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yagran
Aug 7, 2007, 12:13 PM
dont you love it when rumours come true...

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/08/dsc_1319.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/08/dsc_1309.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/08/dsc_1311.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/08/dsc_1310.jpg



stuff99
Aug 7, 2007, 12:15 PM
it doesn't look all too different from the current design

bartelby
Aug 7, 2007, 12:17 PM
I like it!

Any shots of the keyboard yet?


EDIT: S'ok. seen it now.

Mmmm, me likey!!

JPT
Aug 7, 2007, 12:20 PM
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/08/dsc_1317.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/08/dsc_1316.jpg



ALSO iLIFE '08!!!! :eek:

pcorajr
Aug 7, 2007, 12:20 PM
No nvidia card? that sucks

Mantronix
Aug 7, 2007, 12:21 PM
You just made me the happiest man in the world. Now we need specs & pricing.

MacRumors
Aug 7, 2007, 12:21 PM
http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

As rumored (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/06/new-imacs-on-tuesday/), Apple has announced new iMacs at its press event today. The iMacs start at $1199 and come in 20 and 24" form factors, as rumored (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/06/new-imacs-on-tuesday/), and will feature a more professional look.

Features:
-Up to 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo Extreme Processor
-Up to 4 GB Memory
-ATI Radeon HD Graphics
-Up to 1 TB Hard Disk
-Wireless 802.11n and Bluetooth 2.0

Also, Apple indicated that the keyboard that was previously leaked (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/07/27/new-imac-keyboard-revealed/) is indeed the new keyboard for the iMac.

Word of the iMac redesign first appeared in March (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/03/20/next-apple-imacs-with-striking-new-industrial-design/) from AppleInsider, though ThinkSecret was later able to corroborate the story and provide an exact date (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/07/17/imac-revision-and-ilife-on-august-7th/) of release.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/07/new-imacs-released/)

Doctor Q
Aug 7, 2007, 12:22 PM
$1199, $1499, and $1799 are the announced priced points, but with configuration options there may be other choices of processor speed for each screen size, so we'll really have more available combinations.

superlatic
Aug 7, 2007, 12:23 PM
sorry but that is ****ing pathetic!!!!!

happy with everything else though

bartelby
Aug 7, 2007, 12:23 PM
Specs:
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/08/dsc_1322.jpg

Penryn
Aug 7, 2007, 12:24 PM
Evolution rather than revolution.
Still got the bloody chin!

thejadedmonkey
Aug 7, 2007, 12:24 PM
Yeah, but WTF is up with the black border?

sparkyms
Aug 7, 2007, 12:32 PM
The chin is aluminium.
And that first pic was a dell, not the iMac.


This announcement has already convinced me to sell my iMac I have now, and get one of these puppies as soon as I know how much they're gona sell for in the UK!

bigandy
Aug 7, 2007, 12:37 PM
ooh, me likey :)

Might get rid of my MBP for one of these puppies, seeing as it hardly ever walks anywhere now :rolleyes:

AlexisV
Aug 7, 2007, 12:38 PM
It's fantastic!

The current is already stunning, and the only way to make it better is to make it thinner. And boy is it thin.

And I've always like the chin - you want to feel like you're looking at a Apple, not a PC monitor.

sparkyms
Aug 7, 2007, 12:39 PM
That's exactly how I feel about the chin too. it sets it apart, and not a bad way.

SamIchi
Aug 7, 2007, 12:40 PM
Mmm Cool, I like it but I don't think it's crazy cool, just a slimmer version. Maybe I need to see some more stuff...

Burai
Aug 7, 2007, 12:40 PM
Yeah, but WTF is up with the black border?

It's clearly aping the design of the iPhone, much how the last iMacs aped the design of the iPod.

I think it looks really nice.

Peace
Aug 7, 2007, 12:41 PM
There's "one more thing" folks.Hang on ;)

WhySoSerious
Aug 7, 2007, 12:44 PM
really, aside from the screen size, what is the difference between the new mac and a mbp?

both are super thin, both have super thin keyboards, both have strong specs.......so you're telling me the only difference is if you either want:

1. portability, or
2. large screen ??

Compile 'em all
Aug 7, 2007, 12:46 PM
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/47/dsc1323ax0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/999/dsc1325lp8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

rockthecasbah
Aug 7, 2007, 12:47 PM
It's beautiful! Great redesign.

Peace
Aug 7, 2007, 12:47 PM
I like the looks of the new iMac.Including the black border.

Stella
Aug 7, 2007, 12:48 PM
That keyboard, whilst OKish for laptops, sucks for desktop.

Personally, I can't stand the MacBook keyboard, and that new iMac keyboard, obviously takes after the MacBook.

Whats with the giant spacing between each key anyway?

DMC-12
Aug 7, 2007, 12:48 PM
This is awesome.

netsql
Aug 7, 2007, 12:49 PM
maybe good for watching a movine for an hour... but its hard to read text when you program for hours.

can I put in dual head displays and make display bigger like old imac?

PDE
Aug 7, 2007, 12:50 PM
I think it would be nice with some real innovation in the imac line. This is a minor adjustment in design - what else? There is nothing new or especially innovative about this computer: except for nice design and a little thinner.

Not excited.

aswitcher
Aug 7, 2007, 12:50 PM
I have been holding onto my money for a long time to get a mac to run my home stuff...looks like this is it unless the "boom one more thing TM" is something even better

tveric
Aug 7, 2007, 12:50 PM
Glossy SUCKS

Sean Dempsey
Aug 7, 2007, 12:50 PM
This iMac is awesome and I'll be buying one today. 20" for me. I hadn't planned on getting an iMac until this announcement, but obviously they are so sweet I don't have a choice.

Oh, and the Mac Pro will be getting the new keyboard too, forget this white plastic old school crap.

gjkiii
Aug 7, 2007, 12:50 PM
Just contacted the apple store to see if they will have them on display today....Their response.....I know nothing about any new imacs coming......Um....ooookkkk

luminosity
Aug 7, 2007, 12:50 PM
Now if they'd just somehow add a trackpad, I could actually use a desktop again (due to physical limitations, regular keyboards and mice are unusable for me).

odinsride
Aug 7, 2007, 12:50 PM
boo to the keyboard :mad:

lag1090
Aug 7, 2007, 12:51 PM
Also, Apple indicated that the keyboard that was previously leaked (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/07/27/new-imac-keyboard-revealed/) is indeed the new keyboard for the iMac.

The two keyboard photos are similar, but they aren't the same. In the rumored image, the design was much more spread out, while the new iMac keyboard is much more compact. Just look at the differences in the position of the arrow keys.

Rumored keyboard:
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/07/imac_brushed_aluminum_keyboard_full-440.jpg

New iMac keyboard:
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/08/dsc_1318.jpg

chaird
Aug 7, 2007, 12:51 PM
For some reason I put off buying the wireless keyboard and I am glad I did!
Did they update the mouse as well?

IJ Reilly
Aug 7, 2007, 12:51 PM
So much for the theory that the leaked keyboard photos must be a hoax if Apple didn't insist on them being removed!

yagran
Aug 7, 2007, 12:51 PM
That keyboard, whilst OKish for laptops, sucks for desktop.

Personally, I can't stand the MacBook keyboard, and that new iMac keyboard, obviously takes after the MacBook.

Whats with the giant spacing between each key anyway?

americans + fat fingers = bigger spacing

lawclerk
Aug 7, 2007, 12:52 PM
Well, the leaked keyboard pic did have "non cosmetic unit" stuck to the bottom on it. I'm waiting for all the "OOOooooh that pic is soooo fake!" people to chime in here.

stompy
Aug 7, 2007, 12:53 PM
ugh, that keyboard.

mdriftmeyer
Aug 7, 2007, 12:53 PM
ATI Radeon™ HD 2400 Series - GPU Specifications
ATI Radeon™ HD 2400 Feature Summary
180 million transistors on 65nm fabrication process
64-bit DDR2/GDDR3 memory interface
Unified Superscalar Shader Architecture
40 stream processing units
Dynamic load balancing and resource allocation for vertex, geometry, and pixel shaders
Common instruction set and texture unit access supported for all types of shaders
Dedicated branch execution units and texture address processors
128-bit floating point precision for all operations
Command processor for reduced CPU overhead
Shader instruction and constant caches
Up to 16 texture fetches per clock cycle
Up to 128 textures per pixel
Fully associative vertex/texture cache design
DXTC and 3Dc+ texture compression
High resolution texture support (up to 8192 x 8192)
Fully associative texture & Z/stencil cache designs
Early Z test, Re-Z, Z Range optimization, and Fast Z Clear
Lossless Z & stencil compression
8 render targets (MRTs) with anti-aliasing support
Physics processing support
Full support for Microsoft® DirectX® 10
Shader Model 4.0
Geometry Shaders
Stream Output
Integer and Bitwise Operations
Alpha to Coverage
Constant Buffers
State Objects
Texture Arrays
Dynamic Geometry Acceleration
Programmable tessellation unit
Accelerated geometry shader path for geometry amplification
Memory read/write cache for improved stream output performance
Anti-aliasing features
Multi-sample anti-aliasing (up to 4 samples per pixel)
Custom Filter Anti-Aliasing (CFAA) for improved quality
Adaptive super-sampling and multi-sampling
Temporal anti-aliasing
Gamma correct
Super AA (CrossFire configurations only)
All anti-aliasing features compatible with HDR rendering
Texture filtering features
2x/4x/8x/16x high quality adaptive anisotropic filtering modes (up to 128 taps per pixel)
128-bit floating point HDR texture filtering
Bicubic filtering
sRGB filtering (gamma/degamma)
Percentage Closer Filtering (PCF)
Depth & stencil texture (DST) format support
Shared exponent HDR (RGBE 9:9:9:5) texture format support
CrossFire™ Multi-GPU Technology
Scale up rendering performance and image quality with 2 or more GPUs
Integrated compositing engine
High performance dual channel interconnect
ATI Avivo™ HD Video and Display Platform
Dedicated unified video decoder (UVD) for H.264/AVC and VC-1 video formats
High definition (HD) playback of both Blu-ray and HD DVD formats
Hardware MPEG-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4/DivX video decode acceleration
Motion compensation and iDCT (inverse discrete cosine transform)
Avivo Video Post Processor
Color space conversion
Chroma subsampling format conversion
Horizontal and vertical scaling
Gamma correction
High Quality Video Post Processing
Advanced vector adaptive per-pixel de-interlacing
De-blocking and noise reduction filtering \
Detail enhancement
Inverse telecine (2:2 and 3:2 pull-down correction)
Bad edit correction
Two independent display controllers
Drive two displays simultaneously with independent resolutions, refresh rates, color controls and video overlays for each display
Full 30-bit display processing
Programmable piecewise linear gamma correction, color correction, and color space conversion
Spatial/temporal dithering provides 30-bit color quality on 24-bit and 18-bit displays
High quality pre- and post-scaling engines, with underscan support for all display outputs
Content-adaptive de-flicker filtering for interlaced displays
Fast, glitch-free mode switching
Hardware cursor
Two integrated DVI display outputs
Primary supports 18-, 24-, and 30-bit digital displays at all resolutions up to 1920x1200 (single-link DVI) or 2560x1600 (dual-link DVI)1
Secondary supports 18-, 24-, and 30-bit digital displays at all resolutions up to 1920x1200 (single-link DVI only)1
Each includes a dual-link HDCP encoder with on-chip key storage for high resolution playback of protected content2
Two integrated 400 MHz 30-bit RAMDACs
Each supports analog displays connected by VGA at all resolutions up to 2048x15361
HDMI output support
Supports all display resolutions up to 1920x10801
Integrated HD audio controller with multi-channel (5.1) AC3 support, enabling a plug-and-play cable-less audio solution
Integrated AMD Xilleon™ HDTV encoder
Provides high quality analog TV output (component/S-video/composite)
Supports SDTV and HDTV resolutions
Underscan and overscan compensation
MPEG-2, MPEG-4, DivX, WMV9, VC-1, and H.264/AVC encoding and transcoding
Seamless integration of pixel shaders with video in real time
VGA mode support on all display outputs
PCI Express x16 bus interface
OpenGL 2.0 support

This is especially important for OS X 10.5.

jackjason
Aug 7, 2007, 12:54 PM
"Still got the bloody chin! "

yeah,this sucks

CANEHDN
Aug 7, 2007, 12:54 PM
Those are sweet. Very powerful now. Me Likey. They look a lot thinner. Very sleek.

odinsride
Aug 7, 2007, 12:55 PM
what's with the removal of the numpad?? that's so lame

mr_matalino
Aug 7, 2007, 12:55 PM
sorry but that is ****ing pathetic!!!!!

happy with everything else though

Agreed! The MB even come with 2GB?!?

Burai
Aug 7, 2007, 12:56 PM
The two keyboard photos are similar, but they aren't the same. In the rumored image, the design was much more spread out, while the new iMac keyboard is much more compact. Just look at the differences in the position of the arrow keys.

Rumored keyboard:

New iMac keyboard:

The first thing I thought was "Amiga 600!"

GSMiller
Aug 7, 2007, 12:56 PM
Well the new design looks nice but I won't be lusting over one. I myself am not particularly fond of glossy screens...

WhySoSerious
Aug 7, 2007, 12:56 PM
what, really, aside from the screen size, what is the difference between the new mac and a mbp?

both are super thin, both have super thin keyboards, both have strong specs.......so you're telling me the only difference is if you either want:

1. portability, or
2. large screen ??

ImAlwaysRight
Aug 7, 2007, 12:57 PM
Pre-order at Amazon. Already on their website. Free ship, no tax.

First in line, baby!!!!! :D

Gasu E.
Aug 7, 2007, 12:57 PM
Evolution rather than revolution.
Still got the bloody chin!

Maybe I'm not measuring accurately, but it appears to me the chin is 20% shorter.

TwitchOSX
Aug 7, 2007, 12:57 PM
My Dual 800 G4 took a **** a few months ago. I think the controller for the HD's died.. or one of the drives died.. ugh. It was getting slow anyway.

GFLPraxis
Aug 7, 2007, 12:57 PM
It's Conroe...

Macworld said up to 2.8 GHz and Engadget said Core 2 Extreme as an option.

It's Conroe! Hat-eating time, people! :D:D:D:D

Okay, so let's see. Significant processor speed increase. Significant graphics card increase (full generation newer). Significant redesign. Significant price drop (20" screen goes from $1499 to $1199, with all these new specs, that's $300 price drop).

So it's $300 cheaper, but faster, with better graphics, thinner, a new design, and bigger drives.

How could you ask for more?

SamIchi
Aug 7, 2007, 12:58 PM
So if I undertstand correctly, there will be a mini bluetooth version of the keyboard? If so will there be a wireless version for the big keyboard? The Numeric pad is really nice to have IMO.

cgratti
Aug 7, 2007, 12:58 PM
wOOt

TheSilencer
Aug 7, 2007, 12:59 PM
ATi HD2400 and 2600? So much for gaming. Both can´t even stand with the GeForce 8800GTS 640MB. +sigh+

Dont Hurt Me
Aug 7, 2007, 12:59 PM
ATi graphics, not many people caught that one did they. I guess this means its blue ray. Interesting, looks good but ill have to get the wife's OK before I replace this Dell with a iMac.

b_eleven
Aug 7, 2007, 12:59 PM
so is the core 2 extreme the desktop version. this isn't the same as in the macbook pro, is it?

Stridder44
Aug 7, 2007, 12:59 PM
WAHOOO!!! Thank you Apple! And thank you 100x more for not making it look like the ACD!!!

mdriftmeyer
Aug 7, 2007, 12:59 PM
what's with the removal of the numpad?? that's so lame

It's there, just not in that photo cropping.

siurpeeman
Aug 7, 2007, 01:01 PM
are the core 2 duo extreme processors desktop processors? or are these the ones found in the current macbook pro?

*edit*
ugh, too slow. someone asked the same thing three posts up. :(

Eidorian
Aug 7, 2007, 01:01 PM
It's Conroe...

Macworld said up to 2.8 GHz and Engadget said Core 2 Extreme as an option.

It's Conroe! Hat-eating time, people! :D:D:D:D

Okay, so let's see. Significant processor speed increase. Significant graphics card increase (full generation newer). Significant redesign. Significant price drop (20" screen goes from $1499 to $1199, with all these new specs, that's $300 price drop).

So it's $300 cheaper, but faster, with better graphics, thinner, a new design, and bigger drives.

How could you ask for more?I don't see any proof of Conroe from what I've seen.

are the core 2 duo extreme processors desktop processors? or are these the ones found in the current macbook pro?The X7800/7900 is a mobile Extreme processor.

kungming2
Aug 7, 2007, 01:01 PM
The interesting thing is that the command key no longer has the apple logo on it, rather, the words "command" on it. :(

Peace
Aug 7, 2007, 01:01 PM
The Core 2 Extreme is a desktop processor I believe.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=L&ai=Bi5XWp7O4Rv7tJYXeggLH3OWHC4ipsRnw8Pj0AvSk6swHsL0QCAAQARgBILlUOAFQhZjg8fr_____AWDJ9viGyKOgGZgB64YB mAGEhwGqAQRlbittyAEByAKQrxnZA3Hdodmfer6A&q=http://www.intel.com/products/processor/core2XE/index.htm%3Fcid%3Dcim:ggl%7Cc2d_us_extreme_brand%7Ck6D3B%7Cs&usg=AFQjCNF0PcIzd6KK5MCd5TarYGx5x1Ho6A

Compile 'em all
Aug 7, 2007, 01:03 PM
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/5481/dsc1341ql1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Eidorian
Aug 7, 2007, 01:03 PM
The Core 2 Extreme is a desktop processor I believe.Check the Merom (http://guides.macrumors.com/Merom) guide and old first page (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/07/16/intel-core-2-extreme-2-6-ghz-x7800-announced/) news.

nickelcokes
Aug 7, 2007, 01:03 PM
The two keyboard photos are similar, but they aren't the same. In the rumored image, the design was much more spread out, while the new iMac keyboard is much more compact. Just look at the differences in the position of the arrow keys.

Rumored keyboard:
New iMac keyboard:
There is another image of the keyboard in the presentation:

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/08/dsc_1317.jpg

You will notice that the rim around the Esc key is different than the compact version. The smaller aluminum border and rounded corner in this picture matches the rumored design. Also, in the picture of the iMac with keyboard, you can clearly see there there is a numeric keypad and separate arrow-key layout. I suspect they have a small lap version (Bluetooth?) and the full-size USB version.

Sdashiki
Aug 7, 2007, 01:03 PM
ebay dumping time! :p

alec
Aug 7, 2007, 01:04 PM
But I wanted a $999 one :(

Alloye
Aug 7, 2007, 01:05 PM
I was a little worried when I bought my MacBook Pro that I might prefer the design of the rumored new iMac. Glad I was wrong. I'm just not feeling the aluminum/black-plastic combo.

On the other hand, I am going to order one of the new wireless keyboards as soon as they become available as a separate item.

paquetja
Aug 7, 2007, 01:05 PM
but what about VESA wall mounting?
Why have this super-thin, beautiful display that you can use a wireless keyboard/mouse and not be able to mount it?

maybe it will only be available in the 24" model, like it was with the previous line?

mdriftmeyer
Aug 7, 2007, 01:05 PM
I don't see any proof of Conroe from what I've seen.

The X7800/7900 is a mobile Extreme processor.

If the listed front-side bus is 1066 or more then you know it's at least a Conroe.

Gloor
Aug 7, 2007, 01:06 PM
Where is the Mac Pro update?

netmonkey
Aug 7, 2007, 01:06 PM
Interesting new look... it's kind of like some sort of hybrid Pro and iPhone. It has this sort of retro industrial feeling to it, too.

The new keyboards don't make any sense, though! Why would you get rid of the extra keys? Sure, they're not used as much, but they weren't hurting anybody. It's kind of like the old rounded mouse the first iMacs had, which sucked unless you were a child.

mark88
Aug 7, 2007, 01:06 PM
It looks classy!

The now old iMac design was hard to improve upon, they did what I thought and just made it slimmer. Not sure about it only having a glossy screen though.

Azurael
Aug 7, 2007, 01:07 PM
Yep. It's me, leaping on Apple's choice of GPU again.

But aren't consumers going to be a bit miffed when they find that the new 20" entry level iMac has overall lower graphics performance (the 2400 series only has a 64-bit memory interface, which considerably hampers performance) versus the lower-spec old 20" iMac (which has an X1600 with a less-hampered, though still rubbish, 128-bit memory interface)? Especially when OpenGL standards haven't yet been updated to take advantage of the DX10-class features of the new chip, so other advantages like geometry shading which are available on the Radeon HD 2xxx series but not the old X1600 are moot for OS X...?

And what about the entry level 17" model which was a direct replacement for the eMac? What are education buyers who don't need the fancy GPU and extra cost going to buy? Dells?

Iced Angel
Aug 7, 2007, 01:07 PM
any yellowish problem on this one ?? lol

CrazyWingman
Aug 7, 2007, 01:07 PM
what's with the removal of the numpad?? that's so lame

Screw the numpad. Most of the time, you're just reaching around it to get your mouse anyway. I switched to a keyboard with no numpad about a year ago, and I don't miss it. My mouse is closer to where I type, and I have more desk space. Unless you're doing finance or typing nothing but IP addresses all day, I doubt you'd miss it either.

mdriftmeyer
Aug 7, 2007, 01:07 PM
but what about VESA wall mounting?
Why have this super-thin, beautiful display that you can use a wireless keyboard/mouse and not be able to mount it?

maybe it will only be available in the 24" model, like it was with the previous line?

It's a unified desktop for offices and businesses, students and others.

It's not a Cinema Display with the workstation built-in.

Wall mounting is for the Cinema displays.

Airflow would be crippled with a large planar surface in the back of the display killing all convective heat transfer.

AppleiMac
Aug 7, 2007, 01:07 PM
I was hoping for an iMac more along the lines of the iPhone, but this is the next best thing. I like the slimmer design and new keyboard a lot. Not the higher prices though. What is Apple going to do with the lower end of the market, if they raise the iMac prices and discontinue the Mini? :confused: Not a very wise move, IMO.

Lazy Cat
Aug 7, 2007, 01:07 PM
At last!! :) Im so damn happy, been waiting to get the old 24" beauty! Thank you :apple:
Hope its in the UK bloody soon :rolleyes:

Peace ;)

WestonHarvey1
Aug 7, 2007, 01:08 PM
americans + fat fingers = bigger spacing

No, it's an illusion. The top surface of the keycaps on the current Pro keyboard are smaller than the base of the key. You don't notice the spacing because the bases of the keys nearly touch each other, thus you see more of the white keys than you do of the spacing.

mdriftmeyer
Aug 7, 2007, 01:08 PM
Yep. It's me, leaping on Apple's choice of GPU again.

But aren't consumers going to be a bit miffed when they find that the new 20" entry level iMac has overall lower graphics performance (the 2400 series only has a 64-bit memory interface, which considerably hampers performance) versus the lower-spec old 20" iMac (which has an X1600 with a less-hampered, though still rubbish, 128-bit memory interface)? Especially when OpenGL standards haven't yet been updated to take advantage of the DX10-class features of the new chip, so other advantages like geometry shading which are available on the Radeon HD 2xxx series but not the old X1600 are moot for OS X...?

And what about the entry level 17" model which was a direct replacement for the eMac? What are education buyers who don't need the fancy GPU and extra cost going to buy? Dells?

OpenGL has nothing to do with DirectX 10 class features.

OS X 10.5 is OpenGL 2.x standard and Core Animation requires it.

gkarris
Aug 7, 2007, 01:09 PM
But I wanted a $999 one :(

Unless there's a Mini update or replacement, good-bye low end...

reubs
Aug 7, 2007, 01:10 PM
So I've never owned a Mac desktop...will upgrading RAM on these iMacs be easy to do, or is that something that will have to happen on the assembly line? I'm betting it's an assembly line thing, but I'm just curious.

Thanks.

AppleiMac
Aug 7, 2007, 01:10 PM
Yep. It's me, leaping on Apple's choice of GPU again.

But aren't consumers going to be a bit miffed when they find that the new 20" entry level iMac has overall lower graphics performance (the 2400 series only has a 64-bit memory interface, which considerably hampers performance) versus the lower-spec old 20" iMac (which has an X1600 with a less-hampered, though still rubbish, 128-bit memory interface)? Especially when OpenGL standards haven't yet been updated to take advantage of the DX10-class features of the new chip, so other advantages like geometry shading which are available on the Radeon HD 2xxx series but not the old X1600 are moot for OS X...?

And what about the entry level 17" model which was a direct replacement for the eMac? What are education buyers who don't need the fancy GPU and extra cost going to buy? Dells?


Guess so, as well as many other low end buyers. :( This is a great oppurtunity to get more buyers and expand marketshare, etc with Macs doing so well now.

namasteboi
Aug 7, 2007, 01:10 PM
Isn't the Core 2 Duo Extreme a *quad-core* processor?

If so - OMG! Fantastic!!

Eidorian
Aug 7, 2007, 01:11 PM
So I've never owned a Mac desktop...will upgrading RAM on these iMacs be easy to do, or is that something that will have to happen on the assembly line? I'm betting it's an assembly line thing, but I'm just curious.

Thanks.It just takes one screw to take off the RAM door.

chyeahish
Aug 7, 2007, 01:11 PM
the isight is..........where?

Cuyahoga
Aug 7, 2007, 01:11 PM
Man...I hope there's a BTO option for the 24" GPU. I'm not too thrilled about the HD2600.

Has anyone noticed if there are any display in/out ports? I'd love to be able to use the iMac screen as a display for my laptop.

erreerre
Aug 7, 2007, 01:12 PM
http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/townhall07/appletownhall0722.jpg

ksz
Aug 7, 2007, 01:13 PM
Isn't the Core 2 Duo Extreme a *quad-core* processor?

If so - OMG! Fantastic!!

No, it's still a duo.

AutumnSkyline
Aug 7, 2007, 01:13 PM
the isight is..........where?

I was wondering the exact same thing.

I could imagine what Steve is thinking up there: "****, we forgot the damn camera!"
hahaha

serpico
Aug 7, 2007, 01:14 PM
Where is the Mini? Come on now, how long has it been since an update? I want a low cost mac with some power and no screen. I'm not the only one. I have a bad feeling when the store comes back up...

gloss
Aug 7, 2007, 01:14 PM
That keyboard, whilst OKish for laptops, sucks for desktop.

Personally, I can't stand the MacBook keyboard, and that new iMac keyboard, obviously takes after the MacBook.

Whats with the giant spacing between each key anyway?

Look at your current keyboard. The keys are wider at the bottom than at the top.

The Macbook-style keys have an identical exposed face size, but are the same size top and bottom, giving the illusion of 'giant spacing'. The tactile surface area is the same.

merman637
Aug 7, 2007, 01:14 PM
The two keyboard photos are similar, but they aren't the same. In the rumored image, the design was much more spread out, while the new iMac keyboard is much more compact. Just look at the differences in the position of the arrow keys.

Rumored keyboard:
New iMac keyboard:

There ARE 2 different keyboards. 1 is a wired macbook like keyboard, with numkeys. Looks JUST LIKE the prototype photos. 2nd is a wireless compact design. Both photos are correct.

gloss
Aug 7, 2007, 01:15 PM
It's there, just not in that photo cropping.

Actually, no. The Bluetooth keyboard has no number pad. The default wired keyboard does.

Peace
Aug 7, 2007, 01:15 PM
I was wondering the exact same thing.

I could imagine what Steve is thinking up there: "****, we forgot the damn camera!"
hahaha

the iSight is in the top.

ImAlwaysRight
Aug 7, 2007, 01:15 PM
LINK (http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Desktop-Display-2-0GHz-Intel/dp/B0006HU49Y/ref=sr_1_6/103-0387557-8852638?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1186510455&sr=8-6)

And I bought one! :D

GFLPraxis
Aug 7, 2007, 01:16 PM
Interesting new look... it's kind of like some sort of hybrid Pro and iPhone. It has this sort of retro industrial feeling to it, too.

The new keyboards don't make any sense, though! Why would you get rid of the extra keys? Sure, they're not used as much, but they weren't hurting anybody. It's kind of like the old rounded mouse the first iMacs had, which sucked unless you were a child.

Actually, the new keyboard looks almost identical to my MacBook keyboard.

Why'd they take off the number pad?

sparkyms
Aug 7, 2007, 01:16 PM
i imagine the iSight is in that black glass bit, so its subtle. (if it is there)..

CanadaRAM
Aug 7, 2007, 01:16 PM
The iSight is where?I would imagine behind the glass.

iWork 08 -- Numbers
FINALLY a spreadsheet.

brucku
Aug 7, 2007, 01:16 PM
What's next? Seems odd that he released the bang, pop first (keyboards,imac) and then talked about software for an hour. Do we have a one more thing coming at the end?

merman637
Aug 7, 2007, 01:17 PM
the isight is..........where?

Just a guess...in the black border and just blends in?
Call me crazy!

bubbalwz
Aug 7, 2007, 01:17 PM
Is the HDD easier to access than on past models? I know it was a PITA to get to it on the last version.

mrmjd
Aug 7, 2007, 01:18 PM
What happened to the remote control though??

newkeyboard
Aug 7, 2007, 01:18 PM
what's with the removal of the numpad?? that's so lame

isn't that just on the bt version? There is a pic of the imac that shows a full sized keyboard... I think.

lag1090
Aug 7, 2007, 01:18 PM
There ARE 2 different keyboards. 1 is a wired macbook like keyboard, with numkeys. Looks JUST LIKE the prototype photos. 2nd is a wireless compact design. Both photos are correct.

Sorry if they don't have images of everything up yet. How was I supposed to know that there were two different versions when half of the live coverage sites don't have images of both versions up?

merman637
Aug 7, 2007, 01:18 PM
Actually, the new keyboard looks almost identical to my MacBook keyboard.

Why'd they take off the number pad?
read my post above.

Schtumple
Aug 7, 2007, 01:19 PM
I seriously hate that black border around the screen, and the black on the back, seriously, is the golden age of apple design over so soon?

CmdrLaForge
Aug 7, 2007, 01:19 PM
The new iMac is really fantastic. I really love love the new design.

I am not so happy about the displays but I guess I can't have all.

mdriftmeyer
Aug 7, 2007, 01:20 PM
the isight is..........where?

http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/08/appletownhall0712.jpg

Zoom-In.

It's there. It's just more subdued. Top Center of the Monitor.

statikcat
Aug 7, 2007, 01:20 PM
What's next? Seems odd that he released the bang, pop first (keyboards,imac) and then talked about software for an hour. Do we have a one more thing coming at the end?

Can only hope..

dapeegoo
Aug 7, 2007, 01:20 PM
LINK (http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Desktop-Display-2-0GHz-Intel/dp/B0006HU49Y/ref=sr_1_6/103-0387557-8852638?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1186510455&sr=8-6)

And I bought one! :D

Does anybody have the link to the 20 inch 2.4ghz on amazon?

merman637
Aug 7, 2007, 01:20 PM
Sorry if they don't have images of everything up yet. How was I supposed to know that there were two different versions when half of the live coverage sites don't have images of both versions up?

direct quote from engadget...
"New iMac. Also, new keyboard. You might have seen this on the web. Two USB ports. 0.33", full complement of keys, including dedicated keys for screen dimmer and brighter, expose, media controls, volume controls, eject for optical drive. This is the new iMac with the new keyboard and mouse. Wireless? New wireless keyboard, beautiful, very compact. People love to hold them in their lap. Bluetooth 2.0, all these dedicated keys as well."
"

and I'm not scolding you, just pointing out the facts...

Azurael
Aug 7, 2007, 01:20 PM
OpenGL has nothing to do with DirectX 10 class features.

OS X 10.5 is OpenGL 2.x standard and Core Animation requires it.

Yes, and nearly all DX9-class GPUs, given appropriate driver support are fully OpenGL 2.0 compliant. At the present time, there's no benefit from a DX10-class, unified shader GPU in an OS which doesn't support DX10 other than performance benefits a new generation of GPU may have over the previous one. Sadly, the 2400XT is not faster than the X1600...

thevofl
Aug 7, 2007, 01:23 PM
I have my credit card out to buy. But now I am putting it back in my wallet.

WTF?

No number pad. I do a lot of data entry.

Glossy screen. I sit with a window behind me. I would have to redesign my office. Why can't they do an option like the MBP?

I will look into a Mac Pro, but I will need to save more money.

EDIT: THANKS FOR POINTING OUT THE WIRED / BLUETOOTH VERSIONS. STILL UPSET ABOUT THE GLOSSY. I JUST TESTED A GLASS OVER MY CURRENT MONITOR. IT IS QUITE UN-VIEWABLE. PHOTOS LOOK GREAT, IF I COULD ONLY SEE THEM.

gloss
Aug 7, 2007, 01:23 PM
I seriously hate that black border around the screen, and the black on the back, seriously, is the golden age of apple design over so soon?

Black bezels, I believe, are supposed to improve perceived visual contrast.

mrmjd
Aug 7, 2007, 01:23 PM
....But what happened to the remote? Surely they'd show that?

merman637
Aug 7, 2007, 01:25 PM
I have my credit card out to buy. But now I am putting it back in my wallet.

WTF?

No number pad. I do a lot of data entry.

Glossy screen. I sit with a window behind me. I would have to redesign my office. Why can't they do an option like the MBP?

I will look into a Mac Pro, but I will need to save more money.

read above, numkeys are on the wired keyboard. wireless is the option to have keys like a laptop.

2 DIFFERENT KEYBOARDS.

odedia
Aug 7, 2007, 01:25 PM
Tee hee hee. I am so happy with my current, white, real-keyboard, NON-REFLECTIVE-SCREEN 24" iMac. Thank god I didn't think about waiting any longer.

AutumnSkyline
Aug 7, 2007, 01:26 PM
I have my credit card out to buy. But now I am putting it back in my wallet.

WTF?

No number pad. I do a lot of data entry.

Glossy screen. I sit with a window behind me. I would have to redesign my office. Why can't they do an option like the MBP?

I will look into a Mac Pro, but I will need to save more money.

Get the wired version then, and you CAN use other keyboards, it isn't like apple forces you to use theirs.

BenRoethig
Aug 7, 2007, 01:26 PM
I'm going to look at the BTO options before I draw any conclusions. I'm impressed by the design, but not very impressed with the specifications.

merman637
Aug 7, 2007, 01:27 PM
Tee hee hee. I am so happy with my current, white, real-keyboard, NON-REFLECTIVE-SCREEN 24" iMac. Thank god I didn't think about waiting any longer.
the glossy screen kills it for me also...
love all the other goodies, but the glossy screen with no option to get a REAL screen scraps the possibility for me...

bbarnhart
Aug 7, 2007, 01:27 PM
WTF?

No number pad. I do a lot of data entry.



Two keyboards - Bluetooth = compact, Wired = full size

Cybergypsy
Aug 7, 2007, 01:28 PM
Glossy.....yeahhhhhh

mdriftmeyer
Aug 7, 2007, 01:28 PM
Yes, and nearly all DX9-class GPUs, given appropriate driver support are fully OpenGL 2.0 compliant. At the present time, there's no benefit from a DX10-class, unified shader GPU in an OS which doesn't support DX10 other than performance benefits a new generation of GPU may have over the previous one. Sadly, the 2400XT is not faster than the X1600...

DirectX has nothing to do with OpenGL.

A DirectX 9 driver can be OpenGL 2 compliant as they aren't interrelated technologies.

They address different markets and purposes.

DirectX 10 is designed for Vista exclusively.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectX

DirectX as you should know is a family of APIs focused on audio/video.

OpenGL is focused solely on 2D and 3D Primitives.

OpenGL Shading language adds Textures and Shading to 2D and 3D Primitives.

OpenGL 2.1 adds sRGB support, OpenGL Shading 1.2 and pixel buffering to the GPU to perform efficient Vector image transforms.

mdriftmeyer
Aug 7, 2007, 01:29 PM
Two keyboards - Bluetooth = compact, Wired = full size

Stop perpetuating this person's mistake. The keyboard is full size.

abcdefGARY
Aug 7, 2007, 01:30 PM
Post deleted.

iJawn108
Aug 7, 2007, 01:30 PM
Have fun upgrading your ram or replacing your HDD new iMacsters that case is going to be a mother ****er to open.

Butthead
Aug 7, 2007, 01:30 PM
I don't see any proof of Conroe from what I've seen.

The X7800/7900 is a mobile Extreme processor.

X7800 comes stock @2.6Ghz, 7900 2.8Ghz, both over-clockable, both mobile/laptop designed CPU's. Unless Apple has a special underclocked...hehe, they've done it before with PPC's :), 7800 which would make no sense at all, either the MR story is incorrect, or it's a different CPU than X7800/X7900 series.

If the listed front-side bus is 1066 or more then you know it's at least a Conroe.

True, but the Apple store is currently down, we'll have to wait. Seems unlikely though, desktop CPU's generate too much heat for the already problematic thin iMac case (using laptop CPU's).

Stu Allen
Aug 7, 2007, 01:31 PM
Does anyone know yet if the iMac is available without the gloss screen? Because if it is not, it will be no good for photographic use as gloss screens cannot be calibrated correctly.

BadgerMac
Aug 7, 2007, 01:31 PM
So the big question - r they in stores yet?

bonafide
Aug 7, 2007, 01:31 PM
The Apple.ca website (assuming all Apple websites are down) currently in order for updates.

I tried to contact the 1-800-MY-APPLE number and the guy on the line 'Dan' said he couldn't order the new iMac for me either until the website is back up which he expects in another 45mins to an hour. (1230 hrs Mountain Time)

Wooo hoo.. I can't wait to order it...

Darkroom
Aug 7, 2007, 01:31 PM
this is not the same keyboard as the previously leaked... the new apple keyboard doesn't have a number keypad... the new keyboard is much like the old iMac G3 keyboard... which sucks... :mad:

[EDIT] oh nevermind... just read about the 2 dif keyboards... now i'm happy :)

AutumnSkyline
Aug 7, 2007, 01:32 PM
Have fun upgrading your ram or replacing your HDD new iMacsters that case is going to be a mother ****er to open.

Yeah, because you know, two screws were hard, and one screw will be even harder!

abcdefGARY
Aug 7, 2007, 01:32 PM
Post deleted.

Eidorian
Aug 7, 2007, 01:32 PM
Yeah, because you know, two screws were hard, and one screw will be even harder!They have a point when it comes to the hard drive.

OTA
Aug 7, 2007, 01:32 PM
I read some reviews and these 2400xt Ati for the lowest priced imac, it´s a piece of ****.
The 2600pro(for the expensives macs) don´t get too far too.

I was expecting a 8600GT(like mbp) minimium.

With all those games there are going on mac, i think those will be full playable only on a MAC PRO with updated graphic cards.

lvirden
Aug 7, 2007, 01:32 PM
Mr. Jobs mentioned a 1T hard disk capacity.

Do you suppose this means:

a) each disk can be up to 1T in size
b) each partition can be up to 1T in size
c) the total amount of disk that can be handled within the box is 1T
d) the total amount of disk that iMac can access is 1T

The reason I ask is that with the prices of hard disk plummeting, I could easily seem people putting in T sized media centers, where their iTunes, DVDs, photos, etc. are stored, with the item on the house's wireless network, and iTV, iPod, iPhone, etc. all eventually being able to access and make use of the data.

However, 1T becomes a tight fit as HD quality video, etc. starts becoming common.

Object-X
Aug 7, 2007, 01:32 PM
Not sure I like the black border. It reminds me of the HP design a little. I wonder if the screen is glossy like the HP or still matte?

Edit: Some posters are saying it's glossy. Did he say that in the keynote?

Cybergypsy
Aug 7, 2007, 01:33 PM
Have fun upgrading your ram or replacing your HDD new iMacsters that case is going to be a mother ****er to open.
Ram, said it was one screw.....LOL

FJ218700
Aug 7, 2007, 01:33 PM
Does anyone know yet if the iMac is available without the gloss screen? Because if it is not, it will be no good for photographic use as gloss screens cannot be calibrated correctly.

I think Steve would have said that matte is optional if that were the case

plinkoman
Aug 7, 2007, 01:34 PM
laptop keyboard? - :cool:
no 17" model? - :(
black everywhere instead of white? - :rolleyes:
glossy screens with no option for matte? - :mad::mad:

wtf...

lvirden
Aug 7, 2007, 01:34 PM
I wonder if the screen is glossy like the HP or still matte?

Mr. Jobs said it was a glossy screen.

erandall38
Aug 7, 2007, 01:34 PM
Have fun upgrading your ram or replacing your HDD new iMacsters that case is going to be a mother ****er to open.

One screw to change Ram.... It will take so little time I dont think I will have the time to have any fun... thanks though!!

AutumnSkyline
Aug 7, 2007, 01:35 PM
They have a point when it comes to the hard drive.

Oh, I know, I was addressing the fact he said RAM, is the current iMac's hard drive even user serviceable? If it is, I learned something new today.

appledrummer
Aug 7, 2007, 01:36 PM
tim said they were refreshing the mac mini. They didn't talk about it at all. What's gonna happen?

Darkroom
Aug 7, 2007, 01:36 PM
also... i don't see a remote in those images... humm... would be sad if the remote was no longer included... but it would be AMAZING if the remote was finally bluetooth instead of 70s IR.

but interestingly the camera i just bought this past weekend matches the new iMac! now i have to buy it ;)

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/41IWqu149rL.jpg

ImAlwaysRight
Aug 7, 2007, 01:36 PM
Does anybody have the link to the 20 inch 2.4ghz on amazon?

You could do a search or wait and have it spoon fed (http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Desktop-Display-2-4GHz-SuperDrive/dp/B000R81W7U/ref=sr_1_4/103-0387557-8852638?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1186511756&sr=1-4) to you.

FJ218700
Aug 7, 2007, 01:37 PM
Anyone else thinking that the gloss-only option represents hardware being obligately put in place for future touch compatibility?

thomasfxlt
Aug 7, 2007, 01:37 PM
During Q and A....

Will the iPhone's "multitouch" features filter down to the Mac eventually? Jobs said that it doesn't make a lot of sense in the Mac. "I would classify that as a research project at present," he added


LOL.....research project my A@#. (Tsunami to come)

Eidorian
Aug 7, 2007, 01:38 PM
Oh, I know, I was addressing the fact he said RAM, is the current iMac's hard drive even user serviceable? If it is, I learned something new today.If you have the service manual or Google-Fu the hard drive is the third easiest component to upgrade after the RAM and wireless card. That is, after you take the LCD off.

Note: This is based off of my service manuals for the Core Duo/Core 2 Duo (Napa) based iMacs. I don't know how much this still applies to the Santa Rosa based iMac.

iSee
Aug 7, 2007, 01:38 PM
It's Conroe...

Macworld said up to 2.8 GHz and Engadget said Core 2 Extreme as an option.

It's Conroe! Hat-eating time, people! :D:D:D:D

Okay, so let's see. Significant processor speed increase. Significant graphics card increase (full generation newer). Significant redesign. Significant price drop (20" screen goes from $1499 to $1199, with all these new specs, that's $300 price drop).

So it's $300 cheaper, but faster, with better graphics, thinner, a new design, and bigger drives.

How could you ask for more?

Stand back and watch ;)

Peace
Aug 7, 2007, 01:38 PM
http://www.apple.com/imac/

lag1090
Aug 7, 2007, 01:38 PM
Mr. Jobs mentioned a 1T hard disk capacity.

Do you suppose this means:

a) each disk can be up to 1T in size
b) each partition can be up to 1T in size
c) the total amount of disk that can be handled within the box is 1T
d) the total amount of disk that iMac can access is 1T

The reason I ask is that with the prices of hard disk plummeting, I could easily seem people putting in T sized media centers, where their iTunes, DVDs, photos, etc. are stored, with the item on the house's wireless network, and iTV, iPod, iPhone, etc. all eventually being able to access and make use of the data.

However, 1T becomes a tight fit as HD quality video, etc. starts becoming common.

The iMac has enough internal space to hold one HD. Current HDs max out at 1 TB, so that's what Steve was saying was available. When they produce larger drives in the future, the iMac will likely support them.

ImAlwaysRight
Aug 7, 2007, 01:40 PM
no, he is right, there will be 2 keyboards. the wireless one is obviously the smaller one for carrying around or putting on your lap or w/e

Think about it, folks. Remember the leaked photos? People were asking why they moved the eject and volume to no longer be above the keypad. Now we know ... because the BT version has no keypad, that way the buttons stay consistent across the board.

DanB91
Aug 7, 2007, 01:41 PM
why didnt they ask about the gaming market in the Q&A:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Harpo
Aug 7, 2007, 01:41 PM
2.8GHz! They didn't mention that.

regan
Aug 7, 2007, 01:41 PM
Alright!

Take THAT you chinless naysayers! The "chin" SURVIVES!

Bwa-ha-HA!

Without it, the new imac would have been a faceless screen in a sea of conformity.

I am happy to see the face is still there...staring back....smiling...sticking its chin proudly in the air.

LONG LIVE THE CHIN!!!

nemaslov
Aug 7, 2007, 01:42 PM
why do some people hate the glossy screen so much anyways?

if you've ever walked into best buy or anywhere, compare Sony's notebooks with their xBrite to normal lcd's, you will notice that xbrite is much better.

apple's glossy display is the same thing as son'y xbrite and vice versa

and by the way, I don't see any problems regarding reflection since you're not going to be taking your big fat imac outside into the sun anyways

I am sitting in my office on my iMac now. The screen is brite and beautiful. No reflections. Next to me is my MacBook. Yes it is brite but I also see the venetion blinds and trees outside reflecting in the glossy screen. We all do not sit in a dark room.

richdun
Aug 7, 2007, 01:42 PM
Store is back up, but, uh, I get an error when I click on the iMac graphic:

"Did not receive any response from application. It is possible that the application does not exist, or that the requested url is incorrect."

Also, the mini looks the same, and the mini's page (apple.com/macmini) still lists a 17" iMac... odd?

benmaughan
Aug 7, 2007, 01:42 PM
Core 2 Extreme processor at 2.8GHz. quality!!! i'm getting one!!!

MagicWok
Aug 7, 2007, 01:43 PM
tim said they were refreshing the mac mini. They didn't talk about it at all. What's gonna happen?

I noticed he slipped that little one in there too in the Q&A sessions... Waiting for the store to come up to see what refreshes there are. I've been waiting ages for a refresh, so I can get a Mac Mini in place of that god-awful :apple:TV.

I do like the new iMacs. I'm a bit under-whelmed at the Graphics Card, and very disappointed Apple is forcing Glossy on customers. I don't think many designers will be pushing their way to get one of those, especially where colour reproduction is crucial, but for general home use - not bad! :)

monke
Aug 7, 2007, 01:43 PM
I can't say I love the new iMac's yet. They're growing on me, but still, the seem to look kinda ugly at the same time. Maybe I got the flu.. :p

Peace
Aug 7, 2007, 01:43 PM
The keyboard has a num pad.

cr2sh
Aug 7, 2007, 01:44 PM
Hose job.

It's a dog and pony show.

No different than the old one.. that black edge is like put chrome on the last generation of a car design.. total ********.

Size and weight (20-inch)

* Height: 18.6 inches (47.2 cm)
* Width: 19.4 inches (49.3 cm)
* Depth: 7.4 inches (18.9 cm)
* Weight: 22 pounds (10 kg)4

Size and weight (20-inch)

* Height: 18.5 inches (46.9 cm)
* Width: 19.1 inches (48.5 cm)
* Depth: 7.4 inches (18.9 cm)
* Weight: 20 pounds (9.1 kg)

what a revolution. 3 / 10 of an inch on width.

thegrifman
Aug 7, 2007, 01:44 PM
Looks like Amazon has yanked it. Now it's just Product 38 @ $99,999.99 :) Put me down for one at that price!

backspinner
Aug 7, 2007, 01:44 PM
it comes with a remote

Gosh
Aug 7, 2007, 01:44 PM
new iMac looks smart.

Not sure if we call it a new iMac as such - I think probably yes because of the materials (who said it was just about form-factor)?

Apple's progress is now into maturity. There are many things they could have done but it is a balance about managing people expectations and the bottom line.

Thankfully they've kept the glorious chin - if a little less prominant than before - it says "I'm a computer actually love... alright"!:)

chaoticprout
Aug 7, 2007, 01:44 PM
I really wish the wired and wireless were the same size

slffl
Aug 7, 2007, 01:44 PM
OMG! The wireless keyboard got rid of the 10-key (something I never use)! That is so awesome. I have been wanting a keyboard just like this for quite a while!

IJ Reilly
Aug 7, 2007, 01:44 PM
Oops!

knelto
Aug 7, 2007, 01:45 PM
The store is up, but I can't get to the Mini page from the store. Or the iMac for that matter. (Even though apple.com/imac works)

apple.com/macmini doesn't appear to be updated yet...

EDIT: Now the mini page throws the "We'll be back soon!" page... it'll be up soon

Don Bagles
Aug 7, 2007, 01:45 PM
Is anyone else having trouble getting into any link in the apple store? The store is there, but it gives me error messages when I click the iMac, or any other computer.

Eidorian
Aug 7, 2007, 01:46 PM
Oops!I get the same thing.

ezzie
Aug 7, 2007, 01:46 PM
Anyone else thinking that the gloss-only option represents hardware being obligately put in place for future touch compatibility?

i suppose that's possible, but i don't want a glossy screen and i certainly don't want a touch screen.

i want to be able to make my own decision, dangit. :mad: a glossy screen will never work for me.

Butters
Aug 7, 2007, 01:46 PM
hahaha :D

the ad is genius

jakk2809
Aug 7, 2007, 01:47 PM
The new iMac kinda looks like a raccoon with that black outline. It's ok but I was hoping for a really big redesign. I guess the next one is the redesigned one.

Anyone know the song in the ad?
http://www.apple.com/imac/ads/

owenimholte
Aug 7, 2007, 01:48 PM
Hi all,
I dunno if this always occurs at a product refresh, but the store is doing some odd things. For at least the last 10 minutes I have been getting strange messages after trying to open either the "new iMac" page or the "new Mac Mini" page.

First:
Did not receive any response from application. It is possible that the application does not exist, or that the requested url is incorrect.

Then:
No instance available

----
Well, now it says the store is down again, so they must have noticed, and are probably fixing it by the time this is posted. Just noticed and thought it was kinda interesting.

Owen

xtine
Aug 7, 2007, 01:48 PM
Nice pictures on the newly updated apple.com homepage .... looks good !

guzhogi
Aug 7, 2007, 01:48 PM
Sorry if this has been said, but anyone else notice they took off the Apple logo on the command key? Now it has the pin wheel thing and "command".:confused:

ImAlwaysRight
Aug 7, 2007, 01:49 PM
mid and high end:
• ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO with 256MB of GDDR3 memory

all 3 models:
• 1GB (one SO-DIMM) 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM (PC2-5300), supports up to 4GB
• two USB 2.0 ports on keyboard


2.8GHz Intel Core 2 Extreme only available on 24" model

davey0
Aug 7, 2007, 01:50 PM
Core 2 Duo - 1.8 and 2.0

Mac Mini has a "New" graphic on it at the store, maybe it got a refresh as well.

shawmanus
Aug 7, 2007, 01:50 PM
They are using only merom(santa rosa platform) processors. 2.8ghz is slightly overclocked x7800.it is an unlocked processor running at 2.6ghz with multipliers upto 15x(so max 3ghz possible).

Bregalad
Aug 7, 2007, 01:50 PM
So the new iMac looks like a giant iPhone. We should have expected that.
iLife'08 looks like a nice incremental improvment over '06.
iWork'08, with a true word processing interface and spreadsheet, will banish all Micro$oft apps from my home computers. Hopefully we'll do the same at work because we no longer need Word's track changes feature (all documents are checked into subversion).
I still think Apple is looking at .Mac from the wrong perspective, but the changes they've made today should slow the exodus of frustrated users.

Two things I really hated about today's announcement:
1. "It's an all in one world" - Steve Jobs
2. Glossy displays

Translation:
1. We'll NEVER introduce a consumer tower/desktop.
2. Oooo shiny!

My response to Apple:
1. I'll NEVER buy another new Mac (hooray for the used market)
2. Over-saturated colour. Sorry Apple, another step toward mediocrity I won't be taking with you.

twoodcc
Aug 7, 2007, 01:50 PM
i actually like it a lot better than the old one.

deputy_doofy
Aug 7, 2007, 01:51 PM
Well, we did finally get a black iMac, more or less. I think it looks much nicer now.

thegrifman
Aug 7, 2007, 01:51 PM
Mac Mini has a "New" graphic on it at the store, though I get the "store is down" page when I click on it. Maybe I can get my parents to move over to Macs finally.

Chris Welch
Aug 7, 2007, 01:51 PM
Are these in the retail stores today?

CanadaRAM
Aug 7, 2007, 01:51 PM
also... i don't see a remote in those images... humm... would be sad if the remote was no longer included... but it would be AMAZING if the remote was finally bluetooth instead of 70s IR.

Remote is included.

Quila
Aug 7, 2007, 01:51 PM
really, aside from the screen size, what is the difference between the new mac and a mbp?

both are super thin, both have super thin keyboards, both have strong specs.......so you're telling me the only difference is if you either want:

1. portability, or
2. large screen ??

The big difference is the processor/motherboard. Laptop chips/mobos (as in the old iMac) run slower, have a slower system bus and can't take as much memory.

nemaslov
Aug 7, 2007, 01:52 PM
Anyone know if they are lighter or heavier than the equivalent sized older iMacs?

IJ Reilly
Aug 7, 2007, 01:53 PM
I get the same thing.

First time I've ever seen a page error on the Apple.com site. Thought I'd capture it for posterity. :)

freddiecable
Aug 7, 2007, 01:53 PM
Very good design improvement - even though I still like the snow-white iMac.

I was in the US-store and it said one could order 2.8 Ghz Extreme CPU :p but then I got thrown out :rolleyes:

Sbrocket
Aug 7, 2007, 01:53 PM
Quote from new iMac Tech Specs page:

"2.0GHz or 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor, or 2.8GHz Intel Core 2 Extreme processor"

The liveblogs all got it wrong -- it goes up to a 2.8GHz C2E. YAY :p

b33k34
Aug 7, 2007, 01:54 PM
ooh. i like. Very sexy.

However, is there no way of VESA mounting a 20" imac? I was just about to buy one but strangely for me that's actually a killer. It will have to be a mac mini with my Dell screen after all.

No mention of vouchers for OS upgrades - how long would i have to wait for that?

Lesser Evets
Aug 7, 2007, 01:54 PM
Lots of people quibble about 'the chin'. I had a new iMac for 2 weeks in April, and I loved the chin- great place to put stickies on.

thestaton
Aug 7, 2007, 01:54 PM
*beep* *beep* *beep* you apple. right when I was starting to save some money. now I gotta sell this old Duo iMac and get one of these.

wow!

zen
Aug 7, 2007, 01:55 PM
Can't wait to find out the UK prices. No doubt we'll get ripped again!

Won't the Extreme processor version cost an absolute boatload?? Aren't they significantly more expensive than the regular procs?

Gosh
Aug 7, 2007, 01:55 PM
Alright!

Take THAT you chinless naysayers! The "chin" SURVIVES!

Bwa-ha-HA!

Without it, the new imac would have been a faceless screen in a sea of conformity.

I am happy to see the face is still there...staring back....smiling...sticking its chin proudly in the air.

LONG LIVE THE CHIN!!!

well said - no chinless wonders here eh!

mark!
Aug 7, 2007, 01:56 PM
Lots of people quibble about 'the chin'. I had a new iMac for 2 weeks in April, and I loved the chin- great place to put stickies on.

That's true...haha

Also the black around the screen makes the chin look smaller than it really is...

kresh
Aug 7, 2007, 01:56 PM
I was just about to order and the store went down again :(

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/6069/picture1kg1.png (http://imageshack.us)

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4134/picture2mf0.png (http://imageshack.us)

mzd
Aug 7, 2007, 01:56 PM
so i'm guessing the 2.8 c2e is a worthwhile upgrade? can't check the price on it yet.

[edit]
ouch... $2299.00 pretty steep...

siurpeeman
Aug 7, 2007, 01:56 PM
Just look at the differences in the position of the arrow keys.

Rumored keyboard:

New iMac keyboard:

if you look at the pics of the keyboard on apple's website, the arrow keys look more like the rumored pic and not the real pic. i think steve has himself a fake. :)

bilbo--baggins
Aug 7, 2007, 01:56 PM
Shame the narrow border around the screen is just an illusion...

50548
Aug 7, 2007, 01:56 PM
Solid updates, although I can't have one of these babies until I am halfway paid with my new car...but they will certainly represent a great leap ahead compared to my 2GHz iMac G5...:rolleyes:

kidwithdimples
Aug 7, 2007, 01:57 PM
It's always great to see new Apple products. ITS TIME FOR PEOPLE TO BUY THE NEW iMACS AND POST PICTURES IN THE iMAC THREAD SO I CAN LOOK AT THEM ALL DAY :D:D:D!

iJawn108
Aug 7, 2007, 01:58 PM
So the new iMac looks like a giant iPhone. We should have expected that.
iLife'08 looks like a nice incremental improvment over '06.
iWork'08, with a true word processing interface and spreadsheet, will banish all Micro$oft apps from my home computers. Hopefully we'll do the same at work because we no longer need Word's track changes feature (all documents are checked into subversion).
I still think Apple is looking at .Mac from the wrong perspective, but the changes they've made today should slow the exodus of frustrated users.

Two things I really hated about today's announcement:
1. "It's an all in one world" - Steve Jobs
2. Glossy displays

Translation:
1. We'll NEVER introduce a consumer tower/desktop.
2. Oooo shiny!

My response to Apple:
1. I'll NEVER buy another new Mac (hooray for the used market)
2. Over-saturated colour. Sorry Apple, another step toward mediocrity I won't be taking with you.
Just wait till leopard gives you warnings while installing apps downloaded from the web. "You've downloaded camino from www.caminobrowser.com, would you like to install". Unless I can turn that off on the final release Tiger I shall use for man more days to come.

mozmac
Aug 7, 2007, 01:58 PM
From iMac Design page: "The use of recyclable glass and aluminum makes iMac friendlier to the environment, too."

You gotta love Apple's effort to please the green people.

macphisto
Aug 7, 2007, 01:58 PM
Sorry if this has been said, but anyone else notice they took off the Apple logo on the command key? Now it has the pin wheel thing and "command".:confused:

That is the one thing that is bugging me. The Apple key is iconic. I want that back! :( :mad:

Jowl
Aug 7, 2007, 01:58 PM
Can't wait to find out the UK prices. No doubt we'll get ripped again!

Won't the Extreme processor version cost an absolute boatload?? Aren't they significantly more expensive than the regular procs?


20" From £799 inc VAT

Forget the iMac - it's nice but not enough flexability for me in IT Support.

But show me the silent Mini updates - I've been waiting patiently for a media computer for the front room!

slffl
Aug 7, 2007, 01:58 PM
I don't know if this is possible on the old iMacs, but you can connect a 2nd monitor to the new ones. Awesome!

Dany M
Aug 7, 2007, 01:58 PM
Why did they take out the keypad on the wireless keyboard, that sucks!

schatten
Aug 7, 2007, 02:00 PM
The new iMacs are beautiful. Jon Ive is my hero.

Darkroom
Aug 7, 2007, 02:00 PM
I was just about to order and the store went down again :(

probably to update the Mac Mini refresh they mentioned during the Q&A

Jowl
Aug 7, 2007, 02:01 PM
Why did they take out the keypad on the wireless keyboard, that sucks!

Not for my living room media mini! It's great. Come on Apple, give us the updated mini to go with the keyboard!

Captnroger
Aug 7, 2007, 02:01 PM
Anyone find stock at a local store today? I can't get mine to answer the darn phone.

aswitcher
Aug 7, 2007, 02:01 PM
Think about it, folks. Remember the leaked photos? People were asking why they moved the eject and volume to no longer be above the keypad. Now we know ... because the BT version has no keypad, that way the buttons stay consistent across the board.

Yep, thats what jumped out at me when I finally figured out there were 2 keyboards.

macenforcer
Aug 7, 2007, 02:01 PM
What's up with the black border??? Don't know I like it. All glossy huh? Is that the screen or a clear protective cover over the screen. The way my kids scratch them things it might benefit from a cover.

FleurDuMal
Aug 7, 2007, 02:02 PM
Are they all glossy displays?

Sucks royally for anyone wanting to do photo or video editing :(

iJawn108
Aug 7, 2007, 02:02 PM
the big one is the wired keyboard

http://www.apple.com/keyboard/

Multimedia
Aug 7, 2007, 02:02 PM
Apologies if this is already in the thread. The WIRED keyboard has regular numerical keypad etc while the new WIRELESS model has the numerical keypad chopped off (http://www.apple.com/keyboard/). Top is the Wired model, Middle is the Bluetooth model, Next is the Edge of the Bluetooth model and Bottom is the Edge of the Wired model.

Bonus fact:

Wired is the first Apple Keyboard to have Dual USB 2.0 ports on them - one on each END. So you wind up with 4 USB 2 ports not 3. Two on the iMac and two on the wired keyboard.

zero2dash
Aug 7, 2007, 02:02 PM
http://www.apple.com/imac/technology/storage.html
iMac uses one of the fastest memory technologies available — 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM

They may want to remove that, since, you know...there's DDR2 800, DDR2 1066, DDR3 1066, and DDR3 1333. :p

hyroboarder
Aug 7, 2007, 02:03 PM
Have fun upgrading your ram or replacing your HDD new iMacsters that case is going to be a mother ****er to open.

I will have fun because the bottom of the imac has a screw and when you unscrew it a little door pops off to add ram. :)

Eidorian
Aug 7, 2007, 02:03 PM
Apologies if this is already in the thread. The WIRED keyboard has regular numerical keypad etc while the new WIRELESS model has the numerical keypad chopped off (http://www.apple.com/keyboard/). Top is the Wired model, Middle is the Bluetooth model, Bottom is the Edge of both.

Bonus fact:

Wired is the first Apple Keyboards to have dual USB 2.0 ports on them. So you wind up with 4 USB 2 ports not 3. Two on the iMac and two on the wired keyboard.I was hoping they were USB 2.0.

Kelmon
Aug 7, 2007, 02:04 PM
what's with the removal of the numpad?? that's so lame

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Seriously, I was so up for a Bluetooth keyboard with laptop-style scissor-key action and where the frick is the bloody numeric keypad? This is one of the major reasons that I don't use my laptop's keyboard normally - I need a numeric keypad at work. So, that rules out the Bluetooth version and I'm majorly pissed about that. The wired version is a possible but what the heck is the Function (Fn) key doing in the middle of the keyboard? Gutted. I can probably live with the wired version but the Bluetooth version is a design of madness.

kixsand
Aug 7, 2007, 02:04 PM
Anyone know if they are lighter or heavier than the equivalent sized older iMacs?

I think that they are exactly the same weight...was looking at the tech specs and they list the new 24" at 25lbs which is what my 24" is.

I was also looking at the smaller chin and noticed that if you take the black bezel into account as part of the chin then it really may not be significantly smaller than the old chin.

I was worried that I'd be kicking myself over having bought my 24" 6 months ago but after seeing it and looking at the specs I'm not upset at all. I don't think this computer will be that much faster than mine. The new look is nice but I happen to think that my computer is gorgeous too.

Darren

jimjoebob
Aug 7, 2007, 02:04 PM
I thought this was funny. Too bad the iPhone can't wirelessly compete with one of Apples beloved products. This is a screen cap from the new imac wirelesss page. :rolleyes:

Azurael
Aug 7, 2007, 02:05 PM
DirectX has nothing to do with OpenGL.

A DirectX 9 driver can be OpenGL 2 compliant as they aren't interrelated technologies.

They address different markets and purposes.

DirectX 10 is designed for Vista exclusively.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectX

DirectX as you should know is a family of APIs focused on audio/video.

OpenGL is focused solely on 2D and 3D Primitives.

OpenGL Shading language adds Textures and Shading to 2D and 3D Primitives.

OpenGL 2.1 adds sRGB support, OpenGL Shading 1.2 and pixel buffering to the GPU to perform efficient Vector image transforms.

Okay, if you're going to be pedantic, replace the terms 'DX9' and 'DX10' in my previous posts with 'D3D9' and 'D3D10'.

As you should also well know, this whole argument arose out of the somewhat dubious claim that somehow a 2400xt was better than an X1600 for 10.5 despite being an inferior GPU performance-wise because it supports OpenGL 2.0 and thus Core Animation. My point is that this is a fallacy; the X1600 is just as much OpenGL 2.0 compliant as the 2400xt. The only reason I was revering to 'DX9' and 'DX10-class' GPUs is that GPU design is very much driven by the wishes of game developers and evolutions in Microsoft's Direct3D specifications, and OpenGL comes as second thought.

GFLPraxis
Aug 7, 2007, 02:05 PM
I JUST TESTED A GLASS OVER MY CURRENT MONITOR. IT IS QUITE UN-VIEWABLE. PHOTOS LOOK GREAT, IF I COULD ONLY SEE THEM.


Do you think Apple is stupid? It'll be well-done.

Have you seen the iPhone? That uses glass, IIRC. Looks fine.

ksgant
Aug 7, 2007, 02:06 PM
I like the look and everything, but I'm REALLY let down by the video card options. ATI HD 2600 Pro? I'm sorry, but the Nvidia 7600GT that's in my 24" right now is about on par with the ATI. I was hoping for an upgrade in the graphics...like the Nvidia 8600GT perhaps...which is much better than the ATI card in terms of power.

Just look at all the tests on the web of the ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro compared to other cards in it's price range.

I was hoping for a little bit more. But the store is still down, maybe they offer higher end video as an option. But I doubt it.

segfaultdotorg
Aug 7, 2007, 02:07 PM
The black case will show smudges and dust. The keyboard is like a laptop's and doesn't have enough key travel. They rearranged the volume and Expose keys--if they're going to do that, why not just assign them randomly when each keyboard is made? Makes as much sense... Also, the black Apple logo on the front of the iMac is ugly. It should be a translucent logo on a white background like the MacBook.

gdesalvo@umail.
Aug 7, 2007, 02:08 PM
24 inch up to 2.8 ghz

http://www.apple.com/imac/specs.html#configurations

monke
Aug 7, 2007, 02:08 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Seriously, I was so up for a Bluetooth keyboard with laptop-style scissor-key action and where the frick is the bloody numeric keypad? This is one of the major reasons that I don't use my laptop's keyboard normally - I need a numeric keypad at work. So, that rules out the Bluetooth version and I'm majorly pissed about that. The wired version is a possible but what the heck is the Function (Fn) key doing in the middle of the keyboard? Gutted. I can probably live with the wired version but the Bluetooth version is a design of madness.

http://www.apple.com/imac/design.html :rolleyes:

Edit: Nevermind, I thought you we're talking about the wired one.
Man that sucks. No number pad on the wireless one. Glad I just bought one! :)

GregD
Aug 7, 2007, 02:09 PM
Been a lurker on Macrumors for a while... so finally joined :)
Im going to be a switcher from PC to Mac, as ive been using a Mac in work for nearly a year and im sold.

Im suprised the Mac Pro has not been updated... the new iMac looks great but we now have a "consumer" product with a better graphics card than a "pro" product.

Only thing stopping me from buying this is the glossy screen, im hoping there is an option not to have it.

Plymouthbreezer
Aug 7, 2007, 02:10 PM
This is good! I'm deff enjoying the new models.

I wish the Mini would get upgraded soon! That, or get a price cut!

BigSky20
Aug 7, 2007, 02:12 PM
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Check out the Mac Mini Update!

Evangelion
Aug 7, 2007, 02:12 PM
Mac Mini: 1.83 & 2GHz Core 2 Duos, 1GB RAM, 80 % 120GB HD. Still the frigging combo-drive in the low-end model :mad:

cromestant
Aug 7, 2007, 02:12 PM
must resist urge to buy.....

Must wait for leopard...

mzd
Aug 7, 2007, 02:13 PM
This is good! I'm deff enjoying the new models.

I wish the Mini would get upgraded soon! That, or get a price cut!

the mini is updated, it is just that the store is down so we can't see what all is new...

monke
Aug 7, 2007, 02:13 PM
Anyone seen the new HDD specs yet?

http://www.apple.com/imac/technology/storage.html

Holy mack! 320 GB standard. That's double what I got two years ago.

miloblithe
Aug 7, 2007, 02:16 PM
Mac Mini: 1.83 & 2GHz Core 2 Duos, 1GB RAM, 80 % 120GB HD. Still the frigging combo-drive in the low-end model :mad:

Seriously. That's exceedingly cheap of Apple.

theheyes
Aug 7, 2007, 02:16 PM
They're okay, but do they want to make me go out and replace my iMac 1.83 Core Duo?

Nope.

Nepenthe
Aug 7, 2007, 02:17 PM
dont you love it when rumours come true...
<snip images>


Looks familiar

Wayfarer
Aug 7, 2007, 02:18 PM
In my humble opinion and considering things from a designer's point of view...

the new iMac = Perfection. :)

chr1s60
Aug 7, 2007, 02:18 PM
I like the new iMac and wish I could afford one right now. I think I will just wait til Leopard is released and buy one then.

thevofl
Aug 7, 2007, 02:18 PM
Do you think Apple is stupid? It'll be well-done.

Have you seen the iPhone? That uses glass, IIRC. Looks fine.

I do own an iPhone. When there is glare, I move it by adjusting my hand. Easy. A 24" iMac does not lend itself to moving it out of the way.

Yes, Apple has made stupid decisions in the past. The G4 Cube is an example. The unrelenting love of the one button mouse (until recently) is another. What is wrong with offering the option? They do it on the MBP? So it must offer a premium for someone out there.

I see PCs with glossy screens at Best Buy, Costco, etc. and I cringe. Even in the stores you can't look at the screen without seeing something distracting in the reflection.

Lazy Cat
Aug 7, 2007, 02:19 PM
must resist urge to buy.....

Must wait for leopard...

can't you just get one now, then buy leopard when it comes out and update it??

ImAlwaysRight
Aug 7, 2007, 02:20 PM
Anyone know the cost increase of upgrading to the 2.8GHz proc on the 24"?

steve_hill4
Aug 7, 2007, 02:21 PM
Couldn't see it posted elsewhere, so I'll say "Comes With Cleaning Cloth". Guess you'll need it with all that glass.

Also, my concern is the layout of buttons on the new keyboard. It struck me the other day the rumoured and now confirmed board has media controls where exposé currently is and have moved brightness from F14/15 to F1/2. I hope both will continue to function as originally planned under Leopard. I like my chunky BT keyboard as it is now thanks. While I'll get one included with the new iMac, I might just stick with this one most of the time.

Either way, I think today has finally made my mind up to wait out Leopard. Hopefully minor bumps when it comes included, however unlikely that may be. 320GB too small, 1GB too small and glossy display not up my alley, but with almost certainly go for it anyway. I might custom it through computerwarehouse.co.uk (http://www.computerwarehouse.co.uk), or stick to stock and buy discounted from work, (definitely worth the wait out). Either way, single 1GB SO-DIMM means only about £30 to upgrade to 2GB and I have over 1TB external already. Should be fine.

vassillios
Aug 7, 2007, 02:21 PM
has anybody mentioned that it is configurable with up to a 2.8 C2D extreme?