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shecky
Jul 22, 2003, 06:21 PM
it looks like in the same 3 week stretch of time I will be getting a new car & a new iPod - whats the best way to use the iPod thru my car stereo? The car is a 2003 Jetta Wolfsburg and the iPod will be a 15GB.

i have looked thru the forums and not really found a good answer for everything - i am looking for reccomendations on both input to the car stereo (iTrip? ??) that does not involve replacing anything since the car comes with a nice system, and reccomendations on some kind of mount/clamp/whatever

I am wondering how well it works (ie. how good the sound is) using the iTrip, especially on a VW as the antenna is on the roof and not line-of-sight to the iPod.

Thanks for any advice!

alia
Jul 22, 2003, 06:48 PM
Many people will say that the quality is not good using a cassette adapter, but that's what I use and it works great. I have the belkin car charger and I plug the cassette adapter into the minijack on the belkin charger and basically just leave it in my tape drive the whole time.

Then, when I want to play my ipod, I just connect it to the belkin charger and hit play. Viola!


Alia

rainman::|:|
Jul 22, 2003, 07:24 PM
Depends. If your stereo has RCA stereo jacks on the back (rare) or a minijack on the front (very rare), go with those, it's far and away the best. If not, get an iTrip when the new ones are released. I use mine all the time-- my stereo rejects all tape adaptors, and this sounds better anyway. It takes some time to get used to, and tweak, but after that it's a joy to use. Make sure you set the volume to the maximum level that there is no distortion at and remember it... it's somewhere between 50-70% for me. And you have to spend the time to find a good radio station that there's no noise on. Not trying to turn you off, just letting you know what to expect. Like i said, i always found tape decks to be subpar... Why have all this digital music if it sounds like a casette?

pnw

QCassidy352
Jul 22, 2003, 07:33 PM
I also use a cassette adapter for my ipod, and it works great. My uncle uses an irock (similar to the itrip I think) and that works great as well. But I honestly don't see any reason not to use the cassette adapter.

medea
Jul 22, 2003, 07:41 PM
well if your car comes with a cd player that lacks an aux jack then you would have to use a fm transmiter like the iTrip, but that is not your only option, you might want to check out the Transpod, it works like the iTrip but also functions as a car base and charge it at the same time.

edit>the pic below is of the cassete model but there is a FM model....

bennetsaysargh
Jul 22, 2003, 08:01 PM
i just gotta remind you that they delayed the iTrip (http://www.ipoding.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1357&mode=thread&order=0) for the 3Generation iPods. i would suggest a cassette adapter, seeing as radio ones aren't always the best around big cities with a lot of stations (like NYC) and places like that.

evolu
Jul 22, 2003, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by alia
Many people will say that the quality is not good using a cassette adapter, but that's what I use and it works great. I have the belkin car charger and I plug the cassette adapter into the minijack on the belkin charger and basically just leave it in my tape drive the whole time.

Then, when I want to play my ipod, I just connect it to the belkin charger and hit play. Viola!


Alia

Belikin's my pic. It uses the car's power to slightly amp up the signal out of the iPod. So you can blast the volume!

I use it with a cassette adaptor and have no complaints. And I work in music...

I know you don't want to replace your stereo, so this is for all the readers out there:

Use headphone ---> RCA monster cable, go from the iPod's headphone jack to RCA input on a high end reciever... (thank me later)

zimv20
Jul 22, 2003, 08:07 PM
i've found the dock to have better sound at its output than the headphone jack.

in my car (no standard line-ins, natch), i use a cassette adapter. it sounds better than i thought it would. an FM sol'n would be less messy, but, living in a city, i'm afraid there'd be too much interference.

not sure about the sound quality, either (in general, wires sound better than wireless, but then there's that dodgy "through the cassette head" stage).

pseudobrit
Jul 22, 2003, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by shecky
it looks like in the same 3 week stretch of time I will be getting a new car & a new iPod - whats the best way to use the iPod thru my car stereo? The car is a 2003 Jetta Wolfsburg and the iPod will be a 15GB.

Ah a fellow veedubber! I have a 2002 TDI Golf.

First thing: Don't worry about the antenna being on the roof -- you can't transmit outside the car anyway; the idea is for the iPod+transmitter to be as close to the unit as possible.

There are three ways to connect your iPod:

1 - iTrip or other FM transmitter. I have one and it's about as effective as the tape adapter. My iTrip transmits a high-pitched tone while it's on that can annoy you after awhile, plus it sucks up battery life.

2 - cassette adapter. I recommend this option for going cheap. The sound is just as good and it uses no extra power.

3 - connect it to the stereo directly via RCA jacks. You'll need an adapter from http://www.rcainput.com/, which currently runs $79.95. The one you need depends on whether you have the Monsoon or not. This adapter will allow you a direct connection with no power drain. If you have Monsoon, you need to tap into the amp at the CD changer harness in the trunk and run the wire up through the car.

zimv20
Jul 22, 2003, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by pseudobrit

3 - connect it to the stereo directly via RCA jacks. You'll need an adapter from http://www.rcainput.com/, which currently runs $79.95.

omg! i've been looking for something like that. i'd come to the conclusion i'd have to build my own. thanks for the link.

how do you switch between the ipod and CD changer?

NavyIntel007
Jul 22, 2003, 08:39 PM
I have a similar device for my sony Xplode stereo in my Ranger. It has two AUX inputs and a USB connection. Haven't used the USB connection yet but It's probably pretty good. I love this stereo even though it's a sony and I might get another Xplode for my next car.

chewbaccapits
Jul 22, 2003, 08:44 PM
I would say go for the cassette deal....Especially, if you live in a big city...I live in L.A. and I bought the iTrip, but, man, I have to get rid of it because it just does not work in L.A....We have way to many stations. The tape is just plug and go...Its bad enough that you need to fiddle with the song selection while your driving...Imagine trying to find stations as well?..You know...I'm going to sell it (iTrip)...

pseudobrit
Jul 22, 2003, 08:45 PM
Originally posted by zimv20
omg! i've been looking for something like that. i'd come to the conclusion i'd have to build my own. thanks for the link.

how do you switch between the ipod and CD changer?

The adapter fools the head unit into thinking it's the CD changer sending it the music.

It doesn't send a signal about the CD, obviously; it plays
CD 1, Track 1 and stays stuck at 00:00

To access this feature on the VW stereo, you press the CD button twice to switch to the "changer."

zimv20
Jul 22, 2003, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by pseudobrit

To access this feature on the VW stereo, you press the CD button twice to switch to the "changer."

just to confirm....

this unit sits between the CD changer and the head unit. it allows the changer and the aux input (ipod) to play w/o rewiring.* pushing the CD button on the head unit is how to toggle between them.

yes?

* beyond the initial install, of course

bennetsaysargh
Jul 22, 2003, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by NavyIntel007
I have a similar device for my sony Xplode stereo in my Ranger. It has two AUX inputs and a USB connection. Haven't used the USB connection yet but It's probably pretty good. I love this stereo even though it's a sony and I might get another Xplode for my next car.

could you use the audio out on the ipod with the USB2 to dock connecter?
im just curious.

pseudobrit
Jul 22, 2003, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by zimv20
just to confirm....

this unit sits between the CD changer and the head unit. it allows the changer and the aux input (ipod) to play w/o rewiring.* pushing the CD button on the head unit is how to toggle between them.

yes?

* beyond the initial install, of course

No, it "sits in place" of the CD changer, which is at the end of the chain.

It goes like this:

Changer--->Amp--->Head

You cannot use a changer with the RCA connector if you have the Monsoon.

If you push the CD button once it switches to the CD in the head; twice goes to the changer.

shecky
Jul 22, 2003, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by pseudobrit
3 - connect it to the stereo directly via RCA jacks. You'll need an adapter from http://www.rcainput.com/, which currently runs $79.95. The one you need depends on whether you have the Monsoon or not. This adapter will allow you a direct connection with no power drain. If you have Monsoon, you need to tap into the amp at the CD changer harness in the trunk and run the wire up through the car.

<----freakengruuven :)

i do indeed have the Monsoon sound (i would not normally have gotten it, but, it was part of the package deal i got. its just a more powerful stereo, right? or am i missing something by way of a difference b/w the monsoon & the factory deck?)

that adapter thing makes a lot of sense, however, this does involve running cables up to the front of the car and then...........?

leaving female RCA ends dangling? or is there some kind of hardwired holder thingie available?

Also the idea behind the Transpod that Medea posted is good, but 2 major issues: 1. its not out for the 3G ipod (yet) and 2. it would put a lot of strain on the lighter plug and be kinda flimsy as a connection.

as much as part of me wants to do this cheap, the other part of me is buying my 1st brand spanking new, really nice (to me anyway) car so i want to do it right.

zimv20
Jul 22, 2003, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by pseudobrit
No, it "sits in place" of the CD changer, which is at the end of the chain.

It goes like this:

Changer--->Amp--->Head

You cannot use a changer with the RCA connector if you have the Monsoon.

If you push the CD button once it switches to the CD in the head; twice goes to the changer.

ahhhhhh. i am now decidedly less excited. i have a '98 VW head unit w/ AM/FM/cassette and an added CD changer. i wouldn't want to lose the CD changer (christ, i just paid a crapload to replace it, too, after the original shorted out).

pseudobrit
Jul 22, 2003, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by shecky
<----freakengruuven :)

i do indeed have the Monsoon sound (i would not normally have gotten it, but, it was part of the package deal i got. its just a more powerful stereo, right? or am i missing something by way of a difference b/w the monsoon & the factory deck?)

Well, it's got subwoofers in the system and an external amp (it's in your trunk behind the wheel well hidden away in a panel). Overall, the sound is much much better. I had a loaner 2003 Jetta with the standard unit and I could tell the difference immediately.

that adapter thing makes a lot of sense, however, this does involve running cables up to the front of the car and then...........?

Not as difficult as you'd think. I figured it out pretty easily when I wired up my rear fog light with my European headlight switch.

leaving female RCA ends dangling? or is there some kind of hardwired holder thingie available?

Well, what you'd have to do is take the RCAs and hook them into a 1/8" minijack plug adapter with a long wire. Or adapt it down to a minijack and then run a long minijack wire out of that... you get the point. You have to go Radioshaking to make it work.

You would probably just leave the little miniplug wire and plug sticking out somewhere (ashtray or glovebox would be my choice; you can be creative).

Six
Jul 22, 2003, 09:48 PM
I know and love car stereos.. I bought a whole new CD deck when I bought my new ipod. Sony CDX-M630 was the deck I bought. It has an RCA input on the back, I just ran an RCA to mini cable out to the cup holder, where I keep my pod. It sounds beautiful.

Originally I tried the Belkin FM transmitter with my pod, but we have enough radio stations here for it to only work SOMETIMES. It sucked majorly. I broke the little cord at the base soon after, when I had it in my pocket

medea
Jul 23, 2003, 05:39 PM
here is an awesome new holder that fits in your cupholder and just came out from belkin, actually it's not shipping yet but you can preorder it. I'm thinking about picking one up myself.
http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=201526&pcount=&Product_Id=153999#

bennetsaysargh
Jul 23, 2003, 07:23 PM
that's really cool. if i had a car, i would get one:p firstn i need to drive:)

anyway, that is the same one in the pods unite ad.

MacBytes
Jul 23, 2003, 07:23 PM
Category: 3rd Party Hardware
Link: Belking announces TuneDok car holder for all iPods! (http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=201526&pcount=&Product_Id=153999#)

Posted on MacBytes.com (http://www.macbytes.com)

Jerry Spoon
Jul 23, 2003, 07:31 PM
Cool. I'll have to get one...as soon as I get an iPod :D

Capt Underpants
Jul 23, 2003, 07:32 PM
Cool device. Fits right into your cup holder. The only problem I see is that the drink could spill on the iPod. My solution: Use a lid.

shecky
Jul 23, 2003, 07:58 PM
i am pretty sure this is the same holder that comes in the New Beetle iPod bundle from Volkswagen.

cool :)

shecky
Jul 23, 2003, 08:06 PM
medea, like bennet says i am sure thats the holder that comes with the New Beetle iPod package from VW. looks to be a good one to me, thanx for the post.

Some things that i have read on various other forums are:

1. tape adapter is cheap, but sounds average at best. also kind of ungainly looking.

2. FM Mod (iTrip) is OK in non super dense citys, takes up battery life, looks a bit odd

3. Hardwire (either into a AUX jack or via an RCA input adapter) is the best sound by far.

4. The Belkin Auto Kit (http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=1&Section_Id=&pcount=&Product_Id=149006) seems to be a very good way to get audio out of your ipod as it hooks to the dock connector and provides better stronger sound than the headphone jack. also charges at the same time as well.

so my thoughts at the moment are to get the above mentioned Belkin cup holder mount, and the Belkin Auto adapter, have my AutoSound boys run a wire up from the CD changer mount, run it into the Belkin product for my audio input, wire the power directly to the fuse box on the car, then snake the dock connector end out the cupholder. this will leave me with just the cupholder mount and a single cable to both charge and play my iPod.

sound good? i wonder if it can be done.

pseudobrit
Jul 23, 2003, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by shecky
have my AutoSound boys run a wire up from the CD changer mount

It can't just be "a wire," it has to be the wire adapter from rcainput. The problem is one of VW's system; it's nothing an iPod accessory vendor would tackle.

Also, I wouldn't wire from the fuse box; I'd tap into the 12v outlet at the 12v outlet -- splice the wires -- and be closer to where I were using the power.

medea
Jul 23, 2003, 10:45 PM
Originally posted by shecky
medea, like bennet says i am sure thats the holder that comes with the New Beetle iPod package from VW. looks to be a good one to me, thanx for the post.

Some things that i have read on various other forums are:

1. tape adapter is cheap, but sounds average at best. also kind of ungainly looking.

2. FM Mod (iTrip) is OK in non super dense citys, takes up battery life, looks a bit odd

3. Hardwire (either into a AUX jack or via an RCA input adapter) is the best sound by far.

4. The Belkin Auto Kit (http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=1&Section_Id=&pcount=&Product_Id=149006) seems to be a very good way to get audio out of your ipod as it hooks to the dock connector and provides better stronger sound than the headphone jack. also charges at the same time as well.

so my thoughts at the moment are to get the above mentioned Belkin cup holder mount, and the Belkin Auto adapter, have my AutoSound boys run a wire up from the CD changer mount, run it into the Belkin product for my audio input, wire the power directly to the fuse box on the car, then snake the dock connector end out the cupholder. this will leave me with just the cupholder mount and a single cable to both charge and play my iPod.

sound good? i wonder if it can be done.

well you should definitely call your locak autosound etc. about that and see what they suggest and how much it will run you, I myself did decide to go out and buy a new deck that had a aux input so I plug mine directly and it indeed sounds great.
Good luck and let us know what works out for you.

Abstract
Jul 24, 2003, 12:55 AM
Originally posted by medea
here is an awesome new holder that fits in your cupholder and just came out from belkin, actually it's not shipping yet but you can preorder it. I'm thinking about picking one up myself.
http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=201526&pcount=&Product_Id=153999#

How do people know that the ipod cupholder thingy will fit into every cupholder of every car? Maybe it will only fit into a VW, or a particular type of cupholder.

Damn VW and their cute little cars. I want to crush them. They're so lucky!! :mad:

*realizes he's a student who doesn't have a car........or an iPod*

Oh wait, why am I getting so worked up?

*starts whistling "Don't Worry, Be Happy"*

SoonToGetAMac
Jul 24, 2003, 12:59 AM
This is for a VW Golf, but the concept is the same...

ipod install (http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=509131)

bousozoku
Jul 24, 2003, 09:13 AM
Originally posted by shecky
<----freakengruuven :)

i do indeed have the Monsoon sound (i would not normally have gotten it, but, it was part of the package deal i got. its just a more powerful stereo, right? or am i missing something by way of a difference b/w the monsoon & the factory deck?)
...


I've got a 1999 Golf GLS and there's definitely a difference between the monsoon and the other two stereo systems but I can't identify it from any literature VW has.

My system has 4 6.5 inch and 4 1.5 inch speakers, 80 watts total, and came with a cassette head unit only. (Funny that it sounds so much better than my 1990 VW Corrado with 130 watts and 6 speakers.)

It looked like the Monsoon system had the same speakers and power, but CD changer as well, at least, for Golf.

redAPPLE
Jul 24, 2003, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by QCassidy352
I also use a cassette adapter for my ipod, and it works great. My uncle uses an irock (similar to the itrip I think) and that works great as well. But I honestly don't see any reason not to use the cassette adapter.

one significant reason would be if the car does not have any cassette player, because it has a built-in cd player... ;)

Wash!!
Jul 24, 2003, 10:55 AM
I went to a closeout store and pick up one of those cell phone holders kits for $5.00 it fits my 15Gig iPod perfectly and a cassette adapter, put it next to the signal light switch just close to my fingers (sweet). I see the display and use it turn the volume up and down from the ipod it works fine. but I would like to get the rca adapter but for my car is $100.00 and it's not worth for now.:D

redAPPLE
Jul 24, 2003, 11:06 AM
hello guys.

taken for granted, one lives in the 'burbs or out in the country...

would the iRock work fine?

would the iRock (or the iTrip) use up too much power, that it is not even an option?

zimv20
Jul 24, 2003, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by redAPPLE

would the iRock work fine?


i've heard nothing but bad things about the iRock.

jayb2000
Jul 24, 2003, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by zimv20
ahhhhhh. i am now decidedly less excited. i have a '98 VW head unit w/ AM/FM/cassette and an added CD changer. i wouldn't want to lose the CD changer (christ, i just paid a crapload to replace it, too, after the original shorted out).

Wait, 15gb iPod = ~350 CDs, versus 6-10 on the changer? :confused:

Why not sell the changer, use the money to buy the RCA jack and some monster cable and to offset the price of the iPod and then you have the best sound. :D

As far as "mounting" the iPod, my wife and I just drove from California to New England and used a Sticky Pad (http://www.americancovers.com/Retail/stickypad.html), works great and will not get spilled on or limit to one cup holder.

TEG
Jul 24, 2003, 11:34 AM
The iRock runs on its own batteries, so be prepared to buy lots of AAA's. Also you're stuck with only 4 station choices, not to bad in, WA, OR, IN, or MI, but I was traveling near Chicago, and I was being over powered by local station, same think in MT, and in SD. I was looking through Google and eBay before I bought the iRock, and found a small, unstylish manual tuning transmitter, so you can pick any FM station on the dial, a good option for those who have a lot of "education" or "non-profit" radio stations (79.9-91.9) The iRock uses 88.(1-7) so you'd have to make the decision depending on your locale and its radio situations. I wish others would allow you to pick any station, but may be hard to implement.

TEG

zimv20
Jul 24, 2003, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by jayb2000
Wait, 15gb iPod = ~350 CDs, versus 6-10 on the changer? :confused:


i want both. depending on where i'm going, i don't always take the ipod.

Doctor Q
Jul 24, 2003, 01:30 PM
On Belkin's product description page (http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=201526&pcount=&Product_Id=153999#), they list the advantages of the TuneDok as follows:

• Works with both original and 3G iPods

• Features innovative AirGrip™ technology for secure placement

• Provides a large and small rubber base and adapter cup for exact fit and stability in your car's cup holder

• Repositions easily with ratcheting screw neck

• Includes a discreet cable-management clip

• Comes with a Belkin 3-Year Warranty

• Works with both original and 3G iPods

• Features innovative AirGrip™ technology for secure placement

• Provides a large and small rubber base and adapter cup for exact fit and stability in your car's cup holder

• Repositions easily with ratcheting screw neck

• Includes a discreet cable-management clip

• Comes with a Belkin 3-Year Warranty

Their advertising copy editor seems to repeat himself/herself a bit.

jimthorn
Jul 24, 2003, 05:16 PM
Belkin's new cup-holder units look different from the ones in the VW "Pods Unite" ads. Here's a picture of the holder from the VW ad, which I think looks cooler than the Belkin one, though it looks like its only for the new iPod design:

edit: oops, I see now, it is the Belkin holder in combination with Belkin's Auto Kit. no flames please.

RichP
Jul 24, 2003, 06:09 PM
Here is my setup in my BMW; I ordered a european sliding tray, then built a base inside (felt lined) to hold the ipod. I purchased a belkin cig light charger/audio out and hacked it up for hardwiring. It feeds the stereo using a derived source on the OEM navigation; however, I will note I had to use a line driver (read: signal amplifier) to get the signal strong as the CD changer and radio. It works great, and sounds terrific (no surprise) One of my favorite things in the car.

pseudobrit
Jul 24, 2003, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by RichP
Here is my setup in my BMW...

What Bimmer/AC Schnitzer package do you have, or is it just the handbrake? ;)

(I'm a European autophile)

jimthorn
Jul 24, 2003, 11:19 PM
Beautiful setup, RichP. You make it look like the car was designed to hold the iPod.

RichP
Jul 24, 2003, 11:51 PM
thank you both, its a 330ci, with an ac schnitzer body kit and a bunch of other junk..hehe

personally, i like how the orange buttons match the interior lighting :D

Wash!!
Jul 25, 2003, 07:03 AM
It works great..:D

krossfyter
Oct 26, 2003, 04:16 AM
okay i need help in trying to get the right cables to connect the iPod to my car stereo. I posted this on another section of this site but i have yet to get a response to this. since this seems the appropriate place to post such questions dealing with connecting iPods to car stereos i will again post here hoping to get some sort of help. okay i checked the back of my reciever which is an alpine by the way and it has options for 3 more plug in devices that are unused ...or what not. two options are of rca in (female) jacks (two cords with two jacks on each cord) .... one says "front out" the other says "rear out". then the other option is i beleive the cd changer jack that but im not sure. it is one cord one jack (female). im not sure what one calls that female part specifically... is it a like a 5 pin, 6 pin or what? anyways... im just checking with you all on what exact kind of plugs i would need to hook up my iPod. apologies for my inadequacies on the exact terminolgy of the jacks that are in discussion.

also... once i get this all set up how would i then be able to switch from iPod music to the music on my cd player or tuner etc.? would it be the aux option on the reciever? or is it something else?

thanks,

spiral out

barrettd
Oct 26, 2003, 08:27 AM
krossfyter-

If you have 2 female RCA jacks on the back of your head unit, you can use an RCA cable. Just plug the mini-jack end of the cable into the line out of the iPod, and the RCA jacks into the rear of the head unit. The iPod should then show up in the aux. source of the head unit. On my Pioneer, I can name the aux whatever I want, so it shows up as IPOD. It's a pretty straightforward thing, if you want to run the cables behind the dash or whatever to make it a clean install.

You might also want to check out the forums over at Ipodlounge.com (http://www.ipodlounge.com)

BD

mkrishnan
Jan 25, 2004, 09:42 AM
When I first tried out my iPod using the front-panel aux inputs in my head unit, I found a couple of things I have questions about...

1) The iPod volume has to be turned all the way up to get reasonable volume out of the head unit (not surprising -- AFAIK this is because the iPod is outputting at headphone levels and not at line level)

2) I had a CD I burned from iTunes and I tried comparing it to the same playlist in the iPod. It sounded decidedly flatter (midrange was not there) out of the iPod. Has anyone else noticed this? I think the iPod sounds okay out of headphones.

Since I'm comparing to the CD burnt off of the AAC files, I don't think this is a compression issue. Does this have anything to do with the iPod's headphone output, or maybe with the EQ on the iPod?

Chip NoVaMac
Jan 25, 2004, 10:03 AM
Originally posted by pseudobrit
Ah a fellow veedubber! I have a 2002 TDI Golf.

3 - connect it to the stereo directly via RCA jacks. You'll need an adapter from http://www.rcainput.com/, which currently runs $79.95. The one you need depends on whether you have the Monsoon or not. This adapter will allow you a direct connection with no power drain. If you have Monsoon, you need to tap into the amp at the CD changer harness in the trunk and run the wire up through the car.

Too bad they don't support the Subaru (2003 Baja Sport).