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obeygiant
Jul 28, 2007, 10:31 AM
"Blade Runner" returns, definitively
Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:20AM EDT

"Blade Runner: The Final Cut" will get a brief theatrical run in Los Angeles and New York, beginning October 5, before its December 18 DVD release through Warner Home Video.

Scott went back into postproduction to complete the new version of the film, which has been restored and remastered from original elements and contains never-before-seen and extended scenes. The film also includes new and improved special effects, director and filmmaker commentary and an all-new Dolby Digital audio track. Three DVD editions are coming to stores, in two-, four- and five-disc configurations.reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/filmNews/idUSN2638565120070726)


YT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_hYs1jBy8Y) link to the trailer.

I thought the Directors Cut was pretty good. I can't imagine what they'd do to a new cut. i can actually.

telecomm
Jul 28, 2007, 11:13 AM
Soo... what exactly is new in that trailer, aside from the updated font for "Blade Runner"? And how many more of these can we expect? :rolleyes: Did he manage to get it right this time?

Dagless
Jul 28, 2007, 11:18 AM
Spooky. I just realised a few days ago that I haven't seen Blade Runner yet. I'll be waiting for this now.

DAC47
Jul 28, 2007, 11:20 AM
December 18
Three guesses what I'm getting for Xmas then

I hope Mark Kermode's "Edge of Blade Runner" Documentary is included somewhere on the discs

More details

link (http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/br2007/announce.html)

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/br2007/bladerunner5discultimatedvd.jpg

Keebler
Jul 28, 2007, 02:53 PM
WOW! while i'm a huge fan of BR, did Scott go to the Lucasarts school of overmarketing-and-continous-money-grabbing???

honestly, ANOTHER verion? wtf...

it never ends....

but of course, i'll half-fall victim to the scheme and end up renting it.. :)

Counterfit
Jul 28, 2007, 02:56 PM
Figures, I "just" got the real Director's Cut for my birthday. But it seems all I really want is the nifty package, the documentary, and the 5.1 audio.

telecomm
Jul 28, 2007, 03:46 PM
WOW! while i'm a huge fan of BR, did Scott go to the Lucasarts school of overmarketing-and-continous-money-grabbing???

honestly, ANOTHER verion? wtf...

it never ends....

but of course, i'll half-fall victim to the scheme and end up renting it.. :)

Exactly. But I'll probably go out and buy it (the cheapest version) anyway.:o

Such a cool movie.

Lord Blackadder
Jul 28, 2007, 04:50 PM
A side effect of the DVD era has been the proliferation of "Director's Cuts" and "Special Editions", many of which consist of nothing more than fancy packaging or crappy commentary track...only to be followed by "Final Cuts" or "Ultimate Editions".

I haven't seen Blade Runner yet, so should I get the original theatrical cut, the Special Edition, the Ultimate Final Cut, or the boxed set with the puffy shirt? (maybe I'm confusing that last one with Seinfeld:rolleyes:).

Blue Velvet
Jul 28, 2007, 04:55 PM
I haven't seen Blade Runner yet, so should I get the original theatrical cut, the Special Edition, the Ultimate Final Cut, or the boxed set with the puffy shirt? (maybe I'm confusing that last one with Seinfeld:rolleyes:).


I understand the cynicism but in this case, given the film's history, it's forgivable. The theatrical release was compromised by studio meddling. See the Director's Cut or the Final Cut.

The 1982 American and European theatrical versions released by the studio included a "happy ending" (using stock footage from Stanley Kubrick's The Shining) and a voice-over added at the request of studio executives during post-production after test audience members indicated difficulty understanding the film.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade_Runner#Versions

Counterfit
Jul 29, 2007, 02:01 AM
The most recent Director's Cut of Blade Runner (out of the three or so I think there have been) is the only one that Ridley Scott actually had a hand in, so it's the way it should be.

telecomm
Jul 29, 2007, 02:30 AM
The most recent Director's Cut of Blade Runner (out of the three or so I think there have been) is the only one that Ridley Scott actually had a hand in, so it's the way it should be.

Wow, hadn't realized that. At least it's better than the original theatrical release. :D

Blue Velvet
Jul 29, 2007, 03:53 AM
The most recent Director's Cut of Blade Runner (out of the three or so I think there have been) is the only one that Ridley Scott actually had a hand in, so it's the way it should be.


Scott has since complained that time and money constraints, along with his obligation to Thelma & Louise, kept him from retooling the film in a completely satisfactory manner. While he is happier than before with the 1992 release of the film, he has never felt entirely comfortable with it as his definitive Director's Cut.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade_Runner#Versions

Mitthrawnuruodo
Jul 29, 2007, 04:04 AM
Nah... one of the main problems with the so-called Director's cut (the DVD version) is that even though the voice over has been removed, many of the scenes where there were long voice overs hasn't been edited, so, IMO, there's a couple of unnaturally long pauses here and there making it a bit odd to watch. Hopefully a few of those may be tightened a bit on an ultimate ( :rolleyes: ) release...

telecomm
Jul 29, 2007, 04:36 AM
Nah... one of the main problems with the so-called Director's cut (the DVD version) is that even though the voice over has been removed, many of the scenes where there were long voice overs hasn't been edited, so, IMO, there's a couple of unnaturally long pauses here and there making it a bit odd to watch. Hopefully a few of those may be tightened a bit on an ultimate ( :rolleyes: ) release...

Hmmm... some of the long shots over the cityscape are particularly effective, I hope those aren't shortened.

Mitthrawnuruodo
Jul 29, 2007, 04:43 AM
Hmmm... some of the long shots over the cityscape are particularly effective, I hope those aren't shortened.I like those (and I don't think there was much talking over those, but it's been a while since I saw the "original"**), I'm thinking more the places where there are long pauses in the dialogue where the voiceover used to "explain" something...


** must dig out the old VHS tape... and VCR... ;)

Lord Blackadder
Jul 29, 2007, 07:24 AM
I understand the cynicism but in this case, given the film's history, it's forgivable. The theatrical release was compromised by studio meddling. See the Director's Cut or the Final Cut.

Excellent, that's what I wanted to know. I'd like to see it first as the producer/director meant it to be seen, and then (if I'm interested), take a look at the the other versions.

That "happy ending" part is just the kind of crap that represents the very worst of Hollywood.

obeygiant
Jul 29, 2007, 02:27 PM
Nah... one of the main problems with the so-called Director's cut (the DVD version) is that even though the voice over has been removed, many of the scenes where there were long voice overs hasn't been edited, so, IMO, there's a couple of unnaturally long pauses here and there making it a bit odd to watch. Hopefully a few of those may be tightened a bit on an ultimate ( :rolleyes: ) release...

I hear ya on the long pauses. But I think the pauses are good because as a viewer it gives me time to drink in what I'm looking at and make my own inferences. Like when he's waiting for a spot at the noodle shop before he meets Gaff, the trip to the police station, and right before he meets Bryant. I hope they don't touch those parts.

One part I wish they'd fix is when Dekker goes to the Snake Dealer and pressures him for who bought the snake. The audio doesn't match right there and the scene seems a little turnicated.

Also the slow-mo of Zhora crashing thru the glass after she gets shot. The person is obviously a stunt-man with a wig on. I really don't expect them to re-do that part however.

There is a shot of Roy Batty in the beginning before he goes to "eye-world" where its taken from the scene where he encounters Tyrell. The film is just 'flipped' to match a look direction. It seems they could use another shot IMO.

One of the most beautifully photographed films if I do say so. Jordan Cronenweth was one of the best ever. His son, Jeff, shot Fight Club, and One Hour Photo.

stainlessliquid
Jul 29, 2007, 03:46 PM
This provides hope that theyll release it in Bluray... This has always been my top choice for a movie in HD, by far. I just hope the "added special effects" arent lame and unnecessary like the ridiculous Special Edition versions of star wars. Adding cut/lost scenes is always good, adding new low budget CG scenes to a classic movie is blasphemy.

telecomm
Jul 29, 2007, 04:11 PM
Also the slow-mo of Zhora crashing thru the glass after she gets shot. The person is obviously a stunt-man with a wig on. I really don't expect them to re-do that part however.


I'm pretty sure they're not going to touch that, given that it's one of the most famous scenes in the film.

Counterfit
Jul 30, 2007, 02:03 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade_Runner#Versions

Jeez, I'm only 22 and my memory already sucks complete balls. :(

Nermal
Jul 30, 2007, 02:14 AM
Spooky. I just realised a few days ago that I haven't seen Blade Runner yet. I'll be waiting for this now.

A friend and I watched the first hour (Director's Cut) then gave up because nothing had happened.

I actually have a slip advertising the Final Cut, which came with my Matrix HD DVD set.

Edit: I apologise, I have no idea what inspired me to post that! :eek:

obeygiant
Jul 30, 2007, 09:26 AM
A friend and I watched the first hour (Director's Cut) then gave up because nothing had happened.


Nothing happened? Did you at least see where Dekker finds the clue in the photograph?

bartelby
Jul 30, 2007, 09:28 AM
A friend and I watched the first hour (Director's Cut) then gave up because nothing had happened.


:eek:
What do you mean nothing happened?!

You did press "Play" right?

RedTomato
Jul 30, 2007, 11:51 AM
So er, which one do you recommend - Director's Cut, or Final Cut? I don't think I've ever seen the film in one go.

And if Scott went back to redo the Director's cut, doesn't that rather make a mockery of the concept of 'Director's Cut'? (or does it mean he didn't really have artistic freedom when he did his Director's cut?)

Ingmar Bergman died today. You didn't see him going back to redo his final cuts of his films.

In related films, I'm still struggling to work out which version of Dune I should see. I got the 3 hour Extended edition, thinking it was David Lynch's own cut, sat down to watch it.

It started with some strange hand drawn storyboard shots, like they couldn't be bothered to build the set, then some remarkably moronic cutting. After an hour, I gave up and checked the reviews for it. Surprise, surprise, it was a studio re-cut! Lynch took his name off the edition in protest, and yes, in the credits, it is credited to 'Alan Smithee' as director :)

I love Dune (the book series) and David Lynch, but I'm still baffled as to which Dune film to watch to get the full experience.

telecomm
Jul 30, 2007, 02:45 PM
So er, which one do you recommend - Director's Cut, or Final Cut? I don't think I've ever seen the film in one go.


I think Blue Velvet's links to Wikipedia above summarize the situation pretty clearly—see the Final Cut (when it's out), since it's the proper "directors cut." See the "Directors Cut" if you must watch it now, it's meant to be the next best thing, and let your mom watch the original, it's got the simple happy ending.

Then again, if Scott's been hanging out with Lucas and he decides to add burping aliens to fully realize his vision... ;)

Blue Velvet
Jul 30, 2007, 02:54 PM
Ingmar Bergman died today. You didn't see him going back to redo his final cuts of his films.

He had more say over final cut than these huge studio pictures do with test audiences and so forth.

I love Dune (the book series) and David Lynch, but I'm still baffled as to which Dune film to watch to get the full experience.

The theatrical cut. Although the whole production and post-production was a messy affair he's stated that he's not going back to it to recut it. I don't even think it's in his hands... he's been tied up with Inland Empire, supervising the second season transfer of Twin Peaks to DVD and other projects. I'd love to see every single film of his carefully re-transferred to whatever HD format comes out king.

For more Lynch discussion: http://www.dugpa.com/

Mavimao
Jul 30, 2007, 03:23 PM
I'm pretty sure they're not going to touch that, given that it's one of the most famous scenes in the film.

If anyone picked up this month's issue of Empire magazine (the one with Matt Damon on the cover), they have a 10 page special dedicated to Blade Runner. They talk about the Final Cut version and for this particular scene, they brought in the original actress and scanned her face and pasted it on the face of the stunt person. So they are retouching it up a little bit. They're also erasing the wires from the flying cars that are visible in the older versions, and redoing the photograph that Decker zooms in on. I guess the woman in that photo was the stunt actor as well. They also brought Harrison Ford's son in to reshoot a few shots - although they never specified where in the movie.

megfilmworks
Jul 30, 2007, 03:26 PM
I'd love to see every single film of his carefully re-transferred to whatever HD format comes out king.

For more Lynch discussion: http://www.dugpa.com/

Do you know of a good transfer of "Eraserhead"?

RedTomato
Jul 30, 2007, 03:29 PM
Thanks Telcomm and BlueVelvet for the gentle application of the clue stick, and yes, the wikipedia section does clarify the issues around the 'Directors Cut' - especially given that it was a very early DVD release and thus of low quality.

I'll wait till the Final Cut comes out then, especially as many early DVDs don't have subtitles, so the Director's Cut may well not have them / poor quality subtitles only. (and I hate faffing about with sub files off the net and trying to synchronise them with the movie file without hearing any dialogue).

Blue Velvet
Jul 30, 2007, 03:34 PM
Do you know of a good transfer of "Eraserhead"?

The existing transfer to Region 1 was remastered by David Lynch, according to Wikipedia. Given it's overall image quality, I don't think we're going to see much better... but "rumours have circulated that a new DVD may be released in mid to late 2007 (2007 being the film's thirtieth anniversary)."

Check out dugpa.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eraserhead

Let's try and keep this thread on topic, though. ;)

Mavimao
Jul 30, 2007, 03:42 PM
Do you know of a good transfer of "Eraserhead"?

The Region 1 disc that bluevelvet talked about is a transfer of the original negative that was cleaned and supervised by Lynch himself. I have it myself and it is a great picture quality. You can find it in the UK pretty easily and I think it's from the same transfer session.

MacRumorUser
Jul 30, 2007, 03:43 PM
I was hoping this would come to HD-DVD or BluRay soon, so I'm glad they are releasing this new 'old' version ;)

megfilmworks
Jul 30, 2007, 03:44 PM
The existing transfer to Region 1 was remastered by David Lynch, according to Wikipedia. Given it's overall image quality, I don't think we're going to see much better... but "rumours have circulated that a new DVD may be released in mid to late 2007 (2007 being the film's thirtieth anniversary)."

Check out dugpa.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eraserhead

Let's try and keep this thread on topic, though. ;)
Thanks, that film is one of a kind. By the way, I'm slow but now I get the username!!

RedTomato
Jul 30, 2007, 03:53 PM
The Region 1 disc that bluevelvet talked about is a transfer of the original negative that was cleaned and supervised by Lynch himself. I have it myself and it is a great picture quality. You can find it in the UK pretty easily and I think it's from the same transfer session.

Could you please let me know if it has subtitles / closed captions? (and for bonus points, if any extras / commentaries are also subtitled?)

Amazon.com /co.uk have it, but doesn't say anything about subbies.

Blue Velvet
Jul 30, 2007, 04:04 PM
Could you please let me know if it has subtitles / closed captions?

Just popped my disc in. This is the Universal UK release. No subtitles, no closed captioning... sorry. :(

Huge sections of it don't have any dialogue but that's no consolation, I know.

RedTomato
Jul 30, 2007, 04:16 PM
Thanks BlueVelvet back to fiddling about with fansub files for that one. I'm getting better at it, but it's still a pain. (and thankfully the new release of VLC fixed some rather severe subbie bugs)

Zigster
Jul 30, 2007, 04:40 PM
see the "Final Cut" IN A THEATER. DVD just ain't the same. It will be a thing of beauty.

Hell, I'm going to LA to see Final Cut.

ModestPenguin
Jul 31, 2007, 01:04 AM
I just watched this for the first time tonight.

stunning.

cant wait to get my hands on the final cut.

tasty.