So ..... when will the next iMac upgrade be ??

[Perfectionist]

I get the impression the new range was kinda rushed through ..... new keyboard but still the same plastic mouse and remote ..... WTF ?! :eek:

Does Apple have an official policy to ignore certain sections of the market like gamers and TV watchers ??!! :rolleyes:

Will there ever be an iMac with a kick ass Graphics Card and built in TV card ?? :(:confused::mad:

[Eidorian]

MWSF 2008 looks good.

[togermano]

I hope its another year since i just bought the new imac :P

[kwood]

MWSF 2008 looks good.

I second that motion. And you will probably only see processor and Hard drive upgrades.

[66217]

They don't ignore gamers, they just don't see that the best way to sell computers.
They sell the cool factor, they sell the software and they sell the easiness of use.

PCs would always be better for games, since you can customize your PC the way you want it to be.
The iMac, MBP and Mac Pro are able to run most games at decent graphics, and the MB and Mac Mini are able to run many games also, not the new ones that need a lot of power, but they do play many basic games.

[rds]

I get the impression the new range was kinda rushed through ..... new keyboard but still the same plastic mouse and remote ..... WTF ?! :eek:

Does Apple have an official policy to ignore certain sections of the market like gamers and TV watchers ??!! :rolleyes:

Will there ever be an iMac with a kick ass Graphics Card and built in TV card ?? :(:confused::mad:

A "kick ass" graphics card would mean turning the iMac into an iBaseUnit, alternatively there's the Mac Pro (the age of it's options are beyond this thread) or if you think that Mac Pros are too expensive, there is always the PC variety... we can't have it all, can we?

They do not need to put a TV card in an iMac, there are many great third party products you could buy. Unless suddenly the vast majority of users wanted to watch TV on their mac, why should they bother adapting their products for a minority?

[flopticalcube]

A "kick ass" graphics card would mean turning the iMac into an iBaseUnit, alternatively there's the Mac Pro (the age of it's options are beyond this thread) or if you think that Mac Pros are too expensive, there is always the PC variety... we can't have it all, can we?

They do not need to put a TV card in an iMac, there are many great third party products you could buy. Unless suddenly the vast majority of users wanted to watch TV on their mac, why should they bother adapting their products for a minority?

It would also require a customised iMac for just about every region of the world.

[CaptainWOW]

I get the impression the new range was kinda rushed through ..... new keyboard but still the same plastic mouse and remote ..... WTF ?! :eek:

I don't think they were rushed, keeping the same mouse and remote makes sense. People buy mice all the time - either to replace a broken one or they want a new one (ie. wireless). Apple gets to still satisfy that market without having to stock both a new and old style.

The above is even more true with the remote. Apple ships the remote with all of it's computers (excluding the Mac Pro), the :apple:TV and as a remote for iPod docks and such. With a market that big it makes sense they would want to keep one SKU.

Of course, the same could be said about the keyboard but that is why Apple will eventually update the remote and mouse, just not yet.

Does Apple have an official policy to ignore certain sections of the market like gamers and TV watchers ??!! :rolleyes:

Actually, they kind of do. Steve Jobs has said that he doesn't think people use their computer to watch TV. :rolleyes: The really reason is if they had a Tuner card option it would cut into their sales of iTunes TV shows. They would lose what little profits they make.

Will there ever be an iMac with a kick ass Graphics Card and built in TV card ?? :(:confused::mad:

There is always the chance Apple will offer a TV Tuner and better Graphics Card in an update. I don't think it will be in the next update though. Like others have said, that will probably be a marginal upgrade of HD space/RAM and processor speed.

[Hibbsy]

I get the impression the new range was kinda rushed through ..... new keyboard but still the same plastic mouse and remote ..... WTF ?! :eek:

Does Apple have an official policy to ignore certain sections of the market like gamers and TV watchers ??!! :rolleyes:

Will there ever be an iMac with a kick ass Graphics Card and built in TV card ?? :(:confused::mad:

Feb or March 2008, processor jump, maybe better graphics cards, and blueray drives . . . sooner or later they need to do this i suspect.

I kinda agree on the rushed through part regarding the mouse / remote. The keyboard is great but . . . the white mouse, white cables and ipod / dock look out of place. I think we can safely assume that more alu look accessories will be coming our way and we will all shell out for them ;)

I actually think apple has taken 1 big step towards killing the notion that a mac is not for games. But they are not trying to win over hard core gamers overnight. This is a smaller percentage of the market than you may think and one of the hardest for apple to attack easily with a desktop that uses mobile hardware which is not user swappable.

I think what they want is to remove the objection for the next group of mac users who would consider a mac if they could do some casual gaming.

So far the strategy of making a great standalone product (ipod) which attracts users to their computer line has worked very well for them. They are extending this thinking with Safari for windows but mainly with the iphone leading people to the imac. Provided their mobile operator partners don't let them down then I think this will work well for them.

Live TV is still a missing piece in the puzzle, apple TV only really makes sense in the US market right now. I suspect apple have something more up their sleeves here I remember at the launch of apple TV thinking that Steve wanted to say more about apples vision here but held back.

Expect apple TV to get developed and not a TV card for the imac IMO. Considering that more live content is being offered on the internet and also that TV cards often deliver a poor user experience. If apple were to offer a TV card built into an imac it would need to be good enough to sit alongside photos and movies on the front row menu and right now I can't see it.

[basherhp2112]

I get the impression the new range was kinda rushed through ..... new keyboard but still the same plastic mouse and remote ..... WTF ?! :eek:

Does Apple have an official policy to ignore certain sections of the market like gamers and TV watchers ??!! :rolleyes:

Will there ever be an iMac with a kick ass Graphics Card and built in TV card ?? :(:confused::mad:

Seeing that I just received my iMac, I hope not too soon.

I am guessing the next iMac will come out in about 345 days.

Just a guess.

As long as my system can run Leopard when it releases I am a happy guy.

In regards to a "TV Card", all I can say is check the products from Legato.

I have heard that EyeTV Hybrid works well...

Peace

[Sun Baked]

Does Apple have an official policy to ignore certain sections of the market like gamers and TV watchers ??!! :rolleyes:

I think the snack food industry has you covered.

[jesteraver]

I would like an HD tv tuner in a an iMac, I wonder how much it would cost though.

[Sun Baked]

In regards to a "TV Card", all I can say is check the products from Legato.

I have heard that EyeTV Hybrid works well...

Peace

You might find www.elgato.com works a little better, the other spelling is a porn site. ;)

OK, not quite unless you buy the calendar.

[Sped]

MWSF 2008 looks good.

I doubt there will be a mobile Penryn by then which makes me think MWSF 08 is unlikely for new iMacs.

[Perfectionist]

They do not need to put a TV card in an iMac, there are many great third party products you could buy.But that goes against the "All-In-One" philosophy ..... :(

Unless suddenly the vast majority of users wanted to watch TV on their mac, why should they bother adapting their products for a minority?Maybe only a minority desperately want TV ..... but the majority would definitely find it a useful feature ..... why deliberately leave out a useful feature which may garner a few more sales ??

[Perfectionist]

I don't think they were rushed, keeping the same mouse and remote makes sense.Only if they want to deplete their old stock ..... eventually they will update the mouse and remote, it just seems they couldn't be bothered to do it right now .....

Actually, they kind of do. Steve Jobs has said that he doesn't think people use their computer to watch TV. :rolleyes: The really reason is if they had a Tuner card option it would cut into their sales of iTunes TV shows. They would lose what little profits they make.Sounds about right :mad:

There is always the chance Apple will offer a TV Tuner and better Graphics Card in an update. Hallelujah !! :D

I don't think it will be in the next update though.God Damn It !! :(

[rds]

But that goes against the "All-In-One" philosophy ..... :(

http://www.wengerna.com/browse/product.jsp?prod_id=1260&cat_id=1&cat_name=Knives&sub_cat_id=23

I'll leave you to ponder what I'm getting at.

Have you seen the size of some of these TV options available? - http://www.elgato.com/index.php?file=products_eyetvhybridna (other brands are available)

Maybe only a minority desperately want TV ..... but the majority would definitely find it a useful feature ..... why deliberately leave out a useful feature which may garner a few more sales ??

If I wanted it that much, I'd hope that the customer would buy one of the many great third party products available that will probably do much more, rather than add to the cost of the machine (in many ways, for both Apple and the customer) for a feature wanted by a minority.

That's not even considering the software side of things, that is a topic in itself.

[skubish]

Does Apple have an official policy to ignore certain sections of the market like gamers and TV watchers ??!! :rolleyes:


Yes because it is a small market that requires user swappable parts.
Apple only needs to show that most games are playable (which they are).
Case closed. If you need to run the latest game at 75fps, buy a PC.

[Perfectionist]

http://www.wengerna.com/browse/product.jsp?prod_id=1260&cat_id=1&cat_name=Knives&sub_cat_id=23

I'll leave you to ponder what I'm getting at.That the iMac should have everything from a coffee machine to a hooker ?? !! :confused::D

No thanks, I just want an iMac with a decent Graphics card and built-in TV card ..... :rolleyes:

Have you seen the size of some of these TV options available? - http://www.elgato.com/index.php?file=products_eyetvhybridna (other brands are available)Precisely why they could be so easily integrated in to an iMac .....

If I wanted it that much, I'd hope that the customer would buy one of the many great third party products available that will probably do much more, rather than add to the cost of the machine (in many ways, for both Apple and the customer) for a feature wanted by a minority.True, which is why Apple should make it a Customisable Option for those that do want it .....

That's not even considering the software side of things, that is a topic in itself.So Apple develops (or buys) a little bit of extra software that would take up a few MB of the Hard Disk ..... what's the big deal ??

[Perfectionist]

Yes because it is a small market that requires user swappable parts.Nope, it just needs a decent Graphics card :rolleyes:

If you need to run the latest game at 75fps, buy a PC.Which is exactly what 95% of people do !! :rolleyes: What a waste !!! ;)

[flopticalcube]

Nope, it just needs a decent Graphics card :rolleyes:


As has been mentioned on other threads, no high-end cards can fit in the tight casing of the iMac. I doubt Apple will change the design to fit such a small group of people who probably wouldn't buy the iMac anyways (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=anyways).

[marcg007]

I hate to sound like a language curmudgen but there is no such word as "anyways". :D Can we please use the English language they way it is supposed to be used?:D

Now, I think that the likelihood of there ever being a built-in TV tuner on the iMac is quite low unless Apple decides to build :apple:TV into their machines. They had a TV tuner once upon a time in the Centris series computers I think and it did not do very well at all. I also personally don't see Apple building iMac bigger than 24 inches which is already pushing the boundries size wise of the point of the all in one computer. I thought the point of an all in one computer was to make it easier for people with space constraints to have a computer that did not take up an entire desk. Some might respond to this by saying that if they have size constraints, they should get a laptop. However, I like having a laptop for travel and a desktop for working at home. For example, I'm writing this on my 12 inch Powerbook while sitting at my desk. The reason I'm writing on my laptop is because I am waiting for the arrival of my new iMac which is a replacement for a great, hardworking Quicksilver G4 that I have used for the past 5 years. I will miss the expandability of the G4 but will love the fact that my computer will not take up so much of my desk. When I need to work on actual paper, I'll be able to just move the iMac out of the way and have desk space available to write instead of having to use my kitchen table.
I realize I have just drifted completely off topic. Sorry.:o
Mostly back on topic - When you need or want a new computer is when you should get it unless you know for sure that something is coming within a short period of time. I waited to order my new iMac first because I knew something was coming before the end of the summer and then I waited a few extra days because of tax free weekend in MA. If the iMac had been announced at WWDC in June when everyone first thought it would be announced, I would have purchased at that point. If you keep waiting for the next great thing that is just around the corner, you will never get anything and you will get more frustrated with what you currently have.
Ok, I'll be quiet now.:p:D:cool:

[Hibbsy]

Nope, it just needs a decent Graphics card :rolleyes:

Which is exactly what 95% of people do !! :rolleyes: What a waste !!! ;)

er no actually 95% of computer owners are not hard core gamers.

[flopticalcube]

I hate to sound like a language curmudgen but there is no such word as "anyways". :D Can we please use the English language they way it is supposed to be used?:D

Now, I think that the likelihood of there ever being a built-in TV tuner on the iMac is quite low unless Apple decides to build :apple:TV into their machines. They had a TV tuner once upon a time in the Centris series computers I think and it did not do very well at all. I also personally don't see Apple building iMac bigger than 24 inches which is already pushing the boundries size wise of the point of the all in one computer. I thought the point of an all in one computer was to make it easier for people with space constraints to have a computer that did not take up an entire desk. Some might respond to this by saying that if they have size constraints, they should get a laptop. However, I like having a laptop for travel and a desktop for working at home. For example, I'm writing this on my 12 inch Powerbook while sitting at my desk. The reason I'm writing on my laptop is because I am waiting for the arrival of my new iMac which is a replacement for a great, hardworking Quicksilver G4 that I have used for the past 5 years. I will miss the expandability of the G4 but will love the fact that my computer will not take up so much of my desk. When I need to work on actual paper, I'll be able to just move the iMac out of the way and have desk space available to write instead of having to use my kitchen table.
I realize I have just drifted completely off topic. Sorry.:o
Mostly back on topic - When you need or want a new computer is when you should get it unless you know for sure that something is coming within a short period of time. I waited to order my new iMac first because I knew something was coming before the end of the summer and then I waited a few extra days because of tax free weekend in MA. If the iMac had been announced at WWDC in June when everyone first thought it would be announced, I would have purchased at that point. If you keep waiting for the next great thing that is just around the corner, you will never get anything and you will get more frustrated with what you currently have.
Ok, I'll be quiet now.:p:D:cool:

Your grammar and spelling need improvement. Just thought I would point that out. ;)

[synth3tik]

Will there ever be an iMac with a kick ass Graphics Card and built in TV card ?? :(:confused::mad:

simply put, No

[j26]

You might find www.elgato.com works a little better, the other spelling is a porn site. ;)


Is it??

Dum de dum......








No it's not - you lied :mad:

[Wayfarer]

I'll probably wait until rev 2 before I consider buying a new iMac...

[Perfectionist]

er no actually 95% of computer owners are not hard core gamers.True only about 50% use their computers for games ..... :rolleyes:

[macenforcer]

Hey, lets start an iMac waiters club. I'm in. You can all be my friends until then. :rolleyes:

[Eidorian]

Hey, lets start an iMac waiters club. I'm in. You can all be my friends until then. :rolleyes:What made you decide to wait for the next iMac then?

[macenforcer]

What made you decide to wait for the next iMac then?

Screens suck. Not thin enough.

[Eidorian]

Screens suck. Not thin enough.I'll agree with the screens, the size not so much. Apple would benefit from a matte option in the iMac right now.

[flopticalcube]

True only about 50% use their computers for games ..... :rolleyes:
Probably right and maybe 5% of them give a rat's *ss about getting 100fps in Oblivion with 8XAA and 16XAF @ 1920X1200.

[aliquis-]

I get the impression the new range was kinda rushed through ..... new keyboard but still the same plastic mouse and remote ..... WTF ?! :eek:

Does Apple have an official policy to ignore certain sections of the market like gamers and TV watchers ??!! :rolleyes:

Will there ever be an iMac with a kick ass Graphics Card and built in TV card ?? :(:confused::mad:No, and I doubt we'll see a cheaper towermodell either :(.

Would be awesome with a "mac gamer" variant of the mini, with better cooling and a free pci-expresslot which took bios-gfxcards.

But I guess the hacks will have all the fun.

[Perfectionist]

Probably right and maybe 5% of them give a rat's *ss about getting 100fps in Oblivion with 8XAA and 16XAF @ 1920X1200.True ..... but most don't want Quad 8800's ..... just one would be fine :rolleyes:

[Nick12945]

Screens suck. Not thin enough.

How are they not thin enough??? I don't see how they can get much thinner.

[daneoni]

Sigh....some of you here are just a bunch of moaners. Funny thing is the next revision you're all waiting for STILL WON"T have an SLI Graphics card, 56" LCD, 60GB of RAM or a 3TB RAID nor will it make you breakfast and give your car an oil check.

[Nick12945]

Sigh....some of you here are just a bunch of moaners. Funny thing is the next revision you're all waiting for STILL WON"T have an SLI Graphics cards, 56" LCD, 60GB RAM or 3TB RAID nor will it make you breakfast and give your car an oil check.

So true, but oil check would be nice:p. You ppl will just keep on being dissapointed for years to come.

[Perfectionist]

Sigh....some of you here are just a bunch of moaners. Funny thing is the next revision you're all waiting for STILL WON"T have an SLI Graphics card, 56" LCD, 60GB of RAM or a 3TB RAID nor will it make you breakfast and give your car an oil check.Sigh .... just a better Graphics Card .... is it really asking too much .... I guess it is !! :D:rolleyes:

[Perfectionist]

You ppl will just keep on being dissapointed for years to come.So true .... and Apple will keep on missing out on our $$$'s for years to come :rolleyes:;)

[kwfl]

Hey, lets start an iMac waiters club. I'm in. You can all be my friends until then. :rolleyes:


ll buy one june 208 as i have my iMac almost new.
bought it 9 months ago
2.16GHz core 2 duo
2GB RAM
256MB graphics
500GB HDD

i will buy a macbook pro the day leopard is in. ;)

[Hibbsy]

True only about 50% use their computers for games ..... :rolleyes:

agree and at least 1/2 of them will be happy with the gaming ability of the new imac.

Hard core gamers will stay clear due to lack of titles, lack of user swappable parts and the fact that imac uses mobile hardware in the main.

Apple will be very happy with having 75% of all computer buyers as their addressable market. :)

There must be a thread running on a PC forum somewhere on the net about why PCs aren't perfect yet for graphic designers ;)

[daneoni]

So true .... and Apple will keep on missing out on our $$$'s for years to come :rolleyes:;)

Yeah....that'll make the company fold....teach them a lesson

[rds]

"Perfectionist" or "Delusionist"?

[Perfectionist]

agree and at least 1/2 of them will be happy with the gaming ability of the new imac.If this was true then it would reflect in sales ..... which it doesn't !! :rolleyes: Apple is a niche player despite having the far better computer !! :mad:

Hard core gamers will stay clear due to lack of titles, lack of user swappable parts and the fact that imac uses mobile hardware in the main.Hardcore gamers will stay clear of anything less than a Cray !! :D The Mass Market for gaming would be satisfied with simply an Option to upgrade the Graphics card :rolleyes:

Apple will be very happy with having 75% of all computer buyers as their addressable market. :) Now if Apple put a decent Graphics card in the iMac they might actually SELL to 75% of the market instead of errrr 5% ?? ;)

There must be a thread running on a PC forum somewhere on the net about why PCs aren't perfect yet for graphic designers ;)Very True ..... but the iMac's crappy gaming ability is making people who would love an Apple ..... go buy a crappy Dell ..... :rolleyes:

The fact that Apple switched over to Intel and so made Windows far easier to run ..... was a great move by Apple and pushed up sales with marketing along the lines of "why buy 2 computers" and "more reasons to buy Mac" ..... surely making an iMac a decent gaming PC would be the same !! :rolleyes:

[Perfectionist]

Yeah....that'll make the company fold....teach them a lessonYeah .... I'm sure that having only a tiny percentage of the market is the best they can do ....

[Perfectionist]

"Perfectionist" or "Delusionist"?Actually "Babe Magnet" is more accurate :D

[daneoni]

Yeah .... I'm sure that having only a tiny percentage of the market is the best they can do ....

Going after the gaming market is obviously not a priority and frankly i cant blame them, the market isn't that large so for a company with finite resources it wont be a priority.

There are simply bigger fish to fry. The card in the iMac is perfect for its form factor. Quiet, low power consuming and decent power....not high end power which the iMac essentially.

If your a gamer or rely on Motion or something look elsewhere. It's that simple. The iMac won't be a gaming machine anytime soon.....people should realise that by now.

[shakastange]

Going after the gaming market is obviously not a priority and frankly i cant blame them, the market isn't that large so for a company with finite resources it wont be a priority.

There are simply bigger fish to fry. The card in the iMac is perfect for its form factor. Quiet, low power consuming and decent power....not high end power which the iMac essentially.

If your a gamer or rely on Motion or something look elsewhere. It's that simple. The iMac won't be a gaming machine anytime soon.....people should realise that by now.

You cannot be more wrong my friend. The gaming industry recently surpassed the movie industry in sales. I really wouldn't call that a small market.

[flopticalcube]

You cannot be more wrong my friend. The gaming industry recently surpassed the movie industry in sales. I really wouldn't call that a small market.

What part is computer and what part is console? At any rate the iMacs graphics card is midrange and will suit most gamers just fine. Very few will need the power of Crossfire XTX or Ultra SLI cards although it would be nice if Apple offered a BTO of the 8700m GT (I hear the 8800m is delayed, again).

[MacNut]

I get the impression the new range was kinda rushed through ..... new keyboard but still the same plastic mouse and remote ..... WTF ?! :eek:

Does Apple have an official policy to ignore certain sections of the market like gamers and TV watchers ??!! :rolleyes:

Will there ever be an iMac with a kick ass Graphics Card and built in TV card ?? :(:confused::mad:It is called the Mac Pro.:rolleyes: If you want more power you have to pay for it and they are not going to make a super powerful iMac for gamers when you can buy a Mac Pro and expand the thing yourself.

[daneoni]

You cannot be more wrong my friend. The gaming industry recently surpassed the movie industry in sales. I really wouldn't call that a small market.


What part is computer and what part is console?

Good question cos all the gamers i know are all console gamers. In fact, i don't think i know ANY PC gamers. Some would argue i get out more.......i'd say there are more console gamers than PC gamers.....but thats just me

[Perfectionist]

Going after the gaming market is obviously not a priority and frankly i cant blame them, the market isn't that large so for a company with finite resources it wont be a priority.You are confusing the tiny number of Hardcore gamers with the HUGE number of casual gamers ..... Hardcore dudes need a Water Cooled Quad Powered Cray ..... Casual gamers just want a single high spec ATI/Nvidia card :rolleyes:

The iMac won't be a gaming machine anytime soon.....people should realise that by now.True ..... 5% of the market is what Apple will be stuck with until they decide to make a change !! ;)

[Perfectionist]

It is called the Mac Pro.:rolleyes: If you want more power you have to pay for it and they are not going to make a super powerful iMac for gamers when you can buy a Mac Pro and expand the thing yourself.In which case forget about the elegance of the All In One Apple design and just buy a frikkin Dell XPS !! :rolleyes:

[Perfectionist]

What part is computer and what part is console? At any rate the iMacs graphics card is midrange and will suit most gamers just fine.Sure, for about 6 months !! :rolleyes:

although it would be nice if Apple offered a BTO of the 8700m GTThat is precisely what I'm saying dude !! Jeeeeez !! :D

[EricG07]

You are confusing the tiny number of Hardcore gamers with the HUGE number of casual gamers ..... Hardcore dudes need a Water Cooled Quad Powered Cray ..... Casual gamers just want a single high spec ATI/Nvidia card :rolleyes:

True ..... 5% of the market is what Apple will be stuck with until they decide to make a change !! ;)

I agree,,


I'd be happy with an average spec card. not even high spec.. sadly it seems that what Apple choose to put in the new imacs is sub-average.. (from a casual gaming point of view).. would be nice if they offered a BTO option for those who want a little more kick in their game performance.

[daneoni]

........it would be nice if Apple offered a BTO of the 8700m GT (I hear the 8800m is delayed, again).

That is precisely what I'm saying dude !! Jeeeeez !! :D

I agree.............would be nice if they offered a BTO option for those who want a little more kick in their game performance.

Good luck. Hopefully, you get what you want eventually and.....

Perfectionist, i hope all that eyerolling doesn't give you a headache