No more BBEdit?

[lem0nayde]

Hey everyone.
I'm in the middle of a page intensive website coding - and I absolutely can't stand BBedit for one second longer. It's a great text editor, no doubt, but when you are working on large sites you need a clean, organized way to keep all of the pages you have open available to you.

The only program I know of that does this successfully is Homesite - on Windows. It has a fantastic contained disk browser / editor / html display format that makes writing code a much simpler task. The best part of it though, is that it keeps all of the documents you have open in a tab interface, so you can easily click between them - without searching through 500 finder windows to find what you are looking for.

Does anyone know of anything like this on the mac? Does anyone know if Macromedia is planning a port of Homesite?

I hate Windows - but this is one aspect of OS X that Windows has beat - organization of heirarchical, easily accessible data. The Finder is pretty - but it get's in the way.

Joe

[robbieduncan]

iirc Quanta does this as well. It's a KDE program originally, but can be obtained from fink and run under X11.

[pEZ]

When you're talking Web site organization, Dreamweaver is your tool - with the new MX version, it keeps all of your pages hierarchally organized so that the site will work in it's optimum state.

Though I might be misunderstanding your question.

[peteMG]

I totally agree. I used HTML-Kit (chami.com (http://chami.com) ) on windows for a long time to to PHP coding on some big projects, and when I got my powerbook and wanted to work on that, I was really disappointed to find that my once-loved BBEdit had fallen behind. HTML-Kit has the IDE-type interface too, and better syntax coloring (BBedit still can't handle some PHP syntax correctly) and it's free. No multi-file search, though.

Yeah, I'd take a serious look at a workspace-oriented text editor for OS X. I'm looking for a good cheap Java IDE, too.

-p

[lem0nayde]

Yeah, what's up with BBedits minimal color syntaxing? They need to add much more substantial tag-based coloring - what they have now tends to distract me more than help me.

I wish barebones would just take BBedit - because it really is an excellent editor - and put it in an organized interface. I'd buy it in a second.

[lem0nayde]

oh wow... I just looked at Quanta -

http://www.thekompany.com/products/quanta/screenshots.php3

This might be exactly what I'm looking for. Does it run smoothly on the X11 beta for MacOSX? If so, I'll start using it today.

It says it is Mac OSX ready - do I even need X11? This is awesome. Can't wait to give it a try.

Thanks for introducing me to this product!!! You may just have saved my sanity.

Joe

[szark]

Originally posted by pEZ
When you're talking Web site organization, Dreamweaver is your tool - with the new MX version, it keeps all of your pages hierarchally organized so that the site will work in it's optimum state.

Though I might be misunderstanding your question.

Actually, the MX version of Dreamweaver incorporates HomeSite technology:

From the Dreamweaver MX product page (http://www.macromedia.com/software/dreamweaver/productinfo/product_overview/) : (emphasis added)

Achieve complete control over code and design. Build the site you want, the way you want it, using the visual layout tools of Dreamweaver combined with the code-editing tools of HomeSite.

· HomeSite+ Included: Get HomeSite+, the combination of ColdFusion Studio 5 and HomeSite 5

I am also a HomeSite fan, and would really like to see a standalone version for OS X.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by lem0nayde
oh wow... I just looked at Quanta -

http://www.thekompany.com/products/quanta/screenshots.php3

This might be exactly what I'm looking for. Does it run smoothly on the X11 beta for MacOSX? If so, I'll start using it today.

It says it is Mac OSX ready - do I even need X11? This is awesome. Can't wait to give it a try.

Thanks for introducing me to this product!!! You may just have saved my sanity.

Joe

They have a demo version on the website you can check out. It looks powerful, but is still pretty buggy on OS X.

[allpar]

Go to versiontracker - there are a BUNCH of free and cheap programs that do this very thing, quite well.

[whawho]

Originally posted by lem0nayde
Hey everyone.
I'm in the middle of a page intensive website coding - and I absolutely can't stand BBedit for one second longer. It's a great text editor, no doubt, but when you are working on large sites you need a clean, organized way to keep all of the pages you have open available to you.

The only program I know of that does this successfully is Homesite - on Windows. It has a fantastic contained disk browser / editor / html display format that makes writing code a much simpler task. The best part of it though, is that it keeps all of the documents you have open in a tab interface, so you can easily click between them - without searching through 500 finder windows to find what you are looking for.

Does anyone know of anything like this on the mac? Does anyone know if Macromedia is planning a port of Homesite?

I hate Windows - but this is one aspect of OS X that Windows has beat - organization of heirarchical, easily accessible data. The Finder is pretty - but it get's in the way.

Joe

This was my biggest beef against BBedit when I first start using it (well besides the price ) :) I couldn't stand that there wasn't a tabbed interface to switch between multiple docs when coding. Coming from windows and using UltraEdit http://www.ultraedit.com/ I thought it was a step back using BBedit.

However after using BBedit for a bit I found a decent way to manage your open documents. Now it's no tabbed interface but it's ok. If you go to Window > Palettes > Windows, this will open a floating menu that lists all the open documents. I found this to be the best way to try to mimic tabs and manage your docs.

Regards,

Scott

[gopher]

Keep the Windows pallete open on BBEdit. You'll find it in your Windows menu. Shows you all your pages at a glance all the time in alphabetical order.

[lem0nayde]

I'll have to give the windows menu a shot when I get home. Leave it to me to not even notice a built in feature for organization. I assumed the "disk browser" was the best it got.

I've searched on version tracker but didn't find what I was looking for - can the person who recommended that name some specific apps to search for?

I'm managing to get through this project with ol' BB but I'd really love something new.

I tried Quanta - man was that buggy. I had to get rid of it right away. Unfortunately, it had a near perfect and amazing interface. It did bizarre things though - taking 20 seconds to select a line of text and such...maybe I am missing something i need to run it...but it opened like a regular mac osx app. strange.

Calling all ambitious programmers: This is the app to build for Mac OS X if you want to do something that is in demand.

Joe

[gopher]

Originally posted by lem0nayde
I'll have to give the windows menu a shot when I get home. Leave it to me to not even notice a built in feature for organization. I assumed the "disk browser" was the best it got.

I've searched on version tracker but didn't find what I was looking for - can the person who recommended that name some specific apps to search for?

I'm managing to get through this project with ol' BB but I'd really love something new.

I tried Quanta - man was that buggy. I had to get rid of it right away. Unfortunately, it had a near perfect and amazing interface. It did bizarre things though - taking 20 seconds to select a line of text and such...maybe I am missing something i need to run it...but it opened like a regular mac osx app. strange.

Calling all ambitious programmers: This is the app to build for Mac OS X if you want to do something that is in demand.

Joe

I do my entire webpage with BBEdit. I suggest getting the paper manual on BBEdit which comes with the Professional version. It is indispensable.

[filipp]

Men, this windows-palette is just awesome!

I've been using BBedit since I switched and I love most of it, but the only thing I wished was some kind of list of open documents, I had often to press ?-1/2/3/4 etc...

Now I'm totally happy =)
well, c ya, gotta work (more effective than ever)
/ filipp

[netgene]

I am a loyal user of html-kit... but because of external reasons, i just got an iMAC... now.. i need to use html-kit.. or something similar, all the programs you mentioned on this thread... were not really usefull.. Except for a little bit the bbedit... but, it is annoying to have to confirm everytime i want to save a file on the ftp, it connects, then asks for confirmation, and i couldnt find where to disable that!

Any help/ or any recomendation for a program like that/ my only requierements, is to have, integrated ftp, that i can work remotetly on the files on the ftp, plain text editor.. and.. tab organization.. ANYONE?

thanks,. :)

[filipp]

You can combine BBEdit with Transmit FTP client. Then you can browse your files remotely, doubliclick, edit, command+S and it automatically saves the changes on you server.

Or you could just mount your FTP-site in Finder and BBEdit will think the files are local, no problems there.

/ filipp

[netgene]

Oh wow, thanks for your help!

I have had my imac, for just 2 days now :) ( i am an old pc/ linux user ) so i am just too new to do that on a mac, but thanks for the tip! makes sense :)

ill try it today.

Thanks a lot.

[filipp]

Always glad to help out
Walked in your shoes myself, a few months ago (when I switched).

You can use Go->Connect to server [cmd+K] to mount servers, one of most useful features in Finder ever.

/ f

P.S. if you add your ftp-directory to Favorites and save the login/pass, you just have to choose the destination in Favorites, and it's all mounted automatically, very time-efficient

[Lz0]

Originally posted by filipp
You can combine BBEdit with Transmit FTP client. Then you can browse your files remotely, doubliclick, edit, command+S and it automatically saves the changes on you server.

Or you could just mount your FTP-site in Finder and BBEdit will think the files are local, no problems there.

/ filipp


or you could just open files through BBedits "Open from FTP server" function.