Karl Rove to Resign

[miloblithe]

WASHINGTON - Karl Rove, President Bush's close friend and chief political strategist, plans to leave the White House at the end of August, joining a lengthening line of senior officials heading for the exits in the final 1 1/2 years of the administration.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070813/ap_on_go_pr_wh/rove_resigning

I guess he's obviously not doing a good job if Bush's ratings are as low as they are.

I always am amazed that people pull out the "spend more time with my family" BS, even if, like Rove, they've been lying about everything else for years.

[ReanimationLP]

Heh, The Architect is resigning.

Milo, you pretty much hit the nail on the head with your comment about not doing a good job.

[toontra]

My favourite quote from the BBC website from a reader:

"If Rove has been Bush's chief advisor, he has given a lot of very, very bad advice."

[yg17]

good riddance

[zimv20]

it's probably a good time for him to announce, shortly after bush's win in legalizing the (known) wiretapping program (stupid democrats). it makes me wonder how long rove has been waiting for such an upnote, regardless of how small.

i do wonder what rove will do now; perhaps he's already identified a GOP presidential candidate for whom he'll work. or maybe he's hoping to lie low so the dems will forget to subpeona him.

[leekohler]

I hope he jumps off a bridge.

[ham_man]

I hope he jumps off a bridge.
I don't see Rove as the bungee jumping type...

[Swarmlord]

Now he'll be free to advise not only the President, but also get more involved in the strategery leading up to the election. He realizes that he's much more powerful when he doesn't have to worry about Reid, Schumer and Leahey trying to supoena him as the advisor to the President.

[atszyman]

or maybe he's hoping to lie low so the dems will forget to subpeona him.

Or does he see bad things coming in the showdown on subpoenas so he's getting out from his "boss" now so he can testify and give them one less route to attack him since he already quit his job....

I know, wishful thinking....

[leekohler]

I don't see Rove as the bungee jumping type...

Who said anything about giving him a bungee cord?

[killerrobot]

Everyone in the GOP that lined up with Bush is running for their lives, trying to salvage any part of their political careers now.
I hope dems finally get enough backbone to impeach Bush, especially when he's left all alone and doesn't even have support of any republicans.

[Sdashiki]

My favourite quote from the BBC website from a reader:

"If Rove has been Bush's chief advisor, he has given a lot of very, very bad advice."

BAM!

[yg17]

Who said anything about giving him a bungee cord?

nah, give him a bungee cord, but make sure there's a huge wind gust so when he comes back up, he gets blown under the bridge and slams into the underside of it :D

[ghall]

nah, give him a bungee cord, but make sure there's a huge wind gust so when he comes back up, he gets blown under the bridge and slams into the underside of it :D

Better yet, attach one end of the bungee cord to him, and don't attach the other end to anything, then have him jump. As an extra measure, have Dick Cheney go quail hunting by the bridge. Oh *****, one just landed in the river!" BANG!!! :p

LOL, I have a sick mind. :D

[yg17]

Better yet, attach one end of the bungee cord to him, and don't attach the other end to anything, then have him jump. As an extra measure, have Dick Cheney go quail hunting by the bridge. Oh *****, one just landed in the river!" BANG!!! :p

LOL, I have a sick mind. :D


And I can think of a certain body part of his that it should be attached to :D

[miloblithe]

Wow. This thread deteriorated.

[IJ Reilly]

We can be pretty sure this is not the last we'll see or hear from Rove. Either the party or a candidate will want him next year as a political strategist. Personally, I think he's political poison now, but he's too ensconced in the GOP hierarchy to be sent out to pasture, even if that's where he really belongs.

[Peace]

Wow. This thread deteriorated.


Sure has.Just like the politics in D.C.

[leekohler]

Wow. This thread deteriorated.

We're discussing trash. I guess that's what happens. ;)

[imac/cheese]

Wishing death and dismemberment upon a fellow human being does not seem consistent with the compassionate, fellow-man loving comments that I am so often used to seeing from the majority of the above posters. It is rather disappointing to see such hatred towards another person despite his political views and past deceptions.

[leekohler]

Wishing death and dismemberment upon a fellow human being does not seem consistent with the compassionate, fellow-man loving comments that I am so often used to seeing from the majority of the above posters. It is rather disappointing to see such hatred towards another person despite his political views and past deceptions.

It was rather disappointing to be on the receiving end of Karl Rove's actions. I've seen no mention of regret or apology from him either. This goes further than simply disagreeing with Rove's beliefs. His actions have caused an amazing amount of damage to this country. We should be prosecuting him.

[yg17]

Wishing death and dismemberment upon a fellow human being does not seem consistent with the compassionate, fellow-man loving comments that I am so often used to seeing from the majority of the above posters. It is rather disappointing to see such hatred towards another person despite his political views and past deceptions.

Rove isn't a man. He's the spawn of satan.

[OutThere]

Maybe I'm wrong, but if Rove resigns will he not be waiving his right to hide behind the veil of executive privilege? I mean, just 2 weeks ago Bush rejected a subpoena for Rove under the pretense of executive privilege, so where will Rove hide when he's no longer a part of the executive branch?

[Peace]

He'll take the 5th. And if that doesn't work he'll get pardoned.

[yg17]

He'll take the 5th. And if that doesn't work he'll get pardoned.


Couldn't the Dems (assuming they win in 08) put off any prosecution of him until January 09 to avoid a pardon?

[imac/cheese]

It was rather disappointing to be on the receiving end of Karl Rove's actions. I've seen no mention of regret or apology from him either. This goes further than simply disagreeing with Rove's beliefs. His actions have caused an amazing amount of damage to this country. We should be prosecuting him.

That is a great excuse for wishing death upon him. I am by no means a Rove supporter but wishing death on anyone is a bit extreme.

Unless of course he really is the spawn of satan, but in that case I really doubt that jumping off a bridge or being shot by Cheney would hurt him much.

[leekohler]

That is a great excuse for wishing death upon him. I am by no means a Rove supporter but wishing death on anyone is a bit extreme.

Unless of course he really is the spawn of satan, but in that case I really doubt that jumping off a bridge or being shot by Cheney would hurt him much.

I'm sorry- I can be dishonest if you like. I can't stand the guy and what he did. I'm certainly not going to wish him good luck in all he does.

[Swarmlord]

Couldn't the Dems (assuming they win in 08) put off any prosecution of him until January 09 to avoid a pardon?

The executive privilege would apply to the entire time he advised the President, so unless you think they can prosecute him for being a civilian, I don't know where you think they can go with that.

[Swarmlord]

Rove isn't a man. He's the spawn of satan.

Link?

Interesting how there's a certain subculture here that really loathe successful people. You only wish that the Dems had a clone of him rather than depending on Dizzy Dean and others for strategery.

[Sdashiki]

Link?

82304

Is proof enough. Even pop-culture visualizes him as an evil object.

Interesting how there's a certain subculture here that really loathe successful people.

Its called being a real American. Making sure those in power don't abuse it.


Those of us who can stand up and answer the question of "what (party) are you?":

with:

"Im an American, thanks for asking."


Bi-Partisanship by nature creates conflict, if you dont like it, dont comment because to think political threads dont have some anger to them, is only wishful thinking.

[OutThere]

You only wish that the Dems had a clone of him rather than depending on Dizzy Dean and others for strategery.

I wouldn't want a lying, cheating filthy slimeball like Rove to have anything to do with Dem. party strategy. Yes, we need a good planner, no, Rove's clone wouldn't fit the bill.

[Peace]

I wouldn't want a lying, cheating filthy slimeball like Rove to have anything to do with Dem. party strategy. Yes, we need a good planner, no, Rove's clone wouldn't fit the bill.

I don't know.It seems like the Dems are gutless people as of late.

[Sun Baked]

I don't know.It seems like the Dems are gutless people as of late.

Don't worry, they will become paper tigers quite soon when they shred the current printing on the IRS tax charts. ;)

Rove should have left long ago though. Probably too little, too late to do anything now.

[leekohler]

Link?

Interesting how there's a certain subculture here that really loathe successful people. You only wish that the Dems had a clone of him rather than depending on Dizzy Dean and others for strategery.

I don't know about others here, but I certainly don't wish for a democratic version of Karl Rove. We need to bring this country back together, not divide it even further.

[ghall]

Link?


http://signalhillinstituteoftechnology.com/_done_0713rove.jpg

[yg17]

Link?

Interesting how there's a certain subculture here that really loathe successful people. You only wish that the Dems had a clone of him rather than depending on Dizzy Dean and others for strategery.


Successful != good.

Hitler, Mussolini, Hussein and Stalin were successful. Doesn't mean they're good people or deserve one bit of respect.


(and no, before someone jumps on me, I'm not comparing Rove to Hitler.)

[Mike Teezie]

If he's looking to help a GOP candidate for the upcoming elections, Guliani would probably be the best fit. As we know, MC Rove thrives with sociopaths.

[IJ Reilly]

Wishing death and dismemberment upon a fellow human being does not seem consistent with the compassionate, fellow-man loving comments that I am so often used to seeing from the majority of the above posters. It is rather disappointing to see such hatred towards another person despite his political views and past deceptions.

If only so you don't feel alone, I agree with you. Wishing pain or harm on your political opponents, no matter how much you dislike or disagree with them, is not compassionate anything. If you ever find yourself thinking that way, then I suggest that some soul-searching is in order.

[leekohler]

If only so you don't feel alone, I agree with you. Wishing pain or harm on your political opponents, no matter how much you dislike or disagree with them, is not compassionate anything. If you ever find yourself thinking that way, then I suggest that some soul-searching is in order.

I don't feel particularly all that bad about ill will I have toward Rove. I've searched my soul and I have to tell you- it's hard for me to have nice feelings for a person who did what he did. Again- this has nothing to do with his beliefs, but his actions- and this man has done a lot to harm many people.

[Thomas Veil]

We can be pretty sure this is not the last we'll see or hear from Rove. Either the party or a candidate will want him next year as a political strategist. Personally, I think he's political poison now, but he's too ensconced in the GOP hierarchy to be sent out to pasture, even if that's where he really belongs.I'll keep my opinions to myself on whether I wish something very painful upon Karl Rove, but I do agree with you that somebody, somewhere, will pick him as an advisor again.

In fact, I'm so suspicious of the sonofabitch that my first thought upon hearing he's resigning is...why now? Why not after the 2006 election? And the only reason that makes sense to me is, either some Republican candidate wants him as his strategist, or the Republican party is so scared of losing the 2008 election that they want him to be in charge of it.

http://signalhillinstituteoftechnology.com/_done_0713rove.jpgNow that his hair is thinning it's also possible to see the "666" inscribed in his dome.

[IJ Reilly]

I don't feel particularly all that bad about ill will I have toward Rove. I've searched my soul and I have to tell you- it's hard for me to have nice feelings for a person who did what he did. Again- this has nothing to do with his beliefs, but his actions- and this man has done a lot to harm many people.

I don't have any nice feelings towards him either. He might be a poor example of humanity, but that doesn't excuse anyone being another poor one in answer. We went through the same discussion when Tony Snow announced that his cancer had returned. Some of the comments here were along the lines of "it serves him right."

Nobody should ever take a second of joy from anyone else's suffering, for reasons I think are too obvious to state. It's a rule you either live by or you don't.

[leekohler]

I don't have any nice feelings towards him either. He might be a poor example of humanity, but that doesn't excuse anyone being another poor one in answer. We went through the same discussion when Tony Snow announced that his cancer had returned. Some of the comments here were along the lines of "it serves him right."

Nobody should ever take a second of joy from anyone else's suffering, for reasons I think are too obvious to state. It's a rule you either live by or you don't.

Well...I also think there's a world of difference between him and Tony Snow. I also don't see how Rove is suffering in any way.

[mactastic]

Good to see that Rove's exit from the WH will not dampen Democratic investigations into matters he was involved in.

And yeah... the out-and-out hatred being displayed here is a little beyond the pale.

[yg17]

the audience at the Daily Show cheering when they played the clip of Rove resigning is farking hillarious :D

[hulugu]

Interesting how there's a certain subculture here that really loathe successful people. You only wish that the Dems had a clone of him rather than depending on Dizzy Dean and others for strategery.

:rolleyes:

What color is the sky on your world?

[solvs]

perhaps he's already identified a GOP presidential candidate for whom he'll work.
Now he'll be free to advise not only the President, but also get more involved in the strategery leading up to the election.
Everyone in the GOP that lined up with Bush is running for their lives
Personally, I think he's political poison now, but he's too ensconced in the GOP hierarchy to be sent out to pasture, even if that's where he really belongs.
With the record Rove's running on, despite the reputation, I doubt anyone would want him right now. Good luck to them if they do though. It doesn't seem to be working anymore. See 2006.

I do agree that I wouldn't want the Dems to win that way with that type of adviser either, because then they'd be no better than the reasons why we hate the neocons.

or maybe he's hoping to lie low so the dems will forget to subpeona him.
He realizes that he's much more powerful when he doesn't have to worry about Reid, Schumer and Leahey trying to supoena him as the advisor to the President.
Maybe I'm wrong, but if Rove resigns will he not be waiving his right to hide behind the veil of executive privilege? I mean, just 2 weeks ago Bush rejected a subpoena for Rove under the pretense of executive privilege, so where will Rove hide when he's no longer a part of the executive branch?
He'll still have executive privilege (or at least, Bush will still be calling for it), but that doesn't spare him from subpoena. He still has to show up if they call for him, which they might just grow the balls to do (they've been saying it's still on, but we'll see), or he could still be held in contempt of Congress. Sure, he could plead the 5th, but that would kinda prove there was something he's still hiding. Especially if they offer immunity, like they did with one of his protégés, who still refused to talk.

Wouldn't surprise me if they Dems did nothing but make a big show, but what really surprises me is that some of you still believe he's done nothing wrong. :rolleyes:

I also don't believe in wishing harm on anyone. Even him. I don't wish him well, but I won't wish him harm. I don't want to lower myself to his level. Not that I blame some of you for hating him, especially considering the people he inflamed with his divisive and destructive politics who still support him.

Such as:

Interesting how there's a certain subculture here that really loathe successful people.
That's not why we don't like him and you damn well know it.

[IJ Reilly]

With the record Rove's running on, despite the reputation, I doubt anyone would want him right now. Good luck to them if they do though. It doesn't seem to be working anymore. See 2006.

He's still admired by many within the party, despite his myopic predictions for the outcome of the 2006 election. I expect he'll be regarded as a valuable free agent in the 2008 election market. I'd be very surprised if he didn't at least consult for one of the presidential campaigns.

[mactastic]

I think he's gonna take a plum position at the upcoming Bush Library. Gives him a chance to try and revise history.

[Swarmlord]

I think he's gonna take a plum position at the upcoming Bush Library. Gives him a chance to try and revise history.

Hopefully he'll live up to his nickname and cultivate some nice turd blossoms on the leading candidates leading up to the 2008 election. He's the gift that keeps giving. :)

[mactastic]

Hopefully he'll live up to his nickname and cultivate some nice turd blossoms on the leading candidates leading up to the 2008 election. He's the gift that keeps giving. :)
Ah but which candidate is worth of the turd blossom's touch? Giuliani's already got Roger Ailes in his back pocket.

On a side note, it's rather irksome to hear Rove described as any kind of architect.

[yg17]

I think he's gonna take a plum position at the upcoming Bush Library. Gives him a chance to try and revise history.

I'm guessing once that's built, it will be the first time he's ever actually set foot in a library? :D

[mactastic]

I'm guessing once that's built, it will be the first time he's ever actually set foot in a library? :D
Why? Do you think Rove is stupid? Uneducated? Ignorant?

[leekohler]

Why? Do you think Rove is stupid? Uneducated? Ignorant?

I'll go for: stupid, selfish, ignorant and cruel.

[mactastic]

I'll go for: stupid, selfish, ignorant and cruel.
He's certainly not stupid or ignorant. He may be a lot of other things, but he's no dummy.

[Peace]

He's certainly not stupid or ignorant. He may be a lot of other things, but he's no dummy.

I predict those words will be spoken at some point in time to a judge presiding over his trial.

[leekohler]

He's certainly not stupid or ignorant. He may be a lot of other things, but he's no dummy.

I guess it depends to what you're referring. When it comes to what's good for the country, I'd say "stupid" and "ignorant" are quite applicable. When it comes to what's good for Karl, sure- I guess he'd be rather intelligent.

[skunk]

I'll go for: stupid, selfish, ignorant and cruel.You're confusing "librarian" and "libertarian".

[leekohler]

You're confusing "librarian" and "libertarian".

Oh now, skunk! :) Calm down your spraying instinct! :D

[yg17]

Why? Do you think Rove is stupid? Uneducated? Ignorant?

lol, no, I meant Bush. I didn't know he was building a library, I find it rather ironic ;)

[mactastic]

lol, no, I meant Bush. I didn't know he was building a library, I find it rather ironic ;)
Ah I see. You do know Bush's wife is a librarian, right?

[yg17]

Ah I see. You do know Bush's wife is a librarian, right?

Well she needs to teach her husband a thing or two about intelligence then :D

[FrankBlack]

Who said anything about giving him a bungee cord?

Very Good! :D

Seriously though, I agree with what some others have already mentioned. He's not really going anywhere. He'll continue to do what he does, he'll just do it from the shadows, where I suspect a lot of stuff is really done.

Am I a conspiracy nut? Oh come on now, why would I be such a thing? :eek: Nope, nothing wrong here.

[FFTT]

To the bringer of spin and double speak.

Who's cutting and running now?

[solvs]

He's the gift that keeps giving.
You must not be paying attention, because it ain't giving any more.

But you also think we hate him because he's successful, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

[Swarmlord]

You must not be paying attention, because it ain't giving any more.

But you also think we hate him because he's successful, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

I think that his ability to contribute to the GOP for the upcoming election increases exponentially by leaving his current position while not worrying about Reid or Leahy.

[leekohler]

He's the gift that keeps giving. :)

More like the a**hole that keeps shi**ing. :)

[IJ Reilly]

Oy. The GOP opposition has to learn to get over Karl Rove. Is he the worst of his breed? Yeah, maybe. Does thinking up terrible things to say about him win elections? No, I don't think it does.

[leekohler]

Oy. The GOP opposition has to learn to get over Karl Rove. Is he the worst of his breed? Yeah, maybe. Does thinking up terrible things to say about him win elections? No, I don't think it does.

I get carried away sometimes. :) He's such an easy target.

[mactastic]

I actually would like to thank Karl Rove. He's done more to destroy the GOP brand than anyone else with the possible exception of The Big Dick himself.

Rove's strategies have guaranteed a GOP minority into the foreseeable future. Kind of the opposite of what he intended, but he's far from the only loyal Bushie with the reverse Midas touch...

[solvs]

I think that his ability to contribute to the GOP for the upcoming election increases exponentially by leaving his current position while not worrying about Reid or Leahy.
Again, what makes you think he's off the hook? He isn't. Leahy is still investigating. Even if it doesn't go anywhere, which it probably won't because the Dems are still spineless, they still at least look like they're doing something against a very unpopular president and his advisers. Who we all know did some very unethical, if not illegal, things.

Rove's strategies have guaranteed a GOP minority into the foreseeable future. Kind of the opposite of what he intended
He only cared about getting Bush elected. And he did. Twice.

I'm surprised the rest of them still want anything to do with him after the lashing they took in '06, and at this rate will continue to in '08. But then, besides the somewhat kind words as he parted, there haven't really been a lot of Repubs saying much. I'm still thinking he's poison, because they seem to be avoiding him as much as they are Bush. Especially those up for reelection.

Er, those who aren't retiring that is (cough* Hastert *cough).

[solvs]

Something I just discovered today, apparently Rove's adoptive Father was gay (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-moore/the-closets-of-karl-and-k_b_28669.html). Yet he spent all this time leading a campaign that demonized gays and gay adoption. Kinda like Cheney's Daughter, it's not a big deal in and of itself, but combined with their platform, seems a little hypocritical to me.

That, and apparently he himself isn't a Christian, he considers himself secular... but based on his brand of "Christianity" anyone could have told you that.

[IJ Reilly]

I don't know about hypocrisy. People in his line of work don't tend to actually believe in anything.