PC owners are dumb

[mac15]

I went to a friends place last week and I showed the new imac I was going to get and he laughed and said wow and dome with ears.
Then I thought you have the basicaly the same thing but a beige box with ears

I have no ending to this story but PC owners suck

[Hemingray]

Such is life... although imagine how I felt when I helped my friend buy a PC off of eBay for $500 that toasts my G4 400 that I bought for $3000... his computer gets insane FPS in Q3A, and I'm stuck at 25 or something... with MAP lighting and low texture! It's ridiculous! Damn Rage128... oohh I'm REALLY itching to buy a G5. Now if only they'd come out with one. :rolleyes:

[Mindtrics]

Originally posted by Hemingray
his computer gets insane FPS in Q3A, and I'm stuck at 25 or something... with MAP lighting and low texture!

I've always wondered how a Mac would do in q3(with an ATI Rage card). Thats just crazy that your only getting 25 fps, I would personally be pulling my hair out if I was stuck with that.

I feel for ya man, I too am waiting on that PowerMac g5 to be released, possibly too save us both.

[LethalWolfe]

1. I think dumb people make broad generalizations.

2. A G5 w/a Rage 128 won't get you anymore FPS in Q3A
2a. Spring for a better vid card if you want better gaming
performance
2b. Unless something drastically changes Macs will never be
the gaming rigs PCs are.


Lethal

[Beej]

Yeah fork out the bucks for a cheap PC GF2 MX. It'll double your performance in games.

[krossfyter]

at the risk of sounding stupid or irrevrant.... why the hell hasnt apple fixed this gaming problem? i mean cant they hook up a good vid card in thier comps or something? or is the problem comming from somewhere else?

[blakespot]

Originally posted by LethalWolfe
1. I think dumb people make broad generalizations.

2. A G5 w/a Rage 128 won't get you anymore FPS in Q3A
2a. Spring for a better vid card if you want better gaming
performance
2b. Unless something drastically changes Macs will never be
the gaming rigs PCs are.

Lethal
When OmniGroup ported "Giants: Citizen Kabuto" (http://www.omnigroup.com/games/giants/) to the Mac, they made it multithreaded so that it would take advantage of dual processors. As they put it:

This is the only version of Giants that can use multiple processors. We actually added multi-processing support while we were doing the port, as well as doing various optimizations on the graphics routines (and changing the graphics library from Direct3D to OpenGL). The end result is we're getting the same framerates on our Macintosh dual 500 MHz G4s with a GeForce 2 on an AGP 2x bus as we do on a brand-new, top of the line Wintel AMD 1.3 GHz Ahtlon with a GeForce 3 on an AGP 4x bus and DDR RAM [the fastest PC at the time of the benchmark].

That's faster gameplay on massively less video hardware. Imagine what that game looks like on my dual G4 800 w/ GeForce 3. So...let's not assume Macs are bad at gaming.


blakespot

[PCUser]

I'd like to stand up for the intelligent PC owners (since I consider myself one). Not all of us dismiss Macs as sucking.


OpenGL beats DirectX. When I play Descent3 in Windows, OpenGL gets at the LEAST 50 more fps in benchmark (running the --timetest secret2.dem switch). OpenGL gets over 225, and Directx gets around 175 (1024x768x32, highest detail settings).

Also, a multi-threaded game will generally get better perfomance then a single-threaded one... simply because it can do more at the same time... the processor in a single-thread situation has to do the same work as two processors.

What it says is that games should be better optimized.

[Hemingray]

Originally posted by Beej
Yeah fork out the bucks for a cheap PC GF2 MX. It'll double your performance in games.

I would love to do that, but something sticks out in my head about limitations on the G4 Yikes! motherboard that won't allow me to do that. Maybe I'm wrong? But I'm pretty sure it just wouldn't be worth it at this point. I'm getting by in Quake, I just wish it was a little faster. :)

[Taft]

I don't think so. Not unless you bought a hugely expensive monitor with it or beefed up the specs directly from the Apple store. Either way it would've been your own mistake.

Price points on the Apple pro lines generally hover around 1500, 2500, and 3500 (give or take $100). The 400MHz G4 has never been the top of the line Mac pro desktop. As I recall there was a snaffu around the original release of the G4s (which started out at 350, 400, and 450 MHz). I believe shortly after that they were bumped up to 400, 450 and 500.

I won't dispute the general suckiness of the rage 128. However, I just replaced mine with a Radeon with 32 MB and am getting way better framerates at way higher detail in Black and White. My G4 400 is more than enough computer to handle the game.

Also, I think some of the blame for crappy framerates can be put on the people porting the games. Some companies (like Omnigroup) are able to get great framerates out of games. Others aren't. Why? I'd put my money on a bad job of porting.

Matthew

[eyelikeart]

I hate to say that in general PC owners are just dumb....mainly because most just don't understand...

my step-dad is a tech working for the USDA...he works on all PC...goes to Windoze training....has certifications out of the @ss....blah blah blah...

and he honestly has the utmost respect for me and what I can do with a Macintosh...he's even stuck up for my/our case when he was telling his coworkers about the "Titanium Laptop" I had just received...the rest made fun and laughed...but he better...he he he...:p

the point is....there are many closed-minded people who will just write of the Macintosh cause without blinking and eye....and there are some (very few) who will sit and listen and understand where we are coming from...

[jefhatfield]

macs are great but sometimes mac users get a little "too excited" about their gear and make the mac world of users look like some over zealous cult

...thus my signature;)

[PCUser]

If the numbers of computer users using PC's are right... most people use PC's.

If the numbers of IQ scores are correct (96% of scores are average or less), most people are idiots.

It's only understandable that a large percent of the populace who happen to use PC's will be idiots about it.

However, since I technically am a PC user and know quite a bit about computers, I do not wish to be lumped into the group of 'PC users' who are idiots and use Windows.

[jefhatfield]

i have definitely seen a lot of intelligent pc-only users who, for one reason or another, just think the mac is not for them

[Hemingray]

Originally posted by mrtrumbe
I don't think so. Not unless you bought a hugely expensive monitor with it or beefed up the specs directly from the Apple store. Either way it would've been your own mistake.

Well let's see now. I bought the first model G4 400 (PCI graphics) for $1599. Added a Zip drive for $100. Added a SCSI card w/adapter for $50. Upped the RAM to 256 for $100?. Upped the 10gig drive to a 20gig drive for $150? Upgraded CD-ROM to DVD-ROM for $200? Add a 17" Studio Display for $500. There's about an extra $1100 right there.

So $2700. MY BAD. Now add in the tax and shipping I ended up paying, plus the INTEREST on my loan, and it comes out WELL over $3,000.

Sorry, there's no mistakes involved. That was (and still is) the going price for a PowerMac with somewhat decent specs. I'd like to see you work with a G4 400 PCI with original specs in a graphic design environment. Then you can tell me I made a mistake.

[eyelikeart]

since the average person has an IQ between 70-130 (95%, in fact, according to The Ultimate IQ Test (http://www.emode.com/jumpto?test=uiqogt&c=5475))...it makes sense of the 5% of computer users to be on Mac....he he he...

all kidding aside...jef has a point...we can be a bit over-zealous...

I mean...damn...we're the underdogs in the industry...it really shows why many Mac users get defensive when it comes to the classic flamewar of who's got better equipment...

out of curiosity....who here has taken an IQ test at all?! :p

[Backtothemac]

Me, high enough that people say BS when they hear the score.

[Smasher]

Originally posted by PCUser
If the numbers of IQ scores are correct (96% of scores are average or less), most people are idiots.


Hello? How are 96% of scores at or below average?

And if you mean 96% of people have an IQ of less than 100, I seriously doubt that number (which came from...where?) is accurate.

[mischief]

He neglected to mention the demographic.

96% of AMERICANS are at or below the 100 point average for the species.

So not PEOPLE but AMERICANS are idiots.

Personally I think it's just that Americans have let their brains atrophy for lack of stimulus. A whole county of "Gammas". Ick.

[mischief]

By Mental Age measure I get up around 200. :D


Proof that one can be 25 with a mental age of 50 and still enjoy poop jokes like a 5 year old.;)

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by mischief
He neglected to mention the demographic.

96% of AMERICANS are at or below the 100 point average for the species.

So not PEOPLE but AMERICANS are idiots.

We're did this info come from? Show me a source.:rolleyes:

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by mischief
By Mental Age measure I get up around 200. :D


Proof that one can be 25 with a mental age of 50 and still enjoy poop jokes like a 5 year old.;)

poop jokes...he he he.....only from mischief! :p

mine is 142....at least I was above average....

[Weaky]

On a PC, you can get a system with a crappy CRT display and a lot of people will be happy with it, on a mac, you HAVE to pay for a LCD display on an "entry-level" computer and get a screen with 50ms response time, so no matter how fast is the computer, you can't play most games and benefit of the 1265 fps you get (by the way, the LCD makes the "entry-level" computer a slow computer with a pro-level price). The other option is to get an expensive PowerMac, buy a CRT and an adapter because you have a proprietary connector...
Many other details why PC users are not that stupid are, for example: they can get a mouse with a scroll wheel without having to buy another one.etc etc....

I'm getting sick of their new "features" that you have to afford even if they don't suit your needs.
Sure, I consider Apple one of the most innovative company out there but they must be realitic.. I love OS X, I love the mac's look... but at what price? It's not about the market share (but it could be an issue) I'ts about the fact that you can get a PC that is twice as fast for half the price..

[Taft]

Originally posted by Hemingray
Sorry, there's no mistakes involved. That was (and still is) the going price for a PowerMac with somewhat decent specs. I'd like to see you work with a G4 400 PCI with original specs in a graphic design environment. Then you can tell me I made a mistake.

Your right, upgrading your machine was not a mistake. Your mistake was buying the upgrades from Apple. Some of those you might not have had a choice (A zip drive or DVD player might fall under those categories--though did you *need* a DVD player in a graphics environmet? Maybe you did, but maybe you just wanted to watch DVDs). Others, you certainly do have a choice (the monitor for instance).

And really my original objection (not that I vocalized all that well) is that your price comparison to a $500 eBay find is a bit skewed. *Especially* if you are talking about a machine you've upgraded to be suitable for a graphics environment and if bought the machines in completely different time periods. As an example, I assume you require a better monitor than a default monitor included with a Gateway. And a Gateway machine bought at the same time as your G4 and then resold over eBay is sure to be at a *huge* discount--plus, no warranty (which your Mac undoubtedly came with).

I'm not trying to be a Mac zealot. I'm just saying that there are plenty of ways to save money when buying a Mac (I have). Also, comparing prices vs. performance between the offereings of two different companies in the same time period is hard enough. Comparing computers from two different time period is next to impossible. Market conditions have changed, resale value is obviously lower (check out the prices of older Mac models on eBay), and the problems with judging performance still exist in this scenario.

I'll face facts: PCs tend to be cheaper than equivalent Macs. Its true. However, your comparison has some problems.

Matthew

[Taft]

Originally posted by Weaky
It's not about the market share (but it could be an issue) I'ts about the fact that you can get a PC that is twice as fast for half the price..

If you would have said, you can get a faster PC for less money, I wouldn't have a problem. This statement is just friggin' rediculous.

Fact is, Apple doesn't have a computer with a comparible speed to the fastest Intel or AMD computer. However those computers that are faster than the fastest Mac are priced higher. This is at least true when buying from major computer manufacturors that offer prebuilt, designed computers with service and a warranty. Building your own computer really isn't comparible to a Mac.

I'm not deluding myself as to the speed of Macs compared to PCs, nor about the price of Macs being overall a bit higher than that of comparable PCs. Not maybe you should use that ability to reason most humans have to make intelligent statements about the price/performance ratio of Macs.

Matthew

[mischief]

PC's are like SUV's.

Macs are like Peterbuilts.

[Taft]

Am I the only person 'round these parts that has never had a IQ test?

I feel so ordinary...almost PC-ish.

Matthew

[edesignuk]

You can't say 'PC owners suck'! :mad:
I use a PC all the time, as well as my mac, they both have their advantages.
You could not possibly argue that Mac's beat PC's for compatibility, there is soooooo much software and hardware out for them in comparison to the mac, don't get me wrong, Mac's RoCk, but PC's have their place too.
Personally, I could not get along without a PC...erm...or my mac!
What can I say, I love both! :D

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by blakespot
That's faster gameplay on massively less video hardware. Imagine what that game looks like on my dual G4 800 w/ GeForce 3. So...let's not assume Macs are bad at gaming.
blakespot

I never meant to mean that Macs are bad at gaming, only that PCs are better. Honestly, if someone walked up to you and said, "I want to buy a computer just to game with. Which platform is better for gaming PC or Mac?" There's no way you could say Mac. And until more developers start making games for the Mac then that's never gonna change.


Lethal

[Vilacr]

I agree with verbose. I like them both. PC's are good for somethings while macs are good for others.

[Hemingray]

Originally posted by mrtrumbe
I'll face facts: PCs tend to be cheaper than equivalent Macs. Its true. However, your comparison has some problems.

You're right, my comparison is flawed. I paid beacoup bucks back when my G4 was "top of the line" and yet my friend bought a PC that was "top of the line" then but isn't now, so he got it for a lot less.

I guess my point was the fact that a PC that was produced back then still cranks out Q3A a LOT faster than my G4 which was still probably about 1.5 times the amount of that PC when it was new, and yet the graphics card sucks.

The new graphics cards in the PowerMacs seem to be pretty powerful, which means whenever I upgrade to a new computer some day (SOME DAY :D ), Q3A will no longer be a problem so I'll have to find something else to bitch about! Hehe. :p

[Weaky]

My opinion is not that PC's are better in anything... far from that, the mac architecture is better in every way, there is no IRQ limits, remember the PC 640k memory limit? and then the 1024k? Windows registry, dll's etc... The PC is in fact a bunch of patches to overcome many limits. Macs have no reasons to be bad gaming machines, especially because they have the same video chips... The problem is what you have to buy to get a decent Mac... This is simply to represent the reasons why the mass won't move to the Mac, Apple must make a monitorless iMac and a scrollwheel mouse.. etc

[Hemingray]

Originally posted by Weaky
Apple must make a monitorless iMac and a scrollwheel mouse.. etc

Monitorless iMac? :confused: How do you figure that one?

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by Hemingray


Monitorless iMac? :confused: How do you figure that one?

well now it would be considered a display-less iMac....he he he

[mcrain]

PC users aren't dumber than Mac users. That kind of statement just shows your own ignorance. Maybe we PC users made a poor decision at some point or for whatever reason prefer PC's, but that is not a very good indicator of intelligence. I for one can say pretty confidently that almost all of the bell curve is behind me, and I have a PC. (Then again, maybe the statement is true considering I'm going to buy a mac soon...??)

[mischief]

If any of you remember the "work" of BF Skinner you may find this amusing.

There were once experiments done for psych studies in which cats (and various other furry creatures) were put into kennels with electrified grids in the floor. The cats would be zapped under a variety of conditions and for any or no reason in a variety of structured tests.

The results were predictably obvious:

The cats exhibited agression and anxiety. Depending on exactly what the methodology was for a particular cat it occasionally became impossible for the animals to function without getting zapped every now and then.

This is how I see M$'s OS. Their users aren't less intelligent......just more conditioned. They can't fuction without the looming BSOD.

[mcrain]

Originally posted by mischief
This is how I see M$'s OS. Their users aren't less intelligent......just more conditioned. They can't fuction without the looming BSOD.

Oh my goodness. Everything is suddenly clear. Only question is what in the blue hell is a BSOD?

[mischief]

Originally posted by mcrain


Oh my goodness. Everything is suddenly clear. Only question is what in the blue hell is a BSOD?

Ironic wording there...:D It's: Blue Screen Of Death. A M$ core dump resulting in a blank blue screen and the need for a complete re-install.

[mcrain]

Oh good gracious, I know the blue screen of death, I just never had seen it as an acronym. BSOD... that's good.

So, anyone here want to buy my Compaq? It's a really crappy, looks terrible, has no firewire or ie3.b whatever, and crashes all the time? I'll part with it for a very reasonable price.

Wow, I'm over a hundred posts. Freaky.

[Rower_CPU]

Ahhhhh...the ubiquitous BSOD...floowed only in frequency by the "Three-finger-salute"!

I cringe when I recall my days troubleshooting my PC and it's random hardware and OS errors...
I think the cat example is very illustrative of the situation. People have been conditioned to put up with the hassles of Windows.
For example, if you have a single-speed bike, like a beach cruisier or BMX, that you ride all the time up this big hill, you would be used to pedalling your ass off or getting off to walk it up the hill. If no-one ever told you about multiple-speed bikes, you wouldn't know what you were missing. And if 95% of people used single-speed bikes and told you multiple-speed bikes weren't as good as single-speed bikes you would believe them and not get something else, even though in reality it would save you time and effort in trying to get up the hill...

[Sayer]

In this corner we have an old iMac running Mac OS 8.6 (yes yes, old news - but it really reinforces the point and its working just fine) and in the other corner Windoze 95 via Virtual PC (pretty much the same software-wise as a real PC).

Now imagine you are told to hook up a cell phone to the iMac because the phone line is down and we really need to use dialup software to talk to the Wells Fargo Business Gateway (bank account software for business, Windoze only of course).

Fine. We already have a DB9 - USB adaptor for other legacy reasons. Plug it in, plug in the Sprint PCS phone to DB9 cable. Open the Modem control panel and select the uConnect. Select the modem script for the cell phone previously installed (actually the only thing for the Sprint cell phone installed).

Open a PPP connection, bam it works. Took me longer to find the uConnect than anything else.

Now on to VPC. Well of course the Sprint phone has a ton of Windoze crapware to install (to make it work I guess) so it gets dumped in. Now VPC is told about the uConnect on COM Port 2 to keep the default modem setting intact. Big whoop. Not exactly obvious to most users and more of a hassle saver for later when the phone is working. Same principle as on the Mac side although the labels are more cryptic in Windoze. COM port? How about Serial Port or Modem Port? *sigh*

Now we need to get the Wells Fargo software, which uses a custom dialer, to "see" the Sprint phone/modem. Sorry that won't work. There is no Sprint modem script file for the custom dialer (I guess there is no modem scripts folder standard in Windoze 95?). Okay try to find a modem script, nope where would it be? Screw it. Get out the Sprint phone's User Guide book (first time!) and flip through. Ah gotta "add" the modem to Windoze, but what did I just install?

Okay do that. Wait... Wow it can't find the phone (even though its plugged in) so you have to select it from a list. Why is there an installer at all? I have to do everything. Wait... Okay its in there (I guess)? Go back to the Wells Fargo dialer. No dice. Still doesn't "see" the cell phone/modem and no modem script found. Nothing at all lists available hardware like on the Mac. Everything is a generic option for cryptic things that may/may not be there; COM 1...COM 4.

Now what? I make a new modem script entry. How? I open the Mac's modem script file and get the init string on the Mac side. How many people whould know this? Still won't work. Dig through the book looking for serial port settings (ah Even, 8 bit no parity, hardware flow control - totally opposite of what it was set for). Found this on the very last page, for techs quick reference I guess. Keep tweaking until the dialer itself dials up. Progress after 30 minutes of twidling!

Okay now it dials up. Oops! It won't actually connect the Wells Fargo sepcial crapware browser over the special "secure" dialup connection. More tweaking, still no dice.

Great.

45 minutes worth of Windoze hell and it still will not work! Perhaps cell phones are blocked by the secure dialup system? Perhaps its just not configured enough? No idea. Just times out.

Even worse the cell phone has its *own* dialup/ISP on the Windoze side that it defaults to, its not just another modem by default I guess. I am sure that costs a bunch extra on top of expensive emergency data-over-cell time we would be using. Time to go home, I tried and did more than the average mere mortal users could have done (esp. with the modem script and serial port settings which practically no one understands or is even aware of).

At least we can check email and use the web on the Mac while the phone line is fixed (thank you ScrewUSWest!), albeit slowly.

If this is what Windoze users deal with all the time, thank GOD I have been using Macs my entire computing life (after starting with an Apple IIe clone)!

[me hate windows]

Originally posted by Weaky
This is simply to represent the reasons why the mass won't move to the Mac, Apple must make a monitorless iMac and a scrollwheel mouse.. etc

Having a monitorless iMac defeats the purpose of it. The iMac is supposed to be an EASY TO USE, NO HASSLE SET UP COMPUTER.



DUH

[mischief]

Skinner also did electrified maze tests with rats. That would cover the above HW/SW/firmware chaos.

This way? (ZAP) Ouch! ........how about over here .........yeah I can smell the cheese now! (ZAP) Augh! **** the cheese! How do I get outa here!?!

[Hemingray]

Originally posted by Sayer
Now imagine you are told to hook up a cell phone to the iMac because the phone line is down and we really need to use dialup software to talk to the Wells Fargo Business Gateway (bank account software for business, Windoze only of course).

Wow, THAT is a pretty far-fetched scenario... :D

[alex_ant]

Originally posted by mischief
Proof that one can be 25 with a mental age of 50 and still enjoy poop jokes like a 5 year old.;)
Hahahaha... You said poop! :)

Alex

[Hemingray]

Originally posted by alex_ant

Hahahaha... You said poop! :)

Alex

I feel like I'm in an SNL Celebrity Jeopardy episode... :D

Alex Trebek: Let's see what our contestants wrote down. Marlin Brando, you chose to speak to a puppet in lieu of participating... maybe the PUPPET wrote down an answer. You wrote, "Poop". ... This must be a proud moment for you, Mr. Brando.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by Hemingray


I feel like I'm in an SNL Celebrity Jeopardy episode... :D

Alex Trebek: Let's see what our contestants wrote down. Marlin Brando, you chose to speak to a puppet in lieu of participating... maybe the PUPPET wrote down an answer. You wrote, "Poop". ... This must be a proud moment for you, Mr. Brando.

Sean Connery: I'll take "The Rapists" for 200.
Alex Trebek: That's "Therapists".

[jefhatfield]

i wonder what marilyn vos savant's iq is? and does she use a "stupid" pee cee or a "smart" mac?

for those of you who don't know, marilyn has the world's highest iq and has a nationally published question and answer column and this lady knows everything...what makes her more amazing is that she is self taught and she doesn't even have a college degree

[Taft]

Originally posted by jefhatfield

for those of you who don't know, marilyn has the world's highest iq and has a nationally published question and answer column and this lady knows everything...what makes her more amazing is that she is self taught and she doesn't even have a college degree

Well, she doesn't know everything....
http://www.wiskit.com/marilyn.html

Plus, there seems to be some controversy over Parade's claim that she has the highest IQ. I can't find it on Guiness' site.

Hmmmm....

Matthew

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by jefhatfield
i wonder what marilyn vos savant's iq is? and does she use a "stupid" pee cee or a "smart" mac?

for those of you who don't know, marilyn has the world's highest iq and has a nationally published question and answer column and this lady knows everything...what makes her more amazing is that she is self taught and she doesn't even have a college degree

well....I think this thread should be changed to "Windoze is Stupid" rather than the PC users being flamed....it's not their fault they are scared of Mac OS ;)

ps: Marilyn Vos Savant has been listed in the Guinness Book of World Records Hall of Fame for her IQ score of 228.

[jefhatfield]

any iq score over 200 is impossible to measure and is generally not considered standard

it has been suggested that, under the current tests available, the highest score out of a possible 200 is a 220 (kind of like those kids in school now who can score higher than a 4.0 gpa by taking advanced classes)...under that system, marilyn vos savant is a 218 (but the over 200 scores are just guessing)

the highest iq i have ever encountered was this man who had an iq of 188 and he was accepted to johns hopkins university right after he completed the 8th grade in middle school

as it turns out, he never went to college and he told me it was because his brain was so strong on the academic, but weak emotionally and in personal relationships

he told me, "everyone is given a hundred eggs in their basket by god, it is just how you spend them" he wasn't a jock even though he loved sports, he had a weight problem, he had cerebral palsy, he had his interpersonal relationship problems, but he was very smart

he told me he wished that he was more normal and well rounded

other very smart people i have met in my life seemed to have similar inbalances in their life which was counterproductive to their high intelligence

iq scores around 135 or so designates a gifted individual and genius is around 160 (in the test i took where i was 136) and i have seen genius pegged as low as 144 and as high as 180 but all these numbers are subjective at best...my sat scores at 1150 old sat, 1210 new sat, suggest my iq is lower, so in that case, i am more in the normal range

i went to a rural school where intelligence was not a priority among the students or the school system, so i grew up thinking i was really smart because i got great scores, but when i ventured into the "city" where the education was better, i felt like an idiot, not to mention i had no "street smarts"

in life, wisdom has the big payoffs and intelligence is only good for standardized tests

"a beautiful mind" was a great movie and the best portrait i have ever seen of a genius and there is really a fine line between madness and genius:p

[mischief]

On that (above) standardized test I'm a 131.

On Mental Age tests I'm @ 200%.

Kiersy personality test results: Rational/Architect (INTP).

There are WAY too many Psych tests out there.:D ;)

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by mischief
On that (above) standardized test I'm a 131.

On Mental Age tests I'm @ 200%.

Kiersy personality test results: Rational/Architect (INTP).

There are WAY too many Psych tests out there.:D ;)

i forgot my kiersy results but i was not a "thinker" type, but there was this one guy in our group that was characterized as a thinker who could never make decisions, and he used to always pause in mid sentence and disagree with everything but could never come to any decision himself

the funny thing is this guy became an mba but i would hate to see him in any leadership position where he would have to determine the greatest good for his department or company...he was the type who would not do something if it hurt anybody so he was not well suited for the job...he would let the ship sink with everyone on board if there were not enough life rafts to save everyone and if he ever got in the middle of the road in the path of an oncoming car, he would definitely be a goner...he also looked like a deer:p

[mischief]

I've applied my INTP personality to developing coping skills. My EMFJ wife has been a HUGE help.:D

Do a Sherlock for "Kiersey Personality Sorter" and see if you can find a college site (college+free). Neat stuff. :D

[jefhatfield]

i am a AMSW personality which translates to apple macintosh sometimes windows-user

my wife is a PMIB, power mac ibook-user

well, i gotta get back to WORK so i can pay the RENT