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MacRumors
Jul 27, 2003, 03:20 PM
MacBidouille reports (http://www.hardmac.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=2003-07-27#263) that 7457 production is delaying Powerbook releases until Mid September.



Fender2112
Jul 27, 2003, 03:41 PM
If this is true, we probabley should expect iMacs to be delayed as well. Which is a bit annoying. I've been holding out for the next updates. I guess I'll wait a bit longer. :(

a6rnh
Jul 27, 2003, 03:44 PM
please tell me this is a sick nightmare or something....how long have we been waiting for this????!!

if the 15" has not been released by august 15th i suggest we all storm apple hq and take them ourselves..

and then realize the pb's are not actually stored at apple hq...

and then apologise and clear up the mess...

apple - please make the price VERY competitive and this powerbook....and some free games would be nice!

MasterMac
Jul 27, 2003, 03:49 PM
Man...looks like I won't have much summer left to enjoy these powerbooks before school starts again...

As long as they SHIP before the end of September, that's fine with me. Please don't let me down Apple :(

joephish
Jul 27, 2003, 03:49 PM
Well I'm waiting for a 12" powerbook update... and all the recent rumors have been saying to expect powerbook updates in mid september, so that's what I've been expecting for a while, and this doesn't change anything. I'll be very surprised if Apple doesn't release updates in mid September.

I admit, pretty darn annoying for the 15" people who have been waiting for song long though :-/

DrGonzo
Jul 27, 2003, 03:50 PM
god i'm sick of this BS. apple needs to SAY something instead of keeping everyone on edge. when they finally do let us know what's going on i won't be relieved (unless it's something really awesome), i'll be even more pissed off that they waited that long to tell us something.

cb911
Jul 27, 2003, 04:39 PM
MacBidouille says that it has a reliable source... but then here at MacRumors it's on page 2.;) i guess we can just hope for the best.

alot of people at ThinkSecret forums think that it will be announce/released at Siggraph in the next couple of weeks. but that might just be like me thinking that they will definitely be updated at WWDC.:(


"Tired of that problem, Steve Jobs gives, in private, to Motorola a nickname "scum-a-rola".

LOL :D at least that's something new. scum-a-rola!!

and more good news... G5 PowerBooks could be ready in 6 months with speeds starting at 1.8 & 2GHz!!!

since we've all become so good at waiting... why spend money on another G4... when you can just wait for the G5 PowerBooks.

jzieske
Jul 27, 2003, 05:03 PM
Maybe June - NO
Maybe July - Not yet
Maybe August - ?
Maybe September - ?

Everybody knows that they have to be coming in the near future. But I am beging to think that Apple may not even know.

mstecker
Jul 27, 2003, 05:21 PM
I've been waiting for so long, that I became really tired of waiting.

I had a 12" PowerBook (that I liked very much) that I sold just before the WWDC - because - surely - new laptops were right around the corner. 970 Powerbooks even! Then I bought a 17" Powerbook from Amazon. I figured that, with the 30 day return policy, I could return it if there were substantial MWNY announcements. Unfortunately, I had to send it back just before MWNY to get my refund.

Now, rather than pull the trigger on something that I'll regret (an expensive Powerbook that's about to be updated), I found myself a nice (unused!) 600Mhz ibook for just over $600 on eBay.

I figure it'll hold me over until we FINALLY get new PowerBooks.

The iBook's a real downgrade from the 17" PowerBook that I had sold, but it's better than my windows machine.

praetorian_x
Jul 27, 2003, 05:45 PM
This delay is costing Apple real money now. People going back to school are buying laptops *now*. August would limit the damage, but with a significant loss of possible sales. A September release would not help much, except for those who start *late* in September and are willing to wait, but these are sales Apple would have made anyway.

And with a transition to the g5 coming up perhaps as early as MWSF, I really think that Apple has to be unhappy with Moto over this.

Not that they didn't already have reasons to be upset...

Cheers,
prat

Powerbook G5
Jul 27, 2003, 06:00 PM
Well this would definitely rule out my ability to get a new 15" before school since I leave for school September 1st/2nd. My dad has been saying he wants to buy me a replacement for my aging Lombard, but only during the summer before I go back, so all I can say to this rumor is NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! For the love of God, WHY!?!?!?!?!?!

Dragonneyes
Jul 27, 2003, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by joephish
I admit, pretty darn annoying for the 15" people who have been waiting for song long though :-/

Yes. Much agreed. I've said too much on this topic already to warrent any further aggravation to myself or others.

Abstract
Jul 27, 2003, 06:14 PM
I have always expected the PB's to come out mid-September, not in August like some of you thought.

I don't care when they come out, as long as I get to surf for porn on a G5!!!!

HasanDaddy
Jul 27, 2003, 06:19 PM
MacB has the MOST accurate rumor speculation

they were DEAD RIGHT with the G5 stuff

i believe them --- PB's in Sept

for now, I'm still having a love affair over a 17" I purchased, which is soon to be updated (but I don't care -- I'M IN LOVE!)

sacrilicious
Jul 27, 2003, 06:25 PM
Yeah. Damn lack of summer PowerBook release. So much for going down to my coffee shop and caffeinating while utilizing the wifi. Err, my classes are over by noon. I guess I'm okay.

cubist
Jul 27, 2003, 07:24 PM
Apple should have known this would happen if they picked the 7457 processor from Motorola. No matter how good their chips may sound, Motorola can't deliver.

We've waited so long already, we might as well keep using what we've got until the G5 Powerbooks come out. Put those credit cards away.

Powerbook G5
Jul 27, 2003, 08:00 PM
For the past month I have been trying to convince myself that I'd be happy settling on a G4 when the 15" comes out, but if it is going to take this long, it does look like I will end up with a G5 afterall. By the time the 15 does come out, it will end up with a G5 from how long Motorola is taking.

aryeh
Jul 27, 2003, 08:02 PM
I just hope the 12" has the same specs (i.e. level 3 cache) as the others in the line so that the pro audio world can use it for serious location recording/composing.

pimentoLoaf
Jul 27, 2003, 09:51 PM
Here's a thought... what if the 7457 is just a cover for G5 powerbooks in October or November?

Powerbook G5
Jul 27, 2003, 10:00 PM
At this point I'd be happy if they removed the logicboard and all the parts from the 15" Ti and just transplanted it into an AlBook. I just want a 15" with the new case. I know I may be flamed for this, but I just never did like the look of the Ti model all that much.

robodweeb
Jul 27, 2003, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by a6rnh
if the 15" has not been released by august 15th i suggest we all storm apple hq and take them ourselves..

and I thought I was the only one who entertained such fantasies ...

<sigh>

posting this from a new Toshiba laptop ... only two years until I can start thinking of my next upgrade ... who knows, maybe I'll get used to Winblows ...

robo

Powerbook G5
Jul 27, 2003, 10:14 PM
Be careful, I hear Bill Gates himself broadcasts pro-Windows hidden messages to PC users through the built in microphone... ;-)

robodweeb
Jul 27, 2003, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by praetorian_x
A September release
...
And with a transition to the g5 coming up perhaps as early as MWSF

Who here really believes that Apple will release G5 Powerbooks only 4 months after releasing an upgraded model?

February or March, whenever MacWorld Tokyo is next year, might be easier to swallow but it's also likely that any problems with a transition to a completely new processor could delay G5 PBs ... well, another 6-12 months.

I understand the business value of timing annoucements and keeping information internal to the company for routine businsess, but there comes a time when the uncertainty created by unending silence completely negates any potential value. Apple is well past that time and should be forthcoming about its plans ... alienating its loyal customer base doesn't seem smart when one's market share is shrinking ...

solvs
Jul 27, 2003, 10:38 PM
Wel DUH! This is Moto we're talking about here. New 'Books in late Sept. That's when the rebates end, and there are a couple of trade shows coming up. Minor speed bumps, possible price drops, feature parity.

I try not to get my hopes up too much about these things, and find I am seldom disappointed.

sacrilicious
Jul 27, 2003, 11:24 PM
Since getting involved in the whole rumor culture surrounding Apple releases after being turned into a Switcher (minus the hardware purchase), I've been nothing but disappointed.

ZildjianKX
Jul 27, 2003, 11:28 PM
Originally posted by sacrilicious
Since getting involved in the whole rumor culture surrounding Apple releases after being turned into a Switcher (minus the hardware purchase), I've been nothing but disappointed.

I would like to second that... nothing but dissapointment.

Lyle
Jul 27, 2003, 11:43 PM
I've been away from the internet for a few days (yikes) and so when I saw this headline (PowerBooks Delays), but before I read the text, I thought it might be relevant to what's happened to my recent PowerBook order.

Finally tired of waiting for the mythical update for the 15" PowerBook, I went ahead and placed my order for the current 1 GHz TiBook last Tuesday (July 22). Estimated shipping time, 1-3 days. When the order's status changed to "Open", I was notified that it would ship "on or before" Friday, July 25.

Friday came and went, with no change in status. And you know, of course, that I was checking the Apple Store site every few minutes to see if it had shipped yet. Some time over the weekend (while I was away) they changed the shipping date to "on or before" Wednesday, July 30. So now my imagination goes into overdrive.

They're going to announce something this Tuesday. And they're holding off on my shipment because they're going to bump mine up to the updated model.

And then I read this story, and reality takes hold again. The only reason that my TiBook's shipment has been delayed a few additional days is because stuff happens. They're not going to announce an update on Tuesday.

I don't guess I have a point. Just anxiously awaiting my new notebook, whatever it's going to be. But Steve, if you're reading this, I am still open to you guys sending me the updated PowerBook if that works out for this Tuesday ;)

crees!
Jul 27, 2003, 11:59 PM
I just saw Thievery Corporation (they were okay) and one of the DJs had a 15" Ti PB. Made me think what the hell am I waiting for????

tizza
Jul 28, 2003, 12:28 AM
Well I guess the bright side of these long PB delays is that it must mean we are getting far more than just speedbumps to the 12'' and 17'' ... ok so I'm not seriously expecting G5 PB's, but SOMETHING nice ... but SOON please Mr Jobs??? ;)

sacrilicious
Jul 28, 2003, 01:12 AM
Originally posted by crees!
I just saw Thievery Corporation (they were okay) and one of the DJs had a 15" Ti PB. Made me think what the hell am I waiting for????

Everyone plays on a TiBook! That's part of the reason I'm getting one; it's a professional grade machine with an audio in and out. If I don't do any other "DJing" with it, it'll make recording my mixes a lot easier :cool:

ZildjianKX
Jul 28, 2003, 02:18 AM
So is there a realistic chance that the new 15" PB might ship with Panther installed on it, since its taking so damn long?

BenRoethig
Jul 28, 2003, 03:00 AM
Originally posted by a6rnh
please tell me this is a sick nightmare or something....how long have we been waiting for this????!!

if the 15" has not been released by august 15th i suggest we all storm apple hq and take them ourselves..

and then realize the pb's are not actually stored at apple hq...

and then apologise and clear up the mess...

apple - please make the price VERY competitive and this powerbook....and some free games would be nice!

And you expect Apple to do what, get even more mad at Motorola over this? They can't do a whole lot when the chip supplier hasn't made any of the chips. A laptop isn't much good if it doesn't have a CPU.

the future
Jul 28, 2003, 04:12 AM
Originally posted by sacrilicious
Since getting involved in the whole rumor culture surrounding Apple releases after being turned into a Switcher (minus the hardware purchase), I've been nothing but disappointed.

You were disappointed by the Power Mac G5? You must be very hard to please...

jacg
Jul 28, 2003, 04:55 AM
40% faster

100% too late

I'm going to wait for something with a G5 in it. Whichever comes first: iMac or PB.

Hurry up Apple. Watching the spinning blob of death is killing me.

AppleMatt
Jul 28, 2003, 05:23 AM
I bet really Steve's reading these forums on his new 15" PowerBook having a chuckle at us. Then as soon as the PowerBook rumors stop...BAM! He releases them.

Maybe I'm just sick of PB rumors :wink:

Originally posted by sacrilicious
Since getting involved in the whole rumor culture surrounding Apple releases after being turned into a Switcher (minus the hardware purchase), I've been nothing but disappointed.

Once you're in...there's no getting out! (evil laugh)

AppleMatt

Bascule
Jul 28, 2003, 05:23 AM
Argh this is in-humane.

I can see Apples quandry, if they tell about the new models then people may not buy any of the current PB's but on the other hand a _lot_ of people know they are comming and are waiting anyway.

I think Apple should just release the specs (and prices) then people can make up there minds if they want to wait or not.

A reseller I spoke to on Saturday even agreed with me when I said that if I decided to go for the 15" inch id wait for the new models.

Please end this madness,

mpowell77
Jul 28, 2003, 05:24 AM
With the new PB's the thing I would love to see obove everything is a pc card slot on the 12 inch. Or even more interesting something in the ultra light, somewhere around 3.0-3.5 pounds. I'm shocked apple hasn't already done somehting around that. The only reason i own a pc is so I can bring it everywhere. I mean my PB is light but not as light as my 2.8 pound pc(running linux).

Webdog
Jul 28, 2003, 05:35 AM
All I ever read here is why Apple should hurry up with new models. Be happy with what you've got. Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither are new computers and the technology associated with them.

sacrilicious
Jul 28, 2003, 05:49 AM
Originally posted by the future
You were disappointed by the Power Mac G5? You must be very hard to please...

It's great, minus the ugliness, but I'm not in the market for a desktop. "Apple Macintosh" anagrams itself into "Laptop machines."

I don't expect Apple to update its products monthy or even quarterly, but it has been more than two hundred days since the release of the old PowerBook and I have the belief that computers are regularly reintroduced with new features.

AppleMatt
Jul 28, 2003, 05:54 AM
Originally posted by Webdog
All I ever read here is why Apple should hurry up with new models. Be happy with what you've got. Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither are new computers and the technology associated with them.

Actually common mis-conception that, they had very advanced powertools back then :D

It seems this time that it's not Apple's fault (gasp), but still, they're coming when they're coming. Us moaning won't help. If we didn't know about these rumor sites we wouldn't have a clue about it anyway.

AppleMatt

gadg
Jul 28, 2003, 06:54 AM
Originally posted by sacrilicious:Since getting involved (..), I've been nothing but disappointed.Reply posted by ZildjianKX:I would like to second that... nothing but dissapointment

You know what, so do I. Through a friend I was introduced to the wonders of OS X just as I figured I should get a new laptop computer. I decided 'this is too cool to pass up, let's buy a Powerbook'.

But hang on a second, how will it sync with my new purchase: the Sony Ericsson P800 .... well, it wont. But with the new iSync, it will! ... is what they promised me. So I decided to hold on for a while. And then the new iSync came and it supports the P800 ... half-heartedly, the rest is 'coming soon'. Okay, that sucks ... hmm, will it sync with Entourage? Because it's marketed as syncing everything with everything, but it doesnt really. So no, Entourage doesnt work either. Hmpf. So I'm still waiting for the iSync update to work properly with what I would like.

And while I'm waiting for that, I start reading up on Mac issues ... still somewhat excited about the move to the World of Mac ... just because I like to come prepared. And then I find that the Powerbooks are being pushed forward. For god knows how long now! And now the rumors are 'mid september' ... what!!?!

To top it all off ... there is a new release of the OS coming. Oh goodie, more things to wait for.

I know that at some point I'm going to have to make the jump to actually go ahead and buy things. But thus far, this whole Mac thing has been a big disappointment for me. No wonder they deleted the Switch ad's from the website, they must be giving up on the campaign actually resulting into anything :p

towson80
Jul 28, 2003, 09:20 AM
http://reviews.cnet.com/Alienware_Area_51m_Sentia/4505-3122_7-30460807.html

Looks good... though an inch less screen than 15pb. Meh... it will probably be released before the new 15. If so, Alienware gets my $.

praetorian_x
Jul 28, 2003, 09:27 AM
Originally posted by robodweeb
Who here really believes that Apple will release G5 Powerbooks only 4 months after releasing an upgraded model?


Who here didn't think that a 15 inch upgrade to the Al form factor was going to occur soon after the release of the 12 inch and 17 inch.

If this story is correct, I would bet that Steve is hopping mad at Moto, and will be pushing IBM chips into pb's ASAP. Now, when ASAP is, I'm not sure...

MWSF g5 pbs is not outside the realm of possibility however, in my opinion. But I also bought MacWhispers g5-pbs-in-july story hook line and sinker, so perhaps my opinion isn't worth much... : - /

Cheers,
prat

macnews
Jul 28, 2003, 09:28 AM
When all the rumors were flying around before WWDC, I said what Apple should do is release an updated case no speed bump required. This would accomplish 2 tasks:

1. It would satisfy part of the crowd who wanted an update and keep sales moving - esp for back to school. The crowd that wouldn't be happy with no speed bump would bitch and moan anyway because it wouldn't be a G5 so no big loss. It also keeps people guessing by "resetting" the update rumor clock back to zero.

2. It sets Apple up to look good by announcing a speed bump later in August or Sept. Yes, this would piss of some people that just bought their PB's back in June but those same people will also be pissed that they don't have a G5 when it is announced. Products get updated in the tech world quickly (though not always in Apple's case) so most of us come to expect we will not always have the latest and greatest just three months after we buy it.

Both points would have even provided more benefits and better customer relations if they had been done back in Jan or March or May. Please don't tell me hind sight is 20-20. I was saying this (along with some others) back in March-June.

Originally posted by gadg
And then the new iSync came and it supports the P800 ... half-heartedly, the rest is 'coming soon'. Okay, that sucks ... hmm, will it sync with Entourage? Because it's marketed as syncing everything with everything, but it doesnt really. So no, Entourage doesnt work either.

What do you mean by "work" w/entourage? Getting iSync to sync w/your phone or a PDA? I use entourage to sync with my palm and it works fine. I can't speak to syncing with a phone though.

BTW gadg (and other switchers/potential switchers) - you need to just take the plunge. You could play the same waiting for the next update in the PC world too. I will give you the 15" PB is long over due and not something you would normally find in the PC side of things. But, the ibooks, imacs, towers, other PB are all great computers. If you have to have some features in the 15" PB but didn't want buy because it would be updated - well look how long you would have been using your 15" if you would have bought months ago.

jzieske
Jul 28, 2003, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by mpowell77
With the new PB's the thing I would love to see obove everything is a pc card slot on the 12 inch.

That would be nice and L3 cache. Oh one more thing, bump the resolution to something higher than 1024x768.

FlamDrag
Jul 28, 2003, 11:53 AM
For those of you insisting that the delays are killing sales for back-to-school folks, you have to realize that much (no data to specify numbers) of the mac buying public out there don't read rumor sites and have no clue what's happening.
Rather, what's NOT happening.

So, temper your...temper...or provide data to back up your claim. I'm sure that all of your friends know all the juicy mac gossip, but you're dealing with a flawed data set there.

G5 Powerbooks - don't hold your breath.

That said, for those rumor-mongers who are paying attention to the long dealy in 15" updates, I feel sorry for you. I really do. Especially if you NEED a machine soon.

illumin8
Jul 28, 2003, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by praetorian_x
This delay is costing Apple real money now. People going back to school are buying laptops *now*. August would limit the damage, but with a significant loss of possible sales. A September release would not help much, except for those who start *late* in September and are willing to wait, but these are sales Apple would have made anyway.
I completely agree. With all of the production delays and problems in getting the 15" PB updated (rumors that heat dissipation problems prevented release in January, and now rumors of Mot delaying it further), I am amazed at the sheer audacity of Apple refusing to even offer their customers some information.

I am completely amazed that Apple still sticks by their guns with the "no future product announcements" policy. At this point, they are losing back-to-school product sales to the Dells of the world, where if they would just announce that "hey, we're having problems getting parts for the new Powerbooks, but trust us, it'll be worth the wait," people would probably wait. It's all of this keeping their customers in the dark that is causing Apple to lose sales.

Steve Jobs and his reality distortion field is sometimes very bad for business.

illumin8
Jul 28, 2003, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by Powerbook G5
Be careful, I hear Bill Gates himself broadcasts pro-Windows hidden messages to PC users through the built in microphone... ;-)
Careful! I hear Steve Jobs broadcasts hidden messages to Apple users through the lens of the iSight camera! ;)

And you know how everything in Aqua was lickable? Please don't lick the widgets, they're laced with LSD! :D

illumin8
Jul 28, 2003, 12:15 PM
Originally posted by sacrilicious
Everyone plays on a TiBook! That's part of the reason I'm getting one; it's a professional grade machine with an audio in and out. If I don't do any other "DJing" with it, it'll make recording my mixes a lot easier :cool:
Hehe... BT just came in concert here (for those that don't know who he is, he's one of the best Trance producers in the world, and contributed music to the Steve Jobs keynote at WWDC for the bakeoff between Logic Audio on the G5 and Cubase on the PC). Anyway, his show was called "Laptop Symphony", and yeah, it was all run from a TiBook (with a boatload of outboard MIDI gear of course). He mentioned in one of his interviews that he composes quite a bit of music on his TiBook when he's away from the PowerMac G4 in the studio.

Plutoniq
Jul 28, 2003, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by sacrilicious
Everyone plays on a TiBook! That's part of the reason I'm getting one; it's a professional grade machine with an audio in and out. If I don't do any other "DJing" with it, it'll make recording my mixes a lot easier :cool:

You'd be suprised how old and ****ty a Powerbook can be and yet still make a great audio production machine. My second Powerbook was a 250mhz G3 (Kanga). Right before i sold it, i did some tests with Logic Audio on it. I was able to;

-Record & playback over 24 Tracks of audio
-Assign a multi-band EQ to each track (24 eq's)
-8 additional Compressors

At this point i was up to about 85% CPU saturation, but it still ran solid without a hiccup.

All this is to say that Powerbooks have for a long time been able to be good audio production machines. Not only that, but I think you'd be equally satisfied with makin' music on an Ibook, the G3 is, and has always been a very worthy processor for audio on a Mac.

p9

sacrilicious
Jul 28, 2003, 12:29 PM
Don't forget he's using the 17" in the PowerBook introduction video. :D

jaedreth
Jul 28, 2003, 12:52 PM
You think Apple is letting you down?

Why did Steve nickname Motorola Scum-o-rola?

It's Motorola's botch-ups with the G4's that have kept us in this mess for so long.

The logic boards for having a G5 powerbook is about 6 months away (better than I thought, I was estimating a year). So Apple will have to go with PowerBook G4's from Motorola, and right now, late September looks like the earliest.

Problem is: Motorola could **** up again. And probably will given their track record.

And Apple is getting pissed. This was supposed to be their Year of the Notebook.

Please don't focus your anger on Apple, the chips should have been in production volume in *MAY*. This means we would have had the new PowerBooks announced at the June WWDC, and shipping in July. Motorola f'ed that up. And they are ***** up again.

However, there is a silver lining:

Steve is getting so pissed with Motorola, that he will do what it takes to make this round of revisions the last one that uses Motorola processors period, even if it means 6 months til the next revision. Which means all products will either go G5 or G3 1GHz+ (IBM).

Support Apple, and keep in mind that Scumorola is the one bending you over a barrel. By now, you could have had your new 15" in your hands already, if they kept their original schedule.

Jaedreth

Capt Underpants
Jul 28, 2003, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by DrGonzo
god i'm sick of this BS. apple needs to SAY something instead of keeping everyone on edge. when they finally do let us know what's going on i won't be relieved (unless it's something really awesome), i'll be even more pissed off that they waited that long to tell us something.

If they say,"we will be updating them in mid-september", nobody will buy one between now and then. Why would they announce Powerbooks now? Why should they? Unless they can be immediately available, I don't think Apple will announce them.

Flowbee
Jul 28, 2003, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by Capt Underpants
If they say,"we will be updating them in mid-september", nobody will buy one between now and then. Why would they announce Powerbooks now? Why should they? Unless they can be immediately available, I don't think Apple will announce them.

Agreed. And the recent change in education pricing further indicates that they're trying to clear inventory.

robodweeb
Jul 28, 2003, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by Flowbee
Agreed. And the recent change in education pricing further indicates that they're trying to clear inventory.

If, after months of lowered prices, Apple still has inventory to clear, then *few* are buying Powerbooks now and an announcement wouldn't hurt much. On the other hand, it could give folks the leverage to avoid having to switch to PC to get a current model laptop (as I had to do ... if I'd had any word from Apple, my lab could've stalled until September ... it's the uncertainty that kills).

SiliconAddict
Jul 28, 2003, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by praetorian_x
If this story is correct, I would bet that Steve is hopping mad at Moto, and will be pushing IBM chips into pb's ASAP. Now, when ASAP is, I'm not sure...


See something like this would scare the pi$$ out of me. The LAST thing we want is a product rushed to market. Rushing = mistakes = defective hardware = Me not being happy with my first Apple laptop :-P


Is this a letdown? DUH. But honestly I wasn’t looking for Apple to release another G4 anyways. I want the brass ring. A G5 based 17” PowerBook. I’ve already got a grand and a half saved up. By next spring I might be able to pay off the laptop in full at the time of purchase and get a nice down payment on a 23” cinema display Mmmmm wide screen goodness.

DrGonzo
Jul 28, 2003, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by Capt Underpants
If they say,"we will be updating them in mid-september", nobody will buy one between now and then. Why would they announce Powerbooks now? Why should they? Unless they can be immediately available, I don't think Apple will announce them.

Somebody will buy them, someone that needs/wants a laptop now, or people that really don't listen to the 'rumor mill' either are more or less totally clueless. Unless they can be immediately available? What's this? G5? Huh? Oh it'll still be another month before g5's start coming around, yet they were announced. I'm sure there are still people buying the g4's. They SHOULD announce them now because there are people who are going to wait for the new revision and it won't matter so what's the harm in releasing specs/date now?

jaedreth
Jul 28, 2003, 05:42 PM
Apple is not going to announce anything that isn't in production.

Again, we would have them in our grubby little hands had Moto not bent us over...

Apple will likely announce them at Apple Expo still, unless Moto f's up so bad, that the powerbooks still aren't in production by then. However, for that to happen, Moto would have to f' up pretty bad. Not that they haven't already.

Keep in mind, it's still going to take 6 months *minimum* for Apple to make a PowerBook G5 simply due to the proper logic boards not being available until then. Which means that if all else goes as planned, we might see them by January.

But not sooner.

So worst case scenario, Steve's gonna be enraged that Moto ruined "the year of the notebook", cost Apple tons of edu sales and quarterly sales, and the new powerbooks may not ship until October or November if Moto screws up bad again. By which point, Apple will cut their losses, cancel the project, and then just work extra hard on the G5 powerbook to try to make it up to its loyal customers, and sue Motorola for breach of contract and lost revenues, kick it out of the AIM license (which Apple *does* have the authority to do by the terms of the license)...

If I'm gonna have to wait until September or perhaps October, I'm just gonna wait til January. Steve would have to make a detraction about this year being the year of the notebook, and then make the same claim next year, and then deliver with a bang...


Of course that's worst case.

Jaedreth

mstecker
Jul 28, 2003, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by jaedreth
A... Steve would have to make a detraction about this year being the year of the notebook, and then make the same claim next year, and then deliver with a bang...



This "Year of the Notebook" comment has possibly been the most misinterpreted claim of all time. It meant that this was the year that people were going to buy a lot of notebooks (which has proven to be true), not that "This would be the year that Apple released new notebooks every month".

Even purely looking on the hardware front, I think that the intro of the 12" and 17" pb alone could make the "year of the laptop" claim pass muster.

ogun7
Jul 28, 2003, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by mstecker
Even purely looking on the hardware front, I think that the intro of the 12" and 17" pb alone could make the "year of the laptop" claim pass muster.

I'm typing this from my 12.1 incher I got 3 weeks ago, and its HOT!!!
I get all the cool comments across the street from work (Verizon) in the WiFi cloud in Bryant Park. Plus, I shut up all the PC weenies at work when I open it up, show them the features (BT, WiFi, DVD burn) then tell them I paid $1750.

This IS the year of the laptop. It beats the 550MHz Ti I bought my girlfriend.

This is small and portable enough for NYC and Tokyo, but has the features the iBook lacks.

jaedreth
Jul 28, 2003, 09:50 PM
You're right there, MStecker.

Steve is a Visionary and he has seen the trends to come.

He knew this would be the year that Notebooks start being favored over Desktops, because they are finally getting powerful enough to do most things. You only need one workhorse at home to do all the high end stuff, but I'm sure every one in the family wants their own portable.

And it was a fabulous release, back in January. The 12" and 17" are awesome computers. However, Apple had more planned for us, more bang and shock and awe, and now Motorola has f'ed it up.

The PC market is taking advantage of Motorola having Apple over a barrel. I see new designs announced on TheRegister constantly for the latest PC, and their specs are totally kicking Apple's aging product line... Doesn't mean their support, service, and quality of product are anywhere near Apple's, they aren't.

However, PC users don't know/care about that, they want it cheap. And they want it fully loaded. And I've seen plenty of notebooks that are cheaper than ours that have features ours don't. We still have other features they don't have, period, but for the most part, PC users don't really care about that...

Just like black entertainers like the Jackson 5 back in their day, they had to be profoundly better than their white counterparts to even be noticed, let alone recognized or accepted. I'm not a Michael Jackson fan, but at the time, they did turn a lot of heads.

The same goes for Apple. The entire industry is tainted against Apple, and Apple has to do better than the competition at a lower cost to even be noticed, and Motorola is majorly ***** Apple's plans.

I'm using a Dell running WinXPPro right now, and believe me, I wish I was at home using my iBook (16 VRAM) running 10.2.6.

It's my only Mac. And it will be until I can get myself a G5. I will wait for G5. However, I'd rather have another portable.

Jaedreth

jbomber
Jul 28, 2003, 11:48 PM
Originally posted by illumin8
I completely agree. With all of the production delays and problems in getting the 15" PB updated (rumors that heat dissipation problems prevented release in January, and now rumors of Mot delaying it further), I am amazed at the sheer audacity of Apple refusing to even offer their customers some information.

I am completely amazed that Apple still sticks by their guns with the "no future product announcements" policy. At this point, they are losing back-to-school product sales to the Dells of the world, where if they would just announce that "hey, we're having problems getting parts for the new Powerbooks, but trust us, it'll be worth the wait," people would probably wait. It's all of this keeping their customers in the dark that is causing Apple to lose sales.

Steve Jobs and his reality distortion field is sometimes very bad for business.

Maybe apple hasn't said that because they can't guarantee anything about the new books. There's no telling when or even if motorola can get things sorted out in a reasonable time. It certainly doesn't look like it. And as for G5 powerbooks... sorry guys, it's simply not going to happen as soon as everyone thinks. january? no. next july? MAYBE. That's the best case scenario. remember, there aren't even sufficient chips yet to satisfy orders of G5 desktops which were introduced over a month ago....

e-coli
Jul 29, 2003, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by jaedreth
Why did Steve nickname Motorola Scum-o-rola?

...

Steve is getting so pissed with Motorola, that he will do what it takes to make this round of revisions the last one that uses Motorola processors period, even if it means 6 months til the next revision. Which means all products will either go G5 or G3 1GHz+ (IBM).

ahem....

And how, if you don't mind me asking, do you know all this "Steve" info?

Sounds like a fantasy to me. :rolleyes:

crees!
Jul 29, 2003, 12:47 PM
Well just think about it this way. By the time the new 15" PB's come out they'll be on their 1st, or maybe 2nd revision. :D :D :D

FusionMachine
Jul 29, 2003, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by Plutoniq
Not only that, but I think you'd be equally satisfied with makin' music on an Ibook, the G3 is, and has always been a very worthy processor for audio on a Mac.


The guy from Fischerspooner swears by his G3 iBook. I'm pretty sure he's done almost every Fischerspooner song with it.

sacrilicious
Jul 30, 2003, 05:40 AM
Originally posted by crees!
Well just think about it this way. By the time the new 15" PB's come out they'll be on their 1st, or maybe 2nd revision. :D :D :D

Hurray! Didn't think about that.

Capt Underpants
Jul 30, 2003, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by DrGonzo
Somebody will buy them, someone that needs/wants a laptop now, or people that really don't listen to the 'rumor mill' either are more or less totally clueless. Unless they can be immediately available? What's this? G5? Huh? Oh it'll still be another month before g5's start coming around, yet they were announced. I'm sure there are still people buying the g4's. They SHOULD announce them now because there are people who are going to wait for the new revision and it won't matter so what's the harm in releasing specs/date now?

It is a totally different matter with the G5. If Apple announces faster powerbooks while it is still selling slower powerbooks, no one will buy the already outdated Powerbooks. (duh). The New Powermacs are a totally new architecture. Completely different scenario. Lets say Apple announces that the current G5 line will be replaced, a month after release with a line that goes like this: low end: 1.8, Middle, 2.0, High, 2.2. Almost everyone would wait to buy the new (lower priced) 1.8 GHz machines instead of buying a 1.6 GHz machine now and getting a machine that will be EOL'd in a month. And BTW, people are buying the G4's because they don't need the power of the G5, and the prices are lower. Therefore, I guess we can agree to disagree. :p

-Capt Underpants