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MacRumors
Jul 16, 2007, 05:44 PM
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eWeek Microsoft-Watch blogger (http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/desktop_mobile/its_not_iphone_its_my_phone.html) relates his two week experience with the iPhone.
Before reading any further, Microsofties and their partners should take out paper and a pen. Apple has done so much right with the iPhone—based on my experience, anyway— that they should take notes.
Joe Wilcox replaced his Nokia N95 (http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/desktop_mobile/a_smarter_smart_phone.html) with the iPhone in a last minute decision which he doesn't regret. He breaks down what he sees the major benefit of the iPhone: Synchronization, Mobile Web, Mobile E-Mail, Battery Life, and that it's simply a joy to use.

Wilcox writes "I never really liked my cell phone before now. But I love my iPhone. It's a real joy to use; using the features makes me laugh. All technology products should be this useful and fun."

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2007/07/16/microsoft-watchs-take-on-the-iphone/)



zv470
Jul 16, 2007, 05:51 PM
It's interesting how people say they never liked their cellphone... until they got an iPhone. It's exactly the same for people who never liked their computer until they got a Mac. :)

siurpeeman
Jul 16, 2007, 06:01 PM
i, too, never really liked my cell phone until i got my iphone. the biggest draw for me is syncing with my mac and having the internet in my pocket. if the iPod features weren't there, I'd still buy it (though for not as much).

travlinman
Jul 16, 2007, 06:17 PM
Reading everybody's joy with their iPhone is a burn. I travel 70% of the time to Europe and Asia and I have three other SIM cards that I use in addition to my AT&T card that I use in the U.S.. The iPhone is useless to me unless I can use my other SIM cards and it bugs me that every other phone can be unlocked except this one. This is the one thing Apple has done wrong with the iPhone. I am sure there are many others like me who need to use different SIM cards.

kingofkolt
Jul 16, 2007, 06:20 PM
I have a Samsung UpStage, and it's the first cell phone I've liked. Of course, it's only my second cell phone. But it's verrrry thin (thinner than the iPhone), it's got a nice big screen on one side, and it's insanely light. I don't need a $600 iPhone when I can get something lighter that has everything I need for $80. :)

(And yes, I am trying to reassure myself.)

Peel
Jul 16, 2007, 06:21 PM
Wilcox writes "I never really liked my cell phone before now. But I love my iPhone. It's a real joy to use; using the features makes me laugh. All technology products should be this useful and fun."

And the Halo effect ramps up yet again.

mac 2005
Jul 16, 2007, 06:29 PM
I've only had the pleasure of using an iPhone for a few moments, but it looks like a great device. I've wanted to buy one, of course, but I just recently purchased a Blackberry Pearl and I can't justify the expense.

Also, for what it's worth, I love the Pearl. With the exception of the touch screen and the ability to play YouTube videos :rolleyes:, the Pearl does everything the iPhone can do in a trim, stylish package and with an intuitive interface.

That said, two years from now, I will be in line for an iPhone.

mpw
Jul 16, 2007, 06:35 PM
And the Halo effect ramps up yet again.
Yeah 'cause now Apple will be able to sell all these iPhone users......oh wait, does Apple still do computers?

mkrishnan
Jul 16, 2007, 06:38 PM
I have a Samsung UpStage, and it's the first cell phone I've liked. Of course, it's only my second cell phone. But it's verrrry thin (thinner than the iPhone), it's got a nice big screen on one side, and it's insanely light. I don't need a $600 iPhone when I can get something lighter that has everything I need for $80. :)

It seems like an interesting concept for a phone. Although, I'll consider Samsung again when Apple starts taking them seriously. Perhaps I might consider getting an unlocked blackjack if I can use it on T-Mobile, since I still own a license for missing sync. I couldn't possibly purchase a phone that did not work with iSync or some other manifestation of Sync Services in OS X.

BKF
Jul 16, 2007, 06:40 PM
And the Halo effect ramps up yet again.

Exactly! I'm thinking that the iPhone may finally bring the halo effect we've reading about for so long. The iPod is a great device, but it's the iPhone that really gives people a taste of the Mac. If I didn't already use a Mac I would think that my reaction to the phone would be, "They can do this with a phone? What are their computers like?"

MacQuest
Jul 16, 2007, 06:43 PM
Yeah 'cause now Apple will be able to sell all these iPhone users......oh wait, does Apple still do computers?

Wow, you're right!

The Mac computer sales part of Apple's business is in SOOO much trouble along with that losing iPod division.

They've obviously lost their way.

:rolleyes:

Exactly! I'm thinking that the iPhone may finally bring the halo effect we've reading about for so long....

You've been reading about the Halo effect for so long before it has been very real for so long.

You're not "finally" going to see anything except more of what has already been happening for years now.

mpw
Jul 16, 2007, 06:53 PM
...They've obviously lost their way...
IMO there's little inspiring that's come out on the PC front from Apple in quite a while, hardware in particular. I'm not saying their not making money, just they're not as inspired as they seemed to be.

...I couldn't possibly purchase a phone that did not work with iSync or some other manifestation of Sync Services in OS X.
No iPhone for you then, seeing as it doesn't sync through iSync or the OS and relies on iTunes.

This is the kind of uninspired thinking that has taken the shine off Apple for me lately. Surely I should be able to use the iPhone with all the features in AddressBook if I can with a SE or Nokia why did Apple cripple their own product?

mkrishnan you might want to stock up on obsolete handsets, 'cause I suspect iSync won't be seeing many competitors to the iPhone added to it's support device list.:(

mkrishnan
Jul 16, 2007, 07:02 PM
mkrishnan you might want to stock up on obsolete handsets, 'cause I suspect iSync won't be seeing many competitors to the iPhone added to it's support device list.:(

Well, I hope that isn't true....

But for what it's worth: I said iSync or Sync Services for a reason. Sync Services is the component of Tiger that iTunes uses to get info from your iCal and Address Book. It's the same component that iSync uses, and it's the same component that Missing Sync uses. I think it's even the same thing Entourage uses. The application on the front end changed, but that's it... technologically, it's pretty much the same.

But what is it about Address Book that doesn't work in iPhone? It's always been true that Sync Services sort of "did its best" -- not every phone supported everything. The match was particularly close on some products (i.e. Symbian), but it was always a sort of best fit.

Fiallo1984
Jul 16, 2007, 07:03 PM
What features of addressbook can't you use with an iPhone? I've found it infintely easier to use my iphone through iTunes to update my addressbook whenever I sync it. Are you actually complaining about a problem that you've experienced or one you perceive exists?

mpw
Jul 16, 2007, 07:09 PM
What features of addressbook can't you use with an iPhone?... ...one you perceive exists?
In AddressBook I can pair with my SE/Nokia via BlueTooth and then click on a contacts mobile number to get a list of options like dial or send SMS. If I send and SMS I can type this in a window rather than take my phone outta my pocket.

While paired an incoming text to my SE results in a pop-up window on my Mac's screen where I can view the text and then save it to the 'Notes:' field of the contact in AddressBook.

I've been told the iPhone can't do this, can it?

puckhead193
Jul 16, 2007, 07:16 PM
Yeah 'cause now Apple will be able to sell all these iPhone users......oh wait, does Apple still do computers?

judging by the home page they don't :rolleyes:

mainstreetmark
Jul 16, 2007, 07:19 PM
No iPhone for you then, seeing as it doesn't sync through iSync or the OS and relies on iTunes.

This is the kind of uninspired thinking that has taken the shine off Apple for me lately. Surely I should be able to use the iPhone with all the features in AddressBook if I can with a SE or Nokia why did Apple cripple their own product?



Errr, when the sync errors (due to a bad "Sync with Exchange" setting in address book), it was iSync that threw the error. Ever heard of a shared library?

What features are you talking about? I'm not sure you're making any sense.

mkrishnan
Jul 16, 2007, 07:19 PM
I've been told the iPhone can't do this, can it?

I think this is actually an issue not related to iSync and Sync Services. This is actually related to bluetooth profiles... a phone needs a certain BT profile to be able to do this function, if I remember correctly. I don't think my RAZR does it either... :rolleyes: But you're right that Apple has no excuse for supporting so few profiles in the iPhone BT stack...

mpw
Jul 16, 2007, 07:41 PM
...I'm not sure you're making any sense...
Maybe I'm not, I haven't tried the issues I'm talking about with an iPhone, just going by what I've read in these forums.
Errr, when the sync errors (due to a bad "Sync with Exchange" setting in address book), it was iSync that threw the error. Ever heard of a shared library?...
*eerie silence* Nope you've lost me. People on these forums have said they haven't been able to get iSync to sync their iPhones. Are you saying they're wrong and you do use iSync?
...What features are you talking about...
See my above post about the SMS from a Mac via the iPhone by BlueTooth.

Are these usable? Do you have an iPhone to try this on because I seem to be getting conflicting reports now as to whether this can be done??

Cleverboy
Jul 16, 2007, 07:50 PM
Exactly! I'm thinking that the iPhone may finally bring the halo effect we've reading about for so long. The iPod is a great device, but it's the iPhone that really gives people a taste of the Mac. If I didn't already use a Mac I would think that my reaction to the phone would be, "They can do this with a phone? What are their computers like?" The "HALO" effect can work in more ways than one. I use both Mac and PC. Over the last couple of years, a series of events have brought me screaming back to using my Mac as my MAIN computer again. I'm still in dire need of a NEW Mac (waiting for Leopard and new iMacs), but iPhone apps like "Telekinesis", which only work on Tiger have forced me to UPGRADE my OS version from Panther, and I'm in full "transition mode". I'm gladly delegating my PC to second-class status in anticipation of making a full transition back to Mac. The rub... my PC is a 3 Gig + Dell, and my Mac is a PowerPC 400 mHz G4 Tower.

Oddly, in many ways, the Mac still outperforms the PC in the amount of apps I can run, and general performance boost. I just got giddy selecting and drag-and-dropping a text clipping from my browser window to my desktop again. Being able to drag the loose clipping back into my document anytime, beats the multiple clipboard madness of Microsoft Office any day of the week!

I'm expecting using iCal / Address book to sync with my iPhone will be a much much simpler experience for me than Outlook has been. I absolutely hated Outlook sucking up all my system resources like a stuck pig, and Apple's Address book is a whole heck of a much more attractive program to use over Outlook contacts, in my book. Sigh. Home coming. Gotta love it. :D

~ CB :apple:

poopooplatter
Jul 16, 2007, 10:18 PM
The "HALO" effect can work in more ways than one. I use both Mac and PC. Over the last couple of years, a series of events have brought me screaming back to using my Mac as my MAIN computer again. I'm still in dire need of a NEW Mac (waiting for Leopard and new iMacs), but iPhone apps like "Telekinesis", which only work on Tiger have forced me to UPGRADE my OS version from Panther, and I'm in full "transition mode". I'm gladly delegating my PC to second-class status in anticipation of making a full transition back to Mac. The rub... my PC is a 3 Gig + Dell, and my Mac is a PowerPC 400 mHz G4 Tower.

Oddly, in many ways, the Mac still outperforms the PC in the amount of apps I can run, and general performance boost. I just got giddy selecting and drag-and-dropping a text clipping from my browser window to my desktop again. Being able to drag the loose clipping back into my document anytime, beats the multiple clipboard madness of Microsoft Office any day of the week!

I'm expecting using iCal / Address book to sync with my iPhone will be a much much simpler experience for me than Outlook has been. I absolutely hated Outlook sucking up all my system resources like a stuck pig, and Apple's Address book is a whole heck of a much more attractive program to use over Outlook contacts, in my book. Sigh. Home coming. Gotta love it. :D

~ CB :apple:

Say "Hallo" to the Halo effect, mate!

ajhill
Jul 16, 2007, 11:54 PM
It's great to see an article that finally gets it right. All the iPhone bashing hasn't stopped the sales. The PC Fan boys can't stop it.

It's quite simply the best designed, most elegant, best working piece of technology to come out in the last 20 years. I love mine for all the reasons mentioned in this article.

It was like a breath of fresh air.

:)

Fiallo1984
Jul 16, 2007, 11:59 PM
Nope you can't use the BT connection to send SMS messages through the phone which I believe is related to the AT&T-mandated policy that the iPhone not be used as a modem in order to allow for the cheaper data plan. This and what follows is all based on hearsay and my observations which could mean absolutely nothing. As previously reported, the iPhone can't be tethered to a computer via BT and used as a modem. The rationale I've heard is that the iPhone's unlimited data plan is $20 compared to the $45 pricetag of unlimited data for Blackberrys and other smartphones on AT&T. Thus the additional $25/month essentially subsidizes the use of BB's as mobile modems explaining why AT&T has no limits for the BT services of these smartphones. So my guess is that in order to prevent people from tethering their iPhones to their computers, Apple has severally limited the BT services of the iPhone, including sending text messages via a BT connection from a paired laptop.

That said, I've never needed or used this service because I find it easier to send SMS messages through an IM client. Best of all, this method doesn't use up my text messages. It's rather simple: send the desired text message to "+1**********" where the stars represent the 10-digit telephone number you'd like to text.

Fortunately for me, none of the qualms about tethering or the 3G vs Edge debate have been remotely problematic for me because I'm around open WiFi networks all day.

nagromme
Jul 17, 2007, 12:16 AM
From the article:

"I run the batter done to zero, as I would with an iPod, before recharging it in the hope of extending the battery life. We'll see how the battery performs in six months and if I'm still singing its praises."

OOOPS! He's got that backwards. With modern batteries, you're better off using the top of the charge than fully draining (except for the occasional calibration). No need to change his habits.

EDIT: Wow. The user reviews below the article are pretty positive to say the least! Tell us how you really feel :p

Clive At Five
Jul 17, 2007, 09:17 AM
Before reading any further, Microsofties and their partners should take out paper and a pen. Apple has done so much right with the iPhone—based on my experience, anyway— that they should take notes.

Eh... MS takes too many notes from Apple.

I am curious, however, when the iPhone imitaters (alleged "killers") will start making an appearance...

-Clive

mainstreetmark
Jul 17, 2007, 04:58 PM
Maybe I'm not, I haven't tried the issues I'm talking about with an iPhone, just going by what I've read in these forums.

*eerie silence* Nope you've lost me. People on these forums have said they haven't been able to get iSync to sync their iPhones. Are you saying they're wrong and you do use iSync?

See my above post about the SMS from a Mac via the iPhone by BlueTooth.

Are these usable? Do you have an iPhone to try this on because I seem to be getting conflicting reports now as to whether this can be done??

- Yeah, so far, it looks like the iPhone exports only headphone-borgimplant stuff. OSX sees no useable bluetooth services at this point (like SMS and maddeningly Modem). Which sucks.
- iTunes is using the iSync services and frameworks without bothering with iSync.app, which uses those same frameworks. It lets an application use the functionality of other applications. Very useful. (Like, how iTunes can play quicktime movies, without launching Quicktime.app)

jt2ga65
Jul 18, 2007, 12:32 PM
The rub... my PC is a 3 Gig + Dell, and my Mac is a PowerPC 400 mHz G4 Tower.

Oddly, in many ways, the Mac still outperforms the PC in the amount of apps I can run, and general performance boost.
My Mac is also a PowerPC 400 mHz G4 tower, and I absolutely can't stand it. It's so freaking slow that it's intolerable, and the stability just isn't there. Even running though it's running Tiger, and I like the OSX interface better than Windows, I can't find the applications I want to run, and can't even browse the Internet without Safari crashing. Firefox isn't much better.

I resurrected the beast to see if I should go buy a new Mac. My concern was that the new Macs are considerably more expensive that the PC equivalently, and that there is not equivalent software to full the need that my current PC platform(s) fill for roughly the same money (or free).

I really have no use for the bundled applications, as they are extremely limited in their configuration options, and don't want to spend THOUSANDS of dollars for Mac software, where my PC equivalent software is freeware.

I like Mac. I've always liked Mac. I'll probably some day have another Mac. I love the UI on my iPhone, although I'm still stung by the limited options in the applications that came with iPhone 1.0. I don't regret the iPhone purchase, but can't bring myself to actually purchase a new Mac when the software support just isn't there.

I DO absolutely LOVE Apple's OS licenses.

-jt2

mpw
Jul 18, 2007, 03:37 PM
...My concern was that the new Macs are considerably more expensive that the PC equivalently, and that there is not equivalent software to full the need that my current PC platform(s) fill for roughly the same money (or free).

I really have no use for the bundled applications, as they are extremely limited in their configuration options, and don't want to spend THOUSANDS of dollars for Mac software, where my PC equivalent software is freeware...

...but can't bring myself to actually purchase a new Mac when the software support just isn't there...
What software are you looking to use?

dante@sisna.com
Jul 18, 2007, 08:25 PM
I've only had the pleasure of using an iPhone for a few moments, but it looks like a great device. I've wanted to buy one, of course, but I just recently purchased a Blackberry Pearl and I can't justify the expense.

Also, for what it's worth, I love the Pearl. With the exception of the touch screen and the ability to play YouTube videos :rolleyes:, the Pearl does everything the iPhone can do in a trim, stylish package and with an intuitive interface.

That said, two years from now, I will be in line for an iPhone.

I bought my Pearl in January after the iPhone release date was announced for June.

The Pearl was a nice attempt at a cell phone and smart phone: best phone I ever owned (and I have had a lot) until the iPhone.

The iPhone is everything I had hoped the Pearl would be. My Pearl sold fast on eBay and I have no regrets.

Ditch your Pearl now if you can -- unless you need the modem, you won't regret the iPhone.

dante@sisna.com
Jul 18, 2007, 08:28 PM
In AddressBook I can pair with my SE/Nokia via BlueTooth and then click on a contacts mobile number to get a list of options like dial or send SMS. If I send and SMS I can type this in a window rather than take my phone outta my pocket.

While paired an incoming text to my SE results in a pop-up window on my Mac's screen where I can view the text and then save it to the 'Notes:' field of the contact in AddressBook.

I've been told the iPhone can't do this, can it?

Well, you could just sit back in your favorite chair, use the nice 3.5" color screen and very efficient keyboard and do the same thing.

I'd take this anyday than waking my desktop, sitting at my desk and typing out SMS. Too much like work.

mpw
Jul 18, 2007, 08:48 PM
Well, you could just sit back in your favorite chair, use the nice 3.5" color screen and very efficient keyboard and do the same thing.

I'd take this anyday than waking my desktop, sitting at my desk and typing out SMS. Too much like work.
But I'm sat in my favourite chair already, watching porn on my MacBook. Way to much like work to stop, get up, go find my phone in my bag in the next room, send a text. I'll stick with useful BlueTooth and fully-featured phones thanks.

And I find the keyboard on my phone more efficient than the iPhone appears to be too.

dante@sisna.com
Jul 18, 2007, 11:39 PM
But I'm sat in my favourite chair already, watching porn on my MacBook. Way to much like work to stop, get up, go find my phone in my bag in the next room, send a text. I'll stick with useful BlueTooth and fully-featured phones thanks.

And I find the keyboard on my phone more efficient than the iPhone appears to be too.

Your Call, but I've had about 6 of those "full-featured" phones now (treo, Nokia, Blackberry, etc) and NONE of them hold a candle to the iPhone.

None.

mpw
Jul 19, 2007, 03:55 AM
...None.
What was it about the BlackBerry that you expected, but didn't get, and now get from the iPhone?

Yankees 4 Life
Jul 19, 2007, 07:35 AM
I have a Samsung UpStage, and it's the first cell phone I've liked. Of course, it's only my second cell phone. But it's verrrry thin (thinner than the iPhone), it's got a nice big screen on one side, and it's insanely light. I don't need a $600 iPhone when I can get something lighter that has everything I need for $80. :)

(And yes, I am trying to reassure myself.)

hey does anyone ever yell at you for talking to an mp3 player when your in the mall? that happened to my bro... lol . Buy an iPhone, you'll live much longer :)

nickd06
Jul 19, 2007, 10:57 PM
Couldm't say it better myself! One day people will realize that M$ just plain sucks and Mac is the only way to go.


It's interesting how people say they never liked their cellphone... until they got an iPhone. It's exactly the same for people who never liked their computer until they got a Mac. :)

uscmatt
Jul 20, 2007, 01:52 PM
after more than 2 weeks of use, I still find myself surfing the web on the iPhone in my apartment when I have a laptop 5 feet away. Strange huh? I think it has something to do with never having a cell phone act the way an iPhone does.

gkarris
Jul 20, 2007, 02:38 PM
My Mac is also a PowerPC 400 mHz G4 tower, and I absolutely can't stand it. It's so freaking slow that it's intolerable, and the stability just isn't there. Even running though it's running Tiger, and I like the OSX interface better than Windows, I can't find the applications I want to run, and can't even browse the Internet without Safari crashing. Firefox isn't much better. -jt2

Actually, how much memory do you have?

My friend's got a 400MHz G3 tower instead, and has 768 Megs RAM and it's fast. Granted he can't play MPEG4 vids on it, but he uses Adobe Creative Suite 2 just fine on it...

BornAgainMac
Jul 20, 2007, 03:43 PM
What was it about the BlackBerry that you expected, but didn't get, and now get from the iPhone?

The keyboard on my BlackBerry has multiple letters on each key. Sometimes you have to press the keytwice to get the letter you want. On the iPhone the keys are much easier to tap and each button has just one letter on it. It is much faster to type on the iPhone than the BlackBerry.

If you get a full size keyboard that they provide on the old BlackBerry then that problem goes away but then the form factor is too big.

Also on the iPhone you can tap anywhere in a line and a magnifying glass appears with a pointer so you can insert your cursor very preciously and edit your text.

Cleverboy
Jul 20, 2007, 08:05 PM
after more than 2 weeks of use, I still find myself surfing the web on the iPhone in my apartment when I have a laptop 5 feet away. Strange huh?Nope. You are not alone by any stretch of the imagination. Andy Ihnatko of the Chicago Sun Times was commenting on a trip he took, where he had the choice of leaving his bedroom and hooking up his laptop in order to get broadband... or dealing with EDGE on his iPhone, while visiting at a friends house over a weekend. He said iPhone/EDGE was enough to fit the bill. Eating out at lunch and reading MacRumors over EDGE, I totally agree.
I think it has something to do with never having a cell phone act the way an iPhone does.I have trouble thinking of it as a cellphone. I'll be in the middle of reading an article on the web or playing some video, and a call will come in, and I'll think... "Oh, yeah!" :)

~ CB