I can't decide Xbox 360 Elite or a PS3

[Steve Jobless]

To start with I have a ps2 and psp so its seems like theres no real reason for me to get a 360. A few of my friends have 360 so we can play each other without having to leave the house. The fact that Sony has dropped the PS3's price has made a once easy choice (360) into a hard one, I even though about getting a ps3 when Gamestop offered it's trade in of a ps2 for 100 off a ps3. while the blu-ray offer has some crappy movies im sure i can exchange them for some good ones later on, although i have no real interest in blu-ray or hd-dvd.

Onto my points for the elite:

1. the games, Test Drive, Forza 2, Gears etc. XBox has the best line up of games for any console.
2. Xbox live, theres no match.
3. 120 GB HD
4. Included HDMI cable.

PS3:

1. Bluetooth
2. Built in WIFI
3. Expandable HD
4. BLu-Ray
5. better build
6. Free online play
7. Gran Turismo.
8. only $20 more than elite.

I plan on buying from costco and these seem to be the best deals around: 360 Elite, Extra Controller and plug and charge kit for $528. While the PS3 comes with motorstorm and an extra controller for $580.

I guess I should add I don't have an HDTV at the moment (none of my friends have HDTV with their 360's), but plan on getting something about 32 inches (hopefully with 1080p) and HDMI inputs and the ablity to use it as a monitor with my macbook pro.

[ReanimationLP]

For gaming atm, I'd get the Elite, by far, a lot more games.

The only 32" LCD TV that is made with 1080P is a Sharp that costs 2,400. You may be better off buying a bigger set.

If you have a CRT/LCD monitor, you can get the VGA cable and hook it up that way as well.

[bigandy]

I'd choose the PS3 if the price difference is that slim..

We've got a 360 in the house here, and to be honest, I'm not that impressed by it. However the Wii and PS3 both hold my attention more than they should..

[DarkNetworks]

360. There ain't enough solid titles yet on the PS3. If it's a decision to be made solely on games, it has to be the 360.

[Dagless]

Premium 360. Fantastic library of games, and some killers coming out in the next couple of months. Better controller, online experience. Whole works really.

[tim916]

I just bought a PS3 and am about to sell my 360. For me the PS3 is a much better value than the 360 Elite because I can watch HD movies on Blu-Ray right out of the box. To do so on the 360 I would need to add the $199 HD-DVD drive.

The 360 certainly has the superior selection of games at the moment, but it looks like PS3 has some really good titles coming later this year. Overall, IMO, the PS3 feels like the better effort, and seems like it will continue to deliver for years to come.

[Steve Jobless]

360. There ain't enough solid titles yet on the PS3. If it's a decision to be made solely on games, it has to be the 360.

Premium 360. Fantastic library of games, and some killers coming out in the next couple of months. Better controller, online experience. Whole works really.

I won't even consider the premium unless you mistakenly called the elite that.

well im not really into FPS games, so most games I would want are interchangable with the exception of Forza, although Gran Turismo may be better.

I have a fairly sizeable ps2 game selection which should serve its purpose until better games come out and once its football season only thing ill play is madden.

[Dagless]

Why no Premium?

[chrisdazzo]

your choice really depends on what you want in a console...

simply put...

PS3
-less games, yes, but more to come
-price JUST dropped for 60GB version ($500, I believe)
-built-in blu ray player and all-around wireless connectivity
-online gaming is free

360
-halo 3
-extras cost a lot
-online play is NOT free
-huge library of games

[Steve Jobless]

Why no Premium?

no hdmi and paltry 20 GB HD (I have alot of music and videos)

[Dagless]

your choice really depends on what you want in a console...

simply put...

PS3
-less games, yes, but more to come [So the 360 has no games coming out for it?]
-price JUST dropped for 60GB version ($500, I believe) [only to shoot back up to full price next month]
-built-in blu ray player and all-around wireless connectivity
-online gaming is free

360
-halo 3
-extras cost a lot [they do? a look on Froogle tells me you're wrong. Cheapest official 360 controller in £15, wireless 360 and PS3 are both £29. Cables too. Plus you don't have to buy HD cables with a 360...]
-online play is NOT free [But the best online experience to be had in the console world, that's worth it for me and it's moderated]
-huge library of games

Bolds are mine.

no hdmi and paltry 20 GB HD (I have alot of music and videos)


edit: I forget the details but I believe the Elite is to become the Premium with the capacity and HDMI port, albeit in the standard 360 colour (but you're probably best clarifying that as I don't know the whole story). You can also just stream your data rather than store it on the HDD.
I'm just saying... you could save a bit of money and put it towards some quality games :)

[Coded-Dude]

they will both have great games:

If you want great games now, at the expense of reliability -> xbox 360
If you want great games later, with longer product life cycle and better hardware reliability -> PS3

As far as price is concerned(since they are only $20 difference), PS3 is the better overall value.
But if you are just considering both as gaming consoles(solely)....welll, opinions vary. :p

[2nyRiggz]

I would say go with the PS3...there are some good games out for it now and the games to come look lovifull(please don't steal my word)

Xbox do have more games at the moment plus getting bioshock but if you can live without bioshock(until it ports over) the there you go.



Bless

[zap2]

1. the games, Test Drive, Forza 2, Gears etc. XBox has the best line up of games for any console.


Thats your answer...thread is over!!


Well you might want to look into games down the line, but its the line up is on the Xbox 360 you like, buy it

[GFLPraxis]

Hardware-wise, PS3 gives you more (Blu-ray, WiFi), but the 360 has a better current games lineup and more of your friends have it.

Honestly, why are you looking at the Elite? I'd buy an XBox 360 Premium, better value. You will never need 120 GB of hard drive space for games, it's only there for if you're, say, filling it with videos.

[applekid]

You should choose based on the games you want here and now, and maybe consider what's coming out in the coming months. By the looks of it, you probably will end up getting both consoles eventually (since you have friends with 360's and you seem to be a fan of Sony).

If you asked me two days ago, I would've said go with the 360. Yesterday and today made me change my mind. After watching the MGS4 gameplay video, I was sold. Yesterday, the Rock Band bundles were on Amazon.com and EB Games's website. Unfortunately, it appears (at the moment), the wireless guitar for the 360 is going to cost a premium over the PS3 version because of Microsoft's proprietary wireless system.

[zero2dash]

no hdmi and paltry 20 GB HD (I have alot of music and videos)

HDMI offers no visual enhancement over component in 1080p, this was covered months ago (http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/26/xbox-360-elite-vs-classic-the-test/) by Engadget.

20gig is not paltry; stream the media from a metworked Windows PC or a Mac. If you're storing anything on the hard drive other than game saves, games or game demos then you're wasting space. :rolleyes:

IMO the Ps3 is a waste of money over the 360.

[Dagless]

HDMI offers no visual enhancement over component in 1080p, this was covered months ago (http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/26/xbox-360-elite-vs-classic-the-test/) by Engadget.

Or better still use VGA and break free from DRM ties, it even allows you to upscale DVDs!

Z2D you seem to be in the know, is there any drop in quality or anything awkward about using VGA? On paper it sounds perfect to me.

[MacRumorUser]

Or better still use VGA and break free from DRM ties, it even allows you to upscale DVDs!

Z2D you seem to be in the know, is there any drop in quality or anything awkward about using VGA? On paper it sounds perfect to me.

No drop in the quality at all, vga = excellent quality.

[Markleshark]

Yeah, must buy VGA for my 360. I'm using the component ATM on my 32" HDTV, and everyone says get VGA because, well, it's better.

[Mr. MacBook]

ur breakin my balls man get the elite

last time i checked ps3 has no games except for some 3rd party shooters, 2/3s of which suck

o and last time i checked elite has halo 3

[DarkNetworks]

20gig is not paltry; stream the media from a metworked Windows PC or a Mac. If you're storing anything on the hard drive other than game saves, games or game demos then you're wasting space. :rolleyes:


Agreed. I somehow don't see a reason in getting the Elite. I don't see a need of the 120GB HD, with Connect360, I can easily stream media across the network without any need to save it on my 360. As far as I know, I've saved a couple of demos and game saves, that's about it. As far as HDMI is concerned, my PS3 has took over the only one available from my HDTV. As far as the thing being black doesn't change the fact that the 360 console looks ugly, IMO.

[Dagless]

IMO the matte black design doesn't work at all. 360 is ugly but at least it's better in white. And please - would all console manufacturers put an option to turn off the front LEDs. The Cube had it right with that dim orange glow.

Options, plz.

[zero2dash]

Z2D you seem to be in the know, is there any drop in quality or anything awkward about using VGA? On paper it sounds perfect to me.

I'm semi-in the know. ;) Hell up until a few months ago, I assumed component was an analog signal because the cables are similar in build to standard composite cables. duh me :D

AFAIK VGA is as high on PQ as component or HDMI.
I've lost track of which of the three is HDCP compliant though. I think component is the only one that isn't...?
Doesn't affect me, I don't have the 360 HD-DVD addon nor do I plan on getting a hi def DVD format anytime soon. Just not really all that into it yet...the movies aren't there. I enjoy Blockbuster Total Access which has thousands of standard DVDs for rent, so I've got plenty of 480p DVD watching to keep me busy for a few years still. ;)


IMO the matte black design doesn't work at all. 360 is ugly but at least it's better in white. And please - would all console manufacturers put an option to turn off the front LEDs. The Cube had it right with that dim orange glow.

Options, plz.

LEDs don't really bother me, I dunno, maybe it's because our room's usually sufficiently lit. Although I'd hate trying to sleep in the living room, with a standby light on the Wii, Ps2 slim, our 5 disc Sony DVD changer, my old Pioneer audio receiver, AND our 30" Samsung SlimFit HDTV...and all of them have red standby lights, except the Wii which (in regular standby) is orange. It's like a gang of laser pointers coming through the wall. :)

[Dagless]

The worst for LED's was the GB Pocket, I swear the power light was like having a laser in your eye. Had to put a piece of tape over it!

[MacRumorUser]

AFAIK VGA is as high on PQ as component or HDMI.
I've lost track of which of the three is HDCP compliant though. I think component is the only one that isn't...?
Doesn't affect me, I don't have the 360 HD-DVD addon nor do I plan on getting a hi def DVD format anytime soon.



VGA is just as high true, sometimes better than component even.
HDMI is the 'only' one that can carry HDCP as it is digital, though it makes zero difference for the HD-DVD player as the films unlike BluRay do not have HDCP on them and neither are they region protected.

[Freyqq]

PS3 has better hardware..but xbox 360 has so much better games

i went with the 360 and I'm glad I did.

[Steve Jobless]

rumor is $50 dollar drop in august, makes it tempting but im not sure if id want a machine that runs hot, scratches disks and may crap out in a few months. The only games I really want on 360 are Forza and Call of Juarez (im not into FPS games) and test drive on 360 is the best version out.

im going to Japan in a week, can i use a system bought there here in the states?

[tim2006]

PS3 is a better deal if you are getting a hdtv and want to use it to upconvert you old dvd and play blu-ray. for just games get a 360

[zero2dash]

No.

And my 360's never scratched a single disc. Does it run hot? Sure. (Mine RoD'd even and had to be repaired, at $0 cost to me.) From what I've been told by several people, the Ps3 is not immune from running hot either. As for crapping out, give me a break. If it's going to crap out, it will do it within the warranty period, meaning you pay $0.

You seem to have plenty of stock into Sony consoles working 99.9% of the time. Good luck with that. :D People who have had to use their PSX upside down or on it's side, and people (like myself) who have had Ps2s stop reading blue discs, DVD discs, or both (me)...would beg to differ.

[gkarris]

I don't have a PS3, but at $499 and 5 free BD movies, you should pick one up.

It's more the games instead of the system. If you like Sony games, you can't go wrong with the future-proof PS3...

[phanboyjohn]

I tend to be a little bit of a Sony person, as a PS2 owner, but I'll try to offer a more or less balanced look here:

Games: If your choice is about current gaming, or about current online capabilities, then your only option is the Xbox 360. If those two really are your primary concerns (which they are for many people), go with the 360. Done.

Minor note with online play: If your friends all don't own the 360, the online play advantage might not exist for any system. This depends, of course, on your situation.

High def player: If your choice is, to a large degree, to buy an HD player in addition to a gaming console, it's the PS3, hands down. HD-DVD will be around for a while, but it's dying off, even now. IMHO, PS3, no contest.

As you're buying from Costco, repair isn't really an issue. Disc scratching is scary, but not quite epidemic level yet. Worth caution? Yes. Worth not buying a good system over? No.

Me personally, I know I'm going to have to buy a blu-ray player eventually, so I definitely will buy the PS3 at some point. I'll only buy the 360 if I decide I really need to play a game on the 360. Right now, sad to say, the only game that really excites me on 360 isn't Gears or Halo, but Dead Rising. Xbox has the advantage of some great exclusives, but they (mostly) don't interest me.

So my advice is--take a look at your situation, take a look at what exclusive games interest you, and make a decision from there. There's not going to be a "winner" per se in the console war, so the most hardcore of hardcore gamers are stuck with the worst possible option: buying all three. Just choose the one that best suits you, as we won't see a major industry leader this generation.

[kidwithdimples]

Sorry to break in

What is the difference between Xbox 360 and Xbox 360 Elite?

[Dagless]

Sorry to break in

What is the difference between Xbox 360 and Xbox 360 Elite?

Black case, HDMI port, 120gb HDD (also available to buy as an accessory).

[Coded-Dude]

Larger HDD(120GB)
HDMI 1.2(some features, not all)
thats about it.....

;)

[Steve Jobless]

No.

And my 360's never scratched a single disc. Does it run hot? Sure. (Mine RoD'd even and had to be repaired, at $0 cost to me.) From what I've been told by several people, the Ps3 is not immune from running hot either. As for crapping out, give me a break. If it's going to crap out, it will do it within the warranty period, meaning you pay $0.

You seem to have plenty of stock into Sony consoles working 99.9% of the time. Good luck with that. :D People who have had to use their PSX upside down or on it's side, and people (like myself) who have had Ps2s stop reading blue discs, DVD discs, or both (me)...would beg to differ.

my ps2 did the same thing, thankfully the guy at best buy warned me to keep mine standing up when i bought it otherwise my laser would have burned out sooner. and the only reason it burned out is because i left a game of madden on over the weekend, i only paid to ship it there and have been sailing smoothly ever since, they even gave me a new one year warranty.

[odinsride]

We have both PS3 and 360 at my household...360 is better hands down. Mainly because of the interface, everything is so nicely integrated. Xbox Live is great, the marketplace feature, etc. Not to mention it has better games.

I see the 360 as a serious console and the PS3 as a overpriced novelty act.

[GFLPraxis]

Larger HDD(120GB)
HDMI 1.2(some features, not all)
thats about it.....

;)


You forgot...it's black! Remember, Microsoft has to copy everything Apple does...and if Apple can charge extra for a black-colored MacBook, so can Microsoft!

[e²Studios]

I see the 360 as a serious console and the PS3 as a overpriced novelty act.

I'll help you a bit with a correction,

The 360 & PS3 are serious consoles and the Wii is a overpriced novelty act. ;)

Ed

[Coded-Dude]

You forgot...it's black! Remember, Microsoft has to copy everything Apple does...and if Apple can charge extra for a black-colored MacBook, so can Microsoft!

rofl...how could I forget such a needed addition to any hardware....(black) ;)
Now if Nintendo would just make a black Wii! :D

[Dagless]

We have both PS3 and 360 at my household...360 is better hands down. Mainly because of the interface, everything is so nicely integrated. Xbox Live is great, the marketplace feature, etc. Not to mention it has better games.

I see the 360 as a serious console and the PS3 as a overpriced novelty act.

Can't agree more. I didn't like the 360 at first, just as I did with the original Xbox - it grew on me. And being given one for free aint bad :D . Luckily our PS3 was a Japan import so we didn't pay the ludicrous £430, we kept it since there was just no demand on eBay. Keep it down at my cousins (since he's got a proper home cinema) and haven't played it for a good while. I'm hoping for an upgrade to the controller to make it playable, I just gave up after the games were tripe.

[Steve Jobless]

so if i buy one in japan (assuming its cheaper than america) i can use games from other countries (america)? i know ive asked this before but want to be sure before i spend so much yen.

[Coded-Dude]

yes you can buy a JPN PS3 and play US PS3 games without issue
(as stated this "region free" status does nto include DVD's, and I am unsure about PS1/PS2 games)

Though you may want to check prices......US PS3's may be as cheap if not cheaper.
(after exchange rates and import fees)


Places like Circuit City are offering PS3 with two games and two controllers for $499.99!
(but good luck finding a store with stock - as PS3 is currently outselling 360 in all regions)

Guess the price drop and upcoming games are really turning things around for Sony.

[Steve Jobless]

yes you can buy a JPN PS3 and play US PS3 games without issue
(as stated this "region free" status does nto include DVD's, and I am unsure about PS1/PS2 games)

Though you may want to check prices......US PS3's may be as cheap if not cheaper.
(after exchange rates and import fees)


Places like Circuit City are offering PS3 with two games and two controllers for $499.99!
(but good luck finding a store with stock - as PS3 is currently outselling 360 in all regions)

Guess the price drop and upcoming games are really turning things around for Sony.

really i always hhear about such deals, but i always seem to miss them, what games can i get or is there a link?

thanks for all the help guys.

[Coded-Dude]

not seeing anything at the moment, but I'll keep you posted - as soon as I hear of another.
Althoguh where you are from makes a difference. PM me or post here(if you don't mind)

[Steve Jobless]

nation's capital

[pcypert]

I'd say premium and some games. I know it seems like you need the 120 and all that, but you don't. As others have said the vga or other cables will give you what you need as far as looks go. Connect 360 for your mac and you don't need to store music and what not...plus the way the 360 is set up for that you don't really want to store too much on the harddrive anyways...such a pain.

Then you can get a bundle and some extra games for the price of the Elite. Much, much better use of money. And if I'm remembering correctly and you're planning on using a 32 inch HDTV you'll be hard pressed to tell the diff between 720 and 1080...I've really tried and its not really there...particularly when you're blazing through levels at 90 to nothing...don't really have time to stop and look :)

Paul

[Jack Flash]

PS3. I'll make this easy.

The price.
Only $20 more.
5 free BluRay Movies

The hardware.
BluRay Player, WiFi, Card Reader and support for USB peripherals.
Excellent cooling system... and well, every 360 is defective.

The games.
Lair, LittleBitPlanet, Gran Turismo 5, Metral Gear Solid 4, Killzone 2 as Exclusives.
Not to mention full PS2/PS1 backwards compatibility and free online services.

[GFLPraxis]

Wii is a overpriced novelty act. ;)


So is your mom.
I kid, I kid!

[pcypert]

Also the folks quoting exclusives for PS3 should do the 360 ones too because there are some nice ones there....but I still find it a stupid arguement because we don't know if these games will actually be good or not. Just going on what we're hoping...and no one should buy a system on hope when there is proven goods out already.

If both were just being released then you'd just have to pick based on track record of developers, etc...but since the 360 has so much time out you don't.

Every 360 is not defective...particularly ones that have come out recently since the announcement. I don't think they'll continue releasing them that way now that they've owned up to it. They've been changing the DVD drives and other parts for months now.

Paul

[odinsride]

and well, every 360 is defective.

How do you figure? I've had my 360 for quite some time and it's never given me any trouble.

[Schtumple]

Go for the 360 and get one of these if your worried about it over heating

http://www.consoleplus.co.uk/product_info.php?page=2&pName=auto-cooling-adapter-for-xbox-360&osCsid=462a003fce73b9fe4727c1ed9e37fac7

Thats my plan

[Dagless]

How do you figure? I've had my 360 for quite some time and it's never given me any trouble.

It's official - http://www.fastsilicon.com/latest-news/microsoft-admits-all-xbox360s-are-defective.html?Itemid=60, from Microsoft themselves.

Go for the 360 and get one of these if your worried about it over heating

http://www.consoleplus.co.uk/product_info.php?page=2&pName=auto-cooling-adapter-for-xbox-360&osCsid=462a003fce73b9fe4727c1ed9e37fac7

Thats my plan

They're not very good. Personally with Microsofts new policy I'd avoid them altogether. If the 360 gets the Red Ring then MS will replace it free of charge. If you end up with scorch marks or other problems attributed to one of them fans then you're up s*** creek.

[Schtumple]

They're not very good. Personally with Microsofts new policy I'd avoid them altogether. If the 360 gets the Red Ring then MS will replace it free of charge. If you end up with scorch marks or other problems attributed to one of them fans then you're up s*** creek.

I read somewhere that Microsoft has updated the heatsinks on the 360's and is using new cooler processors now. Thanks for the heads up on the fans thing, do you know whether Microsoft has admitted to the fault in the UK, or is this just America?

[Jack Flash]

I read somewhere that Microsoft has updated the heatsinks on the 360's and is using new cooler processors now. Thanks for the heads up on the fans thing, do you know whether Microsoft has admitted to the fault in the UK, or is this just America?

Microsoft is definitely not using cooler processors yet. The 65nm chips aren't coming anytime soon, though the 1.1 billion hit they're taking will hasten them to market.

[zero2dash]

and well, every 360 is defective.

Don't spread ridiculous FUD.

Not to mention full PS2/PS1 backwards compatibility

BS. Not in the 80 gig which will end up having pathetic backwards compatibility due to the fact that they removed the EE chips and therefore BC in the 80g is software based.

[caffeeneaddict]

7 reasons why the elite isn't elite:
1.Three Xbox 360s is one too many
2.It's still cheaper than the PS3(Cheap is good but to consider something elite it should be the priciest thing on the market)
3.No wireless networking built in
4.The current 10 million 360 owners are getting the shaft(its aimed at HD enthusiasts who still don't own a 360
5.It's still really loud
6. no HD-DVD bundle
7.The machine isn't intended for gamers

(i quoted this out of an old game pro i have):)

but i'd definitely say you buy a ps3 since you already have the sony line. that way the ps3's game library isn't as depressing since you can play your ps2 games as well.:D

[tim2006]

360

1) price drop coming
2) halo 3

if you do want a ps3 get it now before the 60 gigs are sold out.

[e²Studios]

360

1) price drop coming
2) halo 3

if you do want a ps3 get it now before the 60 gigs are sold out.

The price drop could just me M$'s way of clearing out Premium models so that the "elites" can take its place. Which is after all the plan. Furthermore i don't think the price drop is even confirmed by M$.

Halo 3.. woo hoo more space marines!!

PS3 is the best overall value for the money. Lair launches in 2 weeks, Heavenly Sword in Sept, along with Warhawk in Sept. FFXIII, MGS4, Gran Tourismo 5 (The best racing sim out there), Ractchet & Clank, Uncharted, the upcoming R* PS3 exclusive title, the list goes on and on...

Ed

[MacRumorUser]

The price drop could just me M$'s way of clearing out Premium models so that the "elites" can take its place. Which is after all the plan. Furthermore i don't think the price drop is even confirmed by M$.


I don't think they'll get rid of the premium.

They wil drop the core, make the premium the core model and make the elite the premium.

[Dagless]

The HDD-less 360 is on it's way out. What with drives costing pennies these days and games requiring them for caching - I think the Cores on life support now.
Heck Halo 2 had texture problems and that was with HDD caching. Internal storage all round - please.

[doctor newb]

just the fact that some of your friends have it is a reason to get the 360. The online is far superior to the ps3's. also if you get the ps3 youll regret waiting a month longer or not even getting a great game that came out for the 360.

[Jack Flash]

Don't spread ridiculous FUD.

BS. Not in the 80 gig which will end up having pathetic backwards compatibility due to the fact that they removed the EE chips and therefore BC in the 80g is software based.

How many 80GB PS3s can you buy in the US right now?

That's right, you can't. PS3 currently has full backwards compatibility.

And Microsoft has said in a press release that every 360 has a design flaw that can cause it to overheat.

[Coded-Dude]

PS3 won't ever lose any backwards compatibility either. (unles of coure removig GS causes a game or two to not work)
EE was removed before EU/UK launch, and US/JPN are using software emulation for EE(even though we have the chip)

The idea was to always use 100% SW emulation, but Graphic Synthesizer uniqueness and time constraints forced them to put in the EE+GS at launch. They are slowing phasing out PS2 hardware to make the console cheaper, but that DOES NOT mean B/C is breaking.

[Symtex]

I like to play Devils advocate. Get an 360 elite. This holiday season you can play : Bioshock, Halo 3, Eternal Sonata, Lost Odyssey, GTA 4 with exclusive content and Mass Effect. Those are all exclusive to the console. If you like multiplayer, Xbox live is the only way to go.

I have all 3 next-gen console. I do enjoy the ps3 but never actually played one online game with it. As far as the Wii goes, Thank god for RE4 because otherwise it would collect dust.

[odinsride]

I like to play Devils advocate. Get an 360 elite. This holiday season you can play : Bioshock, Halo 3, Eternal Sonata, Lost Odyssey, GTA 4 with exclusive content and Mass Effect. Those are all exclusive to the console. If you like multiplayer, Xbox live is the only way to go.

I have all 3 next-gen console. I do enjoy the ps3 but never actually played one online game with it. As far as the Wii goes, Thank god for RE4 because otherwise it would collect dust.

Don't forget Assassin's Creed :p

[Coded-Dude]

Those are all exclusive to the console.
Don't forget Assassin's Creed

:confused:

;)

[zero2dash]

How many 80GB PS3s can you buy in the US right now?

That's right, you can't. PS3 currently has full backwards compatibility.

Nice way to spin that.
Keep that in mind once the 80giggers are released to retail and be sure to edit that comment. :p

PS3 won't ever lose any backwards compatibility either. (unles of coure removig GS causes a game or two to not work)
EE was removed before EU/UK launch, and US/JPN are using software emulation for EE(even though we have the chip)

http://ps3.joystiq.com/2007/07/09/80gb-ps3-has-limited-backwards-compatibility/
we can confirm is that the new 80GB PS3 will have limited backwards compatibility. Clearly stated on the box, the system has apparently gotten rid of the chip previously used for US backwards compatibility and switched over to the European software version.

The box states: "This product has limited backwards compatibility with PlayStation and PlayStation 2 format software ... visit www.us.playstation.com for system software update." We're attempting to find out if the new 60GB versions rolling off the assembly line will also switch over to the BC software. So, if you're really into your old PS and PS2 games, might want to check and see if they are compatible with the software or get a system currently available before the switch.

[bobber205]

I know this isn't the same but...

Instead of doing built in Backwards Compatibility, why not give everybody who buys a PS3 a free PS2?

;)

[steamboat26]

I know this isn't the same but...

Instead of doing built in Backwards Compatibility, why not give everybody who buys a PS3 a free PS2?

;)

Cause the PS2 was unreliable.

To the OP, get a Premium 360, the elite isn't worth it.
Almost everyone with a PS3 touts how it has all these great games coming, but the 360 already has great games with more coming.
I've said this a lot before but,
Halo 3>>>>Killzone 2
Forza 2=GT5
And bioshock (also on PC i know) is going to be great
And any other exclusive that Sony might release will probably be copied by Microsoft ;)
And honestly, who actually uses the card readers?
the 360 can deal with USB devices just as well as the PS3.

[Coded-Dude]

Z2D, that just means its more in line with the European model.
(most games work, but there are still issues with some emulation)

HOWEVER - its already been "lost."

Are you trying to tell me it will have less B/C than the European model?
The ONLY time the PS3 may "lose" more B/C is when/if they decide to finally remove the GS chip.

[tim2006]

Cause the PS2 was unreliable.

To the OP, get a Premium 360, the elite isn't worth it.
Almost everyone with a PS3 touts how it has all these great games coming, but the 360 already has great games with more coming.
I've said this a lot before but,
Halo 3>>>>Killzone 2
Forza 2=GT5
And bioshock (also on PC i know) is going to be great
And any other exclusive that Sony might release will probably be copied by Microsoft ;)
And honestly, who actually uses the card readers?
the 360 can deal with USB devices just as well as the PS3.

How about the 360 hardware problems. I almost picked up a 360 today but did not due to the fear of hardware failure. the best buy employee told me he was on his 9th 360. I hate to buy hardware that is almost certain to fail even if I want to play halo 3

[steamboat26]

How about the 360 hardware problems. I almost picked up a 360 today but did not due to the fear of hardware failure. the best buy employee told me he was on his 9th 360. I hate to buy hardware that is almost certain to fail even if I want to play halo 3

I'm not too worried, especially since all 360s are covered for 3 years for hardware failure

[Symtex]

How about the 360 hardware problems. I almost picked up a 360 today but did not due to the fear of hardware failure. the best buy employee told me he was on his 9th 360. I hate to buy hardware that is almost certain to fail even if I want to play halo 3


You take advice from a BB employe ? LOL ! I am still using my day 1 X360 premium and it never experienced the 3 red light. Doesn't mean that I won't eventualy but so far so good. I wouldn't worry too much

[tim2006]

is the elite worth the extra price?

does it have the same hardware problems?

[steamboat26]

is the elite worth the extra price?

does it have the same hardware problems?

No it's not worth the extra, any music, photos, and videos you want can be streamed to the 360. You don't need 120 GB for game saves, Live Arcade games, and demos. And HDMI 1.2 doesn't really add much, especially when you can just use a VGA cable (which looks really good).
I would assume it has the same problems, they didn't update the processors for the elite, although they supposedly started to implement new heatsinks in all 360s

[Dagless]

No benefit of using HDMI over VGA. VGA allows upscaling DVDs.

[Coded-Dude]

No benefit of using HDMI over VGA. VGA allows upscaling DVDs.

VGA and DVI have different benefits and problems.

DVI has a very limited bandwidth and is poor when transmitting signals over long distances. This means that you can't send very high resolution settings. Being a digital signal though, you don't get any ghosting or smearing on the screen.

VGA is actually a poor description of a compact RGBHV connector (as VGA relates to the screen resolution). RGBHV has a much higher bandwidth (ie. you can send higher resolution images at a higher frequency than DVI) but as an analogue signal you can get ghosting and other problems if you use poor quality cables. Distances depend very much upon the cable you're using.

btw - HDMI is essential DVI(with sound support as well)

[Jovian9]

I'll help you a bit with a correction,

The 360 & PS3 are serious consoles and the Wii is a overpriced novelty act. ;)

Ed

No one cares about the Wii in this thread. Please don't try to get another topic off track with this remark. This thread is about the 360 and PS3.

To the OP; you stated in the original post that you don't have any "real" interest in HD-DVD or Blu-Ray and you do not have an HDTV yet.....I really think you should consider the games and the ability to stream media and not worry about the extras that do not affect you. Streaming on the 360 is awesome. I use Connect360 and can stream everything from iTunes. I've encoded nearly 100 DVD's now into a format for my :apple:TV and these movies also play back on my 360 over my 'g' network (flawlessly).....as well as streaming photos and music. I will never need to upgrade my 20GB hard drive to the 120GB one. The main reason I love my 360 is the online play. I gladly pay $50/year for Xbox Live....it is that good. A majority of my gaming on the 360 is online with friends or "online" friends or playing the great library of 'Arcade' games the 360 is accumulating.

However, if I did not have a 360, I'd be debating this question as well. But high-def movies DO matter to me and Blu-Ray seems to have a lot more movies I'm interested in, but the PS3 has a lot less games that I'm interested in. For me it would probably be a close battle to choose b/t the two and the winner would be the 360, mainly b/c I can't stand the controller design that has been around for more than 10 years (which the PS3 has).

I did have a disc scratching issue. My GoW disc was scratched badly. I shipped it off to Microsoft, they sent me a new machine and I got it around a week after shipping them mine. It was free and they threw in a free month of Xbox Live. My badly scratched up GoW disc plays flawlessly in this machine. No one I know with a 360 has had heat issues.

Games and Online Gaming = 360
High definition movie watching for your future HDTV = PS3

[zero2dash]

Are you trying to tell me it will have less B/C than the European model?

No, it's the same % of BC as the Euro one now that they EE was removed in the 80gig. Which is less than 100%, meaning it's not fully backwards compatible. Semantics aside...100% is 100%. Even if it's 10 titles and they're all hentai mahjong titles that only sold two copies that aren't compatible - it still makes it 99% which isn't 100% which isn't fully backwards compatible.

The ONLY time the PS3 may "lose" more B/C is when/if they decide to finally remove the GS chip.

For the most part, the backwards compatibility is there and it works.

The 360 BC is a joke, I'd never say otherwise. Half the titles on the list are garbage (Barbie Horse Adventures? WTF?? :mad:) but great titles like Otogi are absent. :mad: :mad:

I just bring up my points because Jack Flash posted incorrect data which is that the Ps3 is fully backwards compatible, and it isn't fully backwards compatible. Hell the Ps2 suffered the same fate. :D They're far better off than Microsoft, but...don't believe the 100% hype. :p

[Coded-Dude]

I agree with you Z2D.....its not 100%
(don't believe I said otherwise ;))

I was just trying to make clear to the people that thought the list of games that aren't already B/C would grow.
(which is in theory possible, considering they tested the S/W emulation on PAL region, not NTSC)

Of course you can bet your arse that most(if not all) major selling titles will have virtually no issues with S/W emulation.

Oh and on a side note...this is for PS2 emulation only.
PS3 is 100% B/C with ALL PS1 games. :D

cheers

[zero2dash]

I agree with you Z2D.....its not 100%
(don't believe I said otherwise ;))

Agreed...no prob. ;)

I was just trying to make clear to the people that thought the list of games that aren't already B/C would grow.
(which is in theory possible, considering they tested the S/W emulation on PAL region, not NTSC)

Of course you can bet your arse that most(if not all) major selling titles will have virtually no issues with S/W emulation.

[incoming Microsoft rib]
I just hope they're better on choosing "major selling titles" than Microsoft.

Seriously. Let's see some sales numbers on Barbie Horse Adventures, eh Microsoft? 'Cause I guarantee Otogi and Beyond Good & Evil (both absent) outsold it. :p

[this concludes the preceding Microsoft rib. thank you, have a great day]

[Jack Flash]

Just so you know, every PS3 I've run into in the US has been fully backwards compatible. My statement was true.

[Dagless]

Just so you know, every PS3 I've run into in the US has been fully backwards compatible. My statement was true.

Every Euro PS3 I've run into hasn't been fully backwards compatible.

[e²Studios]

Every Euro PS3 I've run into hasn't been fully backwards compatible.

Every 360 worldwide isn't fully backwards compatible. Nor is the Backwards compatibility anything like the PS3's. The PS3 has a HUGE leg up on the 360 as far as Backwards compat goes.

Ed

[Dagless]

Every 360 worldwide isn't fully backwards compatible. Nor is the Backwards compatibility anything like the PS3's. The PS3 has a HUGE leg up on the 360 as far as Backwards compat goes.

Ed

And? I'm sorry did I or anyone else in this thread say otherwise?

[MacRumorUser]

I don't get it. The 'big' deal over BC ?


Your buying a console ps3/360 getting on for nearly 1 and 2 years of age respectivly and your arguing about backwards compatability... :rolleyes:

In the next few months there are going to be so many great games on both, that if BC is still such a big deal rather than just getting on with some serious NG gaming, then you need to ask yourself why did I spend $500 or more.....

[Dagless]

Because the Gamecube had Smash Bros Melee and my TV only has so many inputs?

I still play Halo 1, I know I know it's not cool to play old games ;) but a huge chunk of last gen is still better than this gen.

[ReanimationLP]

Agreed...no prob. ;)



[incoming Microsoft rib]
I just hope they're better on choosing "major selling titles" than Microsoft.

Seriously. Let's see some sales numbers on Barbie Horse Adventures, eh Microsoft? 'Cause I guarantee Otogi and Beyond Good & Evil (both absent) outsold it. :p

[this concludes the preceding Microsoft rib. thank you, have a great day]

But..but...but

I love Barbie Horse Adventures! :D

I was being sarcastic, of course. ;)

[MacRumorUser]

Because the Gamecube had Smash Bros Melee and my TV only has so many inputs?

I still play Halo 1, I know I know it's not cool to play old games ;) but a huge chunk of last gen is still better than this gen.

Well yeah ok with the wii and cube I understand BC but not for ps3 or 360.

Hell if it wasnt for cube games playing on the wii - i wouldn't be playing anything on it.

By the way I got the wii-key done, and I thought I'd be able to play my cube NTSC imports without running Freeloader, but no luck at all. Everytime I try to start one all I get is a black screen. Hope I didn't waste €80

[tim2006]

can't understand the BC discussion. I could not play ps2 games 5 yrs ago compared to xbox 1. who would want to play old/clipping games on a new hdtv? How about the post 360 vs ps3.

360
1) halo 3
2) madden at 60 fps most 3rd party better on 360
3) more games

PS3
1) bluray
2) now cheaper when you add wireless to elite same price when you add wireless to pro.

[Dagless]

who would want to play old/clipping games on a new hdtv?


Um, me? Like I said if the old game is better than the new game - why should old graphics matter? :confused:

[Jovian9]

Um, me? Like I said if the old game is better than the new game - why should old graphics matter? :confused:

Agreed!!!!!

Regardless of whether a game is 'new' and in HD, I want to play games I enjoy. There are hundreds of 'old' games that I enjoy and very few current generation. Thank goodness for backwards compatibility/emulation, the Xbox Live Arcade, and the Wii Virtual Console.

[steamboat26]

the PS3 doesn't have versions of some of the great PS2 like God of War 1 and 2, ICO, Shadow of the Colossus, Gran Turismo (3 and 4), and countless others

[Jovian9]

the PS3 doesn't have versions of some of the great PS2 like God of War 1 and 2, ICO, Shadow of the Colossus, Gran Turismo (3 and 4), and countless others

Seriously? No Shadow of the Colossus, God of War or Gran Turismos? Those are some of the greatest PS2 games. #'s don't give anyone a "huge leg up" in this department....quality does.

[e²Studios]

There is a Gran Tourismo demo since December, with a new one on the way.

G0W III is in the pipeline..

Jesus people do your homework before you post things that you obviously have no clue about.

Ed

[Jack Flash]

There is a Gran Tourismo demo since December, with a new one on the way.

G0W III is in the pipeline..

Jesus people do your homework before you post things that you obviously have no clue about.

Ed
That doesn't change the fact that you can't play them now... hence backwards compatibility.

[e²Studios]

That doesn't change the fact that you can't play them now... hence backwards compatibility.

I can play every game mentioned on my PS3, care to comment more on things you know nothing about? ;) This is how false rumors get started, by ignorant people that have no first hand knowledge and are unwilling to educated themselves, yet they think that their ASSumptions are correct.

Ed

[zero2dash]

Every 360 worldwide isn't fully backwards compatible. Nor is the Backwards compatibility anything like the PS3's. The PS3 has a HUGE leg up on the 360 as far as Backwards compat goes.

Ed

Nobody's said otherwise.

The only BC talk was that the Ps3 BC was not 100%, and while proven wrong time and time again, Mr. Jack Flash here doesn't want to admit it to himself.

No one said squat about the 360 being more compatible than the Ps3, in fact I've ragged on the 360 for having lackluster BC in games that it should, as opposed to games that it does.

[Jovian9]

I can play every game mentioned on my PS3, care to comment more on things you know nothing about? ;) This is how false rumors get started, by ignorant people that have no first hand knowledge and are unwilling to educated themselves, yet they think that their ASSumptions are correct.

Ed

If you are going to insult others please take a brief moment and use the word educate properly :) Spelling and grammar are NOT the most important thing on an internet forum, but lets be honest here, referring to people as ignorant while misspelling educate (educated) is a mistake that pretty much takes any chance of you (and your insult) being taken seriously and throws it out the door. Kind of ironic.

Nobody's said otherwise.

The only BC talk was that the Ps3 BC was not 100%, and while proven wrong time and time again, Mr. Jack Flash here doesn't want to admit it to himself.

No one said squat about the 360 being more compatible than the Ps3, in fact I've ragged on the 360 for having lackluster BC in games that it should, as opposed to games that it does.

Agreed. Neither are where they need to be (360 or PS3). There are good games from previous gens that need to make it to the 360 and PS3. Neither system is perfect.

Why do some people feel the need to "go to bat" for a system over and over around here? I love my Wii and my 360 but they are both flawed. If someone says something negative about the Wii or 360 I don't defend it and then start attacking the PS3 b/c of it. I listen to what others opinions are and try to understand their point of view. Sometimes I agree and sometimes I do not.

Any logical person should be able to accept that none of these systems cure cancer, fight world hunger, create peace, or even make you dinner. Not a single one of them are perfect and without flaw. Take a deep breath, accept the flaws and the people pointing them out, and enjoy your system :)

I am a long time member of MacRumors and am on here almost daily. I've been playing video games since the early 80's and have owned ALOT of games and systems. I can appreciate them all for what they are/were good at. Part of the reason I enjoy coming to MacRumors is that I can be on one forum and read about Apple-related stuff and Video-game-related stuff. But the 'Console Games' Forum (and the Apple Games section before a sub-forum was created) is ridiculous. The same arguments over-and-over. It would seem that this is a waste of a lot of peoples time and no one can be gaining any intelligence from the repetition of this, can they? It is honestly the only part of MacRumors that ever bothers me.

Enjoy your PS3....enjoy your Wii....enjoy your 360.....after all, that's the point of each system regardless of what they can/cannot do.

/end rant

Lets get this thread back on track :)

To the OP, Steve Jobless; did you ever decide on a system?

[zero2dash]

Why do some people feel the need to "go to bat" for a system over and over around here? I love my Wii and my 360 but they are both flawed. If someone says something negative about the Wii or 360 I don't defend it and then start attacking the PS3 b/c of it. I listen to what others opinions are and try to understand their point of view. Sometimes I agree and sometimes I do not.

Any logical person should be able to accept that none of these systems cure cancer, fight world hunger, create peace, or even make you dinner. Not a single one of them are perfect and without flaw. Take a deep breath, accept the flaws and the people pointing them out, and enjoy your system :)

I am a long time member of MacRumors and am on here almost daily. I've been playing video games since the early 80's and have owned ALOT of games and systems. I can appreciate them all for what they are/were good at. Part of the reason I enjoy coming to MacRumors is that I can be on one forum and read about Apple-related stuff and Video-game-related stuff. But the 'Console Games' Forum (and the Apple Games section before a sub-forum was created) is ridiculous. The same arguments over-and-over. It would seem that this is a waste of a lot of peoples time and no one can be gaining any intelligence from the repetition of this, can they? It is honestly the only part of MacRumors that ever bothers me.

Enjoy your PS3....enjoy your Wii....enjoy your 360.....after all, that's the point of each system regardless of what they can/cannot do.

If there wasn't a limit on signatures...that's my new sig right there. :p

Excellent points Jovian. :D
Very well said...

[2nyRiggz]

Let me tell you guys something....you can kick your knowledge as much as you want but it won't stop...I know I've tried myself...just sit back and enjoy the ride.


Didn't the OP already made his decision...why is this thread still living? I never bothered checking in this thread since I thought he did his due.



Bless

[tkepongo]

get the 360 elite (or premium if you want 1080p through vga and save $80). the ps3 online may be free, but it sucks! i have both consoles at home, and the speed to download and update on ps3 is 10 times slower than the 360. i have ghost recon vegas on both consoles (got the 360 version for free) the lag is impossible, and there is by far less players compared to the 360. i guess if you compared the price of the 360 to the ps3, the ps3 is cheaper (360, hd-dvd- wifi =$760) but the games on ps3 sucks so far (besides resistance and ninja gaiden) and the online is terrible.

[e²Studios]

get the 360 elite (or premium if you want 1080p through vga and save $80). the ps3 online may be free, but it sucks! i have both consoles at home, and the speed to download and update on ps3 is 10 times slower than the 360. i have ghost recon vegas on both consoles (got the 360 version for free) the lag is impossible, and there is by far less players compared to the 360. i guess if you compared the price of the 360 to the ps3, the ps3 is cheaper (360, hd-dvd- wifi =$760) but the games on ps3 sucks so far (besides resistance and ninja gaiden) and the online is terrible.

Did Hao or gkarris just register a new account? :p ;)

You have Ghost Recon for PS3? Do share, the demo (GRAW) just came out Thursday on PSN. Judging by your comments i would say that you don't own a PS3 at all and that you are very adept at trolling.

Ed

[progx]

I'd wait. I was pondering an Xbox 360, then I found all their games are DVDs! It explains a lot, especially why games are so short, they're outputting great graphics, but no longevity.

The PS3 on the other hand, the games are all Blu-ray. More storage space on each disc, so great graphics and long games! And better hardware, the PS3 automatically shuts down if it's overheating.

But, in all honesty, I got a Wii, and I'm damn happy I did. It's amazing! My next system will be a PS3. I don't see the 360 being around for much longer, especially when the consoles are getting pushed to their limits. Since the 360 is pretty damn close to what it can take. I was just shocked to know they weren't HD-DVD discs for the games, I can't believe it, how can a DVD stand up to a Blu-ray disc?

Oh, for PS3, Metal Gear Solid 4, Heavenly Sword and God of War. Best franchises in the gaming world next to Nintendo's Mario, Zelda and Metroid. All MS has got is Halo.

Get the PS3. I'd get the 60 GB now since the 80 GB won't have the Emotion engine. If you want more storage space, go and buy a laptop hard drive at Newegg and install it in your PS3. The system will even format it for you.

[zero2dash]

FUD monster alert. :rolleyes:

I'd wait. I was pondering an Xbox 360, then I found all their games are DVDs! It explains a lot, especially why games are so short, they're outputting great graphics, but no longevity.

And Wii's DVD titles are any different? :rolleyes:
10-20 hours for a DVD format game is far from 'short'.
But I guess you're waiting for the next Final Fantasy to have 120 hours on BluRay. :rolleyes:

The PS3 on the other hand, the games are all Blu-ray. More storage space on each disc, so great graphics and long games! And better hardware, the PS3 automatically shuts down if it's overheating.

The only thing BluRay has been admitted to work with in terms of the use of extra space is all the ridiculous FUD that Factor 5 has spread about "single levels in Lair are 13gb", ridiculous. Optimize the code and remove the bunk data, I guarantee it's not 13gb.

I don't see the 360 being around for much longer, especially when the consoles are getting pushed to their limits. Since the 360 is pretty damn close to what it can take. I was just shocked to know they weren't HD-DVD discs for the games, I can't believe it, how can a DVD stand up to a Blu-ray disc?

Oh so knowing one, please do show links that demonstrate that the 360 has peaked its graphical and horsepower limits.

Or, don't, because that's FUD.

If you want to favor one system over another, do so.
Don't be a blatantly ignorant fanboy and spread FUD; go elsewhere for that. IGN, Gamefaqs, 1up...those all have plenty of active threads and posting members to argue FUD with. Not here.

Oh, for PS3, Metal Gear Solid 4, Heavenly Sword and God of War. Best franchises in the gaming world next to Nintendo's Mario, Zelda and Metroid. All MS has got is Halo.

See, Franchise by definition, is an established series of games in one particular storyline.
Please, do show when there have been other Heavenly Sword titles. You know, since it's an established franchise. :rolleyes:

I love God of War more than most people and can't wait to get a PSP for Chains of Olympus (and a Ps3 for GoW3) but comparing a 2-title franchise to a storied longtime franchise (with more than 2 current titles) like Zelda, Mario or Metroid is ridiculous.

Get the PS3. I'd get the 60 GB now since the 80 GB won't have the Emotion engine.

Well, thank you! You do actually post facts sometimes! :rolleyes: :cool:

[A Pittarelli]

i was going through the same dilemma and went with the ps3 and couldnt be happier about the desicion

[Jovian9]

If there wasn't a limit on signatures...that's my new sig right there. :p

Excellent points Jovian. :D
Very well said...

Thanks! I try to not get involved in these "dog-chasing-it's-own-tail-discussions" but as a MacRumors fan and video game fan I finally had to let a little bit of rant out of me :)

[Dagless]

Wow, Progx. It's obvious you like the PS3 and all, but come on! That was just a very silly post :D

As Z2D has said - 360 games aren't short. Some are (minigames), some aren't (RPG's, action games).

[Chone]

Wow, Progx. It's obvious you like the PS3 and all, but come on! That was just a very silly post :D

As Z2D has said - 360 games aren't short. Some are (minigames), some aren't (RPG's, action games).

In any case, media size doesn't have any relation to game length.

The current average game length of games nowadays (which I think is short) is a deliberate decision by the developers to offer very little hours but make them extremely explosive and fun, full of climax and without any stales. This is a reason why a game like God of War is a mere 7 hours... but those 7 hours are pretty darn good. It has little to do with the size of the optical media.

F.E.A.R. is such a game, I really liked fear but if it had been a few hours longer I would have shattered my disc in two, battles become too repetitious near the end (I was literally cursing through the last battles, I was sick of these damn replicas showing over and over again... come on man I want to see what happens with the protagonist, with Alma, Fettel, etc, not keep blowing these damn soldiers for the 1923094273498th time) and the only reason I kept playing was because the hallucination cutscenes are awesome and I was really interested to see where the story ended.

So this is a discussion best left for a different thread altogether but if you think PS3 games will be longer because they are on blu-ray then you are a fool my friend.

[e²Studios]

In any case, media size doesn't have any relation to game length.

Thats what she said.. ;)

[zero2dash]

Thats what she said.. ;)

then she said...'is that a BD in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?' :D
*zing!*

[Chone]

LOL yeah I know my comments were directed at that progx guy or whatever, I don't even know why I quoted Jimmi, I guess I was just supplementing his post, not refuting it.

Cheers :)

[noodle654]

I would go 360 for the following reasons:

-3 Year Warranty from the "3 Red Lights" which is common because the MoBo seems to warp from heat and CPU's get damaged.
-Graphics are much better than PS3 ( I have played COD3 on PS3 and Xbox 360 and Xbox is much brighter and "cleaner")
-Better Games
-Xbox Live of course
-Hard Drive size
-Style

Blue Ray isnt that great and there isnt worth buyinh a PS3 when the good games are on Xbox.

When it comes to speed and Graphics, lets look at it:

Xbox 360:

PowerPC Triple Core designed by IBM. Each core runs at 3.2GHz. 21.6GB/s Front side bus. 1MB Level 2 Cache on die running at half CPU clock speed.

ATI Graphics: Contains 2 separate silicon dies each with a clock speed of 500MHz and has a 10MB eDRAM.

512MB GDDR3 RAM clocked at 700MHz.

PS3:

PowerPC based PPE and six accessible 3.2GHz. A seventh runs in a special mode dedicated to the OS.

GPU: NVIDIA G70 with a 256MB GDDR3 VRAM clocked at 550MHz. 1.3GHz and the XDR main memory via the CPU.

Overall, the systems are about the same but PS3 has extra features such as Blue-Ray and such.

[Jack Flash]

Overall, the systems are about the same but PS3 has extra features such as Blue-Ray and such.

So, even though they have pretty much the same games, the PS3 is more reliable, the PS3 has more features, and the PS3 has free online gaming, oh and lest me forget the PS3 has games that aren't just FPSs, you'd pick the Xbox 360?

[synth3tik]

They are both junk with high failure rates. Save you money for something useful

[Dagless]

So, even though they have pretty much the same games, the PS3 is more reliable, the PS3 has more features, and the PS3 has free online gaming, oh and lest me forget the PS3 has games that aren't just FPSs, you'd pick the Xbox 360?

You can't say pretty much the same games as the 360 has countless, yes many are FPS, but guess what! The whole library isn't! I know surprising isn't it!
You missed out-
PS3 has cack online and controller (when rumours of a new controller as rampant as 360 MGS4 and HD Wii, you know a lot of people want it) compared to 360.
cheapest PS3 costs £160 than the most expensive 360. That's a lot of games extra.

Why did you miss them out? And the PS3 can have all the features in the world, if it's missing the games then it can't compete as a gaming platform against the 360.

[noodle654]

So, even though they have pretty much the same games, the PS3 is more reliable, the PS3 has more features, and the PS3 has free online gaming, oh and lest me forget the PS3 has games that aren't just FPSs, you'd pick the Xbox 360?

When I decided what to buy, I chose the Xbox 360 for the following: Nobody has a PS3 compared to the Xbox 360. Yes the Xbox 360 has a high failure rate, but it does have a 3 year warranty compared to a PS3 1 year. I have had my first Xbox 360 (first release) replaced and it was pretty easy. I called Microsoft, they sent me a new one, and then I sent my other one back. I would much rather have a Xbox 360. This is my opinion.

[dubbz]

I would go 360 for the following reasons:

-3 Year Warranty from the "3 Red Lights" which is common because the MoBo seems to warp from heat and CPU's get damaged.

I don't see how that is a good reason to get a 360. I'd rather not have it break in the first place.

[noodle654]

I don't see how that is a good reason to get a 360. I'd rather not have it break in the first place.

The PS3 has similar problems. Since BOTH systems are so power demanding, the heat kicks in and after awhile it starts to get worse. But, this only happens when playing for long periods of time. If I play about 4 hours a day, no problems at all. But if I were to play 15 hours non stop, you will notice the heat and loud fans. Both systems have this problem and there is nothing you can do about it. This is the same with the Macbook Pro overheating. I would much rather have a 360. But, these problems do not always occur. I have had my Xbox 360 for now 8 months with no problems, and the heat issue I think has been getting better and better and I am happy that Microsoft is noticing the problems and is fixing them.

[noodle654]

You can't say pretty much the same games as the 360 has countless, yes many are FPS, but guess what! The whole library isn't! I know surprising isn't it!
You missed out-
PS3 has cack online and controller (when rumours of a new controller as rampant as 360 MGS4 and HD Wii, you know a lot of people want it) compared to 360.
cheapest PS3 costs £160 than the most expensive 360. That's a lot of games extra.

Why did you miss them out? And the PS3 can have all the features in the world, if it's missing the games then it can't compete as a gaming platform against the 360.

I totally agree with you.

[e²Studios]

The PS3 has similar problems.

Prove it. Now you are just talking out your arse. The PS3 has a solid build, there were very few to no problems with any of the launch PS3s, and certainly a high percentage of current PS3s have no issues. The few that did have issues were blu-ray diode issues and not heat related.

If you are going to troll at least do some research before running off at the mouth.

Ed

(If Jovian the local grammar police dissaproves of my grammar or spelling he can kiss my ***) ;)

[Dagless]

Well one of our imports wouldn't turn on. That was a power issue but since we brought it over ourselves - nothing we could do about it! Salvage is good, though.

They're not invincible by any means, neither are the Wii or DS (IMO Nintendo's weakest designs). It's just that the 360 failure rate is something horrific like 33%. 1/3 of people have had a problem with a 360. sheesh!

Kiss my... wild donkey? :D

[e²Studios]

Well one of our imports wouldn't turn on. That was a power issue but since we brought it over ourselves - nothing we could do about it! Salvage is good, though.

They're not invincible by any means, neither are the Wii or DS (IMO Nintendo's weakest designs). It's just that the 360 failure rate is something horrific like 33%. 1/3 of people have had a problem with a 360. sheesh!

Kiss my... wild donkey? :D

That could have happened during international shipping too ;) I'm not claiming that the PS3 is impervious to any damage, but the failure rate is substantially lower than the 360's.

My DS hinge broke, Nintendo support is awesome though and they fixed it pretty damn fast :)

Ed

[zero2dash]

So, even though they have pretty much the same games

/snip

Do you realize that in the same run-on sentence you then contradicted yourself with:

oh and lest me forget the PS3 has games that aren't just FPSs

:rolleyes:
pwned.
So which is it...the Ps3 has nothing but FPS's, or...they both have the same games?
Please, do elaborate. :rolleyes:

the PS3 has more features

If you count flash stick slots as "extra features" on a video game console, then you have more problems than we all thought you did.
As for BluRay...yes, we all know that BluRay is absolutely 100% required these days to play video games. I mean, after all...all future shipping PCs and Macs will ship with BluRay drives instead of DVD drives because Crysis is BluRay-only. /sarcasm

and the PS3 has free unmoderated online gaming

...fixed that one for you. :p
I sure hope you don't play with any cheaters on the PSN because...d'oh! there's no one to report them to! OH NOES!!!~!

Having a field day with the Sony fanboys today I am. :D :rolleyes: :cool:

[noodle654]

Here is a video on comparison of the PS3 vs. Xbox 360 --->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS89c-8fYtc'

As for overheating. It does exist, type in on Google: PS3 Overheating. Even on Youtube. All systems have overheating issues, there is nothing you can do about it (unless you block air flow and just dont use your head on where you put it). I have nothing else to say because all systems will generate heat during use.

[Jovian9]

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(If Jovian the local grammar police dissaproves of my grammar or spelling he can kiss my ***) ;)

Grammar is fine............................................this time :D Spelling may be a bit off though.....not sure what *** spells :)

[progx]

Alright. If game length has nothing to with media size, then I should be able to fit 120 minutes of music onto CD, right? It doesn't matter on song length, they should fit. Oh wait, different song lengths, and only 80 minutes maximum. Kinda sounds like the compact disc limit, just like an 8.5 GB dual layer DVD versus a 25 GB single layer Blu ray. There's a fact for you.

Oh, I got the 360 for a three year warranty. Wow. What a deal! So, when my system burns up, or the dreaded red lights of doom, Microsoft will happily replace my system with a smile. Usually around three months or so, maybe six, you'll see your new, refurbished, Xbox 360. Within in that time frame, you would have already cussed out the Wal-Mart clerk, or Gamestop and FYE, too. Claiming that the retailers are responsible. I work in retail, we ain't giving you anything if you bought your 360 two months ago. Past the 30 day policy and you have to call Microsoft if something goes wrong first. And you probably didn't buy a warranty with either anyway, since you were getting a three-year with <b>Microsoft</b>, not the retailer.

And it won't even be the one you bought and you'll have a limited 90-day warranty and re-register your machine.

Thanks for the video. I'd be able to view it, if it wasn't malformed! Didn't I mention the PS3 goes to sleep if it's overheated. The unit monitors its temperature. Another expensive component, probably, but effective.

These are all graphics systems. The Sixaxis is worthless, and the Xbox 360 is like every other console, you sit on your ass, get fat and play games. Nintendo's new system is the only, new, innovation in the video game market today. Who cares about graphics! That's what movies are for! Wow, this system can output this many frames per second, wait a minute, what are my give a damns a minute, definitely zero for those two systems.

I'm a Nintendo fan first, then Sony second. The 360 is better than the first Xbox, but not anything special. It's only special because "It's American made!" and everything is socialist. Just like a national health care system.

Why don't you ask the Japanese what they're playing? Or how bout the Europeans? It ain't either of those two systems. Nintendo owns this generation already, and over 2 million, American, consumers can't be wrong.

And the 360, sold about 700,000 units last quarter. Ouch. The PS3, not worth mentioning. If you want a great system, it's the Wii. Because, Sony and Microsoft take note, it's FUN!

[Chone]

Alright. If game length has nothing to with media size, then I should be able to fit 120 minutes of music onto CD, right? It doesn't matter on song length, they should fit. Oh wait, different song lengths, and only 80 minutes maximum. Kinda sounds like the compact disc limit, just like an 8.5 GB dual layer DVD versus a 25 GB single layer Blu ray. There's a fact for you.

And what exactly does that fact prove to me? It is easy throwing around facts (and even some people are inept at that) but actually making those facts have some coherence with the subject at hand and actually being relevant... well thats harder and some people, like you for instance, will utterly fail at it.

You can't compare audio with a game. A song or audio is only comprised of one type of file and length has a direct proportional relation with the size of which file. So only 80 minutes will fit of uncompressed audio. But many more minutes can fit of say FLAC lossless and the quality is the same... So EVEN your Audio CD analogy fails. It relates on no level to a video game but it still fails, but whatever.

Now a game isn't compromised of only one type of file and length has NO relation whatsoever with the size of these files. A Final Fantasy game back on the SNES was pretty much as long (if not longer) than Final Fantasy games of today. Game length does not scale with media size. Why do you think multiplatform games are the same length on all consoles? Even though the GCUBE mini-dvds were considerably smaller.

If anything, there are other advantages a bigger media size can bring to you but trust me, game length is not one of them.

[zero2dash]

Alright. If game length has nothing to with media size, then I should be able to fit 120 minutes of music onto CD, right? It doesn't matter on song length, they should fit. Oh wait, different song lengths, and only 80 minutes maximum. Kinda sounds like the compact disc limit, just like an 8.5 GB dual layer DVD versus a 25 GB single layer Blu ray. There's a fact for you.

..except that round pegs don't fit into square holes. One has nothing to do with the other.
Media capacity in this regard has no relation to the content that is on it. Do you think 1 level of any game takes up a full cd or 1gig or more? Are you really that foolish? Your argument holds no water and makes absolutely no sense, so you're grasping at straws trying to prove where it's correct and it's not. Just because BluRay is xtimes the capacity of a DVD-9 doesn't mean jack $#!t in relation to how long a game is, how many characters the game has, how many levels are in the game, or whether Cloud uses maximum hold gel or long lasting gel to spike his hair up.

Oh, I got the 360 for a three year warranty. Wow. What a deal! So, when my system burns up, or the dreaded red lights of doom, Microsoft will happily replace my system with a smile. Usually around three months or so, maybe six, you'll see your new, refurbished, Xbox 360.

I think there may be a problem with your shipment if it took more than a week. May want to check that tracking number. :p
And they don't ship refurbished systems anymore; in fact, they haven't for quite awhile now. But I'm sure you were just about to mention that, after all you are a tactician of facts now, aren't you? :rolleyes:

I work in retail, we ain't giving you anything if you bought your 360 two months ago. Past the 30 day policy and you have to call Microsoft if something goes wrong first. And you probably didn't buy a warranty with either anyway, since you were getting a three-year with <b>Microsoft</b>, not the retailer.

And your point is...? what exactly?
Customers don't go into retail chains expecting to return an item after 30 days, period. Unless it's a Walmart store, the fifth floor of hell. :D

The 360 is better than the first Xbox, but not anything special. It's only special because "It's American made!" and everything is socialist. Just like a national health care system.

(Again) what does one have to do with the other?
Xboxes were made in Mexico, BTW. Far from "American made". Although I don't think people really give a crap about "American made" anymore 'least not with electronics which (unless you count the fabulous products made by RCA and Magnavox) are always made overseas.

Why don't you ask the Japanese what they're playing? Or how bout the Europeans? It ain't either of those two systems. Nintendo owns this generation already, and over 2 million, American, consumers can't be wrong.

People are fickle. Always have been, always will be. Have plane, will travel.
If you think the Wii has lasting appeal, long enough to survive a 4+ year console war with Microsoft and Sony, well...you go on ahead and keep thinking that. Me (and many others, I'm sure Ed will agree) - I don't think Nintendo's got much in the way of staying power with the Wii. Once all the fad "I've gotta get one to be hip! cool! young again! like the iPod!" people buy their Wii systems and Nintendo quits ceremoniously crippling their shipments in order to keep demand up - then we'll see how much people actually like the system. Other than RE4 - my Wii hadn't been powered on in months. And I'm not the only one on here in that boat. Our Wii's seen more 'standby' time than 'powered on' time since we bought it.

And the 360, sold about 700,000 units last quarter. Ouch. The PS3, not worth mentioning. If you want a great system, it's the Wii. Because, Sony and Microsoft take note, it's FUN!

Until you get bored playing with minigames and ported Gamecube titles, sure, it's fun.

Nintendo has some good looking stuff in the pipeline. But then again - isn't that the way it is with all their systems? Let's see some dedicated 3rd party support past the 2nd year before we start popping the champagne at Nintendo HQ. :rolleyes:

[Dagless]

Progx has clearly never heard of compression or sloppy coding. The number of games I've cut down to half size just by optimising code and using quality compression, can't beat it.

To contend your game length=media size argument-

How can a GB game like Pokemon take 45 hours to complete (not taking into account getting 100% Pokedex) be on average 5 times longer than Gears of War on it's DVD?
It took me 35 hours to get to the end of Twilight Princess and that's 1.5gb

Honestly, how the hell are you working this out? When you can fit a 35 hour game (albeit without voices) onto 1.5gb, or a 45 hour RPG onto a 512kb cartridge your argument just doesn't have any ground whatsoever so please stop banging on that drum.

[Dagless]

Having a field day with the Sony fanboys today I am. :D :rolleyes: :cool:

Evidentally!

That could have happened during international shipping too ;) I'm not claiming that the PS3 is impervious to any damage, but the failure rate is substantially lower than the 360's.

My DS hinge broke, Nintendo support is awesome though and they fixed it pretty damn fast :)

Ed

I forget the number of times my DS Lite has been replaced. First it was bad buttons, then 2 faulty hinges. I've had this one a long time now so they finally fixed it. The DS Lite has been the most faulty Nintendo system I've owned. Really is a shadow of the classic systems.
Yea I tried looking up our PS3 problem and there was virtually nothing about it online. It must be a mega rare problem. Built extremely well.

[progx]

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Until you get bored playing with minigames and ported Gamecube titles, sure, it's fun.

Nintendo has some good looking stuff in the pipeline. But then again - isn't that the way it is with all their systems? Let's see some dedicated 3rd party support past the 2nd year before we start popping the champagne at Nintendo HQ. :rolleyes:

Spoken like a true hardcore gamer. If you're looking for incredible graphic games, by all means, just sit on your couch and play with the 360 and PS3. The Wii is all about game play and functionality. I prefer to do something active in that time, while playing. Isn't that what most people want to do? I've gotten tried of the PS2 and Xbox, especially the Gamecube, controllers. Yes, I'm used to those, but if I haven't played a game in a while, I lose my coordination. The Wiimote on the other hand, real simple to use.

Didn't someone say the "iPod fad" would die down? Hm. Still waiting on that one. Until then, I'll get my 200 GB full screen iPod Video.

The Wii's here to stay. With all the minigames you can handle! Since many non-gamers just want to play games that are 15 minutes or less.

[Symtex]

Spoken like a true hardcore gamer. If you're looking for incredible graphic games, by all means, just sit on your couch and play with the 360 and PS3. The Wii is all about game play and functionality. I prefer to do something active in that time, while playing. Isn't that what most people want to do? I've gotten tried of the PS2 and Xbox, especially the Gamecube, controllers. Yes, I'm used to those, but if I haven't played a game in a while, I lose my coordination. The Wiimote on the other hand, real simple to use.

Didn't someone say the "iPod fad" would die down? Hm. Still waiting on that one. Until then, I'll get my 200 GB full screen iPod Video.

The Wii's here to stay. With all the minigames you can handle! Since many non-gamers just want to play games that are 15 minutes or less.

I have to give props to Nintendo. They really showed me what I didn't want from a game console. I don't want mini-games, I want full-fledge complete game experience and beside RE4 and Zelda, there is nothing on the Wii that fulfill that need. I am happy for all the none-gamer but I am not part of that category. Nintendo made sure I understood that.

[Chone]

Spoken like a true hardcore gamer. If you're looking for incredible graphic games, by all means, just sit on your couch and play with the 360 and PS3. The Wii is all about game play and functionality. I prefer to do something active in that time, while playing. Isn't that what most people want to do? I've gotten tried of the PS2 and Xbox, especially the Gamecube, controllers. Yes, I'm used to those, but if I haven't played a game in a while, I lose my coordination. The Wiimote on the other hand, real simple to use.

Didn't someone say the "iPod fad" would die down? Hm. Still waiting on that one. Until then, I'll get my 200 GB full screen iPod Video.

The Wii's here to stay. With all the minigames you can handle! Since many non-gamers just want to play games that are 15 minutes or less.

The Wii may be big with non-gamers but most enthusiast gamers either find it lackluster or find it really fun... but not groundbreaking like me. I've had tons of fun with the Wii, playing the usual Nintendo franchises but... all I can wait for is the new PC, Xbox360 and PS3 releases. The Wii is like a toy, a fun toy but not a revolution in games by far, if it wasn't for Nintendo's awesome franchises and games, the Wii would be sucking big time right now.

And before you say the non-gamer population is bigger than the enthusiast gamer one... well its true but enthusiasts spend SO much more money and are thus a better market to target to. I too think the Wii fad will die down eventually, it will do great as a console and have some good games (primarily made by Nintendo :rolleyes:) but it won't win, it might be second if Sony keeps dropping the ball with the PS3 but the Xbox360 is most likely going to be the winner this generation.

[zero2dash]

The Wii's here to stay.

If history [of their last two home consoles] is any indication, and 3rd party developers quit making games on the system in the 3rd year, then the Wii is dead in the water.

Time will tell.

I want good games. I could care less if playing those games involves arm flailing or thumb twitching. So far...the Wii has one must-own title...Zelda. Far from impressive in the grand scheme of things despite its sales lead.

As for casual v hardcore, like Chone said...hardcore gamers spend the most money. It's no different than someone who buys a Dell vs someone who spends the extra money to build a quad core PC with tons of power and watercooling. Who's going to spend more money? The hardcore user.

Being a casual gamer system may get the Wii into more people's homes...for now.

[Dagless]

The Wii is like a toy, a fun toy but not a revolution in games by far, if it wasn't for Nintendo's awesome franchises and games, the Wii would be sucking big time right now.

WTF. A games console a toy? Whodathunkthat?
If it wasn't for Sony's 1st party (or are they 2nd party?) games the PS3 would be full of generic games. What truly groundbreaking games came out on the 360 in it's first year? Oblivion. Wii already has 2 (3 if you're in Japan).

If history [of their last two home consoles] is any indication, and 3rd party developers quit making games on the system in the 3rd year, then the Wii is dead in the water.

Wow, whilst that is true, have you not been looking into gaming news over the last year? Only the most staunch developers aren't looking at the Wii. The system is selling better than the PS2 did. On the other hand the PS3 and 360 have been selling worse than Nintendo's previous 2 offerings. The market is sorted.

It's crazy reading all this. I know there are fanboys here, but even I knew the PS2 was destined to be massively successful and the Gamecube to flop :rolleyes: you guys are hilarious!
The PS3 has a slow climb. I think it's going to end up in 3rd. The 360 will have a very good run, but a definite 2nd.

[Symtex]

WTF. A games console a toy? Whodathunkthat?
If it wasn't for Sony's 1st party (or are they 2nd party?) games the PS3 would be full of generic games. What truly groundbreaking games came out on the 360 in it's first year? Oblivion. Wii already has 2 (3 if you're in Japan).



Wow, whilst that is true, have you not been looking into gaming news over the last year? Only the most staunch developers aren't looking at the Wii. The system is selling better than the PS2 did. On the other hand the PS3 and 360 have been selling worse than Nintendo's previous 2 offerings. The market is sorted.

It's crazy reading all this. I know there are fanboys here, but even I knew the PS2 was destined to be massively successful and the Gamecube to flop :rolleyes: you guys are hilarious!
The PS3 has a slow climb. I think it's going to end up in 3rd. The 360 will have a very good run, but a definite 2nd.

Come on Ragged, you have to admit that Wii has appeal only to casual gamer so far. It's your cup of tea but it's not mine. I think you can't forget that hardcore gamer spend the most $$ per console. You can't forget them.

Nintendo will continue what Nintendo has been doing for years now. They doing their own thing and don't really care about third party. They don't need them to survive. Nintendo has yet to share API to access Mii, Wiiware or any online features with their third party dev. When I here Reggie saying that Nintendo is serious about online, I almost choke on my drink. They are so far behind. Even Sony has more to offer in their anemic PSN compare to Nintendo.

[Dagless]

So they're not bothered about 3rd party? I suppose that's why they're releasing WiiWare and only charge a few thousand &#163; for development kits? Heck back at university we had reps come to hype us into developing for the Revolution (As it was back then).

Of course hardcore gamers spend more. I'm a hardcore gamer who is more than satisfied with a PC and Wii. Between them 2 both bases are covered. Though I'd hardly call Metal Slug, Excite Truck, Metroid Prime, Galaxy, Mario Kart and Smash Bros "casual games", in the same way I don't call the PS2/3 with it's Singstar, guitar and dance games "casual systems".

If anyone hates 3rd party right now it's Sony. They've lost so many 3rd party exclusives, no XNA/WiiWare style service and the dev kit costs similar to the 360's. I'm surprised folk around here can hold a straight face and say "Nintendo are going to repeat history" when the PS3 is the one imitating the N64...

[Chone]

So they're not bothered about 3rd party? I suppose that's why they're releasing WiiWare and only charge a few thousand £ for development kits? Heck back at university we had reps come to hype us into developing for the Revolution (As it was back then).

Of course hardcore gamers spend more. I'm a hardcore gamer who is more than satisfied with a PC and Wii. Between them 2 both bases are covered. Though I'd hardly call Metal Slug, Excite Truck, Metroid Prime, Galaxy, Mario Kart and Smash Bros "casual games", in the same way I don't call the PS2/3 with it's Singstar, guitar and dance games "casual systems".

But are those groundbreaking games? They are the same franchises over and over again, the same games all over again. Sure they are still fun as hell but personally, I'm sick that all the good games in the Wii have Mario's face in it. And yeah, I didn't mean anything by toy, I consider all my consoles toys.

The Wii, like any other console, has really nice games (you won't argue me that the GameCube sucked last gen but it still had nice games) but contrary to Nintendo's hype machine, it is NOT a revolution and it is NOT the future of gaming. It is just something different and the only games worth playing are Nintendo's with a few 3rd party here and there (like RE4 but lo and behold, thats a Cube port...) so what has changed from the GameCube? Nothing.

The DS on the other hand, is a great machine, it IS a huge advancement in portable gaming but the Wii... not so much and the limited hardware certainly doesn't help and before you come down on me saying graphics don't make games... well they don't but better hardware also unlocks new possibilities in gameplay, particularly with the still largely untapped field of physics. When the physics revolution comes... the Wii will be at a large disadvantage and suddenly flailing your arms around won't sound so attractive. Except of course for playing the same ol' Nintendo games, but... was the GameCube any different?

So tell me, if Nintendo didn't make games... would the Wii even be on the map?

[zero2dash]

What truly groundbreaking games came out on the 360 in it's first year? Oblivion.

GRAW
RSV
Gears
Oblivion


Wow, whilst that is true, have you not been looking into gaming news over the last year? Only the most staunch developers aren't looking at the Wii.

Looking at - I don't count.
There's games in the pipeline, and it'll take some time to see the 'long term support' that I'm looking for; until then though, I count the Wii as a "wild card", not a sure thing. Nothing more, nothing less.

On the other hand the PS3 and 360 have been selling worse than Nintendo's previous 2 offerings. The market is sorted.

The market is also fickle and cost-conscious.
The previous two Nintendo systems retailed for half the price (or more) than the 360 and Ps3; it's no wonder total sales figures right now frown upon both systems. But it's been said and proof's been given before...more people bought Ps2s after the price drops than prior to them. Do you honestly think that the Ps3 or 360 won't sell like hotcakes with the recent price drops on both? And those are obviously the first line of price drops; it's not like the systems will go through their entire lifecycle with only these price drops.

I'm surprised folk around here can hold a straight face and say "Nintendo are going to repeat history" when the PS3 is the one imitating the N64...

...but the Ps3 has the Playstation lineage and the Playstation name.
Casual gamers, the group that progx here thinks is the reason that the Wii will win - those same casual gamers 99&#37; of the time couple "video games" with "Playstation" every second of the day.

Name recognition like that doesn't just fade away. The only thing holding back the Ps3 from larger sales is the sticker shock that most people get from it. Once it gets to acceptable levels, they'll sell - you can be sure of that. Hell the PSP has sold much better since they dropped the price on it and released good games, and that fared much worse off than the Ps3 during its infancy.

But are those groundbreaking games? They are the same franchises over and over again, the same games all over again. Sure they are still fun as hell but personally, I'm sick that all the good games in the Wii have Mario's face in it.

Absolutely...wholeheartedly agree.
Despite coming up with good sequels most of the time (not counting Mario Party)...sorry, but I'm sick of seeing 15 different Mario games. Enough already. Put some more effort into coming up with new stuff. Let Miyamoto go hog wild like he did with Pikmin. Introduce more 'new' franchises. I'm not saying abandon what works for you, I'm saying...put it on the back burner and come up with more than just Mario for crying out loud.

The Wii, like any other console, has really nice games (you won't argue me that the GameCube sucked last gen but it still had nice games) but contrary to Nintendo's hype machine, it is NOT a revolution and it is NOT the future of gaming. It is just something different and the only games worth playing are Nintendo's with a few 3rd party here and there (like RE4 but lo and behold, thats a Cube port...) so what has changed from the GameCube? Nothing.

Again - I agree wholeheartedly.
The ease of shoehorning Gamecube games onto the Wii is cause for question/worry, not cause for celebration.

[Dagless]

The market is also fickle and cost-conscious.
The previous two Nintendo systems retailed for half the price (or more) than the 360 and Ps3; it's no wonder total sales figures right now frown upon both systems. But it's been said and proof's been given before...more people bought Ps2s after the price drops than prior to them. Do you honestly think that the Ps3 or 360 won't sell like hotcakes with the recent price drops on both? And those are obviously the first line of price drops; it's not like the systems will go through their entire lifecycle with only these price drops.
Of course they will sell when there's a price drop. Just like the Wii will. Just like there will be a surge when the DS Lite drops &#163;19. It's a shame that price drops occur a long time after the system has been out, after devs have settled on producing a game for X system. The best time for a price cut would be in the first 6 months as systems are starting to find their feet, to pull in more buyers which pulls in more developers.


...but the Ps3 has the Playstation lineage and the Playstation name.
Casual gamers, the group that progx here thinks is the reason that the Wii will win - those same casual gamers 99&#37; of the time couple "video games" with "Playstation" every second of the day.
I'm sorry, Nintendo didn't have lineage from the NES and SNES? That sure helped the N64 :rolleyes: Commodore (64/128) and Amiga were roaring successes in Europe. Sega were pretty popular too. Atari... Your point?

Name recognition like that doesn't just fade away. The only thing holding back the Ps3 from larger sales is the sticker shock that most people get from it. Once it gets to acceptable levels, they'll sell - you can be sure of that. Hell the PSP has sold much better since they dropped the price on it and released good games, and that fared much worse off than the Ps3 during its infancy.

As I just said, name accounts for nothing. The only people who go for names are the hardcore with preferences, not casual people who buy something through word of mouth and clever advertising.
I don't care much for cars so I'm not fussed about Ford vs Honda or whatever I'll just go to a car showroom and get the best for my price range.
The public choose a system, developers swarm, more people buy, more developers swarm.

The ease of shoehorning Gamecube games onto the Wii is cause for question/worry, not cause for celebration.
The ease of taking games possible on last gen machines and upscaling textures is a worry of mine. This also includes games with recycled gameplay and hybrid games.

[Antares]

I thought this thread is about whether to get the Xbox360 Elite or the PS3? What does the Wii have to do with that?

Back on topic...I'm leaning toward getting the PS3 as my first non-Nintendo system. Blueray + the ability to play great games, for $499, seems to offer the most value for the money.

[steamboat26]

I'd say the 360 is much less reliable than the PS3 currently. But IIRC, after a year or two a lot of PS2s broke due to disk read errors, which were easily fixable, but voided your warranty. All I'm saying is that it is too early to tell.

@Noodle- you can't argue that the 360 has a HD advantage, because the PS3s hd is user upgradeable ;)

[progx]

Fads that should be dead:
iPod and iTunes. Wait, they're still alive. The iPod is six years old, iTunes climbed up to the third highest entertainment retailer in the country in just four years. Apple made moves to keep the "fad" going. Or else, the Mac would be the only thing keeping Apple barely alive, again.

If you want to believe the fads, then Apple would be on the brink again and wouldn't be on the forefront of technological innovation.

Look at the original iMac. It wasn't on the cutting edge. Apple took the cheapest parts of their all-in-ones and put it in a sexy case. And every Windows nut laughed and said Apple would be dead before the 21st century.

Hardcore gamers do make up much of the market, but it is VERY cost conscious. That's why Nintendo made the system they did, to appeal to them as well. Don't think Nintendo isn't resting on this craze, they will find ways to keep it going. This isn't the Gamecube era anymore. Nintendo is a much different company and they are making great decisions to keep themselves ahead of everyone else.

The Wii will be less than $200 by the end of next year. Hell, everyone thought the DS was going to be dead, now it has over hundreds of titles out just from the DS Lite. The Wii will be here to stay. Microsoft is the new Gamecube of this generation. Sony will give Nintendo a run, but not Microsoft. They run their entertainment division the same way everything is, less facts and more flash. More threats and empty promises, just as to their enterprise customers who are switching to Linux. And more monkey boy appearances, with "developer" chants, maybe related to "Wal-mart" morning meetings.

You guys want this fad to be dead because you don't want change in the video game market. And you can't admit that the casual game market is extremely hot.

Just updating graphics would have been the death of the industry and more people would be playing Flash games on the Internet, rather than Half-Life 2. People don't want an alternate reality, probably as boring as real life, they want fun. Nintendo has kept that, the Wii is a system everyone can enjoy. Maybe not for you, but it's universal. The same with your favorite Macs and iPods.

And stemboat26, you're right, it's way too early to tell.

Antares, if you want the PS3, get it. Just like if someone wants the 360, get it. And the Blu ray movies are cheaper than their HD cousins.

Zero2dash, I haven't played any of my Gamecube titles. I've been distracted by great Wii titles and Virtual console games.

[Dagless]

WiiFit gets released and Nintendo buys Japan.

progx- Don't forget the DS being a fad :D. Technology and everything aside - both have the same ideology; bring gamers and non-gamers together. That's what I'm seeing both systems do. Which is why I put them side by side (and clearly a lot of people, looking at hardware and software sales).

[steamboat26]

progx you seem to be hinting at a point that others seem to be missing, since the wii has sold so well, any third party developer that wants to make money will start making games for the wii. Granted, thus far they have mostly been poorly presented ports, but if the wii continues to sell this well, you can bet that more studios will make games for it. Its almost the same situation as the DS.

[progx]

progx you seem to be hinting at a point that others seem to be missing, since the wii has sold so well, any third party developer that wants to make money will start making games for the wii. Granted, thus far they have mostly been poorly presented ports, but if the wii continues to sell this well, you can bet that more studios will make games for it. Its almost the same situation as the DS.

Exactly. As Reggie said, there is an installed base of over 2 million Wii owners in the U.S. alone. What does that equal? $

Hell, we the 360 came out, we had a healthy supply at our store by March. Someone could walk right in and buy it. The Wii on the other hand, we've only be getting 2-4 systems a month, and they're gone within 2 days.

Its been almost one year and we still can't keep the system on the shelf. Although, we do have Xbox 360 and PS3s available.

[Dagless]

progx you seem to be hinting at a point that others seem to be missing, since the wii has sold so well, any third party developer that wants to make money will start making games for the wii. Granted, thus far they have mostly been poorly presented ports, but if the wii continues to sell this well, you can bet that more studios will make games for it. Its almost the same situation as the DS.

QF massive damage.

As Praxis said - wonder why there are ports cropping up (starting about 4 months after the Wii was released)? Devs and publishers have seen how freakin popular the Wii is and they're scrambling to get anything out for it. It's a shame it takes 1-3 years to make a good game, since that's when we're going to see the results of the Wii's skyrocketing popularity.

[zero2dash]

I'm sorry, Nintendo didn't have lineage from the NES and SNES? That sure helped the N64 :rolleyes:

Nintendo had 2 systems that were popular with consumers, then 2 that were not.

Both Playstations thus far have been the highest selling home consoles in history.

'Nintendo' name recognition is down the toilet; 'Playstation' isn't.

Nintendo has lineage, sure. But not like Playstation at this point in time.


As I just said, name accounts for nothing. The only people who go for names are the hardcore with preferences, not casual people who buy something through word of mouth and clever advertising.

Name accounts for nothing, eh? Really.
How come people pay premium pricing on name brands then?
You think 'what's in a name', well I'll tell you. People stick with name recognition based off previous experiences with a brand, as well as quality and warranty. Anyone who buys a $600 42" LCDTV by a company like iLO at Walmart is not going to expect that tv to last as long as a $2000 42" Sony LCDTV because they know the Sony is made better.

This is no different.
Kids think "Playstation" is synonymous with "video games" just like they think "McDonalds" is synonymous with "burger and fries".

What's the largest consumer bracket for sales?
Families...with kids who beg and plead for video games at Christmas and birthdays.

The N64 and Gamecube sold, and earned Nintendo profits. But both bombed in the public eye.
Playstation 1 & 2 didn't bomb in the public eye, they were both huge successes. There's your answer.

[Dagless]

The N64 and Gamecube sold, and earned Nintendo profits. But both bombed in the public eye.
Playstation 1 & 2 didn't bomb in the public eye, they were both huge successes. There's your answer.

So the abundance of negative press now assosiated with Sony (especially in the UK) isn't harming their image? Yes the PS1 and 2 did well, the PSP and PS3 aren't. Sony have had their 2 **** ups. You could even argue than only Nintendo's Virtual Boy, N64 and Gamecube were failures - NES, SNES, GB, GBA, DS, Wii have been huge sucesses. 50% of Sony's released systems are last in their markets...

Oh, and handhelds. The Nintendo name has been absolutely stellar and dominated that market since 1989. Arguably much bigger than Sony, no?

Sony now seems to stand for very expensive A/V with included games console.
Nintendo now seems to stand for accessible and dedicated gaming.
This wasn't the case in the Gamecube days. The market has changed, if that hasn't been obvious to you yet. I say this because I would have agreed with you if the DS and Wii didn't exist.

[Symtex]

So the abundance of negative press now assosiated with Sony (especially in the UK) isn't harming their image? Yes the PS1 and 2 did well, the PSP and PS3 aren't. Sony have had their 2 **** ups. You could even argue than only Nintendo's Virtual Boy, N64 and Gamecube were failures - NES, SNES, GB, GBA, DS, Wii have been huge sucesses. 50% of Sony's released systems are last in their markets...

Oh, and handhelds. The Nintendo name has been absolutely stellar and dominated that market since 1989. Arguably much bigger than Sony, no?

Sony now seems to stand for very expensive A/V with included games console.
Nintendo now seems to stand for accessible and dedicated gaming.
This wasn't the case in the Gamecube days. The market has changed, if that hasn't been obvious to you yet. I say this because I would have agreed with you if the DS and Wii didn't exist.

I am going to try to say it the nicest possible way : GTFO of this thread. This is a PS3 vs X360 thread. It has nothing with Nintendo. We know, you are a Nintendo fanboy..we get it.

[zero2dash]

So the abundance of negative press now assosiated with Sony (especially in the UK) isn't harming their image?

Please.
What bad press?
I haven't heard much of nothing anti Sony (other than fanboy BS on here) for the majority of the time since the system launched. People complained about shootings at launch; that's not indicative of a Ps3 only problem when people have been trampled for Black Thursday sales after Thanksgiving and people used to get beat up in stores and parking lots for Tickle Me Elmos and Cabbage Patch Kids. Lately the half-assed price drop drew some bad press, otherwise it was old news within a few days.

Quit with the nonsense.

Yes the PS1 and 2 did well, the PSP and PS3 aren't. Sony have had their 2 **** ups.

Two systems that aren't finished with yet they've already screwed up. Wow that's not unfair or biased. :rolleyes:

Again quit with the nonsense.

You could even argue than only Nintendo's Virtual Boy, N64 and Gamecube were failures - NES, SNES, GB, GBA, DS, Wii have been huge sucesses. 50% of Sony's released systems are last in their markets...

Did I bring up portables? No. I said home consoles. As in Nintendo's last two home consoles bombed and they DID. Open your eyes and put aside the hate.

Oh, and handhelds. The Nintendo name has been absolutely stellar and dominated that market since 1989. Arguably much bigger than Sony, no?

You're comparing a company with [how many portables now?]
Game Boy -> Game Boy Pocket -> Game Boy Color -> Game Boy Advance -> Game Boy Advance SP -> Game Boy Micro -> DS -> DS Lite

8 portables

to a company with 1 portable?
Are you out of your mind?


Nintendo now seems to stand for accessible and dedicated gaming.


...catered to casual gamers, fk the hardcores. Way to alienate your fanbase, Nintendo.



I'm done with this nonsense. No wonder Ed walks around here pissed off all the time; all the Nintendo blindness going on. :cool:

[Dagless]

Please.
What bad press?
I haven't heard much of nothing anti Sony (other than fanboy BS on here) for the majority of the time since the system launched. People complained about shootings at launch; that's not indicative of a Ps3 only problem when people have been trampled for Black Thursday sales after Thanksgiving and people used to get beat up in stores and parking lots for Tickle Me Elmos and Cabbage Patch Kids. Lately the half-assed price drop drew some bad press, otherwise it was old news within a few days.

Quit with the nonsense.
Heh, please read my original statement ("Especially in the UK"). Bad adverts that the press constantly hate and have become a laughing stock, Resistance/Church business, recent adverts being banned, attempts at getting cash back from the government "it's a computer :D". Ever since the console launched the only good news the UK (did you see that this time?) press have given the system was that they handed out free TV's on the launch night. Last article I saw was something about BlueRay failing in a computer mag.

"quit with the nonsense", or are you another thinks there isn't a different world outside the US?



Two systems that aren't finished with yet they've already screwed up. Wow that's not unfair or biased. :rolleyes:

Again quit with the nonsense.

PSP sales half that of the DS. Yea, like the PSP is suddenly going to overtake :rolleyes: PS3 even behind the Xbox 360 in monthly sales, and GBA! False hope much?



Did I bring up portables? No. I said home consoles. As in Nintendo's last two home consoles bombed and they DID. Open your eyes and put aside the hate.
No you brought up names and brands. I brought up other gaming systems under the same brand.



You're comparing a company with [how many portables now?]
Game Boy -> Game Boy Pocket -> Game Boy Color -> Game Boy Advance -> Game Boy Advance SP -> Game Boy Micro -> DS -> DS Lite

8 portables

to a company with 1 portable?

So Sony should get preferential treatment because it has 1 system? It's their own fault they didn't come out with a handheld sooner. Not mine, not yours ;)

...catered to casual gamers, fk the hardcores. Way to alienate your fanbase, Nintendo.

I'm sorry. I thought RE4, TP, Galaxy, Prime, Brawl, CoD, Metal Slug, Mario Strikers, Alone in the Dark, BWii, Driver, Tomb Raider, Madden, Manhunt 2 (eventually), Godfather, Paper Mario and Tales of Symphonia were all casual games.



I'm done with this nonsense. No wonder Ed walks around here pissed off all the time; all the Nintendo blindness going on. :cool:

Hypocrite much? :D

[2nyRiggz]

I'm just going to put this in the air for all the people that think "sony is teh doomed"(Did I do this right SK?) or they ****** up this current gen.

PSP= 10-15+ Million(or something along that lines) install base worldwide
PS3= 4.5 to 6 Million install base in its eight month life span.


Okay I'm done.....ramble on guys:cool:



Bless

[zero2dash]

PSP sales half that of the DS. Yea, like the PSP is suddenly going to overtake :rolleyes: PS3 even behind the Xbox 360 in monthly sales, and GBA! False hope much?

Stay on topic much? you've brought every one of Nintendos consoles and PSP into a 360/Ps3 thread
Is that your ammunition, Jimmi?
Your answer to all of Nintendo's home console troubles is to pull out a bunch of nonsense about the other consoles and compare it to Nintendo's portables?

All hail to the church of Miyamoto and Iwata and co. :rolleyes:

No you brought up names and brands.

And home consoles.
Nowhere did I say portables.
But again, if your only ammunition to defending Nintendo's pathetic home console existence in the last 2 product cycles is to bring up another one of their divisions, then feel free to make yourself look desperate in defending your beloved house that Mario built.

So Sony should get preferential treatment because it has 1 system? It's their own fault they didn't come out with a handheld sooner. Not mine, not yours ;)

So lets start a torch party and go storm Sony hq then right?
comparing apples to oranges is one thing; you're comparing an apple to a pepperoni pizza. Nice one

I'm sorry. I thought RE4, TP, Galaxy, Prime, Brawl, CoD, Metal Slug, Mario Strikers, Alone in the Dark, BWii, Driver, Tomb Raider, Madden, Manhunt 2 (eventually), Godfather, Paper Mario and Tales of Symphonia were all casual games.

Metal Slug is a casual game?
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA.
wait a minute
AAAAAAAAAH HAHAHAHAHA
a casual game is something easily played by all.
Let's see a casual player pass two stages in Metal Slug without quitting out of frustration in teh game's difficulty.

TP a casual game? really
didn't know casual gamers would put 40-50+ hours into a single title :rolleyes:

Hypocrite much? :D
Keep tooting your own horn and flying your Nintendo flag bro, suits you well :D
i'm not blind to the fact that Nintendo gets half their $#!t done right half of the time and afraid to talk about it
i'll rip on Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, any of em when I see BS.
but please, do continue to look beyond Nintendo's flaws, i hear they allow people in their clan who do such a thing and never question how moronic some of their decisions have been

[Dagless]

Metal Slug is a casual game?
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA.
wait a minute
AAAAAAAAAH HAHAHAHAHA
a casual game is something easily played by all.
Let's see a casual player pass two stages in Metal Slug without quitting out of frustration in teh game's difficulty.


Completely missed that sarcasm bit I see.

Oh, and I know the Wii has flaws. I've gone on about them many times. But I'm not talking about flaws (just as you could talk about brands without accounting for a specific brands trump card :rolleyes:). We were talking about how brand image means little in the way of fickle video game players.

Figures currently at;
360- 10.3 million in 2 years
Wii- 10 million in 8 months
PS3- 4.09 million in 8 months

DS- 46 million
PSP- 22 million.

And now I leave this farce of a thread. OP; go for the 360. Everyone else scared about the Wii, make your own thread.

[steamboat26]

Just my 2 cents...
I don't think the bad press previously mentioned was that damaging- Sony over promising (with the dual HDMI) and under delivering was what has done them in so far. That and the price. They have taken steps to fix these problems, like the price drop, but then they are going to eliminate the 60 GB model. The PS3 has done quite well with reliability, free online, and a few good games, but most people choose to look at a few major faults, and choose to ignore that sony is moving in the right direction. All they really need is a price drop to make things more competitive, which will increase sales, causing more titles to stay exclusive and more franchises to come to the PS3. The PS and PS2 were amazing consoles, but sony can't expect to ride the coat tails of its previous success.

And for Nintendo v Sony. Nintendo was the master of cartridge based games, but got into the CD/DVD game too late. IMO, putting GC games on mini-DVDs was part of the reason the GC didn't do too well. One could argue that nintendo is still behind the curve this gen, for gfx and online play, but they have improved a lot, and the success of the wii is evident in the sales

[progx]

I'm done with this nonsense. No wonder Ed walks around here pissed off all the time; all the Nintendo blindness going on. :cool:

Didn't a lot of techs say the same thing about Mac heads about a decade ago? :D

[Steve Jobless]

thanks for all the help guys.

i think ive decided to go with a 60gb ps3.

why? there are too many reasons. one of which is 360 issues. not reliability but rather waiting for these 65nm chips to come. also IF, God forbid my console breaks down i would be stuck without a system for about a month. I thought a week without my ps2 and madden was bad. I know all in ones are bad, but the ps3 has something i was looking to get but may not purchase now, an upconverting dvd player. While i've stated im not interested in hd formats thats due to the fact that I could upconvert dvd and get just as good picture quality. another plus is the fact that i already have a psp and quite a few ps1 and ps2 games which are still fun to play and could hold me over. while the 360 has a nice library there are very few games that im interested in that are exclusives. i would also feel like a sucker paying 10 dollars more for the same technology used in the original xbox regular dvd-9, i do realize at this point there is no advantage with blu-ray since they probably are not using all 25 gigs of free space but i'd like to think that at some point that extra storage space will yield something of significance. the built in wifi is also another plus the architecture of my home limits my wired internet use, yes i can buy a wireless adapter but why? at 100 its a rip off even at 85? from costco. i know i can buy a wireless bridge then again why should i have to use an extra outlet? also the ps3's HDMI inputs work to my benefit, yes i know the xbox 360 now has HDMI but im not sure about how its implemented. as ive stated before i will be using my tv with my mbp so vga/dvi isnt much of an option.

and before you say well for 150 less i can get 2 games for 360 maybe even 3, i dont play halo, i dont play gears although i probably would buy it if i do get a 360 or fps games. most of what i want for 360 i can get for ps3 except for test drive, call of juarez, forza and prefect dark. even then those games arent must haves. also keep in mind i would still have to add 40-50 for live and then the wireless adapter in the end it just seems like a ps3 looks like the best financial choice for a student.

[GFLPraxis]

thanks for all the help guys.

i think ive decided to go with a 60gb ps3.

why? there are too many reasons. one of which is 360 issues. not reliability but rather waiting for these 65nm chips to come. also IF, God forbid my console breaks down i would be stuck without a system for about a month. I thought a week without my ps2 and madden was bad. I know all in ones are bad, but the ps3 has something i was looking to get but may not purchase now, an upconverting dvd player. While i've stated im not interested in hd formats thats due to the fact that I could upconvert dvd and get just as good picture quality. another plus is the fact that i already have a psp and quite a few ps1 and ps2 games which are still fun to play and could hold me over. while the 360 has a nice library there are very few games that im interested in that are exclusives. i would also feel like a sucker paying 10 dollars more for the same technology used in the original xbox regular dvd-9, i do realize at this point there is no advantage with blu-ray since they probably are not using all 25 gigs of free space but i'd like to think that at some point that extra storage space will yield something of significance. the built in wifi is also another plus the architecture of my home limits my wired internet use, yes i can buy a wireless adapter but why? at 100 its a rip off even at 85? from costco. i know i can buy a wireless bridge then again why should i have to use an extra outlet? also the ps3's HDMI inputs work to my benefit, yes i know the xbox 360 now has HDMI but im not sure about how its implemented. as ive stated before i will be using my tv with my mbp so vga/dvi isnt much of an option.

and before you say well for 150 less i can get 2 games for 360 maybe even 3, i dont play halo, i dont play gears although i probably would buy it if i do get a 360 or fps games. most of what i want for 360 i can get for ps3 except for test drive, call of juarez, forza and prefect dark. even then those games arent must haves. also keep in mind i would still have to add 40-50 for live and then the wireless adapter in the end it just seems like a ps3 looks like the best financial choice for a student.

To be entirely honest, yes, as a hardware choice, PS3 is a MUCH better deal. $50 for XBox Live + $100 for a WiFi adapter brings the 360 up to PS3 pricing, and the PS3 still has Blu-ray over the 360 and a bigger hard drive.

But these aren't PCs. They're appliances for games. The numbers shouldn't matter. Nobody asks for the processor speed and RAM amount on their CD player. I don't know what my iPod's clock speed is.

Realistically, we're talking about spending $500 on either system. PS3 will also give you that upconverting DVD player you wanted.

But the real question is, which has the games you want? That should answer your question.

From what you've said, sounds like the 360 only has a LITTLE more than the PS3 in terms of what games you like. So ask yourself; which would you rather have, those games you CAN'T get on the PS3, or the upconverting DVD player? (unless you see something on PS3 you want that you can't get on 360)

[Steve Jobless]

To be entirely honest, yes, as a hardware choice, PS3 is a MUCH better deal. $50 for XBox Live + $100 for a WiFi adapter brings the 360 up to PS3 pricing, and the PS3 still has Blu-ray over the 360 and a bigger hard drive.

But these aren't PCs. They're appliances for games. The numbers shouldn't matter. Nobody asks for the processor speed and RAM amount on their CD player. I don't know what my iPod's clock speed is.

Realistically, we're talking about spending $500 on either system. PS3 will also give you that upconverting DVD player you wanted.

But the real question is, which has the games you want? That should answer your question.

From what you've said, sounds like the 360 only has a LITTLE more than the PS3 in terms of what games you like. So ask yourself; which would you rather have, those games you CAN'T get on the PS3, or the upconverting DVD player? (unless you see something on PS3 you want that you can't get on 360)

Gran Turismo:D

[diamond.g]

thanks for all the help guys.

i think ive decided to go with a 60gb ps3.

why? there are too many reasons. one of which is 360 issues. not reliability but rather waiting for these 65nm chips to come. also IF, God forbid my console breaks down i would be stuck without a system for about a month. I thought a week without my ps2 and madden was bad. I know all in ones are bad, but the ps3 has something i was looking to get but may not purchase now, an upconverting dvd player. While i've stated im not interested in hd formats thats due to the fact that I could upconvert dvd and get just as good picture quality. another plus is the fact that i already have a psp and quite a few ps1 and ps2 games which are still fun to play and could hold me over. while the 360 has a nice library there are very few games that im interested in that are exclusives. i would also feel like a sucker paying 10 dollars more for the same technology used in the original xbox regular dvd-9, i do realize at this point there is no advantage with blu-ray since they probably are not using all 25 gigs of free space but i'd like to think that at some point that extra storage space will yield something of significance. the built in wifi is also another plus the architecture of my home limits my wired internet use, yes i can buy a wireless adapter but why? at 100 its a rip off even at 85? from costco. i know i can buy a wireless bridge then again why should i have to use an extra outlet? also the ps3's HDMI inputs work to my benefit, yes i know the xbox 360 now has HDMI but im not sure about how its implemented. as ive stated before i will be using my tv with my mbp so vga/dvi isnt much of an option.

and before you say well for 150 less i can get 2 games for 360 maybe even 3, i dont play halo, i dont play gears although i probably would buy it if i do get a 360 or fps games. most of what i want for 360 i can get for ps3 except for test drive, call of juarez, forza and prefect dark. even then those games arent must haves. also keep in mind i would still have to add 40-50 for live and then the wireless adapter in the end it just seems like a ps3 looks like the best financial choice for a student.

HDMI is 1.2 on the 360. I want a PS3 but will only get one when I know GT is coming out. I got a PSP cause I was under the impression the GT4:Mobile was comming out within the first 8 months of the systems life.

[7on]

I would go with the 360 myself. Love my Xbox 1 I got on the cheap.

[Coded-Dude]

HDMI is 1.2 on the 360. I want a PS3 but will only get one when I know GT is coming out. I got a PSP cause I was under the impression the GT4:Mobile was comming out within the first 8 months of the systems life.

Damn you Kazunori Yamauchi!

[sethypoo]

So is your mom.
I kid, I kid!

Oh snap! :D

[Agathon]

I have both consoles (I have the 80GB Korean PS3). I'd support your choice to go with the PS3. That's not to say that the 360 is not a good system, with some cracking games available for it.

But here are the reasons:

1. Hardware. The 360 is simply unreliable. Moreover, the PS3 is technically superior.

2. Noise. The 360 is very loud, which makes it useless as a media centre. The PS3 is pretty quiet, such that I don't notice it when I am playing Brian Eno's Apollo album (which is a really quiet album of ambient music).

3. Features. The PS3 simply has more features, like Bluetooth built in, the ability to run Linux on it, and so on. It really feels like an all in one entertainment centre, whereas the 360 feels like a console with the other stuff bolted on as an afterthought.

4. Interface. The XMB is much better than the 360's Blade interface. It's simpler and nicer to look at. It enables access to far more options than the 360 has, and does so much more simply (trying to change network options can be a pain on the 360). The new XBox Live blade doesn't match the other blades, which is inconsistent.

5. Polish. When the PS3 boots up, you get the wonderful sound of an orchestra. It really is classy, and sets the tone for the user experience. Everything in the user interface is so clean and nice looking that it shames the 360. Someone really cared about the user experience. The XMB is probably the nicest looking interface I have seen that is not designed by Apple. You can see this clearly in the music visualisers. The PS3's is fluid and clean, like a great piece of electronic music. The 360s is like having a bad acid trip at a Bulgarian circus.

6. Online. PSN is free. PS Home will make it better than XBox Live. What all online console services have lacked so far is a proper feeling of community. It appears that PS Home will provide that central sense of community (like that an MMORPG has). With a central meeting place, it will be much easier to make friends than trash talking in a game lobby.

7. Blu Ray. It's going to win. Moreover, since MS has stated that all 360 games will come on standard DVDs, this will cripple the 360 as the consoles age. You can simply fit a whole lot more game on a Blu Ray disc. If you like gigantic games with mega huge environments and tons of graphics, the PS3 will have them, and the 360 won't.

8. Dominance. Microsoft took a gamble in releasing the 360 early. While it is not a forgone conclusion, that gamble appears not to have paid off. The PS3 has tracked the 360's sales since launch IIRC (i.e. if you put them at an equal starting point, its about the same so far). That's all that Sony has to do, because it has the superior machine. As time passes, the value of the 360 in comparison with the PS3 declines. Nintendo is the dark horse, but the Wii isn't an HD machine.

Don't get me wrong. I still like my 360, but the PS3 is just a lot better. There has been so much anti-Sony sentiment in the English media that it has given the appearance that the PS3 is in trouble (and there's a small amount of racist sentiment in that). It's not.

Even Paul Thurrott liked the PS3. That should tell you something.

[GFLPraxis]

I would like to point out, Agathon, that everything you point to is beside the point. (wow, I used point 3 times in one sentence, that takes skill!)

Yes, the hardware is better at the price, offering things like WiFi and Blu-ray; but who realistically, why should we care which console is quieter? Why should we care which has the prettier startup screen? All that matters are Games.

Also, Paul Thurrott likes Vista. I wouldn't take his word for anything.



7. Blu Ray. It's going to win. Moreover, since MS has stated that all 360 games will come on standard DVDs, this will cripple the 360 as the consoles age. You can simply fit a whole lot more game on a Blu Ray disc. If you like gigantic games with mega huge environments and tons of graphics, the PS3 will have them, and the 360 won't.

Such absolute certainty on what is speculation...despite all the Blu-ray propoganda on MR (due to Apple's non-exclusive support), due to the recent Paramount/Dreamworks deal, HD-DVD and Blu-ray have an almost even split between movie studios. Transformers, Shrek, Blades of Glory, etc will not see Blu-ray releases.

Consider too that HD-DVD seems to be winning in some European countries.


As far as DVD, I haven't seen many problems so far; not one game has spilled on to a second disk. Most PS3 games just throw everything on the disk uncompressed to take up the spare space.

I think it's too early to put a nail in the coffin of either format.

[Dagless]

WTF.

So, the 360 is never going to see epic games? Well. I suppose it's a good thing Oblivion, Bioshock aren't coming to the 360 since they probably wouldn't fit on a DVD.

Speaking of which - Oblivion takes up 6gb and BioShock is 7gb. Why for any possible reason at all would games need any more than that barring rolling video cutscenes? You don't. That's why the 360 has epic games. That's why the Wii could also handle epic games (just without HD textures).

It's a shame too as Agathon made some other good points.

[IscariotJ]

WTF.

So, the 360 is never going to see epic games? Well. I suppose it's a good thing Oblivion, Bioshock aren't coming to the 360 since they probably wouldn't fit on a DVD.

Speaking of which - Oblivion takes up 6gb and BioShock is 7gb. Why for any possible reason at all would games need any more than that barring rolling video cutscenes? You don't. That's why the 360 has epic games. That's why the Wii could also handle epic games (just without HD textures).

It's a shame too as Agathon made some other good points.

Epic have already said that UT3 PS3 will more than likely ship with more maps than the 360, due to limitations of the DVD. It seems that M$, are making it difficult for the game to be modded, too.

I'm currently in the same situation. As I've mentioned in the Poll thread, I was very close to splashing some cash on a 360, mainly for GoW, UT3, GTA ( also PS3 bound ), and maybe Halo3. With GoW/UT3 coming to the Mac, the only thing that the 360 has in it's favour, is Halo3. I don't know if that's enough to overcome the reliability and noise issue. I know too many people who have had to return their 360, and all of them complain about how much noise the 360's make ( from what I've read, the Elite isn't any quieter ).

The PS3 will play blu-ray/upscale DVD's, has builtin wireless, and doesn't appear to suffer from reliability issues. The only thing it doesn't have, is a huge range of titles, which is sorta the point of having a console in the first place.

Until M$ move to the 65nm chips to help the 360's reliability, and the PS3 get's some decent titles, I don't think either of them is a good buy, at the minute. Not at the current price point ( in the UK, at least ).

[Symtex]

I have both consoles (I have the 80GB Korean PS3). I'd support your choice to go with the PS3. That's not to say that the 360 is not a good system, with some cracking games available for it.

But here are the reasons:

1. Hardware. The 360 is simply unreliable. Moreover, the PS3 is technically superior.

2. Noise. The 360 is very loud, which makes it useless as a media centre. The PS3 is pretty quiet, such that I don't notice it when I am playing Brian Eno's Apollo album (which is a really quiet album of ambient music).

3. Features. The PS3 simply has more features, like Bluetooth built in, the ability to run Linux on it, and so on. It really feels like an all in one entertainment centre, whereas the 360 feels like a console with the other stuff bolted on as an afterthought.

4. Interface. The XMB is much better than the 360's Blade interface. It's simpler and nicer to look at. It enables access to far more options than the 360 has, and does so much more simply (trying to change network options can be a pain on the 360). The new XBox Live blade doesn't match the other blades, which is inconsistent.

5. Polish. When the PS3 boots up, you get the wonderful sound of an orchestra. It really is classy, and sets the tone for the user experience. Everything in the user interface is so clean and nice looking that it shames the 360. Someone really cared about the user experience. The XMB is probably the nicest looking interface I have seen that is not designed by Apple. You can see this clearly in the music visualisers. The PS3's is fluid and clean, like a great piece of electronic music. The 360s is like having a bad acid trip at a Bulgarian circus.

6. Online. PSN is free. PS Home will make it better than XBox Live. What all online console services have lacked so far is a proper feeling of community. It appears that PS Home will provide that central sense of community (like that an MMORPG has). With a central meeting place, it will be much easier to make friends than trash talking in a game lobby.

7. Blu Ray. It's going to win. Moreover, since MS has stated that all 360 games will come on standard DVDs, this will cripple the 360 as the consoles age. You can simply fit a whole lot more game on a Blu Ray disc. If you like gigantic games with mega huge environments and tons of graphics, the PS3 will have them, and the 360 won't.

8. Dominance. Microsoft took a gamble in releasing the 360 early. While it is not a forgone conclusion, that gamble appears not to have paid off. The PS3 has tracked the 360's sales since launch IIRC (i.e. if you put them at an equal starting point, its about the same so far). That's all that Sony has to do, because it has the superior machine. As time passes, the value of the 360 in comparison with the PS3 declines. Nintendo is the dark horse, but the Wii isn't an HD machine.

Don't get me wrong. I still like my 360, but the PS3 is just a lot better. There has been so much anti-Sony sentiment in the English media that it has given the appearance that the PS3 is in trouble (and there's a small amount of racist sentiment in that). It's not.

Even Paul Thurrott liked the PS3. That should tell you something.



If you think Home will be better then Xbox live then you are living in a dreamworld. Home is nothing but a second life rippoff. It took 5 years from Microsoft to built Xbox live and you think Sony is going to do right the first time around ? LMAO !!!

As much as a I love my PS3, There is no game worth playing since Resistance. All mutliplatform game are superior on X360.

I have both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD at home. I can tell you that even though the PS3 is a great blu-ray player, I prefer the HD-DVD catalogue so far and most film that appear of both format have simply more features on the HD-DVD. It's funny, blu-ray as more space but yet HD-DVD release have simply more of them.

XMB as a long way to go before it meet all the feature that X360 dashboard offer. Are you able to get to your friend list in XMB ? Voice-chat with a friend while playing a single player game ? Using MSN Messager ? I haven't seen any theme in PS3. All of this with 32mb while PS3 XMB takes 88 meg and doesn't offer as a much.

Yes the X360 is noisy and might not as be reliable but at least there is games to play on it. Which matter the most to me. Sony is putting their attention away from game with every announcement they make. What made the PS2 a success is that it was a pure gaming machine with a DVD player. That is it.

[zero2dash]

1. Hardware. The 360 is simply unreliable. Moreover, the PS3 is technically superior.

So was Betamax (over VHS). Look where that ended up.

2. Noise. The 360 is very loud, which makes it useless as a media centre.

99&#37; of 360 owners could care less because the 360 is a gaming system, not a cheap HTPC replacement. Neither is the Ps3.

3. Features. The PS3 simply has more features, like Bluetooth built in, the ability to run Linux on it, and so on. It really feels like an all in one entertainment centre, whereas the 360 feels like a console with the other stuff bolted on as an afterthought.

Is Bluetooth required to play games? No.
And who gives a flying crap about Linux?
Oh and you forgot about the memory stick readers. :rolleyes:
This cracks me up; all these tacked on Ps3 incidentals that people commonly refer to as "features". If it's not required to play a game, it's unnecessary and therefore 99% of people will not care whether it's there or not.

4 and 5 are your personal opinions.

6. Online. PSN is free. PS Home will make it better than XBox Live.

I LAWLZ
That's hilarious. No really, it is.
Free yet unmoderated gameplay ftw apparently

7. Blu Ray. It's going to win. Moreover, since MS has stated that all 360 games will come on standard DVDs, this will cripple the 360 as the consoles age. You can simply fit a whole lot more game on a Blu Ray disc. If you like gigantic games with mega huge environments and tons of graphics, the PS3 will have them, and the 360 won't.

Please, check your magic 8 ball and let me know what the lotto numbers will be for next week's drawing, because I could really use the money...thx.

As for DVD being crippled or restrictive due to it's capacity, developers have already stated against this time and time again that DVD is capable enough of giving you the experience they want you to have.

Please, do buy into the "BluRay is required for full HD 4d gameplay" BS some more though.

8 is more speculation and opinion on your behalf.

Even Paul Thurrott liked the PS3. That should tell you something.

Yeah, that Paul Thurrott knows jack and $#!t about video games and needs to stick with writing articles about Windows Vista. Who cares what Paul Thurrott says about video game systems, give me a break.

[Agathon]

If you think Home will be better then Xbox live then you are living in a dreamworld. Home is nothing but a second life rippoff. It took 5 years from Microsoft to built Xbox live and you think Sony is going to do right the first time around ? LMAO !!!

I think you're missing the point. I am an XBL member and, frankly, it is just individual games plus a friends list and email.

That doesn't really add up to a solid community. What should be aimed for is a massively multiplayer multiverse. In other words, all the games are tied to one central environment where there is as much player interaction as possible. That is the point of PSHome. It offers a much higher level of interaction between subscribers than XBox Live does. They should be aiming to have a WoW like community.

As much as a I love my PS3, There is no game worth playing since Resistance. All mutliplatform game are superior on X360.

I love Ninja Gaiden and Motorstorm is a lot of fun. I'm downloading Warhawk as I write this. Resistance, I bought, but I haven't done much with it yet.

XMB as a long way to go before it meet all the feature that X360 dashboard offer. Are you able to get to your friend list in XMB ? Voice-chat with a friend while playing a single player game ? Using MSN Messager ? I haven't seen any theme in PS3. All of this with 32mb while PS3 XMB takes 88 meg and doesn't offer as a much.

I find it easier to use. I also find the PSN store much easier to use than the XBL store. Frankly, talking to someone while I play a single player game is a distraction.

Yes the X360 is noisy and might not as be reliable but at least there is games to play on it. Which matter the most to me. Sony is putting their attention away from game with every announcement they make. What made the PS2 a success is that it was a pure gaming machine with a DVD player. That is it.

That's not good enough in this day and age, and both MS and Sony know it.

[Agathon]

So was Betamax (over VHS). Look where that ended up.

This would only make sense if the situation were the same, but it is not.

99% of 360 owners could care less because the 360 is a gaming system, not a cheap HTPC replacement. Neither is the Ps3.

Sez you. I happen to care. Moreover, the noise is distracting, even while playing games.

Is Bluetooth required to play games? No.

It's required for a Bluetooth headset, which is much better than the wired piece of crap you get with the 360.

And who gives a flying crap about Linux?

Obviously not you.

Oh and you forgot about the memory stick readers. :rolleyes:

So I did. Score another one for the PS3.

This cracks me up; all these tacked on Ps3 incidentals that people commonly refer to as "features". If it's not required to play a game, it's unnecessary and therefore 99% of people will not care whether it's there or not.

Translation: I don't want it, or the console I have doesn't have it, so I'm going to pretend that almost nobody wants it.

I think I know where that 99% figure was pulled from. ;)

4 and 5 are your personal opinions.

Hence, they are in my post. Astonishing....

I LAWLZ
That's hilarious. No really, it is.
Free yet unmoderated gameplay ftw apparently

XBL might as well be unmoderated in my experience.

8 is more speculation and opinion on your behalf.

It's neither blind speculation, or reasonless opinion. You'll need to do better than that to be taken seriously.

Yeah, that Paul Thurrott knows jack and $#!t about video games and needs to stick with writing articles about Windows Vista. Who cares what Paul Thurrott says about video game systems, give me a break.

I think the point is that a hard core Microsoft shill even had nice things about the PS3. It's almost as if Osama bin Laden had complimented George Bush.

But carry on raving...

[Agathon]

The only thing it doesn't have, is a huge range of titles, which is sorta the point of having a console in the first place.

When I bought my 360, over a year ago, there weren't very many good games available for it. Perfect Dark Zero and Oblivion were about the best, and I think GRAW came out a couple of months later. In the last year quite a few must haves have been released. The PS3 is about where the XBox was when I bought mine. I think you would be right to wait.

To tell the truth, I bought the PS3 out of curiosity. I'd had a PSP for a while, and I was impressed with it. I came into a bit of money and I wanted an HD player (and my wife has gone to visit her sister in Europe for a couple of months), so it was a good time to buy (the 80GB version is quite cheap here, and I have free broadband in my building).

I'm really impressed with the PS3. There's obviously a lot of love been poured into its design, and I think it is worth the cash. YMMV, but by all means wait and see what happens.

[Dagless]

That's not good enough in this day and age, and both MS and Sony know it.

No that's exactly what a gaming machine needs. Have you not seen the DS and Wii s***ing all over the other systems sales figures? The 360 and PS3 are performing worse than the Gamecube did. Mr. Joe Public doesn't seem to want these countless features they just want to pop a disc in and play a game.

[Agathon]

No that's exactly what a gaming machine needs. Have you not seen the DS and Wii s***ing all over the other systems sales figures? The 360 and PS3 are performing worse than the Gamecube did. Mr. Joe Public doesn't seem to want these countless features they just want to pop a disc in and play a game.

Just another Nintendo fanboy...

[Dagless]

Just another Nintendo fanboy...

Oh right, so you can disregard the stone cold fact Nintendo are outselling everyone else and they're not expanding much outside of the game console functionality just because you call me a fanboy? I thought you might have enlightened us to why this is so rather than just throwing insults around...

Also, get your facts straight. I have all systems and enjoy them except the PS3 which I sold recently. I own more 360's than Wii's. But hey you're more than welcome to believe what you want.

[Scott982]

I had a 360 and a ps3 but sold the ps3 to buy an iPhone. The ps3 is a great system with alot to offer but aside from watching blu-ray and playing resistance (the only good game) it sat and collected dust.

If you are really into online gaming buy a 360. If you are just a casual gamer and would also like to watch blu-ray then buy a ps3. They are both great consoles so whatever you get I am sure you will be happy.

[steamboat26]

I haven't posted in this thread for a while, and it took me a while to get caught up on what was being said, and where the discussion is going.
The way I see it, Sony is trying to make up for a thus far sub par game lineup, with extra features like memory card readers, DVR capabilities (i heard this somewhere), a blu ray player, linux and things like PSHome. This all makes for a great media center device, but without a good lineup of games, it isn't going to compete with consoles that have great games. Granted, in recent years, consoles have taken on more media center capabilities, but that usually wasn't at the expense of a great gaming experience. Am I saying that the PS3 is down for the count? No, because it hasn't been long enough for a solid lineup to become apparent. It took the 360 a while to get some great games, and everybody should expect at least the same, if not a greater amount of time for the PS3 to get a good lineup of games. Right now, the upcoming games for the PS3 look good, but it will still always be compared to what games the 360 has and will have.
My point (that I already made earlier) is that it is too early to tell. Also, Sony needs to stop focusing on all these media center capabilities and start cranking out some groundbreaking sequels, as well as some great new franchises. To compete, they need exclusives, which are in short supply for Sony these days.

[Agathon]

Oh right, so you can disregard the stone cold fact Nintendo are outselling everyone else and they're not expanding much outside of the game console functionality just because you call me a fanboy? I thought you might have enlightened us to why this is so rather than just throwing insults around...

The Wii is at most an oblique competitor for the other two consoles. It aims at younger gamers and is priced such that it isn't too expensive for mom and pop to buy for the kids.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the Wii. It's a stellar product, but it's aimed at a different crowd.

[Mackilroy]

You're right, Agathon, it's aimed at everyone. Not people in their 20s, not old people, everyone. So despite the fact that it may not have uber-HD graphics and three processors and such, it is beating the pants off the other two consoles.

And before you start whining, yes, I have all three systems.

[Agathon]

I haven't posted in this thread for a while, and it took me a while to get caught up on what was being said, and where the discussion is going.
The way I see it, Sony is trying to make up for a thus far sub par game lineup, with extra features like memory card readers, DVR capabilities (i heard this somewhere), a blu ray player, linux and things like PSHome. This all makes for a great media center device, but without a good lineup of games, it isn't going to compete with consoles that have great games. Granted, in recent years, consoles have taken on more media center capabilities, but that usually wasn't at the expense of a great gaming experience. Am I saying that the PS3 is down for the count? No, because it hasn't been long enough for a solid lineup to become apparent. It took the 360 a while to get some great games, and everybody should expect at least the same, if not a greater amount of time for the PS3 to get a good lineup of games.

I agree completely. I had a 360 when the games weren't really there. I think the first really good 360 games were Oblivion and GRAW 1, and that seems to be a widely shared opinion. Since then, we have had GOW, Forza 2, and now Bioshock. Those are about the best games on the 360 since launch.

Right now, the upcoming games for the PS3 look good, but it will still always be compared to what games the 360 has and will have.

Yes, but the problem for Microsoft is that the PS3 is capable of much more than the 360 is. As time passes, the PS3 is going to have games which the 360 cannot technically compete with in terms of graphics and sheer size.

Play Motorstorm and then go back to the 360, and you'll see what I mean. Forza 2 is an awesome racer, but it's just not on the same scale.

[Agathon]

You're right, Agathon, it's aimed at everyone. Not people in their 20s, not old people, everyone. So despite the fact that it may not have uber-HD graphics and three processors and such, it is beating the pants off the other two consoles.

And before you start whining, yes, I have all three systems.

I'm not whining. I love what Nintendo has done. I think it's hilarious that they are beating the pants off of the other two.

Just because it isn't for me doesn't mean it isn't good.

[Dagless]

Just another Sony fanboy? I mean to compare an arcade racer with an sim racer... :rolleyes: each one with a completely different art style...

How about games like Gears of War? IMO they blow anything else out of the water on both systems. And for the long term, well hasn't the 360 got a more powerful GPU than the PS3? How will it be able to produce better graphics?

[GFLPraxis]

The Wii is at most an oblique competitor for the other two consoles. It aims at younger gamers and is priced such that it isn't too expensive for mom and pop to buy for the kids.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the Wii. It's a stellar product, but it's aimed at a different crowd.


Agathon, have you considered that perhaps the Wii's "childish" lineup is due to the fact that developers jumped on board at the last minute? Nintendo's had very sparse releases, and most third party developers have rushed to port over the games they released on the PS2 and added minor motion controls.


All the big AAA titles have been aimed at older crowds; The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, and Metroid Prime 3, are both pretty violent (not gruesomely so, no gore, but you're slaughtering enemies left and right with swords or guns) and T rated, and Resident Evil 4 has been one of the biggest sellers.


Watch this holiday season, we're going to have some pretty strong releases from Nintendo, and early next year we should have Red Steel 2 ("bloodier and online"), so I hope people will stop assuming Nintendo is targeting children.

[Agathon]

Just another Sony fanboy? I mean to compare an arcade racer with an sim racer... :rolleyes: each one with a completely different art style...

Motorstorm has far better graphics than Forza. End of story.

How about games like Gears of War? IMO they blow anything else out of the water on both systems.

GOW is OK in single player. The multiplayer gets old pretty quickly. The biggest limit to it is that only 8 people can play in a multiplayer match. Warhawk kicks its ass in sheer scale and variety of gameplay.

And for the long term, well hasn't the 360 got a more powerful GPU than the PS3? How will it be able to produce better graphics?

The 360 seems incapable of producing huge high detailed worlds. Most 360 games are a campaign mode with linear maps that "look" big via optical illusion (e.g. GOW, COD, GRAW) + multiplayer on smallish maps.

In contrast Motorstorm and Warhawk have huge outdoor environments. I've yet to see that on the 360 other than in Oblivion, which is a single player game, and I own most of the good 360 games.

[greatdevourer]

Yes, but the problem for Microsoft is that the PS3 is capable of much more than the 360 is. As time passes, the PS3 is going to have games which the 360 cannot technically compete with in terms of graphics and sheer size. Actually, it can. In many ways, the 360's arch is better, including a more powerful graphics processor, shared RAM, faster RAM, faster optical drive, insanely good upscaling chip, and a chip that, while theoretically less powerful, is more powerful in real-world gaming uses, ie, lots of branching randomised code running lots of threads at the same time (something Cell really struggles to do)

[Dagless]

Motorstorm has far better graphics than Forza. End of story.

Motorstorm runs at 60fps in 1080p? :rolleyes:

They could have at least tried to make the environments look good in that game. Sure Forza hasn't got much in the way of environments since it's all race course based. But it looks a lot more realistic to me. Helps that there isn't a frame drop to be found too...

GOW is OK in single player. The multiplayer gets old pretty quickly. The biggest limit to it is that only 8 people can play in a multiplayer match. Warhawk kicks its ass in sheer scale and variety of gameplay.

WTF. We're talking about graphics, nice of you to switch to another topic so abruptly.
GOW has 8 players. Tekken has 2 players. Resistence has 40-odd players (forgot exact number). Half Life 2 supports 64 players. WoW supports countless.
Again... comparing 2 different genres. The gameplay in Smash Bros Melee is better than anything this gen. Half Life 2 has more variety (Garry's Mod anyone?). Yes! I too can drag discussions all over the place without making any point!


The 360 seems incapable of producing huge high detailed worlds. Most 360 games are a campaign mode with linear maps that "look" big via optical illusion (e.g. GOW, COD, GRAW) + multiplayer on smallish maps.

Nice FUD :) really very nice. I mean it's poor, but a good try.
What's exactly limited on a 360? DVD? Say hello to prefabs (used in every game ever) and you can scale a massive RPG like Zelda onto a 1.5gb disc, a huge world like Oblivion onto a DVD9 (and have room to spare). Seriously. Where is your argument here? Even your Warhawk is less than a 1gb...

In contrast Motorstorm and Warhawk have huge outdoor environments. I've yet to see that on the 360 other than in Oblivion, which is a single player game, and I own most of the good 360 games.


To be honest I haven't played many 360 games, but Blue Dragon is ruddy huge. BioShock is a whopper too (at 6gb). Fable 2 is round the corner too.

[APPLEFAN8]

ps3 has better graphics and you don't need to worry about the red ring of death and plus good games r just starting to come out! Plus price drop on 60GB and black 360 is ok but i own a ps3 so of course I'm gonna side with sony.

[Mackilroy]

Uh… APPLEFAN8… the PS3 doesn't have better graphics. Want to know why? Well, first, most multiplatform games are written for the Xbox 360 first, and then ported over to the PS3, thus making the 360 version better because it was the original (this does not include games such as Ninja Gaiden which were rebuilt to look better - besides, that was also an Xbox - not 360 - game). Second, devs have had longer with the 360, so they know how to get more out of it than the PS3.

[stepandy]

Black case, HDMI port, 120gb HDD (also available to buy as an accessory).

It appears that Elite does not include DVD remote :(

[ReanimationLP]

The Elite.

For t3h haloz.

[Old Mac Geezer]

Motorstorm has far better graphics than Forza. End of story.



GOW is OK in single player. The multiplayer gets old pretty quickly. The biggest limit to it is that only 8 people can play in a multiplayer match. Warhawk kicks its ass in sheer scale and variety of gameplay.



The 360 seems incapable of producing huge high detailed worlds. Most 360 games are a campaign mode with linear maps that "look" big via optical illusion (e.g. GOW, COD, GRAW) + multiplayer on smallish maps.

In contrast Motorstorm and Warhawk have huge outdoor environments. I've yet to see that on the 360 other than in Oblivion, which is a single player game, and I own most of the good 360 games.

Wait a minute, first you say the 360 can't produce huge worlds and then you say that Bethesda did it with Oblivion, well if Bethesda can do it, that means it can be done, right? Why are you contradicting yourself?

Oh, and Forza 2 looks better than Gran Turismo 5, oh, wait, that's right GT5 isn't out yet and probably won't be for another year!!

And it's funny how if Motorstorm is so good, why is Sony giving it away for free now? You don't give away your killer games for free, your killer games are what are supposed to make people buy your system. The fact is Sony's killer apps have all been disappointments so far. Lair and Heavenly Sword both stink, as does Resistance. Sony is even selling a bundle in Europe where they are giving away Lair, Heavenly Sword and F1 with each system sold. Resistance was included in an older pack, but that one isn't being sold anymore. Again, if they are such great games, why are they being given away as pack ins?

Sony has eliminated all hardware backward compatibility in the 40gb model and removed part of it in the 80gb model. What happened to backwards compatibility being an important part of the PS3 experience and Sony knocking MS for their partial backward compatibility? So now if you want full backward compatibility without issues you have to buy both a PS3 and a PS2.

Sony's online service can't touch XBox Live and Marketplace. For a system with WiFi built in, you would think Sony would have had a decent online service ready in time for the rollout and yet a year later, it still shows no sign of ever becoming half as good as Live.

1080p games versus 720p. Sony keeps saying they can play games in 1080p, well guess what? Hardly anybody owns a true 1080p tv, so it's useless to 99% of gamers. At normal viewing distances, you can't tell the difference between a 1080p image and a 720p one anyway and there aren't a lot of 1080p games being written because the game publishers know these things. If ESPN HD prefers broadcasting in 720p instead of 1080i/p because they say the images look better for fast action like you see in sports, there must be something to be said for 720p for games, also.

Game publishers also hate programming the Cell processor and it's proprietary memory. Valve farmed out the Orange Box to someone else to translate for PS3 because Gabe Newell couldn't be bothered with it, which is why it was delayed for PS3.

The Blu Ray drive is also slow at data transfer. Bethesda had to put redundant data on the PS3 version of Oblivion so the Blu Ray drive wouldn't have to search the disc whenever it had to load something in or else you wouldn't have been able to move through the world seamlessly.

Sony doesn't care about gamers, either. The PS3 is designed first and foremost as a Blu Ray player. They are sneaking it into households under the guise of a games console. If Sony really cared about gamers, they would have released the PS3 with a DVD9 and a price tag $200 lower from the start. That doesn't matter anymore, though, since the first sub $200 HD-DVD players will be hitting store shelves this Christmas and XBox 360 owners have had one for even longer than that. Blu Ray may have taken a temporary lead in sales, but once those cheap HD-DVD machines start flooding the market, it's going to be over for Sony.

With all the new technology in the PS3, it can't outsell the Wii or even the PS2. As long as the PS3 remains a distant third, game publishers will be reluctant to release games for it, and they certainly won't be releasing any exclusives. We keep hearing rumors about games that are supposed to be PS3 exclusives being released on other platforms, only for them to be denied and resurface again a few weeks later. There must be some truth to them or else they would die once they are proven false. We will most likely see 360 or Wii versions of these games simply because game publishers can't ignore the numbers for very long.

Sony is flailing around wildly like a blind man looking for the exit. Sony is pretty much in trouble on all fronts. They are facing increased competition in all the markets they are in and their quality is slipping while major competitors like Toshiba and Samsung are building up their customer satisfaction levels. Sony had to sell off their CPU plant that produces the Cell processor to raise some desperately needed money to keep the PS3 on the market. They also sold off their joint venture to make LCD screens with Samsung. If PS3 and Blu Ray don't make it, it's going to be hard times for Sony.

So get a 360 and a Wii and pass on the PS3.

[flopticalcube]

Sony is flailing around wildly like a blind man looking for the exit. Sony is pretty much in trouble on all fronts. They are facing increased competition in all the markets they are in and their quality is slipping while major competitors like Toshiba and Samsung are building up their customer satisfaction levels. Sony had to sell off their CPU plant that produces the Cell processor to raise some desperately needed money to keep the PS3 on the market. They also sold off their joint venture to make LCD screens with Samsung. If PS3 and Blu Ray don't make it, it's going to be hard times for Sony.

So get a 360 and a Wii and pass on the PS3.

That's what I did. Wii last year and 360 Elite this year. That and our trusty old PS2. PS3 doesn't offer enough that is "different" for us.

[e²Studios]

FFS, do we need multiple threads that basically cover the same tired topic over and over? I think most of us know each others views on consoles, why does there need to be multiple "DUH WHICH ONE DO I BUY PS3 OR 360?!?!?!" threads?!?!

Recent one
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=4558988#post4558988

I'm sure if you search there are a few more, its all basically the same thing with the same tired trolls and flames. All this one needs is for MosX to join in and the Australian ghetto dawg to chime in!

[Old Mac Geezer]

That's what I did. Wii last year and 360 Elite this year. That and our trusty old PS2. PS3 doesn't offer enough that is "different" for us.

I have both, too, but it was an easier decision for me because at the time the 20gb PS3 was still the cheapest model at $499 and had literally nothing going for it. It was completely stripped if anyone here still remembers it. I also got a $100 rebate from Micro Center which enabled me to get the Pro model instead of the Core. The Wii I got on a lark. I decided to camp Best Buy one night when they announced they would have Wii's and thought there would be a hundred people there when I got there and there wasn't anybody so I stayed up all night and got the Wii and I didn't even want one before that night, but now I love it. Maybe 1 out of every three games I play now is on the Wii. The 40gb PS3 is a better buy than the 20gb, even without hardware based BC, but there really aren't enough games out for it that I would want and their online service still stinks so I would still go with either a 360 Elite for $50 more or a Pro for $50 less if I were buying today. I can't really see myself ever buying a PS3 at this point because if I did buy it, it would be strictly for exclusives as I would still do most of my gaming on the 360 with the Wii as my number 2 and I have the HD DVD player for the 360, so Blu Ray doesn't mean a thing to me. I had a PS2 crap out on me from overuse playing movies, so I play all my movies even DVD's in the HD DVD player so my game console won't die from too many movies. $399 is a lot to pay for a console that isn't going to be your primary system and it's too much to risk playing a lot of Blu Ray movies and having it die. So even though PS2 was my primary with the XBox as my secondary last time, I have to pass on Sony in this generation.

[Taustin Powers]

What the hell is wrong with you people?

You know it is possible to enjoy the console you own without hating and bashing the one you don't own?

Fanboyism makes you look immature and ridiculous, should you wonder. Is it REALLY that important to publicly justify the investment you made, and take sides and campaign for your system like it's a presidential election? You like your system, so play your games, be happy and be done with it.

All three consoles are good systems. See which one has the most exclusive titles you like, and you know which console you will have the most fun with. End of story.

In the meantime, you should be happy and EMBRACE the fact that there are three good systems out there - competition works in your favor.

[Dagless]

There's competition for the Wii?

[Taustin Powers]

There's competition for the Wii?

The Wii is a video game console, just like the xbox and the ps3.

And yes, you can now tell me how it is different in oh so many aspects from the other two.....but in the end it is still a video game console.

[Dagless]

I always thought the PS3 and 360 were competing and the Wii, well, just sat there unquestioned with no price drops, no updates etc. I'd call that competition as much as the Zune or Zen are competing against the iPod.

Aka. Competing for 2nd place.

[diamond.g]

I always thought the PS3 and 360 were competing and the Wii, well, just sat there unquestioned with no price drops, no updates etc. I'd call that competition as much as the Zune or Zen are competing against the iPod.

Aka. Competing for 2nd place.

If the Wii keeps selling at this existing pace, then MS and Sony will be competing for second place.

[Dagless]

They already are. 14 million sold against the 2nd place 360 at 13 million.

[AJsAWiz]

What the hell is wrong with you people?

You know it is possible to enjoy the console you own without hating and bashing the one you don't own?

Fanboyism makes you look immature and ridiculous, should you wonder. Is it REALLY that important to publicly justify the investment you made, and take sides and campaign for your system like it's a presidential election? You like your system, so play your games, be happy and be done with it.

All three consoles are good systems. See which one has the most exclusive titles you like, and you know which console you will have the most fun with. End of story.

In the meantime, you should be happy and EMBRACE the fact that there are three good systems out there - competition works in your favor.

I couldn't have said it better myself . . . Thank You :D

[Dagless]

Thing is, I for one, and probably several people here have been turned off other consoles by their manufacturers. If I wasn't given a PS3 I wouldn't have bought one myself until MGS4 and some other games were out. Hell I can't wait to get my PSP now my original qualms have been dealt with! I'm sure there are slews of people who want X system but are waiting for Y feature or complaining about Z problem.

Don't get "fanboyism" and criticism confused.

I don't think any MR regular here is a fanboy; that is somebody with unjust reasons for hating a system or somebody who can't find faults with their own preference. You need to go round Gamefaqs for that behaviour.

[Agilus]

You know, I used to be concerned that Microsoft was going to come into the industry, stomp it with big money and nasty monopolistic business practices, gain control over it, and ruin it. For that reason, I would not purchase an X-Box (and it could be argued that I was a hater).

However, I haven't been worried about that in a long time. I'd get an X-Box 360, a PSP, and a Playstation 3 if I had the time to play the games. As it is, I don't have enough time to play all my Wii, DS, and PS2 games.

And I might change my mind and buy one of those platforms, assuming they become compelling enough. There's lots of great games and great stories out there for every system. I want to play the Halo series. I want to play Uncharted and the new Ratchet and Clank. They'll just have to wait until I can justify the purchase to myself, or I am compelled beyond reason. :)

[zero2dash]

Thing is, I for one, and probably several people here have been turned off other consoles by their manufacturers. If I wasn't given a PS3 I wouldn't have bought one myself until MGS4 and some other games were out. Hell I can't wait to get my PSP now my original qualms have been dealt with! I'm sure there are slews of people who want X system but are waiting for Y feature or complaining about Z problem.

Don't get "fanboyism" and criticism confused.

I don't think any MR regular here is a fanboy; that is somebody with unjust reasons for hating a system or somebody who can't find faults with their own preference. You need to go round Gamefaqs for that behaviour.

Yep - agreed.
Ps3 is getting its $#!t in gear near the 1yr mark (as if there was any doubt).

360 did the same thing that's why I bought one at the 1yr mark.

Wii I bought when I found one early but now the games are coming I'm a little more excited about owning the system. I'll get SMG one of these days ;)

God I'm going to hate owning all 3 'next gen' systems when I get a Ps3 early next year...*sigh* already hard enough buying games for the systems I already have (360, Wii, Ps2, DS...soon a PSP as well). :eek: What a bunch of disgruntled spoiled brats we are eh :p that's ok though :D

[MacRumorUser]

God I'm going to hate owning all 3 'next gen' systems when I get a Ps3 early next year...*sigh* already hard enough buying games for the systems I already have (360, Wii, Ps2, DS...soon a PSP as well). :eek: What a bunch of disgruntled spoiled brats we are eh :p that's ok though :D

its not the buying of the games, its the time to play them. I'm seriously thinking of getting rid of a console/handheld to slim down the collection because time is just simply not there to enjoy them all.

[Curren~Sea]

This is kind of an old thread but the topic is highly relevant especially during the holiday season when people are choosing gifts. I can offer my perspective as someone who has owned all three major systems: Wii, PS3, 360. As an adult gamer, I greatly prefer the PS3, so much so that I sold my 360. For a family system, the Wii is in a class all its own. It has huge fun factors and is a great system for many many reasons. The Wii is what the rest of my family loves the most.

The reasons why I believe the PS3 is a superior system to the 360 include:

1. Built in high definition dvd player that also upconverts my other dvd's that lookd fantastic on my HD TV. As opposed to the 360 that you have to pay ~150 for the HD player.

2. Built in wifi that includes a free internet service. As opposed to the 360 that you have to pay for the extra wifi and extra for the service.

3. Quiet. The PS3 is whisper quiet when playing games and watching movies. This is a big factor especially watching shows. As opposed to the 360 that is annoyingly loud.

4. PS3 has phenomenal games in every genre that I enjoy. Ask yourself, do you really need 200 games at $50+ each?
No. You need/want a few really good games that you'll spend lots of hours on.

5. PS3 is less expensive for equivalent hardware. You'll save about $100 on the PS3 compared to a similarly configured 360.

6. The PS3 is a much higher quality piece of hardware. The 360 has a 33% failure rate. That is huge! Do you want to take a 1 in 3 chance that you'll be forced to deal with MS and returns and mailing a big box and being without your system for weeks, etc.? The PS3 has around a 1% failure rate. Whichever you buy, I recommend buying from a store that gives you no-hassle refunds for life, like Costco.

I realize everyone has an opinion and these merely reflect mine. But there are good reasons why I came to this decision and you will want to consider the choice carefully.

Nobody knows what the future holds but I am confindent in saying that the PS3 will continue becoming a better value as more and more great games and blu-ray movies come out. And even as it stands Dec 2007, the PS3 is the clear winner in my opinion.

[Dagless]

4. PS3 has phenomenal games in every genre that I enjoy. Ask yourself, do you really need 200 games at $50+ each?
No. You need/want a few really good games that you'll spend lots of hours on.

Just a nit-pick, but this is sorta against what Sony players have been ratting on Nintendo for.

And it's funny you should bring hours into it considering the PS3's games we were supposed to have looked forward to are less than 10 hours long each.

[Curren~Sea]

Just a nit-pick, but this is sorta against what Sony players have been ratting on Nintendo for.
This is a sound principle regardless of the platform. I would venture to say that all of them offer great games for every genre (although I haven't found a solid RPG on the Wii yet). The point is that we really only need a few great games, not lots of mediocre games.

And it's funny you should bring hours into it considering the PS3's games we were supposed to have looked forward to are less than 10 hours long each.
I don't know which games you're referring to. I only became interested in the PS3 a couple of weeks ago and have subsequently logged way more than 10 hours on a couple of games that I know are not near to being done yet. I'll be starting Oblivion on the PS3 soon and I know it'll last me several months with my casual style of gameplay.

[zero2dash]

6. The PS3 is a much higher quality piece of hardware. The 360 has a 33% failure rate. That is huge! Do you want to take a 1 in 3 chance that you'll be forced to deal with MS and returns and mailing a big box and being without your system for weeks, etc.? The PS3 has around a 1% failure rate. Whichever you buy, I recommend buying from a store that gives you no-hassle refunds for life, like Costco.

I won't argue the initial failure rate but what I will argue is that we will see how long Ps3s stand the test of time. Considering that I've went through at least 2 a piece of every Sony home console thus far (owned 2 PSX's, 1 PsOne [still works], 2 PS2's, 1 Ps2 [slim-still works])...we will see how long it is 1% as time goes on. I have no faith in Sony products, I'm sorry. That's not a knock on Sony's brand name vs anyone elses, that's a knock on their reliability. I've went through enough failed or "testy" Sony products of varying degrees (tv's, walkmen, discmen, cd players, dvd players, Playstations, digital cameras, computers) that I have 0% faith in long-term reliability of anything that Sony manufactures these days.

But ~ again - time will tell. I never had any problems with my Xbox, and since being repaired my 360 has been flawless. I've also had 0 problems with the vast assortment of Microsoft hardware I've owned over the years (mice and keyboards) so - if I'm keeping score amidst myself as it pertains to reliability -

Microsoft 1, Sony 0.

[Curren~Sea]

Man, that sucks. I hate it when my stuff breaks and then you have to deal with the service arm of a manufacturer or retailer. What is interesting about your post is how many Sony items you have or have owned. The inference is that Sony makes products that you want. Unfortunately, most pieces of machinery will break or wear out at some point.

Personally, I have had no troubles with Sony products. I have owned a receiver, speakers, walkman, 46" LCD HD TV, and now the PS3. Conversely, I had a Panasonic crt, dvd player and receiver crap out on me. I guess it just comes with the territory. What I have learned is to buy from a retailer that will give me an unconditional money back guarantee, which is why I buy as much as I can from Costco (including my new PS3). As for MS, the pain and suffering they have inflicted upon me by their softwares is quite enough.

Also... time always tells, but nobody can read the future. What we know now is all we know. And we know now that the PS3 has been stable for a year. We also know that the 360 currently has a huge failure rate even on their most recent models (Fall 2007). I appreciate and respect your opinion because I would feel the same way if I had the same experiences that you have had. Matter of fact, my bad experience with Panasonic peripherals made me decide not to buy a Panasonic plasma (I'm happier with a LCD anyway).

[zero2dash]

Well 10 years ago, Sony was one of the few brands that made higher end products for the money (over the cheaper brands like RCA, Philips, Magnavox etc) and I think that was Sony's heyday.

These days, Sony doesn't make much of their own products anymore, it's someone else's job but Sony sticks their brand name on it. (A high end tv sales/repair shop owner friend of mine said that all Sony tvs are now manufactured by Samsung, bought by Sony and then rebranded as a Sony tv.)

Samsung & Toshiba are very respected these days (from what I gather) for their products...a couple other notables being Panasonic and Hitachi. Samsung is like the new Sony with the 1990 Sony reliability, but a cheaper-than-Sony-usually-costs price tag.

Everyone has their own experiences though, no doubt. I'll say it for the umpteenth time - I'll own a Ps3 in 2008. :D sitting right beside my 360, Wii + Ps2 slim (going to have to either reorganize the entertainment center or get a bigger one though LOL :p to fit all that gaming goodness)

[Curren~Sea]

(A high end tv sales/repair shop owner friend of mine said that all Sony tvs are now manufactured by Samsung, bought by Sony and then rebranded as a Sony tv.)
Actually, they have a joint venture and share the same plant and raw materials, but the manufacturing process and the production of the screens and electronics are different. I might have bought a Samsung LCD tv if they had the features I wanted, which include a flat bezel instead of the distracting shiny piano black bezel's that are all the rage these days. I also believe that Sony has different image processing that makes a significant difference in the picture quality. I have a Samsung 19" computer monitor that has been fantastic. I'm certainly not a huge Sony fan but if they provide the cool stuff that I want then I'll buy from them. And coming back to the topic... the PS3 is cool :)

[MacRumorUser]

^ I've had more crap from Apple fail (maybe because I'm a REV1 guinea pig for the most part) than with Microsoft. My 360's are ok and my original 'modded' xbox still works no problem.

Sony wise I went through 2 original playstation's, and 3 PS2's (classic style) and 2 PS2 slim. Not to mention all the other Sony Professional Video hardware that has died or screwed up on us. But so far PS3 seems to be ok.

It's all luck of the draw. Will having bad luck with some hardware suddenly 'jade' me and make me detest a brand.. no! I'm wise enough to realise **** happens.

As with all things it's the follow up support that is important.

[redshift20]

PS3.. all the way!

Not because I hate Microsoft, but because the PS3 is a better system. Also, if history repeats itself, it will have more game selection. Microsoft can keep Halo. :p

[MacRumorUser]

^ Judging by the 2008 Release calendar for both formats, there is very little difference in the amount of games or types of games that both systems will have.

At least 85% of games will remain multi-format

[asxtb]

I never had any problems with my Xbox, and since being repaired my 360 has been flawless.
So you had a perfectly working 360 repaired? ;):D

And it truly is luck of the draw. My brother has a PS1 from 8-9 years ago that works as well as it did the day he got it.

[Dagless]

After a laser replacement our PS1 works like a charm. PS2 needed a replacement laser too. Original Xbox is fine. 360 broke. Every Nintendo console flawless. Broke hinge on DS Lite. No problems with Sega machines at all.

Our original PSP had ghosting problems. Looking at trailers on Youtube it looks like it might have been addressed now.

*phew* :)

Maybe I just take care of my games machines :D hides

[monkeytap]

But ~ again - time will tell. I never had any problems with my Xbox, and since being repaired my 360 has been flawless. I've also had 0 problems with the vast assortment of Microsoft hardware I've owned over the years
Microsoft 1, Sony 0.


hehe, your silly. 33% failure rate....no blu-ray, no wi-fi, micro$oft?

ps3 obvioulsy

[Symtex]

hehe, your silly. 33% failure rate....no blu-ray, no wi-fi, micro$oft?

ps3 obviously

Gears of Wars, Halo 3 , Mass Effect and Bioshock

X360 obviously

[gkarris]

hehe, your silly. 33% failure rate....no blu-ray, no wi-fi, micro$oft?

ps3 obvioulsy

Gears of Wars, Halo 3 , Mass Effect and Bioshock

X360 obviously

Better sports games, 16 directional disc and keypad.

Intellivision - obviously....

Wait! What year is this??? :p

[monkeytap]

Gears of Wars, Halo 3 , Mass Effect and Bioshock

X360 obviously

those are good games....but so is resistance fall of man (beats all of those IMO)

all games are better on a console that doesnt break 33% of the time.

not to mention more advanced consoles with more potential.

[Compile 'em all]

The reasons why I believe the PS3 is a superior system to the 360 include:

1. Built in high definition dvd player that also upconverts my other dvd's that lookd fantastic on my HD TV. As opposed to the 360 that you have to pay ~150 for the HD player.

2. Built in wifi that includes a free internet service. As opposed to the 360 that you have to pay for the extra wifi and extra for the service.

3. Quiet. The PS3 is whisper quiet when playing games and watching movies. This is a big factor especially watching shows. As opposed to the 360 that is annoyingly loud.

4. PS3 has phenomenal games in every genre that I enjoy. Ask yourself, do you really need 200 games at $50+ each?
No. You need/want a few really good games that you'll spend lots of hours on.

5. PS3 is less expensive for equivalent hardware. You'll save about $100 on the PS3 compared to a similarly configured 360.

6. The PS3 is a much higher quality piece of hardware. The 360 has a 33% failure rate. That is huge! Do you want to take a 1 in 3 chance that you'll be forced to deal with MS and returns and mailing a big box and being without your system for weeks, etc.? The PS3 has around a 1% failure rate. Whichever you buy, I recommend buying from a store that gives you no-hassle refunds for life, like Costco.

Nobody knows what the future holds but I am confindent in saying that the PS3 will continue becoming a better value as more and more great games and blu-ray movies come out. And even as it stands Dec 2007, the PS3 is the clear winner in my opinion.

The PS3 is a gaming console, you know, to play games with. If I buy the PS3 now, it means I want to play games on it now. This whole "future-games-for-PS3" mantra is hilarious. As it currently stands, the 360 has an excellent huge library of games NOW and the PS3 has very few. What makes a game console is its games, not because of looking cooler or packing XYZ features.

I have neither a 360 nor a PS3 but I will probably get a 360 when MS gets off their butts and fix the problems that have been plaguing their console.

[Dagless]

those are good games....but so is resistance fall of man (beats all of those IMO)
LOL

all games are better on a console that doesnt break 33% of the time.
How about all games are better with integrated online support, custom soundtracks in any game, messaging ingame etc...
The PS3 needs an update to fix this ASAP.

not to mention more advanced consoles with more potential.
I think you're getting things mixed up here.
The 360 CPU is better at certain tasks, the PS3 CPU also has benefits and cons. One isn't better than the other.
The 360 GPU I believe is also better than the PS3's.
The PS3 has 512mb split 256/256 between system and GPU. The 360 has 512 for system and 10mb of ultra fast eDRAM for the GPU.

The 360 also has, as mentioned, a better online system and the larger market share theoretically means more people playing online. And backwards compatibility, but that doesn't effect modern games.

The PS3's benefit is more storage capacity.

[Curren~Sea]

The PS3 is a gaming console, you know, to play games with. If I buy the PS3 now, it means I want to play games on it now. This whole "future-games-for-PS3" mantra is hilarious. As it currently stands, the 360 has an excellent huge library of games NOW and the PS3 has very few. What makes a game console is its games, not because of looking cooler or packing XYZ features.
No argument that the 360 has more games out right now. But what part of point number four that you quoted was unclear? I guess I just don't understand why you felt compelled to post. Perhaps it's because of the, "Future... PS3... blah blah..." stuff was bugging you, but that was relevant a year ago. Not Dec 2007. Unless a person is gaming 5+ hours every day I don't see how they'll run out of awesome games to play on the PS3. And if a person is gaming 5+ hours every day then there is another whole issue to deal with.

[Curren~Sea]

LOL
I don't doubt what you and others have said about the online stuff. However, my experience with CoD4 online was very fast and easy and fun. I'm looking forward to picking up Warhawk and seeing how that goes. I've heard that UT3 is pretty good. My guess is this is in a large part up to the game developer.

As for graphics, power, etc. Doesn't really matter. If what you see is gorgeous and it loads fast then the hardware is irrelevant. They say that blu-ray can hold more but HD can be double sided so it's kind of moot until games are built that exceed these limits. All I know is that of the few games I've played (and I'll concede that I don't have a huge library) the "latest and greatest" PS3 titles looked much better and were smoother than the "latest and greatest" 360 titles. Again, this is just my opinion from someone who has had both systems.

[Mackilroy]

those are good games....but so is resistance fall of man (beats all of those IMO)

all games are better on a console that doesnt break 33% of the time.

not to mention more advanced consoles with more potential.

Are you making a joke, or are you serious? (kidding, I know you're serious, but you might want to back up your statements instead of using hyperbole and opinion)

All I know is that of the few games I've played (and I'll concede that I don't have a huge library) the "latest and greatest" PS3 titles looked much better and were smoother than the "latest and greatest" 360 titles. Again, this is just my opinion from someone who has had both systems.
Funny, I own both consoles and my experience has been the exact opposite. But this is all anecdotal, no?

[GFLPraxis]

How about all games are better with integrated online support, custom soundtracks in any game, messaging ingame etc...

How about all games are better when you don't have to pay money for those features?

[Symtex]

How about all games are better when you don't have to pay money for those features?

The day Sony will offer the same as Xbox live on PSN I will agree with you. I am awaiting for HOME like a kid in a candy store.

[JackAxe]

The 360 GPU I believe is also better than the PS3's.


I just had to comment on this.

The PS3 RSX is similar to a 7800GTX, if even that, from what I've read. The 360 is basically using a 128 bit variant of a r500, somewhat similar to a X1600XT, but with some added punch.

Unlike the 360's CPU, the PS3's Cell can take on tasks that normally only a GPU would handle, so can assist the PS3's GPU in the purdy department. But the 360's GPU was designed to work with its CPU for extra funky action.

So which one is better? :)


<]=)

[Curren~Sea]

Funny, I own both consoles and my experience has been the exact opposite. But this is all anecdotal, no?
It might be somewhat subjective, yes. It probably also depends on what we're comparing. In my example I judged the graphics of Uncharted to be superior to Mass Effect. I don't think this comparison is subjective. All you have to do is see the character faces to know that ME is very pixelated with many item polygons that are out of place. Uncharted on the other hand looks very natural. Additionally, ME has performance issues that manifest themselves in stuttering and video lag. Uncharted does not have any lag that I have experienced. I also played Ace Combat on the 360 and it looks great. CoD4 on the PS3 looks amazing. Bottom line, however, is there probably is not a significant difference in performance between the two systems. So, performance should not be a factor in the decision making process.

[flopticalcube]

For me the choice was decided by other people. Most of my children's friends already have a 360 and like to play online with each other so a PS3 was not on the cards. The 360 had a full year's advantage to build up the player base on Live and that inertia will be hard to beat, at least amongst my kids' friends.

[kjr39]

So which one is better?

Judging from this thread, whatever one the poster owns...

[GFLPraxis]

The day Sony will offer the same as Xbox live on PSN I will agree with you. I am awaiting for HOME like a kid in a candy store.

TBH I'd rather go without some of those features than pay; messaging in any game and custom soundtracks in any game is not worth the cost of a game per year for me.

[2nyRiggz]

And backwards compatibility


LOL....

We all have different experience with each console dont we...I've had the wii & 360(twice) burn out on me....never the PS2,3,1. Luck of the ol draw.

Yes Live(5 years old service) is better than PSN(1 year) but by all means the PSN is still enjoyable...My main concern is that I can play on lag free servers and its been great so far....I own all the top online multiplayers on the PS3 and have experience nothing but hours of fun.

I'm sure Sony is getting around to all the in-game XMB messaging music stuff and I believe in time things will be up to par.

Once again live is superior in features but PSN is feeling its way through.


Bless

[Antares]

It's always nice to have options but I don't like the concept of "Custom Soundtracks...." I don't get why it's a draw to people. I mean, when I was a kid, I remember friends turning down the music on the tv and cranking up the stereo when we would be playing games at their place. That always annoyed me. And I can sometimes understand this in the days when games were limited to "poor music quality." But not now. Not when music can be composed for a game with all the depth and quality as music for a film. When you have the ability to remove or replace in-game music, you dilute the experience. In fact, you minimize the art and importance of the game, as a whole. A game should be taken as the sum of it's parts. Not just the graphics and play but also the music. In kind, I also never like it when developers "cop-out" and put licensed music into a game (like the Prince of Persia game that had Godsmack in it...or whatever band it was). I don't know where I'm going with this...but when I see "custom soundtracks" mentioned, it really annoys me.

Xbox Live seems pretty good. But, to me, it doesn't justify the cost. If I want to play online, I want to simply have a vehicle to play friends or find strangers to play. That's it. I don't really care about all of the other stuff that Live offers. This is why PSN currently appeals to me more. I think that there should be a version of Live that offers online play for free. Then, offer a Platinum version of Live that has all that extra junk (useless to me but obviously wanted by others) for a price. Essentially, I don't want to pay for something on a console that I can get on a computer for free. That's why I prefer Sony and Nintendo's free model as opposed to Microsoft's "wringing people's neck for money" online model. Downloadable game content is a whole different topic which I'm not going to rant about right now....

[Dagless]

Judging from this thread, whatever one the poster owns...

Not really. I'm 360-less now and have a Wii, PS3, DS and (soon) PSP. But I prefer the 360 at this stage. Or I'd recommend them since I've played all the games I want and now waiting to see which system offers me the best GTA IV experience.

And yes, I LOLLED when Sony took out the b/c completely in Europe. What a move!

[Spanky Deluxe]

Judging from this thread, whatever one the poster owns...

I'll disagree with that. I own a PS3 and imo its pretty sucky as a gaming machine. Its clunky to use and I haven't been impressed with the games. As a gaming machine I'd consider the Xbox 360 a much better piece of kit. However, the Wii is a hell of a lot more fun than either imo.

[Mackilroy]

It might be somewhat subjective, yes. It probably also depends on what we're comparing. In my example I judged the graphics of Uncharted to be superior to Mass Effect. I don't think this comparison is subjective. All you have to do is see the character faces to know that ME is very pixelated with many item polygons that are out of place. Uncharted on the other hand looks very natural. Additionally, ME has performance issues that manifest themselves in stuttering and video lag.

We must be using different copies of Mass Effect. When I play Uncharted it looks far more pixelated than Mass Effect does. Still looks good, but not quite as good. And they both have good performance for me - as in, no stuttering, no lag. *shrugs*

[MacRumorUser]

Xbox Live seems pretty good. But, to me, it doesn't justify the cost. If I want to play online, I want to simply have a vehicle to play friends or find strangers to play. That's it. I don't really care about all of the other stuff that Live offers. This is why PSN currently appeals to me more. I think that there should be a version of Live that offers online play for free. Then, offer a Platinum version of Live that has all that extra junk (useless to me but obviously wanted by others) for a price. Essentially, I don't want to pay for something on a console that I can get on a computer for free. That's why I prefer Sony and Nintendo's free model as opposed to Microsoft's "wringing people's neck for money" online model. Downloadable game content is a whole different topic which I'm not going to rant about right now....

$50 is hardly a mammoth amount, and it provides a great service, which regardless of whether you prefer it to be free or not, is a lot better than both PSN and Wii model.

You are given choices to which kind of environment you wish to game in. If you want to b*tch talk, and be ultra competative - you can do so in the underground section. If you want a more friendly atmosphere, you can choose the family section (which is what I have) and it does work.

You are given responsibility in the form of your REP system, which helps to promote good behaviour. It works to some extent, but could be improved.

Your entire dash is part of live, messaging in game can be helpful. Going to "private chat" via the dash in game is a great sneaky feature and can help your side to victory, especially if you have died but want to pass on help to a comrade who is still playing.

Being able to play a game, see that my friend has just come online, and then send them a request to come and play a game with me. No messing around, they accept the request and jump straight into your lobby. A simple but very practical thing like that is still not feasible on PSN or Wii yet.

Voice chat that works in all games, something which is still screwed up in a lot of PSN games, including the latest UT3. Wii doesn't even have it yet does it ?

Basically LIVE makes gaming online work. There is no messing about. It works intuitively and exactly as it should.

Having all three consoles, I can safely say regardless of the extra cost, LIVE is still the superior online component of all the three.

[Compile 'em all]

It might be somewhat subjective, yes. It probably also depends on what we're comparing. In my example I judged the graphics of Uncharted to be superior to Mass Effect.

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How on earth are you comparing two DIFFERENT games on two different game consoles?!!

[MacRumorUser]

:confused:

How on earth are you comparing two DIFFERENT games on two different game consoles?!!


It's is a little strange, like comparing a honeydew melon to a turnip, and where in I found the honeydew to have a much sweeter taste, when in combination with other ingredients on a plate the turnip provided an attractive side dish.

WHAT THE HELL AM I TALKING ABOUT ? ;):p

Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!

Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? Why would a poster compare two utterly different games and hold them as shining examples of power ? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this 360 Elite or PS3 thread? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this thread! It does not make sense!

Look at me. I'm a graphic designer supposedly at work, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense!



;):D:D

[2nyRiggz]

^But you're just strange so its expected from you;):p



Bless

[Dagless]

Lol :D

To play devils advocate (a rubbish game) - it's possible to compare 2 games like that. You just have to take into account the linearity of the level design (non-linear takes up much more memory in general), the draw distance, use of skyboxes in lieu of volumetric stuff (like Crysis). It's how you can get a game like GoW look all spectacular and explosiony whereas Oblivion and GTA look much less impressive.

I haven't played Mass Effect yet so I can't say. But if Unchartered is grand and non-linear then it could be a fair comparison.

[diamond.g]

Based on Novembers NPD the 360 is where it's at (software)... The lil Wii is a juggernaught.

[zero2dash]

So you had a perfectly working 360 repaired? ;):D

And it truly is luck of the draw. My brother has a PS1 from 8-9 years ago that works as well as it did the day he got it.

Ok let me rephrase that -
aside from the 1 wk my 360 was getting repaired, I have had 0 problems and I love the system. Hell even when it RoD'd I still loved the system and I still do because I have enjoyed it the most (not only lately but it has been the best system to me, in my experiences, over the last few years).

hehe, your silly. 33% failure rate....no blu-ray, no wi-fi, micro$oft?

ps3 obvioulsy

You know what? The fact that you spell Microsoft with a dollar sign just threw your whole opinion out the window IMO. If you're "silly" enough to do childish BS like that, then I refuse to listen to anything else you say. :rolleyes:

But please come back and tell me how Blu-Ray and WiFi are requirements of playing a video game. Or don't, because they're not. :rolleyes:

If you want to be a fanboy be a fanboy on your own time and on forums where people actually care about such juvenile nonsense. :rolleyes:

And BTW ~ if you're really "silly" enough to think that $ony isn't in it to get their own money either then you've got a whole slew of other problems. :rolleyes: (see what I did there? ya it was great wasn't it :cool:)

[Dagless]

Nint£ndo? Doesn't really work does it. It's hard to call them M$ when they're paying billions of them $'s to fix these 360's.

diamond.g - There's no point in posting NDP data anymore. You can predict the order in which the systems will be.

Btw my PSP will be here on the 21st. THE TWENTY FIRST :(damn Paypal and it's "clearing".

[Mackilroy]

I haven't played Mass Effect yet so I can't say. But if Unchartered is grand and non-linear then it could be a fair comparison.

Uncharted is far more linear than Mass Effect, by far. It's also a rather smaller scale, too.