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MacBytes
Jul 21, 2003, 01:50 PM
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Link: Billboard Digital Download Chart. The numbers are small, with the #1 tune coming in at 1500 purchases. A small start... but a start. (http://slate.msn.com/id/2085779/)

Posted on MacBytes.com (http://www.macbytes.com)

arn
Jul 21, 2003, 01:51 PM
In the short run, though, the numbers are so modest that a well-coordinated effort by a band with a devoted fan base and at least one song for sale on iTunes, Liquid Audio, Rhapsody, or one of the other services included in SoundScan's numbers could theoretically push that song to No. 1. (The chart doesn't track file-sharing services like Grokster.) For that matter, a moderately influential Weblogger could probably pick a song at random from the current inventory, harangue his or her audience to buy it during a particular time period, and put in the Top 10.

so, who do you want to push for number one next week courtesy of MacRumors/MacBytes?

:)

Surprisingly enough, this may trigger the era of Internet Music ads..... cause getting #1 on the billboard top-whatever is press in itself.

arn

Kwyjibo
Jul 21, 2003, 01:54 PM
hmmm...macrumors story about a service that can put a ban'ds music on itunes....macbytes story on how to get great press for a band....any musicians at macrumors wanan submit their music and get arn to post a link?

gunb0y
Jul 21, 2003, 01:59 PM
i suddenly feel empowered

MrMacMan
Jul 21, 2003, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by arn
so, who do you want to push for number one next week courtesy of MacRumors/MacBytes?

:)

Surprisingly enough, this may trigger the era of Internet Music ads..... cause getting #1 on the billboard top-whatever is press in itself.

arn

haha, just post a specific song, we all buy and get it and we could push it to #1!

haha!

How about we make our own Indie company and release 'Mac Rumors is #1' with the song 'Go to Macrumors.com!' and we all download it and it gets up there, great idea aint it? :p

Waluigi
Jul 21, 2003, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by arn
Surprisingly enough, this may trigger the era of Internet Music ads.....

Hopefully the ads won't be like those crazy ads before a movie in the movie theaters! It would just plain stink to have to listen to a non-fast fowardable 30 second commercial for Viagra, just so you could play back a Raffi song for your kids.....

--Waluigi

Steamboatwillie
Jul 21, 2003, 02:41 PM
Arn,

If you are serious I'll donate a song (an original) and give you the rights to publish it. By no means am I a professional musician. I just write electronic music as a hobby. Sounds like fun to me!

Steamboatwillie :D

P.S. All profits go to Macrumors to keep the site running!

gunb0y
Jul 21, 2003, 02:47 PM
just noticed ur profile... nice gear willie. i'll buy your song!

Laslo Panaflex
Jul 21, 2003, 02:51 PM
I always wanted to start a chain email to have everyone vote on TRL for "Take on me" by Aha on a certain day, that would be funny to have Carson say, "And today at number 1 its AHA take on me!"

Well I hate chain emails and don't think that it would work anyway since record compainies employ people at minimum wage to vote all day for thier artists. So lets all go out andbuy Aha take on me and take it to number on the Billboard charts.

Peas.

Waluigi
Jul 21, 2003, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by Laslo Panaflex
I always wanted to start a chain email to have everyone vote on TRL for "Take on me" by Aha on a certain day, that would be funny to have Carson say, "And today at number 1 its AHA take on me!"

Well I hate chain emails and don't think that it would work anyway since record compainies employ people at minimum wage to vote all day for thier artists. So lets all go out andbuy Aha take on me and take it to number on the Billboard charts.

Peas.

May the 80's (and its music) live on forever! By the way, take on me is one of the greatest songs ever!

--Waluigi

arn
Jul 21, 2003, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by Laslo Panaflex
I always wanted to start a chain email to have everyone vote on TRL for "Take on me" by Aha on a certain day, that would be funny to have Carson say, "And today at number 1 its AHA take on me!"


Per the article, Time after Time by Cindy Lauper was #10 for no real reason. I guess people just wanted to get that song in digital format. :)

arn

weave
Jul 21, 2003, 03:02 PM
I've been wondering why until just very recently, Coldplay's Clocks song has been in the iTunes top 10 list every day I checked. Has it really been selling that well on iTunes? (It's currently at #11)

arn
Jul 21, 2003, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by Steamboatwillie
Arn,

If you are serious I'll donate a song (an original) and give you the rights to publish it. By no means am I a professional musician. I just write electronic music as a hobby. Sounds like fun to me!


naw - I'm just joking... but it is interesting...

thanks for the offer. :)
arn

Steamboatwillie
Jul 21, 2003, 03:06 PM
Here's another off-the-wall thought... You know the new promotion that VW has "Buy a Beetle, get an iPod for free"... If you go to vw.com and click the "Pods Unite" link a Flash based presentaion plays. In there is a link to MP3's and 10 songs you can download. Maybe we should buy those tunes from the music store using "The Kevin Bacon Theory", you know if you keep searching somehow you are related to Kevin Bacon. The same with these tunes and Apple! On a related, sad, note; Parts of the VW website does not work well in Safari... Shame VW, Shame...

Steamboatwillie

Bob Knob
Jul 21, 2003, 03:25 PM
Two tracks lend themselves to this, "Mac Man" by Beanie Sigel (it's rap, with clean and explicit versions) OR "Toby's Mac" by tobyMac (it's a :45 track).

I think "Toby's Mac" would be the best test of the forums power, the track/artist is/are obscure enough that any jump would be huge.

Arn, you call it, and then give a one week count down to a buy day/time. I'm in, after all, "it's only a buck"

Freg3000
Jul 21, 2003, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by weave
I've been wondering why until just very recently, Coldplay's Clocks song has been in the iTunes top 10 list every day I checked. Has it really been selling that well on iTunes? (It's currently at #11)

I think it has only because its that kind of song. Whatever that means. Seriously, I believe that a lot of people who like that song would never buy the whole album, so the iTMS is a good way to go. Plus it probably attracts a lot of people, because of it's style with the emphasis on the piano.

RHutch
Jul 21, 2003, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by Laslo Panaflex
I always wanted to start a chain email to have everyone vote on TRL for "Take on me" by Aha on a certain day, that would be funny to have Carson say, "And today at number 1 its AHA take on me!"

Well I hate chain emails and don't think that it would work anyway since record compainies employ people at minimum wage to vote all day for thier artists. So lets all go out andbuy Aha take on me and take it to number on the Billboard charts.

Peas.

I have always loved Take On Me. I would buy it from iTMS for this little experiment.

vanillamike
Jul 21, 2003, 04:13 PM
I'll paypal somone a buck to buy the song FOR ME :p (ITMS N/A in Canada)

Hows about we push "Ice Ice Baby" by Vanilla Ice up there. Its only fair since he paved the way for other white rappers like eminem. :D

Mike

Mudbug
Jul 21, 2003, 04:25 PM
This is funny and interesting at the same time. While the ability to push an obscure artist into instant "fame" if that's what you want to call it is interesting, it could actually show interesting trends in music buying that record stores can't show. Like how popular 80's music is still today (or it's resurgence), and record store sales can't really show that well since the albums aren't on the shelves anymore.

Anyhow, I'm game to help push some starving artist group to the number 1 position, if it will help a brother out. I would assume even that much little publicity for a struggling band would make a world of difference.

(OT) This is post #299 for me...

dstorey
Jul 21, 2003, 04:33 PM
How about Belle and Sebastian...or are they famous in the states now, still quite unknown hear except the whole brit awards thing between them and steps...

or apple of my eye by ed harcourt or even windows 95 sucks or microsoft empire strikes back by weird al haha....

MacViolinist
Jul 21, 2003, 04:35 PM
Anybody like Mozart? I've got a good recording of the Linz symphony and the concerto for 2 pianos that my orchestra just performed.

Kid Red
Jul 21, 2003, 06:27 PM
n the short run, though, the numbers are so modest that a well-coordinated effort by a band with a devoted fan base and at least one song for sale on iTunes, Liquid Audio, Rhapsody, or one of the other services included in SoundScan's numbers could theoretically push that song to No. 1.

So say BAND A would somehow contact (maybe thru their web site) 2000 fans, tell them all to buy the song off the net, from one of those stores? Yea, that'll happen. "Hey, we want to be #1, tell 10 of your friends to buy our mp3, and they'll tell 10 friends and so on and so on...."

Yea it's possible, but highly unlikely. The song will get #1 because of its popularity, not some bands conspiracy to steal the top spot :rolleyes:

arn
Jul 21, 2003, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by Kid Red
So say BAND A would somehow contact (maybe thru their web site) 2000 fans, tell them all to buy the song off the net, from one of those stores? Yea, that'll happen. "Hey, we want to be #1, tell 10 of your friends to buy our mp3, and they'll tell 10 friends and so on and so on...."

Yea it's possible, but highly unlikely. The song will get #1 because of its popularity, not some bands conspiracy to steal the top spot :rolleyes:

You don't think if some well-trafficed site posted "Let's all buy xyz song" this week to get in the billboard top 10, it couldn't happen?

I think it's very possible. I'm sure there are better known bands - but certainly not Top-10 bands who have 1000-2000 fans on the internet that would pay $.99 to see their fav band at #1 in the national rankings.

1500 sales in one week is within reach. Frankly, if I were an artist, i'd probably just drop $1500 on iTunes music store myself to see my band at #1.

arn

mactastic
Jul 21, 2003, 07:27 PM
I'm in. Just make it a song that doesn't suck!:D

Jerry Spoon
Jul 21, 2003, 07:31 PM
Can't wait to see what the #1 song sells when ITMS goes PC.

vniow
Jul 21, 2003, 07:34 PM
Originally posted by mactastic
I'm in. Just make it a song that doesn't suck!:D

I'm in too, same conditions apply, only at selected sites, void where prohibited.

Kid Red
Jul 21, 2003, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by arn
You don't think if some well-trafficed site posted "Let's all buy xyz song" this week to get in the billboard top 10, it couldn't happen?

I think it's very possible. I'm sure there are better known bands - but certainly not Top-10 bands who have 1000-2000 fans on the internet that would pay $.99 to see their fav band at #1 in the national rankings.

1500 sales in one week is within reach. Frankly, if I were an artist, i'd probably just drop $1500 on iTunes music store myself to see my band at #1.

arn

A site /-dotting an mp3 to buy is one thing, the author stated a band would lead the way. I just don't see some garage band putting the word out asking fans to spend their money strictly so they can get a higher listing? And your statement about a band itself buying the #1 spot is not what I am taking issue with. The issue is the conspiracy to get one's fans to buy it's way to the #1 spot. I would boycott the band out of principal if i was a a fan and was asked to spend cash for a publicity stunt.

smurphur
Jul 21, 2003, 08:17 PM
I think it is quite possible for smaller bands to pull their fans together to get a #1 spot. For example... a band I listen to, Thrice, recently got signed to a new record label. So they have a new record coming out, that has some songs that might appeal to a bigger audience. Well mtv has a viewers choice voting thing on their website for 3 bands, whoever gets the top vote their video will get played on MTV. Anyway, Thrice sent out an email to get their fans to vote for them and they also posted it on their website. Who knows if this was actually the record label doing it, but still... Thrice isn't all that well known, though I assume with their new record they should get semi-popular.

MrMacMan
Jul 21, 2003, 08:36 PM
arn, pick a song, any song and we will all download it. :)

I mean we could push a band we all like and then *poof* they are #1.
:)

Wry Cooter
Jul 21, 2003, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by Kid Red

Yea it's possible, but highly unlikely. The song will get #1 because of its popularity, not some bands conspiracy to steal the top spot :rolleyes:

Don't underestimate the willingness of labels to use payola... it is probably worse than it has ever been, since it has been legalized and is called 'consulting'.

So you spend a thousand dollars to get a song to blip on a chart, hoping the lemmings will bite. It might work. A lot of bestsellers charts are totally bogus.

They could always filter the numbers to ensure that all the purchases aren't coming from inside the Capitol Records building, or such, but you could eradicate an honest reflection of sales, fer instance, a band plays a college gig, and a few hundred of those college kids go and buy the tune from iTunes or some other service rather than stealing it from Kazaa, because the band was just there.

iwantanewmac
Jul 21, 2003, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by arn
You don't think if some well-trafficed site posted "Let's all buy xyz song" this week to get in the billboard top 10, it couldn't happen?

I think it's very possible. I'm sure there are better known bands - but certainly not Top-10 bands who have 1000-2000 fans on the internet that would pay $.99 to see their fav band at #1 in the national rankings.

1500 sales in one week is within reach. Frankly, if I were an artist, i'd probably just drop $1500 on iTunes music store myself to see my band at #1.

arn


This is allready a VERY old idea. I live in Holland and here it's "normal" that an artist goes to a bank and says lend me $200.000 and ill get a No1 hit. ill pay you back. several artists have gotten their no1 hit that way. just buy up all the records available. It sucks, I know but it works.

neier
Jul 22, 2003, 08:46 AM
Second Hand News

from the Fleetwood Mac: Rumours album??

Who's with me?!?? :D

Steamboatwillie
Jul 22, 2003, 10:03 AM
Originally posted by neier
Second Hand News

from the Fleetwood Mac: Rumours album??

Who's with me?!?? :D

Brilliant. :)

Doctor Q
Jul 22, 2003, 02:20 PM
Originally posted by neier
Second Hand News

from the Fleetwood Mac: Rumours album??

Who's with me?!??That is absolutely the most clever post I've seen in MacRumors this year!! And it's only your 6th post ever! Way to go, neier!