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Mr. Anderson
Aug 7, 2003, 08:18 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/southeast/08/07/bali.verdict/index.html

202 people dead and he's smiling.....blah :rolleyes:

I just hope this deters others from trying the same thing :(

D

edesignuk
Aug 7, 2003, 08:27 AM
He's unbelievable, just look at him!

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39372000/jpg/_39372973_afp_thumbsup203.jpg
"One of the chief suspects
accused of involvement in
last year's Bali bombing has
been found guilty and
sentenced to death."

BBC Article. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3130929.stm)

caveman_uk
Aug 7, 2003, 09:02 AM
Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/southeast/08/07/bali.verdict/index.html

202 people dead and he's smiling.....blah :rolleyes:

I just hope this deters others from trying the same thing :(

D
Sadly they'll probably think it's great being a martyr. Now getting medieval - burnt at the stake for example or being hung, drawn and quartered - now that might put them off.

patrick0brien
Aug 7, 2003, 09:14 AM
-"Woo hoo! Yyyyyess! The death penalty! They're going to kill me!"

You get the impression that this fellow is not exactly straight in the head - even by terrorists' standards?

edesignuk
Aug 7, 2003, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by caveman_uk
Now getting medieval - burnt at the stake for example or being hung, drawn and quartered - now that might put them off.
I think they should, in cases where it is beyond any shadow of a doubt of a personís guilt, and in places where there still is the death penalty, why not make a real example of them. Lethal injection and a-like is too good for these people, they deserve a painful death.

wdlove
Aug 7, 2003, 10:21 AM
It's very sad indeed. To them it's a victory, looking forward to their 32 virgins. They may just end up like the story Lazrus & Zacharis; but learning there actual destination not allowed to reveal to those that remain!

iGav
Aug 7, 2003, 10:30 AM
Originally posted by edesignuk
I think they should, in cases where it is beyond any shadow of a doubt of a personís guilt, and in places where there still is the death penalty, why not make a real example of them. Lethal injection and a-like is too good for these people, they deserve a painful death.

I hear ya fella!!

But first they should carry out a campaign of dis-information, dress him up western clothes and give him a Pepsi to drink, take pictures, put them on the web saying he regrets his actions, and he's now a confirmed westerner and living in Las-Vegas enjoying the high-life!

Then they should slot him on the quiet, so that all of his buddies thinks he's changed sides... (and thus, not a Martyr)

Personally I'd hand him over to the Aussie SAS and let them deal with him, I'm pretty sure they'll handle it in the way that it deserves... ;)

mactastic
Aug 7, 2003, 01:15 PM
Hopefully he'll wind up in the same place these people (http://www.theonion.com/onion3734/hijackers_surprised.html) did. And probably with the same expectations they had. I've always wondered whether people like this are sane but brainwashed or otherwise not thinking clearly, or have some kind of mental issues. I wish they would find a deep dark hole, throw him in, and let him smile to his own bad self for the rest of his life. Martyring people just makes things worse, and he's already claimed the crown of martyr, and now will have some period of time to exploit that role while they try all the other people involved. :(

MacFan25
Aug 7, 2003, 02:20 PM
This guy is just sick. I can't believe he gave the jurors a thumbs up. :rolleyes:

bryanc
Aug 7, 2003, 06:36 PM
Originally posted by mactastic
I've always wondered whether people like this are sane but brainwashed or otherwise not thinking clearly, or have some kind of mental issues.

Sadly, if you give otherwise rational people a religiously defined set of fundamental beliefs, you can get behaviours like this.

Have a look at this URL:
Religions Misguided Missiles (http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4257777,00.html)

Cheers

Stelliform
Aug 7, 2003, 08:36 PM
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bobindashadows
Aug 8, 2003, 10:45 AM
I'll tell all of you: it's refreshing to see liberals who can agree that some crimes are worth of the death penalty.

Thank you.

By saying this, however, I may remind some liberals they aren't supposed to like the death penalty, and then I'll get flamed :rolleyes:

That onion article was hilarious, thanks. And I like the idea about a Louisiana prison :lol:

Backtothemac
Aug 8, 2003, 05:11 PM
Well, remember the words drawn and quartered ;)

Personally, I think the comedian Ron White put it best.


"I live in Texas, and they are trying to pass a law that if more than three credible witnesses see you commit a murder...... Jack, you go right to the front of the line. Other states are talking about getting rid of the death penalty.......My state is putting in an express lane."

MrMacMan
Aug 8, 2003, 07:59 PM
Originally posted by Backtothemac
Well, remember the words drawn and quartered ;)

Personally, I think the comedian Ron White put it best.


"I live in Texas, and they are trying to pass a law that if more than three credible witnesses see you commit a murder...... Jack, you go right to the front of the line. Other states are talking about getting rid of the death penalty.......My state is putting in an express lane."

And that is why Texas has the highest percentage of putting:
a) Innocent people to death
b) Overturning death penalty convictions before the person was to be excuted.

Note: I did not say the highest number, which would also be Texas, because its unfair to the states with less Death Penalty cases.



Anyhoo this person... wanted to die.

I would have pushed for the good only life sentence, they suffer more and they don't get to go to their __ of virgins (I've heard a few different numbers) so soon.

Killing them just helps their point of being a martyr.

You see, the worst possible thing you could do to them is say 'your free' and send them back to their terriost recruitment camp BECAUSE listen to my logic, they didn't follow through on their goal, they didn't accomplish what was needed, to kill themselves in the process.

This would kill them inside, not physically.

Stelliform
Aug 8, 2003, 08:58 PM
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Durandal7
Aug 8, 2003, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by Stelliform
Now I am for the death penalty, but MrMacman has a point. Shouldn't the punishment fit the crime? Wouldn't a better punishment be spending the rest of their lives in forced labor for the US. Maybe picking up trash or something? I know their crimes were not committed in the US, but who do they hate more?


Good idea, how about forcing them to polish our missiles and tanks for the rest of their lives? It would be something low level enough that they could not really sabotage anything but they would be assisting our war effort nontheless.

Stelliform
Aug 8, 2003, 10:57 PM
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MrMacMan
Aug 8, 2003, 11:04 PM
Originally posted by Stelliform
Now I am for the death penalty, but MrMacman has a point. Shouldn't the punishment fit the crime? Wouldn't a better punishment be spending the rest of their lives in forced labor for the US. Maybe picking up trash or something? I know their crimes were not committed in the US, but who do they hate more?



Ah thanks.


The whole damn point for being a martyr is to die for your cause... anyway I think all terrorists should just get max jail, maybe some forced labor...

For someone like a serial killer should defiantly get to be killed.

Alot of people are saying 'lets tourture them' well, how about lets not.

How much better would we be if we tourtured people?

If our justification for war was that the country tortured people, we should be able to say we don't.

patrick0brien
Aug 8, 2003, 11:12 PM
-All

Make the martyrs beer and wine tasters.

Then point them to the "Have u ever been drunk" thread.

tazo
Aug 9, 2003, 12:40 AM
Originally posted by Stelliform
Now I am for the death penalty, but MrMacman has a point. Shouldn't the punishment fit the crime? Wouldn't a better punishment be spending the rest of their lives in forced labor for the US. Maybe picking up trash or something? I know their crimes were not committed in the US, but who do they hate more?

It is kind of like the hijackers that didn't hit a building on September 11th. New investigation shows that they purposely crashed the plane. I think that they were afraid that they wouldn't die that day. The passengers might regain control of the plane and they would live to not see martyrdom. It makes you think...

If this guy was in real life he would probably be tried as a minority.

job
Aug 9, 2003, 01:00 AM
Originally posted by tazo
If this guy was in real life he would probably be tried as a minority.

Come again? I'm a bit confused by your statement.

MrMacMan
Aug 9, 2003, 06:55 AM
Originally posted by tazo
If this guy was in real life he would probably be tried as a minority.

Like as a hate crime?

wdlove
Aug 9, 2003, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by tazo
If this guy was in real life he would probably be tried as a minority.

Even so he still cause the death of 200 innocent people. If tried as a minority the death penality should apply for such a horrendous crime!

bobindashadows
Aug 12, 2003, 11:16 AM
Originally posted by MrMacman
And that is why Texas has the highest percentage of putting:
a) Innocent people to death
b) Overturning death penalty convictions before the person was to be excuted.

Note: I did not say the highest number, which would also be Texas, because its unfair to the states with less Death Penalty cases.

Anyhoo this person... wanted to die.

I would have pushed for the good only life sentence, they suffer more and they don't get to go to their __ of virgins (I've heard a few different numbers) so soon.

Killing them just helps their point of being a martyr.

You see, the worst possible thing you could do to them is say 'your free' and send them back to their terriost recruitment camp BECAUSE listen to my logic, they didn't follow through on their goal, they didn't accomplish what was needed, to kill themselves in the process.

This would kill them inside, not physically.

You're right, I concede to you there. Here's a few more suggestions:

Force them to eat at a McDonalds every day for the rest of their life. That would kill them, but it's not inhumane or offensive (like we could take a jewish terrorist (e.g.) and make them polish swastikas - that would be inhumane) You know, fatten him up like the American pigs he hates.

Wow... my ideas just ran dry.

But not all terrorists should be given life, max. Timothy McVeigh (sic), as far as i know, didn't want to martyr himself, and he deserved to get the death penalty.

tazo
Aug 12, 2003, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by wdlove
Even so he still cause the death of 200 innocent people. If tried as a minority the death penality should apply for such a horrendous crime!

I guess no one got the joke I was trying to make....

themadchemist
Aug 15, 2003, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by edesignuk
I think they should, in cases where it is beyond any shadow of a doubt of a personís guilt, and in places where there still is the death penalty, why not make a real example of them. Lethal injection and a-like is too good for these people, they deserve a painful death.

When you start torturing such criminals, you become just as bad, or worse, than them. That's why I myself am fond of our Bill o' Rights.

MacViolinist
Aug 15, 2003, 03:47 PM
Does the number 1984 in conjuction with the name George Orwell (or Eric Blair for the nit-pickers) ring a bell to anyone?

Rule #1 for supressing terrorism: Thou Shalt not create martyrs.

Rule #2 for supressing terrorism: Thou shalt co-opt before erasing

MrMacMan
Aug 15, 2003, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by bobindashadows
You're right, I concede to you there. Here's a few more suggestions:


Whoo ha!

Victory is mine!

;) :D


Force them to eat at a McDonalds every day for the rest of their life. That would kill them, but it's not inhumane or offensive (like we could take a jewish terrorist (e.g.) and make them polish swastikas - that would be inhumane) You know, fatten him up like the American pigs he hates.
Jewish terrorist?

I'm not sure what you mean, like Isreal's army or the anti-hammas? :confused:

Anyway to any kosher Jew, eating Mcdonalds is bad enough.