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MacRumors
Jul 25, 2003, 12:28 AM
MacOSRumors (http://www.macosrumors.com/) posts an update claiming that the future Powerbooks will have backlit keyboards throughout the entire line.

iMacs are also supposed to get mild case revisions -- slightly smaller and lighter:

Whether the shell would actually be made of metal, or would simply be silver-backed plastics similar to previous PowerMac G4 enclosures, is not yet clear; it is definite that the changes are coming, however



NNO-Stephen
Jul 25, 2003, 12:28 AM
the actual MOSR quote about the PowerBooks is here:
one notable tidbit we've been able to dig up is this: all three models are expected to sport Apple's fiber-optic backlit keyboard/dynamic screen brightness adjustment system. The 12-inch model may also be getting thinner -- if not in the very next revision, by the time the next update rolls around we should see 12-inch Powerbook G4s around an inch thick....or less.


wether or not it's true, it's still quite interesting, and I'd love it to be true... but meh, we'll see.

Spart
Jul 25, 2003, 12:54 AM
Fiber optic?

I could have sworn the lighting method was something else, though I could be wrong. Then again, expecting MOSR to check their facts before posting is a little too much. If you're going to make up crap, at least make sure the stuff you say can't be disproved with confirmed, non-rumor info in the public domain.

NNO-Stephen
Jul 25, 2003, 01:09 AM
Originally posted by Spart
Fiber optic?

I could have sworn the lighting method was something else, though I could be wrong. Then again, expecting MOSR to check their facts before posting is a little too much. If you're going to make up crap, at least make sure the stuff you say can't be disproved with confirmed, non-rumor info in the public domain.

it is fiber optic. I remember the keynote vividly on that portion. was such a cool feature. man. but yeah, it is fiber optic. and ambient light sensors control that and the brightness of the display.

danielgrenell
Jul 25, 2003, 01:13 AM
they are not going to change the color of the imac, the imac is a consumer product, consumer products are white, professional products are silver/grey

Omek
Jul 25, 2003, 02:23 AM
MMMmmm.... backlit keyboards across the entire line. That would be awesome.... Come on Apple release those suckers! Or at least announce them and tell us that Moto is kinda slow so we can at least pre-order them!!!

jbomber
Jul 25, 2003, 03:03 AM
Originally posted by Omek
MMMmmm.... backlit keyboards across the entire line. That would be awesome.... Come on Apple release those suckers! Or at least announce them and tell us that Moto is kinda slow so we can at least pre-order them!!!

I wish they would too, but they'll probably wait til it's go time before mentioning one word about new books. gotta sell off that surplus somehow....

panphage
Jul 25, 2003, 04:46 AM
Originally posted by jbomber
I wish they would too, but they'll probably wait til it's go time before mentioning one word about new books. gotta sell off that surplus somehow....

What surplus? Apple is legendary for keeping a low, low inventory. It's one of the (few) things investors like about Apple. The tibook is now 8-9 months old w/o change. They've had plenty of time to burn inventory. They're waiting for the 7447s from Moto and I'll bet they've got them. 1.3 ghz 7447 w 512k L2 and no L3. We'll see if my "source" is good.

SubGothius
Jul 25, 2003, 08:43 AM
As posted by MacOSRumors.com:
Whether the shell would actually be made of metal, or would simply be silver-backed plastics similar to previous PowerMac G4 enclosures, is not yet clear; it is definite that the changes are coming, howeverI think an iMac chromed on the inside (same as it's currently painted white on the inside) of the matte-finish clear plastic shell could look rather nifty, and the chrome Apple logo on the outside of the shell would seem to "hover" over the chrome plating on the inside. I wouldn't mind seeing the iMac offered in a variety of appearances again -- no more candy colors, too passť by now thx, but how about choosing your iMac in white, black (pics (http://homepage.mac.com/kindo3/PhotoAlbum6.html), more pics (http://homepage.mac.com/kindo3/PhotoAlbum15.html)), or inner-chromed?Originally posted by danielgrenell
they are not going to change the color of the imac, the imac is a consumer product, consumer products are white, professional products are silver/grey ...for now, but that could change; e.g., professional products are metal-clad, whereas consumer products would be plastic-clad.

ryan
Jul 25, 2003, 09:05 AM
Originally posted by danielgrenell
they are not going to change the color of the imac, the imac is a consumer product, consumer products are white, professional products are silver/grey The '"i" line of Macs used to be blue, the pro G3's used to be green, things change.

Veldek
Jul 25, 2003, 09:34 AM
Originally posted by Omek
Or at least announce them and tell us that Moto is kinda slow so we can at least pre-order them!!!

I don't think there's a need to do this. Unlike the Power Macs the PowerBooks still sell good enough to keep the announcement until they're really available within a short time.

Morpheus
Jul 25, 2003, 09:40 AM
What would be really cool is if they put a light behind the crome apple logo on the imac...then when you turned the lights out the edges of the logo would glow

As for black imacs...looks too much like a dell. Maybe chrome, but even that seems reserved for the powermac/book lineup

visor
Jul 25, 2003, 10:30 AM
on a 12" pb would be cool.

I'd even consider to trade my ibook for a PB then. Right now, the extra value is to little, but since I like working darker environments, it would be a major benefit.

phampton81
Jul 25, 2003, 11:14 AM
These guys are great, they will never cease to amuse me.

"One thing we can say for sure is that the etire product line will see at least minor revisions within the next year"

Now don't be hasty MOSR you wouldn't want to give too solid a rumor we could pin you with.

insidedanshead
Jul 25, 2003, 12:22 PM
macosrumors is a joke.

snofseth
Jul 25, 2003, 12:22 PM
I dont think appple can make the 12" thiner unless they loose the cd drive, they may be able to add the backlit keyboard but not thiner. I think there is not enough room in the computer. The 15 and 17 have much more space so they can be thiner. I think if they removed the cd drive it could be thiner than the 17" but that doesn't seem something that apple would do then you need an exteranal cd drive. I think most of the I apps dont support them well.

NNO-Stephen
Jul 25, 2003, 12:33 PM
yeah, I dont know how Apple could make it thinner unless they went up to a 14.1" screen. (then they could have a higher resolution) so maybe they will go up two inches...

bennetsaysargh
Jul 25, 2003, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by NNO-Stephen
yeah, I dont know how Apple could make it thinner unless they went up to a 14.1" screen. (then they could have a higher resolution) so maybe they will go up two inches...

the powerbooks won't be replacing a 12" with a 14". there would almst be no differenve between them and the 15"

anyway, backlit keyboards should be put into the destop models. pro and consumer.

NNO-Stephen
Jul 25, 2003, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by bennetsaysargh
the powerbooks won't be replacing a 12" with a 14". there would almst be no differenve between them and the 15"

anyway, backlit keyboards should be put into the destop models. pro and consumer.

there would be a difference if it wasn't widescreen and the 15.2 went to the oft rumored 15.4. 1.25 inches between the two and the 15.4 would be widescreen.

QCassidy352
Jul 25, 2003, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by visor
on a 12" pb would be cool.

I'd even consider to trade my ibook for a PB then. Right now, the extra value is to little, but since I like working darker environments, it would be a major benefit.

yeah, I feel the same way. Not enough difference b/t the 12" PB and an ibook to justify the extra cost as of now, but if they add some of those cool "pro" features to the 12" PB, that would be a different story.

plinkoman
Jul 25, 2003, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by NNO-Stephen
there would be a difference if it wasn't widescreen and the 15.2 went to the oft rumored 15.4. 1.25 inches between the two and the 15.4 would be widescreen.

the whole purpose of the 12 was for portability, by making it such an insignifigant amount smaller then the 15, who would buy it

e-coli
Jul 25, 2003, 03:44 PM
I'm betting the iMac hemisphere goes metal because of the heat produced by the faster G4's.

Also, add a (desperately needed) graphics card update, and it's going to need fans or different materials.

If they make the dome smaller, they're going to have to go with portable hard drives like those found in the PowerBooks.

Capt Underpants
Jul 25, 2003, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by QCassidy352
Not enough difference b/t the 12" PB and an ibook to justify the extra cost as of now, but if they add some of those cool "pro" features to the 12" PB, that would be a different story.

Wait? I disagree. I do believe the 12 incher has enough features to justify the extra cost. It is lighter (4.6 compared to 4.9), It has the option for a superdrive. It has a G4 (altivec, etc.), Bluetooth built in, and can be airport extreme ready. That is good enough for me. You can solve the keyboard problem with a worm light (if it comes right down to it). I know it isn't as good, but what the hay.

SeaFox
Jul 25, 2003, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by ryan
The '"i" line of Macs used to be blue, the pro G3's used to be green, things change.

The pro G3's were never green, they were Bondi Blue like the original iMac, hence they are now referrred to as the B&W (Blue and White) G3's.

ph_555_shag
Jul 26, 2003, 09:42 AM
god that black iMac REALY does look Dell like........... I LOVE the white iMacs they havea very clean look, changing to metal would make then look much less apealing to my eye

jbomber
Jul 26, 2003, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by ph_555_shag
god that black iMac REALY does look Dell like........... I LOVE the white iMacs they havea very clean look, changing to metal would make then look much less apealing to my eye

They'd look like some kind of weird kitchen appliance if they were metal.....

NNO-Stephen
Jul 26, 2003, 02:21 PM
Originally posted by plinkoman
the whole purpose of the 12 was for portability, by making it such an insignifigant amount smaller then the 15, who would buy it

me. 12 is too small. small enough that you can't get any work done. You cannot do work on 1024x768 in OS X. you just dont have enough real estate. if they raise the resolution on a 12", does not solve the issue because then you can't see anything. only solution is to go 14" also to avoid the top end iBook being better overall.

cubist
Jul 26, 2003, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by jbomber
They'd look like some kind of weird kitchen appliance if they were metal.....

Let's have a photoshop, somebody!

Can we have a metal keyboard with backlight too?

daveg5
Jul 26, 2003, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by Veldek
I don't think there's a need to do this. Unlike the Power Macs the PowerBooks still sell good enough to keep the announcement until they're really available within a short time.
how about aluminum

bennetsaysargh
Jul 26, 2003, 03:28 PM
with an aluminum iMac, wouldn't AE be hard inless if they put an antenna on the outside like the powermacs?

plinkoman
Jul 26, 2003, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by NNO-Stephen
me. 12 is too small. small enough that you can't get any work done. You cannot do work on 1024x768 in OS X. you just dont have enough real estate. if they raise the resolution on a 12", does not solve the issue because then you can't see anything. only solution is to go 14" also to avoid the top end iBook being better overall.

yea, but for hardly any more money(a 14" would cost almost as much as the 15") you could get an extra inch, and be able to see even better, but at only an inch bigger, it will hardly be less portable, so what the hell would be the point of buying the 14" if it existed??

if 12" isn't enough for you, then just get the 15" if the 15" is .03mm too long for you, then deal with it rather then tell apple to get rid of it's best selling pb for something more expensive and virtually indistinguishable from the 15"

and how is the 14" ibook better overall? the bigger screen doesn't even have a higher resolution, not to mention pb12 beats it on performence

tazo
Jul 28, 2003, 02:41 PM
that sounds cool, but if it adds weight to the pbook line i don't think its worth it; i would rather have portability over novelty.

Syncopator
Aug 13, 2003, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by danielgrenell
they are not going to change the color of the imac, the imac is a consumer product, consumer products are white, professional products are silver/grey

It's amazing how you can make such an ignorant statement with such all-knowing authority. Perhaps consumer products are currently white, and professional products are currently silver/grey; but was it *always* that way? What color were consumer products, just 3 years ago? (Remember Bondi, Strawberry, and Lime?) We may not be going back to that, but what makes you think consumer products will be white and professional products will be silver/grey FOREVER?!? Don't you think Apple will change their color scheme EVENTUALLY?!? I'd say it's inevitable. Maybe not this year, but it's inevitable.

Mudbug
Aug 13, 2003, 08:32 AM
This would be an interesting thing to speculate on - not only when they will change the colors of the products in the future, but what color's they'll change to. I for one like the white, but I have to agree with you - they'll probably break from the solid white in time. It's just a matter of when and to what.

anthonymoody
Aug 13, 2003, 10:08 AM
"What surplus? Apple is legendary for keeping a low, low inventory. It's one of the (few) things investors like about Apple."


Actually, Apple is notoriously awful at accurately predicting demand, and several times in its history has taken massive inventory writeoff charges as a result - effectively blowing many quarters in the process. Further, Apple has also missed many quarters b/c it was unable to fill orders. So, whether it be a gross overestimation or a gross underestimateion, extremely poor inventory management is one of the things that *infuriates* investors about Apple.

And, when measured in days sales, Apple's inventory is persistently far higher than that of HP or DELL (which itself represents the holy grail of supply chain management).

Of course, it's arguable that it's not Apple's fault, that if the market for the CPUs and other non-(PC)standard components like motherboards that Apple uses in its designs were larger and more liquid, Apple would have an easier time of it b/c it could rely on supplier liquidity to rapidly fill its inventory pipeline.

Nonetheless, Apple is probably the worst among high profile players in the industry as far as inventory management.

TM

daveg5
Aug 13, 2003, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by NNO-Stephen
me. 12 is too small. small enough that you can't get any work done. You cannot do work on 1024x768 in OS X. you just dont have enough real estate. if they raise the resolution on a 12", does not solve the issue because then you can't see anything. only solution is to go 14" also to avoid the top end iBook being better overall.
you can with codeteks virtual screen it gives you up to 100 independant screens an a pager switcher great for photoshop, internet chatting itunes all on diff screens with instant switching this should be standard instead of expose.

reedm007
Aug 13, 2003, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by anthonymoody
Actually, Apple is notoriously awful at accurately predicting demand, and several times in its history has taken massive inventory writeoff charges as a result - effectively blowing many quarters in the process. Further, Apple has also missed many quarters b/c it was unable to fill orders.

[snip]

And, when measured in days sales, Apple's inventory is persistently far higher than that of HP or DELL (which itself represents the holy grail of supply chain management).

[snip]

Nonetheless, Apple is probably the worst among high profile players in the industry as far as inventory management.

TM [/B]

I don't have the time to go find all the information, but as someone who has followed Apple's supply management and inventory for years, you may want to re-check your facts.

I agree wholeheartedly with your first statement on prediction of demand, but their inventory in days is frequently lower than Dell, often measured in under 24 hours. 4 years ago Dell was the leader, but Apple has given them a run for their money in more recent times. You have probably picked certain notoriously bad product launches and over-weighted those: the cube (massive overestimation) and the powerbooks (massive underestimation).

update: Check out the SEC report (http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_files/NSD/AAPL/Q310Q.pdf) filed today -- 3 days of inventory. Not too shabby, when compared to Dell's "staggeringly low four days of inventory" from Q1 '03. (I don't know what Dell's was for this past quarter -- it may in fact be as low or lower than Apple's, but my point is Apple's isn't bad at all).