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zimv20
Jul 25, 2003, 07:06 PM
link (http://www.msnbc.com/news/943531.asp)


Itís widely agreed that virtually any sanction imposed by Brinkema will lead the government to remove the Moussaoui prosecution to a closed military tribunal.


The Justice Department now claims that the Sixth Amendment does not extend to enemy combatants held overseas ó a novel argument with little support in the case law.


Judge Brinkemaís prior orders demonstrate her belief that the federal government shouldnít have brought this case if it didnít intend to afford the defendant his basic constitutional rights.


The truth behind the utter failure of the Moussaoui trial will not be that the U.S. court system was inadequate to the task of convicting a terrorist but that the attorney general had insufficient faith in the system to let it do its work. By bringing bogus charges, making grandiose claims, and standing in the way of anything resembling a fair trial, the government has proved that you canít stage a mockery of a trial and expect real justice to result.

Backtothemac
Jul 26, 2003, 10:35 AM
What everyone needs to understand is that their will be massive amounts of classified material that will come out in that trial. That is one reason they want to try all of these folks in a military tribunal. There is past instances of this, and it is legal.

zimv20
Jul 26, 2003, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by Backtothemac
What everyone needs to understand is that their will be massive amounts of classified material that will come out in that trial. That is one reason they want to try all of these folks in a military tribunal. There is past instances of this, and it is legal.

there are also ways for the judicial courts to handle classified materials. the article mentions it (i didn't quote that part).

regardless, ashcroft chose to handle this in the courts. now that his apparent incompetence is getting him smacked, by a guy who's representing himself, he may move it to a military tribunal to guarantee a victory. the article says the evidence is shoddy and circumstantial. have we all judged Moussaoui so guilty, pre-trial, that we're willing to undermine our own constitution? i'm not.

Backtothemac
Jul 26, 2003, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by zimv20
there are also ways for the judicial courts to handle classified materials. the article mentions it (i didn't quote that part).

regardless, ashcroft chose to handle this in the courts. now that his apparent incompetence is getting him smacked, by a guy who's representing himself, he may move it to a military tribunal to guarantee a victory. the article says the evidence is shoddy and circumstantial. have we all judged Moussaoui so guilty, pre-trial, that we're willing to undermine our own constitution? i'm not.


I understand your arguement, but when the man says in a pre-trial hearing that he pledges his life to UBL, and that he will do anything for him. That pretty much seals the deal for me you know what I mean.

zimv20
Jul 26, 2003, 12:11 PM
Originally posted by Backtothemac
I understand your arguement, but when the man says in a pre-trial hearing that he pledges his life to UBL, and that he will do anything for him. That pretty much seals the deal for me you know what I mean.

then it should seal the deal for the jury, as well. my fear is that the head of the DOJ doesn't trust the american court system and feels free to circumvent it.

it undermines the constitution. that's a big deal to me.

Backtothemac
Jul 26, 2003, 12:13 PM
Originally posted by zimv20
then it should seal the deal for the jury, as well. my fear is that the head of the DOJ doesn't trust the american court system and feels free to circumvent it.

it undermines the constitution. that's a big deal to me.

For an American citizen. Yes, you are right, and I will stand in a picket line right with you. As for this guy. No, he is an illegal alien that has been part of a war. Thus, I think they should just shoot him. But, since I know that won't happen, they should try him under the UCMJ.