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MacRumors
Aug 6, 2007, 11:17 AM
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Apple's .Mac site (http://www.mac.com) warns users that the .Mac service will be undergoing maintenance on August 7th between 10 AM an 12 PM PDT.
Due to scheduled maintenance, .Mac members might be intermittently unable to access some .Mac services from 10 AM to 12 PM PDT on 08/07/2007. We apologize for any inconvenience.
Coincidentally, this time corresponds exactly to Apple's Media Event which is scheduled to take place on August 7th at 10AM PDT.

Steve Jobs had hinted (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/05/30/bill-gates-and-steve-jobs-interviewed-at-all-things-digital/) that .Mac would see a refresh in the near future during a recent interview.
Walt: .Mac... you guys didn't really develop it.
Steve: I couldn't agree more, and we'll make up for lost time in the near future

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/06/mac-update-coming-at-august-7th-media-event/)



Lone Deranger
Aug 6, 2007, 11:18 AM
Just what I've been hoping for.... and about time too! :cool:

FF_productions
Aug 6, 2007, 11:20 AM
Thank GOD.

.Mac really needs an update!


If I get this job with Apple, I'm getting .Mac for free. :D

Twinkie
Aug 6, 2007, 11:20 AM
In before ".Mac costs too much, I have this dirt cheap hosting company, and blah blah blah" whiners :D

kddpop
Aug 6, 2007, 11:20 AM
i was a .mac user back when it was free and called "itools"

i have since jumped ship due to storage expense. but i am missing some of the features that .mac brings.

it would take an awful lot of included storage for me to get back on board. here's hoping...

~kyle

Eduardo1971
Aug 6, 2007, 11:20 AM
For those of use who buy the .mac service: "it is about time Apple!"

My renewal is in September, so hopefully it will be worth it.

pdpfilms
Aug 6, 2007, 11:20 AM
About time! This service has juuuuust about lost its worth for me. Can't wait to see what Steve's got up his sleeve.

timnosenzo
Aug 6, 2007, 11:21 AM
It would be nice to see .Mac updated! Let's hope this happens--and lets also hope this doesn't screw up my email for too long tomorrow. :cool:

samh004
Aug 6, 2007, 11:22 AM
I know it'll be brought up, but I'd really like it if an update wasn't to add better iPhone support. As a .Mac user I'd be really pissed if it was along those lines.

But really, is this just bad timing or is it really going to be updated. Probably about due for some sort of update I guess.

timnosenzo
Aug 6, 2007, 11:22 AM
In before ".Mac costs too much, I have this dirt cheap hosting company, and blah blah blah" whiners :D

Ahhh yes, 'tis just a matter of time. ;)

Rychiar
Aug 6, 2007, 11:23 AM
i dropped mine over a year ago and havent missed a thing aside from losing my damn email address which was insane considering it was a free email to start. .mac was def a failed experiment once it started costing:rolleyes:

superleccy
Aug 6, 2007, 11:24 AM
.Mac needs just one improvement: it needs to be "not rubbish".

SL

Grimace
Aug 6, 2007, 11:29 AM
10GB storage capacity per user
Integration with Time Machine
Easier photo/video sharing/uploading interface
iPhone integration
More sync between multiple computers (Win/Mac)

Let's see it Apple!

syklee26
Aug 6, 2007, 11:29 AM
what .Mac needs are following:

1. increased speed

2. increased storage - for $99 suite it is really skimpy on storage. considering gmail gives you 2gb for free, I am expecting more than 2gb on $99 suite.

and what I wish new .Mac would bring are following:

1. lower price - $69.99 is reasonable IMO

2. more .Mac exclusives - last time .Mac had an exclusive was that free podcast loops. that was like almost a year ago too. what da heck happened to .Mac exclusive widgets?

3. web 2.0 such as word processor / note / spreadsheet type of feature.

badcrumble
Aug 6, 2007, 11:30 AM
Please let .mac be folded into iLife

Dimwhit
Aug 6, 2007, 11:31 AM
I don't have .Mac, but I'm going to buy an iMac soon. If they make it attractive enough, I'll certainly plunk down the money for it.

Agathon
Aug 6, 2007, 11:33 AM
Well, it just messed up my contacts.

Good start. ;)

alywa
Aug 6, 2007, 11:33 AM
I still think .Mac is going to be the gateway to an iTMS movie subscription system... working basically like a queue does for netflix... having your downloaded movies partially ready using .Mac.

Who knows... it seems to have a lot of potential, but has never really been utilized to the fullest.

mtrctyjoe
Aug 6, 2007, 11:34 AM
OK - I could care LESS about iCards but update .Mac PLEEZZZZ :)

pgwalsh
Aug 6, 2007, 11:35 AM
Perhaps there will be two versions of .Mac. I could see a text based ad supported version, something with google ads. Then perhaps a much more robust version that's fee based.

motulist
Aug 6, 2007, 11:36 AM
The amount of GB of space .mac offers has absolutely nothing to do with if the vast majority of people want .mac or not because the free services out there already give them way more than they can use.

ipodG8TR
Aug 6, 2007, 11:37 AM
Yeah, I know I'm in the minority, and .Mac does desperately need an upgrade. But, there's one feature that makes it worth it for me -- syncing. .Mac keeps my home and work computers in sync (Safari bookmarks, address book, etc) and that alone is worth every penny.

I'd love to see a storage increase, price drop and more, but until then I'll continue to buy a boxed copy off Amazon or eBay for about $59. Because it makes more sense than renewing online for $79. Go figure!

GotPro
Aug 6, 2007, 11:38 AM
THANK GOD!

I've been shelling out $99 a year... and it's starting to get reallll old for the value.

My renewal is in October... and I had been 1/2 way thinking about just pulling out altogether.

gusapple
Aug 6, 2007, 11:38 AM
I don't have .Mac, but I'm going to buy an iMac soon. If they make it attractive enough, I'll certainly plunk down the money for it.

I totally agree with that, I'm getting an iMac soon as well, and if they still have the "Save 30 bucks when buying a mac" sale then i'll give the money for it.

j/k/Andy
Aug 6, 2007, 11:39 AM
i was a .mac user back when it was free and called "itools" ~kyle

me too, unfortunately I can not get my username back (forgot the pw) with a new .mac account :(

hh83917
Aug 6, 2007, 11:40 AM
Yes, and also Please Please speed it up...it simply loads too slow compared to the alternatives out there. :mad:

bravedeer
Aug 6, 2007, 11:40 AM
Hopefully that also means iLife update!

GregND
Aug 6, 2007, 11:41 AM
I'm happy to see .Mac updates. Strange, though - I just tried to log in to the .Mac web page and it says my username is invalid. I have no problems using my mail with mail.app or syncing, or anything else. I just can't log in to the web page.

belovedmonster
Aug 6, 2007, 11:41 AM
I don't understand why they don't make .Mac free for anyone with a Mac. What better way to keep people locked into the Mac platform by having people be avid users of a new improved .Mac.

Agathon
Aug 6, 2007, 11:42 AM
Yeah, I know I'm in the minority, and .Mac does desperately need an upgrade. But, there's one feature that makes it worth it for me -- syncing. .Mac keeps my home and work computers in sync (Safari bookmarks, address book, etc) and that alone is worth every penny.

Agreed. At present it is the price of 2 cups of coffee a week.

I need my work and home machines synchronized, and .mac is the best option.

hyperpasta
Aug 6, 2007, 11:43 AM
Hopefully that also means iLife update!

Exactly. If iLife is being updated, then iWeb is being updated. And if iWeb is being updated, .Mac will probably need to be updated to support it.

.Mac may or may not see new features in this update... this may just be for the purpose of compatibility. Steve Jobs may have been referring to Leopard's "Back to My Mac" feature when he talked about how .Mac was going to see improvements.

That said, there may be a larger update to .Mac as well.

blybug
Aug 6, 2007, 11:43 AM
.Mac is the obvious missing piece of the puzzle for iPhone syncing nirvana...WiFi/EDGE calendar syncing to the iPhone without the need to return and physically plug into to a home base computer would complete the circle.

Similarly .Mac could be the middle-man for a number of computer-to-phone or computer-to-computer transactions, including iTMS purchases, remote control of computer, file transfers, streaming of iTunes library to other authorized computers/iPhones...

This may also be the right time to open up .Mac to Windows users in order to provide them with the same seamlessness of all the above potential services.

willybNL
Aug 6, 2007, 11:43 AM
In before ".Mac costs too much, I have this dirt cheap hosting company, and blah blah blah" whiners :D

You forgot to note that it's (hopefully was) slow too... Some EU mirror's are welcome guys!

Mostly I guess not the fault of their servers, but from the EU it's just to far.

Compare:

5 0.so-6-0-0.xr1.sara.xs4all.net (194.109.5.2) 10.488 ms 10.016 ms 10.751 ms
6 core1.ams.net.google.com (195.69.144.247) 10.390 ms 9.527 ms 9.943 ms
7 209.85.248.93 (209.85.248.93) 10.499 ms 209.85.248.95 (209.85.248.95) 10.056 ms 10.068 ms
8 64.233.175.246 (64.233.175.246) 13.108 ms 13.323 ms 72.14.232.141 (72.14.232.141) 13.203 ms
9 72.14.233.81 (72.14.233.81) 13.708 ms 12.748 ms 13.461 ms
10 209.85.249.133 (209.85.249.133) 19.841 ms 216.239.43.30 (216.239.43.30) 15.431 ms 216.239.43.34 (216.239.43.34) 22.045 ms
11 nf-in-f99.google.com (64.233.183.99) 13.615 ms 13.875 ms 14.342 ms

with

5 0.so-6-0-0.xr1.sara.xs4all.net (194.109.5.2) 10.488 ms 10.016 ms 10.751 ms
6 gsr12416.ams.he.net (195.69.145.150) 19.973 ms 12.643 ms 12.430 ms
7 10gigabitethernet5-3.core1.ash1.he.net (72.52.92.97) 106.662 ms 112.314 ms 106.849 ms
8 10gigabitethernet1-4.core1.pao1.he.net (72.52.92.29) 181.314 ms 181.433 ms 183.797 ms
9 66.160.158.241 (66.160.158.241) 209.295 ms 187.585 ms 182.333 ms
10 gige-g7-0.gsr12416.fmt.he.net (216.218.217.181) 183.657 ms 182.292 ms 182.173 ms

gusapple
Aug 6, 2007, 11:44 AM
Hopefully that also means iLife update!

I think it is safe to say that it is, I mean it seems that iLife is very connected to .mac that it would be stupid to update one without the other. (iweb is a big hint)

tgildred
Aug 6, 2007, 11:46 AM
I don't understand why they don't make .Mac free for anyone with a Mac. What better way to keep people locked into the Mac platform by having people be avid users of a new improved .Mac.

Like the iTunes/iPod ecosystem.

I'm willing to pay, though, if the features are right. I do think the update---whenever it happens---is going to be big. Real big.

fastbite
Aug 6, 2007, 11:46 AM
Yes, too slow and not enough space. It feels to me that I'm and been using .mac because I'm an idiot. So let's hope for the best

AdeFowler
Aug 6, 2007, 11:46 AM
I love .mac and my mac.com email address in particular. Can't wait for the update.

ortuno2k
Aug 6, 2007, 11:48 AM
I rely on .Mac for my emails and to keep my contacts synchronized, and I'm really hoping for a nice update! This is great news.

gusapple
Aug 6, 2007, 11:49 AM
Like the iTunes/iPod ecosystem.

I'm willing to pay, though, if the features are right. I do think the update---whenever it happens---is going to be big. Real big.

I agree, but here is an idea that is way far out, but possibly, Apple offers having a .mac account for free that includes only like email and icards, then you can pay for an upgrade that has all of the features.

MrCrowbar
Aug 6, 2007, 11:49 AM
Time Machine over .Mac anyone?

Imagine your data is backed up to some Apple server or the main data center in your company. Might clog your upload bandwidth but would be cool for sure, provided the encryption worked well enough.

mr_matalino
Aug 6, 2007, 11:49 AM
Free @mac.com email?

ipodG8TR
Aug 6, 2007, 11:49 AM
.Mac also works great whenever I need to borrow a company laptop for a business trip. I setup .Mac under System Prefs and sync all my content for the road.

It would be nice to sync complete users, but that would require lots of space and time. My iTunes library alone is 42GB.

longofest
Aug 6, 2007, 11:50 AM
The only complaint I have with Apple's iLife/.Mac is that it doesn't play well enough with Mac OS X Server. I have a Mac OS X Server setup, and I wish iWeb had a better way of publishing to it rather than only to .Mac.

That being said, I'm sure I'm in the minority on that one...

Squire
Aug 6, 2007, 11:50 AM
THANK GOD!

I've been shelling out $99 a year... and it's starting to get reallll old for the value.

My renewal is in October... and I had been 1/2 way thinking about just pulling out altogether.

I'm in the same boat. I was thinking of polishing up the ol' Gmail account and not renewing. If I had a newer Mac and iWeb, I might not feel the same way. And, as someone else mentioned, if they'd throw us the odd bone. I got plenty of mileage out of Marble Blast and the free GarageBand loops, for example. Now? Don't know. (Mine is set to renew on Aug. 22 so the timing is juuuust right.)

-Squire

syklee26
Aug 6, 2007, 11:50 AM
i wonder if hell will break loose if there is no other update from Apple except .Mac. 2 hours of .mac presentation that is. and if that happens, I am selling my AAPL stock.

boxlight
Aug 6, 2007, 11:50 AM
Please, Steve -- PLEASE make .Mac free!

Everything .Mac offers is free elsewhere on the internet, but I want to use .Mac because it integrates with my Mac nicer -- but it's just not worth $99 a year to me. Please make it free!

boxlight

dejo
Aug 6, 2007, 11:50 AM
I'm always amused at the people who say "Why should I pay $99 a year for .Mac when I can get the same services elsewhere for $8.95 a month?" ;)

zim
Aug 6, 2007, 11:51 AM
just set my account to auto update in October, would welcome any additions... such as larger add on accounts. 50MBs of space isn't a whole lot.

bigjohn
Aug 6, 2007, 11:52 AM
more space is definitely necessary as i've almost used up my space just with mail


(or i should clean out the mail)

sinisterdesign
Aug 6, 2007, 11:52 AM
About time! This service has juuuuust about lost its worth for me. Can't wait to see what Steve's got up his sleeve.

couldn't agree more. if i didn't have such a damn good email address i would have dropped it by now, i'm sure (happened to be an employee at the time it launched, so it's just my last name).

i don't expect it to be free, but $99 has gotten pretty steep for what it is. $50 with some new features would be palatable for me.

TheChemist
Aug 6, 2007, 11:52 AM
Can't wait to see what Steve's got up his sleeve.

A big hole in which to drop all your money.

And yes, I am a paying .mac member, at the price they charge, Apple could give us more storage space (or real educational discounts).

:)

cliffjumper68
Aug 6, 2007, 11:53 AM
i was a .mac user back when it was free and called "itools"

i have since jumped ship due to storage expense. but i am missing some of the features that .mac brings.

it would take an awful lot of included storage for me to get back on board. here's hoping...

~kyle

I hope they expand the space in isync because it is way to small.

bobobo
Aug 6, 2007, 11:53 AM
Walt: .Mac... you guys didn't really develop it.
Steve: I couldn't agree more, and we'll make up for lost time in the near future

IIRC this was actually a negative context. Could be wrong. Anyone want to get the rest of the quote?

Shouldn't this be reason maybe not to except iMac updates tomorrow? Apple just said it wasn't about the iPhone or iPods. We understood this as it must be new macs.

There is still much reason to believe it is going to be new iMacs. But don't be shocked if it isn't.

Hairball
Aug 6, 2007, 11:54 AM
I hope there is a major overhaul. Once my free trial ran out, I didn't think having @mac.com for an email address was worth $99 a year.

ipodG8TR
Aug 6, 2007, 11:54 AM
My lunch just cost more than a month of .Mac service. I would rather skip going out to lunch one day a month than give up .Mac.

But that doesn't mean, I'm not hoping for some big improvements.

willybNL
Aug 6, 2007, 11:55 AM
Ow, what do I hear? gMail addon, exchange replacement, 10gb space, 10ms ping times, iLife update, half the price? huh... what where..

(just guessing).

mongoos150
Aug 6, 2007, 11:57 AM
I couldn't care less about .Mac...

Sky Blue
Aug 6, 2007, 11:57 AM
Please let .mac be folded into iLife

This makes a lot of sense...maybe a $99 iLife/.Mac package.

freedevil
Aug 6, 2007, 11:58 AM
Time Machine over .Mac anyone?

Imagine your data is backed up to some Apple server or the main data center in your company. Might clog your upload bandwidth but would be cool for sure, provided the encryption worked well enough.

Hmm yeah with 250gb hard disks these days that will be fun.

MacPossum
Aug 6, 2007, 11:58 AM
My lunch just cost more than a month of .Mac service. I would rather skip going out to lunch one day a month than give up .Mac.

But that doesn't mean, I'm not hoping for some big improvements.

Completely agree. I love my .Mac but yeah, improvements are welcomed :)

thestaton
Aug 6, 2007, 11:59 AM
new .mac will just replace that world class piece of crap web mail that is god awful with gmail :)

I honestly don't think at this time anyone could out due gmail. there is just to much free space, it's so quick & easy, & finally there spam blocking is the best in the business.

so why re-invent the wheel?

I just canceled my .mac about a month ago. If Jobs has a few aces up his sleeve I would come back if it was revolutionary and good bang for the buck.

gusapple
Aug 6, 2007, 12:01 PM
This makes a lot of sense...maybe a $99 iLife/.Mac package.

Oh yeah, it would make more sense.

KingofAwesome
Aug 6, 2007, 12:05 PM
I am not convinced that a .mac update would be compelling for me personally, but I'd still like to see it happen. It's the same with the iMac - I am not in the market for an upgrade since I just got a new one about five months ago, but it would be nice to see something new.

Really, I'm just looking forward to anything new that will cause excitement. I will probably be in the market for a new laptop around the beginning of '08, but I don't expect there to be an update to that line tomorrow.

papaburgundy
Aug 6, 2007, 12:06 PM
There sure is a lot of complaining for a service that you have no obligation to purchase. As always, in America the free market will drive Apple to add features until it meets everyones expectations. Until then, stop whining.

manhattanboy
Aug 6, 2007, 12:07 PM
A big hole in which to drop all your money.

And yes, I am a paying .mac member, at the price they charge, Apple could give us more storage space (or real educational discounts).

:)

LOL!
Apple is always too expensive ad a waste of money.
However, the mac account was great for typing my thesis...never had to worry about my files being stolen:p
I just wish they would give more storage.
What's the point of a music folder or movie folder if you can't store anything in them, seriously?
I constantly max out my storage and have to re drag crap back into one of my computers hard disks...frustratin :mad:.

samh004
Aug 6, 2007, 12:08 PM
.mac was def a failed experiment once it started costing:rolleyes:

Don't they have 1 million users of .Mac ? I wont bother with the math.

10GB storage capacity per user
Integration with Time Machine
Easier photo/video sharing/uploading interface
iPhone integration
More sync between multiple computers (Win/Mac)


All sounds good apart from that iPhone feature, not really very useful to all those users who live outside the US.

2. more .Mac exclusives - last time .Mac had an exclusive was that free podcast loops. that was like almost a year ago too. what da heck happened to .Mac exclusive widgets?

I remember in the first 2 years I was always given incentives to renew, then they just sort of forgot that I was even a member, and I haven't had any new free games, any new software, etc... although they gave me iBlog back in the day and I'm still using that, so that's helpful.

3. web 2.0 such as word processor / note / spreadsheet type of feature.

I can see something like this happening, perhaps through a special google deal ?

This makes a lot of sense...maybe a $99 iLife/.Mac package.

But iLife is free on new macs, are you suggesting free .Mac every time you buy a new mac too ?

MikeDTyke
Aug 6, 2007, 12:09 PM
Well it was mentioned in the last quarter's shareholders call that apple had set aside funds for a product transition.

I think moving .mac as it stands to being free, with say $69 a year for 10-20Gig of .mac storage integrated with backup/time machine would fit that bill.
I know of a few people that'd pay that kinda money to know that all their docs and digital photo's were secure. Plus iWeb and the other ilife/iwork packages that integrate with .mac are currently a bit of a joke when you have to fork out for .mac just to make em work.

For any current payed up members, they'd get the storage included up til end of current year.

edit: Just remembered there was news of a level 2 data centre that Apple bought around this time last year, fill it with xserve RAIDS, some google know how in massive redundant filesystems (GFS) and you'd have an awesome repository for all Mac Users "Precious Things". Apologies to all that don't get that reference, i feel sorry you've never experienced the League!


M.

PubGuy
Aug 6, 2007, 12:09 PM
I use NetFronts as my hosting provider and for $119/year I get 50 POP3 mail accounts, FTP service, free tools, https, etc. I don't see a comparative value justifying $99/year for dot-mac. :cool:

Kaptajn Haddock
Aug 6, 2007, 12:15 PM
I have been holding on using .Mac simply because the features are dated in every aspect, as well as the speed and usability of the thing.

I really hope they will come up with something cool - we all know about the remotecontrol coming with Leopard, but hopefully that isn't everything.

TheChillPill
Aug 6, 2007, 12:16 PM
exchange replacement

That would be worthwhile buying for me (never have subscribed to .mac, so no idea what it's like right now).

I'm desperately trying to move away from having files on my systems, mainly so I can have a few systems in various places and remotely grab things like email etc without having to resort to webmail.

As much as I feel dirty for saying it, Windows Home Server *almost* completely fits the bill for me, minus any kind of email support. Give me exchange-like functionalty with .mac and I'll have exactly the setup I'm looking for.

bearda
Aug 6, 2007, 12:20 PM
Please, Steve -- PLEASE make .Mac free!

Everything .Mac offers is free elsewhere on the internet, but I want to use .Mac because it integrates with my Mac nicer -- but it's just not worth $99 a year to me. Please make it free!

boxlight

I haven't found an effective sync solution to replace .Mac yet. If there's a free replacement for it I'm all ears.

wngraham
Aug 6, 2007, 12:21 PM
Hopefully this will make me not feel so silly for renewing my .mac membership last month.

peterj1967
Aug 6, 2007, 12:23 PM
I think with their "partnership" with Google, there is potential for some really interesting services. Also, I think it would make sense to use Google's back-end services with a much nicer Apple interface through .Mac

Something like this

Full integration of Google Docs and Sheets and iWork. I believe I read somewhere that Google wanted to market an add free version of Docs and Sheets to companies. .Mac would offer that payment and with iWork you would have off line access to everything you need.

I am sure they will improve iWeb, synching and will increase storage, but I think a full blown tie-in with Google, could have some really cool outcomes.

We'll see...

bigmc023
Aug 6, 2007, 12:24 PM
Last week I was putting some files on my iDisk and it was reading a size of 4 Terabytes. . . I was a but shocked and logged off, logged on again and it still was saying the same. I meant to take a screen shot but it skipped my mind. Could it be they would be upping the size?!? Was it just some fluke?!

Ireland
Aug 6, 2007, 12:26 PM
All I really want is a cheaper price, for now.

€99 is a joke, that service should be €29.

Three pricing tiers:
(i) €29 = Mac email address and 2GB storage.
(ii) €49 = Mac email address + more storage (around 10GB or so)
(iii) €99 = Mac email address + a lot more storage + a lot more bandwidth.

($ = $29, $49 & $99)

jericho53
Aug 6, 2007, 12:26 PM
what .Mac needs are following:

1. increased speed

2. increased storage - for $99 suite it is really skimpy on storage. considering gmail gives you 2gb for free, I am expecting more than 2gb on $99 suite.

and what I wish new .Mac would bring are following:

1. lower price - $69.99 is reasonable IMO

2. more .Mac exclusives - last time .Mac had an exclusive was that free podcast loops. that was like almost a year ago too. what da heck happened to .Mac exclusive widgets?

3. web 2.0 such as word processor / note / spreadsheet type of feature.

Did you read my mind?

tribulation
Aug 6, 2007, 12:30 PM
Who knows... it seems to have a lot of potential, but has never really been utilized to the fullest.

Not even to the fullest .01% I'd say. Total junk

Schtumple
Aug 6, 2007, 12:41 PM
10GB storage capacity per user
Integration with Time Machine
Easier photo/video sharing/uploading interface
iPhone integration
More sync between multiple computers (Win/Mac)

Let's see it Apple!

10GB and Time Machine integration would do it for me, that would be perfect, I'm not exactly a major fan of external hard drives, having something like that would be perfect.

stoutboy1
Aug 6, 2007, 12:43 PM
.mac is useless. When 10.5 is released and backup in .mac is useless the whole program wont be worth any money. There are better options (free) out there for everything listed except maybe the sync but you can get apps at more then 1/2 the price that do the same thing.

Make it free / or include it with ilife :D
no one wants to be stuck paying $99 a year for 2gb of email storage/ disk space when you get nearly 3 @ gmail for free.:(

ipodG8TR
Aug 6, 2007, 12:43 PM
I've got $75 in Apple gift cards that I've been waiting to spend.

Will it be an improved .Mac, Leopard in October or something surprisingly new that will make me open my wallet too?

smurfy
Aug 6, 2007, 12:45 PM
Mac OS X Live, anyone? ;)

sonofclaude
Aug 6, 2007, 12:45 PM
Just a thought, but it would be nice if the Leopard Remote Desktop iChat feature which was scrapped showed up as a .Mac feature. I would really like to take control of my fathers Mac when he gets in trouble.

dicklacara
Aug 6, 2007, 12:48 PM
me too, unfortunately I can not get my username back (forgot the pw) with a new .mac account :(

Yes, the design of .mac accounts needs work. I pay for an account for my daughter's family so they could publish stuff about their 3 kids.

But, she is getting a divorce. I called Apple and they said that I could not change the account name. Rather, I would have to let the account expire and start a new one...

...sounds like the system was designed by the same people who designed the 6-digit date fields (in databases) that led to the Y2K fiasco.

On another note, here is a "Big" picture of a MultiTouch GUI, circa 1988...

note the non-standard KB-- prolly leads to TTS (Tarsel Tunnel Syndrom) :(

http://soccer.dynalias.com/iphone/BigPianoKeyboard.jpg

ipodG8TR
Aug 6, 2007, 12:48 PM
First of all, NOBODY should pay full retail for .Mac.

Amazon has .Mac for $79.99 with FREE SHIPPING, and I've seen it cheaper elsewhere. I always buy a boxed version (kind of stupid for a empty box with a code in it) instead of buying directly from Apple. FYI -- the version number doesn't matter; you're paying for 1 year of service!

izzle22
Aug 6, 2007, 12:48 PM
All I really want is a cheaper price, for now.

€99 is a joke, that service should be €29.

Three pricing tiers:
(i) €29 = Mac email address and 2GB storage.
(ii) €49 = Mac email address + more storage (around 10GB or so)
(iii) €99 = Mac email address + a lot more storage + a lot more bandwidth.

($ = $29, $49 & $99)


Well...I'll tell you this, I know they will not make it cheaper. Why? Because first of all I received a notice 2 weeks ago that I was up for renewal and my card would be charged $99 secondly their profits rely on it. Lastly it would be in their best interests to add new features and storage that won't cost them any more and keep the price the same. That way we have more features/storage(making it more appealing to potential buyers and keep the old members) and they keep the profits.

justflie
Aug 6, 2007, 12:50 PM
My subscription expires in 8 days. I hope these updates are pretty awesome. Otherwise, I probably will just go back to gmail.

blankleader
Aug 6, 2007, 12:50 PM
.mac is useless. When 10.5 is released and backup in .mac is useless the whole program wont be worth any money. There are better options (free) out there for everything listed except maybe the sync but you can get apps at more then 1/2 the price that do the same thing.

Make it free / or include it with ilife :D
no one wants to be stuck paying $99 a year for 2gb of email storage/ disk space when you get nearly 3 @ gmail for free.:(

It's far from useless for me. I work from home and as a freelancer at various agencies. Being able to log increasingly complex billable hours with iCal and sync it from several different computers has been a godsend for me and worth the price of admission alone. Invoice time is MUCH easier.

The iDisk has been helpful for similar reasons. Sometimes the sync process is a bit glitchy with it (hope that gets an update), but for the most part it works right.

ipodG8TR
Aug 6, 2007, 12:51 PM
Well...I'll tell you this, I know they will not make it cheaper. Why? Because first of all I received a notice 2 weeks ago that I was up for renewal and my card would be charged $99 secondly their profits rely on it. Lastly it would be in their best interests to add new features and storage that won't cost them any more and keep the price the same. That way we have more features/storage(making it more appealing to potential buyers and keep the old members) and they keep the profits.


Turn off auto-renew and buy a copy from the web. Then, enter the serial number you get in the box. Same thing and you save money!

Wayfarer
Aug 6, 2007, 12:53 PM
I'm looking forward to this long overdue .Mac update. All the signs are definitely pointing to YES... :rolleyes:

Xeno
Aug 6, 2007, 01:08 PM
Nice. I was hoping for this. I just got .Mac for $70 with my MBP, but I haven't even activated it yet.

Tampa Tom
Aug 6, 2007, 01:08 PM
I've had it since OS 8.5 came out and have paid for it even since they started charging for it. I am seriously considering dropping it or going to a simple .mac email account. I see no value for the $99 a year.

p0intblank
Aug 6, 2007, 01:09 PM
I really hope this is true. I want .Mac, but can't justify paying $99 a year for it.

Squonk
Aug 6, 2007, 01:10 PM
Hopefully this will make me not feel so silly for renewing my .mac membership last month.

Ditto with me. :confused:

Just remembered there was news of a level 2 data centre that Apple bought around this time last year, fill it with xserve RAIDS, some google know how in massive redundant filesystems (GFS) and you'd have an awesome repository for all Mac Users "Precious Things".

I have been wondering what :apple: has been doing with that data center? RDF generator expansion? :p

Mac OS X Live, anyone? ;)

Actually, wouldn't that be .MacLive ? :D

Manic Mouse
Aug 6, 2007, 01:10 PM
I just started my 60-day .Mac trial and I must say it's pretty nice. For free. The only features 99% of people will use is address/bookmark synching and the email. Now £70 a year for this is really not worth it when gmail does 80% of it for free.

Apple should have two tiers of .Mac. A free one, competing with gmail et all, with an email address (1-2Gb storage), synching and perhaps another 1-2Gb online storage. The second tier should include much bigger storage (40Gb?) and time machine support. I mean you could buy a 40Gb external drive for the price of .Mac for a year, everything else is pretty much offered by gmail and is free. Synching is a simple piece of software, nothing more.

.Mac simply isn't a cost-effective alternative to gmail/google calendars/google docs etc. Even Steve himself seems to realise that .Mac is pretty poor value for money by his comments to Walt.

izzle22
Aug 6, 2007, 01:12 PM
Turn off auto-renew and buy a copy from the web. Then, enter the serial number you get in the box. Same thing and you save money!

What a pain in the ---. I'd rather auto-renew and pay the extra 10 bucks a year. I don't want to worry about ordering, waiting for shipment, loosing my email address, hassle of entering serial numbers and wondering when it won't work this way. It's like spending a dollar to save a dime.

jonharris200
Aug 6, 2007, 01:12 PM
This is very cool news. I'm expecting to be blown away tomorrow by new iMacs and new .Mac - with the latter being something in a completely different order to the current proposition.

What coverage is MR offering for the special event - will there be a MacRumorsLive update page as usual?

apfelmann
Aug 6, 2007, 01:13 PM
I feel like a completely new mac is born tomorrow ... a touchscreen tablet-macbook without keyboard!

.. or we have to wait til january for this ... damn

dogtanian
Aug 6, 2007, 01:14 PM
I was done with my .mac membership three years ago. Was about as useful as a wet sponge at university. Was sloooooow and the perks were laughable...garageband loops...yay.

Got Gmail now, 2.8GB storage. Quick and well laid out.

I was incredibly irritated at losing my @mac.com email after using it way before I got .mac

Worst...product....EVER.

izzle22
Aug 6, 2007, 01:17 PM
I was done with my .mac membership three years ago. Was about as useful as a wet sponge at university. Was sloooooow and the perks were laughable...garageband loops...yay.

Got Gmail now, 2.8GB storage. Quick and well laid out.

I was incredibly irritated at losing my @mac.com email after using it way before I got .mac

Worst...product....EVER.



I use wet sponges all the time. They work good on cleaning up sticky messes or even washing a car.:D

bretm
Aug 6, 2007, 01:20 PM
Please, Steve -- PLEASE make .Mac free!

Everything .Mac offers is free elsewhere on the internet, but I want to use .Mac because it integrates with my Mac nicer -- but it's just not worth $99 a year to me. Please make it free!

boxlight

Really? Great. Please enlighten me as I would like to quit paying for sync of all my computers, which includes my adress book and calendars and bookmarks and I'd also like any of these free services to work with real applications, not web based ad ridden ones. I cant wait for you to list all the free back to my mac services as well. and when I am forced to use web email - I'd like it to look and feel exactly like my local app. Where do I get this amazing free suite of utilities? Gmail? Yahoo? Get real.

ChrisA
Aug 6, 2007, 01:21 PM
The only feature .mac has right now that might be worth the price is "syncing". Of cource anyone with a full time Internet connection can set this up themselves. But for many people it's worth $99 not to have to learn how.

I canceled after the trial period because there was nothing there I couldn't get for free. The other problem is that .mac is Mac Only and does not work well with the other operating systems I use whereas other standards based system are OS neutral.

izzle22
Aug 6, 2007, 01:23 PM
Really? Great. Please enlighten me as I would like to quit paying for sync of all my computers, which includes my adress book and calendars and bookmarks and I'd also like any of these free services to work with real applications, not web based ad ridden ones. I cant wait for you to list all the free back to my mac services as well. and when I am forced to use web email - I'd like it to look and feel exactly like my local app. Where do I get this amazing free suite of utilities? Gmail? Yahoo? Get real.

I'm with you completely. I would just like a little more storage and some new features.

willeekinz
Aug 6, 2007, 01:25 PM
i would like to see TRUE PUSH email integration of my .mac email address to my iPhone.

Manic Mouse
Aug 6, 2007, 01:26 PM
Really? Great. Please enlighten me as I would like to quit paying for sync of all my computers, which includes my adress book and calendars and bookmarks and I'd also like any of these free services to work with real applications, not web based ad ridden ones. I cant wait for you to list all the free back to my mac services as well. and when I am forced to use web email - I'd like it to look and feel exactly like my local app. Where do I get this amazing free suite of utilities? Gmail? Yahoo? Get real.

So much hate in this one. Are all these software features (that cost Apple NOTHING to run) worth £70 a year? Gmail has it's own advantages, like working well with other OS's, and most importantly it's free! In fact you get even MORE storage with Gmail, and that's the thing that costs money to run.

If you're OK with Apple charging you for something that doesn't cost them anything then good for you. The only thing that costs to run is storage, which other providers offer more of for nothing.

!¡ V ¡!
Aug 6, 2007, 01:29 PM
So much hate in this one. Are all these software features (that cost Apple NOTHING to run) worth £70 a year? Gmail has it's own advantages, like working well with other OS's, and most importantly it's free! In fact you get even MORE storage with Gmail, and that's the thing that costs money to run.

You are partially correct, its the bandwidth, sys maintenance and storage that cost the company(ies).

However considering that storage prices are dropping rapidly, storage is not a hugh factor other than bandwidth and maintenance.

ChrisA
Aug 6, 2007, 01:30 PM
...would be nice if the Leopard Remote Desktop iChat feature which was scrapped showed up as a .Mac feature. I would really like to take control of my fathers Mac when he gets in trouble.

You can do that now, for free. Do a Google on "VNC". It works well.
While VNC is free software Apple re-packages it and calls it "Apple Remote Desktop" so if you want the apple supported version you can have that too. The two inter-operate too, VNC and Remote Desktop use the same on-wire protocol.

VNC runs on Linux and Windows too both as client and server. This is a good way to "run Windows on a Mac" (sort of) by building a headless windows box and getting at it using VNC from you Mac desktop.

eee
Aug 6, 2007, 01:31 PM
Who is going to be covering Tuesday event?


Eric

BritinNC
Aug 6, 2007, 01:37 PM
I agree with the earlier poster that this is probably connected to the statement about lower earnings this quarter. It's about time this was free and used as an engine to give switchers yet another reason to dump the Windows machine. The benefit of .mac is being able to connect multiple Apple devices together. Today that is two macs but tomorrow I'd like to use .mac to connect my Mac Pro to my Powerbook to my iPhone to my Apple TV. Based on what we have seen of Leopard and 'Back to my Mac', Apple is moving in this direction but I really want to be able to search my Mac Pro from my iPhone at work and download a document, pdf or whatever rather than using the currently 'rough at the edges' automator mail rules.

Basically if you think about it, on the financial call Apple said that they were likely to come in about $200M short on earnings with the about same amount of revenue. My guess is that some of this $200M is related to a one time payment to existing .mac subscribers to reimburse them prorata for their subscription once it is free. Since they probably do subscription accounting on .mac revenue (durr!) this would result in only a minor impact on revenues but a bigger hit on earnings in opne quarter. Then everything Apple will connect to everything else Apple and .mac will be the glue.

Can't wait!

Ireland
Aug 6, 2007, 01:39 PM
Really? Great. Please enlighten me as I would like to quit paying for sync of all my computers, which includes my adress book and calendars and bookmarks and I'd also like any of these free services to work with real applications, not web based ad ridden ones. I cant wait for you to list all the free back to my mac services as well. and when I am forced to use web email - I'd like it to look and feel exactly like my local app. Where do I get this amazing free suite of utilities? Gmail? Yahoo? Get real.
For starters, you are aware you can set-up Gmail will Mail.app aren't you?

Manic Mouse
Aug 6, 2007, 01:39 PM
I agree with the earlier poster that this is probably connected to the statement about lower earnings this quarter. It's about time this was free and used as an engine to give switchers yet another reason to dump the Windows machine. The benefit of .mac is being able to connect multiple Apple devices together. Today that is two macs but tomorrow I'd like to use .mac to connect my Mac Pro to my Powerbook to my iPhone to my Apple TV. Based on what we have seen of Leopard and 'Back to my Mac', Apple is moving in this direction but I really want to be able to search my Mac Pro from my iPhone at work and download a document, pdf or whatever rather than using the currently 'rough at the edges' automator mail rules.

Basically if you think about it, on the financial call Apple said that they were likely to come in about $200M short on earnings with the about same amount of revenue. My guess is that some of this $200M is related to a one time payment to existing .mac subscribers to reimburse them prorata for their subscription once it is free. Since they probably do subscription accounting on .mac revenue (durr!) this would result in only a minor impact on revenues but a bigger hit on earnings in opne quarter. Then everything Apple will connect to everything else Apple and .mac will be the glue.

Can't wait!

Ditto, with .Mac (or at least a limited version) being free it'll be yet another fantastic part of owning a Mac and another boon for integration.

Fingers crossed.

k2k koos
Aug 6, 2007, 01:41 PM
I bet this is not the only announcement they have, it is Mac related, but there has to be more than just software, and the iMac rumors are favorite.

I'd love an updated .Mac however. :-)
:apple:

Porchland
Aug 6, 2007, 01:41 PM
Please let .mac be folded into iLife

This report plus the facts that .Mac already integrates tightly with iLife and that iMac is a consumer machine makes me think we're getting iLife 08/iWork 08 tomorrow.

twoodcc
Aug 6, 2007, 01:43 PM
Just what I've been hoping for.... and about time too! :cool:

me too! i really hope it's good! i bought .mac this weekend, but thank goodness i haven't opened it yet

ChrisA
Aug 6, 2007, 01:44 PM
The only thing that costs to run is storage, which other providers offer more of for nothing.

They do need to pay for the Internet connection. Bandwidth at the wholesale level delivered to a co-location facility still costs something like $1,000 per month per megabit. and a megabit is "nothing" if you are running a big service like .mac or Google Mail. They would need multiple fiber lines pulled into their facility and these do cost real money. I saw someone do this a while back (Earthlink was moving into a building) and they were outside digging up asphalt with backhoes and dump trucks and laying pipe and pouring concrete over. I don't know how many dollars a mile work like that costs.

Storage does cost too. What if 0.1% of all Apple users each wanted 10GB. That is not going to happen with some Apple xserves and a rack of SATA drives. I think Apple would be talking to Sun, IBM or EMC about building out a data center.

Don't forget about power and cooling at $0.14 per KWH it adds up fast.

izzle22
Aug 6, 2007, 01:46 PM
Ditto, with .Mac (or at least a limited version) being free it'll be yet another fantastic part of owning a Mac and another boon for integration.

Fingers crossed.


Nice Dream! Next they will send us all free iPods and Mac Books! WooHoo

bdj21ya
Aug 6, 2007, 01:49 PM
So, does anyone else think this might be the main reason for the event? With new iMacs being just something we rumor mongers have cooked up with a dash of wishful thinking? I was just surprised they decided to hold a smaller event if the supposed iMac redesign had finally arrived.

I just don't want too many people to be whining and disapointed on the threads tomorrow, so we can talk about what DID get released, instead of whining about what DIDN'T (not that I think there will be many less whiners for posting this, but every one less whiner counts).

DubOverdose
Aug 6, 2007, 01:55 PM
I've been a .Mac user for a few years now. It would be awesome if Apple decided that .Mac would be a free service for all Mac owners. They could exploit the simplicity of hosting a webpage, sharing photos, etc. so much better than they do now.

SeanMcg
Aug 6, 2007, 01:58 PM
Personally, I would like to see them fix the webmail client. Do a reply to all, and the display names in the CC: field don't get entered correctly (with ""). There are some other issues, but I can't remember them right now.

I just started using groups, and I'm not impressed. I tried to invite people and lot of my friends thought they had to spend $100 to get signed up because of the convoluted registration process. And editing the calendar can only be done on iCal? Not good. Maybe an update iLife will include the ability to publish web pages to your group.

All-in-all, though, I like the service, like the ease of web publishing with my Macs, and the iDisk has been very useful.

In 24 hours, we'll know....

bkwest918
Aug 6, 2007, 02:03 PM
Ok I suspect we will get both an iLife and iWork updates. But the biggest thing I think we might see tomorrow is iWork for Windows. They have a chance to beat Microsoft to the punch here. Who would pay money for office on a PC if iWork is in the 79-99 range can open Office Documents. The reason I say this is the recent release of Safari on Windows is once step forward in the framework to build iWork and possibly iLife for Windows.

Who knows really but it has been rumored that iWork was coming to windows can't recall where I seen this.

/b

crossifixio
Aug 6, 2007, 02:05 PM
How can this news get a negative response. Give me one valid reason :mad:!!!

EagerDragon
Aug 6, 2007, 02:11 PM
I am SO not getting my money's worth today. Hope it will be really good.

johnmcboston
Aug 6, 2007, 02:14 PM
http://9to5mac.com/iwork-update-august-7th-spreadsheets-54235423
Looks like there is going to be a spreadsheet application
maybe even google apps tie in too

This scares me a bit - especially phrases like "whole new way to work with spreadsheets." Pages is NOT a word processor, it's a newsletter/page layout tool, and isn't a replacement for something like Word (or Word like products). I'm worried to see what a spreadsheet product might actually look like :)

morespce54
Aug 6, 2007, 02:15 PM
Thank GOD.

.Mac really needs an update!


If I get this job with Apple, I'm getting .Mac for free. :D


Then you wont won't be allowed to come here anymore... ;):D
Seriously, maybe this time you finally gonna get something for your $99...;)

EagerDragon
Aug 6, 2007, 02:15 PM
10GB storage capacity per user
Integration with Time Machine
Easier photo/video sharing/uploading interface
iPhone integration
More sync between multiple computers (Win/Mac)

Let's see it Apple!

Add to that web sites that are searchable and index by Google. Today there is a problem that Gooble does not pick up the sittes because of something done differently by .Mac.

Squonk
Aug 6, 2007, 02:19 PM
So, does anyone else think this might be the main reason for the event?

I sure hope not. :eek:

WRXHokie
Aug 6, 2007, 02:23 PM
About time... add that to an iMac rev and i'm one happy fanboy.

New iMac here i come.

macadam212
Aug 6, 2007, 02:25 PM
And lose the brushed metal effect, it's the worst I've ever seen :(

wvtbred
Aug 6, 2007, 02:28 PM
i wonder if hell will break loose if there is no other update from Apple except .Mac. 2 hours of .mac presentation that is. and if that happens, I am selling my AAPL stock.

If you don't see a hardware update I would be selling FAST!

corywoolf
Aug 6, 2007, 02:31 PM
10GB storage capacity per user
Integration with Time Machine
Easier photo/video sharing/uploading interface
iPhone integration
More sync between multiple computers (Win/Mac)

Let's see it Apple!

How about the ability to control your mac from any computer with Safari installed (Mac/PC). Including the iPhone. A streamlined basic version of remote desktop would be nice. More likely will be direct YouTube uploads from iMovie. Ability to easily edit .Mac website from iPhone and post pictures directly to your website automatically. Of course this means iLife and iWork will see updates as well.

I will be shocked if Google/ YouTube aren't involved with the new update.

Peace
Aug 6, 2007, 02:32 PM
Keep in mind Apple historically updates O/S's,apps etc. normally a couple of weeks to a month before disclosing new hardware. ;)

swingerofbirch
Aug 6, 2007, 02:34 PM
Hmmm...I may actually pay for .Mac if they do something cool...I never discontinued .Mac but haven't paid for hte last two years...if you document all the things that go wrong with it, and then contact the customer service when it's time to renew, tell them all the probs you had, and tell them that you want to give them another chance but couldn't afford to give them another chance unless they comp a year, they will in fact, comp a year for you. Not saying it would work for everybody but has for me for two years. But if they make it better than free services and more reliable I will pay for it next time.

dakis
Aug 6, 2007, 02:34 PM
too expensive and too darn slow. I've had a subscription for several years. It's about to expire (in September) and I was most definitely not planning on renewing. If they lower the price significantly and add some servers, I might reconsider, though.

EagerDragon
Aug 6, 2007, 02:35 PM
I think with their "partnership" with Google, there is potential for some really interesting services. Also, I think it would make sense to use Google's back-end services with a much nicer Apple interface through .Mac

Something like this

Full integration of Google Docs and Sheets and iWork. I believe I read somewhere that Google wanted to market an add free version of Docs and Sheets to companies. .Mac would offer that payment and with iWork you would have off line access to everything you need.

I am sure they will improve iWeb, synching and will increase storage, but I think a full blown tie-in with Google, could have some really cool outcomes.

We'll see...

Not sure about a Google parthnetship.
Today, Gmail is Pop only, people with an iPhone get repeated messages and other issues. Today .mac is iMAP and it works better. I use .mac mail on my TREO 650 just fine, and gmail not so good in the TREO.

There are too many free email services out there, some let you move files that you must have with you. Sure it is not as well integrated as .mac but it is doable.

This better be good, I have been considering terminating .MAC this year, let's see if they can get me to re-subscribe.

techie4life
Aug 6, 2007, 02:35 PM
So, I have an appointment at the Apple store at 1p.m. EST. Hopefully, I'll be able to walk out of there with a new iMac and updated iLife software, as well as a new .Mac membership. If they do update iLife tommorow, will it be preloaded on new iMacs (the new version)? This is going to be my first Mac, I am SO EXCITED!!! I am finally making the switch!!!

morespce54
Aug 6, 2007, 02:36 PM
Time Machine over .Mac anyone?

Imagine your data is backed up to some Apple server or the main data center in your company. Might clog your upload bandwidth but would be cool for sure, provided the encryption worked well enough.

...*might* clog???
...would clog for sure!;)

It's a great idea for the future os...10.7 or 10.8! ;)
I wonder how long would it take me to backup and retrieved 125 GB of data... :rolleyes:
Wait, I only got 10GB available on my .Mac?:eek:

stcroixsailor
Aug 6, 2007, 02:41 PM
i think that there is going to be a .Mac update for sure. What are the chances that they're gonna update .mac at the SAME TIME as the conference?

izzle22
Aug 6, 2007, 02:48 PM
So, I have an appointment at the Apple store at 1p.m. EST. Hopefully, I'll be able to walk out of there with a new iMac and updated iLife software, as well as a new .Mac membership. If they do update iLife tommorow, will it be preloaded on new iMacs (the new version)? This is going to be my first Mac, I am SO EXCITED!!! I am finally making the switch!!!


If they update iLife it will be atleast a month before it's on new machines or available at all. Apple doesn't usually announce things that are available right away, especially software.

brwnbooger
Aug 6, 2007, 02:52 PM
Thank GOD.

.Mac really needs an update!


If I get this job with Apple, I'm getting .Mac for free. :D

apple employees get free .Mac accounts?

phillipjfry
Aug 6, 2007, 02:53 PM
I've never really been into the .Mac experience. but one thing that would make me jump on board would be something along the lines of gotomypc
then again i hope this isnt the only thing that is talked about tomorrow

H.isidorius
Aug 6, 2007, 03:02 PM
...
edit: Just remembered there was news of a level 2 data centre that Apple bought around this time last year, fill it with xserve RAIDS, some google know how in massive redundant filesystems (GFS) and you'd have an awesome repository for all Mac Users "Precious Things". Apologies to all that don't get that reference, i feel sorry you've never experienced the League!
M.

You can find the story here:
http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2006/Feb/27/apple_buys_california_data_center.html

Claytoniss
Aug 6, 2007, 03:03 PM
.mac is useless. When 10.5 is released and backup in .mac is useless the whole program wont be worth any money. There are better options (free) out there for everything listed except maybe the sync but you can get apps at more then 1/2 the price that do the same thing.

Make it free / or include it with ilife :D
no one wants to be stuck paying $99 a year for 2gb of email storage/ disk space when you get nearly 3 @ gmail for free.:(

If it is useless why would you even want it. Free...

I have been a .mac account 3 years before I got a mac. I am all about how easy it is setting up new macs and new computers. The intergration is worth the money to me. iDisk helps me out all the time, especially with cients/friends with the public folder.

Its all about how you use it.

Its like someone who drives a h2 and it never even touches dirt in it's pathetic suburbian life.

nimbuscloud
Aug 6, 2007, 03:04 PM
Maybe they'll have a G5 PowerBook.

What, is that too old of a joke now? I just wanted to try it on...

But a better .Mac would be great. That and a new iMac. For their conference this year, I think they might introduce a new Mac line. Macworld 01/08 they will announce the superthin laptop, then Fall 08/January 09, they'll announce the tablet Mac. Maclet, iPad, MacNano, whatever they call it...it'll do very well if priced decently. Let's say, $600-1000. With more focused and varied machines, they're marketshare will double. Having a computer business with only 3 different desktop computers won't cut it. They need 4-5 desktop computer choices and maybe 3-4 portable choices, portable is very important since it will outdo desktops.

:apple:

SWC
Aug 6, 2007, 03:09 PM
You can do that now, for free. Do a Google on "VNC". It works well.
While VNC is free software Apple re-packages it and calls it "Apple Remote Desktop" so if you want the apple supported version you can have that too. The two inter-operate too, VNC and Remote Desktop use the same on-wire protocol.

VNC runs on Linux and Windows too both as client and server. This is a good way to "run Windows on a Mac" (sort of) by building a headless windows box and getting at it using VNC from you Mac desktop.

The feature wasnt dumped in iChat it was just moved to the finder. VNC is ok but I could never get it to work just right between mac and windows.

CmdrLaForge
Aug 6, 2007, 03:11 PM
I really do hope whatever they do with dotMac that they bring the price down. $99 is way too high.

SWC
Aug 6, 2007, 03:13 PM
Ok I suspect we will get both an iLife and iWork updates. But the biggest thing I think we might see tomorrow is iWork for Windows. They have a chance to beat Microsoft to the punch here. Who would pay money for office on a PC if iWork is in the 79-99 range can open Office Documents. The reason I say this is the recent release of Safari on Windows is once step forward in the framework to build iWork and possibly iLife for Windows.

Who knows really but it has been rumored that iWork was coming to windows can't recall where I seen this.

/b

You can get office for $150 and it includes tons more functionality that iWork can even dream of at this point.

Also, I would bet money the only reason you have safari on windows is because of the iPhone. They are trying to build the brand. You use safari on your phone, you go home use safari on your computer. It makes it seamless for the customer.

japanime
Aug 6, 2007, 03:15 PM
what .Mac needs are following: what da heck happened to .Mac exclusive widgets?.

I emailed the .Mac customer service department about those "exclusive widgets" a couple of years ago, and received a reply in which they insisted they never promised any such widgets. This despite the fact that the widgets were indeed promised on the front page of the .Mac website shortly before Tiger was released.

My history with this service goes back to the free iTools days, and I've continued to renew my .Mac subscription every year. Here's hoping that my (and countless others') loyalty to this service is finally rewarded in a big way.

Antares
Aug 6, 2007, 03:16 PM
I hope there is a major overhaul. Once my free trial ran out, I didn't think having @mac.com for an email address was worth $99 a year.

So, you're the one who locked up hairball@mac.com...only to go and not renew it! :mad: ;)

Yeah, it's kind of crazy when I think about it....I'm paying $99 a year for just an @mac.com e-mail address. I haven't used the other features for a good 5 years. I hope they add something really compelling so I can justify the hundreds of dollars I've spent over the years for e-mail.

Squonk
Aug 6, 2007, 03:17 PM
You can find the story here:
http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2006/Feb/27/apple_buys_california_data_center.html

If only we knew what Apple has done with this facility. Who knows, maybe Steve bought it as investment property... :rolleyes:

jonharris200
Aug 6, 2007, 03:18 PM
So .Mac is being updated too. Isn't it amazing that - as with iPhone - there have been no reliable or detailed rumours, or screenshots, circulating about the .Mac refresh?

Once again, Apple has this secrecy thing tied up. Impressive.

PygmySurfer
Aug 6, 2007, 03:18 PM
I'm desperately trying to move away from having files on my systems, mainly so I can have a few systems in various places and remotely grab things like email etc without having to resort to webmail.


IMAP.

Mr Ikasu
Aug 6, 2007, 03:21 PM
I had to decide whether or not to renew my subscription last week and reluctantly continued due to being tied into the email and relying on the syncing between computers.

If this comes true I am going to feel vindicated in not spending time transfering away only to want to come straight back on board.

MrCrowbar
Aug 6, 2007, 03:23 PM
...*might* clog???
...would clog for sure!;)

It's a great idea for the future os...10.7 or 10.8! ;)
I wonder how long would it take me to backup and retrieved 125 GB of data... :rolleyes:
Wait, I only got 10GB available on my .Mac?:eek:

Let's assume you're a *normal* user that doesn't edit gigabytes of video or downloads truckloads of erotic and cinematic material all the time. Then Time Machine would just periodically sync the changes over, not your whole hard drive. I'd like an option to sync my documents folder for example, this way, all the important stuff is backed up. Things you have downloaded could be backed up by just storing the resources (i.e. URLs) so you can get them again.

Oh yea, you should have as much space on .Mac for Backups as you would have on your Mac, times 2. Example: My Macbook's Macintosh HD has 160 GB (replaces it with a Seagate drive), so the .Mac Time Machine Drive would have 320. That would be extremely useful for traveling people with laptops.

Manic Mouse
Aug 6, 2007, 03:26 PM
So, you're the one who locked up hairball@mac.com...only to go and not renew it! :mad: ;)

Yeah, it's kind of crazy when I think about it....I'm paying $99 a year for just an @mac.com e-mail address. I haven't used the other features for a good 5 years. I hope they add something really compelling so I can justify the hundreds of dollars I've spent over the years for e-mail.

That is crazy!

If you take a .mac address do you have it forever even if you don't take up a subscription? I like my trial address, I don't want to lose it!

jbembe
Aug 6, 2007, 03:27 PM
I have been quite irritated with .Mac since they changed the synchronization of the webpage in iLife-the only reason I used it (I don't care much for my email address.) Here's to hoping that they change my mind about my wasted money!

Data
Aug 6, 2007, 03:28 PM
Is what .Mac needs, it's realy slow in my opinion,Syncing is great do.

syklee26
Aug 6, 2007, 03:31 PM
i have a feeling that .Mac might be packaged with either iLife or iWork for the price of $79.99. More likely with iWork.

.Mac + iWork package might give us the web 2.0 feature where we can use iWork softwares either on the Mac or on the web via .Mac.

that would be kinda cool if they give us this.

izzle22
Aug 6, 2007, 03:31 PM
Only a semi-retarded person would even attempt to defend the current .mac.

:rolleyes:

Poll Smoker Huh?;)

izzle22
Aug 6, 2007, 03:35 PM
i have a feeling that .Mac might be packaged with either iLife or iWork for the price of $79.99. More likely with iWork.

.Mac + iWork package might give us the web 2.0 feature where we can use iWork softwares either on the Mac or on the web via .Mac.

that would be kinda cool if they give us this.


Nope! This is not going to happen. I was just billed for a re-new on .Mac. If this was going to happen people would not have been billed. Mark my words right here and right now- .Mac will not be cheaper, free or come bundled with some other software. It may have upgraded storage and features(I hope!)

Stewie
Aug 6, 2007, 03:40 PM
I would like to see push email for the iphone and the ability to change the reply-to address. Faster upload and download speeds to the idisk would be nice but if I could have my first two wishes I would be a happy camper.

network23
Aug 6, 2007, 03:40 PM
I sure hope not. :eek:

Regarding a .Mac update being the sole reason for the media event...

Absolutely not.

Johnathan Ive is going to be there. I assure you he did not redesign .Mac.

While there might be a .Mac update, you can be certain that a newly designed real-world product will also be presented.

Toe
Aug 6, 2007, 03:42 PM
Just a few minutes ago, I launched iCal and it started doing a sync. It came up with some sync conflicts, and this time .Mac was referenced as:
com.apple.DotMacLegacy

I'm pretty sure that's new. It implies that they have the new .Mac server up and running, and the old "legacy" one is just standing in until the launch tomorrow.

Peace
Aug 6, 2007, 03:43 PM
I'm not going to defend .Mac because it has been neglected but Jobs got embarrassed by Walt with his questioning .Mac. Steve Jobs does NOT like to be smacked on.Period. Call it ego or genius. It's still a fact.

I'd expect a BIG update to the .Mac system as a whole. With all the Leopard technologies coming out over the next 2 months I can almost guarantee a major update to the whole .Mac experience.

jpine
Aug 6, 2007, 03:53 PM
For my purposes, it is worth the cash. I simply do not trust the security of gmail, yahoo, etc.

FleurDuMal
Aug 6, 2007, 03:54 PM
I don't keep up with these sorts of things so I apologise if this is completely misinformed, but don't haven't Google been working with Apple recently? Could there be some sort of joint venture between the two on this .Mac update? If not, I can't see how Apple would avoid tredding on Googles toes.

Stella
Aug 6, 2007, 03:54 PM
I'm wondering if Apple will fix the excessively slow iDisk sync.. its never worked sinces its introduction... 3 or 4 years ago.

Simply adding more capacity to iDisk isn't good enough. .Mac needs real improvements, i.e., how about online editing of your iCal calendar, for instance?

izzle22
Aug 6, 2007, 03:58 PM
I'm wondering if Apple will fix the excessively slow iDisk sync.. its never worked sinces its introduction... 3 or 4 years ago.

Simply adding more capacity to iDisk isn't good enough. .Mac needs real improvements, i.e., how about online editing of your iCal calendar, for instance?

My sync works great with iDisk, never had a problem always pretty quick too. I do wish we had online iCal editing though.

Data
Aug 6, 2007, 04:02 PM
i have a feeling that .Mac might be packaged with either iLife or iWork for the price of $79.99. More likely with iWork.

.Mac + iWork package might give us the web 2.0 feature where we can use iWork softwares either on the Mac or on the web via .Mac.

that would be kinda cool if they give us this.

Apple just took 99 Dollars from my credit card again, and i'm sure i'm not the only one who has been charched for the service

jonharris200
Aug 6, 2007, 04:03 PM
Regarding a .Mac update being the sole reason for the media event...

Absolutely not.

Johnathan Ive is going to be there.

On behalf of Jonathans everywhere, please get the spelling right. :p

dernhelm
Aug 6, 2007, 04:05 PM
I'm not going to defend .Mac because it has been neglected but Jobs got embarrassed by Walt with his questioning .Mac. Steve Jobs does NOT like to be smacked on.Period. Call it ego or genius. It's still a fact.

I'd expect a BIG update to the .Mac system as a whole. With all the Leopard technologies coming out over the next 2 months I can almost guarantee a major update to the whole .Mac experience.

Wasn't a smack-down at all. More like a softball. I bet Walt knew Apple was working on a new .Mac and wanted to give Steve a shot at pitching it. Steve didn't say much other than to confirm that they were working on it, but that was enough for the faithful to hang in there for the update.

bkwest918
Aug 6, 2007, 04:08 PM
On behalf of Jonathans everywhere, please get the spelling right. :p

Their are various different ways to spell it you know!

syklee26
Aug 6, 2007, 04:13 PM
Apple just took 99 Dollars from my credit card again, and i'm sure i'm not the only one who has been charched for the service

there is always a chance you got shafted.

Bonte
Aug 6, 2007, 04:17 PM
That is crazy!

If you take a .mac address do you have it forever even if you don't take up a subscription? I like my trial address, I don't want to lose it!

No pay, no mail.

mozmac
Aug 6, 2007, 04:21 PM
I'm not going to defend .Mac because it has been neglected but Jobs got embarrassed by Walt with his questioning .Mac. Steve Jobs does NOT like to be smacked on.Period. Call it ego or genius. It's still a fact.

I'd expect a BIG update to the .Mac system as a whole. With all the Leopard technologies coming out over the next 2 months I can almost guarantee a major update to the whole .Mac experience.

They really need to give it a big update from it's current status. I've "converted" lots of people to the Mac platform and when they ask me if they should get .mac, I tell them that I wish I could recommend it, but can't because it's just not worth the money to the average user. Yes...Sync, iDisk, and Backup are great reasons to get it, but the average user has one Mac and doesn't have a need for most of the stuff.

megfilmworks
Aug 6, 2007, 04:21 PM
Yeah, I know I'm in the minority, and .Mac does desperately need an upgrade. But, there's one feature that makes it worth it for me -- syncing. .Mac keeps my home and work computers in sync (Safari bookmarks, address book, etc) and that alone is worth every penny.

I'd love to see a storage increase, price drop and more, but until then I'll continue to buy a boxed copy off Amazon or eBay for about $59. Because it makes more sense than renewing online for $79. Go figure!I agree about syncing, that's why I hope for seamless sync across the iPhone with .mac

SiliconAddict
Aug 6, 2007, 04:21 PM
Do or die time for Apple and .Crap...I mean mac. My subscription comes up for renewal in Feb. As it stands I'm planning on dropping it due to its value. Apple better have something good to offer.

Lepton
Aug 6, 2007, 04:25 PM
The one thing I will bet on for an improvement in .mac is push EMail for the iPhone. This seemed like such a natural.

I could also see lower prices and a free "back to my Mac" for all Leopard users.

Basically, much closer integration with Mac, iPhone, AppleTV. This - personal Internet storage - is the nexus that brings them all together regardless of physical location. It's not really how MUCH Internet storage you have, it is that this storage is available to all your Internet-connected devices no matter where they are in the world, and that they are available 24 hours even if some or all of your devices are temporarily offline or asleep.

It's like EMail. I can send you an EMail anytime, even if your computer is offline, because 'the Internet" stores it until you get back on and check it. This can be extended to many other kinds of services. If all your devices are on .mac, shouldn't I be able to transfer a file to your laptop or phone immediately, even if it is offline at the moment, using .mac as intermediate, transparent storage. I've uncoupled my uploading to you from your downloading from me. Or, using .mac as a transparent buffer, I can quickly upload a huge file (seemingly directly) to your phone, which (in reality via .mac) slowly trickles into your phone through EDGE and/or WiFi. Syncing and Time MAchine backups could be helped through this as well. This sort of transparent cache or buffer has tons of possibilities and I hope Apple will exploit some.

Peace
Aug 6, 2007, 04:27 PM
The one thing I will bet on for an improvement in .mac is push EMail for the iPhone. This seemed like such a natural.

I could also see lower prices and a free "back to my Mac" for all Leopard users.

Basically, much closer integration with Mac, iPhone, AppleTV. This - personal Internet storage - is the nexus that brings them all together regardless of physical location. It's not really how MUCH Internet storage you have, it is that this storage is available to all your Internet-connected devices no matter where they are in the world, and that they are available 24 hours even if some or all of your devices are temporarily offline or asleep.

It's like EMail. I can send you an EMail anytime, even if your computer is offline, because 'the Internet" stores it until you get back on and check it. This can be extended to many other kinds of services. If all your devices are on .mac, shouldn't I be able to transfer a file to your laptop or phone immediately, even if it is offline at the moment, using .mac as intermediate, transparent storage. I've uncoupled my uploading to you from your downloading from me. Or, using .mac as a transparent buffer, I can quickly upload a huge file (seemingly directly) to your phone, which (in reality via .mac) slowly trickles into your phone through EDGE and/or WiFi. Syncing and Time MAchine backups could be helped through this as well. This sort of transparent cache or buffer has tons of possibilities and I hope Apple will exploit some.


You my friend are getting very warm.

synth3tik
Aug 6, 2007, 04:30 PM
I have been a .mac member for far to long with far to few features/space. This sis just what I have been waiting for, well this and 10.5.

Toe
Aug 6, 2007, 04:33 PM
Just a few minutes ago, I launched iCal and it started doing a sync. It came up with some sync conflicts, and this time .Mac was referenced as:
com.apple.DotMacLegacy

I'm pretty sure that's new. It implies that they have the new .Mac server up and running, and the old "legacy" one is just standing in until the launch tomorrow.

Can anyone else confirm this? And is it something new, or has the current server always been called "legacy?"

m-dogg
Aug 6, 2007, 04:34 PM
I'm slowly beginning to switch services away from .Mac...it'll be interesting to see if there is anything to keep me with them when I come up for renewal in January.

When you have sites like Flickr that offer unlimited uploading & storage for $25 a year, I have trouble understanding why Apple is so stingy with .Mac storage.

What they should do is integrate .Mac into Time Machine (when it comes out), so that all backup happens automatically onto .Mac web servers with unlimited storage for Time Machine.

mozmac
Aug 6, 2007, 04:38 PM
The one thing I will bet on for an improvement in .mac is push EMail for the iPhone. This seemed like such a natural.

I could also see lower prices and a free "back to my Mac" for all Leopard users.

Basically, much closer integration with Mac, iPhone, AppleTV. This - personal Internet storage - is the nexus that brings them all together regardless of physical location. It's not really how MUCH Internet storage you have, it is that this storage is available to all your Internet-connected devices no matter where they are in the world, and that they are available 24 hours even if some or all of your devices are temporarily offline or asleep.

It's like EMail. I can send you an EMail anytime, even if your computer is offline, because 'the Internet" stores it until you get back on and check it. This can be extended to many other kinds of services. If all your devices are on .mac, shouldn't I be able to transfer a file to your laptop or phone immediately, even if it is offline at the moment, using .mac as intermediate, transparent storage. I've uncoupled my uploading to you from your downloading from me. Or, using .mac as a transparent buffer, I can quickly upload a huge file (seemingly directly) to your phone, which (in reality via .mac) slowly trickles into your phone through EDGE and/or WiFi. Syncing and Time MAchine backups could be helped through this as well. This sort of transparent cache or buffer has tons of possibilities and I hope Apple will exploit some.

That is the type of thing that would fit perfectly into Apple's digital lifestyle theme. What they strive to do is allow every single product with an Apple logo to communication with each other. It is just expected. If it is made by Apple, it needs to be networked in with all my other Apples.

koobcamuk
Aug 6, 2007, 04:40 PM
What they should do is integrate .Mac into Time Machine (when it comes out), so that all backup happens automatically onto .Mac web servers with unlimited storage for Time Machine.

No chance!

Detlev
Aug 6, 2007, 04:44 PM
Hey Apple, please DO NOT make .Mac free. If you do then all the whiners will come and join and say, look at me I have an @mac.com email address so I'm cool, now give me more. :eek:

Agent Smith
Aug 6, 2007, 04:47 PM
Shouldn't this be reason maybe not to except iMac updates tomorrow? Apple just said it wasn't about the iPhone or iPods. We understood this as it must be new macs.

There is still much reason to believe it is going to be new iMacs. But don't be shocked if it isn't.

My sentiment/concern exactly. When I saw the story, it was the first thing that popped into my head. Instead of iPod Hifi and a spiffy new leather iPod case, we might be getting a .Mac upgrade and some iTunes movie announcemets (maybe Beatles on iTunes?).

Manic Mouse
Aug 6, 2007, 04:51 PM
Hey Apple, please DO NOT make .Mac free. If you do then all the whiners will come and join and say, look at me I have an @mac.com email address so I'm cool, now give me more. :eek:

So you pay just to feel like an elitist? Methinks someone has issues...

arkmannj
Aug 6, 2007, 04:53 PM
I think .mac needs to be simple as it has been, (with added features, storage space etc.)

But for its price-point it also needs to also offer the ability to access more advanced features (such as php & MySQL)

Just me $0.02

syklee26
Aug 6, 2007, 04:56 PM
i think the greatest thing to be unveiled tomorrow will be the new iMac with lower price (especially if 17 inch is a goner)

20 inch for $1299 and 24 inch for $1799 would really rock. I do think 20 inch for $1299 is a realistic possibility too.

since Apple announced that this will be a MAC event, no iPod announcements.

and it's for 2 hours so it's gotta be more than iMac too.

my predictions:

new iMac
new iLife / iWork with spreadsheet
new Mac Pro maybe
new .Mac

should be enough for 2 hours. a small possibility of ultraportable exists i guess

Kilamite
Aug 6, 2007, 04:56 PM
I bought .Mac back in February and have been quite happy with it - good reliable FTP which I use all the time, @mac.com email is quite cool.

I haven't used the syncronisation feature yet, as I only have one computer but it could come in handy.

But is it worth it for the price? Hell no. It is too overpriced for what you get - regardless of these nice features.

1GB storage is pish!

iSpud
Aug 6, 2007, 05:01 PM
apple employees get free .Mac accounts?

Yes. At least I know retail employees do. When I worked there the rational seemed to be that "if your going to sell it, you need to have an account and know how to use it". Many employees I worked with LOVED .Mac but I personally didn't like recommending it to buyers. The only thing I loved was the .mac email, but it's hardly worth paying for if that's all you want.

GuillaumeB
Aug 6, 2007, 05:09 PM
Forget Time Machine...it's utterly pointless... What if the Hard drive dies huh?? What we need is a remote storage like iDisk

As for those who have been billed today then .mac members might be able to download iWork/iLife from their account...and consequently to receive all updates.... who knows?

Toe
Aug 6, 2007, 05:09 PM
Here's how it's gonna go down.

The new iMac is a full touchscreen interface, like the iPhone. It is an ultra-thin panel that pops off of its base and becomes a touch-interfaced tablet computer.

If you want a more conventional desktop Mac, then get the high end Mac Pro, or the new Mac mini, now with a Core 2 Duo. Plug either into the new Apple Display with iSight.

Concurrent with this, Apple is releasing iWork '08, which includes Charts for spreadsheets and a new fully Word-compatible version of Pages, making it a great MS-Office-killer.

They're also releasing iLife '08, which brings iChat into the iLife suite, because...

iLife will integrate into the new .Mac, which now has full VOIP telephony as part of its service. It also has a robust blog engine (tied to iWeb), plus a couple features you never really thought of before.

Oh, and the Apple TV will, of course, interact ingeniously with all of the above.

There. Now isn't that more interesting than some little .Mac upgrade?

:D

iSpud
Aug 6, 2007, 05:15 PM
Maybe the Mac Mini and AppleTV will merge, hence the rumors of the Mac Mini's demise. This would be similar to the merging of the iPod and iPod Photo into one line...

rasterbator
Aug 6, 2007, 05:35 PM
i was a .mac user back when it was free and called "itools"
~kyle

I was a .Mac member when it was called eWorld, but was a glorified AOL client. :D

~rasterbator

mhuk01
Aug 6, 2007, 05:35 PM
Maybe the Mac Mini and AppleTV will merge, hence the rumors of the Mac Mini's demise. This would be similar to the merging of the iPod and iPod Photo into one line...

except the difference there was that the ipod photo became the standard.

here you are implying that the appletv (with less features of the two) becomes the standard

ATG
Aug 6, 2007, 05:37 PM
In before ".Mac costs too much, I have this dirt cheap hosting company, and blah blah blah" whiners
Well... it does cost too much and hosting is dirt cheap now ;)

vansouza
Aug 6, 2007, 05:43 PM
I don't understand why they don't make .Mac free for anyone with a Mac. What better way to keep people locked into the Mac platform by having people be avid users of a new improved .Mac.

Because it can host a web site if you choose.

aswitcher
Aug 6, 2007, 05:48 PM
.Mac IMNSHO needs

> More space 2/3GB

> More reliable (maybe under Leopard?)

> Not 1 but 3 real email accounts rather than aliases

> iPhone integration

> Ability to add new Macs and create their iDisk locally rather than requiring them to download everything on their first sync

> Access to a very comprehensive downloadable "switchers" video package about the Mac and how to use it. I would love to be able to hand people a DVD I had from Apple which they could watch to consider a Mac, and to know the basic differences between XP and Vista. Heaps of short educational bits on the OS and iLife. Plus lots of novice stuff that people relatively new to home machines could want.

Detlev
Aug 6, 2007, 05:49 PM
So you pay just to feel like an elitist? Methinks someone has issues...

Nah, I don't need no stinkin' email address to prove I'm an elitist. ;)

I do pay for a service that is of value to me.

arkmannj
Aug 6, 2007, 05:50 PM
Because it can host a web site if you choose.

Perhaps they should offer free levels of service and pay-for levels
Example: If iChat is going to require .mac for parts of it to function properly
(Remote Desktop control/sharing. Keynote presentations, etc.)
then the iChat portion should be free. People can pay for web hosting and additional services

AlexisV
Aug 6, 2007, 05:51 PM
Forget Time Machine...it's utterly pointless... What if the Hard drive dies huh?? What we need is a remote storage like iDisk


Hard drive failures are very rare. And where do you think iDisk actually is? In the sky?

Detlev
Aug 6, 2007, 05:55 PM
Here's how it's gonna go down.

The new iMac is a full touchscreen interface, like the iPhone. It is an ultra-thin panel that pops off of its base and becomes a touch-interfaced tablet computer.

If you want a more conventional desktop Mac, then get the high end Mac Pro, or the new Mac mini, now with a Core 2 Duo. Plug either into the new Apple Display with iSight.

Concurrent with this, Apple is releasing iWork '08, which includes Charts for spreadsheets and a new fully Word-compatible version of Pages, making it a great MS-Office-killer.

They're also releasing iLife '08, which brings iChat into the iLife suite, because...

iLife will integrate into the new .Mac, which now has full VOIP telephony as part of its service. It also has a robust blog engine (tied to iWeb), plus a couple features you never really thought of before.

Oh, and the Apple TV will, of course, interact ingeniously with all of the above.

There. Now isn't that more interesting than some little .Mac upgrade?

:D

Now I don't have to watch. Anything Steve announces short of this will be a let down.

None Such
Aug 6, 2007, 06:11 PM
I hope a .mac update is coming. I bought .mac with my Macbook pro(which hasn't arrived) and was looking at the booklet and kicking myself for buying it. I was thinking it did more, in the area of website development for one thing. Hopefully when my notebook arrives .mac will have been updated and worth the price.

Taylor C
Aug 6, 2007, 06:33 PM
I really hope this event doesn't turn out to be a .Mac update and nothing else. I've been looking forward to it all week. :(

tuartboy
Aug 6, 2007, 06:43 PM
You can do that now, for free. Do a Google on "VNC". It works well.
While VNC is free software Apple re-packages it and calls it "Apple Remote Desktop" so if you want the apple supported version you can have that too. The two inter-operate too, VNC and Remote Desktop use the same on-wire protocol.

VNC runs on Linux and Windows too both as client and server. This is a good way to "run Windows on a Mac" (sort of) by building a headless windows box and getting at it using VNC from you Mac desktop.

Yes, VNC works. But how useful is it for my mom? She doesn't know how to forward ports or check for WAN IPs (which are usually dynamic). You also can't use VNC into your corporate or university networks (unless you have ssh access to do tunneling).

The Back to My Mac features are supposed to offer NAT traversal and use Apple servers to handshake connections. This way you can get through most NAT routers without doing anything and you won't leave open ports behind you (always a security risk).

And VNC doesn't use native objects, so it is slow. I'm not sure about ARD, since I have never used it, but I would think apple would (eventually) try to take the Microsoft route and just send commands and render native UI objects on the client. Sure uses a lot less bandwidth and makes things a lot more responsive.

As for .mac, I am going to wait until my 60-day trial is up (reinstalled tiger on my powerbook), but then I will definitely purchase it no matter the status. The syncing between my laptop and desktop is invaluable.

Scalfani
Aug 6, 2007, 07:12 PM
dammit i JUST bought .mac 2 days ago. Do you think current users will get screwed???????? :mad::(

megfilmworks
Aug 6, 2007, 07:12 PM
No, current users will be the first to benefit.

Scalfani
Aug 6, 2007, 07:18 PM
No, current users will be the first to benefit.

That makes me feel a little better, but are you speculating or is that how it has been in the past?

offwidafairies
Aug 6, 2007, 07:20 PM
cool! im planning to subscribe to .mac in the near future :)
i have family members who swear by it. and have created some simple yet stylish websites easily with it

kcroy
Aug 6, 2007, 07:31 PM
Also in the minority here...

I really like my .Mac account. Syncing is great. I really like the iDisk. I enjoy being able to access email and web favorites on ANY computer along with important files...

however, my favorite .Mac function is....

the combination with iWeb. What an easy way to make slick web pages. I love it. I create one for my classroom as a teacher, one for home, one for my art business, ect. I buy goDaddy.com domains and have them forwarded to my iWeb pages. Works great.

I wish there was a shopping cart on the iWeb, and a way to put Garageband loops on the page for some music, as well as easily including html and flash animations.

Those are my wishes. (More storage and cheaper fees would rock too.)

Looking forward to the update.:D

mbpcron
Aug 6, 2007, 08:08 PM
my free trial ends 8/28. I'd like to keep it but haven't been impressed. Sync is n/a for me. Everything else I use is PC.

But I'm open to new ideas.

age234
Aug 6, 2007, 08:15 PM
Back To My Mac will make .Mac worthwhile again. Of course, anything they add would be great. Gotta stay competitive.

yoyo5280
Aug 6, 2007, 08:28 PM
.Mac needs to be really feature full, fast, and have huge storage and be mac only. A huge reason to switch to mac. Macs should come with Limited .mac (email, some other features, 1-2gb storage) free and there is .Mac plus.

Hopstretch
Aug 6, 2007, 08:28 PM
Of course, anything they add would be great. Gotta stay competitive.
At least hire John Appleseed to do the new .Mac promo videos. Then we can fire (sorry, sack) the lisping Brit who currently tells you how "gweat" the service is for staying in touch with "fwiends and famiwy".

heisetax
Aug 6, 2007, 08:28 PM
I don't understand why they don't make .Mac free for anyone with a Mac. What better way to keep people locked into the Mac platform by having people be avid users of a new improved .Mac.


This was done when it was called iTools. The want to make the service an income source rather than a service to the Mac User was changed when the name was changed to .Mac.

I've probably kept mine because of my short simple email address.

Bill the TaxMan

iW00t
Aug 6, 2007, 08:42 PM
I envision the launch of a .mac pro service that adds iPhone support and ups storage capacity to 2GB.

It will also come at a low price of $198 a year, so you basically get iPhone support for FREE!

gonnabuyamac
Aug 6, 2007, 09:02 PM
Please, Steve -- PLEASE make .Mac free!

Everything .Mac offers is free elsewhere on the internet, but I want to use .Mac because it integrates with my Mac nicer -- but it's just not worth $99 a year to me. Please make it free!

boxlight

It would suck for me if they made it free - I just subscribed to it a few months ago. I don't think they'll make it free - how would it work for subscribers who have paid? Seems like .Mac is supposed to be something more than you can just get from other free sites on the web (hopefully they'll update it to really set it apart.)

JGF0x
Aug 6, 2007, 09:41 PM
I don't see why people are complaining. My mother pays for Yahoo! Mail just so she can use Mail to check her email and it's like $20-$30. For $70 more you get storage, a website etc. I happily pay $99/year for .Mac just so I will never, ever have to switch all of my email accounts over from my ISP accounts. Gmail is an uber pain with all the advertising too. .Mac rules! :D

Some_Big_Spoon
Aug 6, 2007, 10:08 PM
My MacBook HD has died 3 times in 6 months. The genius bar knows me by name now. It happens more than you think.

Hard drive failures are very rare. And where do you think iDisk actually is? In the sky?

mazola
Aug 6, 2007, 10:57 PM
i was a .mac user back when it was free and called "itools"


iTools was the name of the service? I thought that's what they called the subscribers...

shemp9999
Aug 6, 2007, 11:39 PM
i find the syncing capabilities of .Mac to be well worth twice what i pay. i've been lucky enough to get .mac for 1/2 price for the past few years.:D

Vaphoron
Aug 7, 2007, 12:09 AM
Maybe this time around we could actually get those supposed .Mac exclusive Dashboard Widgets...

mdntcallr
Aug 7, 2007, 02:03 AM
i know what changes i would like to see to .mac

1- mailing lists for your web/homepage websites ( so you can update people when there are new pics or website updates.
2- ability to easily register domains and/or use other domains and have .mac/ilife publish to it
3- new themes
4- ability for people to be authorized to download or order prints of pics from website. this is vital for those of us who had a baby or other important events. why not let people buy pics? i know my mom would have loved to do so. i publish so many pics on my .mac, lets let others in on the fun.
5- allow friends to upload pics or files to website, then be appoved to be added.
6- allow friends to add comments and talkback on .mac website
7- add function that allows you to email or mms pics or video to your own website. ie for those on the go, you can send pics and video via email, and they would be automatically be added. a function on groover.com, pretty neat one.

Evangelion
Aug 7, 2007, 02:05 AM
Forget Time Machine...it's utterly pointless... What if the Hard drive dies huh?? What we need is a remote storage like iDisk

I bet that about 98% of all consumer/prosumer-level backups are done with hard-drives, so are all those backups "pointless"? How do YOU backup? Tapes?

And what are the odds of two separate hard-drives (the one in your computer and the external HD) breaking at the same time? If your Time Machine-HD dies, so what? Get a new HD, and re-do the backup to that one, problem solved.

EDIT: What would I do with .Mac? Well, I would make it a tiered service. Something lime this:

Free: 1GB of email/iDisk-space. .Mac-email/IM-account. Back to my Mac for Leopard-users. Syncing multiple Macs.

$69/year: 8GB of email/iDisk-space. .Mac-email/IM-account (push-email for iPhone-users). Back to my Mac for Leopard-users. Syncing multiple Macs. Photocasting. iWeb-hosting. backup to iDisk. Groups. Some new features we haven't seen yet :).

GuillaumeB
Aug 7, 2007, 02:35 AM
Hard drive failures are very rare. And where do you think iDisk actually is? In the sky?


Did you make it on purpose or did you just not realize that it'd be better to backup your stuff on a "different" hard drive?

GuillaumeB
Aug 7, 2007, 02:48 AM
I don't see why people are complaining. My mother pays for Yahoo! Mail just so she can use Mail to check her email and it's like $20-$30. For $70 more you get storage, a website etc. I happily pay $99/year for .Mac just so I will never, ever have to switch all of my email accounts over from my ISP accounts. Gmail is an uber pain with all the advertising too. .Mac rules! :D

Yahoo gives unlimited storage for free. Just for the reminder a yahoo account implies Calendar, notebook, address book, sync to Outlook and co,Flickr and basically everything you'd want...

GuillaumeB
Aug 7, 2007, 03:02 AM
I bet that about 98% of all consumer/prosumer-level backups are done with hard-drives, so are all those backups "pointless"? How do YOU backup? Tapes?

And what are the odds of two separate hard-drives (the one in your computer and the external HD) breaking at the same time? If your Time Machine-HD dies, so what? Get a new HD, and re-do the backup to that one, problem solved.



Well yeh hopefully Time Machine will be able to back up stuff on a different hard drive... this is my point...because should my main hard drive fail then it would be useless. Not to mention that...Time Machine seems to be the major value of Leopard... cause seriously, apart from graphical updates what's left?
Now well I have a macbook pro and carrying an external hard drive all the time would be a pain ... This is why i'd really want to make the most of iDisk.

But then even though i'd really love to see a major upgrade to .Mac tha would make me pay for the service...I can't help but think that we are all going to be disappointed...Pardon my pessimism, i truly hope I am wrong here

Manic Mouse
Aug 7, 2007, 03:20 AM
Current user wont be screwed if the make a basic .Mac, with email address and perhaps synching/back to your Mac, free. They'll get the .Mac Pro, with lots of online storage with support for time machines.

Evangelion
Aug 7, 2007, 04:13 AM
Well yeh hopefully Time Machine will be able to back up stuff on a different hard drive... this is my point.

Uh, that's like the key feature of Time Machine! You plug in an external hard-drive, Leopard detects it and asks you that "do you want to use this hard-drive for Time Machine backups?". If you have a network-volume you can tell Time machine to back up to that volume. If you have more than one internal HD you can instruct Time Machine to use one of them for backups.

because should my main hard drive fail then it would be useless.

So, you think that Time Machine backs up to the same drive where the data is backing up resides? What would be the point? Time Machine and backups in general are there in case you lose a file or if your hard-drive dies. So OF COURSE it uses a different hard-drive!

Seriously: all it takes is for you to go read about Time Machine on Apple's site. One of the very first things it says is this:

You can start using Time Machine in seconds. The first time you attach an external drive to your Mac, Time Machine asks if you’d like to use that drive as your backup. Say yes and Time Machine takes care of everything else. Automatically. In the background. You’ll never have to worry about backing up again.

Seriously, it takes one minute to learn this stuff, so you don't have to guess.

Not to mention that...Time Machine seems to be the major value of Leopard... cause seriously, apart from graphical updates what's left?

Well, besides Time Machine, we have a top-to-bottom 64bit OS (that's pretty big), Quicklook, Spaces (very convenient feature, and one I have been missing), new Finder that sucks less, a whole host of improvements that make the OS snappier... Just about any of those is a major improvement

Now well I have a macbook pro and carrying an external hard drive all the time would be a pain ... This is why i'd really want to make the most of iDisk.

MBP's have 120GB+ hard-drives, how would you fit all that stuff to iDisk? And it's not like you have to carry an external drive with you all the time. You can just plug it in occasionally for backing up. That's the price of doing backups. Sure you can use online storage for backups as well, but then you can't back up everything.

koobcamuk
Aug 7, 2007, 04:22 AM
MBP's have 120GB+ hard-drives, how would you fit all that stuff to iDisk? And it's not like you have to carry an external drive with you all the time. You can just plug it in occasionally for backing up. That's the price of doing backups. Sure you can use online storage for backups as well, but then you can't back up everything.

Firstly, nice post.

Secondly, you're right about the HD thing. I have a Lacie 250GB partitioned in two segments. One is just random space for crap, the other is a complete SuperDuper! clone of my 160GB MacBook HD. If one drive fails, I can boot off the other. Very convenient.

Then I have two other external hard drives. I keep all of my work data backed up on here also. This way, I have 3 backups of my Ph.D work (if I lose it all I would set myself back 6 months).

I have .mac and an iDisk. I use that to sync files between office (iMac) and home/portable (MacBook). I used to have 3 Macs, so iDisk was even more worth it. Now, for mail, calendars and contacts, it seems not great value. Being able to have important pdfs or presentations accessible is a key point though.

pengu
Aug 7, 2007, 04:54 AM
Hard drive failures are very rare. And where do you think iDisk actually is? In the sky?

lots of things are rare, doesn't mean we should be un-prepared.

and as for idisk: it's quite likely that its a multi TB SAN across hundreds (if not thousands) of disks.

GuillaumeB
Aug 7, 2007, 05:24 AM
Um so you're telling me that Apple has come up with a feature integrated in the new OS that basically "requires me" to buy an extra hard drive in order to be valuable? So you're telling me that Apple has come up with a semi finished feature...great

Naawww I mean, had the Mac machines been given two distinct hard drives i would have understood but for me it looks a lot like Windows XP restore system introduced..what... 5 years ago at least...

i'm not really convinced about the Spaces. I use Exposé a lot but should I need virtual desktops then then we have different free solutions like VirtueDesktop and co

Anyway, i guess i'll wait two good weeks before buying Leopard... just to see what people really have to say about it. i'm curious about this 64bits OS thing and what it'll really bring

Evangelion
Aug 7, 2007, 05:50 AM
Um so you're telling me that Apple has come up with a feature integrated in the new OS that basically "requires me" to buy an extra hard drive in order to be valuable? So you're telling me that Apple has come up with a semi finished feature...great

Let me get this straight: First you complain that Time Machine is useless since it backs up to the same HD the system-data resides on. Then when I tell you that that is not the case, you complain that "it requires me to get a extra hard-drive"? Pray-tell: how should TM work then? Obviously it can't use the internal hard-drive since that can fail. It also can't use external hard-drive since those cost extra. What should it use then? Or should Apple provide you with free external hard-drives so you could use Time Machine? Yeah, Apple should also give it's customers free vidcams and digicams so they could use iMovie and iPhoto....

Naawww I mean, had the Mac machines been given two distinct hard drives

Like Mac Pro?

i would have understood but for me it looks a lot like Windows XP restore system introduced..what... 5 years ago at least...

Well, not exactly. TM can restore not only individual files, but also the entire system (in case of catastrophic HD failure) and data inside applications (for example: address-book entries).

pengu
Aug 7, 2007, 06:20 AM
for me it looks a lot like Windows XP restore system introduced..what... 5 years ago at least...

have you ever actually USED xp's system restore?

it's not a backup solution, its SUPPOSED to allow you to resote the OS and APPLICATIONS to a previous state. problem is, it also treats ANY FILES outside of "My Documents" as fair game. so if you say "restore to date xyz" it will REMOVE any data you have stored outside "My Documents" since that date. AND it doesn't make this "feature" known.

GuillaumeB
Aug 7, 2007, 07:19 AM
Let me get this straight: First you complain that Time Machine is useless since it backs up to the same HD the system-data resides on. Then when I tell you that that is not the case, you complain that "it requires me to get a extra hard-drive"? Pray-tell: how should TM work then?

Well I am very surprised that TM is made to run with an external HD...means that I can't "restore" a document when the portable HD is not around, that's why I thought it'd be working with the same HD which, paradoxically is not really safe.

So how it should be working? You mention that the Mac Pro can have several hard drives and this would be perfect then. It would make sense to see other apple computers with two hard drives. I cannot possibly imagine to schedule backups on a laptop as i'll never know when the external HD will be plugged. having an extra internal hard drive would make this process very very smooth


have you ever actually USED xp's system restore?
it's not a backup solution, its SUPPOSED to allow you to resote the OS and APPLICATIONS to a previous state. problem is, it also treats ANY FILES outside of "My Documents" as fair game. so if you say "restore to date xyz" it will REMOVE any data you have stored outside "My Documents" since that date. AND it doesn't make this "feature" known.

yeh thank you i actually used it...who has not? What do you think TM is apart from restoring documents and content "to a previous state"??? The only difference with TM is that you can choose which item should be restored... well 5 or 6 years after they finally found a way to do that.

Back to .Mac, it would make sense to have a more powerful iDisk as well
.Mac members have Backup 3 which enables them to make incremental backup to the iDisk or to a different drive. TM will provide the backup to a different drive so .Mac members should be able to get more from the iDisk.

By the way something a bit strange here. I have subscribed to .Mac few weeks ago..i couldn't figure out if i really wanted it or not though...so one morning I just bought it on impulse. i downloaded the Backup software. The next days i won a domain name...just adding more confusion ... to my choice. I then canceled my .Mac membership and got reimbursed.
Now the weird thing is that Backup is still fully functional and not limited to 100MB as stated for the free accounts. it just works very well on a different drive. Anyone knows why I don't seem to be limited (not that i'll complain...)

pengu
Aug 7, 2007, 07:28 AM
I cannot possibly imagine to schedule backups on a laptop as i'll never know when the external HD will be plugged.
have you ever considered that apple were smart enough to make Time Machine check if the volume is available, and if not, wait till it is?


yeh thank you i actually used it...who has not? What do you think TM is apart from restoring documents and content "to a previous state"??? The only difference with TM is that you can choose which item should be restored... well 5 or 6 years after they finally found a way to do that.

well given that this is a Mac forum, and as I stated previously, System Restore is ****, I'm generally surprised when people HAVE used it.

and, you missed my point. System Restore points are designed to revert the OS and APPLICATIONS to a previous state. it IGNORES data in "My Documents" but DESTROYS data elsewhere.

System Restore is NOT a backup solution. The only DIFFERENCE with Time Machine? Tell me the damn similarities!

Evangelion
Aug 7, 2007, 07:46 AM
Well I am very surprised that TM is made to run with an external HD...means that I can't "restore" a document when the portable HD is not around, that's why I thought it'd be working with the same HD which, paradoxically is not really safe.

So no matter how it works, it's crap?

So how it should be working? You mention that the Mac Pro can have several hard drives and this would be perfect the

Um, it wouldn't really make much sense. It would take too much space, and on laptops it would consume too much power. Point is that TM is there if you want to use it. True, you need extra HD to make backups with it, but you need extra hard-drive even if you use some other solution instead. It's the same with likes of iPhoto: It's there if you want to use it, but you really need a digicam to take advantage of it.

I cannot possibly imagine to schedule backups on a laptop as i'll never know when the external HD will be plugged.

It's not scheduled. It makes the initial backup of the system, and then it backs up as files are changed. If the HD is not plugged in, it does not back up.

having an extra internal hard drive would make this process very very smooth

Having an extra internal HD is not a viable option for most machines Apple sells at the moment. And fact is that external hard-drives work just fine for this purpose. Hell, that's the way backups SHOULD work. What if your computer was stolen? You would then lose both the system-HD AND the backup-HD that was in the machine. If you used external HD, you could just get a new computer, and restore the system from the external HD.

In short: it makes sense to keep the system and it's backup away from each other. Best case would be that you rotate the backups with at least one backup being stored off-site. You are actually advocating keeping the system and it's backup tied closely together. No, that is madness. Sure, TM would work with such a setup (with Mac Pro for example), but that does not mean that it would be a smart thing to do.

yeh thank you i actually used it...who has not? What do you think TM is apart from restoring documents and content "to a previous state"??? The only difference with TM is that you can choose which item should be restored... well 5 or 6 years after they finally found a way to do that.

Like I said, TM does other things as well. Can system-restore restore individual entries in address-book? No it can not. It might be able to restore the entire address-book to a previous state, but you can't restore one individual entry in the address-book. System-restore works on files. It can restore files to old versions. TM can do that. But TM can also restore individual items inside that file, and not all of it. And doesn't System Restore only restore the entire system? TM can do that, but it also looks after other content in your machine.

.Mac members have Backup 3 which enables them to make incremental backup to the iDisk or to a different drive. TM will provide the backup to a different drive so .Mac members should be able to get more from the iDisk.

Well, they might provide something along those lines. But iDisk is not an alternative to TM, since it can't back up everything. It simply does not have the room. Maybe they let the user create a "backup-folder" that is synced with .Mac, and they can then put important files there. But that's still not alternative to TM, since TM is meant to work with gigabytes of data, enablind the user to restore everything whereas .Mac-backups would only work with handful of files.

GuillaumeB
Aug 7, 2007, 07:47 AM
well given that this is a Mac forum, and as I stated previously, System Restore is ****, I'm generally surprised when people HAVE used it.

Couldn't agree more why do you think I moved to a Mac :)

ipodG8TR
Aug 7, 2007, 08:58 AM
Apple just took 99 Dollars from my credit card again, and i'm sure i'm not the only one who has been charched for the service

Next time buy .Mac from Amazon for $79.99 with FREE SHIPPING!

You get a code in the box that activates or renews 1 year of service. I've had .Mac for 4 years and I only paid full price the first time.

linus1
Aug 7, 2007, 09:37 AM
Happen to know retail boxes of (dot) mac are scarce. Update 99.9% likely.

dobbin
Aug 7, 2007, 09:55 AM
Here's my story.... I mainly use .mac to host and maintain my website, although I also like having my mac.com email adress as I was lucky to get a good address in the days of iTools.

In my group of friends, I always used to be the only person I know who actually had a website, because it was so easy to maintain with my Mac. I always updated it with photos of birthdays, holidays, weddings etc.

I've been doing this for over 5 years, and it used to be extremely easy with iPhoto and .mac homepage. As soon as I had copied the photos from my camera into iPhoto, I could add a photo album to my website in just a couple of minutes with about 3 clicks.

Apple spoilt this by introducing iWeb and removing the homepage feature from iPhoto. Its now a lot harder to maintain my website and my poor iBook can barely cope with the size of my new site in iWeb (That was never a problem with the incremental page additions using iPhoto/homepage).

My friends (who never used to have websites) now upload their photos to sites like flickr and facebook, and they are able to add tags so other friends can search the photos for people and events. Their free way of sharing photos is better and easier than mine, which I pay for!! They also have unlimited storage.

Apple needs to catch up QUICKLY, and preferably take the lead again with some clever new features, or I will be ditching .mac soon and I'll just use my facebook account to share my photos.

It's not about the money for me, I simply want to have the best possible system. If I have to pay then that's fine, but if something else is better then I will move across. I'll be watching with interest later on.

corywoolf
Aug 7, 2007, 01:02 PM
Thank GOD.

.Mac really needs an update!


If I get this job with Apple, I'm getting .Mac for free. :D

My free .Mac expires in about two months. It was nice while it lasted (I no longer sell Apple products), even with the update it is not worth the money IMO.

wngraham
Aug 7, 2007, 01:05 PM
Storage upgraded to 10GB for all subscribers...

Doctor Q
Aug 7, 2007, 01:21 PM
News thread: Apple Updates .Mac.