Version 1.1 Update by end of July - Will have iChat and Copy-Paste feature

[krimedog]

Just happened to be on the subway with a Marketing guy from Apple...He had a new inCase protective sleeve that wasn't out on the market yet for his iPhone.

Of course I asked him about the update and when to expect it. He said, its coming out "by the end of the month and will feature Copy-Paste as well as iChat".

So look for the next version in the next 2 weeks. This is no ********. I feel like I'm reporting back to the tribe.

Ha. Can't wait.

[ventro]

If they update the firmware too soon it will make all their carefully made intro videos all dated.

[plumbingandtech]

If they update the firmware too soon it will make all their carefully made intro videos all dated.

They'll just do them again. They have the moo-la and personnel.

[Turkish]

"marketing guy from Apple on the subway"

Uh huh.

[opticalserenity]

And if the iPhone had a voice recorder, it would have been useful to hear the guy talk about it :)

[huntnboy04]

So look for the next version in the next 2 weeks.

...only time will tell

[krimedog]

"marketing guy from Apple on the subway"

Uh huh.

Ha. Be skeptical. But first wait two weeks and then tell me. Also, it was the Spring stop where the SOHO Apple Store is...my sister just picked up a shuffle (i kind of want one). So it makes sense that he was there.

If they update the firmware too soon it will make all their carefully made intro videos all dated.

Interesting. But I think the changes will be subtle enough that the videos still have their relevance. Still glad I'm not on their video production team sounds like a headache.

[sdm1130]

People actually believe the things strangers on NY subways tell them? :)

[DaveGee]

"marketing guy from Apple on the subway"

Hey, it's possible.... Just the other day I met Steve Jobs at a raspberry slurpee machine at a local gas-n-go... For the life of me I couldn't get the man to shut-up about Apples iPhone future plans. He was driving me NUTS.... :rolleyes: :D

Dave

[krimedog]

Hey, it's possible.... Just the other day I met Steve Jobs at a raspberry slurpee machine at a local gas-n-go... For the life of me I couldn't get the man to shut-up about Apples iPhone future plans. He was driving me NUTS.... :rolleyes: :D

Dave

So what are their future iPhone plans? And Yea. I have no reason to make it up.

[mobilehavoc]

So what are their future iPhone plans? And Yea. I have no reason to make it up.

No one is saying you're making it up, but rather you shouldn't believe what someone told you because he happens to work at Apple. There are probably very few people, incl. Jobs, who probably really know when the update is coming and what it will contain. The rest probably know as much as you do.

[MovieCutter]

And Yea. I have no reason to make it up.

And we have no reason to believe you...cheers. :rolleyes:

[javaGuru]

I definitely hope this rumor about a iphone update is true. iChat would be a very cool application to have. :)

[D1G1T4L]

I'm amazed how Apple is able to keep so many secrets when their employees are freely giving away info to strangers on the subway.

Amazing :eek:

[p0intblank]

As nice as this sounds, I can't believe it. Apple is strictly prohibited from leaking any details about their products, so I doubt one of their employees would reveal that kind of information to a random stranger on a subway of all places.

And plus, the end of July seems a little late. I expect an update, even if small, by the end of this week.

[marksman]

Did you take a picture of him with your iPhone?

[javaGuru]

Can this information really be considered to be that secretive? Everyone knows that they will be releasing an update within the near future. :)

[nikhsub1]

Err, call me dumb but how is ichat going to work when the camera is on the BACK of the phone????

[javaGuru]

Err, call me dumb but how is ichat going to work when the camera is on the BACK of the phone????

You can use iChat without a camera.

[ventro]

If Apple does add iChat, they want to put the ENTIRE iChat on there, not some stripped down mobile version. That means video.

[plumbingandtech]

If Apple does add iChat, they want to put the ENTIRE iChat on there, not some stripped down mobile version. That means video.

I don't agree at all. Most will be happy with a version with everything BUT video.

[p0intblank]

If Apple does add iChat, they want to put the ENTIRE iChat on there, not some stripped down mobile version. That means video.

Why would they put video chat support if the camera is on the back? Sorry, but I disagree.

[javaGuru]

I don't agree at all. Most will be happy with a version with everything BUT video.

I don't agree with that either. I think most people would be very happy with a text only based version of iChat. I for one would be very happy with this.

[The Prise]

i love how the apple marketing rep is risking his job to some stranger on the subway. we will see an update. 2 weeks maybe 1 week maybe 2 days maybe 1 months maybe. maybe, maybe...

[javaGuru]

i love how the apple marketing rep is risking his job to some stranger on the subway. we will see an update. 2 weeks maybe 1 week maybe 2 days maybe 1 months maybe. maybe, maybe...

There definitely seems to be a lot of maybes involved. The reality is that no one really knows when the update will be released or what it will contain.

[defeated]

If Apple does add iChat, they want to put the ENTIRE iChat on there, not some stripped down mobile version. That means video.

I bet $100 it won't happen with the machine on the market now.

[plumbingandtech]

I don't agree with that either. I think most people would be very happy with a text only based version of iChat. I for one would be very happy with this.

that's what i am saying. :) beside video what else is left to leave out? I guess the file transfer stuff huh? Yes they should drop that for now...

at least until we have some uber filesystem on the iphone with leopard~!

[fart]

the update will coincide with the new iMirror, which attaches via magnets to the back of your iphone, enabling video conferencing. Trust me. The guy standing outside the ATT store seemed so confident, it must be true. You guys just wait!

[javaGuru]

the update will coincide with the new iMirror, which attaches via magnets to the back of your iphone, enabling video conferencing. Trust me. The guy standing outside the ATT store seemed so confident, it must be true. You guys just wait!

LMAO, this iMirror is going to be awesome! I'm going to have to be one of the first to get that one so I can use iChat. :D

[fart]

LMAO, this iMirror is going to be awesome! I'm going to have to be one of the first to get that one so I can use iChat. :D

yeah dude! I'm gonna start camping outside the apple store for the inevitable release of the iMirror!

[Djmx]

yeah dude! I'm gonna start camping outside the apple store for the inevitable release of the iMirror!

LOL u GUYS crack me up i love u guys! lol alright well ichat wit video would be AWESOME.. in a way i believe it b/c iphone is a built in OS LEOPARD.. that means full verison of ichat.. maybe videoing.. if the iphone is 499 n 599 i'm guessing they'll be adding more stuff to it that be worth the money we spend.. who knows.. apple is always full of surprises ! so we'll have to STAY TUNED! :p oh and iMirror... hmmm intersting... u never know...

[jamoses66]

how would you add copy/paste support anyway...the way the interface works with the magnifying glass appearing when you drag over text seems to imply that if they implimented copy/paste that whole interface element would have to be substantially modified. I just dont see it happening with the way they have designed the software...too many elements central to the user experience would have to be altered and that would be too confusing for the average joe to figure out after having just mastered the iPhone in its present state. If there was something akin to right click (maybe by holding down a finger) in the software that would make this more feasible, but I think that adds complexity that they tried to steer away from in the design of the interface.

[plumbingandtech]

how would you add copy/paste support anyway...the way the interface works with the magnifying glass appearing when you drag over text seems to imply that if they implimented copy/paste that whole interface element would have to be substantially modified. I just dont see it happening with the way they have designed the software...too many elements central to the user experience would have to be altered and that would be too confusing for the average joe to figure out after having just mastered the iPhone in its present state. If there was something akin to right click (maybe by holding down a finger) in the software that would make this more feasible, but I think that adds complexity that they tried to steer away from in the design of the interface.

two finger drag across a word. would pop up a small menu (cut copy paste) would then aninimate word flying to edge of screen (any of 4 edges) as little word bubble.

that word bubble would stay above all apps and when you want to use it you would drag it to a input field etc...

two finger drag from word bubble would do a copy of the word bubble leaving the original there otherwise word bubble would go away.

double tapping word bubble would show all the text in some sort of nice dialog.

[ventro]

That's my point. Since the network / phone design doesn't support video chats just yet, Apple is going to hold off on iChat until both those things are ready.

[plumbingandtech]

That's my point. Since the network / phone design doesn't support video chats just yet, Apple is going to hold off on iChat until both those things are ready.

huh? it is the number one software request so far. You are saying they are going to hold off on this until they:

have a faster network (3g not everywhere)
have a iphone that uses the faster network
build a version of the iphone who's camera points the other direction


???

Nope. they will just release a text only version of ichat like we mentioned above. ASAP.

[beate]

If Apple does add iChat, they want to put the ENTIRE iChat on there, not some stripped down mobile version. That means video.

I use iChat often but never video. Got the camera when it first came out (before they started putting iSight on the computer itself) - used it with one person - once! Most of those I communicate with have no video.

[tjespo22]

there better be a ringtones update in there too

[Sal510]

there better be a ringtones update in there too

i kno right!!!

and t4p :cool:

[gdsingh]

probably be a ichat text only... all the phones with video conferencing are 3g and have VGA cameras on the front, i highly doubt we will be getting a full blown ichat app.

[mjs975s]

Just happened to be on the subway with a Marketing guy from Apple...He had a new inCase protective sleeve that wasn't out on the market yet for his iPhone.

Of course I asked him about the update and when to expect it. He said, its coming out "by the end of the month and will feature Copy-Paste as well as iChat".

So look for the next version in the next 2 weeks. This is no ********. I feel like I'm reporting back to the tribe.

Ha. Can't wait.

Apple employees will not get their iPhones until the end of the month due to an imposed blackout period by Apple; however, as long as they are full time employees they will be getting an 8gig version for free.

Considering it isn't the end of July, I call BS on this story because an employee from the marketing dept wouldn't have an iPhone yet.

[plumbingandtech]

Apple employees will not get their iPhones until the end of the month due to an imposed blackout period by Apple; however, as long as they are full time employees they will be getting an 8gig version for free.

Considering it isn't the end of July, I call BS on this story because an employee from the marketing dept wouldn't have an iPhone yet.

actually there have been plenty of pics of apple emps. already with them. these are usually key people involved with the iphone.

If (and I am not saying I believe the guy) if the apple person is for real he or she may be involved with marketing the iphone which would increase the chance of them having one greatly.

[dr_lha]

So what are their future iPhone plans? And Yea. I have no reason to make it up.
Indeed. I have no idea why people would doubt you. After all, random people on internet chat forums with brand new user registrations are amongst the most trustworthy sources I've known.

[krimedog]

Apple employees will not get their iPhones until the end of the month due to an imposed blackout period by Apple; however, as long as they are full time employees they will be getting an 8gig version for free.

Considering it isn't the end of July, I call BS on this story because an employee from the marketing dept wouldn't have an iPhone yet.

I love all the hate. Believe it or not, I could care less. Just reporting what I heard. Never hurts to be skeptical but we'll see by the 31st. I'll bet an iPhone on it.

And dr_lha you are bringing up my new registration as a point of contention? Really Doc?

[DiamondMac]

People here sure are a lot nicer to random people in public then I am.

If I was at Subway, I would just want my food and leave. :D

[p0intblank]

That's my point. Since the network / phone design doesn't support video chats just yet, Apple is going to hold off on iChat until both those things are ready.

You don't seem to be comprehending us here.I guarantee you Apple will release iChat for the iPhone without video conferencing support.

[sparkomatic]

i love how the apple marketing rep is risking his job to some stranger on the subway. we will see an update. 2 weeks maybe 1 week maybe 2 days maybe 1 months maybe. maybe, maybe...

I don't think I saw the word 'maybe' once in the original post.

Geez guys, give the guy a break. I don't believe him, or any other rumor I read on here, but two pages of ripping on him?

Now I'm kinda rooting for him and an update to come out by the end of the month so he can get apologies from you all :D

[NemoMac]

the update will coincide with the new iMirror, which attaches via magnets to the back of your iphone, enabling video conferencing. Trust me. The guy standing outside the ATT store seemed so confident, it must be true. You guys just wait!

My question is, will the iChat software automatically compensate for the iMirror and flip the image for me? You see, I have this scar on my forehead from when I fought the Dark Lord, Voldemort, and all the girls think it's sexy... I don't think it would look as good backwards.

[Peter Kim]

Not sure if this verifies this guy's source or not, but I brought my iPhone to a Genius at the Soho store complaining about my battery last week. He told me that the staff had just gotten an email from the higher ups saying there would be an update released by next week (this week) that would address the battery issue. He wouldn't say if anything else would be addressed, but he said that my battery issues would definitely be fixed.

If anyone wants to verify this for themselves, bring your iPhone into your nearest Apple Store Genius and ask!

[Diode]

Apple employees will not get their iPhones until the end of the month due to an imposed blackout period by Apple; however, as long as they are full time employees they will be getting an 8gig version for free.

Considering it isn't the end of July, I call BS on this story because an employee from the marketing dept wouldn't have an iPhone yet.

Where did you hear this from? My friend who works at a apple store already has his free one ...

[rdrr]

I always was under the impression that phone updates, ui software and firmware, were infrequent because they had to be submitted to the FCC and they had to approve them. Making it such a PITA, that companies hated to do them more than one or two times tops a year.

[Annndy!]

I always was under the impression that phone updates, ui software and firmware, were infrequent because they had to be submitted to the FCC and they had to approve them. Making it such a PITA, that companies hated to do them more than one or two times tops a year.

My Sidekick usually gets an OTA update at least once every quarter or so...I know that's not too often, but still. I'd be happy with a quarterly update from Apple (as long as they packed as much in as they could with each update :p)

[PowerFullMac]

Unlikely Apple will put iChat on the iPhone, because you need to connect to EDGE if you are on the go (not standing in one place) and iChat needs access to the net, and you cant receve calls while your on the net through EDGE.

[dr_lha]

I love all the hate. Believe it or not, I could care less. Just reporting what I heard. Never hurts to be skeptical but we'll see by the 31st. I'll bet an iPhone on it.

And dr_lha you are bringing up my new registration as a point of contention? Really Doc?
Why not, trolls often are recent registrations. I'm not saying you're a troll, I'd be very happy to be proved wrong. Sadly "bloke down the pub told me" sorts of rumors I take with a pinch of salt no matter where I'm hearing them from.

[DotComCTO]

I always was under the impression that phone updates, ui software and firmware, were infrequent because they had to be submitted to the FCC and they had to approve them. Making it such a PITA, that companies hated to do them more than one or two times tops a year.

That's interesting. I've never heard that before (not that I've researched that much!). I'm not sure why the FCC would need to review that. The FCC is mostly concerned about things like RF transmission, effective radiated power and interference. Given that the FCC has already approved the iPhone, I'd be surprised if they needed to review software updates. I'm sure that AT&T would want to review any updates to assess the impact on their network as well as their customer service team. I'm just not sure about the FCC.

My 2 cents as a long time ham radio operator.

--DotComCTO

[DotComCTO]

Unlikely Apple will put iChat on the iPhone, because you need to connect to EDGE if you are on the go (not standing in one place) and iChat needs access to the net, and you cant receve calls while your on the net through EDGE.

That's a good point, but then, how does Yahoo push e-mail work???

--DotComCTO

[ChandlerXJ]

why doesn't the phone send you an i chat when your getting a call with a link that shuts off i chat? this is an iheadache, just be patient.

[PowerFullMac]

That's a good point, but then, how does Yahoo push e-mail work???

--DotComCTO

The email checks every few minutes (or whatever you set it to) but people want ot keep their IM logged in, and you need to to keep updating the list of online users and to keep a conversation working etc.

[dejo]

The email checks every few minutes (or whatever you set it to)...
Push email doesn't require checking. That's why it's push.

[danny_w]

If Apple does add iChat, they want to put the ENTIRE iChat on there, not some stripped down mobile version. That means video.
And why is that? Everything else on the iPhone is a stripped down version of the real thing. Like email w/o multiple delete or deleted message folder delete, photo mail to one recipient only, etc. etc. etc.

[bmustaf]

There are a number of chat systems (and commensurate software packages) that function purely over SMS or use SMS as the plumbing to do tcpip connections on demand (to reduce the need to have always on EDGE).

I used one (OZ Mobile I think) that came bundled with my BlackJack on Yahoo! IM and it worked quite well.

Unlikely Apple will put iChat on the iPhone, because you need to connect to EDGE if you are on the go (not standing in one place) and iChat needs access to the net, and you cant receve calls while your on the net through EDGE.

[JMax1]

the update will coincide with the new iMirror, which attaches via magnets to the back of your iphone, enabling video conferencing. Trust me. The guy standing outside the ATT store seemed so confident, it must be true. You guys just wait!

You won't need the mirror if everyone using the video chat speaks in sign language, just hold it with your hand on the other side and sign away! Although it would make things difficult for the two handed signs and the signs that need to gesture towards or away from one's body.... okay maybe you'd have to fingerspell everything out, but it's possible!!!!


Originally Posted by PowerFullMac
Unlikely Apple will put iChat on the iPhone, because you need to connect to EDGE if you are on the go (not standing in one place) and iChat needs access to the net, and you cant receve calls while your on the net through EDGE


How do other AIM clients on phones work? Shouldn't be too much more of an issue with this sort of thing, on my old phones with AIM i could have the app not running and it would still notify me of a message.

[bmustaf]

Further, GSM and GPRS/EDGE *do* provide a facility to interrupt packet data.

Basically, when a device is communicating over GPRS/EDGE it cannot sample the paging channel that would indicate an incoming call or SMS (read: activity on the circuit switched side of the world). There is a provision for taking this paging message (circuit switched event), throttling the packet activity, sending the paging message, and resuming packet activity and allowing the handset to choose (either through user interaction or handset choice) how to proceed (answer call/receive text, et al).

Obviously this isn't just a handset dependent feature. This mode of operation requires infrastructure that may or may not be in place...but the short answer is: yes, you can receive calls/SMS during GPRS/EDGE sessions...if you choose to answer them you must interrupt the GPRS/EDGE session. But the nice thing here is that some GPRS/EDGE implementations can do this relatively seamlessly to the TCP/IP layer (although protocols living above the TCP/IP layer may eventually time out if the connections are held inactive for too long).

Unlikely Apple will put iChat on the iPhone, because you need to connect to EDGE if you are on the go (not standing in one place) and iChat needs access to the net, and you cant receve calls while your on the net through EDGE.

[mobilehavoc]

Further, GSM and GPRS/EDGE *do* provide a facility to interrupt packet data.

Basically, when a device is communicating over GPRS/EDGE it cannot sample the paging channel that would indicate an incoming call or SMS (read: activity on the circuit switched side of the world). There is a provision for taking this paging message (circuit switched event), throttling the packet activity, sending the paging message, and resuming packet activity and allowing the handset to choose (either through user interaction or handset choice) how to proceed (answer call/receive text, et al).

Obviously this isn't just a handset dependent feature. This mode of operation requires infrastructure that may or may not be in place...but the short answer is: yes, you can receive calls/SMS during GPRS/EDGE sessions...if you choose to answer them you must interrupt the GPRS/EDGE session. But the nice thing here is that some GPRS/EDGE implementations can do this relatively seamlessly to the TCP/IP layer (although protocols living above the TCP/IP layer may eventually time out if the connections are held inactive for too long).


I think Blackberry devices for example use this implementation where GPRS/EDGE is put on hold when a call comes in and then resume right after. That's why for example the very second (maybe even ms) you get off a call on a BB, any email that is waiting on the server is delivered immediately. On Windows Mobile phones for example, after a call ends it has to reconnect to EDGE which takes significantly longer.

From my experience it seems iPhone uses the WM type method.

[Telp]

Apple employees will not get their iPhones until the end of the month due to an imposed blackout period by Apple; however, as long as they are full time employees they will be getting an 8gig version for free.

Considering it isn't the end of July, I call BS on this story because an employee from the marketing dept wouldn't have an iPhone yet.

Hmm, i guess its not possible the dude could have bought an iphone. Oh well...

[liberty4all]

Yea, seems stupid, when there are a few phones out there already with pivoting cameras to switch forward/backward or even in the middle... and where's the video capture app, Apple?! :(

Err, call me dumb but how is ichat going to work when the camera is on the BACK of the phone????

[Telp]

I think the only logical way would be to turn the iphone around :D:rolleyes:;)


Besides, it cant even CAPTURE video yet, let alone capture and SEND it out at a constant rate. I find it funny that video is even something people declare needs to be there on a mobile phone. Yeah its cool, and the phones that can do it now are pretty sweet, and im sure the iphone will do that eventually, but seriously, it doesnt seem like that would be a must for a PHONE. Anyway, i dont understand why when every other phone, including one of the most popular phones out there, including the sidekick, the iphone, the newest phone in all ways, doesnt have its own instant messanger application. It doesnt seem logical. Sure the SMS is set up to look like iChat, but why wouldnt they just have its own client that actually does ichat. It doesnt seem that this was AT&ts decision...I don't know, its weird, hope they add IM support not over the internet, those web apps use way too much battery, especially iphonejive, or whatever it is called...

[liberty4all]

The answer is... OUT THERE! ;-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_email


That's a good point, but then, how does Yahoo push e-mail work???

--DotComCTO

[liberty4all]

You could transfer video when you sync your iPhone to a computer -- even that would be useful if I could not actually send email over the network... Plus I could play the video on the iPhone for others...

I think the only logical way would be to turn the iphone around :D:rolleyes:;)

Besides, it cant even CAPTURE video yet, let alone capture and SEND it out at a constant rate. I find it funny that video is even something people declare needs to be there on a mobile phone. Yeah its cool, and the phones that can do it now are pretty sweet, and im sure the iphone will do that eventually, but seriously, it doesnt seem like that would be a must for a PHONE. Anyway, i dont understand why when every other phone, including one of the most popular phones out there, including the sidekick, the iphone, the newest phone in all ways, doesnt have its own instant messanger application. It doesnt seem logical. Sure the SMS is set up to look like iChat, but why wouldnt they just have its own client that actually does ichat. It doesnt seem that this was AT&ts decision...I don't know, its weird, hope they add IM support not over the internet, those web apps use way too much battery, especially iphonejive, or whatever it is called...

[bmustaf]

I tend to agree. Video chat over EDGE simply would not work, under ideal lab conditions, even, let alone on ATT's real life (read: highly suboptimal in all but the most lucky of areas) network (seriously, ATT's network is atrocious).

If you're close to a WiFi hotspot you are better served by pulling out your MacBook and chatting it up with a 1) higher res camera, 2) larger screen, 3) a battery designed to support these kind of uses.

Yeah, I know, it'd be cool on the iPhone but it doesn't seem like the current hardware and infrastructure of the iPhone lends itself to performing the way Jobs wants the iPhone to work.

I think the only logical way would be to turn the iphone around :D:rolleyes:;)


Besides, it cant even CAPTURE video yet, let alone capture and SEND it out at a constant rate. I find it funny that video is even something people declare needs to be there on a mobile phone. Yeah its cool, and the phones that can do it now are pretty sweet, and im sure the iphone will do that eventually, but seriously, it doesnt seem like that would be a must for a PHONE. Anyway, i dont understand why when every other phone, including one of the most popular phones out there, including the sidekick, the iphone, the newest phone in all ways, doesnt have its own instant messanger application. It doesnt seem logical. Sure the SMS is set up to look like iChat, but why wouldnt they just have its own client that actually does ichat. It doesnt seem that this was AT&ts decision...I don't know, its weird, hope they add IM support not over the internet, those web apps use way too much battery, especially iphonejive, or whatever it is called...