Volkswagen Reliability?

[Fearless Leader]

I'm looking at cars and was looking at either the new toyota camry, rav4, or tundra/tacoma. (I get a nice discount on new toyota's cause my aunt works for Toyota, so the new car loosing it's value isn't a prob)

Well all was going good until I got into a friend's Volkswagen Jetta GLI. Hot damn that was a fun car. Now I can't get a stickshift cause the parents don't think I'm experienced enough... :rolleyes: but I liked the rest of the car alot.

so after my little story here comes my question:

Are jetta's / other vw reliable?

MSN auto's listed all was mostly good except for a few things I could fix myself, and have read reviews of owners having great experiences.

On the other end of the spectrum I get "VDubs suck! Don't buy, mine is in the shop all the time!" and consumer reports ranked them pretty harshly.

I'm confused with all this conflicting data.

[balamw]

I had a 2002 Passat GLS 1.8T until recently which has poisoned me against any further VAG cars.

As much as I enjoyed driving it, I hated the relatively poor reliability and high maintenance costs. One of the ignition coils failed when the car was 1 mo old and that should already have given me an indication of what I was in for.

B

[Fearless Leader]

^^ great.

So I'm just confused, how can a "Japanese" car (The tundra I might buy is made 20mins from my house...) be that much better than a "German" car (which is made somewhere else in the US)?

[ErikCLDR]

Horrible.

Pretty much Everyone I know that has had a VW has sold it due to ppor reliability and/or excessive repair costs.

We currently have an 05 Touareg with ~40,000 miles. It's CD player has broken, both CV joints have gone, the trunk latch has broken 2x, engine sensors have gone bad, light bulbs burn out like crazy, the tire pressure monitoring system died and set off alarms, and an oil change is $80 or something crazy at the dealer. Luckily some of this has been covered under warranty.

I guy at my dad's work also has a Toaureg. His wore through its factory tires after 6,000 miles. VW would not cover the wear because they didn't make the tires. Anyways it apparently turned into a big fiasco.

My uncle had a 2003 Passat V6 4Motion and kept it for 2 years because it had horrible reliability issues. My friends mom had a 2002 Passat 1.8t wagon and kept it for 3 or 4 years and sold it because it just cost too much to maintain. Our friends had a VW bug and sold it for the same reason.

People that own them think they are fun cars, but they're reliability is horrible compared to similar japanese cars. Even if you're lucky and you have a reliable VW, the repair costs will hurt you.

I should also mention how they are designed so that you have to take it to the dealer. Even the battery- you can't even change the battery in them. They are covered in plastic so if you want to change the battery you better start unbolting. Once you change the battery it doesn't matter, the car will not unless the computer is reset, which can only be done by the dealer. If you look how to change a headlight in the manual it says take it to your local dealer. You can't easily change the battery in the key fob yourself either.

They are nice cars, but just ridiculous. How some of these reviewers come up with reliability ratings is beyond me. All the VW owners I know are not satisfied with the reliability.

Would you get a discount on a Lexus IS?

[Luis]

We currently have an 05 Touareg with ~40,000 miles. It's CD player has broken, both CV joints have gone, the trunk latch has broken 2x, engine sensors have gone bad, light bulbs burn out like crazy, the tire pressure monitoring system died and set off alarms, and an oil change is $80 or something crazy at the dealer. Luckily some of this has been covered under warranty.

I guy at my dad's work also has a Toaureg. His wore through its factory tires after 6,000 miles. VW would not cover the wear because they didn't make the tires. Anyways it apparently turned into a big fiasco.
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Ditto on the Touareg. I can't really comment about any other models, but avoid the Touareg.

[Fearless Leader]

Darn, its just the toyota's aren't as fun to drive.
Their older brothers, Audi's and BMW are Good, Right? Cause I've found a couple used ones In my price range.

[ErikCLDR]

Darn, its just the toyota's aren't as fun to drive.
Their older brothers, Audi's and BMW are Good, Right? Cause I've found a couple used ones In my price range.

Audi's are the same as VW's basically. My mom had a 1996 A4 2.8 I believe. She wasn't happy with the reliability on that either. The repair costs will be more expensive than the VW's for sure

Then she got a 2001 Grand Cherokee and she was happy with that.

One time when my mom was b****ing at the service people at the VW dealer they said that even they didn't drive VWs, one had a toyota and the other had a nissan. They also said not to get a BMW because they had really high repair costs. We had an X3 until it was deemed a lemon, so I can't really comment on how bad the prices actually are.

[~J~]

I have an '06 Jetta 2.5 that has over 21,000 miles on it... never had any issues. I wore thro the first set of tires already... but my motto is "drive it like you stole it"... if that gives you any idication, haha. I recently moved from the central coast CA to Dallas, TX - drove the whole trip no probs. And yeah, if you use synthetic oil (like VW recommends), an oil change is ~$80... but VW also recommends that you only change your oil every 5,000 miles... so thats a mute point in the long run.

My buddy has an '03 Passat W8 (special engine VW made only for a couple years). It has 4Motion and everything... he's never had any big problems with it, and all the small problems were covered under the warranty. But you are absolutely right, I have never driven a "sedan" that was more fun! Oh... and one last thing... VW International owns Audi... (the A5 is my next car, its just sexy!)

[TurboLag]

I have a 2002 Jetta 1.8T, which has had minimal repairs done, and most under warranty. Although I had to pay $300 to fix a collapsed window! However the engine is rock solid, quick, and has great milage.

Even the battery- you can't even change the battery in them. They are covered in plastic so if you want to change the battery you better start unbolting. Once you change the battery it doesn't matter, the car will not unless the computer is reset, which can only be done by the dealer.

Really? I went to Canadian tire, bought an $80 battery and put it in in the parking lot.

You can't easily change the battery in the key fob yourself either

I splits apart in two with the use of a dime, and there is a standard battery in there.

[Jay42]

How about a Subaru? Definitely superior in terms of reliability than most German cars (especially VW), and the Impreza 2.5i and WRX are definitely just as or more fun to drive as the GLI's. Depending upon where you live, the AWD might be a huge asset. Both those cars really deserve a stick shift though.

I just bought a used '06 WRX sedan with the 5 speed and I can't get enough of it, just so addictive to drive. The only downside is that the interior quality of these cars doesn't live up to most German cars.

[decksnap]

I don't drive one but I have a friend who is a VW mechanic. His advice is don't bother. The older VWs used to be rock solid- the newer ones (last six or seven years?) are not reliable at all.

VW is undergoing a major shift in their business right now. I imagine either the reliability will continue to go down or they'll start stripping off the trimmings - one way or the other, they're losing money.

[FrankBlack]

Bear in mind, Audi is part of VW, and there is some parts sharing across the line. I only bring this up, because a lot of folks are not aware of it. The "great ignition coil fiasco" affected the entire VW line of cars that had the 1.8T engine. No dealer would replace all four coils, they would only replace the one that failed. Nasty, it was.

If you've found a BMW in your price range, go check it out. And do give yourself a fair chance to learn to drive a stick shift, you won't regret it. (I'm sure everyone here agrees on that. ) The sooner you get the experience, the better. "Drive what you like" is the best advice.

[Fearless Leader]

Yes I love to drive a stickshift, the problem lies with my little sisters as this will be a car they use in a year. (Oh **** thats really scary to think about) and while I love stickshift I'd be surprised if they could get a stickshift to work.

The Subaru's also look nice Its just I don't have dealer around here.

...And do give yourself a fair chance to learn to drive a stick shift, you won't regret it. ...

I can drive a stickshift, friend with the jetta tought me, its my mom who doesn't want anything to do with it and she is paying a good chunk of the car...

[Silencio]

We have a 2000 Cabrio, maybe 66,000 miles on it. We've replaced seemingly every bulb in the car, seemingly every engine sensor, and the power window motors on both front windows. Now there's something wrong with the AC/vent fan, which conveniently enough decided to fritz out just as soon as we fixed the driver's side power window.

VWs are nice-looking cars and fun to drive, but not reliable at all.

[gauchogolfer]

I had a 2000 Passat GLX which I sold before moving to France. I had a huge fiasco when they changed out the water pump, but didn't replace the tensioner bolt at the same time. Evidently this caused it to be weakened, with the result that the time belt went flying while my wife was going 70 down the 405. Luckily she was able to get it to the side of the road safely. We had to get all of the headers replaced, which meant the car was in the shop for about 3 weeks. Also, the CV joints went out very early on, due to tearing in the boots which allowed dirt and gunk to get in and damage the joints. I was pleased to get that car off of my hands while it still had a little value, and I pity the person who bought it from the dealer we sold it to.

No more VW for me for awhile, till they up their reputation. I'm driving a Subaru now, which I think will have a much longer lifetime.

[AHDuke99]

the mercedes c class is a great car. i love mine. i dont think i could drive anything else.

[Cassie]

Yes I love to drive a stickshift, the problem lies with my little sisters as this will be a car they use in a year. (Oh **** thats really scary to think about) and while I love stickshift I'd be surprised if they could get a stickshift to work.

The Subaru's also look nice Its just I don't have dealer around here.



I can drive a stickshift, friend with the jetta tought me, its my mom who doesn't want anything to do with it and she is paying a good chunk of the car...

Pshh.. My parents are forcing me to buy a stickshift when I'm old enough. (Which I'd rather have anyway, but still)

My grandparents only buy Toyota's, and they are relieable. My grandfather currently drives a 2001 Tacoma, with no problems at all. They have never had any real big problems with Toyota's. In fact, he still has a 1977 Toyota "Truck" (What they were called before Tacoma" Which is still in running condition, and has only had the radiator replaced. (He only uses it on his land because he doesn't want to pay for the insurance he would need for it to pass inspection)

I seriously suggust you get a Tacoma.

[steamboat26]

In reading about cars, i have learned that back in the day (read 1990s), VWs weren't that bad, most of them made after 2000 have astronomical maintenance costs. And simpler things tend to go wrong with them, ie windows don't work, locks don't work; but the repair estimate will be well above the cost for any other make.

[Sutekidane]

I have 3 friends with VW Jettas (one 2001, one 2004, and one 2006) and they have all had problems rating from minor to severe. Things like window motors, door looks, engines misfiring, constant oil leaks, broken ACs, shoddy electronics all around... Hope that helps.

[aquajet]

Are jetta's / other vw reliable?

Compared to other brands, no. You can read personal stories all day long, but the legwork has been done by Consumer Reports and the fact is, VWs on the whole are less reliable.

I've had three VWs and I currently drive a Beetle. The Beetle has over 170k miles and there have been many small annoyances (several electrical problems due to poor grounding, broken power window regulators, oil leaks, malfuntioning truck release, several faulty engine sensors) and a few major headaches (broken catalytic converter, broken transmission cooler, broken AC compressor).

But to be fair, internally the engine and auto tranny are solid. The engine runs fine, doesn't burn oil, and the tranny shifts smoothly.

[j/k/Andy]

check out the Nissan Altima Coupe

[Fearless Leader]

Pshh.. My parents are forcing me to buy a stickshift when I'm old enough. (Which I'd rather have anyway, but still)

My grandparents only buy Toyota's, and they are relieable. My grandfather currently drives a 2001 Tacoma, with no problems at all. They have never had any real big problems with Toyota's. In fact, he still has a 1977 Toyota "Truck" (What they were called before Tacoma" Which is still in running condition, and has only had the radiator replaced. (He only uses it on his land because he doesn't want to pay for the insurance he would need for it to pass inspection)

I seriously suggust you get a Tacoma.

gahh I want to bash my head in, I want a standard, and its what she learned on. but She says its too many distractions. And the tacoma's look nice, and I'm Pretty sure my giant self fits into them.

Even though I love music, I hate the radio and will just use CD's of songs I like, Even though I got an iPhone, I don't like to talk to people, so I'm not going to talk to people while I'm driving. And I don't eat in cars and hardly ever drink in them and hate the idea of food in cars.

[SteveG4Cube]

My golden rule of cars - NEVER own a German car out of warranty. ;)

[TheMonarch]

Well, considering the VW Passat was this year's (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/291854_autoreliability10.html) worst family car.

I'd say VWs aren't too reliable.

[Funkatation]

I have an 06 GLI (22k miles) and while I've had some small issues with it (all were taken care of under warranty) I don't think I could drive another car out there. The DSG is the best transmission on the market right now, and WAY better than a manual (its a dual clutch automatic so shifts faster than a stick). Also the 2.0T is one SWEET engine! I drove all of the other brands in that price range, and nothing beats the driving experience of a German car... The interior is by far the best of any car I've seen as well. While I do wish they were less small issues, I still love the car after owning it for 2 years.

EDIT: we also have a 06 Passat that has had 0 problems (16k miles on it so far)

[Cassie]

gahh I want to bash my head in, I want a standard, and its what she learned on. but She says its too many distractions. And the tacoma's look nice, and I'm Pretty sure my giant self fits into them.

Even though I love music, I hate the radio and will just use CD's of songs I like, Even though I got an iPhone, I don't like to talk to people, so I'm not going to talk to people while I'm driving. And I don't eat in cars and hardly ever drink in them and hate the idea of food in cars.

Man I hate when people use that arguement. If anything, it's less distraction, because it's harder to eat, talk on the phone, or do anything else, because it keeps your mind foucsed on the road.

[TheBusDriver]

Aircooled VWs are pretty reliable, grow your hair out and buy a VW bus. Make your parents proud :D thats what I did.

[Fearless Leader]

Aircooled VWs are pretty reliable, grow your hair out and buy a VW bus. Make your parents proud :D thats what I did.

you know I do like the vdub bus/van/things.

oh another question, saw a diesel car in the paper. What do you think of that?
Most gas stations around here (Southern Indiana) have diesel pumps, but what about the rest of the US?

[A Pittarelli]

been fine for me so far!

[ErikCLDR]

you know I do like the vdub bus/van/things.

oh another question, saw a diesel car in the paper. What do you think of that?
Most gas stations around here (Southern Indiana) have diesel pumps, but what about the rest of the US?

For diesel pumps at stations I would say its about 1/2 and 1/2 around here in CT. Most big gas stations will have them, but little ones don't. I don't think on the Merit Parkway any of the stations have diesel, but I might be wrong. That's probably because trucks aren't allowed on it. So if you ever consider working in NY or CT and living in Fairfield County don't expect to be able to easily pull off the highway at a rest stop and get diesel.

I would definitely look into a diesel. A lot of the time the fuel is cheaper and you get much better fuel economy.

[joepunk]

Also, with a diesel engine you can fill up w/biodiesel fuel.

[SMM]

I'm looking at cars and was looking at either the new toyota camry, rav4, or tundra/tacoma. (I get a nice discount on new toyota's cause my aunt works for Toyota, so the new car loosing it's value isn't a prob)

Well all was going good until I got into a friend's Volkswagen Jetta GLI. Hot damn that was a fun car. Now I can't get a stickshift cause the parents don't think I'm experienced enough... :rolleyes: but I liked the rest of the car alot.

so after my little story here comes my question:

Are jetta's / other vw reliable?

MSN auto's listed all was mostly good except for a few things I could fix myself, and have read reviews of owners having great experiences.

On the other end of the spectrum I get "VDubs suck! Don't buy, mine is in the shop all the time!" and consumer reports ranked them pretty harshly.

I'm confused with all this conflicting data.

I lost my $21,000 investment in a Passat SW because a VW engineer did not design the oil intake tube (from the crankcase) correctly. My engine went from running fine to total destruction in 10 minutes. VW knew of the problem. They could have informed all of us to bring our cars in for corrective action. But, they just decided to write a letter and tell us to use a different type of oil. The repair costs would have been over $7,000. VW refused to provide any any help. I ended up donating the car to a charity, to sell for used parts.

Engineering mistakes happen. I am willing to accept that. But, a company willing to see customers as a 'one sale' event, is not one I would ever do business with. I thought VW was a customer oriented company. I assure you, they are not. Even tough it is had to imagine, the final person I spoke to said, "F**k-off, and hung-up on me".

[Fearless Leader]

I think I would like I slightly used jetta 2006 tdi (diesel). Manual When I my parents are convinced its better. I'm think any major problems would have surfaced by 2x,xxx miles and the price should be real good at that point.

I'm a decent mechanic, my uncle was a car mechanic for some time, and now works as a mechanic for a construction company, and most problems sound minor from what I've read in general.

The reasoning behind this is that vw are ratted the safest and that top priority.

Its that or a new tacoma

[Rodimus Prime]

First off do not go for a car because it is fun to drive. It wears off after a while and most of the time you car will be used to get from point A to point B. Yes their will be times when having a fun to drive car is nice. I enjoy my car and it is a blast to drive. It was a factor in me choosing my car yes but if I had it to do over I would not get of gotten it.

You can get one hell of a deal on a toyta which means you could get a good deal on anything that Toyta owns for example Scoin TC would give you the fun to drive factor you are after and still keep the deal.

If you are wondering what I drive it is a 2004 Sentra Spec V and I can promise you it is a hell of a lot more fun to drive than the Jetta. As for manuals depends on the person I like them better but at the same time for a rookie driver I I think they are not the best thing to use. The reason for this is because it is just one more thing you have to think about while driving but I do love my 6 speed manual.

To look into getting a Scion TC

[ErikCLDR]

I think I would like I slightly used jetta 2006 tdi (diesel). Manual When I my parents are convinced its better. I'm think any major problems would have surfaced by 2x,xxx miles and the price should be real good at that point.

I'm a decent mechanic, my uncle was a car mechanic for some time, and now works as a mechanic for a construction company, and most problems sound minor from what I've read in general.

The reasoning behind this is that vw are ratted the safest and that top priority.

Its that or a new tacoma

I wouldn't assume that major problems would surface by 20,000 at all. People either seem to have very minor problems, or lots of little problems. To me that can just be generalized if 2/3 of the people here have had problems that make them feel like vw is unreliable.

But I guess you should get what you want, if you want a VW thats fine. They are nice cars, drive very well, and have beautiful fit and finish. I took my moms Touareg down a road at 120mph (in the middle of nowhere of course). Its funny, its such a quite idling car, when ever I drive it when I am stopped sometimes I think its stalled hahha. My Land Rover at idle is pretty loud, naturally.

Like I said, I guess its really what you want. It appears you want a VW more than I toyota, and I would probably feel the same way in your situation. V-dubs look a lot cooler, have much higher quality interiors, and are a lot more fun to drive. If you are looking for a pickup, I don't think there is any better pickup than the Tundra (2008 ones are kinda fulgy though). Reliability isn't everything, my Rover is probably one of the most unreliable cars on the road, but I love it a lot. I think you want a VW, just be aware of the repair costs. If you think you can afford to maintain one, then go for it.

[shecky]

i have not read the whole thread so i may be repeating what others have said here

i have a 2003 Jetta 1.8T Wolfsburg edition. its fun as hell to drive, very fast off the line, great acceleration, i love the styling, was a pretty good deal at about $18K/2% financing that i got it for, and has been a dream in terms of ride, handling, etc.

but

there have been a bunch of little stupid, non-disabling things go wrong. the passenger window fell into the door. the trunk would not open. the lights behind the dash shorted out. the louvers over the vents broke. bunch of little dumb crap like that. its enough, and especially now that i am out of warranty, that i would be hard pressed to go to another VW. the engines and actual stuff that has to do with driving are great, everything else, not so much.

i do love german cars and i think when i can afford it (not anytime soon) i would try an Audi. having said that, i have lost the boyish car fetish and have finally realized that they are basically just a money suck. so my next car will most likely be a Toyota Camry or something similar. i think that when you buy a german car you need to expect that repairs will be more frequent and cost more. personally, id rather have a car that is not as cool but always works and is cheap to keep.

[Nuc]

VW passat = VW passout

Get a Honda/Acura.

Nuc

[Markleshark]

In my experiance VW (Or anything German for that matter) is built like a tank, and is as reliable as a wood burning stove.

[brad.c]

In my experiance VW (Or anything German for that matter) is built like a tank, and is as reliable as a wood burning stove.

Ha! :D My first VW smelled like a wood burning stove.

I've owned 2 Beetles, 2 Super Beetles, a '68 microbus (all used), a '98 Golf (new), and have just made the last payment on my '02 Jetta GLS. The drive train warranty expired as well, so the question of reliability is suddenly relevant as I hope to keep the Jetta for a few more years.

The only probs I've had with any of the above cars that couldn't be explained by age and abuse is when the brake light sensor switch failed on the Jetta just before the bumper-to-bumper ran out. Because the sensor failed--NOT the brakes mind you--the car wouldn't go into gear. I had to call a tow truck to go back to the dealer. For a SENSOR SWITCH! I was with my wife and two kids in a mall parking lot. That's completely opposite to my earlier experiences, when the older cars were indestructable.

Of course they were simple enough to be fixed by anyone named "Bubba".

[pdpfilms]

Ha! :D My first VW smelled like a wood burning stove.

I've owned 2 Beetles, 2 Super Beetles, a '68 microbus (all used), a '98 Golf (new), and have just made the last payment on my '02 Jetta GLS. The drive train warranty expired as well, so the question of reliability is suddenly relevant as I hope to keep the Jetta for a few more years.

The only probs I've had with any of the above cars that couldn't be explained by age and abuse is when the brake light sensor switch failed on the Jetta just before the bumper-to-bumper ran out. Because the sensor failed--NOT the brakes mind you--the car wouldn't go into gear. I had to call a tow truck to go back to the dealer. For a SENSOR SWITCH! I was with my wife and two kids in a mall parking lot. That's completely opposite to my earlier experiences, when the older cars were indestructable.

Of course they were simple enough to be fixed by anyone named "Bubba".
There was a recall on these for the Jettas just a few months ago. Were you charged for the replacement?

[pdpfilms]

Man I hate when people use that arguement. If anything, it's less distraction, because it's harder to eat, talk on the phone, or do anything else, because it keeps your mind foucsed on the road.

Not sure if I'm reading this correctly as your argument was confusing and his was even worse, but...

...are you really claiming that talking on the phone or eating while driving makes you more aware?

[shecky]

i think her point was that its less distracting to drive a stick because you are forced to pay more attention to the act of driving and less attention to talking on the phone, etc..

i think its irrelevant personally.

[Frisco]

VWs are garbage. My friend is a mechanic and always tell me so. Parts are very expensive.
They have lots of tranny and electrical problems. So do Audi's.

Since Toyota is amongst the top in reliability it's an easy choice for you. You only have to decide which one to get. The FJ Cruiser is hot! I also like the 2008 Highlander.

[cycocelica]

My sisters New Beatle (2000 model) sucked. Something was always wrong with it. The passenger airbag stopped working once for no reason and it would have costed $500 to replace it. I won't step near VWs anymore after the nightmare my sister had.

[Stridder44]

I'm looking at cars and was looking at either the new toyota camry, rav4, or tundra/tacoma. (I get a nice discount on new toyota's cause my aunt works for Toyota, so the new car loosing it's value isn't a prob)

Well all was going good until I got into a friend's Volkswagen Jetta GLI. Hot damn that was a fun car. Now I can't get a stickshift cause the parents don't think I'm experienced enough... :rolleyes: but I liked the rest of the car alot.

so after my little story here comes my question:

Are jetta's / other vw reliable?

MSN auto's listed all was mostly good except for a few things I could fix myself, and have read reviews of owners having great experiences.

On the other end of the spectrum I get "VDubs suck! Don't buy, mine is in the shop all the time!" and consumer reports ranked them pretty harshly.

I'm confused with all this conflicting data.


I've had an 04 Golf (in pull-me-over-red) since 2005. Other than basic maintenance I've had no serious issues (knock on wood). It doesn't matter anyway, you get a warranty that lasts like 4 years or something like that - and a kick ass one at that.

I had a small problem where the car wouldn't start on the first try, so I took it in and it was the battery (was low). It was covered under warranty!

[kitki83]

I bought a VW Jetta Wolfsburg Edition 07, in March. Only problem was top AC, I think some object got inside of it causing rattling noise but they replaced the whole AC. I love the car, its just me, fits me comfortable (long legs). I really like it, I knew that the car is high cost to repair once my warranty ends, thats why before I bought it I research local authorize VW mechanics, theres a bunch around me for repairs so no problem.

I think cars are not made to last as they use to.They want people buy a new car when their payments are done.

Anyway I had the same crisis as you did about car choice, all I have to say test drive them all. Because you want to drive a car your comfortable and makes driving easier.

Either way theres always cars with good and the bad issues, for me Toyota I know people to have problems, its more like if you take care of your car (regular check up) it will give you good performance.

For VW dealers, careful where you go because the few I went where very shady until I found one that was I think corporate. They call me ask me hows everything. They have a some Best Customer Service Plaque they kept since 05 so they try not to loose it every year. Also all the dealers I went, used VW is more expensive or equal than new one with similar package, that has to tell you price value on VW.

What sucks 07 VW Jetta, after I got mine, everyone started getting one at work.

[brad.c]

There was a recall on these for the Jettas just a few months ago. Were you charged for the replacement?

No, as the b2b was still in effect. Nevertheless, they still replaced the recalled part during scheduled service back in June. N/C.

[CanadaRAM]

Had a Rabbit, worst car I have ever owned (and that includes those Fords..)
Most times in the morning, it would have to be restarted 4 or 5 times before it would make it to the end of the block without stalling.

Our neighbour had a Golf Cabrio, 10 years newer, with exactly the same problem. 4 restarts to make it out of the driveway. They had it worked over repeatedly by "factory trained mechanics" who ended up telling them -- that's just the way it is, live with it. The thing that gets me is that in 10 years VW still couldn't engineer a motor that works...

[ErikCLDR]

I think it says a lot when people that work at a VW dealer and fix VW's don't drive VW's.

[steamboat26]

Modern VWs are unreliable, as pretty much everybody has summed up here.
But my impression of the VW Buses from the 60s is that they were built to last forever, and if anything went wrong, you could usually fix it with random parts from your cupholder (think rubber band, gum, and a penny :D)

[ryannel2003]

I love the VW Passat's and Jetta's, but they are extremely unreliable cars. Couple of friends have had to get minor things repaired, and it was extremely expensive to fix. I have a Toyota Camry and it may not be that fun to drive, but damn the car has only needed oil changes and other regular maintence. I've had the car for a year and a half. My grandma had the car before, and she never had problems with it either. I'd say for the Camry. If you want some more excitement, go for the Honda Accord. I can't comment on the Nissan Altima, but from what I have seen most Nissan's are extremely unreliable as well.

[MacAficionado]

You are getting all caught up in driving a car you think is cool. As a mature person, and I am not saying you are not, I can tell you, driving an unreliable car is a pain. I had a Jetta with problems, but I thought it was a really cool car. When the Ford Focus came out, I thought it was cool as hell. Got one, one of the worst cars I've owned.

After doing research, I decided to go with a Hyundai Elantra. I have driven that car for 50,000, across the U.S. without a single problem. I am no longer into getting cars that are perceived to be cool, or are a fashion statement. I will buy Hyundais from now on. Next up will be a Hyundai Veracruz or the Genesis when it finally comes out.
My 2 cents

Look at this Bad Mother F@cker (http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicle/availablesoon/Concept_Genesis.aspx)

[Xeem]

VWs are very unreliable compared to most other car companies; they grace Consumer Reports' 10 Least Reliable Car Brands list pretty much every year.

[Fearless Leader]

You are getting all caught up in driving a car you think is cool. As a mature person, and I am not saying you are not, I can tell you, driving an unreliable car is a pain.
Look at this Bad Mother F@cker (http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicle/availablesoon/Concept_Genesis.aspx)

It's ok, Im a average teen wanting a first car. Even though I've always been pretty mature for my age, I'm still a teen. And well you old folk :p do got maturity.

Anyways after my VW dreams have been utterly and completely smashed and stomped on, The scion tC is a nice affordable car, its that or a rav4 now. My sisters have now really started to flex there muscles on the choice of the vehicle that I will be mostly driving because they get it when I'm finished with it... :mad:

in picky girl voices "No we don't want the gray one we want the light blue one." "We don't want a truck." "That one is ugly." (where's the smiley exploding with confusion and anger?)

[ryannel2003]

It's ok, Im a average teen wanting a first car. Even though I've always been pretty mature for my age, I'm still a teen. And well you old folk :p do got maturity.

Anyways after my VW dreams have been utterly and completely smashed and stomped on, The scion tC is a nice affordable car, its that or a rav4 now. My sisters have now really started to flex there muscles on the choice of the vehicle that I will be mostly driving because they get it when I'm finished with it... :mad:

in picky girl voices "No we don't want the gray one we want the light blue one." "We don't want a truck." "That one is ugly." (where's the smiley exploding with confusion and anger?)

The tC is an extremely nice car. I believe in some ways it replaces the Celica and as of right now, is the only sports car that Toyota Motor Company has. The new RAV4 is also a nice vehicle. My friend down the street has one and it's extremely roomy, and very fun to drive. However, it also depends on what your budget is for a car. Her's is the 4 cylinder. I've heard the V6 is a beast, so I would to try to go for that.

[Fearless Leader]

The tC is an extremely nice car. I believe in some ways it replaces the Celica and as of right now, is the only sports car that Toyota Motor Company has. The new RAV4 is also a nice vehicle. My friend down the street has one and it's extremely roomy, and very fun to drive. However, it also depends on what your budget is for a car. Her's is the 4 cylinder. I've heard the V6 is a beast, so I would to try to go for that.

I went to go see how I fit in the cars today... tC is out, the camry is good, rav4 is out, but the highlander is good.

I also went to go fit in a jetta, I fit fine, but if I have passengers not so much. But the passat is amazing, I can actually scoot up a bit and still be very comfortable.

I also fit well in the Porsche carrera...

[Cassie]

Not sure if I'm reading this correctly as your argument was confusing and his was even worse, but...

...are you really claiming that talking on the phone or eating while driving makes you more aware?

Sorry, no, I meant that driving a standard keeps your mind on the road, because you usually have to shift gears often, and driving a standard also makes it harder to eat or talk on a cell phone.

[Cassie]

My sisters have now really started to flex there muscles on the choice of the vehicle that I will be mostly driving because they get it when I'm finished with it... :mad:

in picky girl voices "No we don't want the gray one we want the light blue one." "We don't want a truck." "That one is ugly." (where's the smiley exploding with confusion and anger?)

Being a 14 year old teen myself, I say "screw them." :D

On topic, mid 90's Ford taureses (sp) are pretty dang cheap. :)

[Cybergypsy]

I have owned 4 new VWs, I named each one celine, CEL for short, Check engine light....no more VW for me..

[dodong]

Well, considering the VW Passat was this year's (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/291854_autoreliability10.html) worst family car.

I'd say VWs aren't too reliable.

In fact, it is no. 9 in Consumer Report's list of The Most Unreliable Cars (http://www.impactlab.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=4579) last year. Sad because I love the beetle. But as you can see, it is in good company. Just look at the who's who on the list.

[aquajet]

One problem I've experienced with both my A3 Jettas with the 5-spd is gear synchronization with 2nd gear. Often it would crunch, especially on cold mornings. My brother had the same problem with his Golf. Search any of the VW tech forums for "2nd gear crunch" and there are plenty of stories to be told. AFAIK, this problem affected the A3 and A4 models. How widespread the problem is, I don't know. So if anybody is thinking of purchasing an A3 or A4 VW (Jetta, Golf) with the 4-cyl 5-spd combo, I say think again. The autos are much more reliable, in my experience and from what I've heard from others.

[bt1988]

If you get the GLI, it'll come with (automatic) DSG (Direct Shift Gearbox), which is absolutely amazing..

[Evangelion]

I drive a 1994 VW Passat wagon, and it's pretty much bulletproof. My brother drove a 1997 VW Golf and it too was bulletproof. In 1998 - 2003 or so VW's had some quality-issues, but before and after that they are very very good. The latest VW Golf went through a 60.000 kilometer test-drive without a single incident, and that's something even Toyota or Nissan (both known for their reliability) hasn't done. The magazine doing the test called it their most boring test-run ever, since they had no problems with the car at all. After the test, they took the car apart, and were amazed at how much time and care went to making the car, since everything in it was hi-quality.

The new Passat hasn't gone through similar test yet, but talking with owners they seem to be very happy with the quality.

The repair-costs are very low on VW's, due to the fact that you can go long time between repairs (whereas other cars needs to to maintenance every 20.000 30.000 kilometers, VAG's can go on for 60.000km, and the spare-parts are cheap).

Of course, this is with European VW's, don't know about the models they sell in USA.

[walangij]

It's ok, Im a average teen wanting a first car. Even though I've always been pretty mature for my age, I'm still a teen. And well you old folk :p do got maturity.

Anyways after my VW dreams have been utterly and completely smashed and stomped on, The scion tC is a nice affordable car, its that or a rav4 now. My sisters have now really started to flex there muscles on the choice of the vehicle that I will be mostly driving because they get it when I'm finished with it... :mad:

in picky girl voices "No we don't want the gray one we want the light blue one." "We don't want a truck." "That one is ugly." (where's the smiley exploding with confusion and anger?)

Ummm... I don't know why everyone smashed the VW dreams, but the VAG has improved QC immensely recently. The days of bad electricity and dead headlights, ect. are almost gone. I think being in America, VW gets a bad rep for some reason, but remember that Audi and VW share parts. My mechanic friends tell me about the amount of late 90 early 2000 VW and Audis that come in which is true and also why people who haven't owned the cars themselves like to point out. I find that most of the problems I hear about are due to the original owner cutting corners in not getting the car properly serviced at a certified store aka going to a chain or using a wrong grade of oil b/c its cheaper, ect. Stupid things like that.

The GLI you're looking at is a great car, the engine is bulletproof, shared with the GTI and the A4 2.0, both of which have incredible quality, and the engine won "engine of the year" from european magazines, and the GTI MKV (not the problem prone MKIV) and A4 have won a long list of awards in the USA and internationally that would make Scion, Subaru, Honda, ect. jealous.

What I'm trying to say is to keep your options open, VW today resembles more the VW of old rather than the problem prone VW of the 90s because VAG realized the trend of people moving from USA to Asian cars, they want a piece of the pie and to do it they had to increase QC and reliability. Their QC has improved so much, even to the point that their margins on cars like the GTI are too low b/c they are manufactured in Germany rather than South Africa or Mexico. GLI is manufactured in Mexico though, but I'd suggest trying both the GTI and GLI out, the GTI is a lot roomier than many expect, but then if you're not a euro hatch person it may not be an option.

Anyways, hope you find the car you're looking for and have a great time with it.

[mac 2005]

[double post. sorry!]

[mac 2005]

I will never again buy a Volkswagen, and that goes for Audi and Porsche, as well.

I owned a 2000 New Beetle that caused more frustration than any car I've owned, particularly when problems with the dealer surfaced and VW refused to get involved. I took the car in for all of its scheduled and recommended maintenance, only to have a brake problem emerge. The dealer could get the parts in a day or two but wouldn't schedule the repair for two weeks, never mind the fact that the safe operation of the vehicle was involved and that continuing to drive the vehicle resulted in further damage to the brake system. VW refused to even request that the dealer to expedite the repair. Nice.

So I did what any self-respecting car owner would do. I traded said Beetle in on a new 2003 Honda Accord EX and never looked back.

Friends don't let friends buy VW.

I thought VW was a customer oriented company. I assure you, they are not.

Couldn't agree more. Don't let the advertising fool you.

[Sun Baked]

Ford is the one making massive reliability improvements recently, resulting a hundreds of millions in warranty work savings for the company.

With Ford it likely isn't across the board, but in key cars sold with high volume improving drastically.

[MattG]

Wow...this thread is depressing.

Well, I've got a 2006 Jetta 2.5, with almost 20k miles on it. It's been an awesome car so far, I can't really complain. It drives well, and for the price, you really can't beat the features or the interior. The only thing that's really gone wrong is the little light-fixture under the sun visor -- it's fallen out (twice) due to the plastic shell cracking, and I'm pretty sure the Florida heat is to blame. VW has replaced them for me (once for each visor), free of charge, no questions asked. Annoying, but I don't blame them for it. I had a Toyota Corolla before this, and the little storage area above where the center console is (by the stereo) had a similar problem; the hinges melted and it wouldn't stay shut. Same thing happened to my mom's Camry and my sister's Corolla.

My girlfriend has a 2000 (or 2001...can't remember) Jetta. She broke 100k miles just the other day and it's still going strong. It burns a little oil, but it's due to poor maintenance upkeep by the previous owner. No major electrical or other issues (knock on wood). She's looking to buy an EOS in the next couple of years!

[scem0]

I don't know the first thing about cars, but my Mom owns a BMW Bug (2001 I think?) and it's in the shop probably once a month. It's been a horrible car, however cute it may be.

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[Chisholm]

I leased a 2000 Golf and loved it. Turned it in and got a 2002 Jetta Wagon. Loved it. Leased it for four years. Turned it back in after the lease because my wife had wrecked it in year 2. We turned around and PURCHASED a 2007 Rabbit. LOVE IT!!!

There was a recall on an ignition part for the Golf, no cost to fix. You guys paying $80 for an oil change are getting screwed. The most I've paid at the dealership is $35 and there are many other things they are checking/topping up.

Maybe its my excellent Karma. I doubt it. I'm 3 for 3 with VWs. In fact I'm in the market for a mid 1970's Bug. With A/C of course.

cheers!

[mahashel]

Put me in the "Lucky VW Owners" category.
I love my 2003 Jetta 1.8T
I take pretty good care of my stuff, though I do drive aggressively. The car has been mechanically flawless, and continues to run strong at 55k miles and counting.
To be fair, I did have to replace the battery. I assume full responsibility, however, since I'm sure it was a side-effect of some impromptu welding I did while installing the amp for my subwoofer. (aka: I didn't disconnect the battery and a couple leads bumped while I was moving some cables. Kids, don't try this at home.) :o
All in all, I've had a great experience with my V-dub, and plan to buy a GTI in a couple years as my Jetta gets up in the 100k mileage range. (which is when I trade in most of my cars)

[GSMiller]

The only foreign car anyone in my family has ever owned was one of the original Beetle's. I don't believe my dad kept it very long either. I find cars to be very hit and miss. Two people may both buy a Jetta, one have it for years with no troubles and the other spend half their weight in gold getting it repaired. I bought a new Cobalt coupe in February and love it. With all the problems I've had with Japanese electronics, I don't care to own a Japanese car.

[mac 2005]

Maybe its my excellent Karma.

As in a Karma(nn Ghia) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Karmann_Ghia)? :cool:

[Fearless Leader]

Wow...this thread is depressing.



I know but I just love the way the passat fits me and its roominess.

I took a second look at the camry today and its not bad but its just almost too small. Though My sisters don't like it as much as the highlander because they know they will be in the back seats often, well because thankfully they can't drive yet. The only problem is its a bit harder to drive than vehicles, and they think all vehicles drive the same and are as easy to see behind you.

My mom's SUV is nice to drive in all along with my step-dad's company van (sienna) its just real hard to see behind me. Theres a lot more vehicle and peoples' heads and it doesn't turn as well.

[Chisholm]

As in a Karma(nn Ghia) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Karmann_Ghia)? :cool:

I never owned a Ghia. But I dated a girl in high school that had one. :p

[steamboat26]

In fact, it is no. 9 in Consumer Report's list of The Most Unreliable Cars (http://www.impactlab.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=4579) last year. Sad because I love the beetle. But as you can see, it is in good company. Just look at the who's who on the list.

I'm not too surprised by that list, but i would have expected a few more American cars on there.

BTW, i noticed that the majority of good VW stories are only on newer models with low miles. Would one attribute this more to increased quality or the fact that reliability can't really be measured until you reach high(er) mileage?

[walangij]

I'm not too surprised by that list, but i would have expected a few more American cars on there.

BTW, i noticed that the majority of good VW stories are only on newer models with low miles. Would one attribute this more to increased quality or the fact that reliability can't really be measured until you reach high(er) mileage?

I would suspect that the reason for good VW stories are both higher reliability and and the cars being newer. For some VW cars, its better to look across the pond to see how reliable they are since likely when the car is launched in the States, it's already been out in the EU for a couple of years, therefore the kinks are worked out.

Some people have horror stories with VW or those "my mechanic friends tell me that...", others have "bulletproof 600k+ miles and going". If a car is properly maintained it should be fine usually. I'll venture out to say that the key reason why VW and german brands have a bad reliability rep is because their parts are expensive in comparison to domestic and asian brands. So the owner really feels it and remembers when a repair must be made. People looking at german cars should keep this in mind so that they aren't surprised in the future.

But hey, at least the online VW community is a good one, on the 2 largest community sites for VW, most everyone uses macs :D so it must say something about taste :apple:

[balamw]

I'm not too surprised by that list, but i would have expected a few more American cars on there.
FWIW, a German friend keeps telling me that his Buick is the best, most reliable car he has ever owned. :p.

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[johntommybob]

An old Volvo commercial used to state that people don't trade cars so much because they want a new one but because they wish to be rid of the one they have. I think there is much truth in that claim.

Still, if you "love" a car enough you will put up with its faults if you derive enough joy, and pride of ownership, in having it. The Corvette is a good example of this for though it is an unreliable car it still enjoys one of the highest owner loyalty scores. Not many cars enjoy such a loyal following or - are worthy of it.

I would never buy a car that has compiled a record of years and years of being unreliable because of a hope that this year they might be getting better. The fact that VW chooses to build their cars in Mexico tells you they have a goal to to build them as cheap as they can. Maybe such cooperate mentality can co-exist with building and delivering a quality, trouble free product, but it hasn't up to now.

I love the way the Jetta drives and feels, but I would never buy one. The day that Consumer Reports starts to recommend them as a good used car bet, maybe I will change my mind.

[jdechko]

'04 VW Passat GL. Fun to drive (tiptronic) but a PITA to maintain. I haven't been the most diligent at maintaining the car, but at 80k miles, its had its fair share of problems. I'll keep it for as long as I can because I can't afford to go out and get another car right now. But when it gets paid off (or paid down enough) I'm trading it in. The Altimas look nice and I'm curious about the CVT.

check out the Nissan Altima Coupe

[kdawg]

I had a 01 Golf GLS. Never again will I buy. Horrible car. Passenger window fell off it's mount the first month I owned the car. I had multiple sensors which failed and contributed to the engine running lean (Check engine light never came on when any of the sensors failed.)

Brakes ran down to the metal only a few weeks after having scheduled service with VW (They were supposed to look at the brakes)

VW: Crappy Cars, Crappy Dealer Service
But Don't take my word for it. Look at their ratings with consumer reports. All of their vehicles rate poor. Even the new 05/06 Jettas, Golfs and Passats rate poor with consumer reports.

I sold my golf in 05 and got a Tacoma ... LOVE THE TACOMA

You said you were looking at the tacoma? You won't be disappointed.

[bousozoku]

As there are probably 5 other threads on VWs throughout MR, I'll re-iterate my experience quickly.

1985 GTI: Gasoline vapour lock in summer, regular maintenance expensive, soft alloy wheels easily damaged, brake rotors short lived.

1986 GTI: Missing weld and incoming water, regular maintenance expensive, brake rotors short lived.

1990 Corrado: Clutch overwhelmed by power, regular maintenance expensive, soft alloy wheels easily damaged. One hot ride--the most stable car I've driven with the factory wheels.

1999 Golf GLS: power window regulators poorly designed but finally repaired 3 years ago, regular maintenance less expensive, less frequent, standard 2.0 litre reliable, air conditioning growls and causes check light.

The latest was the best but after that, apparently VW went crazy with unreliable parts. I can't say that I've had tremendous problems other than the vapour lock and the bent wheels leaving me stranded. The driving experience is such that I've had 4 VWs but the issue with the power window regulators, solved or not, is such that I am seriously considering Mazda or Subaru for the next car. The Audi A3 is likely more reliable than a Golf but then, at the price, it should be. Even if I had $100,000 for a car, I still like smaller cars because there are no pretensions and you don't have to worry about gawkers.

VW seems to be like Apple was in the transition from expensive machines to more economical, more cost effective machines. They've made a few mistakes that a lot of people notice.

[Sun Baked]

You know it is bad when a reliable alternative to a Jetta is a Ford Fusion. :p

Anything to get away from some of the VW dealers which tend to make the VW experience much worse.

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As far as the CVT tranny in the Altima, if you can drive the stick (buy it).

Some of the CVTs have been problematic, so it is worth looking at some of the driver forums to see if it is durable in the vehicle you want.

[Plutonius]

I would not get a VW now.

My previous 3 cars were VWs and I drove them each for over 200,000 miles without too many problems.

My current car is a 2003 Jetta 1.8T and it's been in the shop for repairs more often then the other 3 cars combined.

VW no longer makes quality cars.

[bousozoku]

You know it is bad when a reliable alternative to a Jetta is a Ford Fusion. :p

Anything to get away from some of the VW dealers which tend to make the VW experience much worse.

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As far as the CVT tranny in the Altima, if you can drive the stick (buy it).

Some of the CVTs have been problematic, so it is worth looking at some of the driver forums to see if it is durable in the vehicle you want.

What's so sad is that CVTs are simple. Subaru had one in the Justy and it didn't seem to be a problem. Nissan can mess up anything.

The Ford Fusion is the best American car Mazda could make.

VW dealers without competition certainly make it difficult to want another one.

I asked the service advisor about the problem with the brake rotors wearing out early on the 1986 GTI.

Me: What happened that they went so early? What made them do that?

SA: Your foot.

It was truly an enlightening conversation.

[ErikCLDR]

I really do not like CVT transmissions. I guess you have to get used to them but for me its really annoying not having the car shift and makes it feel not as fun. Also it makes the car feel less powerful. I like clearly defined downshifts. They're just too smooth or something. I'll stick with my 4 or 5 speed auto.

[yg17]

I've never driven a CVT, nor do I know much about them, but isn't it just like one long continuous gear, rather than 4, 5, 6 or whatever clearly defined different gears? Seems like that would really suck.

[bousozoku]

I've never driven a CVT, nor do I know much about them, but isn't it just like one long continuous gear, rather than 4, 5, 6 or whatever clearly defined different gears? Seems like that would really suck.

It's called continuously variable because there aren't any gears. The one I first saw in breakdown had a metal band and a pair of cylinders, one of which could shrink or expand on demand to fit the speed and acceleration. I'd imagine that they've become more complicated in order to keep selling parts but I cannot imagine that they could ever be as complicated as a typical planetary automatic gearbox.

I'm not sure why smooth acceleration, especially on slick surfaces, would suck. Then again, why do so many Honda cars around here sound like a whole herd of Honda cars?

[ErikCLDR]

How To Change A Lighbulb in a VW:

First: Look up keywords in the manual- Headlight, lights, bulbs, etc. Curious, nothing leads to how to change a bulb, just how to turn on your headlights, high beams, turn signals.

Dig a little deeper into the back of the manual where it tells you how you should properly clean your car and how to change your tire and there you will find out how to change a bulb.

A reading from the book of "You're Owner's Literature Touareg"

And VW Said...
""It is becoming increasing more and more difficult to replace vehicle light bulbs since in many cases, other parts of the behicle must first be removed before you are able to get to the bulb. This applies especially to the light bulbs in the front of your vehicle which you can only reach through the engine compartment. For your safety we reccomend that you have your authorized VOLKSWAGEN dealer replace any bulbs for you, since your dealer has necessary tools, the correct bulbs and the expertise."

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

What about a battery for the keyless entry?
"The remote transmitter and the batteries are located in the key. The receiver for the signal is inside the passenger compartment. Your authorized VOLKSWAGEN dealer can change the batteries for you."

The oil changing section is quite interesting. It tells you that need to change it on a regular basis, to avoid skin contact with oil, oil is poisonous, to dispose of it safely, and they recommend that you have your oil changed at an "authorized VOLKSWAGEN dealer".

[sicrado]

Ive owned...

95 GTI vr6
92 GTI 16v
95 Jetta 2.0
93.5 Corrado (know what that is?)

Every single one of them (except for the jetta which was given to me by a friend when my 16v was broken) was HORRIBLE on maintenance.... Not that the wouldn't start, but that everything STUPID would break on them (sunroof, dash lights, window regulators, coolant system hoses/thermostats, wheel bearings)

Dont get me wrong they are FUN AS HELLLL to drive, and I just recently had to sell my DREAM car (the corrado) but if you do buy a VAG car, make sure you have another DAILY DRIVER that you can drive when the vw is broken. And I will say the MKIV & V's (newer ones, years 2000+) have more fancy electrical **** in them , which means more fancy $$ electrical **** that breaks

[ErikCLDR]

Our Touareg just had to go in for service because I was driving it and all of a sudden the oil light started blinking. The LCD on the dash went blank said STOP! in big red letters and the car was dinging like crazy. I slowed down and it said "Check Oil Pressure, see manual" or something like that.

The oil has been changed religiously in this car. Apparently it was some sensor within the engine broke.

I think VW used to make good cars, but the ones made within at least the past 7 years or so suck. I have many family members that have hated their experience with them.

[twistedlegato]

check out the Nissan Altima Coupe

Seconded. It is simply amazing (the exterior). The interior aint to hot, but it has push-button ignition:D

[nikopolidis]

Well, my friend, it is generally accepted that Japan cars are the most reliable ones.

German ones look as a more doubtful choice by this criteria.
Let me tell you my story.
In May 2005 I've purchased Audi A4 2002 year of issue in Official Dealer's store. I was sure that this car is nice and there is no need to check if it is good.
But I was disappointed because I found out that it has some serious problems with it's engine and I invested huge amount of money and eventually got rid of it. There was no any guarantee from Official dealers because it was second-hand. I even wrote a complaint message in Germany.

That was my great disappointment in German cars. After that I've bought Honda Civic VII 1.6 2004 year of issue. And it's really great! Surely, no doubt that German vehicles has better ergonomic (interior) characteristics but they are inferior to Japan's ones in reliability.

So, my conclusion: if you are looking for reliability, choose Japan car!

[da2005pizimp]

I must agree with what everyone is saying about japanese cars being the most reliable, i had 2 older honda civcs that were not in good condition but they still drove pretty darn well. I have also owned a 99 passat and there was one problem with it and it cost more than it would have if it were a japanese or american car.

[gescom]

My wife and I had a lease on a Jetta for 4 years and I have to say it is a great car for the first 3 but dropped off a cliff in reliability in the 4th year. All sorts of little things like radio knobs and such would break all of the sudden. I liked the car but I couldn't see owning one again for that long. We renewed to another and so far so good but this one is for 3 years rather than 4! :D

[KilGil27]

they're not the most reliable cars in the world, but that in part helped me to become more independent with fixing my car. I didn't just run to the dealership every time a light came on or I heard a noise anymore. It was cheaper, taught me a lot about cars, and feels a lot better to fix something yourself. If you do go with the vw, check out vwvortex.com, I got a lot of help from people over there

[carlgo]

^^ great.

So I'm just confused, how can a "Japanese" car (The tundra I might buy is made 20mins from my house...) be that much better than a "German" car (which is made somewhere else in the US)?

No, no, no. It does not matter where a car is made. All that matters is the design and the materials specified. If it is a good design and the materials are of the appropriate quality, the vehicle will be exactly the same wherever it is made.

They are all assembled the same way. If the hole is in the right place, then the bolt is too and the part assembles perfectly, every time everywhere. It does not matter if a car is assembled in Germany, the US, Bangladesh, it doesn't matter.

Assemblers do not whittle parts out of blocks of metal or shape sheets of metal. They simply assemble and they are given no choices as to how to do that. The powered wrenches are set for the correct torque, the holes are in the right place and tab A goes into slot A.

If a VW is not as reliable as a Toyota, it is because VW's design is inferior and/or they specified less appropriate materals, alloys, etc.

If you switched employees from one plant to another the results would be exactly the same.

What is variable is the price they charge for the car, its replacement parts and to service it. If Brand A is more reliable, the replacement parts are less and the service costs are less, then Brand B will obviously suffer by comparison.

And, as we all know, the badge on the car has a lot to do with its price and cost to own, even if all else is equal.

[walangij]

No, no, no. It does not matter where a car is made. All that matters is the design and the materials specified. If it is a good design and the materials are of the appropriate quality, the vehicle will be exactly the same wherever it is made.

They are all assembled the same way. If the hole is in the right place, then the bolt is too and the part assembles perfectly, every time everywhere. It does not matter if a car is assembled in Germany, the US, Bangladesh, it doesn't matter.

Assemblers do not whittle parts out of blocks of metal or shape sheets of metal. They simply assemble and they are given no choices as to how to do that. The powered wrenches are set for the correct torque, the holes are in the right place and tab A goes into slot A.

If a VW is not as reliable as a Toyota, it is because VW's design is inferior and/or they specified less appropriate materals, alloys, etc.

If you switched employees from one plant to another the results would be exactly the same.

What is variable is the price they charge for the car, its replacement parts and to service it. If Brand A is more reliable, the replacement parts are less and the service costs are less, then Brand B will obviously suffer by comparison.

And, as we all know, the badge on the car has a lot to do with its price and cost to own, even if all else is equal.

One factor we must remember is the design of the car, most VW cars are not designed for our roads which are sub-par in comparison to other western countries. This accounts for a lot of rattles and such that many VAG users experience. As with the quality control , VAG has been improving as have all car companies in recent years. If you want reliable, check out a domestic they are decent. Imports from Japan are considered to be more reliable, but in my experience they are the same as any domestic my family has owned (new or used).

Its also personal choice, I chose because my car is so much fun to drive, torque all throughout the range, the japanese cars in the same class are high revving low torque cars that are just too teen.

they're not the most reliable cars in the world, but that in part helped me to become more independent with fixing my car. I didn't just run to the dealership every time a light came on or I heard a noise anymore. It was cheaper, taught me a lot about cars, and feels a lot better to fix something yourself. If you do go with the vw, check out vwvortex.com, I got a lot of help from people over there

This is very true, taught me a lot, and if I could choose again I'd make the same choice, and the Tex is a great place.

[jaydub]

I've owned four VWs. Never again.

I always say "volkswagen reliability" is an oxymoron... like jumbo shrimp.

[nikopolidis]

No, no, no. It does not matter where a car is made. All that matters is the design and the materials specified. If it is a good design and the materials are of the appropriate quality, the vehicle will be exactly the same wherever it is made.

I quite disagree with you. Many car specialists say that American cars are often worse than European ones. Moreover, sometimes they absolutely different. Let's take Honda Civic.
European Civic has 1.6 engine, American one is 1.7. The have different interiors as well (there is no original radio-recorder in European one).
When I was choosing Honda Civic only among Europeans cars.

My mum has Toyota Matrix from USA. Not far ago we had serious problems with cardan shaft.

I would be glad if I and many car experts are wrong in our conviction that USA cars are worse than European ones. :cool:

Another interesting fact. Do you now that the Japaneses don't exploit they cars more than 3 (or 5?) years? :)

[Naimfan]

I was one of those who got sucked into the whole VW driving experience thing. I've gone through a '90 Golf, '92 Passat, '95 Jetta, a '96 Jetta, a '99 Passat, and a 2000 Jetta TDI. I didn't own the '90 Golf or the 92 Passat long enough for them to develop any problems, but except for the 99 Passat, every other one was a disaster--each in their own way. The '95 Jetta was terrific until it hit 60K, at which point it would simply turn off at random. The dealer and two independent shops couldn't figure out why. Ditto the '96 Jetta. The 2000 TDI was also fine until 60K, and then it literally started falling apart.

Combining all the anecdotal stories with the available data, VW's reliability is about as poor as it gets. So if you can get a Toyota at a discount, do it. You will save yourself a ton of money and endless aggravation.

[jjmaximum]

It is funny how others have stated they hate VWs yet say their last 4 cars were all VWs...there must be reasons for this, and they are:

They drive the best
Fit and finish is superior
Leading technology
Resale value
Comfort

The reason German cars are always on the 'unreliable' list is because they are always using new technology and are pushing forward, where the Japanese wait for proven technology and then under-engineer the cars performance (see BMW 7 vs. Lexus LS timeline of features).

I drive a 2002 BMW 745Li and have had features being heavily marketed in 2008 as being 'new' such as push button start, air conditioned seats, voice commands, etc. I've had these features for SIX years. The car has been to the dealer 11 times (avg. twice/year) for either scheduled maintenance or a repair. It is covered by a 6 yr/100K bumper to bumper warranty so all work was free. I consider this very acceptable given the sophistication of the vehicle.

My wife drives a 2008 VW Eos which she's had for over 6 months and it has been flawless - not been to dealer yet.

The best rule is to never buy a first year model of any car.

[decksnap]

They drive the best
Fit and finish is superior
Leading technology
Resale value
Comfort



I wouldn't agree with most of that. Golfs drive nice, most others don't. The fit and finish is CLEARLY not superior at all. VW interiors are really about middle of the road, and I expect this to continue to go downhill with all the cost cutting. Comfort? Really? :rolleyes:

[yg17]

I wouldn't agree with most of that. Golfs drive nice, most others don't. The fit and finish is CLEARLY not superior at all. VW interiors are really about middle of the road, and I expect this to continue to go downhill with all the cost cutting. Comfort? Really? :rolleyes:


My GTI has the best interior out of any other cars in it's price range. Other cars just felt cheap.

[decksnap]

My GTI has the best interior out of any other cars in it's price range. Other cars just felt cheap.

Clearly that's subjective. But in general, I stick to what I wrote.

[SpooledupRacing]

Volkswagens are good mechanically.. as far as suspension or electrical the germans have ALWAYS had probelms...

electrical and germans mix like oil and water...

suspension parts fail sooner because they use REAL RUBBER instead of neoprene because rubber gives a better nicer ride where neoprean is a bit stiffer but last for EVER...

Japaneese cars have always been made of a good standard... toyotas will last well into 300K... Hondas will see 300K Mazdas now will see 250K-300K

I work at a high line import car part store... I sell control arms for VW's MANY times a day.. we stock 3-4 or each arm because of this.


Why do europeans drink warm beer.........























because their refridgerators are made by Lucas.

[mrJnC]

I have a 2000 Golf GLS TDI, 120k+ miles. While it has had some reliability problems, thanks to the power of the internet, every one was a known issue and the parts/fixes were sourced easily enough. However, I'm not sure I'd recommend the car to someone not comfortable with the history of it's quirks and how to deal with them.

A short list:
Relay 109, main power relay, flawed from the factory. Replaced with improved relay, $19. *
Bosch MAF, flawed from the factory (affected cars other than VW too). Replaced with Pierburg MAF. $150. *
Broken power window lifts. 2x. Both were warranty. VW extended the warranty associated with this. *
Block temp sensor. 2x. $60?
N75 vacuum valve. $80
Glow plug wiring harness. $25?
Miscellaneous electrical switch recalls.
*VW later warrantied/recalled these items.

To me, this isn't horrendous by any means. And I have two issues associated with getting rid of the car.
1) I get 45 mpg in town, 50+ on trips. Best mileage was 58 mpg to the beach. So it's been efficient despite escalating diesel prices.
2) The car is chipped and when the turbo kicks in, I can keep up with most anything on the road (without downshifting!) from 50-70 mph. It's hard to find a comparable economy car with as much torque on demand.

[blairwillis]

I've had two ex-girlfriends that bought VWs and then slept with a friend. In retrospect, good riddance. The VWs carried them away.

So yes, I'd suggest a VW if you need to move some trash. :cool:

[blairwillis]

In addition, I'm always surprised by the number of "hippies" that swear by VWs (busses and bugs). They have terrible emissions and aren't what I'd consider a "green" vehicle. (And I know many people who did the VW-hippie thing and were all about saving the earth.) However, I will say I do have some respect for keeping a machine working for years and years for simple transportation, versus the modern disposable automobile.

Yes, I drive a new car. Yes I'll trade it in in another year.

And yes, I did always want a VW bus but never got around to it.

I say, if you're really going to "get back to the earth," then WALK. <jk> ;)

[Naimfan]

They drive the best
Fit and finish is superior
Leading technology
Resale value
Comfort



And that's why YOU drive a BMW (I do as well).

I disagree with all of your points, recognizing they are all subjective.

[JOEDIRT]

I used to own a 02 tdi golf, great car went it came to fuel consumption, was very good in the snow, low torque, and handled pretty good BUT. It was constantly in the shop for repairs, the money i saved on fuel went to the mechanic.

Eventually i couldnt handle the stress anymore...so i sold it and bought a Subaru. Best vehicle ive every owned, this thing is "bullet proof"

Since I live in Canada, winter driving has become a treat! I actually get stoked when it snows. AWD rules! The Japanese take the cake, and set the benchmark

[aquajet]

The reason German cars are always on the 'unreliable' list is because they are always using new technology and are pushing forward

How do you explain the less than stellar CR reliability ratings for VW's "lesser" offerings over the last decade? I've had two MKIII Jettas and my current '99 Beetle (they all were hand-me-downs, that's the only reason why I had them). Nothing is particularly revolutionary about any of these cars, yet they rate among the worst. When my Beetle was purchased new in '99, its drivetrain was already nearly a decade old. Maybe it's time you consider that some of these German companies are out to make a buck and are willing to cut their costs as much as they can get away with.

[ryannel2003]

To be honest, Toyota isn't so hot right now. The '07 Camry V6 and Tundra was taken off CR's Recommended list. It seems they have gotten arrogant with becoming #1, and have started putting out cut-rate products (kinda like the General was doing in the 80's, but not to that extent). However, it seems like VW is starting to make some strides in the reliability department. A girl at my school with an '06 Passat 1.8T says she's had very few problems. However, a friend of mine had a '03 New Beetle that was in the shop quite often. Same with my other friend and her '03 Jetta GLX; VW is a really fun do drive car, but I just don't get that quality feeling when sitting inside one. I mean, when I touch the mirror and it falls off in my hand, that isn't something that would reassure me about the quality of the car.

[Carl Spackler]

Darn, its just the toyota's aren't as fun to drive.

Have you considered the Mazda3 hatchback? Well priced, reliable, loved by many (http://www.edmunds.com/mazda/mazda3/2008/review.html)and terribly fun to drive.

We drove a "Method" edition Matrix that has a slightly better suspension and all-wheel disc brakes vs. the regular Matrix. It was fine, but paled in camparison to the Mazda3, which was a bit cheaper than the Toyota after dropped in all the options to bring it up to a standard Mazda3.

The only real advantage to the Toyota was the MPG and visibility.

[davemonvw]

I have had VW's for 36 years. Every kind, from Karmen Gia, bug, Jetta to Passats. You NEVER buy one for reliability. I lived though the bad coils fiasco, I have had oil seals fail in the first 1000 miles, I have had windows fail, I now have a blower fan in a 2006 passat that sounds like a bird chirping when I take a left turn. But, once you get pass the first year they can settle down and can last a long time. They sure are fun though. I can not belive I am considering one for my daughter! They seem hypnotize me once I get behind the wheel. Test drive the 2009 GTI and you will see what I mean.

[InvalidUserID]

My Touareg is holding up nicely with over 65,000 miles on it.

[doubleohseven]

My Mum owns a '07 Golf TDI 2.0, and the only problem we've had with it was that the brake light on the right stopped working. This was easily fixed by replacing the light bulb, which my Dad did. Another problem with it is that the horn is hard to press; you've got to literally bang the wheel, in hope that the airbag doesn't come out. :rolleyes:

[yg17]

I have had VW's for 36 years. Every kind, from Karmen Gia, bug, Jetta to Passats. You NEVER buy one for reliability. I lived though the bad coils fiasco, I have had oil seals fail in the first 1000 miles, I have had windows fail, I now have a blower fan in a 2006 passat that sounds like a bird chirping when I take a left turn. But, once you get pass the first year they can settle down and can last a long time. They sure are fun though. I can not belive I am considering one for my daughter! They seem hypnotize me once I get behind the wheel. Test drive the 2009 GTI and you will see what I mean.
Yup, I love my 2008 GTI.

As of last Friday, I've had it for a year and the only problem so far was that my Sirius radio that came with the car decided to stop working. Dealer replaced it for me under warranty. Not a big deal at all

[jaydub]

Yup, I love my 2008 GTI.

As of last Friday, I've had it for a year and the only problem so far was that my Sirius radio that came with the car decided to stop working. Dealer replaced it for me under warranty. Not a big deal at all

A year of ownership is hardly long enough to determine a car's long-term reliability.

[Big-TDI-Guy]

Let me open by saying I'm not afraid of a wrench.

Been driving VWs (of my own) for over 8 years now. On page 2 of this thread someone mentioned the fun factor wearing off. It hasn't. Still love driving them.

Have a 2000 GTI VR6 and a 2002 Golf TDI.

Window-regulator issues aside, they've been fine. As for the window regulators, VW offered a type of silent recall (7 year / 70k on them) - and my last repair I used metal clips. So no longer an issue.

Since being out of warranty - both cars have been fine. Yeah, imagine that. :eek:

[yg17]

A year of ownership is hardly long enough to determine a car's long-term reliability.

Of course not, but if a car is going to be a complete lemon, you'd probably know by the end of the year.

[me_94501]

My mom's 2004 Jetta (about 25k miles) is holding up pretty well. So far aside from replacing the battery and a taillight bulb she's only had to bring it in for have regular maintenance.

In addition, I'm always surprised by the number of "hippies" that swear by VWs (busses and bugs). They have terrible emissions and aren't what I'd consider a "green" vehicle.
To be honest I'm a little surprised VW hasn't yet offered a hybrid.

[Big-TDI-Guy]

VW is one of the worlds leaders in Diesels. They've been putting the R&D into "clean diesel technology". Unlike many of their competitors.

But, once they realize Diesel engines have great sex with Electric motors - we'll get some nice 90+ mpg cars coming alone. (that actually have space inside) :eek:

[Frisco]

VWs are so unreliable. Even more so than American cars. They are complete nightmares. Stay away!!

[dmr727]

My mom's 2004 Jetta (about 25k miles) is holding up pretty well.

Wow - she doesn't drive that thing much at all!

[danny_w]

The only VW that I have ever owned was an '83 Rabbit. It was great and a lot of fun when it ran well, but keeping it running well was difficult and expensive. VW (at least back then) still required all work done on the car during the warranty period to be performed by the dealer or the warranty was voided; this got to be very expensive very fast. The required (scheduled) maintenance was also much worse than other cars (and much more expensive - $275 for a valve adjustment at I believe 15K miles). But as I said, it was one of the most fun cars I have ever driven when it ran well. I was considering a Jetta TDI for my next car in a few years, but this thread may have just dissuaded me, since it seems that their reliability hasn't improved.

[jaydub]

Of course not, but if a car is going to be a complete lemon, you'd probably know by the end of the year.

My 2000 Jetta VR6 waited three years to start failing window regulator clips and changeover valves. I went through six of the former, and two of the latter in 30k miles of ownership.

[MattG]

I've had my Jetta for just over 2 years now, just broke 40,000 miles. It's been a great car, lots of fun reliable. The only problems I've had have been very minor, and actually very similar to issues I had with my last Toyota (all related to the interior of the car).

[ErikCLDR]

My Touareg is holding up nicely with over 65,000 miles on it.

Really.

We have an 05 Touareg V8 that is pretty much loaded and it has been a nightmare. It has like 50,000 miles and is under warranty until 65k but its still a pain to bring it to the dealer. Everything from CV joints to CD player to the trunk lock mechanism to the CD player to the Air Suspension air bags and compressor dying, to the fuel pump failing, to the starter failing, to the ABS system screwing up, to power steering leaks, to the strips of headlining around the windows falling off, to the fuel injectors clogging etc, etc etc. Oh yeah it goes through light bulbs faster than you can replace them.

It actually hasn't been too bad lately now that everything but the frame has been replaced. My dad's coworker has a Touareg that eats through tires every 10,000 miles or so. They are great cars, fun to drive, comfortable, nice interior. The only things I don't like them are the poor rearward visibility, the atrocious navigation system, and the reliability.

I know a lot of people who have purchased VW's and sold them within 2-3 years because of reliability. Most of these people are Passat owners.

I think it says a lot when most of the mechanics and service people at the VW dealer don't actually own VW's.

[mynameisraj]

I know people who've owned VW's and they have had tons of problems with them.

If you want a reliable Volkswagen, spring for a lambo :D

But I would go the Toyota route

[NightFlight]

My Touareg is holding up nicely with over 65,000 miles on it.

Wow, that is a huge suprise.

Personal experiences aside, VWs are a nightmare as are their Audi counterparts. FOUR VW products have been LEMONED where I work. Two Touaregs, a Jetta, and an A4 all were problematic enough to be lemoned.

My friends sister had a 2000 Jetta GLX for two years that was bought new and it was a terrible car. It was at the dealer twice for a transmission issue for three weeks that could not be diagnosed and VW refused to do anything about it, took it to a different dealer and same story. It constantly had electrical issues and some which prevented the vehicle from starting.

One of my best friends has a 2006 GTI and it too has electrical problems and rattles like a mid 90's Cavalier.

I would never buy a VW product, for every positive story I hear about one I hear five more people complaining that have direct experience. Someone else mentioned that Consumer Reports has already proven that they are unreliable, so arguing that they are doesn't really make sense since they survey thousands of owners...