New iMacs on Tuesday?

[Virgil-TB2]

Though the mini looks a bit tricky, what could be easier than Apple's implementations of adding memory? The iMac has two screws on the bottom and a slot for the memory. The MacBook has three screws with access to both RAM slots and the hard drive. The Mac Pro, remove the side. Not uh...not sure what you want here. The only thing easier would probably be a slot load drive like the DVD. You add memory..once to a computer to max it out? Not really getting it.Well it's not rocket science to service these things, but it sure could be a whole lot easier.

The iMac has changed the location of it's memory at least twice (three times now?), and none of them are that accessible. Taking a reasonably heavy 24" iMac and tossing it on it's face on the table (put down a towel first or you'll scratch it!), two extra tiny screws to release the panel on the bottom edge and about fifteen minutes fiddling with those silly rubber circles. I have done it lots of times but it doesn't compare to the Mac Pro.

The mini needs shims to get it open and although I am fairly deft, opening an easily scratched plastic case with shims without scratching it is next to impossible. There's no reason in the world the mini couldn't be as easy to open as say.. an Apple TV. It's almost the same form factor anyway.

I guess you could say it's a slight improvement from the iMac G4 which needed a special screwdriver as well as dealing with heat conducting paste just to add memory? Or the extremely heavy, rounded iMac G3 that had to be flipped on it's back? Come to think of it has there ever been an iMac that doesn't require you to flip over it's weirdly shaped bulky self, and put it screen down (!) on the workbench to get at the memory?

I didn't really include the laptops in my comment, but now that you mention it, have you tried changing the memory on a MacBook lately? Having it under the keyboard on previous models was brilliant. Taking out the battery and that little shim-corner thingie with the three screws and then pulling the cards out of the side slots is NOT an improvement. It's nice that you can get at the hard drive easier, but everything else is a step backward.

Don't get me wrong, I love Apple's designs, but I think it's a pretty well-known fact that these original designs are not as practical to service as a tower. The Mac Pro made huge advances in serviceability last time, it would be nice to see a bit of that with the iMacs is all I am saying. Several people have posted on this very thread as to how cool it would be to have pluggable SATA drives on the iMac like on the Pro, so it can't be just me that's thinking this.

[hubristol]

Copied from another thread - just a data point to show how out of whack Apple prices are for the low end systems....


HP minitower - $1050 for 3 GiB RAM (up to 8GiB), 2.4 GHz quad core, 1066 MHz bus, 400GB, 16x DL lightscribe superdrive, 7.1 audio with digital audio in/out, 19" LCD, integrated graphics with open x16 PCIe slot for upgrade, two open x1 PCIe slots, open 3.5" disk bay, open 5.25" DVD/disk bay, 2yr warranty, 16.3x6.9x15.2 inches (1709 in³) ...

iMac - $1500 for 1 GiB RAM (up to 3GiB), 2.16 GHz dual core, 667 MHz bus, 250 GB, 8x DL superdrive, 20" LCD, ATI X1600 (not upgradeable), no expansion, 1yr warranty ($2299 with dual core 2.33 and 3 GiB)

MacPro - $2200 for 1 GiB RAM (up to 16Gib), 2.0 GHz quad core (dual dual), 1333 MHz bus, 250 GB, 16x DL superdrive, digital audio in/out, no LCD, 7300 GT 256 MiB, 3 open PCIe slots, 3 open 3.5" bays, 1 open 5.25" bay, 1 yr warranty, 20.1x8.1x18.7 inches (3045 in³), 42 lbs ($2999 with quad (dual-dual) 2.66 GHz and 3 GiB)


The second price on the Macs is when you add BTO options to come close to the CPU speed and memory of the $929^H^H^H^H $879 HP.

If Apple doesn't come out with a reasonable Mini-Tower tomorrow, I'm changing my .sig. Actually, if Apple does come out with a Mini-tower tomorrow I'll need to change my sig as well.


(full specs for HP A6152N) (http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01083552&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&product=3445434&lang=en) (link to full ad) (http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/ROP/ads.aspx?adid=4857166&advid=32664&type=)

I appreciate the honesty in this post and wish I saw more of these on this forum. The new iMac prices are definitely rubbing me the wrong way as is. I have no doubt that they'll be spectacular to look at, but the fact is that when you compare it to some other products like the one quoted above, sometimes it takes more than aesthetics to sway someone who's on the line.

I love macs because of their reliability, the operating system, and the security. I *don't* love them because I believe they're actually cheaper than the PC equivalent. Either way I'm really eager to see what happens tomorrow.

[wanderlust4ever]

Okay Steve, its now tuesday the 7th, so roll on 20.00 european time and the new imac's.Its been a bloody long wait.Lets hope it was worth waiting for.

[Virgil-TB2]

Maybe all or at least some of the new Macs will include custom H.264 encoding processors. That would definitely accelerate Apple's vision for home video and help move the Apple TV. I mean even on powerful machines video encoding is not quick.

Dedicated H.264 processors will give the Mac a similar advantage to the PC as the Amiga did over the Mac and PC back in the '80s and early '90s.This would be great for me as I am hoping for a Mac Pro update. If they put this capability in the iMac, they pretty much *have* to put them in the Pro, and that means a new motherboard (I hope/think). :)

[mongoos150]

Okay Steve, its now tuesday the 7th, so roll on 20.00 european time and the new imac's.Its been a bloody long wait.Lets hope it was worth waiting for.Not Tuesday for another 130 minutes. You're in the wrong time zone. ;)

[drake]

Whatever, it will be awesome, huge, and pretty cool, ah?

[gusapple]

This thread inspired me to make my own art. This is my rendition of the new Nano, just something that I did for a few minutes. It is my first time with Photoshop, so please pardon.
please check out the link! http://geocities.com/gusapple92/pic

[ozone]

I agree... I'd love to see a minitower or something like it. iMacs are great, but I like to have some expandability and ease of upgrade.

I went out shopping and I hate to admit it, but I came back with with an HP m8125n (Canadian model) - small tower with 2GB of RAM, 400 GB hard drive, 16X DVD-RW lightscribe, removable hard drive bay, DVI out, etc. - and a 22" HP high contrast swiveling (portrait-landscape) screen. After tax, only $1561 Cdn. A pretty fair price. Not quite as aesthetically astute as Macs, but given HP's new gloss black designs - not too bad at all.

My university is still pretty much Windows driven, so there are some things I can't get away from. Yes, I know there's Boot Camp, VMWare, Parallels, etc., but if I have to go to that extent to run a significant number of Windows programs, I might as well just stay with a Windows machine. I asked my wife if she wanted to install one of those programs on her iMac, but she said quite pointedly, "No, doesn't that sort of defeat the point?" Uhh... true...

Sure, I know it's Vista (boo!), but you know, I think I'm getting a little fed up with arguing about operating systems. After a while, it seems like they're all about the same as long as they get the job done... my XP systems (other than being slower than my PowerBook) are okay.

Of course... if a Mac tablet comes around... hey, I'm in! :D

[CJD2112]

New Cinema Displays! New Cinema Displays! It's the oldest Apple hardware in the line and needs and update for us Mac Pro users! C'mon Jobs, get with it (and I'm surprised more people haven't mentioned this fact)...

[Thertel88]

This thread inspired me to make my own art. This is my rendition of the new Nano, just something that I did for a few minutes. It is my first time with Photoshop, so please pardon.
please check out the link! http://geocities.com/gusapple92/pic


theres no way that will be an ipod..i dont know who would buy an ipod with video on a screen so small

[Aranince]

Could we possibly be getting a leopard release date?

[mathwhiz90601]

If you look at the original picture, you'll see it's from MacRumors. Certainly looks that way. All other ads are in Spanish, this one along is in English. Surely more than one member here is from a Spanish speaking country and we would have widespread posting here. But let's assume we do only have one and even if that one user spotted it, surely the grab would have still been posted here first rather than to flickr.

It's not spanish, it's italian. I take spanish in high school; that's not spanish. And it translated as italian in babel fish.

[sarahMacPerson]

My hopes for tomorrow:

(1) Quad-Core iMacs (Intel Q6600/Q6700) with support for 8gig of ram
(2) Cheaper, updated Mac Minis
(3) Price drops on Mac Pro, additional 8-core options
(3) Cheap .Mac with updated services
(4) $99 .Mac with 100+ gig of storage

and the bonus item:

(5) Closeout sale on existing Minis at our campus bookstore!

Actually, if I get even one or two of these, I'll be happy...:)

[Peace]

Copied from another thread - just a data point to show how out of whack Apple prices are for the low end systems....


HP minitower - $1050 for 3 GiB RAM (up to 8GiB), 2.4 GHz quad core, 1066 MHz bus, 400GB, 16x DL lightscribe superdrive, 7.1 audio with digital audio in/out, 19" LCD, integrated graphics with open x16 PCIe slot for upgrade, two open x1 PCIe slots, open 3.5" disk bay, open 5.25" DVD/disk bay, 2yr warranty, 16.3x6.9x15.2 inches (1709 in³) ...

iMac - $1500 for 1 GiB RAM (up to 3GiB), 2.16 GHz dual core, 667 MHz bus, 250 GB, 8x DL superdrive, 20" LCD, ATI X1600 (not upgradeable), no expansion, 1yr warranty ($2299 with dual core 2.33 and 3 GiB)

MacPro - $2200 for 1 GiB RAM (up to 16Gib), 2.0 GHz quad core (dual dual), 1333 MHz bus, 250 GB, 16x DL superdrive, digital audio in/out, no LCD, 7300 GT 256 MiB, 3 open PCIe slots, 3 open 3.5" bays, 1 open 5.25" bay, 1 yr warranty, 20.1x8.1x18.7 inches (3045 in³), 42 lbs ($2999 with quad (dual-dual) 2.66 GHz and 3 GiB)


The second price on the Macs is when you add BTO options to come close to the CPU speed and memory of the $929^H^H^H^H $879 HP.

Once again you leave out the fine print Aiden..

From your specs link :

Memory Installed 3 GB
Maximum allowed 8 GB (4 x 2 GB) (64-bit OS) note the HP doesnt come with Vista or XP 64-bit..Add on $400 for that if you want to have 8 GB of RAM

4 GB* (4 x 1 GB) (32-bit OS)

*Actual available memory may be less ( due to integrated graphics )

--------
NO Wireless...Need to buy a 802.11n card---Add $59
Integrated graphics SUCKS need to buy a comperable video card--Add $249
The 19" monitor is cheap compared to the 20" and 24" in the iMac. so you'd have to buy a decent 20" or 24"/23" LCD--Add $349
Add $400 for 64-bit Vista
The graphics port on the back is VGA :rolleyes:

So to actually bring the HP up to par with what will come out tomorrow you'd have to spend $1049 ( then wait 6 months for the rebate ) plus $59 plus $249 plus $349 plus $400 which comes up to $2106.00


Oh ya..

Then you'd have to deal with Windoze.Anti-virus programs etc..

[Thertel88]

im betting that tomorrow is just an announcement of the new imac release, which will be released the same day as leopard.

[CBAviator]

Sorry, boys and girls, I called this one a long time ago - Apple IS getting snobbish:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=311454

Let us keep in mind, however (from your linked post above)...

$1000 in the 1980s isn't exactly $1000 in today's terms. Multiply that 1000 by about 20 years of inflation and you've gotten close to $2000.

[mathwhiz90601]

-Apple Display (don’t know what their final/exact name will be): 20, 24, and 32 inches. Same form factor, however there will be rounded corners and an iSight cam built in. (side note: My team had to test color profiling on these units).

This is fake. Apple doesn't test color profiling. See 15" MacBook Pros.

[Fantomas]

That's Italian, brah. Not Spanish.

Corretto!!!
Right, so here is the help from Caput Mundi: CAZZATA = *********
Basically if you keep clicking the various links in the forum, it says they did it only to see how many s*ckers would believe it.

Sorry not even worth the translation.

P.S.
I know I should replace my i and u keys

[TheMacMan17]

Hallo,

My name are Robirt Firstoffamavichcovsky and I am work for Apple.

Tomorrow big day. Pleaz let splain to you.

Number won....new eyemac.

number too.... giant ieypod

and finally.....dotmac merge with Google cloud.

thankyoo.

(enough already)

that was really funny the more i read it the harder i laughed.
i am hoping for a option to upgrade the imacs to 2.6GHZ it might not bepossible but i can imagine:D

i love:apple:
i love :apple: products

[Chosenbydestiny]

Ditto - $ burning a hole in my pocket... will be disappointed if they aren't available immediately! I plan to buy more than 2gb ram tho - i've been using 1.5 and Aperture needs more than 2gb me thinks.

Yeah! I've already pushed my macbook c2d 2ghz to the limit! Time for my first apple desktop! Wait.... wait.... should I wait for Leopard? Hmmm....

[Thertel88]

who am i kidding, without apple there would be no copycat ipods (zune) and still have clunky pc's

on a more serious note..this morning a close friend to steve jobs has told me that he will indeed announce a new imac which is being rumored. also the new imacs will come with the new sleek keyboard and mighty mouse. the imacs will be able to play blu ray and hd dvds just like the lg superblue players

[Tomvbva]

I don't know how far in advance the processor development time is but the above referenced article says that 5 penryn chip versions were already in production and tested on 4 or 5 operating systems with corresponding apps. With desktop sale percentages relatively dropping it is imperative apple take the lead now in implementing the penryn processors rather than have to up date after others certainly will by fall making its competition even rougher in a shrinking sector of computer sales.

[TheMacMan17]

on a more serious note..this morning a close friend to steve jobs has told me that he will indeed announce a new imac which is being rumored. also the new imacs will come with the new sleek keyboard and mighty mouse. the imacs will be able to play blu ray and hd dvds just like the lg superblue players
i hope they will able to play blue ray discs that would be awesome




i would love to see the faces of pc users if that happend they allways have to arguements about how ps is better. HAHAA top built in blue ray. and we wouldn't have to pay another $1000 for the drive. HAHA i really hope that happeneds

[Chris Welch]

Doesn't shipping time usually change if a product change is imminent?

(ie. didn't the MacBook and MBP change to a few days on the eve of their update?)

Makes me think the iMac might not be available tomorrow. :(

[rob@robburns.co]

youre wrong, i think its 5pm (7 hours difference). still means ill have to wait until wednesday to go to bluewater to check out the new product/s!

No, the original poster was right. It's 6pm London time. London's uTC+1 (for DST) and California is UTC-7 (also DST). A total of 8 hours. Or 6pm.

[main chochacho]

thank god the mac mini is going away.


it doesn't sell, and its lackluster hardware performance reflects poorly on the macintosh experience for switchers (which are its supposed target demographic).


if you want a small mac with modest performance, find a second-hand iMac g4.


apple TV is a fine replacement for the "entertainment center cpu" niche.

[main chochacho]

also realize that an announcement does not equal immediate availability, online or in retail. you're most likely going to have to wait a few more days to smudge the aluminum with your grubby little fingertips.

[aafuss1]

The service manuals for the iMacs might be up after the event at:
download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Misc/Service/servicemanuals/ (only for AASP's).

[suneohair]

Once again you leave out the fine print Aiden..

From your specs link :

Memory Installed 3 GB
Maximum allowed 8 GB (4 x 2 GB) (64-bit OS) note the HP doesnt come with Vista or XP 64-bit..Add on $400 for that if you want to have 8 GB of RAM

4 GB* (4 x 1 GB) (32-bit OS)

*Actual available memory may be less ( due to integrated graphics )

--------
NO Wireless...Need to buy a 802.11n card---Add $59
Integrated graphics SUCKS need to buy a comperable video card--Add $249
The 19" monitor is cheap compared to the 20" and 24" in the iMac. so you'd have to buy a decent 20" or 24"/23" LCD--Add $349
Add $400 for 64-bit Vista
The graphics port on the back is VGA :rolleyes:

So to actually bring the HP up to par with what will come out tomorrow you'd have to spend $1049 ( then wait 6 months for the rebate ) plus $59 plus $249 plus $349 plus $400 which comes up to $2106.00


Oh ya..

Then you'd have to deal with Windoze.Anti-virus programs etc..

Aren't you also assuming someone wants to spend that and that they want OS X? Something the Mac defenders like to assume because that is what THEY want.

Spec for spec comparison are dandy and useful. But what incentive does one have to buy a Mac when they are more? Who cares if it is VGA, integrated graphics, etc, if the person doesn't care/know about it?

This place is famous for assuming everyone should want Mac OS X, making Apple exempt from offering an affordable and VIABLE (yes, not the worthless mini folks) solution for customers to break into the Mac world. These famous people are also know as apologists.

[suMMx]

thank god the mac mini is going away.


it doesn't sell, and its lackluster hardware performance reflects poorly on the macintosh experience for switchers (which are its supposed target demographic).


if you want a small mac with modest performance, find a second-hand iMac g4.


apple TV is a fine replacement for the "entertainment center cpu" niche.

maybe apple should just make it more powerful and give it a better video card. Hell that's all i want. Bring back the cube!

[Kebabselector]

thank god the mac mini is going away.
it doesn't sell, and its lackluster hardware performance reflects poorly on the macintosh experience for switchers (which are its supposed target demographic).
if you want a small mac with modest performance, find a second-hand iMac g4.
apple TV is a fine replacement for the "entertainment center cpu" niche.

It does sell, o.k. not iMac numbers but it sells (from UK retail experience).

I switched and still find the performance better than the fairly new PC it replaced.

I hate the iMac, as i'm forced to have a built in monitor

Not everyone uses the Mini as an entertainment hub.

[Mekgek]

It does sell, o.k. not iMac numbers but it sells (from UK retail experience).

I switched and still find the performance better than the fairly new PC it replaced.

I hate the iMac, as i'm forced to have a built in monitor

Not everyone uses the Mini as an entertainment hub.

^^
yeahthat


I think there are a lot of people who would never buy an imac because of the build in monitor. Also I think the iMac doesn't look very good at all, unless they slim it down significantly and change the colour. The white is just ' too much white'

A mini with higher specs would be the perfect computer for me.

[koobcamuk]

WOW, guess apple doesn't want to get rid of the old reputation of being expensive.

Geesh.That's a lot of money, so much for the sub $999 market.

Sub £500 market? For a desktop? And screen? That [apple] market would only exist if Apple exploited China even more!

[koobcamuk]

Okay Steve, its now tuesday the 7th, so roll on 20.00 european time and the new imac's.Its been a bloody long wait.Lets hope it was worth waiting for.

Do you mean GMT? I have never heard of 'European time' and this could mean a lot of time zones!

[bogg]

Do you mean GMT? I have never heard of 'European time' and this could mean a lot of time zones!


He could mean CET (Central European Time)

[jfanning]

Do you mean GMT? I have never heard of 'European time' and this could mean a lot of time zones!

No, they probably mean CET

[jonaseriksson]

IDG Sweden claims this was sent out to local resellers:

IMAC 20/2.4/1GB/320GB/SD/AP/BT-SWE MA877S/A
20 tum
2,4 Ghz (2,16 GHz)
1 GB minne (1 GB)
320 GB hårddisk (250 GB)
Pris: Cirka 1000 kronor mindre än idag. (SEK 1000 less than today)


IMAC 24/2.4/1GB/320GB/SD/AP/BT-SWE MA878S/A
24 tum
2,4 Ghz (2,16 GHz)
1 GB minne (1 GB)
320 GB hårddisk (250 GB)
Pris: Cirka 1000 kronor mindre än idag. (SEK 1000 less than today)


MMINI 2.0C2D/120/SD-SWE MB139S/A
2.0 GhZ (1,66 resp. 1,83 GHz)
Core2duo
120 GB
Pris: 6500-7000 kronor (6000-8000 kr)

[ariel]

IDG Sweden claims this was sent out to local resellers:
...

IMAC 24/2.4/1GB/320GB/SD/AP/BT-SWE MA878S/A
24 tum
2,4 Ghz (2,16 GHz)
1 GB minne (1 GB)
320 GB hårddisk (250 GB)
Pris: Cirka 1000 kronor mindre än idag. (SEK 1000 less than today)



I'm gonna be disappointed in 1GB of memory base if true. (but i'm only one guy and i'll spring for more)

[aswitcher]

IDG Sweden claims this was sent out to local resellers:

IMAC 20/2.4/1GB/320GB/SD/AP/BT-SWE MA877S/A
20 tum
2,4 Ghz (2,16 GHz)
1 GB minne (1 GB)
320 GB hårddisk (250 GB)
Pris: Cirka 1000 kronor mindre än idag. (SEK 1000 less than today)


IMAC 24/2.4/1GB/320GB/SD/AP/BT-SWE MA878S/A
24 tum
2,4 Ghz (2,16 GHz)
1 GB minne (1 GB)
320 GB hårddisk (250 GB)
Pris: Cirka 1000 kronor mindre än idag. (SEK 1000 less than today)


MMINI 2.0C2D/120/SD-SWE MB139S/A
2.0 GhZ (1,66 resp. 1,83 GHz)
Core2duo
120 GB
Pris: 6500-7000 kronor (6000-8000 kr)


If true I am a bit disappointed.

Why now 2GB standard ram...

No info on graphics cards

[aafuss1]

If true I am a bit disappointed.

Why now 2GB standard ram...

No info on graphics cards

Is a IDG owned site a reliable source?

The part numbers are authentic-most new Apple products p/n start with "MB or ma"

2GB is standard on MacBook Pro's.

[BrokenChairs]

Oh yeah well i predict that the 'Ultra' model will have a SuperDuperDrive and will be coined the 'Duper' model. And it will be patented and subsequently copied by Japanese companies with names you can't pronounce.

How do you like them iMacs?

Lol love the 'Duper' model. Unfortunately I'll be asleep when the news would have been broken, so I guess an exciting morning tomorrow!

I do hope that the Mac Mini gets something, only because I want to use one as a media centre :)

[Zygon Gambit]

If true I am a bit disappointed.

Every update, most people here are disapointed.

[schalkse]

it's sexy though.

http://i17.tinypic.com/4y9xhlk.jpg

[paetrick]

IDG Sweden claims this was sent out to local resellers:

IMAC 20/2.4/1GB/320GB/SD/AP/BT-SWE MA877S/A
20 tum
2,4 Ghz (2,16 GHz)
1 GB minne (1 GB)
320 GB hårddisk (250 GB)
Pris: Cirka 1000 kronor mindre än idag. (SEK 1000 less than today)


IMAC 24/2.4/1GB/320GB/SD/AP/BT-SWE MA878S/A
24 tum
2,4 Ghz (2,16 GHz)
1 GB minne (1 GB)
320 GB hårddisk (250 GB)
Pris: Cirka 1000 kronor mindre än idag. (SEK 1000 less than today)


MMINI 2.0C2D/120/SD-SWE MB139S/A
2.0 GhZ (1,66 resp. 1,83 GHz)
Core2duo
120 GB
Pris: 6500-7000 kronor (6000-8000 kr)
[/QUOTE]

Probably not true, they would never only release 2 models... , and why would the source leave out graphiccard and so on?

[newkeyboard]

it's sexy though.

http://i17.tinypic.com/4y9xhlk.jpg

it's fake though:rolleyes:

[turlehe]

Probably not true, they would never only release 2 models... , and why would the source leave out graphiccard and so on?[/QUOTE]

i remember reading on here a few months back that one of the imac models were being dropped.

[widaa1]

is there any chance of a nvidia 8700gt being used in the new top of the line imac instead of the nvidia 8600gt? im hoping to upgrade to these new imacs as soon as they are available :D

[aafuss1]

it's sexy though.

http://i17.tinypic.com/4y9xhlk.jpg

Very thin-where would all the components fit in?

[schalkse]

it's fake though:rolleyes:

Crap, was reading the page 2 rumors and there it was lol.

[Schtumple]

This is what i reckon is a reasonable guess for what is to happen

$1199
20"
2.2GHZ
1GB (upto 4gb)
160GB
SuperDrive
X3100

$1499
20"
2.2GHZ (option to 2.4)
2GB
250GB
SuperDrive
8600 - 128 (option to 256gt)

$1799
24"
2.4GHZ
2GB
250GB
SuperDrive
8600gt - 256

For once, a prediction that actually seems reasonable, probably the closest prediction so far

[markfc]

woo hoo, UK store is down...

[Offe]

Found this on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac

"On August 7th 2007, Apple announced it was retiring the aging iMac line and replacing with a new consumer desktop notably named Mac. The Mac featured a brushed aluminum finish, and was also the first Apple computer to included a Blu-Ray player."

What do you think? I think it might be true and that is gonna come in 20,24 an 28" models.

[aswitcher]

woo hoo, UK store is down...

Um seems up to me...

[Manic Mouse]

woo hoo, UK store is down...

No it's not!

[thekingdavids]

Found this on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac

"On August 7th 2007, Apple announced it was retiring the aging iMac line and replacing with a new consumer desktop notably named Mac. The Mac featured a brushed aluminum finish, and was also the first Apple computer to included a Blu-Ray player."

What do you think? I think it might be true and that is gonna come in 20,24 an 28" models.

If this is true, that would be awesome!

[aafuss1]

Found this on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac

"On August 7th 2007, Apple announced it was retiring the aging iMac line and replacing with a new consumer desktop notably named Mac. The Mac featured a brushed aluminum finish, and was also the first Apple computer to included a Blu-Ray player."

What do you think? I think it might be true and that is gonna come in 20,24 an 28" models.

False-it was quickly removed.

[aafuss1]

Found this on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac

"On August 7th 2007, Apple announced it was retiring the aging iMac line and replacing with a new consumer desktop notably named Mac. The Mac featured a brushed aluminum finish, and was also the first Apple computer to included a Blu-Ray player."

What do you think? I think it might be true and that is gonna come in 20,24 an 28" models.

False-it was quickly removed.

Apple Oz and US store still up-and iMacs are 24hr shipping time as of 9pm AEST.

[Offe]

False-it was quickly removed.

Its still there.

[zedsdead]

If this is true, that would be awesome!

Apple will not simply add a Blu-Ray player...they are supporters of BOTH HD DVD and Blu-Ray. IF anything is added in this regard tomorrow, it will be a combo drive similar to the LG Players.

[a456]

woo hoo, UK store is down...

No it's not.

[thekingdavids]

Apple will not simply add a Blu-Ray player...they are supporters of BOTH HD DVD and Blu-Ray. IF anything is added in this regard tomorrow, it will be a combo drive similar to the LG Players.

Also if they were to offer a combo drive, Apple would most likely make it an expensive option on the high end model!

[tomd89]

Hopefully we will see a whole new iMac, not just another refresh with larger screens and cheaper price points.

[thekingdavids]

I really hope that when they say the iMacs are expected to have brushed aluminium they do not just mean keeping the current design but adding brushed aluminuim instead of the white plastic.

[Dont Hurt Me]

The all in one does seem to force people with decent monitors to go Mini or Macpro with nothing in the middle. This has to run off a lot of people wanting a mid grade machine. Mini is barebones and Pro is just to much. Not having a mid grade machine to compliment the imac is a strange formula for chasing off people.

[Adamo]

Apple will not simply add a Blu-Ray player...they are supporters of BOTH HD DVD and Blu-Ray. IF anything is added in this regard tomorrow, it will be a combo drive similar to the LG Players.
Having a combo drive in there or even one of the formats would be commercial suicide. There is no real need for either of them (or both) and I doubt they'll commit until the discs are cheap enough to buy and when there's a real demand for it. Optional on the high-end iMac and Mac Pros would be fine, but mandatory wouldn't be wise.

[Kebabselector]

woo hoo, UK store is down...

To be fair to MarkFC, the UK Apple store does seem to fall down when more than 12 people access it.

[zedsdead]

Having a combo drive in there or even one of the formats would be commercial suicide. There is no real need for either of them (or both) and I doubt they'll commit until the discs are cheap enough to buy and when there's a real demand for it. Optional on the high-end iMac and Mac Pros would be fine, but mandatory wouldn't be wise.

I completely agree, it would likely be an option only...the point was that a lot of people are posting either to add a Blu-Ray player or HD DVD player, when Apple is committed to both...

[stephenli]

Apple will not simply add a Blu-Ray player...they are supporters of BOTH HD DVD and Blu-Ray. IF anything is added in this regard tomorrow, it will be a combo drive similar to the LG Players.

Apple is one of the BOD of the Blu-Ray disc association.
well...a BD-R drive for Built-to-order option would be nice.
pls also include free upgrade for Leopard....please~~~~~

[reflex]

Found this on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac

As anyone can edit a wikipedia article, I wouldn't treat it as any sort of authority on upcoming events.

[zedsdead]

Apple is one of the BOD of the Blu-Ray disc association.
well...a BD-R drive for Built-to-order option would be nice.
pls also include free upgrade for Leopard....please~~~~~

If you have every used DVD Studio Pro, you would know that Apple currently can deliver Red-Laser HD DVD's...THEY SUPPORT BOTH>what is so hard to understand...they supported HD DVD first in fact because it was first to allow for H.264 playback...Blu-Ray added it later on...Apple supports both due to the support of their codec.

Leopard may be needed though to playback or write to the disks...

[AlexisV]

It 'supports' both, but is on the side of Blu Ray.

HD-DVD is dead in the water anyway and it's becoming increasingly evident that it will be the 'losing' format.

We might see an option of a Blu Ray drive, but it will be expensive. Sony are selling them at a loss because they want to get them established. Apple won't do that.

[ImAlwaysRight]

I have heard this for years, but it still makes little sense to me that Apple would make a mini-tower.
This price/performance slot is filled by the iMac right now.

... I have worked in an all Mac environment for many years now and 95% or more of all the upgrade requests I have seen are for a simple memory upgrade.

Maybe that's because on everything but the Mac Pro/Power Mac, memory is the only thing Apple tells one they can upgrade. :rolleyes:

Excluding the Mini, that is. :o

[lukechip]

im betting that tomorrow is just an announcement of the new imac release, which will be released the same day as leopard.

I'm thinking this could well be right. If the rumours about Intel bringing Penryn forward are right, then the dates would line up well.

Then again, Steve did say that the iPhone pre-announcement was not the new normal process for Apple product releases..... so an iMac pre-announcement would go against this.

[ju5tin81]

Anyone referring to that fake google adsense (http://pablogger.wordpress.com/)for the 28/24 inch touchscreen iMac... Photoshop: upped the levels... Showcases the fakery... They'll need to try better than that!:rolleyes: A challenge!;)

[owen-b]

If Apple announced the new iMacs and then didn't make them available till the release of Leopard they could wave goodbye to making ANY revenue from the current iMacs for the next two months. Stock price plummets, they lose a LOT of cash. Stupid, and never going to happen. The only reason they did it for the iPhone was because they had to register the phone with the FCC and it would have leaked so they made the announcement. Also, they weren't going to kill exisiting sales because the device didn't already exist...

Anyway, a chum on another forum has posted this:

Spec leak from MacWorld in Sweden ...

IMAC 20/2.4/1GB/320GB/SD/AP/BT-SWE MA877S/A
20 tum
2,4 Ghz (2,16 GHz)
1 GB minne (1 GB)
320 GB hårddisk (250 GB)
Pris: Cirka 1000 kronor mindre än idag.


IMAC 24/2.4/1GB/320GB/SD/AP/BT-SWE MA878S/A
24 tum
2,4 Ghz (2,16 GHz)
1 GB minne (1 GB)
320 GB hårddisk (250 GB)
Pris: Cirka 1000 kronor mindre än idag.


MMINI 2.0C2D/120/SD-SWE MB139S/A
2.0 GhZ (1,66 resp. 1,83 GHz)
Core2duo
120 GB
Pris: 6500-7000 kronor (6000-8000 kr)

Only two iMac models listed when we have three prices from the other source. I would guess the other is a slightly lower spec 20" if the above is true. Unless they are 20", 24" and 24"? Maybe the ultra model at $1799 has extra RAM and a better video card.

Who knows? Maybe time to stop speculating and wait, eh? But if the new iMacs have 1GB of RAM I'll be VERY p'd off.

[wvtbred]

What about a real surprise with NEW iMac's (they will keep the name) being shipped immediately with a Beta version of Leopard?

Give me a black 20 or 24" that flies and I will be really happy.

[Bengt77]

if true, I don't like the elevated price points. Hopefully a new mini to fill the gap?
Sure, the low end $999 price seems to be gone, but still... how can a (rumoured) drop from $1999 to $1799 be considered to be an elevation?!... :eek:

[sfwalter]

If Apple announced the new iMacs and then didn't make them available till the release of Leopard they could wave goodbye to making ANY revenue from the current iMacs for the next two months. Stock price plummets, they lose a LOT of cash. Stupid, and never going to happen. The only reason they did it for the iPhone was because they had to register the phone with the FCC and it would have leaked so they made the announcement. Also, they weren't going to kill exisiting sales because the device didn't already exist...

Anyway, a chum on another forum has posted this:



Who knows? Maybe time to stop speculating and wait, eh? But if the new iMacs have 1GB of RAM I'll be VERY p'd off.

at least gives me some hope that the Mac Mini will continue

[Compile 'em all]

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8845/imacqj8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
source (http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?postid=331747505#post331747505)

[bobobo]

A combo drive in ANY modern computer is simply insane.

It is not done for a cost reason. It is to try and get you buy the next model up.
Integrated graphics would also be ridiculous.

False. Outdated graphics would be ridiculous. Integrated just mean it is printed on the same board. Apple used to integrate RAM. The future is to integrate graphic processing onto the same silicon as the CPU.

[xUKHCx]

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8845/imacqj8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Love the integrated iPod Shuffles

[netdog]

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8845/imacqj8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

gorgeous :)

[teleromeo]

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8845/imacqj8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

This is about the ugliest thing I ever saw

[wvtbred]

This is about the ugliest thing I ever saw

Definitely not the prettiest

[jessica.]

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8845/imacqj8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

LMFAO ok that actually made me laugh.

[aafuss1]

LMFAO ok that actually made me laugh.

Very funny mockup indeed.

[cigrainger]

I'm thinking this could well be right. If the rumours about Intel bringing Penryn forward are right, then the dates would line up well.

Then again, Steve did say that the iPhone pre-announcement was not the new normal process for Apple product releases..... so an iMac pre-announcement would go against this.

Not a chance, that would be commercial suicide. They'd not sell a single iMac for the next 1-2 months until the release. I don't think a major company is that stupid.

[gloss]

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8845/imacqj8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
source (http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?postid=331747505#post331747505)

lol. Resistance is futile.

[Compile 'em all]

LMFAO ok that actually made me laugh.

Laugh all you want. You will regret it in a few hours, when Jobs unveils the new iMac. And it will look just like this mock up :D

[wvtbred]

Laugh all you want. You will regret it in a few hours, when Jobs unveils the new iMac. And it will look just like this mock up :D

Then I won't buy it.

[lukechip]

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8845/imacqj8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
source (http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?postid=331747505#post331747505)

I am laughing so hard it hurts.....

Very good !

[wvtbred]

I am laughing so hard it hurts.....

Very good !

and especially nice job on the ears

[AidenShaw]

To add to these fine comments:

Aren't you also assuming someone wants to spend that and that they want OS X? Something the Mac defenders like to assume because that is what THEY want.

Spec for spec comparison are dandy and useful. But what incentive does one have to buy a Mac when they are more? Who cares if it is VGA, integrated graphics, etc, if the person doesn't care/know about it?....

And I'll add "can't justify or perhaps afford it".

Some models of Hondas and Toyotas are basically the same as their much higher priced Acura and Lexus cousins. Some people don't want or need the heated power butt-washers or whatever - so the Hondas and Toyotas sell.



Memory Installed 3 GB
Maximum allowed 8 GB (4 x 2 GB) (64-bit OS)

Ummm, we are talking about an entry system here, and comparing it with an iMac that has *never* supported more memory than the $879 HP comes with as standard.

Also, the important thing about the memory is that the minitower and motherboard support 4 DDR2 DIMM slots. While this allows for a max of 8 GiB using 2 GiB DIMMs, the more important thing for the entry is that cheaper smaller DIMMs can be used.

The 3 GiB is 2x1GiB + 2x512MiB - which can easily be found for $120 online and probably far less at the volumes that HP buys. A single 2 GiB DIMM is about $100 online - quite a bit more than the price for two 1 GiB DIMMs.

(64-bit OS) note the HP doesnt come with Vista or XP 64-bit..Add on $400 for that if you want to have 8 GB of RAM..

Once again, you leave out the facts.

Vista Home Premium 64-bit - $114.99 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116204)

And you'll qualify for the OEM price if you buy the x64 kit along with the $400 to $500 that the 8 GiB will cost you.

But anyway, the 64-bit issue is moot - my sister won't need even 2 GiB....


NO Wireless...Need to buy a 802.11n card---Add $59...

Nope, don't need wireless. Office is wired, and wireless sucks for performance compared to a Cat5 cable.


Integrated graphics SUCKS need to buy a comperable video card--Add $249..

Let's see, you think that the 128 MiB X1600 chip in the iMac is comparable to a GeForce 8600GTS 256MiB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - since that one can be purchased for $240? Or perhaps a Radeon X1950XT 256MiB GDDR3 AGP 8X HDCP Video Card for $260?

And, integrated graphics are pretty good for most tasks and most people - and the HP has the newest GMA3100.... It's DX9c and has video decode offload engines.

I think that you're dreaming up stuff to jack up the price of the HP....


The 19" monitor is cheap compared to the 20" and 24" in the iMac. so you'd have to buy a decent 20" or 24"/23" LCD--Add $349[/url]

And the great thing is that I *can* buy a different monitor!

Anyway, you haven't even seen the HP, so perhaps you don't know that it's pretty good, and it's a big jump up from what my sister has now.


Add $400 for 64-bit Vista

Still harping on that?
__________________________________________

Actually, though, I have upgraded the system a little.


$113 - 512 MiB GDDR2 nVidia GeForce 8500 GT x16 PCIe graphics (VGA+DVI+TVout) - silent Asus EN8500GT - no fan (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121072)
$210 - 750 GB Seagate Barracuda for 2nd internal drive slot (1.15 TB total disk) -- for $200 added to the iMac, you'd get a total of 500GB :mad:
$104 - AverTV PCIe NTSC/ATSC/QAM TV/cable/digitalcable tuner w/ MCE remote - http://www.aver.com/mpd/combopcie_mce.html


So my $1050 HP is now a full Media Center for $1477 - still less than the iMac.

[urbanskywalker]

Apple is not going to ship a mac with a beta version of it's software, this would go against the mac design mentality completely. This is not Windows world here.

What about a real surprise with NEW iMac's (they will keep the name) being shipped immediately with a Beta version of Leopard?

Give me a black 20 or 24" that flies and I will be really happy.

[ju5tin81]

Not a chance, that would be commercial suicide. They'd not sell a single iMac for the next 1-2 months until the release. I don't think a major company is that stupid.

New enough not to remember the iMac G4->G5 transition? At least 2 months no iMacs available AT ALL! Apple had no back-up plan, just stopped making the G4, and announced 'G5 aint ready, oops, instead of a price drop, or a RAM boost or even a colour change or just ANYthing, we'll just sell nothing till it's ready' (Supply issues, hence the eventual intel thing.)


So: "I don't think a major company is that stupid"... It has been before...
Only 4 hours to go till the Flower Power & Blue Dalmation 24" iMac Core 2 Duo! ;)

[wvtbred]

Apple is not going to ship a mac with a beta version of it's software, this would go against the mac design mentality completely. This is not Windows world here.


OK then with a full fledge version of Leopard

[cigrainger]

New enough not to remember the iMac G4->G5 transition? At least 2 months no iMacs available AT ALL! Apple had no back-up plan, just stopped making the G4, and announced 'G5 aint ready, oops, instead of a price drop, or a RAM boost or even a colour change or just ANYthing, we'll just sell nothing till it's ready' (Supply issues, hence the eventual intel thing.)


So: "I don't think a major company is that stupid"... It has been before...
Only 4 hours to go till the Flower Power & Blue Dalmation 24" iMac Core 2 Duo! ;)

All the more reason not to do it this time around.

[c.joe.go]

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8845/imacqj8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
source (http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?postid=331747505#post331747505)


i love how simple this is. really is more like art than it is a computer.

ugly-impractical-cheaply built-enormous art, that is.

i will take two please. ;)

[Compile 'em all]

OK then with a full fledge version of Leopard

Leopard will ship in October. The End.

[Praeliber]

Any chance of new cinema display ? Something like a Led cinema display 20 inches for 299 ? Would be great no ?

[dakis]

Leopard will ship in October. The End.

Nope, I'd say will not ship BEFORE October. Could be much later than that if it's delayed again - which is very much a possibility.

[atari1356]

So my $1050 HP is now a full Media Center for $1477 - still less than the iMac.

To each his own. I'd much rather pay the slight premium for a computer that runs Mac OS X... Windows just gets in the way, and you run a much higher risk of getting viruses/spyware.

Plus, I really like Aperture - and that won't run very well on the cheapo HP system. ;)

[zen]

I was just reading in another thread that the standard Apple keyboard and mouse have dropped to huge shipping times (haven't checked myself). Given that leaked keyboard photo set that came out a while ago, I wonder if actually the entire Mac line is going to be revamped, from mini to Mac Pro, with keyboard and mouse.

Obviously that would be an uber-update and worthy of a special event.

On the other hand, seeing as they called a special event to unveil the iPod leather case and that lame hi-fi thing, I'm starting to worry that this event is going to be about JUST the keyboard and mouse! Especially as all the Mac computers have normal shipping times from the online store last time I looked!

Heh. I doubt it of course. But I wonder about mini + iMac + Mac Pro + .mac - a complete desktop overhaul?

[Kebabselector]

T
Plus, I really like Aperture - and that won't run very well on the cheapo HP system. ;)

To be fair Aperture doesn't run very well on most of the cheaper Macs. It's a hog of a program compared to Lightroom.

[BKKbill]

Then I won't buy it.

If this is it I've just saved 1799.00

[Toe]

Here's how it's gonna go down.

The new iMac is a full touchscreen interface, like the iPhone. It is an ultra-thin panel that pops off of its base and becomes a touch-interfaced tablet computer.

If you want a more conventional desktop Mac, then get the high end Mac Pro, or the new Mac mini, now with a Core 2 Duo and a PCI slot. Plug either into the new Apple Display with iSight.

Concurrent with this, Apple is releasing iWork '08, which includes Charts for spreadsheets and a new fully Word-compatible version of Pages, making it a great MS-Office-killer.

They're also releasing iLife '08, which brings iChat into the iLife suite, because...

iLife will integrate into the new .Mac, which now has full VOIP telephony as part of its service. It also has a robust blog engine (tied to iWeb), plus a couple features you never really thought of before.

Oh, and the Apple TV will, of course, interact ingeniously with all of the above.

There. Now isn't that more interesting than some little iMac redesign?

[cigrainger]

If it's just the keyboard and mouse, I'm going to be livid.

[AidenShaw]

Plus, I really like Aperture - and that won't run very well on the cheapo HP system. ;)

Yes, you'd need to switch to Lightroom for similar capabilities on Vista...

http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/2007/03/05/lightroom-vs-aperture.html

"Overall, Lightroom was much faster, but if I had a super fast MacPro and 5 or 6GB of RAM, I bet that would speed up Aperture. Of course, Lightroom would feel like it was on crack cocaine if I was using that same computer."

Probably the 4 cores of the HP would help too ;)

[zedsdead]

If it's just the keyboard and mouse, I'm going to be livid.

I will as well...still banking on a quad-core iMac.

[cigrainger]

I will as well...still banking on a quad-core iMac.

I'm hoping for 24" to fall to the $1499 bracket, but a processor improvement would be very nice. Most importantly, I'd like a 1x1gb stock ram config rather than 2x512mb, or an upgrade to 2gb stock. New graphics card, larger hard drive, and brushed aluminium to top it off.

I'm guessing new iLife/iWork will be announced and shown off, which will come with Leopard in October. I wish they'd announce free upgrades to Leopard for all Macs bought after today.

[main chochacho]

you guys are ridiculous.. it's fun to speculate, but just about every prediction is way outside of reality and apple's nature.


you won't see leopard. PERIOD.

you won't see revolutionary interface changes.

you won't see a simple rehash with nothing but new material used for the enclosure.


you will see the slimmest all-in-one desktop machine ever produced (think macbook pro thin) with the sleekest and most simple design yet. LED monitor, Santa Rosa chipset.

There will be much drooling.

[zen]

Oh man, I really don't know what the people who want a touchscreen iMac are drinking/eating/smoking, but it is utterly ridiculous. Ergonomically disastrous, screen-dirtying, and pointless when you have a MOUSE.

As for a touchscreen iMac with a screen that detaches to become a tablet - do you really think you can sit a 24" display across your lap comfortably, or carry it around?

Touchscreen desktop is both insane and completely useless.

Regarding it just being the keyboard and mouse, I was joking! But the leather iPod case "special event" still makes me laugh.

[jacobj]

On the other hand, seeing as they called a special event to unveil the iPod leather case and that lame hi-fi thing, I'm starting to worry that this event is going to be about JUST the keyboard and mouse! Especially as all the Mac computers have normal shipping times from the online store last time I looked!


Apple have made quite a few bad judgement calls in the past, but they have generally responded to the reaction and rectified the mistake at a later date. SJ appears to be an opinionated chap and that drives the company on a clear track, but he is also a listener and that ensures the company hops back on the track when they take a new corner a bit wide. It is my guess that we will never see the likes of the iPod Hi-Fi and leather case fiasco again!

[main chochacho]

apple is so completely focused on the phone and its sales that you will not see anything hugely groundbreaking, and certainly nothing that would possibly steal the show from the iphone.

apple's strategy in general for the foreseeable future is phone, phone, phone.

the imac update is merely a long overdue refresh.

[AidenShaw]

Apple is not going to ship a mac with a beta version of it's software, this would go against the mac design mentality completely. This is not Windows world here.

We won't mention OSX 10.0 then....

[overcast]

Oh man, I really don't know what the people who want a touchscreen iMac are drinking/eating/smoking, but it is utterly ridiculous. Ergonomically disastrous, screen-dirtying, and pointless when you have a MOUSE.

As for a touchscreen iMac with a screen that detaches to become a tablet - do you really think you can sit a 24" display across your lap comfortably, or carry it around?

Touchscreen desktop is both insane and completely useless.

Regarding it just being the keyboard and mouse, I was joking! But the leather iPod case "special event" still makes me laugh.
I've been meaning to post this forever. The whole touchscreen desktop is so far out in the future it's not even worth mentioning. There is endless amounts of usability and cleanliness issues to sort out it's not even funny. Look at how dirty your monitors get now, now put your hands ALL OVER THEM, ALL DAY. I seriously don't believe physically touching the screen is the future of interfaces.

[main chochacho]

We won't mention OSX 10.0 then....

those were different days, and it was a completely new operating system.

you can't compare OS9 --> OS X to Tiger --> Leopard.


The mac platform was in sorry shape at that time, and OS X (even if it was buggy and terribly slow) was the answer. I mean.. you couldn't even use a pulldown menu and watch a movie simultaneously in those days. It was becoming an emergency situation..

[zen]

I've been meaning to post this forever. The whole touchscreen desktop is so far out in the future it's not even worth mentioning. There is endless amounts of usability and cleanliness issues to sort out it's not even funny. Look at how dirty your monitors get now, now put your hands ALL OVER THEM, ALL DAY. I seriously don't believe physically touching the screen is the future of interfaces.

Agree completely. There is no point to it, when the same can be accomplished more efficiently, with less movement, and more ergonomically, with a mouse.

iPhone, iPod, fine. Office fax/photocopier/scanner, good. Desktop computer? No way.

[Compile 'em all]

I seriously don't believe physically touching the screen is the future of interfaces.

iPhone anyone?

[kontheur]

He guys, remember this?

http://www.businessinnovationinsider.com/Apple%202007.jpg

[ariel]

ok, i admit it, i'm weak - the next 2 hours are gonna wipe me out... if i was broke, this wouldn't bother me so much heehee - i've been sitting on $2000 just waiting for a new imac for months and months and months

[zen]

iPhone anyone?

For a device you hold with no other inputs, of course. But a big desktop, with a keyboard, mouse, graphics tablet, you name it, touchscreen is not going to happen.

[zen]

He guys, remember this?

http://www.businessinnovationinsider.com/Apple%202007.jpg

Ah yes. Just like 2006 (or was it 2005?) was the Year of the Laptop, and after one release they didn't get a refresh for most of the rest of the year. Or how the CRT was dead when the G4 iMac came out, then the eMac arrived.

Having said that, I'm still wondering about a COMPLETE system-wide refresh of all Mac computers today. That would certainly be a big event.

[owen-b]

apple is so completely focused on the phone and its sales that you will not see anything hugely groundbreaking, and certainly nothing that would possibly steal the show from the iphone.

apple's strategy in general for the foreseeable future is phone, phone, phone.

the imac update is merely a long overdue refresh.

Utter iPhone fanboy rubbish ;)

They need to put the focus back on their computers and this event will presumably do that.

[wvtbred]

you guys are ridiculous.. it's fun to speculate, but just about every prediction is way outside of reality and apple's nature.


you won't see leopard. PERIOD.



There will be much drooling.

Everyone is allowed to their opinion and true it is all speculation but I don't think me saying that Leopard will be included in the new iMac's and anything else that comes out is that far fetched. Curtainly not the most far fetched thing posted in this thread. If it is is would provide the "WOW" factor to the event.

[Thertel88]

all jobs is going to announce is how well his iphone is doing, and maybe MAYBE a small update to .mac

oh and a brand new leather case for the iphone

and probally a new mac vs. pc commercial...hasnt been one in a while

[ariel]

Everyone is allowed to their opinion and true it is all speculation but I don't think me saying that Leopard will be included in the new iMac's and anything else that comes out is that far fetched. Curtainly not the most far fetched thing posted in this thread. If it is is would provide the "WOW" factor to the event.

No offense, but we usually get word of OS releases "nearing final" and "gone golden master" before they really ship... too many stories of bugs in current betas

[LoganT]

Here's how it's gonna go down.

The new iMac is a full touchscreen interface, like the iPhone. It is an ultra-thin panel that pops off of its base and becomes a touch-interfaced tablet computer.

So what you're saying is, people are going to be cradling a 24" screen in their arms while using multi-touch? Please think logically.

[Nick12945]

all jobs is going to announce is how well his iphone is doing, and maybe MAYBE a small update to .mac

oh and a brand new leather case for the iphone

and probally a new mac vs. pc commercial...hasnt been one in a while

Ive been wanting a new leather case!

[Thomas2006]

From: tim@apple.com
Subject: Apple August 7 Event
Date: August 5, 2007 6:13:15 PM MST
To: tipline@gmail.com
I think this is fake. I do not see Apple getting rid of the Mac mini without putting something in its place. Apple will either update the Mac mini, or as I believe, replace it with a mini-tower starting at $999. If Apple is going to keep the mini then I can see them using "old" technology to keep it an entry-level Mac, which might be the reason why it wasn't touched in so long.

This update:

Mac mini gets a 65nm Core 2 Duo (no Santa Rosa)
iMac, Mac Pro, MacBook Pro get the 45nm "Penryn"
MacBook gets Santa Rosa (still 65nm Core 2 Duo)


Next update:

Mac mini gets Santa Rosa (still 65nm Core 2 Duo)
iMac, Mac Pro, MacBook Pro get speed bump and maybe extras like BTO Blu-ray
MacBook gets "Penryn"


Update after next:

Mac mini gets "Penryn"
iMac, Mac Pro, MacBook Pro get next chipset "Montecito"(?)
MacBook gets speed bump


I think you get the idea.

[BKKbill]

Here's how it's gonna go down.

The new iMac is a full touchscreen interface, like the iPhone. It is an ultra-thin panel that pops off of its base and becomes a touch-interfaced tablet computer.



Lets just get this iMac out so we can stop hearing about this touchscreen dribble. It's not I repeat not going to happen.

[BKKbill]

all jobs is going to announce is how well his iphone is doing, and maybe MAYBE a small update to .mac

oh and a brand new leather case for the iphone

and probally a new mac vs. pc commercial...hasnt been one in a while

:rolleyes:

[torrid30]

Ok, let's say that the new iMac's are announced today. (I have my hopes up as much as everyone else, but until Steve says "look at our new iMacs" at the event it's all still up in the air.)

But from the past releases of redesigned iMacs (and other redesigned products) what is the general shipping time for them? I'm curious because if/when the iMacs are announced today, AND if they are available for purchase today, I'd want to know where to ship the computer. I'm heading down to school next Wednesday, August 15th, and if the shipping is going to be a week or two then it'd need to be shipped to school. If Apple prepares for the onslaught of purchases and the shipping is 24 hours, then I could ship it to my home.

Again just curious if there were any shipping delays and such when new products have been released in Apple's past.

Thanks in advance.

Torrid

[mongoos150]

:rolleyes:+1

[mongoos150]

Ok, let's say that the new iMac's are announced today. (I have my hopes up as much as everyone else, but until Steve says "look at our new iMacs" at the event it's all still up in the air.)

But from the past releases of redesigned iMacs (and other redesigned products) what is the general shipping time for them? I'm curious because if/when the iMacs are announced today, AND if they are available for purchase today, I'd want to know where to ship the computer. I'm heading down to school next Wednesday, August 15th, and if the shipping is going to be a week or two then it'd need to be shipped to school. If Apple prepares for the onslaught of purchases and the shipping is 24 hours, then I could ship it to my home.

Again just curious if there were any shipping delays and such when new products have been released in Apple's past.

Thanks in advance.

TorridAt least a week. 2 if you CTO.

[Toe]

So what you're saying is, people are going to be cradling a 24" screen in their arms while using multi-touch? Please think logically.

First, tablets are not the same as laptops. They have a variety of applications, and someone like a graphic artist would kill for a 24" touchscreen. IIRC, Apple does sometimes like to cater to graphic artists, no?

Second, if you couldn't tell, I was detailing a pie-in-the-sky scenario. It would be awesome if Apple could do all the things I listed, but I kinda doubt they'll go that far. Of course, I'll be totally let down if they don't do even more than what I described. :D

[Hattig]

Well, one hour to go.

I've got to be in the pub an hour after that, so I hope some details get out quickly.

I'm with the more conservative predictions posted here, although I suspect the hard drive space will be higher than the 160GB people think the low end will have. Also SuperDrive throughout. BluRay option on the 24". 8400GS/8600GT graphics.

Ah, beer in two hours! How good will that be? A pint of Old Peculiar, and maybe some Woodfordes Wherry... mmm iMac what?

[MacinDoc]

all jobs is going to announce is how well his iphone is doing, and maybe MAYBE a small update to .mac

oh and a brand new leather case for the iphone

and probally a new mac vs. pc commercial...hasnt been one in a while
This is an "all Mac" event. High probability of .mac update, as SJ admitted that it had been neglected and needed updating, and the service is now down. High probability of iMac update with new form factor, hopefully Penryn.

[mathwhiz90601]

Ball fell out of my mouse again. Here's to a mouse update!

Anything that is released will knock the socks off what I've got. Goodbye 7 year old systems!

[MacinDoc]

I think this is fake. I do not see Apple getting rid of the Mac mini without putting something in its place. Apple will either update the Mac mini, or as I believe, replace it with a mini-tower starting at $999. If Apple is going to keep the mini then I can see them using "old" technology to keep it an entry-level Mac, which might be the reason why it wasn't touched in so long.

This update:

Mac mini gets a 65nm Core 2 Duo (no Santa Rosa)
iMac, Mac Pro, MacBook Pro get the 45nm "Penryn"
MacBook gets Santa Rosa (still 65nm Core 2 Duo)


Next update:

Mac mini gets Santa Rosa (still 65nm Core 2 Duo)
iMac, Mac Pro, MacBook Pro get speed bump and maybe extras like BTO Blu-ray
MacBook gets "Penryn"


Update after next:

Mac mini gets "Penryn"
iMac, Mac Pro, MacBook Pro get next chipset "Montecito"(?)
MacBook gets speed bump


I think you get the idea.
Sounds about right to me.

[torrid30]

At least a week. 2 if you CTO.

Thanks mongoos150!

Looks like I'll be shipping to school and transferring everything at school, but it'll be completely worth it.

(Again IF they are announced today)

Fingers crossed and 23 minutes to go!

[Thomas2006]

If Apple made a mini-tower with basic desktop specs, it would compete with the low-end to medium iMacs, yet be more expensive and have not as good quality parts. If they made a good mini-tower it would compete with the high end iMac and the Mac Pro. None of this makes much sense to me.

The only possibility I can see is a low-end mini tower to replace the Mini itself; a sort of ultra-low-budget Mac. But then why would they do that? And on top of everything, this assumes that Apple is ready and willing to write drivers for every low-budget crap video card on the market.
The reason I think Apple will release a mini-tower is because games are making a comeback to the Mac and gamers are going to want to be able to swap out their current graphics card for a newer one so they can play the latest games or play games with all the settings set to their maximum. Apple doesn't need to write drivers for every low-budget crap video card on the market, but there is no reason why they can't give users a choice of five cards. They could use the ones in the iMac, plus a couple more, which shouldn't be a problem.

[aswitcher]

I really hope everything they announce today is available immediately - I can see some journos running to the nearest store after this. :)

[ktlx]

iMac, Mac Pro, MacBook Pro get the 45nm "Penryn"


Prepare to be disappointed. Intel's public timeframe for Penryn is limited quantities in Q4 2007 and full production in Q1 2008. Apple doesn't get to start early just because they're Apple since then Intel would be accused of providing false information to investors and be in hot water with the SEC.

[AidenShaw]

Apple doesn't need to write drivers for every low-budget crap video card on the market, but there is no reason why they can't give users a choice of five cards. They could use the ones in the iMac, plus a couple more, which shouldn't be a problem.

On the Windows side, one nVidia driver covers about all of the GeForce cards, due to their NVIDIA® ForceWare® Unified Driver Architecture (UDA).


A few ancient cards aren't supported by the single driver.

[WannaGoMac]

It will SUCK if Mac Mini doesn't get Santa rosa. The improved graphics of santa rosa are such a big improvement for integrated graphics. I hope you are wrong :)

[macrev]

you guys are ridiculous.. it's fun to speculate, but just about every prediction is way outside of reality and apple's nature.


you won't see leopard. PERIOD.

you won't see revolutionary interface changes.

you won't see a simple rehash with nothing but new material used for the enclosure.


you will see the slimmest all-in-one desktop machine ever produced (think macbook pro thin) with the sleekest and most simple design yet. LED monitor, Santa Rosa chipset.

There will be much drooling.


Yes there will be much drooling. Appleinsider says that they machines will be available today at retail locations. That so? If it is, I am 10 minutes from the Apple Store and I will be down there in a flash buying the new iMac that I have been waiting for.

[main chochacho]

Utter iPhone fanboy rubbish ;)

They need to put the focus back on their computers and this event will presumably do that.


attend an apple meeting and tell me I'm a fanboy.


anyway, these (imacs) should be available soon, but you won't see them displayed properly in retail locations for a few days.

[matticus008]

This place is famous for assuming everyone should want Mac OS X, making Apple exempt from offering an affordable and VIABLE (yes, not the worthless mini folks) solution for customers to break into the Mac world. These famous people are also know as apologists.
It's also famous for people assuming that because THEY want a cheap, ugly box to run OS X that Apple should make it for them. It's a mistake to believe that everyone should want OS X or that a Mac is right for everyone. It's equally mistaken to expect a plain minitower from Apple.

Some models of Hondas and Toyotas are basically the same as their much higher priced Acura and Lexus cousins. Some people don't want or need the heated power butt-washers or whatever - so the Hondas and Toyotas sell.
And so do the Acuras and Lexuses. They're not losing sleep over capturing bottom-dollar Toyota customers. Not only would it be disastrously unsuccessful, but it would damage their image, which is frankly more valuable in this society than a few customers who buy an HP instead.
Once again, you leave out the facts.

Vista Home Premium 64-bit - $114.99 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116204)
I agree that the quoted $400 was a mistake on his part, but you're leaving out just as much as he did. You are comparing a retail price to add-ons from OEM sources. It's true that low-cost OEM and discount goods are available on PCs that Apple cannot compete with. However, upgrading to Ultimate costs $160 from HP and it stands to reason that 64-bit edition would be more than that.
Nope, don't need wireless. Office is wired, and wireless sucks for performance compared to a Cat5 cable.
Whether you need it or not, it's there. Tailoring a system to fit your needs is exactly what you should do, and it sounds like there's not a Mac for you. That doesn't mean that throwing out random pieces and ignoring value-added elements allows you to make a comparison that makes any sense. Even if there are ten thousand people who agree with you, there are at least that many who disagree or don't care.
And the great thing is that I *can* buy a different monitor!
Nothing is stopping you from that in either case. It's not a substantial deterrent--the panels are not more than 10-15% of the overall sales price. A 10% discount wouldn't enable you to buy a separate display, so you get the included one. If you want to add one later, just do it. The fact of the matter is that when you get rid of the computer, most of the parts in it are perfectly fine. There's little sense in resisting commoditization. Displays are no longer a significant investment until you get into the high end.
On the Windows side, one nVidia driver covers about all of the GeForce cards, due to their NVIDIA® ForceWare® Unified Driver Architecture (UDA).
It's illusory to believe there's a single driver in the installer. There's no magical path to hardware support, even when using a number of shared modules and standardized conventions. The true benefit of Forceware is simply logistic--customers download a single package, which includes support for their product. The software simply contains the most up-to-date drivers in a single package. It is not the case, however, that new drivers written for new cards will magically work on other, older products.

[AidenShaw]

I agree that the quoted $400 was a mistake on his part, but you're leaving out just as much as he did. You are comparing a retail price to add-ons from OEM sources. It's true that low-cost OEM and discount goods are available on PCs that Apple cannot compete with. However, upgrading to Ultimate costs $160 from HP and it stands to reason that 64-bit edition would be more than that.

The $114 is a complete 64-bit OEM installation kit, not an add-on.

What does Ultimate have to do with anything?


It's illusory to believe there's a single driver in the installer. There's no magical path to hardware support, even when using a number of shared modules and standardized conventions.

Perhaps you should check the Linux source files:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/LO_20030328_6790.html

Unified Driver Architecture (UDA)Enables the industry’s highest quality software for NVIDIA GPUs
Single driver binary for 200+ NVIDIA products

[matticus008]

The $114 is a complete 64-bit OEM installation kit, not an add-on.
It's OEM, not retail. Fair comparison would be the price as charged by HP for the upgrade. You're talking about a retail product, so you should stick to retail comparisons. Otherwise, it's like sourcing RAM from Newegg for the PC and sourcing it from Apple for the Mac, and it creates a price imbalance.
Perhaps you should check the Linux source files:
Single driver binary for 200+ NVIDIA products
Single driver binary != single driver

Initial support requires the same amount of work as any other product. UDA just allows for it to be rolled into a single distribution package for customers. The code and QA work doesn't disappear. A new driver distribution doesn't necessarily mean any new improvements for a given legacy product. All it means is that the driver software is still included in the package.

[main chochacho]

the new iMacs will be in retail stores today.

I had the pleasure of using one last night, and the new keyboard is amazing.