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alebar14
Jul 19, 2007, 10:47 PM
Hi guys, I want to buy a secondhand laptop for mac. I do design in Photoshop, Illustrator, iNdesign, and Acrobat CS.

Is Powerbook still worth it to do as part of my daily basis (freelance) ?



Royale w/cheese
Jul 19, 2007, 10:50 PM
As long as you get a good price on it, it should be ok. What CS version? What specs of Powerbook? What price?

AlBDamned
Jul 19, 2007, 10:52 PM
Hi guys, I want to buy a secondhand laptop for mac. I do design in Photoshop, Illustrator, iNdesign, and Acrobat CS.

Is Powerbook still worth it to do as part of my daily basis (freelance) ?

They're still capable machines for regular work but as RW/C says, it's all dependent on how much work, what price you get and what machine it is.

MacNut
Jul 19, 2007, 11:01 PM
As long as you can get software for it its fine.

alebar14
Jul 19, 2007, 11:05 PM
From trademe.co.nz:

The Powerbook ranges from
1.0 Ghz - 1.25 ghz - 1.33 Ghz - 1.5 Ghz - 1.67 Ghz.What's this number make any difference ?

If I buy 1.33 Ghz, is is till worth to buy to keep atleast 1-2 years ahead ? What d'ya think ?


I probably going to install Adobe Suite CS 3

So give me more suggestion guys...!

alebar14
Jul 19, 2007, 11:20 PM
Is Processor important than RAM ?

Let's say if I buy a Powerbook 1.0 Ghz with a 1.25 GB RAM. Doesnt it make a worth doing a multitask, design ?

AlBDamned
Jul 19, 2007, 11:22 PM
Let's say if I buy a Powerbook 1.0 Ghz with a 1.25 GB RAM. Doesnt it make a worth doing a multitask, design ?

CS3 will be dog slow on that machine.

AlBDamned
Jul 19, 2007, 11:23 PM
From trademe.co.nz:

The Powerbook ranges from
1.0 Ghz - 1.25 ghz - 1.33 Ghz - 1.5 Ghz - 1.67 Ghz.What's this number make any difference ?



Aside from the fact that the 1.67 's processors is 67% faster than the 1.0Ghz, no.. ;)

alebar14
Jul 19, 2007, 11:24 PM
So I should just stay with Adobe Suite CS 2 ?
What are you suggestion getting this Processor powerbook between 1.0 Ghz - 1.5 Ghz ?

Royale w/cheese
Jul 19, 2007, 11:28 PM
CS3 will be dog slow on that machine.

Yeah, CS3 would be bearable, but barely. You should get at least a 1.5ghz. But at alot of the current prices, just get a refurb macbook, starting at $799.

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/6924001/wo/Fj2ANTYyjcPk2iFOslxfpeAlDWj/8.0.0.28.7.5.5.1.1.1.1

I could sell you a Indesign CS@ for cheap though, it would run great. :D

AlBDamned
Jul 19, 2007, 11:31 PM
So I should just stay with Adobe Suite CS 2 ?
What are you suggestion getting this Processor powerbook between 1.0 Ghz - 1.5 Ghz ?

I think you really need to do some research and consider what it is you want to do with a laptop. Sounds like you're not sure at all and you need to really have some idea of what it is you want, why, how much you want to spend etc.

A good combo would be a 1.5-1.67 PowerBook, with Max (2GB) and Adobe CS, maybe CS2.

Anything else is going to feel real slow, real quickly.

Royale w/cheese
Jul 19, 2007, 11:32 PM
Harsh. :)

alebar14
Jul 19, 2007, 11:58 PM
I guess I'll go for 1.5 Ghz Powerbook and boost up the highest RAM.
I like Mac book Intel's capability, but I prefer the sexy Aluminium-based Powerbook.

iToaster
Jul 19, 2007, 11:59 PM
Powerbooks are old machines. Not too terribly old for a Mac, but you really can't expect it to last too long. It's been gone for 2 years now I believe. I'd get one as a collectors item, not to actually do computing on. You can, you just don't want to in the end. Buy a refurb MB or something along those lines... nothing wrong with a PB, you just won't be impressed.

AlBDamned
Jul 20, 2007, 12:01 AM
Harsh. :)

Yeah true, I've edited it... :o

Royale w/cheese
Jul 20, 2007, 12:04 AM
I guess I'll go for 1.5 Ghz Powerbook and boost up the highest RAM.
I like Mac book Intel's capability, but I prefer the sexy Aluminium-based Powerbook.

Macbook Pros use the practically the same enclosure. So looks are more important than work efficiency? But you want second hand and cheaper? To each their own, enjoy.

Royale w/cheese
Jul 20, 2007, 12:05 AM
Yeah true, I've edited it... :o

Come on man, don't censor yourself! :D

alebar14
Jul 20, 2007, 12:10 AM
What makes a difference between :

Mac Book 2.0 Ghz with 2 GB RAM ,and
Mac Book 2.16 Ghz with 2 GB RAM ?

Royale w/cheese
Jul 20, 2007, 01:49 AM
Isn't this your thread too?

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=331924

chaosbunny
Jul 20, 2007, 02:26 AM
I still use the powerbook in my sig for my design work. It's been running for 10+ hours almost every day for the past 2 years, and it's not slow at all for the stuff I do. I use it for photoshop, illustrator, indesign CS2 and light cinema 4D work.

Definitely get 2 gb ram, you really notice the difference. But while I plan to keep my pb for at least another year, I wouldn't buy one now. Do you have an external monitor? The macbooks screen is pretty small for doing design work on it imo.

booksacool1
Jul 20, 2007, 03:53 AM
I'd recommend you don't get a 2nd hand powerbook - they are very overpriced and pretty slow nowadays. An old G4 just can't hope to compete with a Core Duo or even a Pentium M. Only thing its got going for it is a dedicated graphics card, which probably isn't that much use to you.

I'd recommend a cheap macbook or something. Get a refurbished one if necessary, it will be miles ahead of a powerbook at a surprisingly similar price.

Royale w/cheese
Jul 20, 2007, 04:13 AM
...I'd recommend a cheap macbook or something. Get a refurbished one if necessary, it will be miles ahead of a powerbook at a surprisingly similar price.
Or surprisingly cheaper. :D

iProd
Jul 20, 2007, 04:35 AM
What are you lot going on about CS3 running dog slow on a 1ghz G4?? I've ran it on my 500mhz G4 Pismo (processor upgrade) and 768mb of RAM and it was pretty bearable. It wasn't much intense work, though, mostly some logo designing, a bit of photo editing, etc..

discodave
Jul 20, 2007, 05:06 AM
The comments made here about Aluminium G4 PowerBooks is just wrong. Well, most of them. CS3 runs as good, if not better than CS2 on my PowerBook G4 1.33Ghz, with 1.5GB Ram. I also own the latest C2D iMac and MacBook and for everyday work there is not much difference. The G4 takes a couple more bounces before apps open, sure, but thats really not the best indicator of performance.

If you can find a relatively recent PowerBook at a good price, don't hesitate. Go for it. Ignore the recently converted Mac fanboys that have no idea of the real power of a G4.

booksacool1
Jul 20, 2007, 05:36 AM
The comments made here about Aluminium G4 PowerBooks is just wrong. Well, most of them. CS3 runs as good, if not better than CS2 on my PowerBook G4 1.33Ghz, with 1.5GB Ram. I also own the latest C2D iMac and MacBook and for everyday work there is not much difference. The G4 takes a couple more bounces before apps open, sure, but thats really not the best indicator of performance.

If you can find a relatively recent PowerBook at a good price, don't hesitate. Go for it. Ignore the recently converted Mac fanboys that have no idea of the real power of a G4.

Well... I've used powerpc's since my 450mhz G3 and I am NO fanboy. I prefer windows as I play a lot of games. But I have to say, in processing power/dollars the macbook leads the way unless you have specialised graphics requirements (e.g. gaming :D).

I'm just saying that you probably won't find a recent powerbook at a great price. I've been looking on ebay and have found that some newish macbooks are actually cheaper. 2nd hand apple products have a long history of being overpriced (probably due to stupid buyers...). You end up paying new-mac-money for a used mac. Doesn't that seem a bit senseless?

And lastly (again)- I am NOT a fanboy. I just understand the true value of a G4, and it doesn't compare favourably to a modern budget priced core 2 duo.
Sure the G4 systems still have some 'Go' in them, but if you can get something faster for the same price, why wouldn't you?

CrackedButter
Jul 20, 2007, 06:45 AM
I recently bought a used G4 17", 1.5 Ghz. Thankfully the thing had problems because I wanted to return it when I got it home. Leave the G4 behind, get the MB like I did instead, it's brilliant compared to the G4 PowerBook.

crees!
Jul 20, 2007, 07:24 AM
The comments made here about Aluminium G4 PowerBooks is just wrong. Well, most of them. CS3 runs as good, if not better than CS2 on my PowerBook G4 1.33Ghz, with 1.5GB Ram. I also own the latest C2D iMac and MacBook and for everyday work there is not much difference. The G4 takes a couple more bounces before apps open, sure, but thats really not the best indicator of performance.

If you can find a relatively recent PowerBook at a good price, don't hesitate. Go for it. Ignore the recently converted Mac fanboys that have no idea of the real power of a G4.

Agreed. I have a 1.25Ghz G4 PowerBook. Almost 4 years after purchasing it and it's still running strong. I have 1.5GB RAM installed in my machine. I would recommend no less. If you can get 2 GB RAM in there, more power to you. If I had the choice between faster processor or more RAM - I'd go with more RAM. That's unless you're planning on upgrading (more RAM) the computer soon after you get it, then I'd go with the faster processor.

ktbubster
Jul 21, 2007, 04:26 AM
from someone who up until a few months ago was running CS suite on a 867mhz tibook with 1 gig of ram in it... I have to say, the powerbook g4s can be pretty impressive machines as that thing still held it's own pretty darn well most of the time. I only finally upgraded to a CD macbook pro because I'm in design and need to do 3d modeling via windows a lot so the intel and parallels etc drew me in so I could have the ability to use windows when i HAD to (ugh) ... and ofcourse my new comp is about 2039483024823048 times faster then the old one, but .... that's not saying that that thing didn't chug along and I can only assume the latest versions were darn impressive (I have a friend who still uses his 1.5 in class everyday for the whole CS2 suite and it flies)

However..... they are right in saying that you can probably get a refurb macbook c2d for the same if not less then people are still selling their powerbooks for, and that would be a much wiser investment... spend another 150 for a 19 or 20 inch external and you will be set.

If you can find a good deal though, and you'd prefer just a laptop and the sexier (IMHO) encloser of the powerbook... try looking around for a CD 1.83 or 2.0 ghz Macbook Pro like in my sig. It's not the newest but it'll be more updated, go faster then the powerbooks on a lot of apps (mine does.. hehe) and probably be a better investment. I'd be willing to bet you could find one for about 1000... maybe someone here in marketplace is even selling one. I just got a CD 2.16 for my bf with 256 vram etc for 1200 ish... last month.. so I could assume mine is going for less.

The newer processors and chipsets would be a wise investment.

Royale w/cheese
Jul 21, 2007, 03:28 PM
I am NOT a fanboy. I just understand the true value of a G4, and it doesn't compare favourably to a modern budget priced core 2 duo.
Sure the G4 systems still have some 'Go' in them, but if you can get something faster for the same price, why wouldn't you?

I have had almost every revision of the G4, from 400mhz sawtooth (which still gets usage because its O.G.), to the last revision powerbooks in both 12" and 17". Yes, more than capable machines, but for universal apps, and the price of current machines, macintels are a better value and investment in my opinion.

When working with large files in Indesign CS3, I can definitely see a great improvement, even from my old G5.

But, yes there are no doubts in the G4 PB power, but they are quickly becoming outdated, not obsolete, but a G4 is definitely getting long in the tooth.

As for fanboy, yes, I am not afraid to admit that. Recently converted? No. User of Windows, Linux, proudly of Macs for well over a decade. But will tell it like it is.

zap2
Jul 22, 2007, 02:12 AM
I have a G4 iBook...similar specs to what you have looking at...I love it, but its slow. I only have 512Mbs RAM in it, but I find it slow running NeoOffice, iTunes and Safari

Get a MacBook if you can...even a used one