... I've never found the need to replace the battery...

[starflyer]

Yeah its missing, still cant wrap my head around that one. Hopefully it'll show up in Rev B

Im thinking that it will show up as a html link...click it and it appears in Safari.

[neven]

Can someone tell me why would anyone want to replace the battery on their phone?? :confused: I've had the same phone for 5 years and I've never had to replace it. This isn't my first cell phone either... I've never found the need to replace the battery...

I've had my RAZR for eighteen months and my talk time is now about 15 minutes.

You do actually USE your cellphone, right?

[bignumbers]

its not called a desktop picture because its not a desktop. simple.

It was the terminology that surprised me. Besides, they could call it the desktop if they wanted to.

[MarkW19]

Some things I'd like:-

1. Customisable keyboard, so you can put certain punctuation marks (fullstop, comma, apostrophe etc.) on their own permanent keys, without having to go into the "symbols" section separately (a la Windows Mobile, god forbid).

2. Templates for commonly used symbols/phrases ie. smileys, preset reponses etc. (again like WM can).

3. Instead of just silent or ring, several profiles with different settings for each (vibrate on/off for different events, and different sounds/volumes for different events) - ie. Home, Outside, Quiet, Silent, etc. My first Nokia phone over 10 years ago could do profiles, with Windows Mobile now allowing for the detailed customisation. Flicking the silent/ring switch could bring up a list of options on-screen.

Surely this isn't too much to ask in a future update? ;)

[artalliance]

I've had my RAZR for eighteen months and my talk time is now about 15 minutes.

You do actually USE your cellphone, right?

That seems to be a defect.

[neven]

I am hoping the space between the top twelve and bottom four applications, is a place to put "terminal.app", god please let there be a terminal. :)

You might WANT a Terminal on iPhone for your own bizarre reasons, but HOPING for it is like hoping that iPhone comes with a free Mac Pro.

[ISMPlus]

I've had my RAZR for eighteen months and my talk time is now about 15 minutes.

You do actually USE your cellphone, right?

All the time... and I use the web too... browsing, texting, IM, emails. And I always have it on the loudest setting + vibrate. The battery certainly isn't what it was 5 years ago, but it still lasts a couple of days without charging and about 2 hours of talk time + web/email/text stuff. It's crappy-beat-up Sanyo Sprint camera phone, but it still works! :o

[TPALTony]

hey it has readers for Word and Excel. are they new features!?

and (may have been known befor) weather and stocks are both provided by yahoo...
i cant ever imagine wanting Stocks as a major app on my phone tho.. :S

I think we are seeing WHY they shifted resources from Leopard to iPhone....

Look at the UI on the iPhone - it's CoreAnimation.

Look at the "readers" - it's QuickView

The iPhone runs on ARM processors, so that's updates to XCode (probably not released externally, but leveraging the tool.)

In other words, while the focus was on iPhone, it was still progressing Leopard. Core Animation and Quick View are probably baked now because they had to be ready for the iPhone.

All in all, the more I look at what it can do, the more I want one.

But they may have sparked MORE GPS comments with the driving directions demo. You know, "If it can do all that why not put a GPS chip in there and guide me..."

And lo, the rumors of a navigation system from apple can be fuelled some more.

While you may not like what Apple does sometimes, I myself can always find a method to their madness. Their actions are well thought out, it's just not always publically obvious as to why.

be well

t

[Project]

It has probably been one of the most well executed marketing campaigns for a tech product I have ever seen.

[Much Ado]

Astounding UI

Agreed. The level of detail in the UI is immaculate, perfect even.

If only Apple could put so much love and care into all their products all the time- but then again, there's only one Steve Jobs, and he's a very busy guy right now. It's quite clear this is where his attention has been these last few years...

Still, that video was a complete reminder of why the world (or at least, the US) is so hyped about this phone right now.

7 days...

[AppleIntelRock]

do we know WHO that is?

[millerrh]

Some things I'd like:-

3. Instead of just silent or ring, several profiles with different settings for each (vibrate on/off for different events, and different sounds/volumes for different events) - ie. Home, Outside, Quiet, Silent, etc. My first Nokia phone over 10 years ago could do profiles, with Windows Mobile now allowing for the detailed customisation. Flicking the silent/ring switch could bring up a list of options on-screen.

Surely this isn't too much to ask in a future update? ;)

I completely agree with this one. I wonder if it is a feature they just didn't go over....seems like every phone I've ever owned was able to have different profiles.

[ISMPlus]

8 days...

It's seven days + 2 + few mins, according to my calendar! :D

[coolosxapps]

8 days...

Only 7 days, not 8 ;)