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MacRumors
Jul 10, 2003, 01:47 PM
LoopRumors.com (http://www.looprumors.com/) claims that Bluetooth accessories are ready to go.



MacManDan
Jul 10, 2003, 01:51 PM
Eh ... even if this were true .. I think I would just stick with my current wired keyboard and mouse.

Unless, of course, the mouse has two+ buttons and a scroll wheel...

but now lets consider the feasability of both a 2-button mouse AND that it's "ready to go"... :)

jbomber
Jul 10, 2003, 02:13 PM
for some reason, a bluetooth keyboard and mouse really aren't doing anything for me. dunno why. i'm not really trying to take my keyboard that far away from my machine. (shrug)

what's a good scenario for these bluetooth peripherals?

Postal
Jul 10, 2003, 02:21 PM
jbomber:

Let's say you have an aluminum PowerBook. You bring your laptop home after a long day on the road. Instead of having to reattach a full-size keyboard and/or mouse to your laptop to turn it into your desktop machine, you just come within Bluetooth range.

Combine that with Airport Extreme, and about the only things left that you might want to plug in are headphones/speakers and the AC adapter. Much more convenient, isn't it? :)

RHutch
Jul 10, 2003, 02:28 PM
I would much rather see other developments or improvements. Don't ask me what else because I'm not sure. But that's how unimportant this is to me. I'm not criticizing those who are excited or find it important, but it does nothing for me.

moosecat
Jul 10, 2003, 02:41 PM
Where desktops are concerned, I, for one, will take USB/Firewire cables over batteries any day. I don't want my keyboard conking out and becoming useless because I've got no batteries around.

(Now, if it were Bluetooth AND had a cable connection (such that the cable could be unplugged on both ends when not in use), we might be in business.)

scem0
Jul 10, 2003, 02:45 PM
A big advantage of BT is also the fact that there are no ugly wires running from your computer to your machine. I don't know about y'all but I get annoyed by my mouse and keyboard wires, I would much prefer to keep my desk as wire-free as possible.

I will be angry if apple ships the current pro mouse and keyboard or the regular mouse and keyboard with the G5. I want something that matches my system. It is ugly enough as is.... THe least apple can do is give us a mouse and keyboard that matches.

It would just be dumb for apple to continue using a 1 button mouse.

I don't want this to change into another mouse debate though. ;)

scem0

Rx7 Fan
Jul 10, 2003, 03:01 PM
I think this its really great that apple is finally making stuff for bluetooth. I have used wireless mouse before (for my powerpoint presentation in college) and the infered signal is really bad. I mean you have to use point-to-point. THe mouse pratically has to be aiming toward the receiver inorder to get a signal. With bluetooth all you have to do is be in range. Obviously it's no where near the range of 802.11/Radio Signals (RF), but still quite a step up from infered.:D

-hh
Jul 10, 2003, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by scem0
A big advantage of BT is also the fact that there are no ugly wires running from your computer to your machine. I don't know about y'all but I get annoyed by my mouse and keyboard wires, I would much prefer to keep my desk as wire-free as possible.



Run the wires under the desk.


-hh

Ensoniq
Jul 10, 2003, 03:25 PM
When this is going to come out, no one (but Apple) really knows for sure. But I think that we can guess a few specs...

1 - Rechargable Batteries: Apple isn't going to ship a Bluetooth Mouse or Keyboard that runs out of juice and stops working unless you go to the store and buy some replacement Energizers! The items will come with a cable to connect them to the FireWire port of your computer to recharge when necessary, just like the iPod.

2 - Multi-Button Mouse: OS X is a full fledged Unix-based OS. And ever since the days of yore, "Unix Machines" have shipped with a 3-button mouse. Sun did it, even NeXT did it. If Apple really has designed a brand new mouse and keyboard for Bluetooth use, I'd be amazed if it was still one button. Jobs himself used the term "right-click" during his WWDC keynote. And there has been mounting evidence supporting this idea, such as the Panther Mouse Preferences supporting a mouse with up to FIVE buttons. We're going to be surprised...

Nothing is revolutionary about this...it will just be one more thing on the list of "Apple either did it first, or Apple did it RIGHT first"...and that in itself is cool.

jazzman45
Jul 10, 2003, 03:34 PM
We all know that when Apple does something, they do it BIG. How do think Apple can make a good thing like Bluetooth better?

it would be cool if you could set your mouse on your case and could charge...hey it's all aluminum, right? ;)

I really think that Apple will do something revolutionary with the mouse...

Inkwell seems so understated for its great functionality...

just some random thoughts on a boring day

by the way, i NEED the new powerbooK!!!

joshuajestelle
Jul 10, 2003, 03:43 PM
I've been using microsoft's bluetooth mouse with my 17" powerbook for a while now and it is terrifically conveinient.

I can bring my mouse with me any where I go without any wire getting tangled up, all I have to do is pull it out and use it. It works flawlessly.

I have found the batteries can be mildly frustrating. Battery life isn't terrific, and occasionally the batteries crap out in the middle of playing a game or something like that.

But other than that it's terrific.

Josh

AndrewMT
Jul 10, 2003, 04:44 PM
I for one am excited about the release of a new mouse only if there are certain ergonimic and functional improvements. If the bluetooth mouse is the same design as the current pro mouse, I'm not interested. Most "Pro" users use the pro mouse for the first day and then go out and buy a microsoft or logitech or just simply use a mouse they already have. This was the same case with the original round imac mouse. Ergonomic mice can be made to look just as cool as the rest of Apple's hardware.

jettredmont
Jul 10, 2003, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by scem0
It would just be dumb for apple to continue using a 1 button mouse.

I don't want this to change into another mouse debate though. ;)

scem0

Herein lies the problem:

Bluetooth mice are fairly expensive.

Up to now, despite the fact that Apple's mice are sold at horrendously high price points (I mean, they aren't that great!), a replacement with better features is very cheap (even as low as $10 if you want really cheap).

But, Bluetooth mice are expensive. Makes just "discarding" the shipped Apple mouse much harder (and yet, still necessary ... development work with a single-button mouse is next to impossible).

Personally, if Apple continues with the single-button mouse I for one would much rather they just keep the old model and not waste money on developing and shipping a new model. Yeah, it adds only about $20 to Apple's per-machine cost, but I'd rather save that for a third-party implementation with enough buttons to do my work and a nice wireless setup. I just hate to see this effort wasted, and for the vast majority of "switchers" (be that from Windows or Unix), any one-button mouse implementation is just plain wasted effort.

Now, as for the wireless keyboard ... I don't see the advantage there (a mouse cord gets in the way at times ... my keyboard just sits there on the desk regardless of what I'm doing, it's cord never moving ...) and see many problems (keeping battery charge, security, hijacking possibilities, etc).

Maybe Apple will come out with something to blow my socks off, but the basic idea of shipping a BT keyboard/mouse combo frightens me.

jettredmont
Jul 10, 2003, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by Macrumors
LoopRumors.com (http://www.looprumors.com/) claims that Bluetooth accessories are ready to go.

Somehow, I suspect that their "sources" are a certain French rumor site ... seems like there was at least one other rumor that curiously echoed MacBid's rumors (and didn't come true IIRC).

pyrotoaster
Jul 10, 2003, 05:17 PM
LoopRumors is only claiming this because of the recent price cuts and "Wired Keyboard" rumors.
I seriously doubt they actually have a source.

mrougeux
Jul 10, 2003, 05:34 PM
Loopyrumors says BT mice and keyboards are ready to go, but in their Q & A on Panther, they state (FWIW):

"Will the G5 launch with the eMac keyboard and mouse?
Yes. Apple is working on wireless versions of both, but the first G5s to ship will include the standard "wired" Apple Pro Mouse and Keyboard."

scem0
Jul 10, 2003, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by -hh
Run the wires under the desk.


-hh

I have them running under the desk, they are still ugly and annoying.

I have more than enough wires under my desk. I just wish everything was wireless ;).

scem0

jbomber
Jul 10, 2003, 07:14 PM
hmmm.. it seems like the bluetooth mice and keyboards would have to be firewire rechargeable or something if they'd be shipping standard.

Apple wouldn't leave a user hanging out to dry because of a battery failure.

Either that or the bluetooth peripherals will be available as add-ons with 'wired' versions shipping shipping standard, because the user needs constant dependable input capabilities for the machine.

jbomber
Jul 10, 2003, 07:19 PM
the mouse button issue is interesting.

Apple's been single button for so long, but with the current OS, there's a greater need for the ability to 'right click'. The fact that you can't readily create a new folder without 'right-clicking' or cntrl-clicking leads me to say rather definitively that apple would make the jump to 2 button mice.



-oh, and thanks to the people showing a few scenarios for bt keyboards. i've had a desktop and laptop for so long that it never really occured to me.

NavyIntel007
Jul 10, 2003, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by jbomber
the mouse button issue is interesting.

Apple's been single button for so long, but with the current OS, there's a greater need for the ability to 'right click'. The fact that you can't readily create a new folder without 'right-clicking' or cntrl-clicking leads me to say rather definitively that apple would make the jump to 2 button mice.



-oh, and thanks to the people showing a few scenarios for bt keyboards. i've had a desktop and laptop for so long that it never really occured to me.

I have the logitech elite duo (which is a wireless keyboard and mouse combo and love it. However, batteries can be a pain. I have rechargable ones so it's not too much of a hassle.

The problem with the logic of having to plug the devices into the computer defeats the purpose of having wireless devices. you'll always have that cord sticking out for you to charge it with or you could always reach in the back of your G5 and plug it in everytime. What have you gained by this? Or if you're playing (insert RPG game here) and your mouse battery dies and you die and you haven't saved for hours then what have you gained? In this situation also you'll still have two cords to charge your keyboard and mouse so there's nothing different than before.

Standard batteries are the perfect solution. They're cheap, you can get rechargable ones if you want and there are no docking stations or powercords for connection. Unfortunately, Apple is not one for using proven standards so who knows what will happen. It's not the perfect solution, because, for me, if I have to plug it occationally, it'll always be plugged in.

jbomber
Jul 10, 2003, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by NavyIntel007
It's not the perfect solution, because, for me, if I have to plug it occationally, it'll always be plugged in.

Therein lies the answer. you don't really need to have it be wireless.


Standard batteries would be the worst scenario. no one wants to constantly buy batteries for a device that really and truly doesn't NEED to be wireless. Essentially you're adding the expense of batteries to a device that has never needed them. any batteries or charging that will be require for these devices will have to be recharged via the machine - read: firewire. It's really the easiest and most convenient solution.


In any case, I think I'll be sticking with a regular keyboard. not enough justification for getting a bluetooth one with energy solutions presented thus far.

NavyIntel007
Jul 10, 2003, 08:03 PM
By the way... I heard devices... ok besides keyboards and mice (which have been using RF for a while) and select cellphones and PDAs (some/most have IrDA) what other devices are we talking about?

It's not fast enough for serious data transfer so portable data storage is not going to fly. You can't play stereo sound with it because it doesn't have the bandwidth. It would work for printers... if you were close enough... Cameras... Not fast enough.

I'm missing the point of all this hype. I mean if it was at least USB speed they could develop a bluetooth to USB router or include stereo capabilities... I mean if it was that fast besides power, I would have no other cables connected to my laptop. Bluetooth would have been hot about 5 to 7 years ago when wireless 768 KB/s was practically jaw dropping but now... it's like giving a guy a spoon when he needs a shovel.

NavyIntel007
Jul 10, 2003, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by jbomber
Therein lies the answer. you don't really need to have it be wireless.


Standard batteries would be the worst scenario. no one wants to constantly buy batteries for a device that really and truly doesn't NEED to be wireless. Essentially you're adding the expense of batteries to a device that has never needed them. any batteries or charging that will be require for these devices will have to be recharged via the machine - read: firewire. It's really the easiest and most convenient solution.


In any case, I think I'll be sticking with a regular keyboard. not enough justification for getting a bluetooth one with energy solutions presented thus far.

Well, I partially disagree with you. A mouse is a nice thing to have wireless because sometimes I'd like to surf with my left hand and write things down with my right (because i'm right handed). That gets hard to do with a cord. But a wireless keyboard is definitely pointless.

jbomber
Jul 10, 2003, 10:53 PM
Originally posted by NavyIntel007
Well, I partially disagree with you. A mouse is a nice thing to have wireless because sometimes I'd like to surf with my left hand and write things down with my right (because i'm right handed). That gets hard to do with a cord. But a wireless keyboard is definitely pointless.

Agreed,

i have a huge Wacom tablet, and the mouse is wireless. It's cool because you can switch hands like you said.

Can't imagine too many other uses for the peripherals to be wireless tho.

neutrino23
Jul 10, 2003, 11:04 PM
I'd rather stay with the current pro-mouse and save some money. I only control-click perhaps a dozen times a day so this is not a problem for me.

If you have a BT mouse does that mean you can wander around the office with the mouse in your pocket and when you get close to someone else's computer you can play tricks on them? That might be fun.

MarkCollette
Jul 10, 2003, 11:09 PM
I agree with everyone thinking that a desktop doesn't need a mouse, but just think how cool it would be for your notebook computer! You know when you're trying to have a docking station kind of setup at home or the office, but you sometimes want to bring the mouse and keyboard on the road, for whne you're in that presentation or meeting, but you just hate taking out all those cord, and unravelling them to hook them up.

Now imagine _that_, but all wireless. It'd even take up less room in your notebook's bag.

NavyIntel007
Jul 10, 2003, 11:29 PM
Originally posted by jbomber
Agreed,

i have a huge Wacom tablet, and the mouse is wireless. It's cool because you can switch hands like you said.

Can't imagine too many other uses for the peripherals to be wireless tho.

I think we have it... the ultimate accessory. A wide LED tablet with a mouse module and a pen. It has LEDs to light up a keyboard image that can be moved to the right or to the left or can be split in the middle. Special keys and keycodes can be entered with software on the computer and can be specified to light up where ever the user choses. So you don't have all these extra buttons you never use like on aftermarket keyboards but you still have customization options.

Hmm... I'm calling my patent lawyer.

Apple][Forever
Jul 11, 2003, 01:56 AM
what's with everyone's wet dreams about wireless keyboards and mice? I got one for free when Logitech was giving them away earlier this year, and I used it for about a week. It's 2 thin cables... not a huge deal, and not worth the extra weight and cost, not to mention powering them.

solvs
Jul 11, 2003, 04:50 AM
One minor problem with this theory... not all G5s come with BT. It's an optional add-on. So how could they be standard? I do think it would be cool to have a rechargable mouse. Plug it in through the USB port when you need to, cordless when charged.

But it ain't gonna happen this time. Sorry.

starflyer
Jul 11, 2003, 08:20 AM
these will be a nessesity when you need to sit far away from apples yet to be released new 54" HD Cinema Display :D

NavyIntel007
Jul 11, 2003, 08:28 AM
Originally posted by solvs
Plug it in through the USB port when you need to, cordless when charged.

But it ain't gonna happen this time. Sorry.

And that really defeats the point in the first place. If you have to plug it into the computer, than I think alot of people won't use it wirelessly because it's a hassle.

GroundLoop
Jul 11, 2003, 09:39 AM
I guess nobody in here likes to sit with their feet on their desk typing with their keyboard on his/her lap. (fairly typical for programmers) Then he/she could just get up, plop the keyboard anywhere and run into the other room for a dew or a Jolt. They also come in handy when you have your Mac in a "media center" type setup. Just my thoughts.

Hickman

NavyIntel007
Jul 11, 2003, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by Brian Hickman
I guess nobody in here likes to sit with their feet on their desk typing with their keyboard on his/her lap. (fairly typical for programmers) Then he/she could just get up, plop the keyboard anywhere and run into the other room for a dew or a Jolt. They also come in handy when you have your Mac in a "media center" type setup. Just my thoughts.

Hickman

I do this, but it's not something you can't do with a cabled keyboard. For a media center it's a good idea but batteries....

jettredmont
Jul 11, 2003, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by NavyIntel007
The problem with the logic of having to plug the devices into the computer defeats the purpose of having wireless devices.

I'd prefer a "docking station" approach, personally. Have the dock sitting at the "back" edge of your desktop, set your keyboard and mouse on it when you're done using them, and the station keeps them charged.

Or, even better IMHO, would be "dual-mode" devices, with such a dock for the keyboard, though the keyboard continues to function while disconnected ... not sure about the mouse in such a device though (I don't like the idea of a USB or FireWire port on a mouse ... the mouse moves to much for those connections!)

Firewire to power: seems odd to me. Although, I can see using a wall-wart transformer-to-firewire device to power the keyboard physically far from the computer as well ... I would see this setup being used in a more "living room" approach ... that's the only place I can see any use whatsoever for a BT keyboard, where you have to be physically separated from the computer. In that situation, you'd want to charge the keyboard on the end table, not where the computer is.

jettredmont
Jul 11, 2003, 10:42 AM
Originally posted by NavyIntel007
I think we have it... the ultimate accessory. A wide LED tablet with a mouse module and a pen. It has LEDs to light up a keyboard image that can be moved to the right or to the left or can be split in the middle. Special keys and keycodes can be entered with software on the computer and can be specified to light up where ever the user choses. So you don't have all these extra buttons you never use like on aftermarket keyboards but you still have customization options.

Hmm... I'm calling my patent lawyer.

Sorry, already done. There is a semi-working laser keyboard ... draws the keyboard on any flat surface, and monitors said surface for "taps" on the keys.

The problem with any such system is that you lose all physical feedback from the keyboard. You have to be looking at your fingers while you are typing. Works great for hunt-and-peckers (beavis: hehe) but not for those of us who type even partially by touch.

dietsoda
Jul 11, 2003, 10:44 AM
I don't see why both the mouse and keyboard should be wireless. Why not leave the keyboard wired, and put a bluetooth module in it so that the mouse can be wireless (although i guess then you might as well make the cable unpluggable at both ends, enabling a wireless keyboard). The mouse could then work based on being close to the computer, or close the keyboard. Also, unless they do something much more radical i don't see why they would need to make it firewire chargable, there are plenty of phone charger to USB adapters out there, so just use the usb.

Now for a real flight of fancy.... perhaps apple could find a way to allow the users hand movements to power/charge the mouse. How much energy is expended on moving your mouse around? Enough to charge the battery inside? Dynamo Mice?

AppleMatt
Jul 11, 2003, 10:46 AM
Lecturers like wireless keyboards and mice, regardless of the batteries.

I'm saying Apple will or won't, just some info for people who don't see a need for them.

AppleMatt

jettredmont
Jul 11, 2003, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by Brian Hickman
I guess nobody in here likes to sit with their feet on their desk typing with their keyboard on his/her lap. (fairly typical for programmers) Then he/she could just get up, plop the keyboard anywhere and run into the other room for a dew or a Jolt. They also come in handy when you have your Mac in a "media center" type setup. Just my thoughts.

Hickman

I (sometimes) work this way (despite the horrible ergonamics of it), but don't have a problem doing it while "tethered". Outside of programmers, I know no one who puts the keyboard in their lap.

I mean, yeah, a cordless keyboard would allow me to swivel around in my chair while typing ... hmmm, that would be fun ... but then, unless there is an elegant solution to the power issues, that's not really an option anyways ...

Then again, no matter what Apple does, my Macs all run through a KVM switch, which by definition won't switch a bluetooth keyboard, so my programming workspace isn't gonna change to BT any time soon ...

rueyeet
Jul 11, 2003, 11:07 AM
I'd like a wireless keyboard/mouse combo (not wireless keyboard and wireless mouse, but wireless keyboard/mouse) to try and set up a media center thing.

The real challenge is how to make the power situation just flat-out easy to deal with. I'd favor a recharging station solution: set up the Mac and TV/display on the one side of the room and the station with mouse/keyboard on the other, near the sofa. Just pick 'em up whenever you want to use the media Mac, then throw 'em back in to recharge when you're done.

Of course that's a fairly specialized circumstance. I can see wireless mice as standard just because the cord can get caught and restrict your mousing freedom on a cluttered desk, but a wireless keyboard doesn't seem as useful in the usual "sit in front of monitor and type" setup.

Most of the lure of it seems to just be that no wires looks better, really.

panphage
Jul 11, 2003, 02:15 PM
I don't think there's any point in saying wireless mice and keyboards are useless. Logitech and MS have been making wireless mice and KBs for years. There is a market. These peripherals have all the drawbacks I see complained about here, batteries and so on, PLUS you have to plug the damn reciever into your machine, thus you don't get the best benefit of wireless: reduction of cables. Some newer mice can cradle into their recievers and get a battery recharge so that's a nice touch, but you still have something plugged into your machine, taking up a port, cluttering the desk. Not as nice as plopping your PB/iBook down and the mouse/Kb just work.

Now there is a better tech to serve that market (bluetooth), which also serves pda/phone syncing purposes. Let's be happy bluetooth seems to finally be taking off, maybe people will take advantage of it. If bluetooth is accepted widely, wouldn't work be done to improve it with greater range, bandwidth, etc? And the more products there are to choose from, the better serve we are as customers.

Now if you are saying that YOU don't need wireless peripherals, that's cool, jack, don't buy them. Apple won't force it on you because as has been pointed out again and again, bluetooth is NOT standard for all machines. Just 12 and 17 PBs I think.

jettredmont
Jul 11, 2003, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by panphage
I don't think there's any point in saying wireless mice and keyboards are useless.

[...]

Now if you are saying that YOU don't need wireless peripherals, that's cool, jack, don't buy them. Apple won't force it on you because as has been pointed out again and again, bluetooth is NOT standard for all machines. Just 12 and 17 PBs I think.

It seems someone has misunderstood something here. First, I don't recall anyone saying that BT keyboards and mice are utterly useless for everyone, nor that they should all be taken out and melted down (along with the plastic injection molds that made them).

The problem I have with the various rumors that have been stating that the Pro mouse/keyboard will be replaced with BT models is exactly that: they are NOT for everybody (not even for most people), are too expensive to be a guilt-free throw-away item, and likely to be a hassle/turn-off to most computer users who couldn't figure out how to go out and buy their own BT keyboard/mouse.

Yes, BT is not standard across the board today, but that doesn't mean that BT won't be standard with the next upgrade (or in-stream were Apple to, as has been rumored but unlikely, just start shipping all G5's with wireless keyboards). The connections are all there, no matter which G5 you choose; it would just be a matter of popping the BT module in.

That having been said, no, I agree, it is about 0% likely that Apple will slipstream BT keyboard/mouse into the existing systems. I also agree that the smart move and likely move by Apple is to offer such as a BTO option (perhaps not even Apple-brand the BT keyboard/mouse ...) and keep the existing peripherals (Pro or not) as standard.

The problem in thinking here is that for the last good long while Apple really hasn't offered any kind of choice of input device on their order form. If you order a Pro machine, you get the Pro KB/Mouse. If you order a consumer machine, you get the consumer version. If you want something different, CompUSA is right down the street (or you can add in a third-party item to your order ... but you still get the Pro Mouse in the box too).

I think Apple will break that mold with the BT options, or will ship and sell the BT combos similarly to current third-party accessories (they don't replace the wired KB/mouse, but are in addition to).

jbomber
Jul 11, 2003, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by Brian Hickman
I guess nobody in here likes to sit with their feet on their desk typing with their keyboard on his/her lap. (fairly typical for programmers) Then he/she could just get up, plop the keyboard anywhere and run into the other room for a dew or a Jolt. They also come in handy when you have your Mac in a "media center" type setup. Just my thoughts.

Hickman

Bluetoth signals from the keyboard in your lap, while drinking mountain dew and wirelessly surfing the Net via radio waves....

Christ... our entire generation's gonna be sterile....

panphage
Jul 11, 2003, 07:16 PM
Originally posted by jettredmont
It seems someone has misunderstood something here. First, I don't recall anyone saying that BT keyboards and mice are utterly useless for everyone, nor that they should all be taken out and melted down (along with the plastic injection molds that made them).


No, I suppose you are right. Everyone was probably reacting to the idea of default bluetooth kb and mouse. This is not optimal, while I enjoy a wireless mouse and even sometimes a wireless kb, they are indeed boutique items until we can get power over a wireless connection. :D

thebimbo
Jul 12, 2003, 06:09 PM
>>>
2 - Multi-Button Mouse: OS X is a full fledged Unix-based OS. And ever since the days of yore, "Unix Machines" have shipped with a 3-button mouse. Sun did it, even NeXT did it.
>>>

I'm late to the thread... but again I have to correct this disinformation on yet another board: NeXT's all had a *two* button mouse and it was the same mouse thru all production hardware; from cube to slab and the turbo variants. A minor point in the scheme of things but a relevant point to those that keep stating 'Steve' does not approve of 2 button... he did at NeXT so maybe it's time to finally see Apple to follow this practice.

avonterr
Jul 12, 2003, 09:59 PM
Why not have the wireless mouse charge with Firewire using the iPod dock? Now I don't need to have an extra accessory on the desk.

u2mr2os2
Jul 14, 2003, 01:31 AM
I haven't seen anyone mention that a Bluetooth keyboard would not be able to have the USB ports the keyboards have now.

As long as you also have a BT mouse, then that's -1 free USB on the keyboard (mouse pluggs in the KB) and +1 USB on the computer (no KB plug anymore). So, you net the same number of free USB ports at least, but you lose one that was in "front" of the machine.

If the keyboard and mouse had rechargeable batteries, could they get enough to recharge from a powered USB port? I know I can recharge my PDA like this. If so, then maybe the keyboard could have a detachable USB cord (with retainer so it won't pull straight out) for when you want to go untethered. This would also allow a short cord option for less clutter if you have a front USB port or one on your monitor. The mouse would not have a detachable cord, but have a cradle on the keyboard to keep it when not in use to stay charged. Although, that assumes when you are done, you didn't turn off the computer.

Another possibility is that Apple could always build the wireless base into new displays. The displays have USB fed to them already. The displays could be made to have a keyboard and mouse docks for recharging since the displays also have power. This would keep the wireless connection closer to the KB and mouse, the tower wouldn't have a wireless box hanging off it, and maybe another free USB port?

KuLTofCoWs
Jul 14, 2003, 05:30 PM
Apple would probably deal with the battery issue the way other companies have...by having a dock for the mouse. Logitech has been doing this for a while. you just charge it when its not in use and u dont have to deal w/ plugging it into the computer each time either.

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm?page=products/details&CRID=3&CONTENTID=4999&countryid=19&languageid=1