PS3 Sales on the rise in Japan

[GFLPraxis]

http://www.nintendoplayers.com/article.php?articleID=954

Tracking PS3 sales is pretty interesting. They've been consistently outselling Microsoft in Japan of course, but only because Microsoft generally sells with around a 1% marketshare.

The PS3 sold 11,914 this week in Japan. The XBox 360 sold 3,154. Neither of these are particularly impressive, but PS3 sales are sharply up; almost as much as the PS2 this week (16,000), but still less than half that of the PSP (32,000). For comparison, the DS sold almost 140,000, which is down from last week.

Are people buying more PS3's, or is this slight increase the result of the price drop (did that extend to Japan?). My Summer Vacation 3 was released in Japan today.

[Coded-Dude]

"I built a business plan [for Japan], but I don't think my expectations in Japan were anything close to what Sony's expectations are. They are failing. They're missing their plan by much more than I'm missing my plan."

Microsoft says otherwise: Sony's Business 'Crumbling' in Japan (http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=16809) :p

j/k


On a serious note, I don't think its the price drop, as their price was dropped at launch.
I think as more and more software gets released you will see more and more sales
(although a price drop always helps) ;)

[gloss]

I hope Folklore isn't another Nipponophile visual wankfest (a la Final Fantasy) - I'm really looking forward to having something nice, simple and elegant to play.

[GFLPraxis]

It must be the software then (as Ali mentioned in the article). It was #7 on the game charts, only PS3 title in the top ten.

The Microsoft article is...interesting...

Percentage-wise, Microsoft is right. Sony went from outselling the GameCube 4-to-1 to being outsold by the Wii 6-to-1. And Microsoft has increased their marketshare by over 10 times (I remember weeks in which the XBox sold under 100).

However, increasing a miniscule marketshare by 10x is still a lot less than a huge marketshare decreased. Microsoft has no right to be arrogant like that when Sony still outsells them 4-to-1 (although they should feel they are doing a tad better than they did last time).

[zap2]

Microsoft says otherwise: Sony's Business 'Crumbling' in Japan (http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=16809) :p

While funny, MS attacking others sales in Japan...but still Moore makes a good point.

Sony's home turf, Japan, they aren't doing too hot.

If MS started doing that in North America, they'd be forced to leave the hardware side of gaming

[2nyRiggz]

I think Mr. Moore needs to focus on those millions of Red eye 360s than sony increase in Japan.

As the software becomes avail the PS3 sales will increase just like the other consoles...slow start sure but the 3rd/1st party games will come to bring in the suck/good games.



Bless

[asxtb]

I've more or less said this in other threads.
Since I bought my PS3, everytime I go to my local store, there are a dozen Wiis sitting there but there is usually only 1 PS3 there at most. Sometimes 2, a 20GB and a 60GB. But that's it. They are all being bought.

[zap2]

I've more or less said this in other threads.
Since I bought my PS3, everytime I go to my local store, there are a dozen Wiis sitting there but there is usually only 1 PS3 there at most. Sometimes 2, a 20GB and a 60GB. But that's it. They are all being bought.

Are try to say PS3 is out selling Wii? Clearly we know this is false...


If not, why both saying what you did?

[SamIchi]

It's probably because people got tired to buyin new PS2's to replace their broken ones, and just decided to plop down the money for a PS3 :D

[asxtb]

Are try to say PS3 is out selling Wii? Clearly we know this is false...


If not, why both saying what you did?
No, I'm saying that from my perspective, PS3 sales are increasing while Wii sales are decreasing.

If my post troubles you so much, why bother replying?

[Dagless]

Whilst the PS3 and 360 battle it out for the acclaimed "2nd to last place" trophy, the PSP, Wii and DS sell in bucket loads.

[gloss]

No, I'm saying that from my perspective, PS3 sales are increasing while Wii sales are decreasing.

If my post troubles you so much, why bother replying?

Must be a regional thing. People are still camping out in the D.C. Metro area for Wiis.

[Dagless]

Definitely regional. Wii's still aren't in plentiful supply. If you want one you have to get up early in the morning. Quick online check at my nearest Argos tells me they have none in stock :o I don't get the Japan thing, I mean, they're selling extremely well out there. Best selling console at the moment.

[mkaake]

Definitely regional. Wii's still aren't in plentiful supply. If you want one you have to get up early in the morning. Quick online check at my nearest Argos tells me they have none in stock :o I don't get the Japan thing, I mean, they're selling extremely well out there. Best selling console at the moment.

I've been looking (though not camping), and since they were released, I've only ever (seriously) seen 2 Wii's for sale anywhere around me.

[MacRumorUser]

There seems to plentiful supply of them here in Co.Kerry

Argos, GameStop, Smyths Toys, Harvey Normans.... all have stock.

[gkarris]

Must be a regional thing. People are still camping out in the D.C. Metro area for Wiis.

Around Chicago you see them. You don't really know where or when they show. If you do see them, get one as the store sells out in about 24 hours...

[zap2]

No, I'm saying that from my perspective, PS3 sales are increasing while Wii sales are decreasing.

Hmm...well sales numbers aren't support that claim

[QUOTE=asxtb;3927768

If my post troubles you so much, why bother replying?[/QUOTE]
It doesn't trouble me...at all. I'm not sure where you got the idea that it did.

[takao]

some have lots of stock, others don't i think currently it's more a supply thing who has how many in stock for all consoles and also if chains want to have it since after all the summer months aren't known as the strongest sale months

on ps3 sales in japan: we might have to wait next weeks to see if it's an long term thing or just a 1 game spike which even the 360 had in japan every now and then

[madfuku]

The PS3 is a major embarrassment for us in Japan in my opinion (I am from Japan and Live in Fukuoka). I bought a PS3 hoping it was going to be some great device and it is now a speaker stand gathering dust.

Total garbage, our local stores from Yamada-Denki, ???????(Yodobashi-Camera), BEST and every major store has overstock of PS3's while WII's fly off the shelves.

Japanese who are real gamers are starting to come around to understand SONY dropped the ball on the PS3 and the XBOX 360 is clearly the better overall platform. AND, we still have barely any games here. A disaster.

I own all three systems here in Japan and even got my XBOX 360 to use the US XBOX Live and SONY has nothing on the XBOX 360.

And this is a Mac Forum I like to add that i even got an iphone :) fully working minus phone and it is amazing. Here's a pic of it next to my 3G high tech Japan phones which suck.

[Coded-Dude]

Japanese who are real gamers are starting to come around to understand SONY dropped the ball on the PS3 and the XBOX 360 is clearly the better overall platform.
Thats why 360's are flying off the shelves.......because its so much better. :p

Whats your biggest disappointment, besides lack of early content?

[madfuku]

Thats why 360's are flying off the shelves.......because its so much better. :p

Whats your biggest disappointment, besides lack of early content?

There is so many.

1. Lack of an XBOX Live type of community and marketplace
2. Price
3. Lack of Content totally sucks so far aside from Resistance
4. Big Size and Silly Shape
5. The inconsistent navigation and interfaces unlike XBOX 360

There's just so many. I even like my WII better than my PS3, though I admit I like playing mostly the classics on it. I really bought it for my GF to use.

The whole BluRay thing is silly to me. I never will buy a BluRay movie in Japan, it cost like $50 bucks or a HD-DVD movie for that matter I never seen them in Japan (HD-DVD).

I basically can get some really nice quality movies from XBOX Live if I really really need to have it in HD. Or pick it up from iTunes USA :) and view on AppleTV and my favorite, pick up TV shows we don't have in Japan or are many seasons behind via Bittorrent and dump it into iTunes to view on AppleTV.

[2nyRiggz]

There is so many.

1. Lack of an XBOX Live type of community and marketplace
>>Something thats being handled...home;)..should of been implemented from the start though
2. Price
>>You got me there:D
3. Lack of Content totally sucks so far aside from Resistance
>>Again something thats being handled...don't expect 100 epic games on a 8 month system
4. Big Size and Silly Shape
>>Which was/is the case with all of sony rev. A consoles...nothing new
5. The inconsistent navigation and interfaces unlike XBOX 360
>>I find the XMB a little better than the blades but both of them are weak at certain things



I won't touch the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray stuff...I really don't care about it or which format is the best. The PS3 has a lot of potential as well as the other consoles(none of them are reaching their potential in there first year)

Things will change sooner just like it did for the 360...I don't expect much of a console in its first year(maybe at least one good game)


Bless

[Coded-Dude]

1. Lack of an XBOX Live type of community and marketplace
HOME is in closed beta with open beta coming soon - patience ;)

2. Price
Overall costs(long-term and short-term) or just initial costs? - 360 can be more expensive in the long run
(replacing scratched games, shipping defective units back/forth, high priced accessories, LIVE subscription, etc.)

3. Lack of Content totally sucks so far aside from Resistance
I said besides lack of games......:p

once the PS3 has been out for a year and a half, see if you still have all the same complaints.

btw - PS3 will have VOD(streaming/downloading) very soon, and their library will probably be a bit larger than that of the 360.

[MacRumorUser]

I just wish they sort out the audio output with a firmware, so that I dont have to go through menu screens everytime I want to change from HDMI to Optical output. GIVE ME BOTH PLEASEEEEEEE :D

That's my only hardware grumble really, oh and give me back rumble in my pad. Other than that I think it's a sound piece of engineering.

Game wise, yes theres a bit of a drought, but like the Rigzster said, I have at least found more titles to play on it that appeal to me, than the wii has managed to provide so far.

[Coded-Dude]

Rumble is alleged to be released with the 80GB sku.....
(since we like to bank on rumors around here) ;)

Immerson's new Touch Sense technology

[Dagless]

once the PS3 has been out for a year and a half, see if you still have all the same complaints.

Gold. I've been waiting for you to say that! *adds to list of things we should wait for with PS3*

ahem,
Wait for Xmas, next few months, Motorstorm, Virtual Fighter 5, the next year, E3, Price drop, the next year and a half.

I think I know why 360 users are smug. They're actually playing games now, a great library so far and a few more super-anticipated titles coming out soon. Whilst the Sony folk just keep banging on about waiting.

Just wait for PS4, I suppose.

[Coded-Dude]

Becasue the Wii library is golden right now....:rolleyes:
and so was the 360 library after a mere 6 months of sales! :D

I'm just saying the "platinum" titles won't really start hitting shelves until the fall.

I guess Sony was spending all their time on making robust hardware rather than robust software in the beginning. :p

[sikkinixx]

*gives Raggedjimmi and Coded-Dude time out from one another*

[Coded-Dude]

:eek:

;)

I'm the first to admit there is currently a lack of games(not just on the PS3), but some people(not you in particular jimmi) seem to think that will be the case for the next 7 years. :confused:
I just don't understand that logic -- the games are coming (400 within the next calendar year for PlayStation brand alone)

Its a fair reason to hold off on a purchase, but is it a fair reason to say Sony completely dropped the ball or that their system is garbage?
(guess that depends on where your loyalty lies)

[madfuku]

I humbly apologize for Japan for putting out such a pile of garbage like the PS3. :D

Seriously, we are done here with the PS3, everyone is running to hide them somewhere so we don't have to admit SONY suckered us too.

But they are just so damn big, so inevitably a friend spots it and says, what the hell is that, and then starts laughing and rolling on the floor all the while pointing to the paperweight we call the PS3.

Are we there yet? a few more months son... then the PS3 will rock...

--
I am a true gamer, I loved my PS1 and PS2 and heck I have owned almost every console ever to be made even the SNK NEOGEO, I am even in the console capital of the planet, Japan, and guess what, I think I am being very objective. I am not speaking about something I don't own, and it isn't my first console.

I buy'em the moment they come out, I buy the best titles and a play them. I finished Resistance a few hours after I bought it, same with Gears of War a brilliant work. The PS3 is like no other console today. It is the unraveling of SONY, it is the point in time when SONY losses its edge and made some pretty bad decisions.

If you believe games will just flood in and surpass XBOX 360 or even gain near parity, I doubt it.
Even the Japanese game makers are complaining about the development tools for the PS3. I should see the games before you anyway as they are usually released here in Japan first.

If my shelves are empty in JapanLand yours will be empty for longer. Trust me, I am not happy about it but there comes a time when you gotta know what's going down, and today, SONY is going down.

[Dagless]

Twilight Princess, Wii Sports (Japan, since it isn't bundled there), Mario Strikers, WarioWare, Dragon Quest Swords (the second coming in Japan), Resident Evil 4, Paper Mario all seem to be doing pretty well!

I'd post games sales numbers but you'd probably retort with something else and the cycle would never end.

[Dagless]

I humbly apologize for Japan for putting out such a pile of garbage like the PS3. :D

It's okay :) you guys gave us the DS and Wii so you're not only balanced, but +1 up.

[sikkinixx]

Twilight Princess, Wii Sports (Japan, since it isn't bundled there), WarioWare, Dragon Quest Swords (the second coming in Japan), Resident Evil 4, Paper Mario all seem to be doing pretty well!



just have to add that the bolded games above, are Gamecube games with a fancy control scheme. Nintendo really suckered a lot of people into buying the Wii by abandoning the GC and porting it's big name games over to the Wii (me inlcuded :().

[Coded-Dude]

October/November/December is what I am waiting for(for both PS3 and Wii games)
After that(once 08 starts) we'll see a entourage of games for all systems, then what will we complain about?
(it runs too hot, its still ugly, I can't lift it without getting a hernia, etc.) :p

[GFLPraxis]

just have to add that the bolded games above, are Gamecube games with a fancy control scheme. Nintendo really suckered a lot of people into buying the Wii by abandoning the GC and porting it's big name games over to the Wii (me inlcuded :().

Does anyone remember the DS launch? N64 games like Mario 64 DS and Rayman DS with a virtual analog stick? Three or four GBA games with a touch screen added?


We'll see what happens by the end of the year. Wii has a huge library that's going to hit; I haven't seen as much from Sony, but they do at least have some AAA titles so we'll see what happens.

[zap2]

Nintendo really suckered a lot of people into buying the Wii by abandoning the GC and porting it's big name games over to the Wii (me inlcuded :().

The only game that did that, was Super Paper Mario(of the ones you listed) RE4 and LoZ:TP were out on the NGC.

And I think Super Paper Mario used the Wii Remote decently...could have been done with NGC controller, but not as well

[GFLPraxis]

Thats why 360's are flying off the shelves.......because its so much better. :p

You do have to consider that Microsoft's current sales are a HUGE improvement. The last two years of the XBox's life never had it selling more than 3 digits a week; generally 100-200 units a week. Now it's selling 10 times that, and every time a game like Blue Dragon comes out it spikes and remains higher.


Microsoft's reputation in Japan is dirt and Sony's is gold. Sony's is dropping rapidly and Microsoft is gaining some.

[sikkinixx]

The only game that did that, was Super Paper Mario(of the ones you listed) RE4 and LoZ:TP were out on the NGC.

And I think Super Paper Mario used the Wii Remote decently...could have been done with NGC controller, but not as well

Res 4 yeah since it was a re-release (just like rockstar is doing with Bully on 360/Wii), but they took out widescreen mode in TP for GC, plus delayed it a month (after delaying it for how long?) so they made it real clear which version was the preferred version (plus my cube was coughing up blood)

I just felt kinda ripped off... It would be like Sony holding off God of War II to put it on PS3 and adding some lame sixaxis thing into it.

Does anyone remember the DS launch? N64 games like Mario 64 DS and Rayman DS with a virtual analog stick? Three or four GBA games with a touch screen added?

does that justify it though? Seems to me many of the biggest name Wii games thus far have been mini-games (Wii Sports, Wario Ware, Mario Party 98453) and GC ports (RE4, SPB, TP) This Fall is gonna be great for Wii owners (personally it's just Mario Galaxy that is a must have) but this year has hardly been mind-blowing as of now.

[Coded-Dude]

"dropping rapidly"....:confused:
*re-reads thread title* :p

Price is killing sales, not much else - once that comes down a bit more and they have mo-betta titles on teh shelves, sales will increase even more. (quote me if you like)


Sony is taking the Ninty philosohpy, they are no longer banking on paying for exclusive 3rd party titles, but are more focused on their World Wide Studios and delivering incredible first party titles.

[EDIT]
Ed H. sends his greetings from JPN. :cool:

He says Wii's are in stock and available at most stores in akihabara.
However, DS lites sell out fast(and there are even lines for them in some places).

He also had a lot of trouble finding NG: Sigma for PS3 and PSP hardware accessories.
(Talkman was nowhere, and the Camera very hard to find)

Anywho, back on topic(PS3 sales increasing in Japan)

[zap2]

(just like rockstar is doing with Bully on 360/Wii)
.
But Bully will be getting updated graphics(Xbox 360, and hopefully Wii), new controller system(Wii) plus new levels...or content.

but they took out widescreen mode in TP for GC,


Bummer...that does suck.


It would be like Sony holding off God of War II to put it on PS3 and adding some lame sixaxis thing into it.
If Sixaxis was used the whole game(the motion part) Wii's control is a much bigger part of the system then PS3's is.




Still I see what you are saying.

[madfuku]

Microsoft's reputation in Japan is dirt and Sony's is gold. Sony's is dropping rapidly and Microsoft is gaining some.

This is very true. The gold on SONY is flaking off. Japanese sometimes are very narrow minded. Its kinda like you guys in the states who love Japanese cars so much, blind loyalty, for the life of me I don't know why.

In Japan we love them too, except, in Japan the most popular cars have less than 65hp. I don't think 65hp would cut it in America. But, that represents the overwhelming majority of new car sales in Japan. They are called k-cars.

I have, but most Japanese never sat behind anything that has more than 100hp. So they can't appreciate anything that comes from overseas, no way to develop any sense of perspective or an educated opinion. The same is true for the XBOX 360, since it ain't Japanese there instinct is to avoid it, not even try it on the store floor.

Seriously, people in Japan would just walk by and say its junk without ever even playing one game. SONY depends on this type of attitude in Japan, and Toyota on the aura of hyper-reliability. So Japan numbers mean nothing when you see a SONY PS3 sale because they don't represent anything but consumer loyalty to SONY and an instinct to buy Japanese.

We label everything here and I mean everything, with nation of origin. Even sections of stores are split between Japanese made products and "the others". Even food products, no matter how insignificant. I included a pic of some meat from my fridge, I know most of you can't read it, but the white text on the black block on the upper right says AMERICA. Meaning the origin of the beef is America. Its put there to discourage consumers from buying foreign products. In fact, Japanese news just keeps saying how dangerous American beef is and how nasty it taste, no kidding. But its mainly propaganda to encourage Japanese to buy more expensive domestic beef, and it works.

Sooo, when Microsoft sells an XBOX 360 it really does mean something. It means this person who has had so much exposure to Japanese consoles, and the PS3 and the Japanese instinct and education to by well Japanese, decided to break ranks. A very hard thing to do btw. It means they truly truly where impressed with the XBOX 360.

So sometimes, there is a little bit more to those numbers than meets the eye. There are very very very few in the Japanese press that say even one good thing about the XBOX. Most of this has to do with blind loyalty to Japanese brands.

In fact, Apple is being ripped apart in the Japanese press as junk with the iPhone and how Japanese phones are just light years ahead. The strategy is simple and effective initially and it makes Japanese feel good. But at the end of the day, the phone will arrive on our shores and like the iPod and XBOX 360, it will slowly eat away at the nonsense and be shown to be a pretty damn good product worthy of our attention.

[madfuku]

Man, Akihabara is Otaku territory, it does not represent anything real. Who goes there to buy anything other than tourist and people into cosplay :rolleyes:

Its like going to some electronics district in any major city and saying, gosh, this "SUPER DUPER BIG ASS ELECTRONICS STORE" is sold out here so it must be sold out in the whole damn country.

Nah, you have to look at the mainstream outlets that are found across Japan. Places that are like BestBuy in the USA, or Yamada Denki, Yodobashi Camera and BEST in Japan. If it's sold out outside AKIHABARA then you got something.

BTW, Akihabara is where technology goes to die. It is where Japanese companies test ideas. I worked for a short time for a product viability company. Products where dumped in Akihabara to test consumer interest and there viability outside of Japan. The companies that dropped the products had little interest in actually following through with the ideas. A suckers paradise that place.

[2nyRiggz]

XBOX 360, it will slowly eat away at the nonsense and be shown to be a pretty damn good product worthy of our attention.

Then in a suden rush of reality everyone will notice those worthy 360 failing from the red light special. What really makes you think the Sony console can't get enough good games going to keep this a 3 leg race? As I see it right now the console is in the same place the 360 was in 2005/2006 and look at it now(except the failing hardware)

Like the coded one said....calling death to a system before the ball gets rolling is wild. I guess there will be NO games coming to the PS3 at all and of course I know the other consoles have big ones as well but whats to say all of them won't get a share....I don't understand this logic of sony being shared out.

Sony share won't be as big as it was last time but to think they will fall off after establishing 3.5+ user base is wild.

I'm a true gamer as well....I really enjoy the PS3 and I don't see a failing system from my standpoint.


Note: If we can count the games on the system that are "good" then we really don't have none...:)...that goes to all consoles

Bless

[MacRumorUser]

An excellent and intelligent reply from first hand knowledgeable experience


Thank you madfuku. Your post was very interesting and highlights how sales figures can be misleading, and how cultural differences effect buying habbits.

A+++ for the post. :)

[madfuku]

Then in a suden rush of reality everyone will notice those worthy 360 failing from the red light special.

You gotta have selective memory because the PS1 and PS2 had high failure rates in Japan. In fact my PS2 was replaced 4 times here and my PSP lost a whole line of pixels out of the box not to mention the scratched disks. The store wouldn't replace it so I had to mail it to SONY and three weeks later they sent me a refurbished one.

That being said, I bought 3 XBOX 360's imported from US when they first launched and 1 failed and was replaced by MS for free and the other ones never had a problem. Not to mention that Microsoft has stepped up and extended warranties and refunded people who paid for repairs.

The PS3 has something like a 1% failure rate. So what, my XBOX 360 has thousands of hours of use over my PS3. MS is not perfect, hell if we look back a few years people said they wouldn't have gotten this far, and yet here it is.

In this gen of consoles there will be a winner and right now it is not SONY. When all those great games come out we will see. But, for now its a paperweight. I like to judge things that I can see, use and experience, what it will or can do is of little interest to me because I can just flip the argument over and say you know XBOX 360 can do a lot of new crap in the future too, and how about those future games! man they're gunna rock.

I gave SONY the benefit of the doubt right, I bought a PS3, I also gave MS a chance I bought a XBOX 360.

My XBOX 360 was never a paperweight incidentally, I always had some decent content. The reality is, it should have been Microsoft who sits in SONYs shoes right now not the other-way around, but things change.

I for one think SONY needs a swift kick in its ass. To me XBOX Live is the single most important feature of the XBOX 360 and Japanese have never been very good at building software. This is why Apple has devastated the Japanese mp3 market, no iTunes competitor.

You feel me? When the games come, I will buy them. But I ain't going to stick up for SONY and I ain't gunna bash Microsoft because there parts suppliers suck.

You know, my iMac G5 20" just failed, the power supply just died. Am I going to go all ape on Apple, nah man, the part supplier sucked, as a product evolves they change part suppliers to address issues. From what I understand, SONY is in the middle of downgrading parts to try to save on production costs, so your hopes might come true with a bunch of dead PS3's.

But then, I like to deal with reality and the reality is SONY ain't what it use to be.

[gloss]

Really interesting to read your posts, Fuku. Keep it up.

[Coded-Dude]

Microsoft because there parts suppliers suck.
MS said it is a design problem, not a supply problem.....but it is a liitle of both.
(depending on what your problem is) - scratched cd's = supplier; ROD = design

This is a 3rd gen home console from Sony, and they got it(the hardware) right this time.
They changed strategies with games(1st party worldwide studios instead of 3rd party exclusives) and we will see if that pays off, but you can bet theri hardware will stand the test of time.
I know its software that makes a system, but if MS problems continue - all the things that make people "anit-sony" may also have the same/similar bad taste from MS this gen.

But Like I've said before, the picture will be a lot clearer in 08/09. ;)

[bobber205]

When I finally buy into the next gen (after already having entered next gen .5 with the Wii ;) ) it will be a PS3 that I buy, not a 360.

It's a hard choice to make sure. But with all these failures and with my luck in hardware that I always seem to have (see: none), I think I would be better off getting a PS3.

I am a big fan of the JRPG, which the 360 won't have alot of. Shooters aren't my thing. Heck, I'm not even excited about Halo 3. FF XIII, that makes me sweat with joy.

Anyway, that's my two cents. :D

[Dagless]

Heck, I'm not even excited about Halo 3. FF XIII, that makes me sweat with joy.

Count me as the odd one out - I don't want either of them games :D recycled FPS on one hand, interactive soap opera on the other.

[bobber205]

Count me as the odd one out - I don't want either of them games :D recycled FPS on one hand, interactive soap opera on the other.

To each his own, but dude! How you SEEN the trailers?:eek:

[gloss]

I am a big fan of the JRPG, which the 360 won't have alot of. Shooters aren't my thing. Heck, I'm not even excited about Halo 3. FF XIII, that makes me sweat with joy.

Ironically, I'm far more interested in Eternal Sonata for the 360 than FFXIII. But Disgaea 3 has potential. I haven't played a truly great SRPG since Shining Force 3.

[e²Studios]

Man, Akihabara is Otaku territory, it does not represent anything real. Who goes there to buy anything other than tourist and people into cosplay :rolleyes:

Its like going to some electronics district in any major city and saying, gosh, this "SUPER DUPER BIG ASS ELECTRONICS STORE" is sold out here so it must be sold out in the whole damn country.

Nah, you have to look at the mainstream outlets that are found across Japan. Places that are like BestBuy in the USA, or Yamada Denki, Yodobashi Camera and BEST in Japan. If it's sold out outside AKIHABARA then you got something.

BTW, Akihabara is where technology goes to die. It is where Japanese companies test ideas. I worked for a short time for a product viability company. Products where dumped in Akihabara to test consumer interest and there viability outside of Japan. The companies that dropped the products had little interest in actually following through with the ideas. A suckers paradise that place.

It (Wii) was also in Stock in Yodobashi, and Bic in Shinjuku, Ginza (Bic), along with Kyoto (Both) ;) The Wii isnt hard to find in Japan, if you think it is then you aren't really looking. But I suppose all those locations are where things go to "die" too eh? :rolleyes:

DS Lites seem to fly off shelves but considering how transient the general population is with taking trains and all it makes sense.

PSP Accessories were a pain to find, I finally found the camera in Bic Shinjuku. NG Sigma was a pain to find too. However the Bic in Ginza was announcing they had Wii's the day i went there, the next day they still had plenty of stock.

The Japanese won't snub their nose at Sony and turn to MS, it won't happen ever. There is too much nationalistic pride along with other elements like the massive Playstation following that basically guarantee Sony sales over MS in Japan.

Those French Maid Cafes in Akiha were quite trippy...

Ed

[madfuku]

It (Wii) was also in Stock in Yodobashi, and Bic in Shinjuku, Ginza (Bic), along with Kyoto (Both) ;) The Wii isnt hard to find in Japan, if you think it is then you aren't really looking. But I suppose all those locations are where things go to "die" too eh? :rolleyes:

I never suggested the WII was particularly hard to find. I was simply stating that the PS3 isn't flying off the shelves and if it is in Akihabara it certainly is not in the rest of the country.

The Wii really has nothing to prove, it is selling very well. The only console that has some making up to do is the PS3. That was pretty much my point, again, I own a PS3.

The Japanese won't snub their nose at Sony and turn to MS, it won't happen ever. There is too much nationalistic pride along with other elements like the massive Playstation following that basically guarantee Sony sales over MS in Japan.

If you read my posts carefully, I already said that. How sad that the reasons are rooted in cultural ignorance rather than reality. But thanks for speaking for the Japanese anyway. I'm glad you have a pulse on what we are going to do next, how is Ishihara doing?

But, if us Japanese will "never" turn to MS, you know, they said that about the iPod. I am not turning to anyone, I am not a slave to brand, I don't drink that type of koolaide, I simply buy it all and pick a product I like better by using it.

But on that note, why do I have an XBOX and a bunch of Japanese buy them every single day? are those Japanese not Japanese? No, some people have a little more depth than that and it is truly sad to buy something mainly because its from any particular company. But on the other hand, that type of thinking is what eventually sink products and companies.

When people where singing the death of Apple I took a close hard look and bought Apple stock. You may be ecstatically investing in Toyota (its a great company, but it has serious flaws too). I on the other hand see it as a time to look at GM, it's not going to pack up and close its shutters, nor should it and much of its problems are not even related to the quality of its products or an inability to innovate, remember EV1?

It is not the end of SONY, I never said that nor meant to suggest it in anyway, but we are not in the middle of its best days and brighter days for SONY are further than brand loyalist want to believe, IMHO. So buy SONY, and enjoy, or buy whatever console you like if you feel its moving in the right direction for you.

Anyway, this is too deep of a discussion for this thread...

As for those Otaku maid outfits, they are certainly interesting to look at, but I prefer a woman with womanly features not a woman masquerading as a young child dressing in erotica. This is what you find in Akihabara, this is of course is the more benign things that you can find there as it gets astronomically more disturbing. I prefer not to think of Akihabara as the cultural center of Japan because it isn't. It certainly is the strangest place in Japan and some people like that. I simply am not one of them. But like I said, it brings in the tourist.

For those of you who are confused I included a picture or three.

[MacRumorUser]

it is truly sad to buy something mainly because its from any particular company. But on the other hand, that type of thinking is what eventually sink products and companies.

Agree 100% with that sentiment. It's a shame that some people biggest concern is the brand name, rather than the actual goods. That they will then form negative opinions based on nothing but ignorance simply because a device carries an alternative brand.

And you are also right. It's that kind of stupid loyality that causes a company like Sony to become so utterly complacent and lose focus of what consumer's actually want.

Ignorant silly people = Ignorant silly company.
Arrogance and contempt breeds nothing but the same arrogance & contempt.

[Dagless]

Firstly, Madfuku your posts are excellent.

And to MRU, well, brands are important. I think twice about buying anything from Sony because 100% of Sony's products I have bought in the past decade have had some fault with them. And recently I can say the same for Microsoft (Habu mouse broke, 360 controller left shoulder "bumper" not working, red ring 360).
On the other hand Nintendo, Apple, IBM, Dell, Roland and Gibson have never shipped me problematic goods (save for the hinge problem, which they shipped me brand new units each time). I feel confident buying them.

Trust & confidence leads to brand loyalty. Lack of loyalty or experience leads to trepidation.

[gloss]

Heh, madfuku. My friends and I totally walked into a Cosplay Cafe in Akihabara by accident. That was an extremely awkward moment. I think every single person in there turned and looked at us until we quietly backed out.

Yikes.

[2nyRiggz]

Agree 100% with that sentiment. It's a shame that some people biggest concern is the brand name, rather than the actual goods. That they will then form negative opinions based on nothing but ignorance simply because a device carries an alternative brand.


This is so spot on in so many ways.

and enjoy, or buy whatever console you like if you feel its moving in the right direction for you.

I agree with you here...buy what you like not what people like. If you feel a console(s) is giving you what you want then by all means go ahead buy it and enjoy it.....but this moves it into a whole new place...a place where if a person buys it he wants everyone else to get it so in doing so he/she degrades the other brand just because...it all connects and I'm hungry.

Note: Those dolls scare me.

Bless

[madfuku]

Heh, madfuku. My friends and I totally walked into a Cosplay Cafe in Akihabara by accident. That was an extremely awkward moment. I think every single person in there turned and looked at us until we quietly backed out.

Oh that must of sucked. I assume your not Japanese so it must have been extra fun. When I lived in Tokyo (man like over 9 years ago) I dated a girl who was addicted to cosplay. I went to this cosplay party with her and I just sat back dumbfounded. I knew then that it simply wasn't something I could roll with and I changed up my GF while I was at it. Then the Otaku explosion happened...

I lived in New York City (three blocks from WTC on 9/11), London, Paris, Beijing and Hamburg and now I am full circle from Japan back to Japan in now Kyushu (south western Japan) in a city named Fukuoka. I do shuttle into Tokyo too may times than I care to admit.

[MacRumorUser]

On the other hand Nintendo, Apple, IBM, Dell, Roland and Gibson have never shipped me problematic goods (save for the hinge problem, which they shipped me brand new units each time). I feel confident buying them.

I'm fixing at least 1 Dell PC per week

I've had loads of problems with my Apple computers - Our 2 macbooks have had LCD screens and logic boards replaced. My 15" 1.6ghz powerbook had the lines on the screen issue, My G5 powermac had 3 major repairs and eventually died just before it's 3rd year.

We have a load of Roland, Korg and others; equipment pack in on us, after all we do have a recording studio, and a video studio - so we see a lot of this type of equipment and are usually quick to adopt new tech & devices

A lot of our Sony Pro camera equipment that has screwed up too, and a lot of the time it has cost a lot of money to repair.


However do I now say to people never buy Dell ? Do I stay away from Apple computers ? Will we stop using anything by Roland etc.. in the future? Do I think all Sony equipment is doomed to failure and should not be touched ?

NO of course not.

I have enough 'cop on' to realise that hardware fails at times and some really do have flaws - which only become obvious given time and experience.


I stick by my earlier statement

Ignorant silly people = Ignorant silly companies.
Arrogance and contempt breeds nothing but the same arrogance & contempt.

[Dagless]

Count me lucky then :D Even back at college the only part of an Apple computer that would break was the keyboard/mouse. *shrugs*


Either way, I trust brands that are trustworthy and stay clear of ones that aren't. In the case of MS I won't be throwing a penny at them until they clear up their mess. I can't believe I spent £45 on a high-end gaming mouse only to have it break and nobody to take the blame. Logitech took full responsibility when my last mouse broke and sent me a new one. The awesome people.

[takao]

Habu mouse broke

that's because the habu is made by Razr ;)
and we all know that quality confidence can't be high with a company's product if their warranty goes from "life long free replacement policy" to "1 year" gradually like it did with Razr

that's why i always smile seeing 15 year olds buying their stuff for the little "i'm so hardcore-gamer" feeling

on sony and arrogance: a little arrogance might be import to bring over confidence i ntheir product but with sony it got worse and worse over the last years not only in the new playstation part but also in others like the camera division: the arrogance in keeping the memory stick only instead including SD killed every 5th sale and the high pricing, just for the hell of it not because the stuff was that expensive to produce
and of course "our product quality is so good we don't need an service department in austria" (that is an actual sony quote) .. instead they drove products to the netherlands or even UK for repairing

yeah i actually worked for sony (mostly promotion works): since then my opinion about them hasn't been that good

sony i got news for you: in terms of customer products you're last shining beacon were your CRT computer screens and TVs (even rivaling the german CRTs of the 70ties and 80ties) and small hifi systems around 10 years ago

[Dagless]

That's the beauty of the situation -- the shop doesn't care, Microsoft tell me to contact Razer and Razer tell me to contact Microsoft!
As it's also my first Razer product I'll likely never buy from them again. Back to Logitech :)

On the other side of things, I accidentally damaged my Dell monitor (the stand fell onto the display whilst in the car) yet along came Dell and replaced it with not only a new unit, but an entirely new model. 2005fwp to the 2007 model.
Might just be luck again :D

[MacRumorUser]

On the other side of things, I accidentally damaged my Dell monitor (the stand fell onto the display whilst in the car) yet along came Dell and replaced it with not only a new unit, but an entirely new model. 2005fwp to the 2007 model.
Might just be luck again :D


No Dell and monitors are very good in my experience too when it comes to service. I even have a Dell LCD TV and they have replaced that three times no quibbles next day.

[Dagless]

Huzzah for Dell :D

*braces*

[gkarris]

No Dell and monitors are very good in my experience too when it comes to service. I even have a Dell LCD TV and they have replaced that three times no quibbles next day.

Here we go with the Dell stuff again...

If Dell is so good, why did you have to replace it 3 times???

[gloss]

Oh that must of sucked. I assume your not Japanese so it must have been extra fun. When I lived in Tokyo (man like over 9 years ago) I dated a girl who was addicted to cosplay. I went to this cosplay party with her and I just sat back dumbfounded. I knew then that it simply wasn't something I could roll with and I changed up my GF while I was at it. Then the Otaku explosion happened...

I lived in New York City (three blocks from WTC on 9/11), London, Paris, Beijing and Hamburg and now I am full circle from Japan back to Japan in now Kyushu (south western Japan) in a city named Fukuoka. I do shuttle into Tokyo too may times than I care to admit.

Sounds like a fun time. We didn't have any other particularly weird experiences, except for staying at a fantastic internet cafe in Shinjuku and being wedged between a guy who played Lineage II (as a female) for like six hours and did NOTHING but sit in a circle with a bunch of other people and chat and another guy who was wanking to porn in the corner. I guess that since that was the weirdest thing we came across, and okonomiyaki the best, the balance of the trip was good times.

As weird as the trip was, and if I wasn't so averse to learning to speak (read/write) the language, I'd love to live in Japan one day. It's a very pleasant place to be a foreigner. Even their mild xenophobia is sort of charming.

If I were a native, though, I think I'd be eager to get out. The best part of being a gaijin (an American, no less) is that people just assume you're going to be rude, forthright, independent-minded, etc etc. I know it's an entirely different proposition if you're actually Japanese.

[MacRumorUser]

Here we go with the Dell stuff again...

If Dell is so good, why did you have to replace it 3 times???

I meant their customer service in regards to monitors :rolleyes:

The fact they changed the monitor for 1 dead pixel was good.

Apple would not do the same when my at the time £1200 20" ACD (the previous style) had 1 dead pixel.

The fact that they sent out a replacement and the same people collected within 24 hours and I'm in the middle of nowhere in rural Ireland.

The fact that Apple don't offer me a similar service even with Apple Care here.

The fact that the telephone call to Dell customer support was actually to someone in Ireland who spoke English and within 10 minutes the replacement was organised...

Unlike Apple where your put through to India with people who struggle to understand anything your saying and read off the basic reset p-ram crap even though you've already explained that you've done that. After an agonising 40 minutes or more on the phone to get a case id, and then you still have to arrange to send your machine upto the repair center here, because they do not have anyone who comes out to you in Ireland. It's bloody painful dealing with Apple here in Ireland, even though their European HQ is located here.


So yes - in regards to Dell and monitors - I think they are very good.

Are you happy now Mr. Pedantic ? :p

[gkarris]

I meant their customer service in regards to monitors :rolleyes:

Unlike Apple where your put through to India with people who struggle to understand anything your saying and read off the basic reset p-ram crap even though you've already explained that you've done that. After an agonising 40 minutes or more on the phone to get a case id, and then you still have to arrange to send your machine upto the repair center here, because they do not have anyone who comes out to you in Ireland. It's bloody painful dealing with Apple here in Ireland, even though their European HQ is located here.


So yes - in regards to Dell and monitors - I think they are very good.

Are you happy now Mr. Pedantic ? :p

Oh, you're in Europe...

Here in the US, it's opposite. Apple Customer Care is either in Texas or in Canada.

Dell Customer Service gets you to India...

I'm an American boy so I don't know who Mr. Pedantic is.

The ever popular Dell complaint site has users now having massive problems with their monitors (I have an older Dell LCD and it's fine).

Cheers to you across the "pond". The secret is to find good customer service these days...

[MacRumorUser]

Oh, you're in Europe...

^ Sorry, yeah I'm in Ireland.

What's weird here is that both Dell & Apple's European HQ's are both in Ireland. In fact Apple is based in the next county 'Cork'. And yet the difference they offer in customer service is worlds apart.



I'm an American boy so I don't know who Mr. Pedantic is

Mr. Pedantic ? Guess you don't know who Mr. Sarcastic is either :D

[pionata]

The Wii is doing really well, but its aiming at a mass market, its for kids. It has a market on its own.

The ps3 is still sold as a lost, so all they have to do is produce enough of those consoles to gather a descent user base until their cell optimized games come out in september and everyone goes craze. Sony has record profit for this year, they know what they are doing and cannot lose anything in the long run. They have over 10 strong exclusives coming soon, some deal with Epic, they will get Guild Wars 2 etc.

As for microsoft, it has some good games but they are limited to an American market and things are not going so well:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6175367.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;title;9

[Dagless]

The Wii is doing really well, but its aiming at a mass market, its for kids. It has a market on its own.

Games consoles by definition are for kids. Or, according to LIVE magazine - "games are for the emotionally immature".

[MacRumorUser]

As for microsoft, it has some good games but they are limited to an American market and things are not going so well:

Damn that's a pity. I guess you forgot all about Europe. :rolleyes:

You know it's this big continent made up of a lot of countries. I understand that teaching geography doesn't feature highly on school syllabus's these days; but you may want to open up your horizons a little ;)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Europe_satellite_globe.jpg/250px-Europe_satellite_globe.jpg

Europe is one of the seven traditional continents of the Earth. Physically and geologically, Europe is the westernmost peninsula of Eurasia, west of Asia. Europe is bounded to the north by the Arctic Ocean, to the west by the Atlantic Ocean, to the south by the Mediterranean Sea, to the southeast by the Caucasus Mountains and the Black Sea and the waterways connecting the Black Sea to the Mediterranean. To the east, Europe is generally divided from Asia by the water divide of the Ural Mountains, the Ural River, and by the Caspian Sea.

Europe is the world's second-smallest continent in terms of area, covering about 10,180,000 square kilometres (3,930,000 sq mi) or 2.0% of the Earth's surface. The only continent smaller than Europe is Australia. It is the third most populous continent (after Asia and Africa) with a population of 710,000,000 or about 11% of the world's population. Europe's overall population density is one of the highest in the world.

That's right. Europe has a bigger population than that of America.

The 360 is very popular over here. Far more so than the PS3. Even here in Ireland in paticular, where Sony used to reign supreme (the highest PS2 ownership per populace outside of Japan) the PS3 has failed to ignite the flames of enthusiasm. Sony have missed the ball big time.

Yes the PS3 represents great value for money as a BluRay player, and has nifty media card slots, ....... but it's a frickin 'games' console and at the end of the day - they mean jack didly squat to the vast majority of the gaming audience.

So they do not see €630 as a fair price for high tech equipment, they see a games console €250 over priced.



so all they have to do is produce enough of those consoles to gather a descent user base until their cell optimized games come out in september and everyone goes craze.

bless.... If you honestly believe that in September all of a sudden the magic of the supposed 'Cell' will be unlocked, then I truly congratulate you for your vivid imagination and noble belief in a lost cause.

Just has the untapped power of the emotion engine never materialised, the hype around the 'Cell' is only matched by the naievity of those that truly believe in the mass marketing hyperbole that accompanies it.

[Dagless]

MRU you should have worked at Sony during the whole Worldwide launch disaster.

Yurp? Where's that?

[Coded-Dude]

PS3 titles fill Japan's top 5 most wanted games

Last week, the PS3 broke through the 1 million sales barrier in Japan, proving that at the very least, Japanese gamers don’t hate the PS3 as much as the Xbox 360, no matter what Peter Moore thinks. Or, thought – now that he’s moved on to EA, presumably all he’s allowed to think about is prophetic visions of the future of EA Sports, highlights of which include FIFA 2017 (a dramatic improvement over the flawed FIFA 2012-2016 series) and Madden NFL 2291… Scary.

Err, anyway – Famitsu’s list of the top 20 most wanted games in Japan is going to give Sony some extra breathing space, seeing as four out of the top five are PS3 titles. Final Fantasy XIII, Biohazard (that’s Resident Evil to you and me) 5, Monster Hunter 3 and Metal Gear Solid 4 were only beaten to the top spot by Dragon Quest IX for the DS.

Interestingly, despite the huge popularity of the Wii in the region, very few of the top 20 are actually Wii titles. Looks like the Wii’s reign might just be starting tremble in the face of Sony’s strong line-up of forthcoming titles. Full top twenty list is available on the turn.

1. (1 / 1) Dragon Quest IX NDS Square Enix 2.417
2. (2 / 2) Final Fantasy XIII PS3 Square Enix 2.101
3. (3 / 3) Biohazard 5 PS3 Capcom 1.549
4. (5 / 6) Monster Hunter 3 PS3 Capcom 1.117
5. (4 / 4) Metal Gear Solid 4 PS3 Konami 1.028
6. (6 / 7) Super Smash Bros. Brawl Wii Nintendo 839
7. (8 / 8) Everybody’s Golf 5 PS3 Sony 761
8. (9 /11) Lost Odyssey Xbox 360 Microsoft 702
9. (10/ 9) Crisis Core Final Fantasy VII PSP Square Enix 694
10. (13/16) Doubutsu no Mori [Animal Crossing] Wii Nintendo 575
11. (14/10) Zelda no Densetsu: Phantom Hourglass NDS Nintendo 533
12. (16/14) Final Fantasy IV NDS Square Enix 526
13. (16/13) Subarashiki Kono Sekai: It’s a Wonderful World NDS Square Enix 517
14. (20/18) Super Mario Galaxy Wii Nintendo 514
15. (17/15) Final Fantasy Versus XIII PS3 Square Enix 499
16. (11/12) Devil May Cry 4 PS3 Capcom 493
17. (12/22) Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 14 PS2 Konami 438
18. (15/17) Gran Turismo 5 PS3 Sony 394
19. (19/21) Halo 3 Xbox 360 Microsoft 369
20. (21/19) Layton Kyouju to Akuma no Hako NDS Level 5 366

In other news: Sales for the Xbox 360 fell 60 percent in year-to-year sales, the company announced this week.
The 360 moved 700,000 units in the fiscal fourth quarter. I guess more people are annoyed with MS than Sony.

[takao]

the famitsu list is only worth a bit in the hardcore market.. it's exactly like looking at 1up or ign for their most anticipated titles ... their readers send in their msot awaited lists

for example there have been titles which were under the top 3 for most of development and then barley sold 300k

meanwhile during the last week the wii sold 100k and the ps3 14k and the 360 perhaps 3k

after all blue dragon was number 2

[Dagless]

Lol, oh right, so it's a "most wanted list".

Come back with information with substance.

Looks like the Wii’s reign might just be starting tremble in the face of Sony’s strong line-up of forthcoming titles.
Who put that in there? I'd like to put a name to the funniest thing I've read since "DS will fail".

[Coded-Dude]

lol, oh right, so those top five games are not gonna be top sellers. :rolleyes:

[gloss]

lol, oh right, so those top five games are not gonna be top sellers. :rolleyes:

Perhaps so, but a top seller for the PS3 < a top seller for the Wii.

[ChrisK018]

^Hooray for predictable sequels for all platforms. Once Sony's run out we'll get excited for all of Nintendo's cash cows.

[Dagless]

Who said anything about them not being top sellers? :confused: no, really?

I suppose if you're talking into predictions into account then why not link to sites like http://nexgenwars.com/? Apparently the PS3 is destined for 19% market share.

[Coded-Dude]

^^which ones?
Mario Kart 17, Zelda XXX, Pokemon 33 1/3, and some single player SSBB. :p

I think you guys somehwat underestimate some of Sony's upcoming software titles.
Wii may own the hardware market, but the JPN top ten list will start to go back and forth very soon.

[GFLPraxis]

^^which ones?
Mario Kart 17, Zelda XXX, Pokemon 33 1/3, and some single player SSBB. :p

I think you guys somehwat underestimate some of Sony's upcoming software titles.

Right, Final Fantasy 32.6 and Metal Gear Solid 14? Use your own reasoning :rolleyes:


Also, some of your comparisons are ridiculous. There has been one Mario Kart per Nintendo console since the SNES- ONE. That's four total (SNES, GBA, N64, DS). And single player SSBB? SSBB has been confirmed to be online on at least three-four different occasions, including on stage by Satoru Iwata himself, as well as by the director. There are not even rumors about it not having online play, just some people getting overly upset over the Metroid thing. EVERYONE at Nintendo says Brawl is online.

[Antares]

^^which ones?
Mario Kart 17, Zelda XXX, Pokemon 33 1/3, and some single player SSBB. :p


Oooh! Zelda XXX? Now you're talking! :D

[Coded-Dude]

@ Praxis - just following the same satirical posting theme you guys are......

[GFLPraxis]

1. (1 / 1) Dragon Quest IX NDS Square Enix 2.417
2. (2 / 2) Final Fantasy XIII PS3 Square Enix 2.101
3. (3 / 3) Biohazard 5 PS3 Capcom 1.549
4. (5 / 6) Monster Hunter 3 PS3 Capcom 1.117
5. (4 / 4) Metal Gear Solid 4 PS3 Konami 1.028
6. (6 / 7) Super Smash Bros. Brawl Wii Nintendo 839
7. (8 / 8) Everybody’s Golf 5 PS3 Sony 761
8. (9 /11) Lost Odyssey Xbox 360 Microsoft 702
9. (10/ 9) Crisis Core Final Fantasy VII PSP Square Enix 694
10. (13/16) Doubutsu no Mori [Animal Crossing] Wii Nintendo 575
11. (14/10) Zelda no Densetsu: Phantom Hourglass NDS Nintendo 533
12. (16/14) Final Fantasy IV NDS Square Enix 526
13. (16/13) Subarashiki Kono Sekai: It’s a Wonderful World NDS Square Enix 517
14. (20/18) Super Mario Galaxy Wii Nintendo 514
15. (17/15) Final Fantasy Versus XIII PS3 Square Enix 499
16. (11/12) Devil May Cry 4 PS3 Capcom 493
17. (12/22) Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 14 PS2 Konami 438
18. (15/17) Gran Turismo 5 PS3 Sony 394
19. (19/21) Halo 3 Xbox 360 Microsoft 369
20. (21/19) Layton Kyouju to Akuma no Hako NDS Level 5 366

In other news: Sales for the Xbox 360 fell 60 percent in year-to-year sales, the company announced this week.
The 360 moved 700,000 units in the fiscal fourth quarter. I guess more people are annoyed with MS than Sony.

Unfortunately, the most wanted list and the actual sales list differ vastly.
This week's game sales:
http://www.nintendoplayers.com/article.php?articleID=960

The first non-Nintendo platform game is a PS2 game (Super Robot Wars) in place #14. No PS3 on the list, nor 360, nor PSP.


Nintendo dominates Japan, Sony can only sell the PSP and PS2 in significant numbers (PS3 is still below the GameCube's weekly numbers from this point in time).

[Coded-Dude]

Wow Praxis, your perception knows no bounds. :p

That was my point. For all the complainers/naysayers who are bitching about lack of games......this list begins to shed some light on the issue. Currently, there aren't many PS3 games that were highly anticipated(hence current sales trends), but they are starting to show up. Once they do, the top 10 sales charts will see some changes. I think DS will still have a dominant presence on the list, but the Wii and PS3 will begin to go back and forth(depending on whats being released). But that all starts very VERY soon.

[gloss]

Wow Praxis, your perception knows no bounds. :p

That was my point. For all the complainers/naysayers who are bitching about lack of games......this list begins to shed some light on the issue. Currently, there aren't many PS3 games that were highly anticipated(hence current sales trends), but they are starting to show up. Once they do, the top 10 sales charts will see some changes. I think DS will still have a dominant presence on the list, but the Wii and PS3 will begin to go back and forth(depending on whats being released). But that all starts very VERY soon.

That might happen if there were, you know, as many PS3s in Japan as Wiis. But it stands to reason, given the huge gap in units (3:1, and increasing), that the best-selling game on the PS3 won't move as many copies as even a pretty-good-selling Wii title.

[Coded-Dude]

Agreed that, because of user base, Wii games will probably have more staying power in the top 10, but the top spots will definitely be going back and forth. Ninja Gaiden Sigma opened up at number 3, but due to hard to find stock and low install base, sales the following week fell off(more so than say Wii Sports/Play).

[Dagless]

http://images.redial.net/mc-LTD-33.jpg

It's going to take something groundbreaking (and by that I don't mean anything we've seen so far at E3's and the like) for anything to remotely touch the Wii from here on. PS3 sales on rise, 360 almost stagnating, Wii... well.

[Coded-Dude]

I can't see too much coming out for 360 that would cause a dramatic surge.......
IMHO it will stay rather stagnant.

PS3 is the best bet, but needs at least 2 more price drops and a plethora of titles to gain any kind of noticeable ground. The Japanese market will be Wii dominant for the next 2-3 years easy. Unless of course something unexpected happens.

[GFLPraxis]

I can't see too much coming out for 360 that would cause a dramatic surge.......
IMHO it will stay rather stagnant.

PS3 is the best bet, but needs at least 2 more price drops and a plethora of titles to gain any kind of noticeable ground. The Japanese market will be Wii dominant for the next 2-3 years easy. Unless of course something unexpected happens.

Square Enix has a number of multiplatform exclusives in the works, IIRC, including one with the Unreal 3 engine.

So few people have bought either system that it could swing around. I doubt the 360 will dominate but it might achieve GameCube-level sales in its lifespan IF Microsoft can keep grabbing exclusives like Blue Dragon.

[Coded-Dude]

multiplatform exclusives:confused: oxymoron?

[sikkinixx]

aren't the only people who care about all this insecure fanboys?

Every thread is the same god damn thing... Can't we move on to something different for **** sake?! Or are we doomed to hear about how sony is teh d00med and Nintendo is the best thing since sliced bread until our ears bleed?

[Dagless]

Come on now, SDF have been rubbing their figures around for the past 2 gens and you complain when we're a year into Nintendo's winning gen? :rolleyes:

ps. As a gamer I don't care much, but as a dev looking into which system I should start developing for I find it very important.

[bobber205]

Come on now, SDF have been rubbing their figures around for the past 2 gens and you complain when we're a year into Nintendo's winning gen? :rolleyes:

ps. As a gamer I don't care much, but as a dev looking into which system I should start developing for I find it very important.

Just because you're on MR, I'll base my Next gen besides Wii purchase on you! Which one will it be?!

[bobber205]

http://images.redial.net/mc-LTD-33.jpg

It's going to take something groundbreaking (and by that I don't mean anything we've seen so far at E3's and the like) for anything to remotely touch the Wii from here on. PS3 sales on rise, 360 almost stagnating, Wii... well.

http://www.playwithlinn.com/Images/funny&#37;20pics/oh%20snap.jpg

[GFLPraxis]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a181/vehn23/hahaiseewhatudidthere.jpg

[Coded-Dude]

rofl....

[MacRumorUser]

I can't see too much coming out for 360 that would cause a dramatic surge.......

A quick look at the release radar I can see toooooo many games.


August.

BioShock
BlueDragon
TwoWorlds
Madden 2008
Too Human
Stuntman Ignition
Blazing Angels 2
Moto GP 2007

September.

John Woos : StrangleHold
Fatal Inertia
CliveBarker - Jerhico
Juiced 2
Orochi Warriors
HALO 3
Alan Wake
Sega Rally
Ace Combat 6
TimeShift
Virtua Fighter 5 (with online :p)
Kane & Lynch Dead Men
Blacksite 21
Hellboy
Army of Two


October.

Frontlines - Fuel of War
GTA IV
Naruto
Banjo Kazooie


November.

Bladestorm
Assasins Creed
Project Gotham Racing 4
MASS EFFECT
Alone in the Dark
Brother in Arms : Hells Highway
SplinterCell - Conviction

[Dagless]

IMO the remainder of 2007 is going to be the 360's golden hour. Some games I'm interested in there :eek:

[2nyRiggz]

Is Alan Wake and Splinter Cell really coming out this year? I find it hard to believe titles that are on the calander for this year will comeout without a preview of a demo or some sort of gameplay trailer at least.

I'm in doubt here about these two but yeah strong showing from the 360...not as strong as the PS3 IMO though(half of em are the same damn thing anyway).



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[Dagless]

I'm in doubt here about these two but yeah strong showing from the 360...not as strong as the PS3 IMO though(half of em are the same damn thing anyway).

As opposed to the completely original lineup on the PS3? :confused:

[MacRumorUser]

Is Alan Wake and Splinter Cell really coming out this year? I find it hard to believe titles that are on the calander for this year will comeout without a preview of a demo or some sort of gameplay trailer at least.

Splinter Cell - definetly this year
Alan Wake - Q4 2007, I bet it hits at October / November in time for Halloween or Xmas

[MacRumorUser]

Splinter Cell - definetly this year
Alan Wake - Q4 2007, I bet it hits at October / November in time for Halloween or Xmas

Ignore me... SC had just been put back to Q4 fiscal which is Jan - March 08 :rolleyes:

[2nyRiggz]

As opposed to the completely original lineup on the PS3? :confused:

Ummm I'm talking about the same game coming to the PS3/xbox 360. All the 3rd party games are on both system.....what are you attacking me for exactly...its a non biased statment.


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[bobber205]

Ignore me... SC had just been put back to Q4 fiscal which is Jan - March 08 :rolleyes:
Whew. I thought for a sec you were talking about StarCraft ;)

[MacRumorUser]

Whew. I thought for a sec you were talking about StarCraft ;)

No that's not coming out on mac or pc at all now. They are making it for the WonderSwan ;):D:p