Apple Trademarks Lynx, Cougar, Leopard, Tiger and More...

[MacRumors]

It appears that Apple filed (http://www.uspto.gov/) a number of new trademarks in early July.

Apple has added Lynx, Cougar, Leopard, and Tiger to their collection of trademarks, under the common category of "computers; computer software; computer operating system software".

This may suggest that Apple will be continuing on their recent spree of naming major Mac OS X releases after members of the feline family.

Apple has also registered two other graphical trademarks. Firewire 1394 Compliant (http://tess2.uspto.gov/webaka/images/78136007.gif) and AU (http://tess2.uspto.gov/webaka/images/78269492.gif).

[ZildjianKX]

Meow...

[herocero]

what is AU?

[Natron]

I like it.

Fits with the 10.9 being the ninth life...like cats...nine lives...cats...yea...

I can see 10.9 Lion - The King of the Jungle.

Well crap, 10.0-10.9 would be 10 lives. Stupid math.

[DanUk2003]

I really like the way Apple has used these names for O/S titles...

It certainly beats WindozeXP(Xperience)

[Nermal]

Is the text "AU" actually mentioned somewhere, or just the graphic? When I looked at the graphic, I saw it more as "AV" (with rounded edges) rather than "AU".

[MacBandit]

Kind of funny they're going to reuse one cat twice. They've already used Puma and now they have Cougar registered. They're the same cat just a different regional name used here in the US.

[arn]

The trademark says "AU"

I didn't link it directly, because the links time-out.

I don't know exactly what AU stands for. I thought maybe Audio Units... but looking around, nothing bears that icon.

arn

[stefman]

Originally posted by DanUk2003
I really like the way Apple has used these names for O/S titles...

It certainly beats WindozeXP(Xperience)

Yeah, like at SJ's WWDC keynote where he showed a black panther and then a "cow" eating grass (symbolizing MS Longhorn).

It was quite nice!!

[Sol]

Originally posted by herocero
what is AU?

AU means Audio Units which is the name of the sound engine in OS X.

As for the feline names, I think Apple is on to a good thing; better than naming the operating system after a cow or bull, or whatever a 'Longhorn' is supposed to be.

Maybe if Apple ever makes a cut-down OS X for portable devices they could name it after domestic cats, for example, Siamese, Persian, Minx, etc.

The cat theme can even be integrated in the system sounds. Perhaps the start-up chime of Macs can be replaced with a roaring panther, jaguar, cougar, etc.

[elmimmo]

So now I guess, lynx, the web browser ("computer software") will have to change its name ¬_¬'

I do not think so...

[mac15]

cats names sure blow the pants of M$ longhorn...... or even XPerience. Yeah a piss poor experience for anyone whos ever used XP

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by elmimmo
So now I guess, lynx, the web browser ("computer software") will have to change its name ¬_¬'

I do not think so...

Lynx has also been used for other products. I think Apple can get away with it because it's a non competitive product. That's how come they can use Mac OSX even though OSX is another operating system all together. They were able to get away with it as long as they kepth the Mac in front of OSX.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by mac15
cats names sure blow the pants of M$ longhorn...... or even XPerience. Yeah a piss poor experience for anyone whos ever used XP

All the recent names for Microsoft operating systems come from the Whistler/Black Comb ski area in British Columbia. Longhorn is the name of a a bar in a town near the ski areas.

But I stray off tract. Yes, the cat names are much better then the WinBloze names.

[maradong]

;-)
i m already waiting for it , * all the different and new os es*
;-)

[SeaFox]

I think I heard that 10.4 was going to be the Cougar.

[Art Vandelay]

This is the actual Audio Units logo.

http://a772.g.akamai.net/7/772/51/0e7962b78260ae/www.apple.com/soundtrack/images/indexau_071603.gif

[Pancake]

What about the Atari Lynx portable game system. Does that count as a "computer"? Would anyone care other than me? Also, the Lynx was my High School mascot and I didn't much like High School.

[jacka55]

Originally posted by Pancake
Also, the Lynx was my High School mascot and I didn't much like High School.

thanks for sharing... :D

[Nermal]

Originally posted by Pancake
What about the Atari Lynx portable game system. Does that count as a "computer"? Would anyone care other than me?

Are you the only one that thought about it? No. Are you the only one that cares? Probably. :p

[Tequila Grandma]

Originally posted by Sol
after a cow or bull, or whatever a 'Longhorn' is supposed to be.
Hook 'em, horns! Ahem...

I think it's a bit weird that they're latching on to the codenames of the products for marketing, but I suppose it does help some people to more easily tell them apart. I've always wondered just what will happen when they reach OS 11. Will they just ditch "X" altogether, will it be "OS XI", or will they just follow OS 10.9 with OS 10.9.6.7.5 etc etc etc, so that they'll never have to give up their precious X?

Another only somewhat unrealted thing... Who else thinks that the "X" logo for Panther looks downright retarded?

Arigato,
Brook

[Pandora]

it looks retarded..so does the new GUI..I don't like it..

[backspinner]

Originally posted by Art Vandelay
This is the actual Audio Units logo. Nice logo.

About the numbering of OS X beyond 10.9: 10.10 and 10.11 are very good possibilities in my eyes. It just wins or fails on the marketing behind it.

Oh, and I like the Panther logo, it's shiny and more professional than the Jaguar logo. But I also like the G5 case...

[MrMacMan]

Well atleast apple is preparing for new names...

[Longey Nowze]

sticking with the X is a both a good thing and a bad thing, it's good for advertising and stuff but it's bad for the average user.. if in five years from now we are still using Mac OS X lunx or tiger or what ever they call it... the average user will think that it's the same old OS launched in 2000... it would also bring up they problem of paying not wanted to pay for a new OS every year cuz it has the same name, that could explain the cat names though... Apple were using the old naming scheme we would be in OS 13 by now no??

Thank You
MaT

[mtuTopHat]

I always thought the XP in windowsXP stood for X-Ploit! :-)

[Aditya]

Originally posted by mac15
cats names sure blow the pants of M$ longhorn...... or even XPerience. Yeah a piss poor experience for anyone whos ever used XP

Not to mention the XP stands also for XPensive... :D

[psxndc]

Originally posted by Aditya
Not to mention the XP stands also for XPensive... :D

I hate MS as musch as the next Mac nut, but let's be real here: XP Professional is $199. OS X is $129. I've had XP for about a year now and MS isn't expecting me to buy an upgrade this year. I bought Jaguar at launch last August and Apple is expecting me to shell out another $129 for Panther. The initial cost of XP is greater, but spread over the 2-3 years between upgrades, it's not as expensive as keeping an up-to-date Mac.

Now I do use and love my mac more. Thus spending more on my mac is worth it. But am I not going to buy Panther. Until I see somehing that is worth the $129 to me. I saw it with Jag. I don't see it with Panther

-p

[slightly]

Did the cat theme start as an internal build codename that got picked up by marketing, or was it marketing's thing all along? Either way, I actually wish they hadn't made the naming system public.

Excitable marketing executives never think these things through. If they're trying to set up a "wild cat" metaphor - well, the panther is the only large cat that can't roar. Is that what they want? To take OS X's roar away? And, if OS X versions are getting (one hopes) faster, the culminating version would have to be "Cheetah", and I don't think Apple is quite gutsy enough to use *that* name.

(Although it would be cool to have an advert showing a panther ripping its teeth into a Longhorn.)

Also, am I the only one who's shuddering at the horrible possibility that Apple may use, for the Panther launch, Al Stewart's "Year of the Cat"?

For the next round of codenames, I'm proposing that Apple use the names of H. P. Lovecraft's mythos - I for one would definitely buy an OS called "Cthulhu".

Matt

[Jerry Spoon]

Hope they have enough. I'd hate to see them resort to naming their newest OS after house cats:rolleyes:
SJ: "I'd like to introduce our newest version of OSX. We're very proud of it. It takes the OS to a whole new level of user comfort. We're calling it Persian. We'll show you some if it today, but it won't be available for 8 months."

[vrapan]

Yeah the X logo looks goofy but I will disagree about the GUI I think it is sleeker.... Using Panther DP on my 12" PB and I like it.....

Oh and would I give 129$ for the upgrade .... After using it for a couple of weeks I would have to say yes. Great speed improvement (opening apps, drawing wins, responsiveness - WC3 runs quite a bit faster too), much better finder not even close to the previous one, Expose neat very very neat, iChatAV used it to talk with my family AWESOME if you have broadband, mail much better. These will do for me... a more refined product than jag....

[fabsgwu]

My grade school mascot was the Cougar, but alas, my High School mascot--the Greyhound--Doesn't have much chance in X

[serpicolugnut]

but let's be real here: XP Professional is $199. OS X is $129. I've had XP for about a year now and MS isn't expecting me to buy an upgrade this year. I bought Jaguar at launch last August and Apple is expecting me to shell out another $129 for Panther. The initial cost of XP is greater, but spread over the 2-3 years between upgrades, it's not as expensive as keeping an up-to-date Mac.

But try this with XP... Say if your mothboard goes on your homemade PC, and you have to replace. Well, you'll have to reinstall the OS, and give MS a call and plead with them to give you another Activation key.

I've had to reinstall XP a couple of times, and each time had to ask for a key from some MS dweeb on the phone. "Mr. Lee, why are you reinstalling Windows...", the tech asks..."Because it's a piece of crap that became unstable and couldn't be fixed without a reinstall. Now give me the damn key NOW!". Yes, that was the extent of my last call to these morons.

From what I understand, switching mobos will negate your OEM license and require you to buy a new copy.

Not so with Mac OS X...

[MetallicPenguin]

Hmm...Yeah I wonder what hey are going to do after X. I would hope something like XI; but they might just go for 11.

I hope for the 11 or XI, whatever....I hope they don't start using dog names, I can imagine 11.5 Dachshund :p

[Six]

dont they use greek mythology names as code names for a lot of the hardware?

i like the cat idea. easier to remember than a number, IMHO.

[gopy]

I think Apple will simply update the version number. For example, the CD for 10.2 says "Mac OS X version 10.2 Panther." So, Mac OS X version 11?

[dxp4acu]

Originally posted by Sol
AU means Audio Units which is the name of the sound engine in OS X.

As for the feline names, I think Apple is on to a good thing; better than naming the operating system after a cow or bull, or whatever a 'Longhorn' is supposed to be.

Maybe if Apple ever makes a cut-down OS X for portable devices they could name it after domestic cats, for example, Siamese, Persian, Minx, etc.

The cat theme can even be integrated in the system sounds. Perhaps the start-up chime of Macs can be replaced with a roaring panther, jaguar, cougar, etc.

MS means Texas Longhorn, Roy Williams! He's gonna win the heisman this year and be the 1st pick in the draft next year!!!!!!!

[TylerL]

Originally posted by slightly
Excitable marketing executives never think these things through. If they're trying to set up a "wild cat" metaphor - well, the panther is the only large cat that can't roar. Is that what they want? To take OS X's roar away? And, if OS X versions are getting (one hopes) faster, the culminating version would have to be "Cheetah", and I don't think Apple is quite gutsy enough to use *that* name.
...actually, OS X 10.0 was code-named "Cheetah".
Ironic, isn't it?

[mjones4th]

Originally posted by Sol
AU means Audio Units which is the name of the sound engine in OS X.

Close Sol, but alas, no cigar for you mein freund. CoreAudio is the OS X audio engine.

AU, on the other hand, is a 'plug-in' format. A plugin basically is an extension of the capabilities of the host program, in this case Logic 6, Soundtrack, or Digital Performer 4.1. It allows you, for example, to turn up the bass on your vocal and turn down the treble on your flute, or apply room ambience to your drums, or monitor your guitar's frequency response. The Video and Graphics guys have their equivalents. It also allows one to play a software synthesizer or sampler.

The beauty of plugins is that third party vendors can spend much more time perfecting their algorithms than Emagic or MOTU can. So quality (but along with it, total cost) rises. Some good examples of AU plugins are Elemental Audio's Equium and Firium (eq's), and Native Instruments B4 (a B3 emulation)

The most prevalent plugin format is Steinberg's VST (virtual studio technology, i think); does the same thing, its own way. The B4 comes also in this format. Those of us who are still stuck on Mac OS9 are there because the plugins we use daily are not yet available in AU format. And the ones that are available are not transferring the settings from songs created in Logic OS9 using VST's. So until this little hiccup has been cleared up, I'll be chiming in to my happy mac icon!

Mitzelplik

[Sol]

Originally posted by Six
dont they use greek mythology names as code names for a lot of the hardware?

The only Greek name I can recall that was used in the computer world recently was Microsoft's 'Athens' prototype PC. The computer itself was little more than a G4 iMac rip-off and in my opinion was not worthy of the name.

The big-cat theme is good for Apple's image but I hope some of their profits will get donated to conservation causes. Today the threat of extinction hangs over all wild animals and since Apple is using these names it would only be fair to give something back to nature.

[fabsgwu]

Originally posted by gopy
I think Apple will simply update the version number. For example, the CD for 10.2 says "Mac OS X version 10.2 Panther." So, Mac OS X version 11?

That would be pretty dumb, considering "X" stands for 10, pronounced "ten" (Jobs said it himself)

[AidenShaw]

Originally posted by fabsgwu
That would be pretty dumb, considering "X" stands for 10, pronounced "ten" (Jobs said it himself)

Don't you cringe when you hear "jag-wire" ???

[gopy]

Originally posted by fabsgwu
That would be pretty dumb, considering "X" stands for 10, pronounced "ten" (Jobs said it himself)

Obviously it stands for ten. My point is that the "X" is more of a brand than an actual version number of the OS, differentiating it from the classic OS. If you read again my post, which you quoted without apparantly reading, I'm taking the version numbers from the CD. And, I remember a Wired article covering WWDC, and the Apple photo of the Panther CD actually *did* say "Version 11."

[DamnDJ]

Originally posted by fabsgwu
That would be pretty dumb, considering "X" stands for 10, pronounced "ten" (Jobs said it himself)

Heh, even the company I work for had an internal memo explaining that OS X should be pronounced OS TEN, Not OS Ex.

It's been an ongoing battle with people here at work and me. Whenever I hear people say OS Ex, I just blurt out "10!". Some people like to get snippy with me and argue about it, so I decided to put up a poster of Rocky IV at my cube with the following caption:

"This movie is Rocky Four, not Rocky EYE VEE"

;)

[gopy]

The pic was, by the way, courtesy of Apple.

[Balooba]

Originally posted by MacBandit
Kind of funny they're going to reuse one cat twice. They've already used Puma and now they have Cougar registered. They're the same cat just a different regional name used here in the US.

So what? Panther and leopard is also the very same species.

[Balooba]

The unofficial feline nick-name for every Windows system since 3.1

*************
COPY-CAT
*************

[fabsgwu]

Originally posted by gopy
Obviously it stands for ten. My point is that the "X" is more of a brand than an actual version number of the OS, differentiating it from the classic OS. If you read again my post, which you quoted without apparantly reading, I'm taking the version numbers from the CD. And, I remember a Wired article covering WWDC, and the Apple photo of the Panther CD actually *did* say "Version 11."

From the company press release for 10.0-->

"Jobs got more applause when he introduced Apple’s next-generation operating system, Mac OS X (“X” is pronounced “Ten”). "

point taken, however about it being a branding device. However, so is XP for Microsoft. And sometimes you have to move on; if we make it to 10.9, I'm sure we'll all be ready for a change. Z perhaps? Works for Nissan.

[fabsgwu]

I actually think Apple would move to 11, 12 etc. were it not for the great job they've done branding 'X'...

Somehow XI and XII don't look so great, not as instantly identifiable as X. Besides 10's a nice round number :rolleyes:

[Freg3000]

I think OS XI would work because OS X if Apple started saying OS eX, that way it would take the emphasis of the X being the number 10. It would take a long time to get people to say OS eX regularly, but then again, we have a lot of time-OS XI can't be a possibility for a long time. :)

[gopy]

Originally posted by fabsgwu
From the company press release for 10.0-->

"Jobs got more applause when he introduced Apple’s next-generation operating system, Mac OS X (“X” is pronounced “Ten”). "

point taken, however about it being a branding device. However, so is XP for Microsoft. And sometimes you have to move on; if we make it to 10.9, I'm sure we'll all be ready for a change. Z perhaps? Works for Nissan.

Not to beleaguer the topic, but I don't think Apple would dilute the brand name. As long as MS keeps "Windows" in the name, they're good (also, iChat AV). So far, Apple's differentiated OS X versions with the cat names, with version numbers being almost a side issue. As far as I can tell, there were two reasons for the "X": first, because MacOS stopped at 9; second, because it's *not* classic MacOS, it's a different product altogether. I would have started at 1.0, myself: Mac OS X version 1.0....

[Dephex Twin]

Originally posted by Sol
The big-cat theme is good for Apple's image but I hope some of their profits will get donated to conservation causes. Today the threat of extinction hangs over all wild animals and since Apple is using these names it would only be fair to give something back to nature. The animals may have come from nature but we invented the *names* of the animals!

[fabsgwu]

Originally posted by gopy
Not to beleaguer the topic, but I don't think Apple would dilute the brand name. As long as MS keeps "Windows" in the name, they're good (also, iChat AV). So far, Apple's differentiated OS X versions with the cat names, with version numbers being almost a side issue. As far as I can tell, there were two reasons for the "X": first, because MacOS stopped at 9; second, because it's *not* classic MacOS, it's a different product altogether. I would have started at 1.0, myself: Mac OS X version 1.0....


To further beleaguer the topic, XP is a different product alltogether as well. Its based on NT---3.1, 95, 98, ME (all of the previous consumer products) were based on DOS.

It's all a game anyway, I say the next version should be called Mac OS X plus infinity. Further versions can be called infinity plus one, two etc.

[gopy]

Originally posted by fabsgwu
To further beleaguer the topic, XP is a different product alltogether as well. Its based on NT, 3.1, 95, 98, ME (all of the previous consumer products) were based on DOS.

It's all a game anyway, I say the next version should be called Mac OS X plus infinity. Further versions can be called infinity plus one, two etc.

Oooo, infinity divided by zero?

[Capt Underpants]

Apple always has had the knack for having great names and great designs. All those cat names kind of make me mad, though. I am a dog person. Maybe the OS11 names will be:

Bloodhound, Golden Retreiver, Labradore, etc.

On second thought, maybe not.

[Java]

They missed one... hyena.

[SiliconAddict]

OS X Ocelot

Kinda rolls off the tongue.


My personal fav is Tiger. Love those big cats. :D

[mxpiazza]

for real, am i the ONLY one on this forum that loves the new look of panther, and loves the look of the new powermac g5's? i'm all about the brushed metal, and i think the g5 is the most intuitive and kick-butt design of a computer i have ever seen in my life. i love how on the new commercials when they zoom into the computer, right before it turns for the angle view, you can see the computers' insides through the mesh... brilliant! anyways... as much as a ton of people are all about the box of crayons look of 10.2, i definitley think the brushed metal look is the way to go, and i'm sure it will grow on all of you.

[iPC]

That has been a text based web browser for how long now???

http://lynx.browser.org/

[gopy]

Originally posted by mxpiazza
for real, am i the ONLY one on this forum that loves the new look of panther, and loves the look of the new powermac g5's? i'm all about the brushed metal, and i think the g5 is the most intuitive and kick-butt design of a computer i have ever seen in my life. i love how on the new commercials when they zoom into the computer, right before it turns for the angle view, you can see the computers' insides through the mesh... brilliant! anyways... as much as a ton of people are all about the box of crayons look of 10.2, i definitley think the brushed metal look is the way to go, and i'm sure it will grow on all of you.

I'm a fan of the new, subtler look, too; not just Aqua itself (reduced pinstripes, etc.), but the brushed metal style also. Although Apple needs to fix the Aqua/pinstripe dialog sheets in metal-- they look hideous.

And do the handles on the G5 look more like spoilers than handles, or is it me?

[iPC]

Originally posted by AidenShaw
Don't you cringe when you hear "jag-wire" ???
"Jag-u-are" ;)

[Vlade]

Good job on apple... I can just see Microsoft copyrighting those names just to screw apple :p, or some kid copyrighting them and selling them to apple for thousands of dollars :)

[Flowbee]

Originally posted by iPC
That has been a text based web browser for how long now???

http://lynx.browser.org/

Ah, yes... Linx was my first web browser. That was back in '92? '93?

[silvergunuk]

I think Mac OS Tiger will be the last 1 as it can have a lion in a fight, but liono from the thundercats is a different matter altogether.

[SilentPanda]

I named my cat Lynx. Its coloring is that of a Lynx cat but I named it that because a) the vet asked me what my cats name was and I had no clue and b) because I thought it should be named after a web browser although everybody else thinks I chose the name of a type of feline.

[Wonder Boy]

Originally posted by MacBandit
Kind of funny they're going to reuse one cat twice. They've already used Puma and now they have Cougar registered. They're the same cat just a different regional name used here in the US.

Very good point. I didn't know that they were the same animal, but I'll bet a lot of others don't either. So potentially, there wont be a problem.

[rog]

Yeah why didn't they register Ocelot? And for that matter, why not Bobcat, Mountain Lion, Saber Toothed Tiger, and Feral cat?

[andyduncan]

what about "Pus-sy" ?

edit: damn censors

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by rog
Yeah why didn't they register Ocelot? And for that matter, why not Bobcat, Mountain Lion, Saber Toothed Tiger, and Feral cat?

Well a Mountain Lion is once again the same thing as a Puma or Cougar.


I agree though there are hundreds of over cat names they can use. I would guess they are coming to the end of the Cat names once they have used the once they registered.

[mjones4th]

Originally posted by Java
They missed one... hyena.

Ummmm........
Hyena's in the uhhhhhhh...... dog family?
Entirely too much discovery channel, sorry.

Mitzel this plik!

[SubGothius]

WARNING: Looong post, lotsa replies!Originally posted by Tequila Grandma
...I've always wondered just what will happen when they reach OS 11. Will they just ditch "X" altogether, will it be "OS XI", or will they just follow OS 10.9 with OS 10.9.6.7.5 etc etc etc, so that they'll never have to give up their precious X?About a year and a half ago in the other leading brand of Mac news forum (http://forums.maccentral.com/) (too bad they don't retain posts back that far, so you'll hafta take my word for it ;-), yours truly predicted that Apple would increment the Mac OS a full version number from v10.x to v11.x only when their support for the X11 standard (aka the "X windows system", as used for other Unices' GUIs) was built into the standard Mac OS, fully conformant to all Aqua GUI conventions (screen-top menubar, all widgets with the expected Mac appearance, placements, behaviour, etc.), and thoroughly integrated to such a degree that Gramma and Grampa Macuser, with their box-stock iMac and OS, could download and unwrap X11-compliant source, compile and install it, then launch and use the resulting app just as easily as they would otherwise download and unwrap a .sit or .dmg archive, run the installer, then launch and use the resulting, traditional Mac app. Only then would Apple change the OS name to (drumroll, please)... "Mac OS X11" (pronounced "ex-eleven", since it ain't "ten" anymore ;-). They've even already quoted Spinal Tap on their current X11 beta page: "This one goes to eleven." :DOriginally posted by backspinner
About the numbering of OS X beyond 10.9: 10.10 and 10.11 are very good possibilities in my eyes. It just wins or fails on the marketing behind it.Someone had speculated about that versioning scheme back around the same time I made the above prediction. Their reasoning went along the lines of "X/10/ten" being part of the product designation, rather than part of the version number, with the true version number being the apparent "point release" after the first "." -- to which I replied, I guess that means that v10.0 really was still a beta (and "Cheetah" was rather ironic, as someone here said), after all! :p

Anywho, I dunno how well that scheme would fly marketingwise, since most people expect the standard convention of x.y.z where x is a major update, y is a minor update, and z is a bugfix/patch -- they'd be wondering when the heck Apple's ever going to really update their eventually-years-old OS instead of just "refining" the same old, same old, over and over and over ad infinitum et nauseum.Originally posted by Longey Nowze
sticking with the X is a both a good thing and a bad thing, it's good for advertising and stuff but it's bad for the average user.. if in five years from now we are still using Mac OS X lunx or tiger or what ever they call it... the average user will think that it's the same old OS launched in 2000... it would also bring up they problem of paying not wanted to pay for a new OS every year cuz it has the same name, that could explain the cat names though... Apple were using the old naming scheme we would be in OS 13 by now no?I think this reinforces the case for a rename to Mac OS X11 at some point, and IMHO, seamless X11 support would be just the kind of revolutionary major update (oodles of free, and suddenly easy to get, software from downloadable open-source code: not just for geex anymore!) that would warrant a full-integer version increment, which sooo conveniently would happen to be an increment to v11.x. FAIK, the versioning could well have been planned that way all along, ever since the NeXT acquisition; Steverino's the kind of guy to take that sort of long-term overview, and if you think about it, did the updates applied to produce Mac OS 9 really warrant a full-integer version increment from Mac OS 8.6? I think not; jumping prematurely to v9.x was just part of Steve's masterplan for apparently progressive stages of evolution towards "X11 for the rest of us" (at least Mac OS X v10.x didn't have anything to do with those X10 cameras of accursed popup-ad fame -- but then again, now we have the iSight, hm...).

(Side note: I gather that one of the major shareholders in the ISP I used to work for was the guy who wrote the original, non-Mac "OS9", ironically a Unix-oid OS itself, for which name Apple likely paid him a handsome sum to use; either that, or he just let them use it, being a really nice guy and a Mac aficionado to boot... er, no pun intended...)Originally posted by slightly
Did the cat theme start as an internal build codename that got picked up by marketing, or was it marketing's thing all along? Either way, I actually wish they hadn't made the naming system public. Excitable marketing executives never think these things through. If they're trying to set up a "wild cat" metaphor - well, the panther is the only large cat that can't roar. Is that what they want? To take OS X's roar away? For the next round of codenames, I'm proposing that Apple use the names of H. P. Lovecraft's mythos - I for one would definitely buy an OS called "Cthulhu".I think the cat codenames started as internal-only, but rumor-based eager anticipation referencing those codenames got so rampant that Apple decided to capitalize on all the free advance publicity. For later builds, they had been shifting towards wine-related internal codenames, but after seizing the cats by the throat (don't try that at home! :-), Merlot and Pinot became renamed as Jaguar and Panther, respectively (IIRC).

BTW, I think it's more accurate to say that the G5 took the PowerMac's "roar" away! (heh, get it, silent cooling... :rolleyes: okay, granted, that was a lame one, but I'm sorely sleep-dep'd by now... :-) Also, I suspect that "Cthulhu" would be a very bad codename for an OS -- take it from my SysAdmin friend who once warned me, "Never, ever name a machine "Eris", or anything along similar lines, as it will live up (or down) to its name. I named a laptop that once and it caused me no end of discord during the roadtrip I took it on, thinking I'd get some work done with it -- HA! Hahaha... he... ho... hrr..."Originally posted by MacBandit
All the recent names for Microsoft operating systems come from the Whistler/Black Comb ski area in British Columbia. Longhorn is the name of a a bar in a town near the ski areas.Hawhawhaw! Yeah, that fits, alrighty -- stranded in unexpected white-out conditions and just standing around dumbfounded with yr buddies and colleagues, unable to do what you want nor even what you went there for in the first place, waiting and hoping for the bad spell to clear up and getting all boozy-headed meanwhile to pass the time and relieve the stress...

Anywho, what code-naming theme should Apple move to, once they (inevitably) run out of nifty cat names? I kinda like the mythological angle, so long as (in light of the above anecdote) they stick to benevolent deities, mebbe demi-deities and heroes/heroines. Anyone for Mac OS X11 "Prometheus"? I kinda like it, think it'd be apropos in light of my prediction... :cool: :D

[Le Big Mac]

Originally posted by silvergunuk
I think Mac OS Tiger will be the last 1 as it can have a lion in a fight, but liono from the thundercats is a different matter altogether.

Who knows if they're doing this to use these names, or just to prevent someone else from using the names.

One could see Microsoft naming something, e.g., Tiger, and advertising that "Our tiger eats their panther for lunch" or something.

[crazylb1]

mjones4th, if we want to get real technical about which one is canine and which is feline, the Cheetah is a canine! :D :D

(Woohoo Safaris teach you stuff too not just discovery)*

*I'm really not trying to sound stuckup sorry, discovery is cool too

[Santiago]

Originally posted by Java
They missed one... hyena.

Hyenas are neither felines nor canines. They are separate group which diverged several million years ago. You can read about hyena evolution at http://www.liberalmafia.org/hyenas/hyenevol.html.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by crazylb1
mjones4th, if we want to get real technical about which one is canine and which is feline, the Cheetah is a canine! :D :D

(Woohoo Safaris teach you stuff too not just discovery)*

*I'm really not trying to sound stuckup sorry, discovery is cool too

Sorry but the Cheetah is in the Felidae family. The cat family.

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheetah

[GeeYouEye]

Steverino's the kind of guy to take that sort of long-term overview, and if you think about it, did the updates applied to produce Mac OS 9 really warrant a full-integer version increment from Mac OS 8.6? I think not; jumping prematurely to v9.x was just part of Steve's masterplan for apparently progressive stages of evolution towards "X11 for the rest of us" (at least Mac OS X v10.x didn't have anything to do with those X10 cameras of accursed popup-ad fame -- but then again, now we have the iSight, hm...).

Interesting story about this one: Originally, OS 9 was supposed to be OS 8.7, but it was changed to 9 at the behest of Apple's marketing department. The most likely scenario is that 9.1 was originally going to be 9.0, since that's where all the truly new features were, but I digress. You can find evidence for the existence of 8.7 by replacing the 8.6 DVD player with a 9.0 DVD player (on an 8.6 machine of course), and try to play a DVD. The error that pops up will say something to the effect of: "This version of DVD player requires Mac OS 8.7 to run. Please use an earlier version of DVD Player."

[MacFan25]

I like the cougar name - very catchy, like Jaguar.

[jaedreth]

Ahh, the memories...

My twin actually had 8.7 fc running on his machine at one time. Right before they changed it.

Of course when OS 9 came to be, At Ease broke. What a support fiasco.

How many times has Apple Marketing pulled a bait and switch?

Far more than you know.

Jaedreth

(Why does the PB G4 12" have the basic design of an iBook? ;) )

[rjstanford]

Originally posted by psxndc
The initial cost of XP is greater, but spread over the 2-3 years between upgrades, it's not as expensive as keeping an up-to-date Mac.

So the longer it takes Microsoft to release Longhorn, the better deal XP was? Hmm? I guess that if Apple waited longer to release Panther (without changing the feature list) it would be a better deal too?

Ah, well...

[mike3k]

Interestingly, my new kitten looks almost exactly like a panther :)

http://homepage.mac.com/mike3k/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2003-07-22%2007.34.49%20-0700/Image-4641467CBC5111D7.jpg

[dxp4acu]

Interesting. The kitten really does look like a panther! It's a conspiracy...

Speaking of which, the Texas Longhorns WR Roy Williams, is from Odessa, TX (as I am as well). He was a Permian Panther. So he went from Panther to Longhorn. Anyone think MS would buy him off for endorsements??



X!

[Capt Underpants]

Originally posted by iPC
"Jag-u-are" ;)

I live in Texas, and everyone down here says jag-wire. Despite the supposed mispronunciation, it probably won't change any time soon.

[MacSlut]

Originally posted by MacFan25
I like the cougar name - very catchy, like Jaguar.

Cougar was the original code name for what eventually became Windows Media.

BTW: I liked the post with the thought of calling the next release OSX 11

[Mirus]

BTW: I liked the post with the thought of calling the next release OSX 11

Bah...That's too close to OS 7-11, which comes with a free "Big Gulp"... :)

[fabsgwu]

Stop the insainity!

[jaedreth]

Oh the joy...

Apple could have an X in the platinum color, with the I next to it, in the animal skin, if apple was still into such weird fetishes...

Of course to keep customers from being totally confused it would have to have in big letters underneath:

Mac OS X version 11.0.1

(which is technically 2.0.1 if you really think about it, sounds puny, eh?)

Jaedreth

[Das]

I'm getting tired of the cat names, we need something powerful like the Behemoth, Ironside, or Jimmy! Yah, just take any Final Fantasy villain name and insert it for some thing cool. Either that or how about something that gets free press like Windowsucks or something that really catches people's attention like ICWeiner?

[capitalhood]

i c wiener ehh... that would get attention...huh, maybe indahole well their at it... or... i could say something about "at it" but i could than be evicted from the forums... damn... anyway it would be cool to name it something like that but i am also a stock holder in Apple so... you know... a 50% drop isn't as cool as it's cracked up to be.

[BaghdadBob]

Nah, my cat looks like a panther. This one is a butthead, she likes to defecate on things that ought not to be defecated on...

[AppleMatt]

Originally posted by psxndc
I hate MS as musch as the next Mac nut, but let's be real here: XP Professional is $199. OS X is $129. I've had XP for about a year now and MS isn't expecting me to buy an upgrade this year. I bought Jaguar at launch last August and Apple is expecting me to shell out another $129 for Panther. The initial cost of XP is greater, but spread over the 2-3 years between upgrades, it's not as expensive as keeping an up-to-date Mac.


While I'm not too happy about buying another Mac OS this year, look up the original (introduction) retail price for a full-install Windows XP Professional Box. I think you'll get quite a shock.

mike3k: Are you sure your cat isn't a Panther? I mean, did you check?! :wink:

AppleMatt

[Waluigi]

Originally posted by Mirus
BTW: I liked the post with the thought of calling the next release OSX 11

Bah...That's too close to OS 7-11, which comes with a free "Big Gulp"... :)

Hahahaha! Myabe airport extreme should come with an xtreme gulp.....52oz!

--Waluigi

[JLL]

Originally posted by MacBandit
Kind of funny they're going to reuse one cat twice. They've already used Puma and now they have Cougar registered. They're the same cat just a different regional name used here in the US.

And a Panther is a Leopard.

[JLL]

Originally posted by fabsgwu
That would be pretty dumb, considering "X" stands for 10, pronounced "ten" (Jobs said it himself)

Well, AT&T had:

System V Environment for Digital UNIX Version 4.0

[JLL]

Originally posted by MacBandit
Sorry but the Cheetah is in the Felidae family. The cat family.

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheetah

Cheetahs have much more in common with canines than felines.

You link actually mentions one of the things:

"It is the only cat that cannot completely retract its claws"

(except that an ocelot can't either)

Furthermore cheetahs kind of bark.

Btw. here is a real cat ;)

http://homepage.mac.com/lunddal/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2003-02-02%2012.13.53%20-0800/Image-10E7A3D836EA11D7.jpg

[Gogmagog]

Whats hapened to Lion? I thought that the naming was supposed to go from the fastest cat (slowest OS version) to the slowest cat (fastest or faster OS), so Lion should be the last (not sure if slowest but derfinately the laziest).

:p

Gog

[addsapple]

Well I cant wait until Cougar comes out... I mean in 2006!!!

[panphage]

Originally posted by JLL
Cheetahs have much more in common with canines than felines.

You link actually mentions one of the things:

"It is the only cat that cannot completely retract its claws"

(except that an ocelot can't either)

Furthermore cheetahs kind of bark.


Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be how modern taxonomy works. It's in the Felidae family, therefore it's a cat. It's a weird cat, but a platypus has a bill AND is poisonous AND lays eggs, but it's still a mammal. By your reasoning, a platypus is an avian. Whales (and dolpins, which are just small whales...) have limbs that look like fins and spend their entire lives in water, just like a fish. But they have lungs, not gills, and are mammals.

<cheap attempt to stay on-topic>
OS X1, I like that. I'd be REALLY happy if apple could Aqua-fize the X windows system.
</cheap attempt to stay on-topic>

[ptd]

Originally posted by psxndc
I hate MS as musch as the next Mac nut, but let's be real here: XP Professional is $199. OS X is $129. I've had XP for about a year now and MS isn't expecting me to buy an upgrade this year. I bought Jaguar at launch last August and Apple is expecting me to shell out another $129 for Panther. The initial cost of XP is greater, but spread over the 2-3 years between upgrades, it's not as expensive as keeping an up-to-date Mac.

Now I do use and love my mac more. Thus spending more on my mac is worth it. But am I not going to buy Panther. Until I see somehing that is worth the $129 to me. I saw it with Jag. I don't see it with Panther

-p

[ptd]

You are forgetting the free inclusion of all of the iApps in addition to the modifications to the operating system itself. I use iTunes, iPhoto and iMovie all of the tiem... 129 dollars to be able to use the most modern operating system in existance is a small price to pay (not to mention iChat av-- its sweet).

Originally posted by psxndc
I hate MS as musch as the next Mac nut, but let's be real here: XP Professional is $199. OS X is $129. I've had XP for about a year now and MS isn't expecting me to buy an upgrade this year. I bought Jaguar at launch last August and Apple is expecting me to shell out another $129 for Panther. The initial cost of XP is greater, but spread over the 2-3 years between upgrades, it's not as expensive as keeping an up-to-date Mac.

Now I do use and love my mac more. Thus spending more on my mac is worth it. But am I not going to buy Panther. Until I see somehing that is worth the $129 to me. I saw it with Jag. I don't see it with Panther

-p

[jettredmont]

Originally posted by MacBandit
Kind of funny they're going to reuse one cat twice. They've already used Puma and now they have Cougar registered. They're the same cat just a different regional name used here in the US.

Yeah, and Panthers are just Jaguars (some call only black jaguars "panther" while others call all jaguars "panther" and black jaguars "black panthers" ... I think the first group is more "correct").

[jettredmont]

Originally posted by psxndc
I hate MS as musch as the next Mac nut, but let's be real here: XP Professional is $199. OS X is $129.

Note that that is for an "upgrade", not for a full copy. Full copies, unless you get them from an OEM with a fairly restrictive attached license (can't be transfered to a new computer, etc), are a bit more expensive.

Not that you'll be buying anything but upgrades for OS X either (every Mac comes with an Apple OS, so any retail boxes are upgrades of that), but just wanted to clarify.

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by MacBandit
Lynx has also been used for other products. I think Apple can get away with it because it's a non competitive product. That's how come they can use Mac OSX even though OSX is another operating system all together. They were able to get away with it as long as they kepth the Mac in front of OSX.

That was OS-9 (not to be confused with Mac OS 9). And Apple DID get sued :)

Originally posted by TylerL
...actually, OS X 10.0 was code-named "Cheetah".
Ironic, isn't it?

Only if you never used Public Beta.

Other than a couple last-minute feature changes (and the inclusion of iTunes instead of the Public Beta MP3 Player), the only difference between Mac OS X Public Beta and Mac OS X 10.0 (Cheetah) was the fact that Cheetah removed all the debugging code and was much faster. Optimization between Public Beta and Cheetah made it usable on my iMac 233 :)

Originally posted by fabsgwu
To further beleaguer the topic, XP is a different product alltogether as well. Its based on NT---3.1, 95, 98, ME (all of the previous consumer products) were based on DOS.


NT was also called Windows.

Longhorn, BTW, is a complete rewrite of Windows, so it's completely different too.

Originally posted by gopy
And do the handles on the G5 look more like spoilers than handles, or is it me?

They do.

Originally posted by iPC
"Jag-u-are" ;)

Jag-u-are is an overpriced Ford. Jag-wire is the operating system. Jag-whar is the cat :)

Originally posted by SubGothius
About a year and a half ago...yours truly predicted that Apple would increment the Mac OS a full version number...only when their support for the X11 standard...was built into the standard Mac OS...to such a degree that Gramma and Grampa Macuser...could download and unwrap X11-compliant source, compile and install it, then launch and use the resulting app just as easily as they would otherwise download and unwrap a .sit or .dmg archive, run the installer, then launch and use the resulting, traditional Mac app. Only then would Apple change the OS name to..."Mac OS X11"


That would be big, but I don't see that as a major thing, really! By then, OpenOffice will be Aqua (and there very well may be an Apple office suite). Apple could come up with a free, iTMS-esque source distribution scheme, but I don't see that as worth jumping to version 11.

Originally posted by SubGothius
I think the cat codenames started as internal-only, but rumor-based eager anticipation referencing those codenames got so rampant that Apple decided to capitalize on all the free advance publicity. For later builds, they had been shifting towards wine-related internal codenames...Merlot and Pinot became renamed as Jaguar and Panther, respectively (IIRC).


The anticipation occurred for one product and one product only: Mac OS X 10.2 Jaguar. "Jaguar" had so much buzz associated with it that Apple made it the official name of Mac OS X.

Originally posted by SubGothius
Anywho, what code-naming theme should Apple move to, once they (inevitably) run out of nifty cat names? I kinda like the mythological angle, so long as (in light of the above anecdote) they stick to benevolent deities, mebbe demi-deities and heroes/heroines. Anyone for Mac OS X11 "Prometheus"? I kinda like it, think it'd be apropos in light of my prediction... :cool: :D

Prometheus was chained to a rock where birds pecked at his liver for eternity. Sounds more like certain other Apple products :)

[jettredmont]

Originally posted by Balooba
So what? Panther and leopard is also the very same species.

Actually, leopards and jaguars are quite different. Panther and jaguar are different colorations of the same (north american cat) species.

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by psxndc
I hate MS as musch as the next Mac nut, but let's be real here: XP Professional is $199. OS X is $129. I've had XP for about a year now and MS isn't expecting me to buy an upgrade this year. I bought Jaguar at launch last August and Apple is expecting me to shell out another $129 for Panther. The initial cost of XP is greater, but spread over the 2-3 years between upgrades, it's not as expensive as keeping an up-to-date Mac.


No one's forcing you to buy Panther. So you'd rather have a more expensive operating system, with less frequent updates, than a less expensive operating system that had more frequent updates available?

Is it bad that Apple *offers* you frequent updates? You don't *have* to buy them, your computer will continue to work with the current OS until the components fail, but you still have that option. With Windows, not only is it more expensive to update, but you don't get to update very often! You don't have the choice! With Apple, you at least have the choice.

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by jettredmont
Note that that is for an "upgrade", not for a full copy. Full copies, unless you get them from an OEM with a fairly restrictive attached license (can't be transfered to a new computer, etc), are a bit more expensive.

Not that you'll be buying anything but upgrades for OS X either (every Mac comes with an Apple OS, so any retail boxes are upgrades of that), but just wanted to clarify.

It's still a full version. You can install it on a blank, newly formatted hard drive. It doesn't *require* any previous version.

[jettredmont]

Originally posted by mjones4th
Ummmm........
Hyena's in the uhhhhhhh...... dog family?
Entirely too much discovery channel, sorry.

Mitzel this plik!

Umm, actually Hyena's are about as related to dogs and cats as dogs and cats are to each other. Hyenas are civets.

Although, there are canines called "hyena dogs" in south africa, or so Google says ...

[jaedreth]

Mac OS X 11, Civet

Mac OS X 12, Lupus

*shudders*

*hides in a closet*

Jaedreth

[jettredmont]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
It's still a full version. You can install it on a blank, newly formatted hard drive. It doesn't *require* any previous version.

Are you sure you're talking about Windows XP upgrade here? I know Win 2000 upgrades DID require you to "prove" you had a qualifying OS by inserting the floppy or CD of the older version during installation. I don't have an XP upgrade here (full version only), but it seems odd MS would have reconsidered their long-standing upgrade-verification procedure.

Or are you talking about OS X? Which of course need not verify that the Mac with Mac ROMs installed indeed once held a previous version of Mac OS (classic or X) because ... well, all Macs with Apple ROMs installed ship with Mac OS of one flavor or another.

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by Tequila Grandma
I think it's a bit weird that they're latching on to the codenames of the products for marketing, but I suppose it does help some people to more easily tell them apart. I've always wondered just what will happen when they reach OS 11. Will they just ditch "X" altogether, will it be "OS XI", or will they just follow OS 10.9 with OS 10.9.6.7.5 etc etc etc, so that they'll never have to give up their precious X?


I think by that time it'll be time for a new rewrite of the OS. Mac OS X is just another BSD, with an Apple UI. I think it's only a transitionary OS into whatever's next. I'm thinking of an Apple/IBM collaboration into future OS technologies that will yield an entirely new Mac OS.

You have to realize that Mac OS X was a rebranded Rhapsody (with Carbon to make porting easier). Rhapsody itself was a desparate lunge to get to a suitably good operating system by buying and improving someone else's. To understand this, let's go back to the 1990's.

The entire thing started in the 1987 when various Apple development groups drew colored index cards. The blue index card went to the group in charge of updating and improving System 7 (hence their nickname, "Blue Meanies"). The pink index card went to the group in charge of future technologies. Hence, Pink, the first Apple attempt to replace the Macintosh System and Finder (this was pre-Mac OS). The red index card went to the group working on the most futuristic concepts that were well ahead of where Apple was.

The Pink group, along with some IBM OS engineers, were spun off into a separate enterprise called Taligent. IBM at this time was heavily invested in OS/2, after taking it completely in-house from a joint IBM/Microsoft collaboration. OS/2 was out, but IBM realized the value of collaborating with what was at that time still the top maker of personal computers.

Taligent promptly crashed into the ground.

Stymied again, Apple decided that they needed the System to have a kernel. Their kernel, NuKernel, was under development. A fully backwards-compatible version of the operating system, code-named Copland, would implement NuKernel. Immediately, everyone and their grandmother got transferred to the Copland project, and started developing all sorts of great ideas for the OS and the UI, to the point where Copland bloated. Technical difficulties with implemented protected memory, preemptive multitasking, and other high-tech features led Apple to split the project in two. Copland (the immediate goal) would be a part-way implementation, while Gershwin would implement everything fully. (They also added CHRP support as a goal when cloning began.)

Meanwhile, Apple started to die. From 1994 to 1996, it quickly crashed from "world's number one computer maker" to "bleeding money". That made future development hard.

In 1996, it was clear that Copland wasn't getting anywhere. The company was dying, CEO Michael Spindler was fired and Gil Amelio took charge. As CEO, Amelio restructured Apple, leading to 100 days of absolutely no new product releases. Chief Technology Officer Ellen Hancock made the rather obvious choice of releasing Copland in stages, gradually releasing various Copland technologies into System 7 until the kernel was implemented, yielding System 8. (Gershwin was System 9.) The name change to Mac OS came as a result of cloning (so System 7.5 was followed by Mac OS 7.6).

Later, when it became clear that Copland was doomed, Apple decided to develop a version of someone else's OS. Some of the choices were NeXTStep, BeOS, and Windows NT (seriously!). NeXTStep was chosen, and NeXT was purchased by Apple. Rhapsody (the NeXT-based operating system) was announced.

At that point, NeXT CEO Steve Jobs (officially a "consultant") managed to consolidate power, replacing Amelio's executive staff with Rubenstein, Avie Tevanian, and other NeXT veterans. Ellen Hancock was transferred to an obscure position (she later resigned) while only Fred Anderson remained on board. Amelio himself was fired after Apple lost 1 billion dollars in one quarter. Steve became the de facto CEO, then the interim CEO (for several years), then the full-time CEO. (Apple was officially looking for a CEO for several years after Amelio was fired.)

Jobs changed Rhapsody into Mac OS X, restructired Apple, and saved the company.

But the point is, Mac OS X was only an emergency out Apple took because their internally developed OS wouldn't work and the company was dying anyway. Now that Apple's recovered and relatively safe, they have the stability to successfully write a new OS. I'm sure they will do that.

[jaedreth]

Very good overview, Phil of Mac.

What I'm hoping for in an OS XI is a collaboration between OS X development and AIX. Licencing key AIX OS technologies, as this operating system is very different from most UNIX OS's. Heck, I wouldn't mind if Apple was bought by IBM, and made a subsidary. Steve still CEO and the current board of course, just with a few additions. Of course *that* will never happen.

Apple doesn't know UNIX os's enough to make a unix OS robust as AIX. They're already in bed with IBM with processors among other things, why not go all the way?

Well, Steve won't ever give up the reigns, so a buyout won't ever happen, but I hope Apple does do licencing with IBM to learn how to make a real UNIX os. And then put Apple's award winning gui on it. It would be even better if Apple could migrate it's non-darwin technology onto AIX itself, and sell a GUI version that is still Mac OS.

But all this is speculation. Perhaps by the time we reach Mac OS X 10.9, the OS will have matured enough that Apple will feel they don't have to go this route. But then what NeXT?

Jaedreth

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by jettredmont
Are you sure you're talking about Windows XP upgrade here? I know Win 2000 upgrades DID require you to "prove" you had a qualifying OS by inserting the floppy or CD of the older version during installation. I don't have an XP upgrade here (full version only), but it seems odd MS would have reconsidered their long-standing upgrade-verification procedure.

Or are you talking about OS X? Which of course need not verify that the Mac with Mac ROMs installed indeed once held a previous version of Mac OS (classic or X) because ... well, all Macs with Apple ROMs installed ship with Mac OS of one flavor or another.

I was talking about OS X. Upgrade versions of OS X require a previously installed version of Mac OS X in order to *function*. They don't even have a full copy of the OS. These are the ones you download from Software Update :)

[ryanmil1]

Develop a new os and make the software manufacturer's rewrite the software again? I doubt it. Maybe in like 10-15 years there will be a completely new mac os but that is centuries in computer time. Why would apple write a new OS when they have a OS the is stable and modern? I'm guessing that OSX will have a life time similar to the original mac os.

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by ryanmil1
Develop a new os and make the software manufacturer's rewrite the software again? I doubt it. Maybe in like 10-15 years there will be a completely new mac os but that is centuries in computer time. Why would apple write a new OS when they have a OS the is stable and modern? I'm guessing that OSX will have a life time similar to the original mac os.

The original Mac OS was supposed to be replaced in 1995 :)

Backwards compatibility is an issue, but I honestly think that Apple needs some new OS development. We have a modern OS now. What we *need* is the OS of the future. Beyond modern. Beyond Unix. Beyond anything we've ever seen before.

[SiliconAddict]

Originally posted by psxndc
I hate MS as musch as the next Mac nut, but let's be real here: XP Professional is $199. OS X is $129. I've had XP for about a year now and MS isn't expecting me to buy an upgrade this year. I bought Jaguar at launch last August and Apple is expecting me to shell out another $129 for Panther. The initial cost of XP is greater, but spread over the 2-3 years between upgrades, it's not as expensive as keeping an up-to-date Mac.

Now I do use and love my mac more. Thus spending more on my mac is worth it. But am I not going to buy Panther. Until I see somehing that is worth the $129 to me. I saw it with Jag. I don't see it with Panther

-p


Nope. XP Pro full version (Not upgrade) is $299 off the shelf. This includes a single license for a single PC. (with the ever so fun product activation crap thrown in as a free bonus.)
Compare that to Apple that has Jag for $129. In addition for a $100 cheaper then what microass offers a single license of XP you can get 5 licenses in the family pack. Neither Apple or MS are cheap but at least apple doesn't make you bend over when they take your cash. :eek: ;)

PS- I have a running bet with a friend of mine that Longhorn is going to retail for $250 for just the upgrade and a cool $400 for the full version.

[jaedreth]

What Apple needs is a quasi-ai OS.

Visualize having a microphone as a standard and built in input device.

As you sit down at your computer, the iSight senses you're sitting in your chair, and recognizes your visual profile and opens up your user. It checks the time of day, and says as appropriate, "Good (morning/afternoon/evening), <your first name>." You reply back, "Good morning, Hal, please look up my Apple stock." You just put the computer together last night, so it hasn't had it's ai routines programmed yet. The computer repsonds, "I'm sorry, Jack, but I don't understand what you want me to do. Can you please show me so I know for future reference?" You reply, "Sure."

You then open up Safari, and go to livepage.apple.com, and enter in AAPL under the stock ticker. You then indicate to the computer you've completed the requested task.

The computer replies, "So that I understand each step, what action is implied by "look up"? I reply, "Opening Safari." The computer replies, "I understand. How about what you mean by stock?" I reply "URL livepage.apple.com, as it has a stock ticker and lookup." The computer replies, "I understand. How about the value Apple?" I reply, "Putting the value "AAPL" into the stock ticker." The computer replies, "I understand." It summarizes. "So when you ask me to look up apple's stock, you want me to open safari, go to the stock ticker section of livepage.apple.com, and enter the value "AAPL" into the stock lookup?" I reply, "This is correct." The computer replies, "Can you give me another instance of looking up stock for comparison?" I unstruct the computer to pull up a web page to look up companies and their stock letters, so that the computer will know to look up the stock code by a request to look up the stock for the company name.

The computer then asks, "Is this the only way to "look up" information?" I reply no. Then I start to go into other ways I can look up things, searches, network lookups, and I give the appropriate examples.

So each person can customize the AI to respond to them and understand them by their own vocabulary and word usage.

To me at least, setting up the computer would be half the fun. Then imagine how much time I would save by giving verbal commands.

Of course, voice and language recognition must come a long way before this can occur. But this is where consumer Operating Systems will go next, and I'm sure Apple will do it best, but I also want Apple to do it first.

Jaedreth

[Phil Of Mac]

I'm sure we all want Lieutenant Commander Data sitting on our desk :)

"I'm sorry, Phil, I don't understand what you mean by 'Go to hell you unstable piece of ******'. Could you please teach me?"

[SiliconAddict]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
I'm sure we all want Lieutenant Commander Data sitting on our desk :)

"I'm sorry, Phil, I don't understand

Don't you mean "I do not understand"? ;)

Sorry the nerd in me couldn't resist.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by jettredmont
Yeah, and Panthers are just Jaguars (some call only black jaguars "panther" while others call all jaguars "panther" and black jaguars "black panthers" ... I think the first group is more "correct").

Technically a Panther is neither a Jaguar or even a cat. Panther is the name of the Genus for many large cats including Lions, Jaguars, Leopards, and Tigers.

[jaedreth]

That was Data v2.0, with EmotionChip-TM.

[gopy]

Originally posted by SiliconAddict
Don't you mean "I do not understand"? ;)

Sorry the nerd in me couldn't resist.

Don't you mean, "I am sorry..."
sigh... I thought I'd put Trek behind me since Voyager...

[edenwaith]

Originally posted by MacBandit
Kind of funny they're going to reuse one cat twice. They've already used Puma and now they have Cougar registered. They're the same cat just a different regional name used here in the US.

Good point. Or they could have gone for three and added mountain lion to the mix.

[MarkCollette]

Originally posted by MacBandit
All the recent names for Microsoft operating systems come from the Whistler/Black Comb ski area in British Columbia. Longhorn is the name of a a bar in a town near the ski areas.
...

Should we be looking forward to MS Avalanche, then? ;)

[MarkCollette]

Originally posted by fabsgwu
I actually think Apple would move to 11, 12 etc. were it not for the great job they've done branding 'X'...

Somehow XI and XII don't look so great, not as instantly identifiable as X. Besides 10's a nice round number :rolleyes:

Right, because it won't be confusing when Mac OS X 11 is released, along with further improved X11 support...

Or When Mac OS X 25 comes out with even better networking support...


- X11 is how most Unices do graphics
- X25 is a networking protocol in the same genre as TCP-IP

[andyduncan]

Originally posted by jaedreth
Apple doesn't know UNIX os's enough to make a unix OS robust as AIX.

How do you even know? Do you work in HR at Apple? Do you have a list of each employee's qualifications? Do you even know what you are talking about when you say "Robust"?

There are a ton of talented UNIX heads at Apple who would take great offense at your assumption.

[MarkCollette]

Originally posted by ryanmil1
Develop a new os and make the software manufacturer's rewrite the software again? I doubt it. Maybe in like 10-15 years there will be a completely new mac os but that is centuries in computer time. Why would apple write a new OS when they have a OS the is stable and modern? I'm guessing that OSX will have a life time similar to the original mac os.

I agree. Operating Systems take at least 10 years to mature to full usability. Look at GNU Linux, which from the first development until mass (server) acceptance, took about ten years. MS Win95, which started at least as early as 1992, lasted until MS WinME was replaced by XP Home. SunOS, Solaris, etc...

If Mac OS X 10.0 came out a few years ago, then we've got at least eight more years until the Apple dev team has put their last finishing touches on it. That will include revisions to work with devices that haven't even been thought of yet.

[MarkCollette]

Originally posted by jaedreth
What Apple needs is a quasi-ai OS.

Visualize having a microphone as a standard and built in input device.

As you sit down at your computer, the iSight senses you're sitting in your chair, and recognizes your visual profile and opens up your user...

A lot of people in offices (cubicles) will never be able to use speach recognition because of the office noise issues, BUT your mentionning iSight made me think that maybe the computer could be taught to read lips. Then you could silently mouth the words when in the company of others, like when entering passwords, and speak the words out loud otherwise. Maybe, when in an environment where sound isn't an issue, the software could combine the inputs of the sound and the lip movements, to improve accuracy. What do you think?

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by MarkCollette
A lot of people in offices (cubicles) will never be able to use speach recognition because of the office noise issues, BUT your mentionning iSight made me think that maybe the computer could be taught to read lips. Then you could silently mouth the words when in the company of others, like when entering passwords, and speak the words out loud otherwise. Maybe, when in an environment where sound isn't an issue, the software could combine the inputs of the sound and the lip movements, to improve accuracy. What do you think?

This is actually already being tested. I remember hearing about it but I don't remember where. I think IBM is doing it. They are combining the microphone with a camera in an attempt to achieve 100% accuracy.

[JLL]

Originally posted by jettredmont
Actually, leopards and jaguars are quite different. Panther and jaguar are different colorations of the same (north american cat) species.

There seems to be many definitions of Panthers.

A Panther is also a black leopard.

[Balooba]

Originally posted by JLL
There seems to be many definitions of Panthers.

A Panther is also a black leopard.

Actually, there are three different species that all are called Panther.

1. The leopard, but especially used for black individuals (e.g. Bagheera). Lives in in India and Africa. (latin Panthera pardus)
2. Another name of the American Jaguar (latin Felis onca). No mention of black jaguars as far as I can find...
3. Another name of the yellowish American cat with the many names Puma, Cougar, Mountain lion,Catamount, etc. (latin Felis concolor).

[MacBandit]

As I said before Panthers aren't actually a species they are Genus that contains most large cats.

[MacMaelstrom]

Eventually X will have to go... but it'd be nice if it was System X:) that would be cool

[jaedreth]

Panther is also used in connotation (as opposed to denotation) as any large black cat of said genus. Thus if you saw an all black lion, you could, if you *really* wanted to, call it a panther. But if you do see an all black lion, let me know, I gotta see that.

*joking*

Jaedreth

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by jaedreth
Panther is also used in connotation (as opposed to denotation) as any large black cat of said genus. Thus if you saw an all black lion, you could, if you *really* wanted to, call it a panther. But if you do see an all black lion, let me know, I gotta see that.

*joking*

Jaedreth


Correct, also black cats happen in all species and it is quite common for a large black cat to be called a Black Panther as if it were a species even though no such animal actually exists. It is also correct to call a Tiger or Lion a Panther in that it denotes the Genus.

[MacMaelstrom]

But the fact is that all the names usually denote fast, sleek cats.

[BaghdadBob]

Originally posted by MacMaelstrom
But the fact is that all the names usually denote fast, sleek cats.
Yeah. Except lions. Who are fat. And lazy.

You know what would be funny? If lions really did live in the jungle. I mean, not funny "haha" but funny "uh-oh" because a fat lazy lion wouldn't last a week in the jungle. Anyway.

<----[Doesn't like lions]

Howabout the last version be named after hairless cats? According to MJK they're "emotionally more like dogs."

Everyone loves a ****** ***** anyway.

:rolleyes:
:D

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by BaghdadBob
Yeah. Except lions. Who are fat. And lazy.

You know what would be funny? If lions really did live in the jungle. I mean, not funny "haha" but funny "uh-oh" because a fat lazy lion wouldn't last a week in the jungle. Anyway.

<----[Doesn't like lions]

Howabout the last version be named after hairless cats? According to MJK they're "emotionally more like dogs."

Everyone loves a ****** ***** anyway.

:rolleyes:
:D

Female lions are anything but fat and lazy. Also you would appear lazy also if you lived in the African Savannah and wore a fur coat. In any case how lazy would they look if they were chasing you down?:D

[BaghdadBob]

Originally posted by MacBandit
Female lions are anything but fat and lazy. Also you would appear lazy also if you lived in the African Savannah and wore a fur coat. In any case how lazy would they look if they were chasing you down?:D
There was an episode of Crocodile Hunter where he was getting eyeballed pretty intensely by a pride of lions. I've seen a lot of scary stuff on that show but that just about topped it.

And no, he was not in a Jeep at the time...of course...psycho.

Anyway. Ever seen...what was it...the Ghost and the Darkness?

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by BaghdadBob
There was an episode of Crocodile Hunter where he was getting eyeballed pretty intensely by a pride of lions. I've seen a lot of scary stuff on that show but that just about topped it.

And no, he was not in a Jeep at the time...of course...psycho.

Anyway. Ever seen...what was it...the Ghost and the Darkness?

No I haven't watched it but I will someday. There are few things scarier on this planet then being out unprotected in the open being eyed by a large predator in there domain and knowing that THEY are on the top of the food chain.

[Das]

Oh blah, lions think they're so tough with their claws and their things with those things, but pit them against a blue whale and I'd like to see who the king of the tundra really is. Frickin blue whale would tear him up old skool with its dreaded echo sonar attack. OS X.4 Insane Blue Whale, now that'd be a killer title. Put those danged cats back in their place with the whatnot. wurd.



[This message brought to you by crack]

[MacMaelstrom]

I like the Jag title. It's a fast sports car for christ's sake! Then again, I like the Panther logo as well,


edit: Oh yes, and I'd love to see a blue whale survive on land, and FYI, there is no dreaded sonar attack.

[Pancake]

Originally posted by MacMaelstrom
Oh yes, and I'd love to see a blue whale survive on land, and FYI, there is no dreaded sonar attack.

That what they want you to think, then BAM, you've been sonared like a ton of bricks! Then the whale will break out a trumpet and start playing TAPS at your own funeral.

[jaedreth]

For clarification, I said *as* robust *as* AIX.

How much longer has IBM been working on AIX? How old is the operating system?

Contrary to popular belief, I am *not* dissing Avie or his crew. They are a bunch of incredibly talented people.

However, not even NeXT was *as* robust as AIX. Sure, the interface rocked, but purely as a UNIX based operating system, it was still young.

As is OS X.

Simple fact is that OS X is a young UNIX-based operating system.

It's not officially a UNIX due to lack of POSIX compliance, but whether that is due to licensing only issues or not, we can only guess...

However, I had to *download* and *install* very basic unix programs that will come with every posix compliant unix I've ever seen. Thus it's not very mature. I had to install pine and lynx. (I installed Mutt and BitchX because I like them better than pine and ircii.)

Also as previous people have noted, it's not nearly as fast as it could be, as well as all the nifty things in it could all use cementing code, make them more stable, more responsive, etc. Basically they need to finish what they've started, not just start on a bunch of new features and never get around to perfecting the old ones.

Perhaps Panther will change a lot of this. If Panther turns out to be as good as Apple makes it seem, then Panther will do a *lot* for the OS's overall maturity. But I'm going to have to see it.

I'm not dissing Apple's people. I'm saying with all the brains Apple has, they currently cannot make a young unix-based operating system into a mature and fully featured unix operating system in any short amount of time.

And I don't feel that is an unreasonable statement.

Jaedreth

[BaghdadBob]

Originally posted by MacBandit
No I haven't watched it but I will someday. There are few things scarier on this planet then being out unprotected in the open being eyed by a large predator in there domain and knowing that THEY are on the top of the food chain.
From what I understand the movie is based on real events, but I have yet to research that and verify how close the movie is to anything that really happened.

It's a pretty good movie considering I don't care much for Val Kilmer and I still liked it a lot. BTW, it may take you half the movie to a whole one-and-a-half viewings to figure out he's trying to do an Irish accent if no one tips you off.

BTW, does anyone here know what the species that supposedly preceeded the split into canine and feline was called? That would make an interesting transition name. And I can think of at least a few good canine names for an OS.

[vrapan]

Actually I dont know too much about OSs especially Unices and of course I have no clue what sort of programming brains Apple has but if refinement, finish, responsiveness and speed it your request from their OS well Panther will please you. I have been using the DP and well if nothing else it is FAST - most apps load in half the time they do in Jag - respinsive and seems much more refined then Jag. I think that this will be a release of OS X that will bring it a lot closer to maturity. My opinion form OS X (been using it only since 10.2 after buying my first Mac last feb) is that it is a superb OS. It needs improvements like speed and responsiveness and little things that make it seem less professional and mature than it should be. However I think this reflects the effort of Apple to produce more and more in home software. Maybe people were taken out of the OS production and put in other projects. But in my opinion it is the best OS right now for a consumer desktop machine and with quite a big lead too.... Linux needs a looooooong way to get user friendly enough to where my grandma can use it and Windows needs an even looooooonger way to be enarly as stable and user friendly as OS X. So bugs or not it is and seems to be for quite a while

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by jaedreth
It's not officially a UNIX due to lack of POSIX compliance, but whether that is due to licensing only issues or not, we can only guess...


POSIX compliance is not a good criterion to determine if an OS is truly Unix or not. Windows NT is POSIX compliant. Is it Unix?

Originally posted by jaedreth
However, I had to *download* and *install* very basic unix programs that will come with every posix compliant unix I've ever seen. Thus it's not very mature. I had to install pine and lynx. (I installed Mutt and BitchX because I like them better than pine and ircii.)


Sorry if I sound like a philistine, but I don't think you can judge an operating system based on whether or not it has a version of some ancient text-based UNIX programs! Especially not if that's what you're trying to evolve from!

[BaghdadBob]

Stafordshire -- smart, attractive, über friendly, and pit-bull like "don't ******* with my owner" qualities. My favorite breed, bar none...and an international flavor name. I wuv da witto Staffies!

Doberman -- more international flair. Very, very smart (alternative to GS cop-dog), extremely fast, ferally ferocious, and hardly a better breed around when properly trained.

Malamute -- Wild (husky looking) also smart and friendly. Gorgeous breed. Don't know too much else about their qualities.

Lupis -- Apple's "this is a badass OS" OS name.

OK, I'm out for now.

Oh wait -- Chihuahua -- weak, annoying, loud, and has a penchant for junk food.

[Edit] Phil: I agree, I don't know why Apple would be expected to include legacy software with their modern implementation of the *NIX kernel. For the *NIX power users out there, you should just be happy that you can use the software on something other than a true *NIX OS.

[SubGothius]

Originally posted by MacBandit
Female lions are anything but fat and lazy. Also you would appear lazy also if you lived in the African Savannah and wore a fur coat. In any case how lazy would they look if they were chasing you down?:D I don't know about "fat" -- large and furry, yes, but only somewhat fat for a brief while after digesting a fresh meal; they need to hunt new prey when they run out of fat stored from eating their last victim. IIRC, Desmond Morris pointed out that "a sleepy lion is a successful lion". If they ever look lazy, it's because they're digesting another animal that they recently killed and ate. If a lion hasn't eaten lately, they're far from lazy, nevermind fat.

Mac OS X v10.9 "Lion": Must hunt, kill, and consume other OSen regularly in order to function (but runs a bit sluggish for a while after each conquest). :D

[Macco]

Originally posted by psxndc
I hate MS as musch as the next Mac nut, but let's be real here: XP Professional is $199. OS X is $129. I've had XP for about a year now and MS isn't expecting me to buy an upgrade this year. I bought Jaguar at launch last August and Apple is expecting me to shell out another $129 for Panther. The initial cost of XP is greater, but spread over the 2-3 years between upgrades, it's not as expensive as keeping an up-to-date Mac.


My educational discount makes me feel so superior. Your copy of Panther may cost $129, but mine will only be $69 dollars, assuming Apple keeps the current pricing (please!).

BTW, perhaps you could find a long-lost family member involved in education who could hook you up with Panther at the educational discount.

<edit>
my contribution to the possible dog-names for OS 11:
cockapoo - half cockerspaniel, half poodle

Although the marketing geniuses down at Apple might think the name too suggestive, it is a real breed (or cross-breed) of dog. My dog is a cockapoo.
</edit>

[andyduncan]

Originally posted by jaedreth
However, I had to *download* and *install* very basic unix programs that will come with every posix compliant unix I've ever seen. Thus it's not very mature.

Ok, the very idea that the inclusion of pine is the benchmark for a mature OS is laughable. These basic applications are available. Just because apple chooses not to ship them with the default install doesn't make OSX immature.

As far as Apple only working on OSX for a few years, even NeXt didn't create it from scratch. But I don't think I need to go through a history of BSD here.

There are a lot of nice features in AIX, the LVM being the first one that comes to mind, but I don't think my mom or I need 90% of them. Or Pine for that matter... OSX has a completely different market focus than AIX. I'd rather the talented people at Apple spent their time improving iTunes or Safari or Quartz, than implementing a kernel capable of running on 128 processors, or adding a spell checker to Pine.

[Sherman]

Has anyone here ever used A/UX? I really wish that apple had used it as the base of OS X instead of NeXT. It was just so well done and so well polished, even if it did look like system 7. I think that's what rhapsody was, correct me if I'm wrong, but whatever.

I'm kind of disappointed in them. Used to be such a great system. But no PPC support, so your stuck with 68k macs. I think I'm going to go cry in the corner now.

*cries* I miss you A/UX!

PS: Apple's OS X spell checker recognizes A/UX as a correctly spelled word. Good to know they still love me.

[BaghdadBob]

I thought it was UNIX based :confused:

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by SubGothius
IIRC, Desmond Morris pointed out that "a sleepy lion is a successful lion". If they ever look lazy, it's because they're digesting another animal that they recently killed and ate.

And that is usually when we can take pictures of them. So all we have is pictures of sleepy, lazy lions. Reinforcing a false stereotype :)

Originally posted by Sherman
Has anyone here ever used A/UX? I really wish that apple had used it as the base of OS X instead of NeXT. It was just so well done and so well polished, even if it did look like system 7. I think that's what rhapsody was, correct me if I'm wrong, but whatever.

Rhapsody was Mac OS X with a Mac OS 9 interface and no Carbon support. It was released as the first version of Mac OS X Server.

[MetallicPenguin]

This is off topic but I have a cool idea for part of an Apple commercial. At the end of a commercial advertising 10.3 Panther, there's the black screen with the apple on it. Beside the Apple an animal scratches through the left side of the screen and then jumps out; walks around infront of the Apple. Then lays down, licks his paw.
That would all be computer generated.

[BaghdadBob]

Sounds kinda like a Jaguar 64 commercial to me...

[G4scott]

Originally posted by Tequila Grandma
Hook 'em, horns! Ahem...

Heh...

I'd like everyone here to know (if I haven't said it already), that microsoft's longhorn software is in no way affiliated with The University of Texas at Austin, and their mascot, the Longhorns, specifically, Bevo. Microsoft named their product after a mountain in washington.

Besides, by the time m$ comes out with Longhorn, we'll be on what, Lynx, Cougar? maybe further...

[whooleytoo]

Originally posted by G4scott
Heh...

I'd like everyone here to know (if I haven't said it already), that microsoft's longhorn software is in no way affiliated with The University of Texas at Austin, and their mascot, the Longhorns, specifically, Bevo. Microsoft named their product after a mountain in washington.

Longhorn is a mountain in Washington?

I guess it shouldn't surprise me there's a mountain of bull in Washington... :D

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by whooleytoo
Longhorn is a mountain in Washington?

I guess it shouldn't surprise me there's a mountain of bull in Washington... :D

Actually all the code names for the latest Windows releases have come from the Whistler/Blackcomb resort ski area in British Comlumbia. From what I remember reading abut it Longhorn is a bar in one of the towns at the resort.

[Phil Of Mac]

Yeah, let's resurrect a thread that's three months old!

As a WSU student, I await Mac OS X Cougar.

[yamabushi]

Feline names are cool and all, but I'm not that crazy about the X. When we get OS11 around 2010 I will be glad to see it go. Hopefully OS11 will be a complete rework that is far more stable, secure, and useful than we can currently imagine. How about planets and moons for code names? I await MacOS11 Mercury.:cool:

[MasterMac]

Originally posted by yamabushi
Feline names are cool and all, but I'm not that crazy about the X. When we get OS11 around 2010 I will be glad to see it go. Hopefully OS11 will be a complete rework that is far more stable, secure, and useful than we can currently imagine. How about planets and moons for code names? I await MacOS11 Mercury.:cool:

I wonder if they would skip Uranus :p

[Frohickey]

Maybe they can use this picture for when Lion becomes the next OS release.

http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/images/photo74_1p.jpg http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/images/photo74_2p.jpg

:p :D

[MDiddy]

Originally posted by Frohickey
Maybe they can use this picture for when Lion becomes the next OS release.

http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/images/photo74_1p.jpg http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/images/photo74_2p.jpg

:p :D

....WORST....FELINE......PHOTOSHOP JOB...........EVER!

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by MDiddy
....WORST....FELINE......PHOTOSHOP JOB...........EVER!

Why are people so quick to blow the photoshop horn? It is not a photoshop job.

[sketchy]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
It's still a full version. You can install it on a blank, newly formatted hard drive. It doesn't *require* any previous version.

full version of XP costs $289.99
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005MOTH/104-3534928-5255938?v=glance&s=software (AMazon)
upgrade costs 189 with amazon discount

[sketchy]

Originally posted by MacBandit
Why are people so quick to blow the photoshop horn? It is not a photoshop job.

I thought it was a shaved long hair kitty. ready to go hunting in the swamp :) the big head on the tiny body is cute

Dave

I love my cats

[FlamDrag]

Originally posted by MacBandit
Actually all the code names for the latest Windows releases have come from the Whistler/Blackcomb resort ski area in British Comlumbia. From what I remember reading abut it Longhorn is a bar in one of the towns at the resort.

Nope, Longhorn is a run on one of the mountains. I don't recall which. I'm pretty sure that each codename is a run on the mountains. I don't remember any other code names so I can't verify.

And the cat pics are real. The "lion cut" is not uncommon. Funny as hell, but not uncommon.

[Santiago]

Originally posted by MacBandit
Lynx has also been used for other products. I think Apple can get away with it because it's a non competitive product. That's how come they can use Mac OSX even though OSX is another operating system all together. They were able to get away with it as long as they kepth the Mac in front of OSX.

That would be OS-9 and Mac OS 9. There is no other OSX, though DEC's Unix variant was called OSF, which is pronounced very similarly.

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by Santiago
That would be OS-9 and Mac OS 9. There is no other OSX, though DEC's Unix variant was called OSF, which is pronounced very similarly.

OSF sounds nothing like OS X. X is the roman numeral for "Ten", and while "F" and "X" sound similar, "F" and "Ten" don't.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by Santiago
That would be OS-9 and Mac OS 9. There is no other OSX, though DEC's Unix variant was called OSF, which is pronounced very similarly.

You got me there. Sometimes all those millions of useless facts in my head get crosswired. Thanks for setting the record straight.

[iHack]

Originally posted by Frohickey
Maybe they can use this picture for when Lion becomes the next OS release.

http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/images/photo74_1p.jpg http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/images/photo74_2p.jpg

:p :D

Why some one would post pictures of their molested cat is beyond me. And I don't think Apple will use pictures of resurrected road kill for their next OS release.

And jaguar is a car with a great history, which got it's name after SS (which was the original name) went out fashion in the non-german speaking part of the world around '40-'45. A De Tomaso Pantera is a cool car as well (check out the pic). The Sunbeam Tiger ('64-'68) is also quite cool, although Caroll Shelby who did most of its engineering did a better job on the original AC Cobra.
So Apple could switch to snakes via tigers.
There is quite a nice collection of vipers cobras and what have you out there. Check out the crocodile hunter, that nut usually is picking a number of them up with his bare hands (saying "one bite will kill you is 5 seconds. Isn't he great?")

M.

(and please don't say jackwire, it makes you sound like a moron)

PS. I'm more of a dog person.

[joshuwa72]

I think the reason for Windows XP having the "XP" is this:

The letters X and P, in the greek alphabet are "chi" and "rho".

those two togtether ("chi-rho") = the greek word for "Christ."

Now, why would windows do this for an OS ?

Back in the early roman days, there was a leader by the name of Constantine. Since the major religoin in that area was not christianity (this was the time christians were killed for being christian) Constantine was not a christian either. However, while readying to lead his men in to battle, Constantine saw a sign from God. In this sign he saw the letters "XP" (sign of the cross..."chi-ro"..."Christ") and heard a voice that said "By this sign, you will conqueor!".

Right then, Constantine made all his army paint that sign (XP) on all of their sheilds, army - everything.

Sure enough, Constantine conqueored and won the battle. From then on, Constantine outlawed the persicution of Christians and later became christian himself.

I think Windows being named "XP" has its roots with this story. Microsoft believes that "By this sign" they will conqueor.

[visor]

Originally posted by fabsgwu
From the company press release for 10.0-->
point taken, however about it being a branding device. However, so is XP for Microsoft. And sometimes you have to move on; if we make it to 10.9, I'm sure we'll all be ready for a change. Z perhaps? Works for Nissan.

after X is R. just like Honda's CBX that turned into CBR. Very neat motorbikes.

R like Race-line ;)

[SallyWattle]

I thought Garfield was going to be a code name.

[Balooba]

Actually there is no Genus called Panther. The genus which contains many big cats (within the Felidae family) is called Panthera. Regardless, Cougar & Puma, and Jaguar & Panther are just names. Apple can call their new OS:s any of those names and they don't have to mean different feline species for me to be happy as long as the names are cool. Which they are.
On a different note it is absolutely up to this thread to come up with a solution for the What-comes-after-Mac OS X version 10.9-problem.
There is nothing that prevents a version 10.10 as normal decimals don't apply to version numbers. And Steve declared that Mac OS X is supposed to be pronounced "Mac-oh-ess-ten" it would be weird to have a Mac OS X version 11.0 in my opinion.
I personally hope to see a Mac OS Z. Perhaps with code names that wouldn't infringe on anybody's copyright. Allow me to suggest Ringo, Paul, Lennon, Help!, Strawberry fields, Macrosoft, Volvo, etc.

[esternullo]

the Lynx...

wasn't that the Neo Geo handheld?

dood i wanna go play samurai showdown now, never mind the A.D.D...