Fidel Castro is about to die!!!

[mymemory]

Fidel Castro is suffering from prostate cancer and this one is spreading without any control inside his body. This news is particulary strong in Venezuela because Fidel Castro is receiving medical treatment in a hidding place in a island called Margarita.

This news is comming in a good time because intelligence agencies where reporting for the past 3 months that president of Venezuela Hugo Chavez want to set up his comunist dictatorship in Venezuela in August 20th togather with Fidel Castro and some 10.000 armed cuban troops supported by the venezuelan government and a few small sectors of the venezuelan army.

Itelligence officials inside the venezuelan army are sending information via e-mail telling "Mr Castro came to Maragarita island as he allways do every month to check the venezuelan invation togather with Hugo Chavez using his secret place, usually each meeting takes about 2 days but it have been a week and he hasn't get out yet".

Those are some of the reports everybody is talking to and the media is showing a few bits of information specially from Spain and some areas of the intelligence department of the US.

[tazo]

:::que interesante::: :)

thanks for the report mymemory. Keep us posted!

[hvfsl]

I thought he was dead years ago. He did manage to do some good things for Cuba, for example Cuba has the third best health care in the world.

[mymemory]

Originally posted by hvfsl
I thought he was dead years ago. He did manage to do some good things for Cuba, for example Cuba has the third best health care in the world.

Oh My God!!! you are so away from this world!!!

Their health system is so lame, that was just communist propaganda. Cuba was good because they heritage all their technology from Rusia. One of the way to import armed cubans in to Venezuela with a "health support program" of cubans doctors, of course all of them are from the cuban military and they know nothing about medicine.

Some of the cubans doctors are scaping once they get here and hidding of course, just to tell you that the cubans before they execute some one they take all their blood first in the field.

Cuban medicine is pure crap, just last week a cuban doctor gave to a pregnant woman a "Cuba magic pill" for something she had, well, she had an stroke that night and is in coma right now, the doctor scaped and everybody is persecuting the cuban doctors to kill them here in my country.

Cuba is the toilete of the caribbean, no wonder Castro comes to Venezuela when is sick or go to Spain when he needs professional attention.

[medea]

If your going to post in Current Events you should give us a link to follow through the story with.

[Sayhey]

Anti-Castro Cubans have been predicting Castro's death for 40 years. One of these days they will be right. I'll believe it when it happens.

[Mac Kiwi]

Castro will not go quietly into the night I would not think.



Heres a link I got from Time mag for foreign affairs.This site often has behind the scenes info that is on the site and then in the papers etc a week or so later,sometimes even longer.It is followed daily by a number of intelligence agencies around the world,according to Time.


http://www.debka.com/



Stu.

[mymemory]

Originally posted by Sayhey
Anti-Castro Cubans have been predicting Castro's death for 40 years. One of these days they will be right. I'll believe it when it happens.

Well, he is about 80 now.

Here is a good link about it: http://www.amigospais-guaracabuya.org/oagmf012.html

The rest of the information I have is in spanish.

[NavyIntel007]

Wow, I find that hard to believe. Not to say you don't know what you're talking about, I'm sure you know more about what's going on in Cuba than anyone in the US. I guess we've been so used to Castro being the US "thorn in the foot" so to speak that it almost seemed like he would never die.

It was interesting to hear your perspective on their health system. All I've heard is how good their health and education systems are over there. Of course, I hear that about Canadian medicine too but there's isn't that great either.

I wonder where that will put diplomatic relations between Cuba and the US?

[idea_hamster]

Originally posted by NavyIntel007
I wonder where that will put diplomatic relations between Cuba and the US?

[non-judgmental]

In the hands of the current administration.

[/non-judgmental]

Also, I've followed Debka for a few months since NPR did a bit on them. NPR billed them as carrying stories that sound too bizzare to be true, but then, about two weeks later, we'll see one of them in the main-stream press. Well, I've seen lots of the former from Debka. Still waiting for the latter.... But if your focus is the Middle East, they do have very current info.

[maradong]

Originally posted by mymemory
Oh My God!!! you are so away from this world!!!

Their health system is so lame, that was just communist propaganda. Cuba was good because they heritage all their technology from Rusia. One of the way to import armed cubans in to Venezuela with a "health support program" of cubans doctors, of course all of them are from the cuban military and they know nothing about medicine.

Some of the cubans doctors are scaping once they get here and hidding of course, just to tell you that the cubans before they execute some one they take all their blood first in the field.

Cuban medicine is pure crap, just last week a cuban doctor gave to a pregnant woman a "Cuba magic pill" for something she had, well, she had an stroke that night and is in coma right now, the doctor scaped and everybody is persecuting the cuban doctors to kill them here in my country.

Cuba is the toilete of the caribbean, no wonder Castro comes to Venezuela when is sick or go to Spain when he needs professional attention.

so true,
so true....

[MrMacMan]

Well Castro has been lossing grip over his country making communism weaker and weaker.

Adding more and more capitalism.

[gotohamish]

I'm amazed at the amount of people on this site that CAN spell intelligence, but insist on spelling 'coming' with to 'Ms'.

[Durandal7]

Originally posted by gotohamish
I'm amazed at the amount of people on this site that CAN spell intelligence, but insist on spelling 'coming' with to 'Ms'.

I'm amazed at people who nitpick spelling of those whose first language is not English. I'm amazed at those who DO know how many Ms are in "coming" but use "to" instead of "two" or the number 2.

If all you are going to do is nitpick spelling then don't bother, it adds nothing to the conversation and someone might nitpick you in turn.

[hvfsl]

Originally posted by mymemory
Oh My God!!! you are so away from this world!!!

Their health system is so lame, that was just communist propaganda. Cuba was good because they heritage all their technology from Rusia. One of the way to import armed cubans in to Venezuela with a "health support program" of cubans doctors, of course all of them are from the cuban military and they know nothing about medicine.

Some of the cubans doctors are scaping once they get here and hidding of course, just to tell you that the cubans before they execute some one they take all their blood first in the field.

Cuban medicine is pure crap, just last week a cuban doctor gave to a pregnant woman a "Cuba magic pill" for something she had, well, she had an stroke that night and is in coma right now, the doctor scaped and everybody is persecuting the cuban doctors to kill them here in my country.

Cuba is the toilete of the caribbean, no wonder Castro comes to Venezuela when is sick or go to Spain when he needs professional attention.

Well the UK health system is being based on the Cuban model. Anyway the Cuban system is a lot better than the US one where lots of people don't even get health care. In Cuba (as well as most other countries in the world and all countries in the EU) everyone has the right to health care, no matter how rich they are and they don't have massive long waiting lists like in the UK. The medical tec may not always be upto US standands, but at least it is there.

[NavyIntel007]

Originally posted by Durandal7
I'm amazed at people who nitpick spelling of those whose first language is not English. I'm amazed at those who DO know how many Ms are in "coming" but use "to" instead of "two" or the number 2.

If all you are going to do is nitpick spelling then don't bother, it adds nothing to the conversation and someone might nitpick you in turn.

LOL I bet he feels stupid (and should)... :cool:

[Mick_McMick]

> Well the UK health system is being based on the Cuban model. Anyway the Cuban system is a lot better than the US one where lots of people don't even get health care. In Cuba (as well as most other countries in the world and all countries in the EU) everyone has the right to health care, no matter how rich they are and they don't have massive long waiting lists like in the UK. The medical tec may not always be upto US standands, but at least it is there.

Well THAT speaks volumes about the national health plan in the UK, doesn't it? Sure, it's "free," but when you have to wait two years to get treatment for a heart attack, it also has no value. The system there is a mess. Not to say the system here is great, but even those on welfare can get immediate treatment when they need it.

As for the great Cuban medical system that always gets dragged out in praise of that monster, Fidel: have you heard of the great Cuban medical system's method of handling the AIDS crisis? Throw anybody who dares to get AIDS in prison and let them die there.

Who can continue supporting this regime?

[pseudobrit]

I find it disturbing that anyone would celebrate prostate cancer. I wouldn't wish cancer on anyone.

[wdlove]

I don't wish for his death, I pray for world leaders that they might rule with kindness.

Hopefully he is getting the treatment that he needs. A lot of times someone of his age will die of something else befor its the cancer,

I do hope that his eventual death will bring democracy to Cuba!

[caveman_uk]

Originally posted by Mick_McMick
> Well the UK health system is being based on the Cuban model. Anyway the Cuban system is a lot better than the US one where lots of people don't even get health care. In Cuba (as well as most other countries in the world and all countries in the EU) everyone has the right to health care, no matter how rich they are and they don't have massive long waiting lists like in the UK. The medical tec may not always be upto US standands, but at least it is there.

Well THAT speaks volumes about the national health plan in the UK, doesn't it? Sure, it's "free," but when you have to wait two years to get treatment for a heart attack, it also has no value. The system there is a mess. Not to say the system here is great, but even those on welfare can get immediate treatment when they need it.

As for the great Cuban medical system that always gets dragged out in praise of that monster, Fidel: have you heard of the great Cuban medical system's method of handling the AIDS crisis? Throw anybody who dares to get AIDS in prison and let them die there.

Who can continue supporting this regime?
If you waited two years for treatment for a heart attack you'd have already been dead for two years. There may be a wait to see a heart specialist but that is hardly the same as a heart attack is it?

Why is it the US hates Fidel Castro so much? Is it because his tin pot communist dictatorship is just off the Florida coast? You folks are very selective about the 'monsters' you choose to dislike and the ones you give financial and military aid to.
I don't wish for his death, I pray for world leaders that they might rule with kindness.
Probably the most sensible thing said here

[gotohamish]

Originally posted by NavyIntel007
LOL I bet he feels stupid (and should)... :cool:

No, I don't feel stupid at all. I made a deliberate mistake to add some spice to the game. I was curious who else noticed these things. Looks like quite a few.

Public domain, people.

;)

[sedarby]

Originally posted by caveman_uk
If you waited two years for treatment for a heart attack you'd have already been dead for two years. There may be a wait to see a heart specialist but that is hardly the same as a heart attack is it?

Why is it the US hates Fidel Castro so much? Is it because his tin pot communist dictatorship is just off the Florida coast? You folks are very selective about the 'monsters' you choose to dislike and the ones you give financial and military aid to.

Probably the most sensible thing said here

Heart attacks are not always fatal. Castro is a dictator plain and simple. He has aimed missiles at Florida and posed a considerable threat for over 30 years. The threat was not Cuba itself but it's ties with Russia. If you had lived in the U.S.A. during the 1960's you would understand.

[caveman_uk]

Originally posted by sedarby
Heart attacks are not always fatal. Castro is a dictator plain and simple. He has aimed missiles at Florida and posed a considerable threat for over 30 years. The threat was not Cuba itself but it's ties with Russia. If you had lived in the U.S.A. during the 1960's you would understand.
You should realise that the UK had your missiles and our missiles pointed at them and theirs pointed at us since the fifties (and they still are only less so) so don't come the 'we were scared having russian nukes such a short distance away' act. We've had it for half a century and you had it for a few weeks and you nearly started the third world war over it.

[tazo]

Originally posted by wdlove
I don't wish for his death, I pray for world leaders that they might rule with kindness.

Hopefully he is getting the treatment that he needs. A lot of times someone of his age will die of something else befor its the cancer,

I do hope that his eventual death will bring democracy to Cuba!

Dang man, you almost bordered on human, and sensitive :) I have never seen you play anything less then both sides on any issue :D

[Kid Red]

Originally posted by hvfsl
I thought he was dead years ago. He did manage to do some good things for Cuba, for example Cuba has the third best health care in the world.

Yea, so when you faint due to malnutrition or get beaten by the police because you voiced your political opinion and it wasn't in line with what the government says you should say, the hospital will take good care of you without any insurance :rolleyes:

[evolu]

Originally posted by Kid Red
Yea, so when you faint due to malnutrition or get beaten by the police because you voiced your political opinion and it wasn't in line with what the government says you should say, the hospital will take good care of you without any insurance :rolleyes:

Actually sounds like you're describing the US more than Cuba. Except in the US you won't get treatment without insurance...

There is an incredibly low rate of starvation in Cuba - lower than that of the US.

What pisses off the US more than anything is the fact that Cuba thrives even after all the embargos and political pressure from the US.

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by hvfsl
Well the UK health system is being based on the Cuban model. Anyway the Cuban system is a lot better than the US one where lots of people don't even get health care. In Cuba (as well as most other countries in the world and all countries in the EU) everyone has the right to health care, no matter how rich they are and they don't have massive long waiting lists like in the UK. The medical tec may not always be upto US standands, but at least it is there.

You're acting as if the two are totally unrelated!

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by pseudobrit
I find it disturbing that anyone would celebrate prostate cancer. I wouldn't wish cancer on anyone.

Castro deserves it. He stole 10% of Cuba's GDP and has brutalized and enslaved the entire populace of Cuba. Short of mass murder, there is no evil that Castro has not stooped to.

Remember, in Florida, a hanging chad is a voting irregularity. In Cuba, hanging Chad is someone who wanted to vote against Castro.

[pseudobrit]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Castro deserves it.

You're sick.

[Phil Of Mac]

And you have no sense of justice. Who feels sorry for Al Capone dying of syphilis? Castro is different from Capone only in that Castro actually controls the government, so he can get away with more that Capone ever did.

Did you feel sorry for Strom Thurmond when he died? Strom is not nearly as evil as Castro or any other tyrant.

Castro has enslaved one country and now he's trying to enslave another. He deserves to die.

[pseudobrit]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Did you feel sorry for Strom Thurmond when he died?

Yes. I don't let the fact that I didn't like his actions during his life separate him from the bond we share as humans.

I sincerely would never wish death or disease on any fellow human being because

a) it's not my place to judge

b) I wouldn't want anyone to wish ill things on me

[Phil Of Mac]

If that human being is in the process of assisting with the enslavement of millions of other human beings, but dies before he can accomplish that, isn't that preferable? Castro has devoted his life to subjugating and destroying human freedom and in many cases human life. Whatever claim he had to being "human", he lost it long ago.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
If that human being is in the process of assisting with the enslavement of millions of other human beings, but dies before he can accomplish that, isn't that preferable? Castro has devoted his life to subjugating and destroying human freedom and in many cases human life. Whatever claim he had to being "human", he lost it long ago.

What's more human than hurting your fellow humans?

[MrMacMan]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
What's more human than hurting your fellow humans?

Helping them?

Don't get Primal on me!

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by MrMacman
Helping them?

Don't get Primal on me!

LOL, but you see the two sides of the coin that is humanity...

[daveg5]

has anyone hear been to cuba with first hand knowledge or is this all hearsay from the web radio, news and what not

[daveg5]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Castro deserves it. He stole 10% of Cuba's GDP and has brutalized and enslaved the entire populace of Cuba. Short of mass murder, there is no evil that Castro has not stooped to.

Remember, in Florida, a hanging chad is a voting irregularity. In Cuba, hanging Chad is someone who wanted to vote against Castro.

isnt that how america started?

[redAPPLE]

Originally posted by evolu


What pisses off the US more than anything is the fact that Cuba thrives even after all the embargos and political pressure from the US.

that is in my opinion, also the same reason, why dubya started bombing that other middle eastern country :( .

serve the servants, dubya.

[markomarko]

HOLD ON A MINUTE...

Lula, joining Castro, to start a communist dicatatorship in Venezuela? Get off the coca pal...

Lula is not communist by any stretch of the imagination...

The original post is BULL****.

And to the person who said TIME had the inside scoop........HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[wdlove]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
What's more human than hurting your fellow humans?

We are to love our fellow human beings. Even to a greater extent love our enemies, kill someone with kindness!

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by wdlove
We are to love our fellow human beings. Even to a greater extent love our enemies, kill someone with kindness!

You can't deny the cruelty inherent in human nature. It's as much a part of us as our kindness. Everyone has the two sentiments in varying degrees.

[Phil Of Mac]

The central nature of what humanity is has nothing to do with how we treat each other. That is, while certainly an important consideration, not the whole issue. The central nature of what humanity is, is that we are the only species which survives by reason. Other animals rely on instinct, which can be either simple or complex, trainable or not trainable, and while it can often be extremely sophisticated, it is nothing like the ability of humans to reason. In fact, humans *need* to reason in order to survive. As Ayn Rand wrote, "To stay alive, he must act, and in order to act he must know the nature and purpose of his action....To stay alive, he must think."

This is *incidentally* why Castro is so evil and inhuman. It's not that he merely kills people and enslaves them, although that's certainly part of it. Basically, Castro runs Cuba, and you either obey Castro, or you suffer. If you say to a human being, "Do what I want or I beat you up," that person can't use his mind in order to survive. His choice has been limited. His ability to reason and think has been eliminated because he has no reason to think, his thoughts will have no impact on what he chooses to do, because what he does, he is *forced* to do.

We face this evil, force, in many ways. The way it should work is that the State is there to prevent it. If Bob points a gun at me and demands my money, the State's purpose is to stop him from getting away with it. Hopefully, the justice doled out by the State will be enough that it'll deter Bob from mugging me in the first place. (Yes, the State uses force against Bob, but the distinction is, Bob *initiated* the use of force, the State is merely responding--i.e. justice).

The problem is, a State many times chooses to leave this role and initiate force against its citizens. This takes many forms. Sometimes they arrest people when the haven't initiated force themselves. Sometimes they use regulations and plans to *make* them work a certain way, removing any initiative from them. And, truth be told, in almost every place on Earth the State does this.

The reason Castro is so evil, however, is because he initiates force on such a large scale. His communist economic system relies on a form of central planning. In other words, the State decides what you do for a living, and how you do it. If I want to farm this way, I can't, Castro says I must farm that way. I farm, but I don't farm for myself, I farm for Castro. The fruits of my labor, Castro takes, and sells, so Castro has more money. It's my produce, but Castro *takes* it from me. Castro has managed to steal billions of dollars this way, so much that his net worth is 10% of Cuba's anemic GDP. While Castro prospers off stolen goods, Cubans suffer in poverty, because he has stolen from them.

Yes, this situation is true in mostly every country. Under communism, however, and especially under Castro, it is true to an especially great degree.

Castro's "perfect communist paradise" drives Cubans into the sea toward Florida constantly. Cubans who can afford nothing but an inner tube and a cardboard box try and make them into seaworthy vessels and sail to Florida. Many of them die trying. If that many people are so desparate to risk death to escape from Castro, then Cuba is no better than East Germany, of which President Kennedy once said something to the effect of, "Whatever the faults of democracy, we at least don't have to build a wall to keep our people from leaving."

It is the spirit of the human being to think and to act thoughtfully in order to survive, and to do this requires freedom. Castro destroys this very freedom. The human being wants to be free. He *needs* to be free. It is a central right, a central condition of his existence. Yet Castro enslaves an entire nation and uses them to build his own fortune. Other than mass murder, what is more inhuman than that?

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by daveg5
isnt that how america started?

Short answer--uh, no.

Long answer--The closest thing colonial America ever came to communism with was a utopian type of communism practiced by the Pilgrims. The failure of this was the main reason that they almost starved to death (and would have, were it not for help from the Indians.)

The genocide of Native Americans and the purchase and shipment of enslaved Africans were both central parts of the English and British policies in America. These policies were in place throughout the world at that time, however. I'm not denying or trying to minimize these evils, but the American Revolution at the very least manifested the principles of freedom and justice. Essentially, America had these principles and betrayed them. We still betray these principles today. But at least we have the principles. Castro does not have those principles at all. That is the distinguishing characteristic.

[markomarko]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Short answer--uh, no.

Long answer--The closest thing colonial America ever came to communism with was a utopian type of communism practiced by the Pilgrims. The failure of this was the main reason that they almost starved to death (and would have, were it not for help from the Indians.)

The genocide of Native Americans and the purchase and shipment of enslaved Africans were both central parts of the English and British policies in America. These policies were in place throughout the world at that time, however. I'm not denying or trying to minimize these evils, but the American Revolution at the very least manifested the principles of freedom and justice. Essentially, America had these principles and betrayed them. We still betray these principles today. But at least we have the principles. Castro does not have those principles at all. That is the distinguishing characteristic.

Uhh, so there are no principles in Communism? Riiight... ever heard of "The Communist Manifesto"? America only "has" its principles insofar as they are manifested, else every Cuban, even Castro has those same principles, so long as your definition of what it is to possess them requires only that they exist in mind. And, to correct you, plenty of freedom-loving white Americans bought and sold slaves without the help of the British. In fact, the end of the historically-recognized slave trade came much, MUCH earlier in Britain than it did in the US. Sadly, there are more slaves than ever before in the world, some even in the US. Buy a chocolate bar or hand-hooked persian rug and you've touched slavery.

[Phil Of Mac]

Communism has principles, it's just that the sanctity of human life and human freedom aren't what those principles are.

And, quite simply, for any human being who is considered to be an actual person, yes, those principles are in practice and always have been in practice in America. It is an atrocity that we purchased and used enslaved Africans, but that was the exception to the rule, and a violation of the rule, and almost everyone knew that. We also ended it.

Under communism, enslavement by the state is the rule. Everyone is a slave. The very principle is not freedom, but slavery. That is the distinction.

[wdlove]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Communism has principles, it's just that the sanctity of human life and human freedom aren't what those principles are.

And, quite simply, for any human being who is considered to be an actual person, yes, those principles are in practice and always have been in practice in America. It is an atrocity that we purchased and used enslaved Africans, but that was the exception to the rule, and a violation of the rule, and almost everyone knew that. We also ended it.

Under communism, enslavement by the state is the rule. Everyone is a slave. The very principle is not freedom, but slavery. That is the distinction.

All thanks to our Constitution. The sad part is that the Democrat Party Platform sounds very much like the Communist Manifesto. Republicans measure success of our nation on the number of our citizens that are self sufficient. The Democrat party measures success on the number of our citizens that are dependent on government, hence slaves!

[Phil Of Mac]

I don't think either major party really wants people to be self-sufficient. Traditional Conservatives are like fascists, they don't realize that economic freedom only brings prosperity when it's combined with civil and personal freedom. Authoritarian conservatives such as John Ashcroft and Pat Robertson don't seem to get this, nor do they seem to care.

[pseudobrit]

Stick a fork in it; this thread's done.

Democrats are communist and conservatives are Fascists. Hmm-mmm. Sounds reasonable enough to me.

Here we go to the Wasteland!!

[eyelikeart]

I'm gonna let rower get ahold of this one... ;)