Panther 'Test' Software Update

[MacRumors]

In your Panther Software Update:


This Panther Update is being made available to test the Software Update feature in Panther and address a few Exposé, Mail and iChat issues. Please install this update and provide us feedback via your normal channels>

Screenshot (http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/panthersu.pdf)

[jbrown]

mmmm.....thought they weren't doing software updates on the beta??

[daveL]

Originally posted by Macrumors
In your Panther Software Update:



Screenshot (http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/panthersu.pdf)
I'm not questioning this, but it is interesting to note that there's no Panther update available on the ADC download area. Of course, there's no Panther seed distribution yet, either.

I signed up for ADC Select on June 30th and haven't received anything. I've been expecting an updated Panther beta to become more widely available (all ADC seed participants), but nothing so far.

[Chealion]

Either way, this is a good sign that Apple cares about the developers to address such issues. They never did that for Jaguar.

[unfaded]

Originally posted by daveL
I'm not questioning this, but it is interesting to note that there's no Panther update available on the ADC download area. Of course, there's no Panther seed distribution yet, either.

I signed up for ADC Select on June 30th and haven't received anything. I've been expecting an updated Panther beta to become more widely available (all ADC seed participants), but nothing so far.

Why would this be weird...they're testing the software update...

[MacSlut]

Originally posted by unfaded
Why would this be weird...they're testing the software update...

Because they never did this before with any other beta of OSX.

It could be that they're looking for who has Panther that shouldn't have Panther.

[tsunake]

Originally posted by unfaded
Why would this be weird...they're testing the software update...

The software update test includes updates for expose, mail, and ichat.

[arn]

Originally posted by MacSlut
Because they never did this before with any other beta of OSX.

It could be that they're looking for who has Panther that shouldn't have Panther.

well - that would be difficult. They gave Panther to thousands (I think) of developers at WWDC. Which probably was intended to be installed at their home/work machines etc...

It's not like there's a registry.

arn

[daveL]

Originally posted by unfaded
Why would this be weird...they're testing the software update...
Because it fixes some other bugs, as well?

For instance, I originally got the 10.2.6 update via software update, but it is also available, along with all the 10.2.x updates, on the ADC download area.

[jg3]

Please let's not post PDFs without noting that that's what they are - especially if they don't give any more information than the post itself. 'Preciate it.

[CaptainScarlet]

Originally posted by MacSlut
It could be that they're looking for who has Panther that shouldn't have Panther.


So what, I'm sure Apple knows that everyone wants a copy!!!

And users are going to get a copy no matter what!!

It's good for everyone....

I'm not going to keep this beta forever, just until they release the Panther out of the cage.....then I'll bite it............

:)

CS

[agent302]

Does anyone know if the update changed the build number at all? Just curious.

[bitfactory]

Originally posted by agent302
Does anyone know if the update changed the build number at all? Just curious.

what was the original # ?

[AppleMatt]

The original build number is 7A179.

When the update downloads and restarts the machine, I'll post the new build number (which I doubt has changed)

In the meantime...they've added a pause button to Software Update! Fantastic!

AppleMatt

[mustang_dvs]

Originally posted by daveL
I signed up for ADC Select on June 30th and haven't received anything. I've been expecting an updated Panther beta to become more widely available (all ADC seed participants), but nothing so far.

I too am dismayed by the lack of a formal developer seeding. As of Wednesday (the last time I bothered to call), Apple has still not decided when ADC members with seeding keys will receive the developer preview of 10.3. Therefore, most 3rd part developers have yet to get their hands on Panther.

Kind of blows the whole 'final release in September' rumor out of the water, eh?

[henryblackman]

I wrote to Apple asking about seeding (I'm an ADC Select member) and they confirmed that they would be seeding to developers not at the show.

They said that you'd need to be registered on June 23rd to qualify, and that I should watch out for the seeding email they send out.

I assume their email was not private - hopefully not away :-(

[AppleMatt]

While not an ADC member, I see your arguments, and am quite shocked Apple haven't released it to you lot yet. It would be nice if they included Safari style bug reporting on a lot of things, aswell as the usual channels.

Right...the update:

New Mac OS X 10.3 build number is 7A202.

Unfortunately I did not check the Mail version before I updated.

What's more interesting is after restart (which took AGES), I was presented with this screen. Safari version is still the same. Ideas?

[CaptainScarlet]

Originally posted by AppleMatt
The original build number is 7A179.

When the update downloads and restarts the machine, I'll post the new build number (which I doubt has changed)

In the meantime...they've added a pause button to Software Update! Fantastic!

AppleMatt


I think it was 7A207 or 7A202....



It has changed....I made sure of that...


CS

[preachermanshow]

I think it just has to do with keychain updates. most of my apps wanted new access to keychains

[Backtothemac]

Everything feels better. Especially scrolling in Safari. Also an updated build.

Finder redraws are much faster, iPhoto is still a pig, but it is getting better.

[thebossisback]

Does 10.3 feel significantly faster than 10.2?

[AppleMatt]

Originally posted by thebossisback
Does 10.3 feel significantly faster than 10.2?

The UI does, and XBench scores prove it (upto 49% speed increase), however other areas currently show a (significant) drop, and playing games proves this. But the dock is soooo much smoother, and Safari scrolling is smooth, so I'm happy with it, bearing in mind it isn't even alpha yet.

This latest update seems to have slowed expose, perhaps the bug fixes added more initial calcluations on position?

It's all progress, I'm sure by the time Panther comes out there will be great across the board improvements (Specifically I'm hoping for major graphics improvements, but also sound improvements because that area has been slightly ignored for audio professionals)

AppleMatt

[bignumbers]

Originally posted by jg3
Please let's not post PDFs without noting that that's what they are - especially if they don't give any more information than the post itself. 'Preciate it.

I agree - not a pleasant surprise. That would have been fine as a jpeg or gif...

[thebossisback]

thats good so by the time it comes out they will hopefully fix the problems

now that about it, it seems as though 10.2 wasnt much faster than 10.1 but that may be that im used to 10.2

[crees!]

Originally posted by jg3
Please let's not post PDFs without noting that that's what they are - especially if they don't give any more information than the post itself. 'Preciate it.

Originally posted by bignumbers
I agree - not a pleasant surprise. That would have been fine as a jpeg or gif...

Are you that lazy that you can't mouseover and see what the link is pointing to before you click on it? :confused: Sheesh

[Veldek]

Or get the PDF browser plugin:

http://www.schubert-it.com/pluginpdf/

[AppleMatt]

Not everyone is on a fast connection, and those who are still don't want to download unwanted things. It's just courtesy, nothing more.

AppleMatt

[Veldek]

Originally posted by AppleMatt
Not everyone is on a fast connection, and those who are still don't want to download unwanted things. It's just courtesy, nothing more.

AppleMatt

So was my proposal. I just wanted to show you an option because it's possible that you didn't want PDFs because you can't load them in your browser. If it's all about filesize, then crees! seems to be right.

[F/reW/re]

Update doesn't fix my problems!

I still can't view html mails in Mail.
Safari still stops loading webpages halfway loaded.

iBook Dual USB, 384 RAM.

[AppleMatt]

For those considering installing Panther;

I have noticed that it doesn't handle upgrades too well yet, and the machines I have performed an upgrade on have all needed a clean installation.

Problems range from missing applications, applications failing to lauch, applications crashing and unexpectedly closing. Also there were a number of System Preferences issues.

A clean installation solved all of these.

AppleMatt

[daveL]

About an hour after I posted here yesterday, I received my ADC mailing. It has the same SW that was given out at WWDC. So there coming at you! The bit about being registered in ADC by 6/23 does not appear to be accurate, since I didn't purchase my Select membership until 6/30.

[jimthorn]

Did the iChat version number change after the update? If so, it would suggest that a new beta will be available soon for 10.2. I'm hoping this is the case, since many bugs have already been discovered, and Apple is using it to promote the iSight.

[sparkleytone]

Originally posted by F/reW/re
Update doesn't fix my problems!

I still can't view html mails in Mail.
Safari still stops loading webpages halfway loaded.

iBook Dual USB, 384 RAM.

maybe you should use an officially released nonbeta OS then?

[MacKid]

Originally posted by jg3
Please let's not post PDFs without noting that that's what they are - especially if they don't give any more information than the post itself. 'Preciate it.

Whoa, calm down!

Why are you getting so worked up?


It was 40+KB! Do you have a 14.4k modem or something?:rolleyes: :confused:

[Heart Break Kid]

did the update adress the issue of the backlit keyboard on the 17" AL?

i know it does not work in panther anymore when it was first released

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by Heart Break Kid
did the update adress the issue of the backlit keyboard on the 17" AL?

i know it does not work in panther anymore when it was first released

There are some issues w/ it, mainly pertaining to the new settings in System Preferences for the light sensors.

It doesn't appear as if this update addresses that, if it's still an issue.

[Heart Break Kid]

lol

well guess it means im still gonna be using jag

though panther dev release is great for novelty purposes

[Rincewind42]

Originally posted by AppleMatt
I have noticed that it doesn't handle upgrades too well yet, and the machines I have performed an upgrade on have all needed a clean installation.

Problems range from missing applications, applications failing to lauch, applications crashing and unexpectedly closing. Also there were a number of System Preferences issues.

I didn't have any of these problems. However, if your Panther installation has noticed any files from a Jaguar installation it (or more notably vice versa) then the wrong version may be launching. My upgrade went smooth as silk.

[beg_ne]

Originally posted by MacKid
Whoa, calm down!

Why are you getting so worked up?


It was 40+KB! Do you have a 14.4k modem or something?:rolleyes: :confused:

I agree, don't see what the big deal was.

I guess for some of us life is too short to get pissy about a widely used, standard format thats available on just about every electroic device known to man that can display an image, albeit used in a slightly strange manner...and for others it isn't. ;)

[The Grimace]

Originally posted by beg_ne
I agree, don't see what the big deal was.

I guess for some of us life is too short to get pissy about a widely used, standard format thats available on just about every electroic device known to man that can display an image, albeit used in a slightly strange manner...and for others it isn't. ;)

It's about consideration. How much more diffucult would it have been to type "PDF" than "Screenshot"? Not only would there have been less work (fewer keys pressed), it would have been more informative and intuitive.

I agree with the original request. I opened the link in another tab, but when I clicked on it, it wasn't there. So then I gotta go looking for the PDF. Then I gotta wait for Acrobat to load (It's quicker than Preview or Acrobat Viewer). Someone suggested a plug-in. Well, that's great for future reference, but means squat right now.

And yes, I have broadband, so it downloaded in a heartbeat. That's not the point. The point is about accurately conveying infomation.

Ok, rant is over now.

(tig)

[henryblackman]

DaveL, please read the seeding email you have... second paragraph with regards to the date. All Select members will likely get this email, but not necessarily the CDs - otherwise why would that paragraph be in there.

Of course I sincerely hope you do get the CDs. Otherwise your purchase of ADC Select might have been in vain.

[Veldek]

Originally posted by The Grimace
It's about consideration. How much more diffucult would it have been to type "PDF" than "Screenshot"? Not only would there have been less work (fewer keys pressed), it would have been more informative and intuitive.

I agree with the original request. I opened the link in another tab, but when I clicked on it, it wasn't there. So then I gotta go looking for the PDF. Then I gotta wait for Acrobat to load (It's quicker than Preview or Acrobat Viewer). Someone suggested a plug-in. Well, that's great for future reference, but means squat right now.

And yes, I have broadband, so it downloaded in a heartbeat. That's not the point. The point is about accurately conveying infomation.

Ok, rant is over now.

(tig)

Well as pdf is a native format in Mac OS X, there's always the possibility that a screenshot is in fact a pdf. So I don't know why this isn't accurate. And what is wrong about a plugin? :confused: