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MacRumors
Jul 22, 2003, 02:03 PM
Macnews.net.tc (http://macintosh.fryke.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST&f=10&t=155) echos some persisting rumors and fills out some details about Apple's timeline (re Powerbooks and iBooks) -- according to their source.

According to the site, Powerbooks will come in at 1.25 and 1.33GHz - in line with previous rumors, with possibily one more G4 revision before the Powerbooks get the G5.



Mudbug
Jul 22, 2003, 02:09 PM
While this seems to make sense to me, I wonder why they didn't just do it at MWCE. Seems to me they have an established track record of "here it is" and "you can get one later" working for them already.

chazmox
Jul 22, 2003, 02:11 PM
I read this article and it makes sense, although I sometimes wonder how many sources in the rumor community are other rumor sites!

I know there are big lovers of the iBook - I have never been one of them; however, I am not saying that I dislike them either. I think they definitely have their place in the line up - not just in processor power, but also in case style ( this in itself is a nice addition to the line ) and feature set.

I can see Apple's conundrum, especially if the IBM's G3 keeps advancing faster than Mot's G4 - but I hope they keep the book in some capacity.

Although, I've always questioned the need for the 14 inch - please don't spam, it's just MHO.

PS. When I say that I am not a lover of the iBook, I am not trying to dis it, I am only contrasting myself from those who DO love it.

Ambrose Chapel
Jul 22, 2003, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by Mudbug
While this seems to make sense to me, I wonder why they didn't just do it at MWCE. Seems to me they have an established track record of "here it is" and "you can get one later" working for them already.

I think that since the new iMac was originally debuted and had all those delays, all the consumer Macs have shipped immediately on announcement.

I expect they will wait until the G5s are shipping at the end of August, then announce updates to other products.

macphisto
Jul 22, 2003, 02:15 PM
When? I think that this is question that is lingering in everyone's minds. Besides, how long has it been since the Tibook was updated?

Exactly.

crenz
Jul 22, 2003, 02:26 PM
I wonder whether they are going to update the PowerMac G4s as well... it would only be a marginally higher speed, but maybe using the 7457 would make them a bit more quiet.

CmdrLaForge
Jul 22, 2003, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by macphisto
When? I think that this is question that is lingering in everyone's minds. Besides, how long has it been since the Tibook was updated?

Exactly.

Right

bobindashadows
Jul 22, 2003, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by Macrumors
MacNews.net.tc also notes that G5 PowerMacs may see bumps by Jan/Feb 2004

We're already making G5 predictions, and they haven't even shipped yet :D

The article is pretty cool. I never really liked the 14" iBook... now it seems to overlap w/ the 12" PowerBook.

bobindashadows
Jul 22, 2003, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by crenz
I wonder whether they are going to update the PowerMac G4s as well... it would only be a marginally higher speed, but maybe using the 7457 would make them a bit more quiet.
Highly, highly doubted. The PowerMac G4s have all but disappeared from the site, I believe they are only there in "Server PowerMacs".... you can buy that single 1.25, but it's not advertised on the site or anything. Perhaps they'll sell a (relatively) crappy G4 for the lower price point, since the lowest you can configure a G5 is like 1650.

iJon
Jul 22, 2003, 02:57 PM
sounds all good to me. i just hope apple gets powerbooks out soon, kids are ready for college, and mom and dad want to prep them up for the trip.

iJon

RHutch
Jul 22, 2003, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by bobindashadows
Highly, highly doubted. The PowerMac G4s have all but disappeared from the site, I believe they are only there in "Server PowerMacs".... you can buy that single 1.25, but it's not advertised on the site or anything. Perhaps they'll sell a (relatively) crappy G4 for the lower price point, since the lowest you can configure a G5 is like 1650.

They are not only selling single 1.25's. There are two versions of the single proc 1.25 and one of the dual proc. They range in price from $1299 to $3274. These are the OS9 bootable machines.

And they are right there on Apple's store page:

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/70707/wo/sI1y5mST2unM2vnX6dRxrvVL8y6/0.0.7.1.0.5.21.1.8.1.0.0.0.1.0

I'm not saying that there will be any G4 updates, but I wanted to set the facts straight on this.

dongmin
Jul 22, 2003, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by bobindashadows
We're already making G5 predictions, and they haven't even shipped yet :D

The article is pretty cool. I never really liked the 14" iBook... now it seems to overlap w/ the 12" PowerBook.

Well the Power Mac G5 update in Jan/Feb is a no-brainer since Steve Jobs has already said that it'll go to 3 ghz within one year. So, assuming that it won't jump 1 ghz in one revision, we can expect an update 6 months from now.

I think as soon as Apple ships it's first 7457 machine, which should be a PowerBook, it'll be clear what kind of specs the iMacs and eMacs will get.

Also, with rumors that the 7457 is significantly cheaper and cooler than the 7455 it replaces, we might yet see a G4 iBook. Or maybe this will happen when the PBs finally get a G5.

Within 6 months, we should see something like this:

iBook G3 1.0 ghz: $999
iBook G3 1.2 ghz: $1299
PowerBook G4 12" 1.1 ghz: $1599
PowerBook G4 15" 1.2 ghz: $1999
PowerBook G4 15" 1.3 ghz: $2499
PowerBook G4 17" 1.3 ghz: $2999

Abstract
Jul 22, 2003, 03:34 PM
Lets just hope that none of the laptops are crippled. As long as the laptops are updated to a G4 1.25GHz model, I'll be happy. No, it doesn't make up for the 9 months or so that the 15" PB has been left untouched by Apple, but 1.25GHz is fast. Really. I'd like a 7457, and I'm sure that this is what is causing the long delay between updates (yes, I know that the 7457s are out already), but a 1.25GHz G4 is fine too.

And if those rumours of Apple ditching the iBook line are true, I'll be scrounging for a 900MHz model iBook on eBay or something, or maybe I'll settle for a 12" PB and pay a bit more. Yes, I said "settle". I don't think the casing will survive my trip from Canada to Australia, and several years of travelling to and from a research lab or hospital or whatever, but if that's my only choice, then :mad:. I'm already rough with my possessions as it is. At least make this update a good one, including to those who want an iBook but won't be able to get one. :(

Damn you, Jobs. You win this time, but next time.......ohhhhh next time.............I'll get you.

kmac51
Jul 22, 2003, 04:51 PM
I went ahead and ordered a 1 Ghz 15" with an iPod thru the education store yesterday (7/22/03). My status is on or before 7/24 for the PBook and on or before 7/28 for the iPod.

Now I can't wait for the thing to get here. It'll be atleast 1 1/2 time my 400 Pbook!!!! Yea!

Kmac :p

Lyle
Jul 22, 2003, 05:29 PM
Originally posted by kmac51
I went ahead and ordered a 1 Ghz 15" with an iPod thru the education store yesterday...Yep, I placed my order for the 1GHz TiBook today too. In doing so, I hereby reclaim my free time from continuously checking the rumor boards to see if there are any new predictions about when the updated PowerBook(s) will appear. ;)

brig
Jul 22, 2003, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by iJon
sounds all good to me. i just hope apple gets powerbooks out soon, kids are ready for college, and mom and dad want to prep them up for the trip.

iJon

Too late for the college crowd. I'd say 60% of us have bought our laptops. I caved in and bought a 12" (with a TON of extras such as monitor, ipod, speakers, and whatnot). All but one of my friend shave their dells. Apple missed the boat this year, hopefully next year they get it.

Bunzi2k4
Jul 22, 2003, 06:16 PM
yea i do agree its too late for laptops even if they upgraded right now for the students. i got a 12 inch not too long ago too. besides, there are always upgrades you can get for older laptops.

DrGonzo
Jul 22, 2003, 08:27 PM
I'm a student, waiting to buy a laptop, but they're not to late. If it's Oct. or Nov. then it will be too late for this semester. I find it laughable that most of you students think you need a laptop immediately.

Wonder Boy
Jul 22, 2003, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by dongmin
iBook G3 1.0 ghz: $999
iBook G3 1.2 ghz: $1299
PowerBook G4 12" 1.1 ghz: $1599
PowerBook G4 15" 1.2 ghz: $1999
PowerBook G4 15" 1.3 ghz: $2499
PowerBook G4 17" 1.3 ghz: $2999


ri·dic·u·lous. There is no way I'd pay those prices for any of those.

GregA
Jul 22, 2003, 08:45 PM
While the G5 is significantly faster than the G4 - the speed tests on the CPUs themselves didn't show as big a difference.

Is it feasible that the G4-7457 could be released with a faster FSB and other system technologies?

MrMacMan
Jul 22, 2003, 09:43 PM
Originally posted by Wonder Boy
ri·dic·u·lous. There is no way I'd pay those prices for any of those.
Yeah that is waaayy too expensive.

I hope they update the whole product line soon, because it really is never too soon.

PowerBook User
Jul 22, 2003, 10:11 PM
I think 1.25 GHz and 1.33 GHz 7457 G4's would be good in the PowerBooks, iMacs, and eMacs. That would be a decent speed increase. I don't think Apple should get rid of the iBooks, though. They sell great and it's nice having a choice among several laptops.

plinkoman
Jul 22, 2003, 10:13 PM
getting rid of the 14" ibook would be stupid, that means a person who wants a bigger screen needs to pay twice as much for a bigger screen, and thats not an exagguration either, ibook 12" starts at 1000 and pb15 starts at 2000.

DHagan4755
Jul 22, 2003, 10:29 PM
I'm sick of waiting!

capitalhood
Jul 22, 2003, 10:50 PM
hey anyone know if the new g4 will be able to go above 1.42 ghz? it should be able to right, since it will be 130 nanometer instead of 180 (which the p3 is as well and it also tops out at 1.4 ghz) i mean i dont know too much on the subject but shouldn't it get much higher speeds on 130 nanometer tech?

MattG
Jul 22, 2003, 11:19 PM
Originally posted by Wonder Boy
ri·dic·u·lous. There is no way I'd pay those prices for any of those. I really hope they're less than that. According to an article that I read earlier, Moto is selling the 7457 chips to Apple at a much better price than they usually do (something like 25% less?). Let's hope this is reflected in the final price we pay.

tazo
Jul 22, 2003, 11:24 PM
Originally posted by Macrumors
Macnews.net.tc (http://macintosh.fryke.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST&f=10&t=155) echos some persisting rumors and fills out some details about Apple's timeline (re Powerbooks and iBooks) -- according to their source.

According to the site, Powerbooks will come in at 1.25 and 1.33GHz - in line with previous rumors, with possibily one more G4 revision before the Powerbooks get the G5.

I am just hoping for a 12'' pb as cheap as possible :) hopefully by the time i am ready to buy...

tizza
Jul 22, 2003, 11:27 PM
Let's hope the new 12'' has DVI out too. There's times I'd like to use it on my desk with a larger montior so DVI would be great.

Mokona
Jul 23, 2003, 04:35 AM
Originally posted by tizza
Let's hope the new 12'' has DVI out too. There's times I'd like to use it on my desk with a larger montior so DVI would be great. Isnt there a DVI adapter already out? Just attach it to your monitor, it's not like you're taking it with you...

chazmox
Jul 23, 2003, 08:09 AM
There is an adaptor ( I think it's $300 ) but your taking a VGA source ( analog ) and converting it too a DVI. Not exactly direct digital video.

I doubt we'll see DVI on an updated 12 PB, even though if it did have this, L3 cache, and a faster processor is would be a real contender for me. The main reason we will not see DVI is that there is just no room for it either externally or internally. The other reason I do not believe we will see it is that it would require a mold change for the housing. This would be costly... All the other upgrades mentioned are direct drop in components or small motherboard changes.

kmac51
Jul 23, 2003, 08:16 AM
I got an email today at 205 AM that says my new Pbook 1 Ghz 15" shipped today (7/23). They must be working at all hours of the day to get these out! Yea, I can't wait now.

EDIT: It shipped from Taiwan today, but yesterday, here. :cool:

Kmac :D

Lanbrown
Jul 23, 2003, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by Mudbug
While this seems to make sense to me, I wonder why they didn't just do it at MWCE. Seems to me they have an established track record of "here it is" and "you can get one later" working for them already.

Unfortunately if you announce something way before it is ready, you build up demand and sales of existing products suffer. While they have a track record of doing this, they usually want to be able to start selling them shortly after the announcement. The 17" PB had production problems. If it weren't for that, they would have been in the hands of customers long before they were. If they said new iMac, PV, iBooks, etc are all coming with the 7457 processor and two months later they still haven't arrived, sales of the current products would be dismal. If you announce them and release them a month later, then sales were not hit as hard.

Lanbrown
Jul 23, 2003, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by Ambrose Chapel
I think that since the new iMac was originally debuted and had all those delays, all the consumer Macs have shipped immediately on announcement.

I expect they will wait until the G5s are shipping at the end of August, then announce updates to other products.

The G5 should have no bearing on the other products. When they are ready, they need to be announced and released. If that means that an iMac runs at 1.3GHz or faster and beats the current PM, then so be it. The PM is no longer the top of the line and does not need to be protected in anyway. You have students going back to school and if you release them too late, they may have already purchased their system, and it may not have been from Apple. How many people are waiting for Apple to update their line with faster processors? From what I have seen, quite a few on this site and imagine all that are not here. I know several that are waiting for the faster systems. They can afford to wait, can Apple though? Some or thinking of a peecee, if Apple had faster systems out, they would sway some to stay or switch.

Lanbrown
Jul 23, 2003, 11:43 AM
Originally posted by bobindashadows
Highly, highly doubted. The PowerMac G4s have all but disappeared from the site, I believe they are only there in "Server PowerMacs".... you can buy that single 1.25, but it's not advertised on the site or anything. Perhaps they'll sell a (relatively) crappy G4 for the lower price point, since the lowest you can configure a G5 is like 1650.

Here you go:

http://www.apple.com/hardware/powermacg4/

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/72303/wo/IW7Zmkzz1VO82xP5BMq144cPsld/0.0.7.1.0.5.21.1.8.1.0.0.0.1.0

Bunzi2k4
Jul 23, 2003, 01:28 PM
yea wasn't there a rumor going around that apple would make a cheap g4? something small and good for switchers?

kmac51
Jul 23, 2003, 01:32 PM
I would like to see something smaller for a business to use. An everyday business that just needs the CPU, not the monitor attached. When the new G5s came out, I looked at the price point and figured this would be coming. At 1999 for starters, no business can justify that thing for office work. The imac is not for businesses with monitors sitting everywhere. We buy Dells for 800 dollars that meet our requirements. I would love for Apple to the same for the business world. I think it hurts them since they don't.

Kmac

capitalhood
Jul 23, 2003, 02:08 PM
anybody know if the 7457 is faster than the 7455 since the 7457 is on 130 nanometer?

daveL
Jul 23, 2003, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by capitalhood
anybody know if the 7457 is faster than the 7455 since the 7457 is on 130 nanometer?
This info has been posted before and is readily available, but ...

The 7457 has double (512k) the L2 cache compared to the 7455. Moto states that a 1.3GHz 7457 is 40% faster than a 1GHz 7455. Notice that that exceeds the pure clock increase by 10%.

HTH

Zuckuss
Jul 23, 2003, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by brig
Too late for the college crowd. I'd say 60% of us have bought our laptops. I caved in and bought a 12" (with a TON of extras such as monitor, ipod, speakers, and whatnot). All but one of my friend shave their dells. Apple missed the boat this year, hopefully next year they get it.

Not me, I'm not giving up to Dell or even titanium. I'm holding on for a 15" al p-book, so help me Apple. As a graphic design major (and total nerd) I must have something more up to date than the ti. Granted the price reductions are tempting, but the fact that they are working on several of you just means that I'm closer to a new p-book. Unfortunately, I may be heading to school computer-less for a little while. :(

Bunzi2k4
Jul 23, 2003, 06:32 PM
yea but it'll be worth the wait!

eromitlab
Jul 23, 2003, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by Zuckuss
Not me, I'm not giving up to Dell or even titanium. I'm holding on for a 15" al p-book, so help me Apple. As a graphic design major (and total nerd) I must have something more up to date than the ti. Granted the price reductions are tempting, but the fact that they are working on several of you just means that I'm closer to a new p-book. Unfortunately, I may be heading to school computer-less for a little while. :(

werd... but, it's gonna be painful not to buy a TiBook tomorrow when I go to get my iPod after work... the wife has made it clear she wants her own mac, so it's like I have the perfect excuse to buy a new toy (although I'm thinking of selling the iMac for a 17" PB so my work-machine is portable too...)!!

Phil Of Mac
Jul 23, 2003, 10:36 PM
Originally posted by Zuckuss
Not me, I'm not giving up to Dell or even titanium. I'm holding on for a 15" al p-book, so help me Apple. As a graphic design major (and total nerd) I must have something more up to date than the ti. Granted the price reductions are tempting, but the fact that they are working on several of you just means that I'm closer to a new p-book. Unfortunately, I may be heading to school computer-less for a little while. :(

I'm in the same boat. Except I'm not a graphic design major.

I WILL buy the next 15" PowerBook, and if I have to wait too long for it, I WILL be angry. My refurbished iMac 400 with a bad hard drive won't last much longer!

kangaroo
Jul 23, 2003, 11:27 PM
Originally posted by Lanbrown
The G5 should have no bearing on the other products. When they are ready, they need to be announced and released. ...

I partially disagree. Perhaps, with a relatively perfect product lineup it should have no bearing on the other products but Apple's machine lineup is, unfortunately, quite flawed. The G5 aside, all the machines are overpriced and underpowered.

The G5PM, on the other hand, although <probably> overpriced is the first Mac, in a while, that's overpowered for what most people will use them for. The G5, surrounded by an underpowered lineup, becomes a black hole--drawing in buyers, high and low who would otherwise spend more modestly. Improve the surrounding lineup and the G5 becomes less attractive. So, Apple will ride this wave for as long as they can.