Live Coverage of the Apple Media Event

[aLoC]

I'm certain the GPU is more than adequate for my tasks. If gaming's what you're after, get a PC or a Pro, or realize that the iMac will do an adequate job on most games anyway. The form factor is why many people buy it, and shoving a GPU with it's own fan in there would adversely affect that.

I don't see why the iMac can't meet both our needs. The previous version had BTO upgradable graphics and I am hoping beyond hope that they will do that again.

[DHUK]

I don't see the problem with the iMac video cards. ATi HD 2600XT is a pretty good mid to high end card. DirectX 10 support too. I've very happy with the redesign. Roll on Rev B. :p

[zedsdead]

The need to ask when the dam MAC PRO's are getting updated?

[Yamisky0]

Tim: "We're refreshing the Mac mini today."

[giganten]

this may be a stupid question, but if i order ilife and iwork '08 today, will it work with leopard when i eventually get it? I'm guessing there wont be 2 versions of those suites, but I just want to be sure...

"We've got iLife '08, .Mac, iWork '08, all work with Tiger, all will work with Leopard when we introduce it later this year."

[Project]

"Why are you not participating in Intel Inside program and not putting stickers on your Macs?"



Please revoke this persons press pass in future years for wasting valuable time.

[DakotaGuy]

Numbers has probably just trounced Excel, thus MS Office.

No one has used it. Does it trounce Excel just because Apple made it?

[TraceyS/FL]

Actually I am more excited about Office 2008 coming then this new iWork. Laugh at me...call me an idiot...whatever you want, but I want a product that I KNOW will work right when I email a file to people with Windows. You can say...convert this or convert that...but I just like something that works. That is the Apple approach.

No matter what iWork is still a lightweight compared to Office. I don't give much credit to Microsoft, but people saying that they want to force Microsoft to dump Office for the Mac is stupid. Not saying that you said it, but a lot of fanboys do.

I' not in the corporate world any longer - i'm cool NOT being on Office.

I've been using NeoOffice since i got my MBP in Feb, i'm happy with it!

But i'll get a copy of iWork now that it has a spreadsheet.

The price - you can't beat it!

[Cloudane]

Just thought, if the iMac is that thin, they must be using a 2.5" HDD? Sloooooow!

Q&A! Someone ask him about the Mini pleeeease :D

[mongoos150]

The video card in the new iMac is a piece of trash. If gaming doesn't float your boat, you have no worries, but if you think you're going to be able to play even 1-2 year old games at the native resolution of the iMac's LCD display, think again:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3023&p=8

The above chart shows the results of a Prey timedemo running at 1600x1200. Prey was released over a year ago and is based on the Doom 3 engine, which was released in 2004. Since the result of a timedemo is an average framerate, you want to see results of 50-60 fps so that you can be sure you're not dipping down below 30 fps very often (which would cause the game to stutter). As you can see, the Radeon HD 2400 XT is at the very bottom of the chart with 14 fps, and the 2600 Pro is second to last with 25 fps. Note that the 2600 Pro does not even run the game as fast as the nVidia 7600 GT that was available in the last-generation 24'' iMac.

So much for Apple's games initiative... what a load of crock.Perhaps they'll be upgradable? Or a higher option? This does seem a bit *******...

[bowens]

Farewell Mac Mini........

Oh, really? Mini update today.

[Daveway]

Mac mini is getting refreshed today.

Since its the bastard child it got no mention in Keynote.

[amac4me]

Overall, a nice release of new products. We can finally get our hands on the new iLife and iWork.

The new iMacs will sell like hot cakes!!!

[mongoos150]

Just thought, if the iMac is that thin, they must be using a 2.5" HDD? Sloooooow!I doubt it with an available 1TB drive.

[overcast]

Perhaps they'll be upgradable? Or a higher option? This does seem a bit *******...
The iMac form factor could never handle cooling anything more powerful. If you want to game, build a PC.

[kellen]

Perhaps thats whats under the covering, a 30" that the mini can drive due to upgraded graphics!

[giganten]

A new mini?

Jason Chen: Q: How is the Mac Mini doing? And are you updating it? A: We are refreshing the Mac Mini and making it even faster. It's already in the online store.

[sw1tcher]

This was one boring :apple: media event.

[Lesser Evets]

It's slightly sad that something more appealing wasn't revealed.
This is all stuff we had hoped to see released in January, then April, then June.

Not bad, but I would have loved to have seen something truly great, like multitouch iMac. Maybe a new iSight to replace the old one that was chopped last December. But iLife and iWork are very good.

[Tumeg101]

"we're refreshing the mac mini today"????


I think this just means they are currently working on it, not that it will be released today... but maybe it will be, when the store is back online, but he didn't want to announce it for some reason?

[metallicaisgood]

No one has used it. Does it trounce Excel just because Apple made it?

indeed it does

[DakotaGuy]

I' not in the corporate world any longer - i'm cool NOT being on Office.

I've been using NeoOffice since i got my MBP in Feb, i'm happy with it!

But i'll get a copy of iWork now that it has a spreadsheet.

The price - you can't beat it!

Yeah...my second job is in the National Guard and as a Commander of a unit I spend a lot of time working with Office documents. The US Government is an MS Office world.

[mongoos150]

"we're refreshing the mac mini today"????Yes. We'll see it on the Apple Store site. It wasn't important enough to mention in the Stevenote.

[kbrain2929]

Steve: "We're here to talk about Mac, we'll have some news for the Apple TV soon, but nothing to talk about today." Hmmm... more updates later in the year?:apple:

[chr1s60]

Why do so many people care about mac mini? It always seemed kinda dumb to me.

[devman]

A new mini?

Jason Chen: Q: How is the Mac Mini doing? And are you updating it? A: We are refreshing the Mac Mini and making it even faster. It's already in the online store.

my prayers have been answered. Just wish I could get into the store and see the specs...

[Mysrt]

gizmodo is going insane, someone hit paste too many times

[p0intblank]

Finally! New Mac mini specs! :D

[Cole Slaw]

Just thought, if the iMac is that thin, they must be using a 2.5" HDD? Sloooooow!

Q&A! Someone ask him about the Mini pleeeease :D

I'd guess the iMac still uses full 3.5 inch drives, otherwise how do you get a terrabyte of storage. Biggest 2.5 inch being 250 gigs, I think.

[DakotaGuy]

indeed it does

I like Apple as much as anyone else, but how a person can say the first edition of an iWork spreadsheet is better then Excel and no one has even tested it yet it beyond me.

[wolfpackfan]

Tim: "We're refreshing the Mac mini today."

That should make some people happy

Outstanding. Can't wait to see what has changed. I wonder when the store reopen.

[giganten]

Why do so many people care about mac mini? It always seemed kinda dumb to me.

It is a cool machine.:D

[CJD2112]

Ok, I know I've beaten this horse TO DEATH but...

1) new iMac
2) new iLife and iWork '08
3) new keyboard
4) .Mac revamped
5) Mac Mini refresh

but no, nothing, not even a SLIGHT change in the Cinema Display's. A new KEYBOARD, but nothing seriously new in over THREE YEARS for the Apple Display line... Steve, Steve, are you reading this? I have a Q and A for ya...

[Daveway]

Jobs hinted at another media event in the future to talk AppleTV and subsequently iPods.

[ironring2006]

Refreshed Mac Mini, I think that's the bit of news that has me the most excited. Have one of those along with the new BT keyboard for the living room would be a dream setup. In this case, that's why having a the BT keyboard with no num pad is an advantage.

[zedsdead]

Steve hinted that Apple TV news will be released soon:

"How is Apple TV today? How does it fit into Mac?"

Steve: "We're here to talk about Mac, we'll have some news for the Apple TV soon, but nothing to talk about today."

Maybe HD downloads on the iTunes store finally....

[giganten]

When will the store be back up?

[mongoos150]

If the new graphic cards are as bad as the reviews say they are, I'm sorely disappointed. Worse than the existing cards?! :mad:

[jlewis2k1]

Why do so many people care about mac mini? It always seemed kinda dumb to me.

I absolutely love the Mac Mini. Plus, I am considering on getting on for my mum for christmas. that way it will keep her from downloading a bunch of spyware and all :-D

[Project]

I like Apple as much as anyone else, but how a person can say the first edition of an iWork spreadsheet is better then Excel and no one has even tested it yet it beyond me.


I can tell just from the screenshots that it will be better suited to a lot of home, consumer users.

Will it offer the power of Excel? No way. Will businesses use it as a serious number crunching tool? Nope. Will it be easier to do things like family budgets, wedding planning lists and so on? Almost certainly. Apple went 100% the right direction on this. Trying to out Excel Excel would be suicide.

[Tumeg101]

When will the store be back up?

an an hour, or two, or more....

[Aperture]

When will the store be back up?

After the keynote.

[sweet160]

If the new graphic cards are as bad as the reviews say they are, I'm sorely disappointed. Worse than the existing cards?! :mad:

WOuld there be like a BTO option for a greater card say an 8800 or something?

[Sam*]

I like Apple as much as anyone else, but how a person can say the first edition of an iWork spreadsheet is better then Excel and no one has even tested it yet it beyond me.

ha its just some people believe ever apple product is great, which is simply not true

the imac seems to expensive now? the entry level is to high

and .mac, what a joke people who pay $70 for it must be off their trolley

:)

[mongoos150]

I can tell just from the screenshots that it will be better suited to a lot of home, consumer users.

Will it offer the power of Excel? No way. Will businesses use it as a serious number crunching tool? Nope. All speculation.

[Tumeg101]

"Introduced multitouch on iPhone, what about for the Mac?"

[Cloudane]

The good things about the Mini?

* It's small (duh!)
* Reasonably priced

Good point on the drive size in the iMac, phew.

Just shows what people care about :D Even though it only got an honourable mention, as soon as he mentioned the Mini - about 20 posts at once cheering about it!

[kbrain2929]

They are asking about Multi-touch for the mac... :apple:

[Tumeg101]

"Introduced multitouch on iPhone, what about for the Mac?"

Steve: "Makes sense for the iPhone, not sure it makes sense in the Mac. Classify that as a research project."

[mongoos150]

WOuld there be like a BTO option for a greater card say an 8800 or something?No way @ 8800. Something slower, maybe. I doubt it though - seems like it would've been mentioned. I'm really hoping however. This is the one thing leaving a sour taste in my mouth...

[metallicaisgood]

WOuld there be like a BTO option for a greater card say an 8800 or something?

Most likely there will be options

[None Such]

So this means, if you bought your Mac, or MBP last week, and it says it wont be shipped until tomorrow, it will come with iLife... (Said this because lots of people were worried about this, and if other updates announced today will be shipped with there new mac)

Nice, I'm guessing that includes orders on the MBP that were made two weeks ago that haven't shipped?

[Multimedia]

Mac Mini gets refreshed today as well.

[mongoos150]

"Introduced multitouch on iPhone, what about for the Mac?"

Steve: "Makes sense for the iPhone, not sure it makes sense in the Mac. Classify that as a research project."Exactly. I've been saying this since the beginning. It would be ******** stupid to put Multitouch on a desktop. Not one reason to do so.

[n-abounds]

"Introduced multitouch on iPhone, what about for the Mac?"

Steve: "Makes sense for the iPhone, not sure it makes sense in the Mac. Classify that as a research project."

Cue Jobs saying that multitouch is the future of the Mac in 4 month's time.

[kitki83]

omg you guys are hard to please. Remember you are sect of the whole apple community. I think iMac is gonna do good on sales. MP refresh!?! has'nt it been a year of its release, why would they update something thats to me pretty good system thats open to updates on users end.

[chriswheat]

"Steve: "Makes sense for the iPhone, not sure it makes sense in the Mac. Classify that as a research project."

I'm going to permanently leave this on my clipboard for every time some nut job suggests a multi-touch iMac.

[daneoni]

Since its only Q&A why dont they bring the store back up already.

On a side note how does the ATI X2600 compare to the X1600?

[sweet160]

No way @ 8800. Something slower, maybe. I doubt it though - seems like it would've been mentioned. I'm really hoping however. This is the one thing leaving a sour taste in my mouth...

Would be real bad now with your mac already being sold i guess

I wanted this new iMac to be able to run the upcoming Crisys at a very reasonable framrate and quality, hope it will cut it !

[torero]

what about the black sheet?

[Tumeg101]

Last question: "There has been a suggestion that Apple appeals to smaller elite than mass customer base. Is it your goal to overtake PC in marketshare?"

Say yes!!

[Project]

All speculation.

Which part? Look at the screenshots. Its pretty blatent who this is marketed for.

[applemax]

what about the black sheet?

it was the imacs - he just put the cover back on. where's the announcement about international iphones!

[Tumeg101]

11:30AM: Last question: "There has been a suggestion that Apple appeals to smaller elite than mass customer base. Is it your goal to overtake PC in marketshare?"

Steve: "Goal is to make the best PC in the world, and make something we can recommend to family in friends. There is some stuff in our industry we wouldn't be proud to ship. We can't ship junk. Thresholds we just can't cross. But we want to make the best personal computers in the industry. Our products are usually not premium priced. Price our competitors' computers, and add in all the extras, we're competitive. We don't offer stripped down products. We compare favorably. Thank you very much for coming today."

That's it!

[metallicaisgood]

Since its only Q&A why dont they bring the store back up already.

On a side note how does the ATI X2600 compare to the X1600?

It's a lot newer card, so it is superior. By how much, I'm not quite sure.

[chr1s60]

Was refreshing engadget, and then it showed steve's reply to the multi touch question, I refreshed again, and his quote wasnt there....

"Introduced multitouch on iPhone, what about for the Mac?"

Steve: "Makes sense for the iPhone, not sure it makes sense in the Mac. Classify that as a research project."

In other words, we are already working on it. Give us another year or two.

[kbrain2929]

Bring on "One more thing..."

[mongoos150]

It's a lot newer card, so it is superior. By how much, I'm not quite sure.AnAndtech's reporting it performs worse.

[Aperture]

New iMac is online!

[ironring2006]

Since its only Q&A why dont they bring the store back up already.

On a side note how does the ATI X2600 compare to the X1600?

Because we're still waiting for "...one more thing"

[Hopstretch]

The iMacs were OK. The stonewash brigade, however, was all the way lame.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/08/dsc_1389.jpg

[torrid30]

I'm extremely disappointed. My 23" HD Aluminum Display is three years old, and to date is the least updated product from Apple. For all the professionals who use Mac Pro's/Power Mac's and would like/need an update (I personally know photographers who would love an IR sensor for the Apple remote to use for showing clients work, and I personally would like a built in iSight), I feel as though Apple's constant reminder of their Pro line is just a lot of hot water. The Mac Pro line is given the least amount of attention, and for those who say it's a small market, who cares, well, that would be incorrect as there are a LOT of people in that market who care. :(

I can see where you guys are coming from with the lack of update for the Pro line. But how I take it is that Steve is trying to bring the rest of the product line up to their (the Pro) level.

Steve was quoted by Engadget as saying: "...Two elements we've used in a lot of pro products: aluminum and glass. Phenomenal materials. Take aluminum, we use this in our pro products..."

While I agree that the Displays need to be updated to include iSight and everything else on the current displays.

Maybe he's not updating the Mac Pros (or at least delaying it longer) since the Professionals using the Pro Line can upgrade the computers themselves. It's not like an iMac with no chance to upgrade the video cards or HDD's.

Again I'm not saying that they shouldn't have to upgrade the Pro Line, I do agree they NEED to upgrade the displays. But that's just my reasoning for why they haven't upgraded the Mac Pro line for so long.

[giganten]

Good event today..

[mongoos150]

New iMac is online!Not yet it's not.

[jellomizer]

"Introduced multitouch on iPhone, what about for the Mac?"

Steve: "Makes sense for the iPhone, not sure it makes sense in the Mac. Classify that as a research project."

Honestly a multitouch iMac wouldn't be that useful if you use the demo iPhones at the Apple Store you see how they are unresponsive compared to using a mouse, trackpad or keyboard, even bluetooth. Also there will be limited use and hard on the hand... No real benefit with the current technology, yet... The iPhone is a better use of the technology just because it helps maximize screen use and functionally but it is a technology that still needs some cleanup work.

[metallicaisgood]

AnAndtech's reporting it performs worse.

I didn't see the x1600 on that list.

[devman]

"Steve: "Makes sense for the iPhone, not sure it makes sense in the Mac. Classify that as a research project."

I'm going to permanently leave this on my clipboard for every time some nut job suggests a multi-touch iMac.

it won't stop them.

(but I wish it would)

[suneohair]

it's over. iMac page is up!

It was up!!! I saw the ad!!! Some song with some do-do-dos. Very cool!

EDIT: Its back! Gone again!

[smythey]

The iMacs were OK. The stonewash brigade, however, was all the way lame.
<snip photo>

:p They look like a fugly boy-band to me....

[mrfrosty]

Can "They are updating the mini" become a new kind of chant for macrumors?
For those who remember the 80's comedy "the young ones" it's getting kind of like "Oh, have we got a video ?"

[Mysrt]

it cant be over, what was under the sheet ppl were posting about?

[moonzilla]

where's the < 15.4" MBP??

[Cloudane]

OK OK. I can still see Multitouch as an interesting idea for the desktop in the future, *in addition* to the existing keyboard and mouse of course. I can see him arranging windows with his fingers and flicking through photos in iPhoto '09 already.

[mongoos150]

I didn't see the x1600 on that list.
-
The video card in the new iMac is a piece of trash. If gaming doesn't float your boat, you have no worries, but if you think you're going to be able to play even 1-2 year old games at the native resolution of the iMac's LCD display, think again:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3023&p=8

The above chart shows the results of a Prey timedemo running at 1600x1200. Prey was released over a year ago and is based on the Doom 3 engine, which was released in 2004. Since the result of a timedemo is an average framerate, you want to see results of 50-60 fps so that you can be sure you're not dipping down below 30 fps very often (which would cause the game to stutter). As you can see, the Radeon HD 2400 XT is at the very bottom of the chart with 14 fps, and the 2600 Pro is second to last with 25 fps. Note that the 2600 Pro does not even run the game as fast as the nVidia 7600 GT that was available in the last-generation 24'' iMac.

So much for Apple's games initiative... what a load of crock.

[Aperture]

No it isn't.

Yes it is. (http://www.apple.com/imac/)

As is iLife & iWork.

[mongoos150]

Yes it is. (http://www.apple.com/imac/)

As is iLife & iWork.Still showing the old iMacs on my end. It's not.

[ezzie]

it's over. iMac page is up!

not for me...not yet anyway.

EDIT: as i typed that, of course it showed up! :) nevermind me!

[DakotaGuy]

New iMacs available on Apple Website

Not from what I can see. All I am greeted with is the iPhone. Which I am sure will continue to occupy the front page. The store is still down and the iMac page still shows the old one.

EDIT: Oh now it is!!! NICE, but the black plastic rear looks CHEAP!!!!!!!!!

[chr1s60]

I was at Apple.com and it showed the new iMac but when I refreshed it was gone.

[drchipinski]

What Apple site are you on? :)

[Architect4122]

Of the many ACDs I've seen people use, they usually use it at an angle or in a way that an iSight may make it difficult to either use the iSight or the display. Not everyone looks at the screen perpendicularly.

side note: I got my ACD within the last 3 days thinking it safe -- as this event was over the iMac, so also, I would be a little mad :mad::p

[goosnarrggh]

All speculation.

Yep. So is the idea the it will immediately supplant Excel in terms of feature-richness.

In fact, I'll go out on a limb and say that Numbers cannot immediately supplant Excel as an industry standard (even if it beats Excel on every feature-for-feature comparison) for the same reason that Pages hasn't supplanted Word: Perception of interoperability, and brand recognition.

Now, it has been known to happen from time to time. (Anybody remember Lotus 1-2-3?) But it's usually an evolutionary process.

[Mysrt]

store is up

EDIT: my page froze halfway through load of store... maybe its my bad comp at work or maybe i lied

[mrfrosty]

Internal server error on the UK page.....oops !

[kellen]

Up on mac pages, not store pages. Says it can get a 2.8 extreme processor. I at least was a little confused between the reports of 2.4 and 2.8.

[monke]

Wow! Amazing event.

Passed my expectations by far! :D

[kellen]

store up

[metallicaisgood]

http://images.apple.com/imac/images/gallery/imackeyboard_4_20070807.jpg

[Roderick Usher]

Why do so many people care about mac mini? It always seemed kinda dumb to me.
It's important that Apple have a true entry-level option - one that meets the widely-accepted concept of "entry-level" - and the percentage of their userbase that actually buys it has surprisingly little to do with it.

[CJD2112]

I can see where you guys are coming from with the lack of update for the Pro line. But how I take it is that Steve is trying to bring the rest of the product line up to their (the Pro) level.

Steve was quoted by Engadget as saying: "...Two elements we've used in a lot of pro products: aluminum and glass. Phenomenal materials. Take aluminum, we use this in our pro products..."

While I agree that the Displays need to be updated to include iSight and everything else on the current displays.

Maybe he's not updating the Mac Pros (or at least delaying it longer) since the Professionals using the Pro Line can upgrade the computers themselves. It's not like an iMac with no chance to upgrade the video cards or HDD's.

Again I'm not saying that they shouldn't have to upgrade the Pro Line, I do agree they NEED to upgrade the displays. But that's just my reasoning for why they haven't upgraded the Mac Pro line for so long.

Yeah, I agree, the Mac Pro line is fine. I got mine October last year, and it is upgradeable. Heck, I could throw in two quad core Intel processor chips for an 8-core system, throw in more HDD's, upgrade my video card, etc. However, it's the display line that needs updating, as you stated. Front Row isn't available unless you use the "control-esc" keys as there isn't a built-in IR sensor for the Mac Pro to use, as well as many other issues. I'm just irked that they update something as trite as the keyboard, but haven't touched the display line in years...

[mongoos150]

Finally store is up!

...Clicking on the new iMac gives me a kernel panic "No instance available."

[B. Hunter]

omg that's it????

iMac
Keyboards
iLife '08
.Mac
iWork '07


I was expecting them to end dramatically with something big, like a update to the Macbooks or MacBook Pros

What the hell do you mean that's it?
The laptops were recently updated.

[tom5304]

Looks like it's time for gamers to look elsewhere...

[robalan]

Just checked my .Mac storage settings - Total Allocated: 30720MB

30 Gigabytes!

[Multimedia]

omg you guys are hard to please. Remember you are sect of the whole apple community. I think iMac is gonna do good on sales. MP refresh!?! has'nt it been a year of its release, why would they update something thats to me pretty good system thats open to updates on users end.
Video Card Offerings Are WEAK and seriously obsolete - Not Direct X 10 compatible at all.
Motherboard designed in 2005 is due for major update called Stoakley-Seaburg (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=293910)
That and Harpertown 45 nm processors are shipping this last half of this year
Blue-ray/HD DVD±RW drives are an overdue option
Dual 4 Core total 8 Core Clovertowns and soon Harpertowns now/will cost same as Dual 2 Core Woodcrests did to date
Refresh way overdue

[SirCrumpet]

they broke the aussie store :O

http://store.apple.com/133-622/WebObjects/australiastore

[wolfpackfan]

New mini specs - 1GB standard on both models. 80GB and 120GB.

[leekohler]

OMG- I'm so all over the wired keyboard! Thanks Apple! Love it!

[kbrain2929]

Can anyone please tell me what is diffrent about the Mac Mini? I can't tell any diffrences. :apple:

[Mysrt]

i dont see any new mac mini info

[metallicaisgood]

Looks like it's time for gamers to look elsewhere...

Since when did gamers look to Macs?

[mongoos150]

We can get the C2E! But the graphics card looks fixed. Maybe I'm wrong...

Image

* 2.8GHz Intel Core 2 Extreme
* 2GB memory
* 500GB hard drive1
* 8x double-layer SuperDrive
* ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO with 256MB memory

Ships: 3-5 business days
Free Shipping
$2,299.00

[whooleytoo]

Irish store down (as in broken) too. No "kernel panic" though.. ;)

[Daveway]

There seems to be confussion about the iMac design colors.

It is completely aluminum with black backing and border. There is NO white.

[Diode]

EHh I'm just getting internal server errors on the store.

[chriswheat]

Yay! iPhone is gone from Apple Start Page...I love my iPhone, but I was getting tired of saying Hello to it everytime I went to apple.com

[johny5]

UKstore is up and down, but this is a direct link to the new Imac line up

(can you all stop refreshing the store so I can have another look please? :D )

http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore.woa/wa/RSLID?nnmm=browse&mco=163AA6A5&node=home/desktop/imac

[Mysrt]

Looks like it's time for gamers to look elsewhere...

i too was hoping for a reason to finally ditch my pc.

[DakotaGuy]

Up on mac pages, not store pages. Says it can get a 2.8 extreme processor. I at least was a little confused between the reports of 2.4 and 2.8.

Yeah looks like you can get a 2.8GHz processor. I wonder how much that will add to the price?

[Muzzway]

Wow... 2.8GHz on the top end! =O

[mongoos150]

Configuration Options3

* • Processor up to 2.8GHz
* • Memory up to 4GB
* • Hard drive up to 1TB
* • Apple Wireless Keyboard and wireless Mighty Mouse
* • Apple USB Modem
* • Preinstalled Apple software
* • AppleCare Protection Plan


No updated video card. Argh.

[daneoni]

New mini specs - 1GB standard on both models. 80GB and 120GB.

Are you saying the processors are still core duo?

[ThunderLounge]

24" iMac (top of the line)

* 2.8GHz Intel Core 2 Extreme
* 2GB memory
* 500GB hard drive1
* 8x double-layer SuperDrive
* ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO with 256MB memory

Ships: 3-5 business days
Free Shipping
$2,299.00


Mac Mini (top of the line)
* 2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
* 1GB memory
* 120GB hard drive1

Ships: Within 24 hours
Free Shipping
$799.00

[jsw]

Can anyone please tell me what is diffrent about the Mac Mini? I can't tell any diffrences. :apple:

i dont see any new mac mini info
1.83/2.0Ghz C2D.

[Cloudane]

Looks like it's time for gamers to look elsewhere...

It's always been time for gamers to look elsewhere. Why on earth would you want to play games on a Mac :p What few there are actually available!

PC or console for gaming. Choose the correct tool for the job :)

UK store seems to be broken.

[devman]

Can anyone please tell me what is diffrent about the Mac Mini? I can't tell any diffrences. :apple:

1.83GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
1GB memory
80GB hard drive

2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
1GB memory
120GB hard drive

[fireplace]

UK store is up :)

[chriswheat]

The store is getting hammered. I just want to look at the keyboard.

[Daveway]

Om my hernia. The new wireless keyboards are drop dead gorgeous.

www.apple.com/keyboard

Why no numpad Apple?!?!?!

[kellen]

lol, think the store just crashed, getting the store down page.

[chriswheat]

store back down.

[CJD2112]

Video Card Offerings Are WEAK and seriously obsolete - Not Direct X 10 compatible at all.
Motherboard designed in 2005 is due for major update called Stoakley-Seaburg (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=293910)
That and Harpertown 45 nm processors are shipping this last half of this year
Blue-ray/HD DVD±RW drives are an overdue option
Dual 4 Core total 8 Core Clovertowns and soon Harpertowns now/will cost same as Dual 2 Core Woodcrests did to date
Refresh way overdue


Good point. I was just thinking "My Mac Pro is safe, pretty up to date. All I need is a new Aluminum Cinema Display to replace my almost three year old 23" model". Thanks for bursting my bubble. lol :o

[jellomizer]

The Wired Keyboard after looking at the site has ton of keys just like a VT Keyboard... I am so getting one, once the store lets me in...

[zedsdead]

The education store is down again!

[Deefuzz]

Man I have been having one heck of a time getting that iMac ad to load completely.

EDIT: Ah much better now. All of the iMac pages seem to be up and working fine now.

[mongoos150]

Om my hernia. The new wireless keyboards are drop dead gorgeous.Agreed - but I'm disappointed there's no numerical pad. Oh well - I'll definitely be purchasing this!

[Compile 'em all]

1.83GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
1GB memory
80GB hard drive

2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
1GB memory
120GB hard drive

Time to get a macmini.

[Daveway]

Agreed - but I'm disappointed there's no numerical pad. Oh well - I'll definitely be purchasing this!

Would it be completly unreasonable to buy a separate number pad?

[p0intblank]

They're actually advertising a Mac directly??? :D Sweet!

[leekohler]

The Wired Keyboard after looking at the site has ton of keys just like a VT Keyboard... I am so getting one, once the store lets me in...

I am too. I love the space between the keys. Ever since I used a MacBook keyboard, I've wanted them to do this. I'll make a lot fewer typing mistakes now.

[turlehe]

thank god for the C2D 2.0ghz mac mini! theres my next purchase anyway, same speed as my bro's macbook he got a few months back.

[Steve45]

I am a bit bummed that they took the apple icon off of the command key on the keyboards now. Its not needed, but its just been there for so long.

[CJD2112]

24" iMac (top of the line)

* 2.8GHz Intel Core 2 Extreme
* 2GB memory
* 500GB hard drive1
* 8x double-layer SuperDrive
* ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO with 256MB memory

Ships: 3-5 business days
Free Shipping
$2,299.00


For $2,299 I can get a Mac Pro with my student discount. Granted, I'd need a display as well, but I'd be getting more for my money with a Mac Pro (more speed, more RAM, more HDD space, upgradeability).

I like the iLife '08 update, I'll be getting that, and possibly a new keyboard to go with my Mac Pro system. However, no ACD updates, no mouse update with the keyboard, .Mac is eh, so so. Over all, very anti-climatic. Did the keyboard need more refreshing than the display line? I don't think so.

[mongoos150]

Man I have been having one heck of a time getting that iMac ad to load completely.Loaded fine for me, but Store is back down.

I REALLY REALLY wanted a better video card! Argh... The 2.8GHz C2E is more than I was expecting though, so I suppose it's a tradeoff. Too bad it's not quad... Probably would've presented heat issues.

What is the 2.8GHz C2E codename of this chip?

[Virgil-TB2]

I dunno. Excel is pretty much the only good, solid software that MS makes IMO.

I was terribly disappointed in the iWork announcements in that other than putting Numbers in and making a "word processor mode" option for Pages there is not much new here at all. I work in pretty much an all-mac environment of 300-400 individuals who have been using Apple computers since Apple Classic days, and no-one, no-one uses iWork for anything.

You can't actually use iWeb to make any kind of decent WebPage, because you can't ever get at the code. It's basically a way for your Mum to make web pages. Similarly, Pages only works for you if you have never used a word processor or a typewriter in your life. The metaphor is (again) more in line for an adult, non-technical user with no computer experience (your Mum again or perhaps Nan). While the addition of Numbers and the Word Processor mode of Pages are welcome, the way Steve breezed over them like that just makes me think that iWork is not likely an Office competitor even now.

Have to use it to be sure of course, but this was *the* moment when an Office competitor from Apple would make the most traction IMO. Unless iWork is way more robust than it looks, they might have dropped the ball here. Apple is in sore need of some "serious" apps that are not just for Mum and the kids. Not everyone just wants to make movies of washing the doggy. They have the high end apps for creative types like FinalCut Pro and Aperture, but nothing in this category for anyone else.

Outside of the Pro apps, this entire category of "serious" applications is filled by two "outside" vendors, Microsoft (for Office) and Adobe (for CS Suite). These are arguably the worst companies in the software business and the apps they make are expensive bloated ports of bloated, poorly coded Windows junk. IMO the market is wide-open right now for replacements for these two aging purveyors of crap software.

I truly *hope* that iWork is now an "Office competitor," but nothing about today's announcement makes me confident that it is.

[danny_w]

Just checked my .Mac storage settings - Total Allocated: 30720MB

30 Gigabytes!
Where do you check that?

[Cloudane]

http://images.apple.com/imac/images/gallery/keyboard_3_20070807.jpg

For those who were concerned :)

[ortuno2k]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm checking out the iWork '08 videos online and it looks really good! I'm really digging Numbers.
:D

[Sean Dempsey]

i too was hoping for a reason to finally ditch my pc.

If you haven't found a reason yet, you never will.

[Diode]

<snip image>

For those who were concerned :)

That's the wired keyboard. The wireless version has no numerical keys.

On another note is the store being hosted by the old imacs?

[ironring2006]

Mini specs:

cheaper:
CD 1.66GHz --> C2D 1.83GHz
512MB RAM --> 1GB RAM
60 GB HD --> 80GB HD
Combo Drive --> Combo Drive :mad:

better:
CD 1.83GHz --> C2D 2.0GHz
512MB RAM --> 1GB RAM
80 GB HD --> 120GB HD
Superdrive

I can't see from the page yet, but I assume it's also got 802.11n draft as well.

[Rocketman]

New mini specs - 1GB standard on both models. 80GB and 120GB.

You know what? The low end Mini is a great value! It includes iLife and is the whole OSX experience including programming systems, is a bit slow on graphics but not to the point of being truly crippled. It uses the lower speed version of Apple's full boat processor of the moment. It seems to be a real value.

I might get 3-4 of them as gifts.

Rocketman

[TraceyS/FL]

Om my hernia. The new wireless keyboards are drop dead gorgeous.

www.apple.com/keyboard

Why no numpad Apple?!?!?!

I'm sad - no # pad, no BT keyboard for me.

I want a new one instead of the old one, but i have no room for wires (which is why i'm not using the one i OWN, and the MBP keyboard isn't cutting it :( )

[thewhitehart]

How does one use exposé if the volume keys are on F9 F10 and F11?

[robalan]

Where do you check that?

Login to .mac and view your account (first link of menu on left).
Then click Storage Settings to see the details.

[johny5]

Well I am pretty pleased that I purchased .Mac from toysrus last week at £29! god knows why they were selling them off? The woman in there thought they were stopping selling Apple computers?

I now have 10gb :)

[Cloudane]

That's the wired keyboard. The wireless version has no numerical keys.

Ah, I see, sorry.

Not good! I like the numpad. Old model will do just fine here.

[mongoos150]

http://images.apple.com/imac/images/gallery/keyboard_3_20070807.jpg

For those who were concerned :)This is the wired version. Wireless has no numerical pad.

Wired:http://images.apple.com/keyboard/images/wired_keyboard20070807.gif

Wireless:http://images.apple.com/keyboard/images/wireless_keyboard20070807.gif

[Cloudane]

CD 1.83GHz --> C2D 2.0GHz

That was my last remaining concern: that they might not have done C2D. Great news! I shall treat myself soon methinks, I know they're not blazingly fast in comparison to the bigger models, but compared to the 1.33 G4 12" Powerbook I have right now (my only Mac so far) it'll probably be like lightning hehe

[Roderick Usher]

Since when did gamers look to Macs?
Have we really given up so easily? Why are we not advocates for the growth of Mac gaming? Would it not be healthier for the strength of the Mac platform to insist on rectifying the situation? Apple has chosen to not provide an xMac - does that mean we as consumers should shut up? Shouldn't we at least see what can be done within existing constraints?

[mongoos150]

Although this might make up for it... DAMN the BT keyboard is beautiful. I wish they'd aluminum-up the mouse so they matched though... At least make it black...

http://images.apple.com/keyboard/images/index_hero_wireless20070807.png

Perhaps I'll order a black mouse from Colorware.

EDIT: They don't sell separate mice. Argh.

[Aniej]

since there is about zero chance of making i through the 918 posts before me, sorry if this was asked, but is apple going to release a quicktime video of the event later? I remember usually seeing at least a link that says we will post the video soon, but i don't see anything in quicktime or the main apple.com page.

[Project]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm checking out the iWork '08 videos online and it looks really good! I'm really digging Numbers.



Numbers looks awesome man. It reminds me a lot of Quantrix

[qtx43]

Why do so many people care about mac mini? It always seemed kinda dumb to me.
The iMac's video card is inadequate for MSWindows gaming. On the other hand, the video card is overkill for non-graphics programming, web browsing, and other business office oriented stuff. I already have a display that I like. I love OSX, but I'm not paying $1200 when I can get something that fits the bill at a little over half the price.

That should be enough reasons. It probably makes business sense for Apple not to fill every product niche. But that doesn't mean it makes sense as a consumer. If the mac-mini isn't reasonably price competitive, then that means Apple doesn't get my business.

[kbrain2929]

YAY!!! I ORDERED MINE!!! I got the 24" model. My final price: ???

[Doctor Q]

MacRumors news stories:New iMacs Released (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/07/new-imacs-released/) (discussion thread)

iLife '08 Introduced (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/07/ilife-08-introduced/) (discussion thread)

Apple Updates .Mac (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/07/apple-updates-mac/) (discussion thread)

iWork '08 Introduced (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/07/iwork-08-introduced/) (discussion thread)

Notes Of Interest From Q/A (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/07/notes-of-interest-from-q-a/) (discussion thread)

Apple Quietly Updates Mac Minis (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/07/apple-quietly-updates-mac-minis/) (discussion thread)

Airport Extreme Updated With Gigabit Ethernet (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/07/airport-extreme-updated-with-gigabit-ethernet/) (discussion thread)

See also the New Apple Keyboard discussion thread.

[Deefuzz]

At first I thought no num pad on the BT keyboard was a huge problem, but after thinking more about it I don't think it will be that big of a deal.

I do most of my computing on my MBP so it will be pretty much no different for me.

[Squidly]

It's always been time for gamers to look elsewhere. Why on earth would you want to play games on a Mac :p What few there are actually available!

PC or console for gaming. Choose the correct tool for the job :)


My Mac Pro games quite well, thanks. More than enough machine for any game currently on the market. :P

[ariel]

how much of a difference is the 2.8GHz Intel Core 2 Extreme over the 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo (yes, i know there's a .4GHz difference - but what's it really mean to me?)... is the Extreme a 4 cpu chip? is the extra performance worth it?

Thanks

[CJD2112]

Calm down folks, it's only a computer.

For real, I just made a comment about the iMac pricing and this user, ThunderLounge, goes off on me. lol It's ridiculous.

[ironring2006]

That was my last remaining concern: that they might not have done C2D. Great news! I shall treat myself soon methinks, I know they're not blazingly fast in comparison to the bigger models, but compared to the 1.33 G4 12" Powerbook I have right now (my only Mac so far) it'll probably be like lightning hehe
Yeah, I was glad to see them go to C2D, so now they have 64-bit capable across the line. The new mini's are packed with the guts of essentially the previous rev of MacBooks (Nov '06) which is what I am on now, and am very happy with. I think this brings them back up to being a pretty decent competitor in $600-800 range.

[moonzilla]

any idea when the physical apple stores will have the new imacs, minis, keyboards, and software?

[Roderick Usher]

I love OSX, but I'm not paying $1200 when I can get something that fits the bill at a little over half the price.

That should be enough reasons. It probably makes business sense for Apple not to fill every product niche. But that doesn't mean it makes sense as a consumer. If the mac-mini isn't reasonably price competitive, then that means Apple doesn't get my business.
I agree, that price point has to be there - and to be honest I'm amazed that they've kept it, considering some of their other choices (portable non-crap graphics start at $2000, real expandability starts at $2200).

[mongoos150]

The ATI 2600 Pro is a disappointing card to say the least. Check out these benchmarks:

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2151674,00.asp

[Mysrt]

If you haven't found a reason yet, you never will.

what i said was kind of taken out of context. I use my mac for everything but still have to use my pc for gaming. that quote was taken in reply to imac still not being useful for gaming

[johny5]

Any ideas as to why the higher spec 2.8 model is only upgradeable to 2gb? yet the lower spec model is upgradeable to 4gb!? Gotta be a typo?

[mongoos150]

Any ideas as to why the higher spec 2.8 model is only upgradeable to 2gb? yet the lower spec model is upgradeable to 4gb!? Gotta be a typo?I'm sure it is. Store is still down, I can't check.

[geeyesgee]

Looks like Airport on the mini is still 802.11g :(

[mongoos150]

None of the pictures show the iMac with the magnetic remote on the side... Hmmm....

[seattle]

any idea when the physical apple stores will have the new imacs, minis, keyboards, and software?

I called the local store near me and they said they had them in stock. Seattle Area store.

[johny5]

I'm sure it is. Store is still down, I can't check.

not on the UK store

[Detlev_73]

I'm very happy this nearly useless update of iLife is available today for a whopping $79 and not bundled with OSX. :p

It is an imperfect application, created by an imperfect application...finding it for free on a torrent website is only a matter of time. :cool:

[kbrain2929]

I'm pretty sure it does come w/ an apple remote. If I remember... I saw one in one of the pictures I just saw. IDK though... :rolleyes: :apple:

[kbrain2929]

I called the local store near me and they said they had them in stock. Seattle Area store.

I just called mine in Louisville and am on the way to pick it up! I ordered it over the phone, now I just gotta go and get it!

[carlitofresh21]

This is my first ever post :D, yet i've been reading the posts year for at least a year. Ok so enough with the formalities.

The more and more i look at the new imac on apple's site, the more and more its growing on me. I'm sure the first encounter at apple stores is going to blow me away. Usually the way apple products roll.

[Cuyahoga]

Wow...I didn't see the HD2600 coming. I thought the 8600GT was a safe bet, maybe even a chance for a GTS. And no BTO...this is just depressing. Everything else about them looks great, and I was so ready to get one...but I just can't bring myself to pay $1800+ for a computer that can't even play games that came out a year ago. Man...what a big "Eff You."

For everyone else that doesn't care about ever playing a game, congrats on the good updates.

[megfilmworks]

I am a bit bummed that they took the apple icon off of the command key on the keyboards now. Its not needed, but its just been there for so long.
That was the reason that previously everyone thought the keyboard pics were fakes.

[benspratling]

Dude, today Apple spanked Dell, Microsoft & Adobe.

Dell - on the crappy look and clumbsiness of their computers
Microsoft - on how they bloated Excel and made it tough to use
Adobe - on the really poor the magic wand tool is

I almost blacked out from the excitement!
Steve, tell your developers, "y'all rock!"

[kbrain2929]

This is my first ever post :D, yet i've been reading the posts year for at least a year. Ok so enough with the formalities.

The more and more i look at the new imac on apple's site, the more and more its growing on me. I'm sure the first encounter at apple stores is going to blow me away. Usually the way apple products roll.

I agree... the new iMac is starting to grow on me too... (and yet... I just put $2,000+ on my credit card :rolleyes:) :apple:

[mongoos150]

Wow...I didn't see the HD2600 coming. I thought the 8600GT was a safe bet, maybe even a chance for a GTS. And no BTO...this is just depressing. Everything else about them looks great, and I was so ready to get one...but I just can't bring myself to pay $1800+ for a computer that can't even play games that came out a year ago. Man...what a big "Eff You."

For everyone else that doesn't care about ever playing a game, congrats on the good updates.Yes, everything is great except for this major letdown. Argh. I will still be buying - but will probably stick to my PS3 for gaming. That's what I've usually done, I'm more of a console gamer, but am still big time disappointed. Maybe the next iteration will have something along the lines of the 8600... *sigh* :mad::(

[• Jaz •]

I'm pretty sure it does come w/ an apple remote. If I remember... I saw one in one of the pictures I just saw. IDK though... :rolleyes: :apple:

It does, here you go:

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/7292/picture1gz5.png

[benspratling]

That was the reason that previously everyone thought the keyboard pics were fakes.

Yeah but spelling out what a key does instead of using a computer-nerd-jargon is the kind of thing Apple does, that nobody else ever thinks of doing because once those marketing people learn the jargon they all use it to seem cool with the engineers. Apple's marketing team has a clue. They know the computer needs to work for people who don't design computers. That's why I knew the end of the "Apple Key" was real.

[emegmac]

I just ran update and noticed a front row update.

[mongoos150]

My Apple store is setting them up right now. I asked if they had the C2E configuration, they aren't sure. My paypal transfer from the sale of my 24" iMac (white) hasn't gone into my checking yet, when it does (hopefully by Thursday afternoon) I'll buy the C2E iMac. *sigh* Can't get that vid card out of the back of my head though...

[jkaz]

Wow...I didn't see the HD2600 coming. I thought the 8600GT was a safe bet, maybe even a chance for a GTS. And no BTO...this is just depressing. Everything else about them looks great, and I was so ready to get one...but I just can't bring myself to pay $1800+ for a computer that can't even play games that came out a year ago. Man...what a big "Eff You."


i'm in the same boat. i want to use an imac for video editing, web design, dvd authoring, etc. but i also want to play games.

be sure you check this review:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3023&p=8

and note that on every test the best video card offered for imac is 2nd to last only being worsted by the low end imac vid card offered

[Rocketman]

You can upgrade to iLife 08 for $9.95 if you recently bought a Mac.

http://www.apple.com/ilife/uptodate/

Mac Mini tech specs:

http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html

2 GB max memory and 802.11g only.

Rocketman

[moonzilla]

You can upgrade to iLife 08 for $9.95 if you recently bought a Mac.

http://www.apple.com/ilife/uptodate/

Mac Mini tech specs:

http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html

2 GB max memory and 802.11g only.

Rocketman

by recently, you mean today

[@dakore]

In Australia, Melbourne.
On Monday 6th August 4pm ordered mac mini base model
Tuesday 7th it was shipped.
Waiting for arrival. (Wednesday 8th)
Hoping to GOD it is new one, however i suspect not.
PLEASE HELP
What should i do?
All that software and hardware upgrades for less money?
Be serious Please, this is a big investment for me, and I feel Apple has screwed me, as has the rumor that the mini would die.
I thought they'd kill it, so i ordered one. and now i lose out.
WHAT CAN I DO???
Please Help
I will update as soon as it arrives

[zedsdead]

Come on US Apple Store, I need to leave soon...then again, I can buy it from my iPhone...

[kellen]

In Australia, Melbourne.
On Monday 6th August 4pm ordered mac mini base model
Tuesday 7th it was shipped.
Waiting for arrival.
Hoping to GOD it is new one, however i suspect not.
PLEASE HELP
What should i do?
All that software and hardware upgrades for less money?
Be serious Please, this is a big investment for me, and I feel Apple has screwed me, as has the rumor that the mini would die.
I thought they'd kill it, so i ordered one. and now i lose out.
WHAT CAN I DO???
Please Help
I will update as soon as it arrives

Uh, return it if it isn't the updated one? Why not call and ask?

If its the older version, just refuse delivery.

[mongoos150]

Via Crucial, you can order a set of 2 1GB sticks of 200pin DDR2-PC2 5300 ram for $101.

I'm wondering if the extra $400 is worth the up from 2.4GHz to 2.8GHz Extreme...

[TraceyS/FL]

At first I thought no num pad on the BT keyboard was a huge problem, but after thinking more about it I don't think it will be that big of a deal.

I do most of my computing on my MBP so it will be pretty much no different for me.

I do too - and needed an extended keyboard to use instead. It's driving me CRAZY to not have it - i'd been waiting to see what htey did.

Now i have to figure out what to do :(

ETA: and that is the point, i might as well use my MBP - not have another keyboard, i'm not gaining anything from buying it?!

[@dakore]

Uh, return it if it isn't the updated one? Why not call and ask?

If its the older version, just refuse delivery.

Will my money be refunded if i refuse delivery????
And won't that take ages? or just keep trying to ship the same one to me?
Also it's 5.30am and the apple phone line doesn't open till 8am.
I will be on it straight away.
I've checked my order status, and it says that i may be able to get a slight refund (like $28) but nothing about an exchange!
Also the order status is down for maintenance so i can't cancel my order right now

[moonzilla]

why must they leave 802.11n out of the mac mini?? how much more would that have cost them? 10-15 dollars?

[kellen]

Will my money be refunded if i refuse delivery????
And won't that take ages? or just keep trying to ship the same one to me?
Also it's 5.30am and the apple phone line doesn't open till 8am.
I will be on it straight away.

First call and ask. If its the older one and you are happy with that one, complain, I am sure you will get some sort of compensation (50-100 bucks back).

if you want the new one, then ask them what to do. Probably just have to send it back or refuse to accept it when delivered. Will be more waiting time, but is worth it for the Core 2 duo for the same price.

[DaBrain]

why must they leave 802.11n out of the mac mini?? how much more would that have cost them? 10-15 dollars?

Perhaps it's an oversight and they'll correct it cause that just doesn't make any sense!:eek:

[moonzilla]

bring on the TRUE video ipod!!

[Cuyahoga]

Does the Mini really not have the GMA X3000 yet? The webpage still shows the GMA950...is that even possible with Santa Rosa?

[moonzilla]

Perhaps it's an oversight and they'll correct it cause that just doesn't make any sense!:eek:

we can only hope...

though i doubt it's a mistake.

[jkaz]

here's my opinion:

black back = ugly dell ripoff

video card = laughable

glossy only screens because the consumer wanted it = total lie

320 GB hard drives = what planet are you from?

in my mind the only improvements are slimmer and faster processor

for everything else, gimme the previous revision

[moonzilla]

Does the Mini really not have the GMA X3000 yet? The webpage still shows the GMA950...is that even possible with Santa Rosa?

i'm sorry, how do we know it's santa rosa? i thought santa rosa was 2.2 and 2.4, not 1.83 and 2.0. as far as i can tell, the mini is using the first c2d chipset, not the newest iteration (i.e. sr)

[davekarn]

For those who are lucky enough to go to an Apple Store and buy one today, you think you could post a Youtube video if you have the capabilities to do so of the beautiful new machine?

I was also holding off on switching hoping to get into computer gaming for the first time, but seeing as how I've gone this long without it, I suppose I will just stick with my PS3 and 360. However, I was really hoping that I would be able to play Crysis on it, but I will still get the iMac none the less. Too bad they didn't add one more screw for graphics card accessibility, wonder why they are so reluctant to allow consumers to switch them out.

[TraceyS/FL]

Stores back up - finally the edu store with it.

Price for edu Family pack for iWork & iLife is $99 each.

Bargin!! (same as normal price btw) I have 5 computers to update too!!

[Cuyahoga]

i'm sorry, how do we know it's santa rosa? i thought santa rosa was 2.2 and 2.4, not 1.83 and 2.0. as far as i can tell, the mini is using the first c2d chipset, not the newest iteration (i.e. sr)

Oh, right. That.

[Snide]

iMac:

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?nnmm=browse&node=home/desktop/imac

[ethen]

Bah! SlashGear put 2.8GHZ but others saying 2.4.

We heard it right actually :p

* 2.8GHz Intel Core 2 Extreme
* 2GB memory
* 500GB hard drive1
* 8x double-layer SuperDrive
* ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO with 256MB memory

[nstand]

In Australia, Melbourne.
On Monday 6th August 4pm ordered mac mini base model
Tuesday 7th it was shipped.
Waiting for arrival. (Wednesday 8th)
Hoping to GOD it is new one, however i suspect not.
PLEASE HELP
What should i do?
All that software and hardware upgrades for less money?
Be serious Please, this is a big investment for me, and I feel Apple has screwed me, as has the rumor that the mini would die.
I thought they'd kill it, so i ordered one. and now i lose out.
WHAT CAN I DO???
Please Help
I will update as soon as it arrives

How exactly has Apple screwed you? You believed a non-APple rumour that the mac was about to be end of lifed. Which wasnt true. Your best bet is to return the mini when it arrives (unopened of course) and then just purchase a new one.

[Doctor Q]

Updated list of MacRumors news stories:New iMacs Released (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/07/new-imacs-released/) (discussion thread)

iLife '08 Introduced (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/07/ilife-08-introduced/) (discussion thread)

Apple Updates .Mac (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/07/apple-updates-mac/) (discussion thread)

iWork '08 Introduced (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/07/iwork-08-introduced/) (discussion thread)

Notes Of Interest From Q/A (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/07/notes-of-interest-from-q-a/) (discussion thread)

Apple Quietly Updates Mac Minis (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/07/apple-quietly-updates-mac-minis/) (discussion thread)

Airport Extreme Updated With Gigabit Ethernet (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/07/airport-extreme-updated-with-gigabit-ethernet/) (discussion thread)

See also the New Apple Keyboard discussion thread.

[nstand]

I've been waiting to switch/buy a mac for about 9 months. Initially I bought the rumours of an April release of Leopard so delayed and then I thought I would wait until the MBP and iMacs were released to see what was on offer. So going through a few WWDC's and Macworlds I'm still suprised at the hype machine that the apple community generates, some of the items on the wish list are unbelievable. It seems everyone wants the latest and greatest for the cheapest. That aint going to happen. For a while now Apple has been upgrading its hardware in small steps and as such the iMac update is a very decent one. I agree with many that the graphics card is dissapointing but thats about it. I cant see too many people buying a Mac for a gaming machine!

So, I am finally going to purchase a Mac :), probably the 20in, my question, Apples memory its expensive. Safer to buy through Apple store or is their better places online to get the memory?

[Royale w/cheese]

So what is the reason do you think that AAPL dropped? It jumped and then fell again. :( Eh, but not too much, but I was expecting a good day.

[wvtbred]

Probably won't read all the pages between now and my last post but I LIKE IT! Got some black and not all that ugly white plastic crap.

[4God]

will you get a refund to compensate for the pricedrops of your 'obsolete machine' ?

HA!!! I did! I just got off the phone with Apple and they are crediting me back over $300.00 to my card since I fall within the price protection terms. :)

[wvtbred]

HA!!! I did! I just got off the phone with Apple and they are crediting me back over $300.00 to my card since I fall within the price protection terms. :)

Good for you!

[Argon4k]

I just got back from the Apple store with my new 24" iMac. It's not setup yet but when it is I'll post pictures and my initial thoughts. Anybody else have one yet?

[wvtbred]

I just got back from the Apple store with my new 24" iMac. It's not setup yet but when it is I'll post pictures and my initial thoughts. Anybody else have one yet?

No I am waiting for you :)

Is it worth going to the 24"? If so why?

[Argon4k]

No I am waiting for you :)

Is it worth going to the 24"? If so why?I'm up and running (partially) on the iMac now and a full review is still to come.

I will say that I was very hesitant about getting the 24". Why? Because when I got to the Apple store, they had none of the new iMacs on display, only the "old" ones. I compared a 20" and 24" since they were sitting right next to each other. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the 20", but I have a 20" monitor to go along with my PC and felt that it was too small. This was one of my reasons for going with the 24". I will say that this thing is huge though, I could have definitely bought the 20" and been just fine, in retrospect, and saved a few hundred dollars. However, this is not to be confused as to whether or not it was worth it, because it was, hands down. I'll post more once I've gotten OS X back to how it is on my laptop.

[mongoos150]

What config did you go for? Was the 2.8 available in the store? Take some pictures, let us know how the video card is running with some decent software. ;)

[Argon4k]

What config did you go for? Was the 2.8 available in the store? Take some pictures, let us know how the video card is running with some decent software. ;)I got the base model 24". I don't need the 2.8GHz processor and according to the staff in the store, the 2.8GHz processors will only be available online. I have a bunch of pictures that I took and I will post them in a bit.

[@dakore]

As i mentioned earlier i bought a mac mini online on monday.
Apple has agreed to refund me, and take it back at no charge.
I would prefer a new one. but i can just order it.
Apple is protecting their upgrade info too much.
This model shouldn't have been shipped.
They are just being silly and not enviro friendly, ( all that wasted shipping )
Please Apple, don't let this keep happening. if ur gonna upgrade a model, delay all orders by 14 days, let ppl speculate.

[ariel]

Apple is protecting their upgrade info too much.
This model shouldn't have been shipped.
They are just being silly and not enviro friendly, ( all that wasted shipping )
Please Apple, don't let this keep happening. if ur gonna upgrade a model, delay all orders by 14 days, let ppl speculate.

i'm glad you got what you wanted... however, in my opinion you've got it wrong... apple is trying to sell hardware, most people wouldn't care... they're still selling the old iMacs in the stores even after the new ones are announced.. they want to get rid of that inventory.

[wvtbred]

Went to the local Mac store in Bethesda MD and they don't have the new ones yet, BOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Guess I am going online but I really wanted to touch one first.