New Product Releases on the 19th?

[MacRumors]

MacBidouille pinpoints (http://www.macbidouille.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=2003-08-07#6325) a day (or two) for potential updates. English Translation:

Several sources point to a new Apple announcement for Monday August 18 or Tuesday the 19. It could be the PowerBook with Aluminum 15" and an increase in frequencies for the 12" and 17", as well as new display which will port the new G5 look with grilled border. Lastly, less probable, however, we'll never know, a little update for the iMac to spark the sale which is rather weak these last month.


While of uncertain reliability, this offers the first specific timeframe for the PowerBook updates since the World Wide Developer's Conference (WWDC). PowerBooks were last updated in January, 2003 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/01/20030108221159.shtml) with the introduction of the 12" and 17" PowerBooks. Speculation about PowerBook updates begin shortly after that introduction... however, few credible rumors have emerged.

Recent reports claim (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/07/20030728175544.shtml) that difficulties with PowerPC 7457 production have delayed the release of the updated PowerBooks (and iMacs). The PowerPC 7457 is said to be shipping in Q4 2003 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/06/20030604091755.shtml).

The only word from Apple has been hints (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/06/20030624150646.shtml) that the G5 would not make it into the Powerbooks "anytime soon".


Based on our Buyer's Guide (http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/), both PowerBooks and iMacs have approached the end of their product cycles.

[Mr. Anderson]

And this is the n th rumor of this that we've had.

I guess its just a matter of time before it happens. I really wonder what the delay has been....:confused:

D

[keithcobbett]

This would be a very good thing. I've been waiting for the updated 15" model for quite some time. Would like to see the system bus increased a little and looking for Airport Extreme also. We'll wait and see a little longer.

[dswoodley]

oh boy! I am all excited now!! There's no chance this rumor won't pan out.:rolleyes:

[koelling]

" PowerBooks were last updated in January, 2003 with the introduction of the 12" and 17" PowerBooks."

But the 15 hasn't been updated since last November. It's truly about time.

[Mokona]

Well it's good to have a date now... Unfortunately it was set by MacBidoulle whose trackrecord with these things is horrible.

The date does seem reasonable... I need, no let me rephrase that, I NEEEEEEED a new 12". We'll see what happens.

Honestly, I'm losing hope in waiting for a new product line-up.


Year of the notebook indeed. *sarcastic smirk*

[MacRETARD]

Im waiting to buy. Even if they are having problems getting a new chip out I think they should at least do a feature/price update. At least update the 15 inch to the new chassis and add the features the 12 and 17 have even if the cpu stays the same.

[arn]

yeah, seems like it's just a crap-shoot. I wouldn't put too much stock in this rumor by itself...

but people are still waiting for them powerbook updates.

I'm not in the market for one myself at the moment, but I'd not want to buy one now.

arn

[codemother]

We 're gonna party like we've been waiting since 1999! (sung to the tune of you know what) :)

[Mokona]

Supposing the rumor is true however, will the problems with the 7457 persist, leaving us with the announcement on 19th and deliveries in Q4?

If we do get new pbooks delivered by q4, then we´ll be pissed in Q1 '04 when the G5 pbooks are announced...

[michaelrjohnson]

{sigh} Okay... sure, i'll get my hopes up, just ONE more time... I honestly think they should just tell us what the heck is holding this up. Not that anybody cares except for apple and rumor sites.

I will be purchasing a 15in AlBook. I WANT it to be a G5 (yeah, right), but realistically, I WANT it to be sooner, rather than later.

See you all in the "Dissapointment" or "Jubilation" threads on August 18th (or 19th).:rolleyes:

[mattalici]

The displays don't sound likely as I believe APL is still shopping the 30 inch. Whatever.

PB's on the 19th sounds just as plausible as any other date. I hate waiting.
>:(

[mainstreetmark]

Windows crashed twice on me today. My Dell Inspiron has 4 cracks in it, is on it's fourth power supply, second network card, third battery and has been taken appart three times to get the control keys (sound, power..) working again. The PCMCIA slots don't show that anything is plugged in to them, although the things plugged in there work fine. The mousebuttons on the trackpad don't "click" like they used to. The screen hinge lacks the strength to hold the screen up, unless it's perfectly vertical, or leaning on something.

"Should we get you a new computer, Mark?" asks the company in late May. "Naa... the updated 17" PowerBook is probably coming out in a few weeks"

[IDTheft]

All I can say is that I hope Apple's partnership with IBM turns out much better than their partnership with Motorola so we won't have this type of delay that I think really hurts Apple's chances in the market.

Even with the superior end-user experience of OS X and reliability of Apple computers, the unreliable chip supply and slow speed upgrade just kills purchasing decisions especially for enterprise bussinesses.

Now that laptop has become the main SME and large corp. tools, Apple needs to take the chance in the current context to regain some mind share with reliable, easy to use, stylish and most of all comparably powerful laptops to sell. We all know, with such a system, OSX is a no brainer.

Hopefully, the G5 or a similarly powerful chip can be shoehorned into the Powerbooks. IT managers, especially the Linux/Unix guys will at least give Apple products a chance if not even actively push it (Windows people won't do it because they know their goose is cooked cause systems will stop breaking down)

G5, your great, but we need you in a Powerbook form. Come sooner rather than later?

[iGav]

Not that I think it will happen just yet, but the last time I remember Apple saying something similar to the "no G5's in a PowerBook for awhile" thing, was a similar time last year regarding a slot loading Super-Drive for the PowerBook.

Didn't someone from Apple say something like "If we had them we'd fit em'" kind of thing, then a month later we got the slot loading SuperDrive...

Hmmmmm....

But I still don't think it's going to happen just yet.. my mind ticking over in this heat!! heh-heh! :p

[metajunkie]

As much as I'd like them to, it seems unlikely that Apple is going to change its displays any time soon.

I only say this because Apple just dropped some big bucks on the g5 (somewhat awful) commercials in which the current display is shown. I doubt they would have done that if the new displays were just around the corner (that way they don't have a commericial with an outdated product in it).

[jaedreth]

Heh. I worked for support at the time, and of course they tell you *nothing* before it's released, and I was caught telling someone exactly a week before they shipped that I seriously doubt the'd be able to put a SuperDrive into a PowerBook. I ate some major crow pie that week.

Jaedreth

[Abstract]

My faith in MacBid's accuracy isn't strong right now. You know what? If I were to name every Tuesday between now and the end of September as the day the PB's are to be updated, I'd probably be correct. I don't see what the risk is of simply pointing at any Tuesday and saying, "Yes, new PB updates will happen on this date". There are just too many rumours of this sort. We have heard it all, and nathing has panned out.

We're like a dog that is appeased every once in a while by having a treat thrown in our direction. Someone is pulling the strings at the rumour-mill and playing us..........playing us like minarets, or the violin. :mad:

[CmdrLaForge]

If you are psoting every week "NEXT WEEK - NEW PB" you will be right. Once.

[jaedreth]

Oh, don't worry, there will be at least 6 months time in between the update of the PowerBook G4's and the PowerBook G5's. Of course, Apple *might* have the design for the PowerBook G5's ready by the time they release the G4 update if the waiting continues...

Jaedreth

[iGav]

Originally posted by jaedreth
Heh. I worked for support at the time, and of course they tell you *nothing* before it's released, and I was caught telling someone exactly a week before they shipped that I seriously doubt the'd be able to put a SuperDrive into a PowerBook. I ate some major crow pie that week.

Jaedreth

heh-heh exactly my point...

I still don't think we're about to get G5 PowerBooks but it does have striking similarities... :eek: :eek: :D

[Ambrose Chapel]

well a dog-day of summer is just as good as any other for shiny new powerbooks. and more importantly it will come before the start of school; hopefully not after returning students have already made their back-to-school purchases...

[CrackedButter]

Just release something.

[synthetickittie]

hopefully not after returning students have already made their back-to-school purchases...

ALL my friends are already bought their new system including me. I got my laptop a little over a week ago. I dont know anyone that is still searching for a new laptop or computer for the start of school. That is also saying that when/if they do annouce these things they will be shipping righ then. Im happy I bought my laptop when I did because they might say they are no shipping for a month and I need it before that.

[Mokona]

Originally posted by Ambrose Chapel
well a dog-day of summer is just as good as any other for shiny new powerbooks. and more importantly it will come before the start of school; hopefully not after returning students have already made their back-to-school purchases...
I wouldn't be too sure about that. We still have the rumor (also from MacBidoulle if I remember correctly) that the new proc's had a bit of trouble. Sure, the announcement might come during a dog day of summer but it might not be delivered until fall. (Which in sweden is quite soon...)

[gibjer]

Who knows, at this point, if they can come out with a speed bumped laptop maybe we will see the 20" iMacs as well.

<-- Still holding out for a G6

[thabih]

Originally posted by CmdrLaForge
If you are psoting every week "NEXT WEEK - NEW PB" you will be right. Once.

Not necessarily, suppose new powerbooks are never announced.

Also, suppose that the day that you post 'next week - new pb', new powerbooks are announced. In this case, you'll have resigned your announcement from last week, instead claiming that new powerbooks will arrive 'next' week, yet they arrive 'this week'. In fact this sort of thing is very likely to happen unless you make all of your announcements at the end of the week.

[wowoah]

I don't mean to fan the fires of speculation, but I thought I'd add my own thoughts.

I placed an order for a 15" PowerBook about a week ago, but it's backordered so I don't have it just yet. Yesterday I got a call from the campus computer store (who I placed the order with) saying that they had just talked to Apple's ed department and that the 15" PowerBooks would be backordered an additional 2 1/2 weeks. Once again, this could mean nothing, but that would put the release date timeframe precisely after the August 18-19 release.

Like everyone else, I've grown incredibly cynical and skeptical of these rumors after hearing them for about 6 months, but they do have to release them *sometime*, right? This seems to make sense. I'm actually excited this time...:)

[fabsgwu]

Maybe by "year of the notebook," Jobs really meant:

"You'll have to wait a year till our new notebooks come out."

[Billy_ca]

Recent reports claim that difficulties with PowerPC 7457 production have delayed the release of the updated PowerBooks (and iMacs).

I love Motorola! :D

[capitalhood]

NO ONE seems to think a g5 is possible, but why not?
If the g5 were at 1.2 ghz in the 15 and 17 and the 12 had a 1.3 ghz g4 why not?
Heat, no heat wouldn't be bAd at 1.2 ghz, i mean just look at those 2.8 ghz pc laptops, if the pc industry can do it why not apple, and as for battery consumption, if apple were to put in a 76 insted of a 55 or some crap like that it would be fine.

SO WHY NOT!?

[jkojima]

I think the rumored announcements in a week or two are significant not because of what they may announce, but because Apple would not try to keep two balls up in the air at the same time. What I mean is, the G5s would likely have to ship before Apple announces a second major revision to a product line. So what I think we'll see is the formal announcement of shipping G5s in the next couple of days, and then perhaps the long-awaited announcement of PowerBooks or new displays.

I think that actually the sole reason new PowerBooks have not been announced is because Apple was placing more import on the G5, and since they were very likely delayed, the launch date for PowerBooks would have to be pushed back.

[sacrilicious]

Originally posted by fabsgwu
Maybe by "year of the notebook," Jobs really meant:

"You'll have to wait a year till our new notebooks come out."

Haha.

I'm one of the few fortunate students that doesn't start until Sep. 30, so I'm holding out.

[Mokona]

Originally posted by capitalhood
NO ONE seems to think a g5 is possible, but why not?
If the g5 were at 1.2 ghz in the 15 and 17 and the 12 had a 1.3 ghz g4 why not?
Heat, no heat wouldn't be bAd at 1.2 ghz, i mean just look at those 2.8 ghz pc laptops, if the pc industry can do it why not apple, and as for battery consumption, if apple were to put in a 76 insted of a 55 or some crap like that it would be fine.

SO WHY NOT!?
Well, for one, the G5 has a totally different architecture than the G4. You can't say a processor will be hotter just by simply comparing clock speeds.

Heat dissipation in a notebook is very troublesome. I remember when the first Ti CD-rw's came... People got scolded.

I had a Pentium 4 @ 2.8 GHz. That thing made a fan noise that, when you compare it to the Ti667 at full fan speed, sounded like a boeing taking off compared to the average house-fan.

Really. My powersupply had a separate built-in fan to compensate for the immense heat produced when it tried to generate enough power. Did I mention it sucked my dual-battery system dry in about two hours? (If I was lucky and just listened to MP3's with the screen off.)

Oh, and I was raised in a cardboard box on the m5 and my father made me walk 15 miles through snow... If I was lucky...

But I was serious about the battery part.

[MacBoyX]

Originally posted by capitalhood
NO ONE seems to think a g5 is possible, but why not?
If the g5 were at 1.2 ghz in the 15 and 17 and the 12 had a 1.3 ghz g4 why not?
Heat, no heat wouldn't be bAd at 1.2 ghz, i mean just look at those 2.8 ghz pc laptops, if the pc industry can do it why not apple, and as for battery consumption, if apple were to put in a 76 insted of a 55 or some crap like that it would be fine.

SO WHY NOT!?

Because as Steve said during the keynote, the G5 is more than just a CHIP. It's a new system. You aren't gonna get the kind of perfomance out of the G5 that apple's getting unless you can somehow fit that Mobo into the PB. I seriously doubt that Apple designed a new MOBO for both the PowerMac and the PowerBook at the same time.

Further more, I'd be very suprised if Apple brings out G5 PowerBooks any time soon, they would seriously hurt the sales (at least PROsumer sales) of the PowerMacs.

You can't just slap the chip into an exisiting Mobo and it's not fair to compare the G5 to the Pentium 4 2.8GHz, it's not a linear scale where GHz = Heat.

Also did you see the SIZE of those heat sinks on the G5's in the PM? Come on, can we for once not get our hopes up so high that we are not disappointed when Apple releases an update that is not what our wildest fantasies are?

Everyone should be still impressed with the PM announcement. Apple's not gonna replace the G5 on the front page of the site with a PowerBook so it's not gonna be a G5.

And as far as the displays go...I am glad someone echoed my thoughts, Apple would NOT have made the G5 commercial with a Cinema Display if a new one is around the corner, there would just have been the G5.

Ok enuff ranting :)

MacboyX

[brig]

my 12" just shipped, so lets all hope for no new PB's until around september. I'd rather not get burnt real bad like I think about to be. dag nab it.

[Alexander]

Originally posted by mainstreetmark
The screen hinge lacks the strength to hold the screen up, unless it's perfectly vertical, or leaning on something.

You know, that's funny. A couple weeks ago, my 15" PB jumped off the bed (seriously, I was in another room), and broke one of its two hinges. I was convinced it would behave exactly like yours, at best. But no, it's still perfectly usable. It will flop down slooooowly if it's within about 45 degrees of horizontal, but that's hardly that big of a problem.

Still, I'm needin that updated 17"...

[new user]

i am going to wait until the 19th and i'll be buying whatever 15pb is out. i prefer an update, but i don't think i should be leaving for school later that week without expecting something to be shipped to me.

i think i can get by without a laptop during orientation, but once classes begin for serious i'll need something.

but this new rumor is the deadline.

[Wonder Boy]

Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
And this is the n th rumor of this that we've had.

I guess its just a matter of time before it happens. I really wonder what the delay has been....:confused:

D

do you think they would ever tell us the real reason?

[Wonder Boy]

Originally posted by new user
i am going to wait until the 19th and i'll be buying whatever 15pb is out. i prefer an update, but i don't think i should be leaving for school later that week without expecting something to be shipped to me.

i think i can get by without a laptop during orientation, but once classes begin for serious i'll need something.

but this new rumor is the deadline.

As a recent graduate from uconn, trust me, you dont need a computer until maybe week 2 for actual work. but it is nice to play games and download "relation" type films. you'll get by the first couple weeks, be patient if the update is what you really want.

[billyboy]

I know there are loads of people itching for a new 15" Powerbook, but for me its nice to know that even after 7 months my 15" Ti Powerbook is still state of the Apple art - for its size.

I dont know how it compares to a 7 month old PC equivalent, but its still plenty good enough to see me through to the day I take delivery of a G6 Powerbook. Good job Macs are really well built for the long haul!

[MacRETARD]

Originally posted by MacBoyX
Because as Steve said during the keynote, the G5 is more than just a CHIP. It's a new system. You aren't gonna get the kind of perfomance out of the G5 that apple's getting unless you can somehow fit that Mobo into the PB. I seriously doubt that Apple designed a new MOBO for both the PowerMac and the PowerBook at the same time.

Just a hunch but I think apple probably has more than 1 team working on new motherboards, Im sure they could work on these at the same time.


Further more, I'd be very suprised if Apple brings out G5 PowerBooks any time soon, they would seriously hurt the sales (at least PROsumer sales) of the PowerMacs.


To most people this is not an overlapping market. You generally are either shopping for a desktop or a laptop. Usually laptops cost more to come close to the same performance as a desktop.


You can't just slap the chip into an exisiting Mobo and it's not fair to compare the G5 to the Pentium 4 2.8GHz, it's not a linear scale where GHz = Heat.

Also did you see the SIZE of those heat sinks on the G5's in the PM? Come on, can we for once not get our hopes up so high that we are not disappointed when Apple releases an update that is not what our wildest fantasies are?


If other designers can put intel and amd DESKTOP chips into a laptop Im sure apple can put the G5 into a laptop.

BTW I really hope your wildest fantasies arent about computers.


Everyone should be still impressed with the PM announcement. Apple's not gonna replace the G5 on the front page of the site with a PowerBook so it's not gonna be a G5.

And as far as the displays go...I am glad someone echoed my thoughts, Apple would NOT have made the G5 commercial with a Cinema Display if a new one is around the corner, there would just have been the G5.

Ok enuff ranting :)

MacboyX

I personally think the next powerbooks will have G4's but I think its because they are currently limited on supply of the G5 not for any heat reasons or lack or design.

[Abstract]

Originally posted by thabih
Originally posted by CmdrLaForge:
If you are psoting every week "NEXT WEEK - NEW PB" you will be right. Once.

Not necessarily, suppose new powerbooks are never announced.


DIE!!! :mad: Curse you. CURSE YOU!!!

Okay okay, I'm joking. But seriously, no more talking. :p

New User:
i think i can get by without a laptop during orientation, but once classes begin for serious i'll need something.

but this new rumor is the deadline.

You don't need it right away, but you're right, this rumour should be it. I'm tired of all this bullsquat being spewed left and right. This board makes me depressed sometimes. :( For every piece of great news, there are 5 disappointments.

[jaedreth]

Actually, they've been working on the MLB's for G5 PowerBooks.

The MB itself is expected to be *available* to Apple in January.

Which means a G5 Powerbook could hit Feb or March depending upon other components. (Could be later, especially if apple wants only the die shrunk processors for the powerbooks. But the mlb's will be ready by Jan.)

Jaedreth

[GeoMac]

don't think anyones mentioned it in this thread, but I have a feeling the announcement is on dual 1.8's...just my .02.

[jaedreth]

Think you're right.

Jaedreth

[DrGonzo]

Originally posted by synthetickittie
ALL my friends are already bought their new system including me. I got my laptop a little over a week ago. I dont know anyone that is still searching for a new laptop or computer for the start of school. That is also saying that when/if they do annouce these things they will be shipping righ then. Im happy I bought my laptop when I did because they might say they are no shipping for a month and I need it before that.

Well I'm personally still waiting for a new system before school starts (starts the 18th) though I'm a junior+ and to buy a powerbook now seems stupid (though i could end up waiting another 2 months). I'm definately the type of person that if i bought something right now and something new and HOPEFULLY vastly improved came out in a month i'd be very pissed off. As far as computers go when I buy something that costs as much as a laptop (specifically a powerbook) does I want the newest at the time i buy it, and I could NEVER say that about the 15" at this point. I have a desktop, the school has plenty of labs, in all reality no one NEEDS a laptop in college, it just makes life easier. If you say you NEED one in college RIGHT away then you have serious problems. However, if you're happy with your purchase of a 12/17" or the even older 15" ti book then by all means you have just gotten a great deal on a laptop.

As a recent graduate from uconn, trust me, you dont need a computer until maybe week 2 for actual work. but it is nice to play games and download "relation" type films. you'll get by the first couple weeks, be patient if the update is what you really want.

True, though unless you live far away from campus (though it doesn't really matter if you're a full time student) and you don't have a desktop accessible you can go through college w/o a computer/laptop (though i wouldn't recommend it) :) . Even if i didn't have a desktop at school I'd wait for an update at this point.

One thing i was thinking about was if the new 15" comes out within the next two months and it's just a 7457 with a few improvements I might try to scoop up an older 15" because at that point the prices will be even lower (i'm assuming) for a "new" one and even less for a used on.

Then again, the 18th/19th may come and go without any words from Apple, and how many of us would be surprised? Certainly not me.

[Finch]

Hi. I'm newbie here.
Even if new PB released on Aug 19, We wont get it for a month or more...maybe. Sorry if I'm wrong. But I need laptop computer so bad right now. And I have enough money to buy it...but...

How long did it take to ship the last 15 PB anyway? :rolleyes:

[RichP]

Guys, dont worry..

I just got my 17" last week, so I am certain there will be updates next week!

honestly, at best, I bet if there is an announcement, its bluetooth peripherals; so they are to market to coincide with the g5, and be ready for the new 15, which will be released in sept at macworld paris.

[GeoMac]

Originally posted by RichP
Guys, dont worry..

I just got my 17" last week, so I am certain there will be updates next week!
.

lol, thought I was the only one. I personally hope the announcement is for new lcd's...waiting anxiously :)

[aafuss1]

I would have at least expected a new version of Appleworks with manuy new features.

[SiliconAddict]

as well as new display which will port the new G5 look with grilled border


Am I the only one who thinks Apple should leave well enough alone with the display casing? I think it looks sexy. Last thing I want is speed holes in my display. :p The current display, IMHO, looks good no matter the device. Laptop. Desktop. It works. From the description it sounds like Apple is trying to make it match the G5 tower in design. If they want to go with a metal casing fine. But no holes please.

[sacrilicious]

The grill is f'ugly, and I can't imagine the PowerBook being any prettier.

[jbomber]

Originally posted by Mokona
Supposing the rumor is true however, will the problems with the 7457 persist, leaving us with the announcement on 19th and deliveries in Q4?

If we do get new pbooks delivered by q4, then we´ll be pissed in Q1 '04 when the G5 pbooks are announced...

Where did this rumor come from? Why does it keep popping up? G5 powerbooks in Q1? Guys, step back for a second. that seems more than unlikely. It's highly implausible.

Don't worry. it'll come eventually, but there's no way it's coming that quickly.

[daveL]

Originally posted by jbomber
Where did this rumor come from? Why does it keep popping up? G5 powerbooks in Q1? Guys, step back for a second. that seems more than unlikely. It's highly implausible.

Don't worry. it'll come eventually, but there's no way it's coming that quickly.
Folks are thinking Q1 '04 because that's when the die shrunk, 90 nm 970s are rumored to be coming to market.

[tizza]

Well this rumor did come up on Page 1 rather than Page 2 so someone must think it means something - I guess the longer it takes for something new to come out the more chances there are of the next rumor being true!

Hey - I have heard from _reliable_ sources that new PB's are coming REAL SOON would you believe ... ;)

[zer0army]

Originally posted by SiliconAddict
Am I the only one who thinks Apple should leave well enough alone with the display casing? I think it looks sexy. Last thing I want is speed holes in my display. :p The current display, IMHO, looks good no matter the device. Laptop. Desktop. It works. From the description it sounds like Apple is trying to make it match the G5 tower in design. If they want to go with a metal casing fine. But no holes please.

I don’t mind the current casing either, but I Would be happier If they updated the displays to match my new G5. Or at least update the panel used in the 23’’ to match the specs of the 20’’

[IDTheft]

Wouldn't it be funny if the updated the Pbook with the cheesegrater style holes :D. It could become a haven for little insects and other exotic pets.

Sorry, just couldn't resist. I love the G5 look by the way. Seriously.

[jaedreth]

Keep in mind, they only had holes on the front and back, not sides or top.

If it's 1" thick, it would be hard to put holes in.

And if someone spilled something on the desk...

yeah, and real live bugs :o

But it would ventilate well.

Not a chance, though.

Jaedreth

[cpelton]

Originally posted by Ambrose Chapel
hopefully not after returning students have already made their back-to-school purchases...

Damnit damnit damnit! If i had only read this thread earlier!...

Just picked up a new 12" powerbook with superdrive today.. so far i love it! but i dont want a new and better one released right after i get mine!

[Bruja]

Le Sky is falling! Le Sky is falling! This is like watching Jerry Springer. You can't beleive it and you know that they are pulling your leg but you can't take your eyes off of it and change the channel

[jukeout]

Hey,
I'm Jon and I've been reading those forums throughout the summer, anxiously awaiting Powerbook updates so I could buy a comp for college in the fall. I gave in 3 days ago and ordered a 12" PB through Apple which they told me would ship on or before the 7th. Today that got updated to the 12th. That's a tuesday :eek:

So the 12th and the 19th don't sound that implausible to me...although if they don't update and are just making me wait longer I don't think i'm going to be too happy.

Come on Apple! I'm holding out against the peer-pressure of all my t40 carrying classmates...don't let me down!

[Bruja]

Too bad the 900Mhz ibook is not packing a Super Drive.. That might be a viable alternative. Hmmm...

[jukeout]

The iBooks just aren't as sexy as the AlBooks though....

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by capitalhood
NO ONE seems to think a g5 is possible, but why not?
If the g5 were at 1.2 ghz in the 15 and 17 and the 12 had a 1.3 ghz g4 why not?
Heat, no heat wouldn't be bAd at 1.2 ghz, i mean just look at those 2.8 ghz pc laptops, if the pc industry can do it why not apple, and as for battery consumption, if apple were to put in a 76 insted of a 55 or some crap like that it would be fine.

SO WHY NOT!?

I'm sure Apple could hack a PowerBook together with a G5 right now with no problems whatsoever. But why? It would be totally outside their design ethic and not cost-effective, compared to making a real design that's good. In fact, Apple did this once before. The first PowerBook G3 was a PowerBook 3400 hacked with a G3 inside. It was extremely expensive, didn't last long, didn't sell, and was an overall bad idea.

Originally posted by sacrilicious
I'm one of the few fortunate students that doesn't start until Sep. 30, so I'm holding out.

I start August 25 and I'm holding out. I'm just gonna take my iMac 400 and enjoy my superfast internet connection (oh, and study) until I can get a new PowerBook. Here's hoping that by Thanksgiving I can bring Jennifer (the iMac) back home :)

Originally posted by jkojima
I think that actually the sole reason new PowerBooks have not been announced is because Apple was placing more import on the G5, and since they were very likely delayed, the launch date for PowerBooks would have to be pushed back.

Why? Even though that might benefit Apple, you've ignored the real cost to Apple, which is losing the entire back-to-school market. It's not worth that much to them.

[Powerbook G5]

I almost converted my sister but she wanted a 12" with at least 1 GHz and not running as hot (the model she saw was so hot that the bottom was actually warped), but since she has to go to school in a week, she ended up with a Toshiba laptop that sounds like a jet taking off when you turn it on because of the fan. Since she got it this summer, it's gotten 4 virus attacks, Windows had to be reinstalled, the power supply crapped out, and Word crashed and I had to call Microsoft and beg for them to give her a new registration key to reinstall it since when she tried it refused to accept the key due to "licensing agreement" issues. I just can't imagine how much better the PowerBook was, even if it isn't as fast. I just hope I can have a new 15" before I go back in a few weeks, but if not, my Lombard is still running as well as ever.

[Omek]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
I'm sure Apple could hack a PowerBook together with a G5 right now with no problems whatsoever. But why? It would be totally outside their design ethic and not cost-effective, compared to making a real design that's good. In fact, Apple did this once before. The first PowerBook G3 was a PowerBook 3400 hacked with a G3 inside. It was extremely expensive, didn't last long, didn't sell, and was an overall bad idea.

I start August 25 and I'm holding out. I'm just gonna take my iMac 400 and enjoy my superfast internet connection (oh, and study) until I can get a new PowerBook. Here's hoping that by Thanksgiving I can bring Jennifer (the iMac) back home :)

Why? Even though that might benefit Apple, you've ignored the real cost to Apple, which is losing the entire back-to-school market. It's not worth that much to them.

I have an iMac 400MHz too!! I'm going to college Labor day weekend, but school doesn't start until September 3rd. I'm still going to wait, even if I have to wait into September... I could really care less what the updated Powerbook will be (G5, G4, most likely G4). I just want to hold it in my arms....mmmmm.... the sexy aluminumness.... :D

[illumin8]

Originally posted by Omek
I just want to hold it in my arms....mmmmm.... the sexy aluminumness.... :D
:rolleyes: You need a girlfriend...

[cb911]

so now the 7457 is said to be available in Q4 2003? i thought that Moto moved it forward to Q3? was that official, or just sometihing they thought they could do?

perhaps Apple thought that Moto could have the 7457 in quantitiy now... so they've decided to hold off PowerBook updates for a while.

but if there's going to be PB revisions soon... and the 7457's not ready yet... then what proc. is going to be in the new PowerBooks? :confused:

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by illumin8
:rolleyes: You need a girlfriend...

Will a girlfriend run UT2003? Will she play, and burn, DVD's?

[Omek]

Originally posted by illumin8
:rolleyes: You need a girlfriend...

Ya, I've had some. I kinda got my heart bashed ya know? :(

Maybe I'll find a good one at college... but ya have to admit, the Aluminum Powerbooks are dang slick... can't wait for a 15" one....

[brig]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Will a girlfriend run UT2003? Will she play, and burn, DVD's?

and you need one even worse.

[chomsky]

Originally posted by illumin8
:rolleyes: You need a girlfriend...

Hey... I *have* a girlfriend and totally know what he means.

Please don't tell her!! :eek:

[chomsky]

Okay.. I just put in an order for a 17" PB, 10g ipod, HP printer on wednesday, due to ship on or before the 21st.

My question is this: If the new PB comes out within 10 business days of me getting my machine, can I return my computer and get a new one? And more to the point, would they even ship an old powerbook 10 business days before the new one is released? Wouldn't they just increase the wait for a few days and send the new computer instead automatically?

Also, is it known whether the current line would descrease in price at the advent of the newer PBs? Or would they simply cease to exist in the apple store?

I need some answers..

[Turismo86]

IMHO, Apple really didn't lose too much on the back to school market, most college students are not on the rumor sites checking release dates, they will buy what they want at the moment. A freshman looking for a new PB probably bought a 17,15, or 12 without worrying about the product cycle. True, market share probably wasn't gained with the delay, but I think the impact is exaggerated.

[Powerbook G5]

Why not have the best of both worlds and wrap your girlfriend in aluminum foil and slap a nice Apple logo sticker on her? Oooo, the sexiness!

[tazo]

I know I am coming into the convo late, as I almost inevitably do, but is there any basis for the rumors of new product releases?

Anyone have a theory on what prices of the TiBook will be after they are updated to aluminum? 50 dollars for a similarly clocked? Any ideas?

[robodweeb]

Originally posted by jbomber
Don't worry. it'll come eventually, but there's no way it's coming that quickly.

it's not even breathing hard ...

[hasapi]

Originally posted by jbomber
Where did this rumor come from? Why does it keep popping up? G5 powerbooks in Q1? Guys, step back for a second. that seems more than unlikely. It's highly implausible.

Don't worry. it'll come eventually, but there's no way it's coming that quickly.

Well the East Fishkill plant where the 970's are produced was designed for the 90nm process (and better) from day one. The fact that the 970's are being produced at 130nm, is as IBM calls help pay the rent and get foundry customers on board immediately.

Its rumoured, that the plant will output 90nm from about November 03. Thats a very interesting timeline - very similar to the timeline for the 130nm 970 being produced from July for Apple's PMacs.

Remember, this process helps IBM get its output/revenue up significantly of chips from this plant. And theyre not moving to 90nm solely for Apple's benefit, the Power5 which will go into production early in 2004 will be produced on this process.

And lastly, can Motorola get the 7457 (currently rated max clock @ 1.3G) to scale much higher without heat becoming an issue again!. The 90nm 970 will provide apple with low power chips for the PB's all the way to 2G+. Do you think Apple would have much faith in Motorola achieving this with its G4's from its current yields?. I think not! :eek:

[tduality]

Originally posted by hasapi
The 90nm 970 will provide apple with low power chips for the PB's all the way to 2G+. Do you think Apple would have much faith in Motorola achieving this with its G4's from its current yields?. I think not! :eek:

They'll need lots of faith in Motorola for not looking into other options. I'm sure the G5 will sooner or later show up in a PB. But maybe more later than sooner.

[displaced]

Originally posted by Ambrose Chapel
well a dog-day of summer is just as good as any other for shiny new powerbooks. and more importantly it will come before the start of school; hopefully not after returning students have already made their back-to-school purchases...

Hmm. I'm gonna wait 'till winter. If the new revs. are anything like current models, I should be able to save on my heating bills ;)

[ssamani]

Originally posted by DrGonzo


True, though unless you live far away from campus (though it doesn't really matter if you're a full time student) and you don't have a desktop accessible you can go through college w/o a computer/laptop (though i wouldn't recommend it) :) . Even if i didn't have a desktop at school I'd wait for an update at this point.

[/B]

Sheesh, kids these days. Remember pen and paper? Do they still teach you to write or did that go out with long division ? :confused: :D

I only got a second hand 286 once I had to do a club newsletter. I survived with that until I made the switch and got my first PowerMac G3 beige in 98.

Then again I did have to go to the computer lab every day. But I'm sure I hand wrote a lot of my work except for my final year dissertation. This was only 10 years ago. God... I've hit middle age... I feel a mid-life crisis coming on, bring me the cryo freeze tube, quick...

Sanj
Aged 30
IT Professional
Comp Sci graduate

[Bruja]

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
Why not have the best of both worlds and wrap your girlfriend in aluminum foil and slap a nice Apple logo sticker on her? Oooo, the sexiness! YEEEEAAHHH BAAABYYY!!!

[LOZ23]

iLife Demo Days in Bristol and Bath
Visit a participating Apple reseller in Bristol or Bath on the weekend of either August 16th - 17th or 23rd - 25th and discover why the Mac is the perfect platform for your digital lifestyle. Apple will host a series of in-store demo days designed to showcase the latest Apple hardware and software, including the stunning new iPod range, the recently-released 1GHz eMac, and the jaw-droppingly beautiful 12" and 17" PowerBooks .

Looks like they don't want to even mention that big white elephant anymore........ I don't blame them

http://www.apple.com/uk/hotnews/

[AllenPSU]

Originally posted by sacrilicious
Haha.

I'm one of the few fortunate students that doesn't start until Sep. 30, so I'm holding out.

I unfortunately graduate in September, so I need to buy in August to get the discount. I'll also be moving and would really like a portable to take along.

I think I will have to place an order next week. Too bad that is just before the speculated announcement date.

I guess I will just have to pray for one of those "you got lucky and they updated your order" or be really upset at buying the latest discountinued model.

[DrGonzo]

Originally posted by ssamani
Sheesh, kids these days. Remember pen and paper? Do they still teach you to write or did that go out with long division ? :confused: :D

I only got a second hand 286 once I had to do a club newsletter. I survived with that until I made the switch and got my first PowerMac G3 beige in 98.


Hey man, I'm agreeing with you about "kids" these days that think they need a computer for college. I take notes with pen & paper, i love it, i can easily conceal my doodles from prying eyes whereas a laptop i feel as if someone is always looking at what i'm doing (i know cause i look at the screen of other people). Though i know that's not what you mean, you mean longer (3+ pages) papers. With prices being the way they are now though it's quite easy to get a computer no matter what budget you're on. Bah off to work.

[spice weasel]

As usual this thread has degenerated somewhat into the old-timers (I'm one of them) ganging up on the college kids who so desperately need a new PB. If you really need a brand-new computer for the first day of school (HIGHLY doubtful. Hell, I made it through a good portion of grad school with my trust old SE/30 and no printer), then wait until the very last minute and see what Apple has to offer. If you think you can wait a bit, then wait -- the odds are that there will be something better out by then (there just has to be, right? right?!?)

But on a different note. . . . I just checked the Apple Store site, and it says that the 12" PBs are shipping in 3-5 days, he 15" PBs in 5-7, and the 17" same day. I haven't checked this before, so i have no reference point, but has this pretty much been the story in the recent past, or is Apple clearing the channel? I know the dates don't exactly line-up with an 18th or 19th release date, but it's close.

Man, the suspense, rumors, and waiting have gotten to me. I suspect that there are 4 types of people following these PB release rumors: 1) those who think they need a new PB but probably don't, 2) those who know they don't need one but have the cash or the credit to buy one anyway, 3) those who don't need one and aren't going to buy one but just like to follow the rumors, and 4) people like me, whose old laptops have completely died and who really do need a portable and who are waiting to get the most value for their dollar (which to some means buying what is already out on deep discount -- more power to you).

I just know that if I buy a new 12" PB today, the new ones will be released next week. Just like how it always rains the day I wash my car.

[Powerbook G5]

Instead of insisting that college students don't need a computer for college, have you actually been to one recently or seen the requirements? My teachers do *not* accept papers written on paper. They complain that it isn't professional or that they don't want to be bothered with having to read sloppy handwritting. If I try handing in a 10 page report on paper they'd give me an incomplete without even reading the thing. Beyond that, I have many classes that request projects which include Powerpoint and slideshow presentations...how would you do that on a piece of paper with a pencil? Then, there is the two years of computer class required...All of our computers are in the library and it is closed on the weekends and closed after 12 and doesn't open until around 7 the next morning, so if you need to do a paper over the weekend or something, you would be screwed without a computer of your own. Also, our computers in the labs do *not* have a HD for security issues against virus problems and such. You have to upload all changes to a private shared file, and at random times, they have been known to wipe out...mostly due to when the techs go in to upgrade the system, which wipes everything clean, thus losing your nice 15 page paper that is due next week....(this happened to me when I was forced to use the PC lap to do a project for my computer class and had an 80 slide Powerpoint presentation that I was going to give in 3 days) If you seriously think we do not need a computer for college, then you are seriously out of date on the times. Granted, we do not need the latest AlBook to do our work on, but if we are going to buy one to last us through college, the latest technology gives us that much more peace of mind so we don't have to buy a new one so soon on a cash strapped budget.

Sorry for the rant, but some people seem to seriously not know the reliance on computers these days in college and insist that we have a problem thinking we need a computer...and for those saying we don't need them right away...my first 5 page paper was due on the second day of class followed by a half dozen others by the end of the first weekend. Welcome to the upperclassmen years...you don't get a break simply because it's your first day back.

[new user]

and some of us have to take notes, do outlines, and research even in the first week of school. it helps having a spanking new pb.

apple would be better off working around the schedule of the students/purchasers, than us having to work around their schedule. who is giving who money, for goodness sakes?

but as i said already, i'm not bagging on apple. i'm going to get whichever pb is available on the 19th. prefer update, but the price break on the ti will ease the pain, i hope.

[aryeh]

I do pro audio & need a powerful pro portable...

The G4 portable line is supposed to be this.
HOWEVER, no level 3 cache in 12" (my first pick due to size; will hook up to second montior in studio). Level 3 is needed in these ancient G4's for audio/soft synth plug ins. The G5 doesn't need the level 3 from what I hear.

17" too big.
15" too out of date.
Besides, from what I hear, the 15" is real world faster than the 17". Go figure.

My philosophy: One "should" be able to buy any laptop in the pro line according to the size of monitor wanted (in other words, how portable one needs to be) and not according to the features required. Make the same features available across the board.

DOES ONE HAVE TO BUY THE BIGGEST, BULKIEST MACHINE IN ORDER TO GET THE MOST POWER? Foolish marketing in my books.

Waiting for the update. I need a new machine for portable pro audio.
Next machine is to take me through to the G5 portable (unless of course the next machine is this baby); however, if next machine aint much, might go used until the G5 is out.

Aryeh :o
www.Har-Even.com
Apple user since 1987.

[AllenPSU]

Originally posted by spice weasel

I just know that if I buy a new 12" PB today, the new ones will be released next week. Just like how it always rains the day I wash my car.

If it changes next week, the stories about delays may bring you the newer machine.

[justinf77]

Even if new machines are released on the 19th (which just so happens to be my deadline for purchasing a machine), I wonder how quickly they would ship... If it would ship within 2 weeks, I could have it in time for school. If not, Ill use my old iBook until December. Did the new 15" TiBooks in November ship immediately?

[daveL]

Originally posted by justinf77
Even if new machines are released on the 19th (which just so happens to be my deadline for purchasing a machine), I wonder how quickly they would ship... If it would ship within 2 weeks, I could have it in time for school. If not, Ill use my old iBook until December. Did the new 15" TiBooks in November ship immediately?
I seem to remember a short delay of about two weeks or so. I order it the day after they (newest TiBook) showed up on the Apple Store. It's a sweet machine.

[syclone]

I just think its funny that we keep getting our hopes up every tuesday and keep getting let down, but its gotten to the point where I'd rather go back to school without a computer and hold out than buy one and have an updated PB come out the next week. Let's face it, just about all of us have a roommate with a computer if we actually have any big projects in the first month of school. For any of my classes that require powerpoint, we can bring in our files on a CD and use the computer in the room to run the presentation. Anyway, I'll be returning for my second year of school and I think everyone could survive on an iBook, or howabout a shiny new 1.25GHz G4 desktop for hundreds of dollars less. It beats buying a Dell that will just fall apart of randomly stop working. I just *want* a new PB as I am currently using an 800MHz iMac that will no longer fit into my car with some of the other things I have bought this summer. I'd like to buy a Book that is actually faster than the computer I've been using for over a year now. Somehow it seems like a step backwards. But I don't need it. Hell, if I freak out and need a computer right after I go back I'll buy a 12" iBook and sell it when the AlBooks come out. My big beef, however, is with Apple not getting these things out before school starts, because it is a huge market. Whether they need them or not, kids buy tons of laptops before school starts, and everyone seems to be holding out, so Apple is missing big profits. Isn't this supposed to be the year of the laptop?

On a side note, although I love my iPod, I managed to buy it two days before the laptop promo started, so maybe that adds to my desire to wait.

[freundt]

hmm...

ok.. here's my thoughts.. randomly ordered and crudly worded, mainly due to the vicodin in my blood stream...

3.0 ghz G5 power mac by the end of the year.. so sayith jobs.

year of the note book...ahh.. who cares this quote has been beaten to death...

However.. alot of people have stated that they feel the g5 pb would not be released unill th g5's were shipping... well, if the g5 are starting to ship...

A lot of specualtion around what chip will be in the pb.. most agree it will be another suck-o-rolla at roughly the same mghz.

However, jobs himself has stated that he knows that apple arebehind the curve and need to get faster.

The wait for the new pb's has been so long... why would they have a lackluster release after ~10 months of silence?

I am personally beginning to think apple really is holding out on pb releases untill they can get a G5 in there. Think about it. They hype the G5 as the next best thing to Tom Baker playing Dr. Who, then they are gonna turn around and release a low MGHz g4 laptop? (yah, yah, mghz myth and all that, but it does matter in the eyes of consumers)

I do not think that Steve's ego would allow such a thing. I think that the wait is because they are etiehr a) trying to get a G5 in there or B) trying to get a dual G4 17".

What's my basis? The same as yours.. some shakey logic based upon gut feeling and shakey rumours.

Anyways,
Off to la la land

_r

[cpelton]

Originally posted by new user
and some of us have to take notes, do outlines, and research even in the first week of school. it helps having a spanking new pb.

It helps but whats wrong with the current powerbooks? They will do a lot more than what you need them for, doesn't take much computing power to write a paper or make a powerpoint presentation

I just got a 12" pb yesterday, love it. I'll be using it for college as well

[macphoria]

Next update on 18th or 19th has to be 15" Aluminium PowerBook. Even "MacBidouille claims there is now a 6-8 week delay on PowerBooks, hinting at updates soon."

But I'll believe it when I see it. This update has been long time coming.

[frinky23]

OK, granted, I have been out of college for a whopping two years, so I'm already old and college has changed soooo much, but I do remember these things called computer labs. I was a computer science major and didn't have a computer of my own until senior year, and even then I used the labs on campus for school work most of the time (stop by in between classes while already on campus). I have a hard time believing people who insist that they MUST have a computer and that it MUST be the latest and greatest.


Back to the rumor - I think that the current displays look great and don't mind using one with my G5 when it comes. However, I held off ordering one just in case Apple decided to update them in the meantime. I'll probably place my order late next week, hopefully it arrives at the same time as the G5.

[Wonder Boy]

Originally posted by Turismo86
IMHO, Apple really didn't lose too much on the back to school market, most college students are not on the rumor sites checking release dates, they will buy what they want at the moment. A freshman looking for a new PB probably bought a 17,15, or 12 without worrying about the product cycle. True, market share probably wasn't gained with the delay, but I think the impact is exaggerated.



hmm, good point. a couple years ago, i was in the market for an imac. I was already to buy it until i got into it with a employee at circuit city. i was mad and put off buying my imac. within a week, the "new" ruby, graphite, indigo, and sage imacs came out. I bought the ruby. whats the moral of this tale? Im not sure, but i know it has something to do with being lucky in your purchase time. I was all set to get an old mac, but i just got lucky. you cant control apples time frame, so by when you are ready.

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by freundt
I am personally beginning to think apple really is holding out on pb releases untill they can get a G5 in there.

Apple has already said it'll be quite awhile before that happens.

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
Why not have the best of both worlds and wrap your girlfriend in aluminum foil and slap a nice Apple logo sticker on her? Oooo, the sexiness!

Especially if your girlfriend is Jeri Ryan:

[Powerbook G5]

She can assimilate me anytime! :D

[jaedreth]

But the question is, can she assimilate you, and reassimilate you and... (nevermind).

*Shakes his Magic 8-Ball* Will there be new powerbook on the 19th of this month released from Apple on that date? (You have to get darn specific with those 8-balls else they will throw you for a loop.) *Outlook Good*

No, Mr.Magic8Ball, Outlook is *bad*, Mail is good. Especially with Exchange server support.

But I digress yet again.

Jaedreth

[StuPid QPid]

Originally posted by freundt
hmm...

ok.. here's my thoughts.. randomly ordered and crudly worded, mainly due to the vicodin in my blood stream...

3.0 ghz G5 power mac by the end of the year.. so sayith jobs.

year of the note book...ahh.. who cares this quote has been beaten to death...

However.. alot of people have stated that they feel the g5 pb would not be released unill th g5's were shipping... well, if the g5 are starting to ship...

A lot of specualtion around what chip will be in the pb.. most agree it will be another suck-o-rolla at roughly the same mghz.

However, jobs himself has stated that he knows that apple arebehind the curve and need to get faster.

The wait for the new pb's has been so long... why would they have a lackluster release after ~10 months of silence?

I am personally beginning to think apple really is holding out on pb releases untill they can get a G5 in there. Think about it. They hype the G5 as the next best thing to Tom Baker playing Dr. Who, then they are gonna turn around and release a low MGHz g4 laptop? (yah, yah, mghz myth and all that, but it does matter in the eyes of consumers)

I do not think that Steve's ego would allow such a thing. I think that the wait is because they are etiehr a) trying to get a G5 in there or B) trying to get a dual G4 17".

What's my basis? The same as yours.. some shakey logic based upon gut feeling and shakey rumours.

Anyways,
Off to la la land

_r


Just a few comments:

First: I hope you're right about the G5, but somehow I doubt it.

Second: I think Jobs said 3 GHz "within" a year, not at the end of the year.

Third: IMO John Pertwee was THE Dr. Who...

[Powerbook G5]

Some of these rumors have made me think that perhaps they do use a magic 8 ball to predict their inside info...but since this is page one, I will at least hold out some hope that perhaps I can at least pre-order a new 15" AlBook. It's to that point where I don't even care how long it is, just as long as I can preorder it and know what the specs will be and that it will come sometime...as the G5 proves, you don't have to have the product in hand for it to be a huge success, just put it up on the Apple store so we can order them!

PS- Just started teaching myself some Unix so I can work the terminal when I get OS X...hope my sig actually makes sense! :)

[daveL]

Yes, it does :)

[soggywulf]

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
PS- Just started teaching myself some Unix so I can work the terminal when I get OS X...hope my sig actually makes sense! :)

Welcome to the brave old world. :) unix == good.

[Powerbook G5]

Well it's still a slow process and the only two books I have so far are "Unix for Dummies--A quick reference" and "Mac OS X in a Nutshell" with a huge section on the terminal and Unix commands. At least now I know how to check uptime, check the date, use the calculator, the calendar, some simple file searches, do the daily/weekly/monthly maintainence, and such. Nothing big yet, but it'll be nice to know how to dig into the terminal and do the more involved work within the system. I just cannot wait until I can start using OS X on a new PowerBook...even if I wanted an older 15", the Apple store here is out of stock, including the floor model, and the Apple store says a few weeks until it ships if you add it to the cart.

[Bruja]

UX for Dummies is a great book. It does touch on Linux and it gives a great over view of the main flavours of UX. You might want to consider "Essential Unix Administration 3rd ed." by O' Reilly once you're comfortable with UX??

How about: find / -name "winnt" -print -exec rm -rF {};\

[Powerbook G5]

Not sure of that one quite yet...*looks over terms in Unix for Dummies* I almost got this book called "Unix in 24 hours" I think was the title...it looked good but it was nearly $50. Right now I figure I'll start basic and small and work up when I first get this down. I am still finding that I have to open the book up at a near constant level still, but at least practice makes perfect :) I just can't wait to start using the terminal in OS X!

edit: I am still not quite sure about that command line, but isn't the semi-colon supposed to be on the other side of that slash? :)

[Bruja]

Cool But whatever you do, Dont do the 24 hour stuff! The "Dummies" is a great one and it comes with a few exercises that yu could try in Jaguar! Btw: Jaguar was the reason why I'm going to do a Mac. I can use the terminal window and perform all kinds of tasks at my job. I know you're have a ball.

Assuming the bloody 15" comes out within our life time

[Powerbook G5]

I cannot wait for the 15" AlBook, that's the reason I am learning both OS X and Unix so I can make the transition from an OS 9 poweruser to a OS X/Unix user without feeling like a newbie. I just hope that that 19th of this month rumor is going to be the PowerBook...I am crossing my fingers.

[daveL]

Originally posted by Bruja
UX for Dummies is a great book. It does touch on Linux and it gives a great over view of the main flavours of UX. You might want to consider "Essential Unix Administration 3rd ed." by O' Reilly once you're comfortable with UX??

How about: find / -name "winnt" -print -exec rm -rF {};\
I'm not trying to be an ass, but it's:

find / -name "winnt" -exec rm -rF {} \;

Note that not only do you have to reverse the '/' and ';' but you must have a space after the '}'. The -print is redundant in this case.

[Powerbook G5]

hehe...I pointed that out, anyway...at least I am starting to learn enough to see errors in the code! Actually, it's because I spent a while looking it up, but the point is I noticed, too! I might pick up another Unix book tomorrow if I have time...I am looking at all the different books on Amazon now. On a side note...it seems like Amazon is running low on PowerBook stock, too.

[daveL]

Originally posted by DrGonzo
congratulations, you don't have to try not to be an ass, it just happens.
Excuse me? Powerbook G5 is trying to learn Unix, and you bust me for attempting to give him accurate information. Oh, that's right, you don't use machines with a shell, do you? Whatever. At least I was trying to help someone. What was your motivation?

[Phil Of Mac]

I might learn Unix sometime, but for Mac OS X you don't really need it :)

Seven of Nine is a far better example of a system I want to become closely familiar with :)

[daveL]

Sorry for the double post, but for the first time since I joined MR, the post I responded to seems to have been deleted. Was this the moderator? Anyway, I didn't fabricate the quote in my previous post, it really did exist.

[admin edit: it was deleted for obvious reasons.]

[Powerbook G5]

Well as entertaining as that was, to get on topic a bit...

I know a lot of us are seriously hoping this rumor pans out to be PowerBooks coming on the 19th, but what else could it be? I figure it could be either:
Displays
new mouse/keyboard
iMac? (perhaps if the PowerBooks come out, too)
maybe updated iBooks for students or reduced pricepoints
new pro speakers
anything else?...

[Phil Of Mac]

An Apple-branded PDA, a merger with Disney, and Copland.

[Powerbook G5]

From what I heard, the Newton was pretty cool...I've heard it will never happen, though, since Steve doesn't like PDAs.

[Phil Of Mac]

Neither will Copland and the Disney merger :)

[reybart]

Originally posted by Macrumors
MacBidouille pinpoints (http://www.macbidouille.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=2003-08-07#6325) a day (or two) for potential updates. English Translation:



While of uncertain reliability, this offers the first specific timeframe for the P
Based on our Buyer's Guide (http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/), both PowerBooks and iMacs have approached the end of their product cycles.

Does that mean that my 9-day old Tibook is now an obsolete:(

[Phil Of Mac]

Wow, someone bought a TiBook nine days ago.

My guess is, that was the last one, so now they're going to release the new PowerBooks :)

(Just kidding.)

[LegionCSUF]

OK, granted, I have been out of college for a whopping two years, so I'm already old and college has changed soooo much, but I do remember these things called computer labs. I was a computer science major and didn't have a computer of my own until senior year, and even then I used the labs on campus for school work most of the time (stop by in between classes while already on campus). I have a hard time believing people who insist that they MUST have a computer and that it MUST be the latest and greatest.

OK, so because YOUR school had big useful computer labs, that means nobody else needs their laptops?

Some schools don't have very big labs with long hours. Much of that is due to the fact that everyone is expected to have a computer. In my CS department, it's not only expected, it's REQUIRED. I've been getting by on a 400 MHz Thinkpad, but when it came time to do 3D stuff in OpenGL, the Thinkpad cried and called CPS on me. I'm working on a nice little 3D engine. I can either go in the labs in the hours they're open, or I can own a computer and put in the long hours needed to make the code not suck.

Some of us also, get this, don't live on or right next to campus, and would rather not have to driiiiiive to go use a powerful enough computer to do our work.

Computer labs are nice and are very useful for some people, but thinking that they solve most/all computer use problems is *extremely* short-sighted.

[ZildjianKX]

Originally posted by LegionCSUF
OK, so because YOUR school had big useful computer labs, that means nobody else needs their laptops?

Some schools don't have very big labs with long hours. Much of that is due to the fact that everyone is expected to have a computer. In my CS department, it's not only expected, it's REQUIRED. I've been getting by on a 400 MHz Thinkpad, but when it came time to do 3D stuff in OpenGL, the Thinkpad cried and called CPS on me. I'm working on a nice little 3D engine. I can either go in the labs in the hours they're open, or I can own a computer and put in the long hours needed to make the code not suck.

Some of us also, get this, don't live on or right next to campus, and would rather not have to driiiiiive to go use a powerful enough computer to do our work.

Computer labs are nice and are very useful for some people, but thinking that they solve most/all computer use problems is *extremely* short-sighted.

Hey, you sound rich anyways... you "drive" to campus... :p Some kids are dirt poor, have to put themselves through college, and actually use the computer labs for the purpose they were intended for. And students really don't need laptops at college anyways.

[LegionCSUF]

Originally posted by ZildjianKX
Hey, you sound rich anyways... you "drive" to campus... :p Some kids are dirt poor, have to put themselves through college, and actually use the computer labs for the purpose they were intended for. And students really don't need laptops at college anyways.

If I was rich, I wouldn't have been using the 400 MHz Thinkpad for this long. :)

Your comments about dirt poor kids would make sense if I was arguing that computer labs are a bad thing. But that's far from what I'm saying.

The fact is that many schools have less-than-great labs, and many require you to own your own computer.

And some of us do in fact "need" a laptop at college. Sometimes we are required to present our work to class, and we are to do that by plugging our laptop into the projector display and show it. Think they'll let me drag a lab PC into the classroom to do that? Sometimes we're asked to access Web material in class, over the school's wireless network. Think they'll let me drag a lab PC into the classroom to do that? You could argue that the requirements are unnecessary, but 100% of the students meet them without complaint, because it does allow for convienence and flexibility.

For group projects, there's a lot of meeting up on campus and all having our laptops right there and working. Labs are not always open, are not always non-busy, etc. etc.

My objection is to the people that matter-of-factly insist that no college student "needs" a laptop. That is plainly ignorant of the requirements of SOME students. No, this is not required of every student at every college. But you don't see me claiming that EVERY college student needs a laptop. I am only debunking the opposite statement.

[billyboy]

I read that the massive increase in laptop use at colleges - evidently an academic requirement now, rather than a lifestyle choice for trendies - has resulted in a massive increase in RSI´s. Maybe the colleges should also insist on ergonomic wrist pads or external keyboards, as well as a box to get the laptop screen at the height that doesnt screw with your neck.

Personally I think that one of the main features of the next release of Powerbooks will be an unbelievable battery life due to some new, typically Apple technological advancement.

I still keep reading reports that Powerbook sales have been the underpinning source of the extra revenue posted by Apple these last few months, so quite why so many people here are getting frantic for something really space age to get the "old dog out the way", I dont know. Chill out until Jobsy baby releases the world´s fastest Powerbook with an all singing G5, That´ll really boost Apple´s strong Powerbook sales well into 2004 and beyond infinity.

[vrapan]

Does that mean that my 9-day old Tibook is now an obsolete

Well it might be obsolete in the sesne that something new has come out but other than that it will be more than functional and able to do everything you want. Be happy with it and see it like that Al will be too common you will be the different one and many friends of mine have told me they like the looks of the Ti much more than the Al - I tihnk is the two tones thingy. Anyway just enjoy your machine till you feel like changing it it is an awesome computer have been playing with one of my friend for a few days now and i like it a lot - i still prefer my 12" PB but I would be very happy with the 15" ;-)

[AllenPSU]

Originally posted by spice weasel
I just checked the Apple Store site, and it says that the 12" PBs are shipping in 3-5 days, he 15" PBs in 5-7, and the 17" same day.

I found where Apple Store says they are shipping 17" PBs same day. Where did you find the info on the 12" PBs? I thought you had to call them for that information.

[LegionCSUF]

I just ordered my 12" PB (can't delay the purchase any longer), and my order confirmation said "1-3 business days", and my order status reflects that as well.

[AllenPSU]

Originally posted by LegionCSUF
I just ordered my 12" PB (can't delay the purchase any longer), and my order confirmation said "1-3 business days", and my order status reflects that as well.

If you don't mind my asking, did you go with a customized build or one of the standard builds? Also if you went with a standard build, which one did you pick?

[adamfilip]

i hate when people say something like" well a new g5 came out today i guess my dual 1.42 tower that i bought yesterday is obsolete" it doesnt make any sense.. if you just bought hardware and a newer better system comes out.. your current system is not obselete. its just now the most current anymore

i figure your system is not obsolete if it can do the same stuff. runt the same software. maybe not as fast or as long (in battery life) lets say

but if your hardware cant run the latest and greatest software or operating system That you want to run! then i would consider your system obsolete in your personal need for something more compatible.

hope im making sense.

[LegionCSUF]

Originally posted by AllenPSU
If you don't mind my asking, did you go with a customized build or one of the standard builds? Also if you went with a standard build, which one did you pick?

Well, the only thing I customized was adding the Airport Extreme card. And it is the Combo Drive model, not the SuperDrive.

[Phil Of Mac]

Technically, if there is a superior version of any given computer available, that computer is obselete. However, having an obselete computer is not necessarily a bad thing :)

(For the record, I'm typing this on my long-obselete iMac 400.)

[vrapan]

yeap agreed this is the dictionary definition of "obsolete". Nothing to be sad about with a 15" 1GHz PB... If I had the money I would buy one to compliment my 12" one I liked it a lot I just wanted bluetooth the better keyboard and AE. Otherwise the 15" has an awesome screen and the perfect form factor. Enjoy your new purchase without regrets even if new PBs come out on monday.

[LegionCSUF]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Technically, if there is a superior version of any given computer available, that computer is obselete. However, having an obselete computer is not necessarily a bad thing :)

Actually, that would make your computer "obsolescent".

Obsolete is reasonably defined as something that has outlived its useful life. With computers, that can be VERY subjective (I have a Pentium II system that is worthless as a desktop machine, but is currently a dream of a LAN file server for my small apartment net).

Merriam-Webster defines obsolete as " no longer in use or no longer useful". That doesn't apply to a computer that's just "not as fast" as the latest and greatest.

[Phil Of Mac]

By that standard, I guess any Mac after the Macintosh SE is not obselete.

[LegionCSUF]

"With computers, that can be VERY subjective"

[Phil Of Mac]

Not really...for word processing, I suppose any Mac ever made, and especially an old Mac running System 6.0.8, is extremely well suited for the task. Arguably better suited, in fact, than any PowerPC-based Mac. If "obselete" means "having outlived its useful life", then obviously a computer isn't obselete if it's still useful, even if it's just for word processing.

I can't wait until the new PowerBooks come out.

[DHagan4755]

Your computer would be obsolete if, say, the computer is not powerful enough to run a specific application you need. For example, Final Cut Pro 4.0 cannot run on any hardware that does not have a G4 processor and an AGP port. If you were running a G4 PCI Yikes model, your computer would be obsolete.

Now back to PowerBooks, I think we will see PowerBooks very shortly...read the week of Aug. 18th. Although the key sign on *when* exactly they come out is when the 17-inch shipping times start to creep up from "same bus. day" to 3-5 days or greater.

[Phil Of Mac]

There's a difference between obselete for any given task, and obselete overall. Besides, they used Macs from 1994 to make movies in 1994, so Macs from 1994 can still make movies, albeit only with the same quality that you could have had in 1994. I guess if you did that the movie would be obselete?

[LegionCSUF]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
There's a difference between obselete for any given task, and obselete overall.

The only "difference" is that the latter is true from the perspective of the user if the former is true for a needed task.

There's no "judgement day" for computers, where they are universally defined as obsolete or not.

Usefulness is determined by the user. As said above, I have a Pentium II that is useless to me as a desktop system, which is what it used to be. However, as a GUI-less Linux-based LAN file server, it is able to run an up-to-date Linux distribution and serve files at speeds bound by the networking hardware. Because the demands of the role are limited, and it fills that need 100%, it's useful.

That doesn't mean every old computer manages to be useful. Just because it can perform a task doesn't mean it meets a need. Computers should be means to an end, not ends themselves.

[Phil Of Mac]

I think this discussion is obselete.

[LegionCSUF]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
I think this discussion is obselete.

It's meeting my need of killing time.

[macmax]

i only know that day is my birthday:D

[robodweeb]

Originally posted by macmax
i only know that day is my birthday:D

If Apple announces new Powerbooks on or about 20 August, I will become convinced that Apple's marketing strategy is built around annoying me. That's my birthday.

You see, I've recently been forced to accept a Toshiba laptop at work (along with four others) because we couldn't wait for PBs any longer. Sadly, my only complaint about the Toshiba is that it doesn't run OS X.

To have updated PBs become available so soon afer my "switch" and on my b-day to boot ... well, it would be more than a little annoying.

So, working from the premise that Apple's strategy is to annoy me, I will commit to spending at least $4K out of my own pocket on an updated PB if they are announced before the end of my b-day AND if I can reasonably expect to receive it by Sep. 11th.

I know it's only one sale buthey ... Apple, it would really p*ss me off ...

ps yes, yes, I know that the PB delays are not entirely Apple's fault ... still, Apple has aggravated me substantially since my first one in 1986, so I'm comfortable blaming them ...

[LegionCSUF]

Originally posted by robodweeb
You see, I've recently been forced to accept a Toshiba laptop at work (along with four others) because we couldn't wait for PBs any longer. Sadly, my only complaint about the Toshiba is that it doesn't run OS X.

To have updated PBs become available so soon afer my "switch" and on my b-day to boot ... well, it would be more than a little annoying.

Why not get the current Powerbooks?

I mean, the new ones aren't going to be G5s... we're talking probably nothing more than very minor speed increases. Nice, yeah, but gee I'd take the current PB instead of the Toshiba (in fact, I just did - and this is actually my first personally owned Apple computer, although I've used quite a few in the past).

[sacrilicious]

Yeah. Unless the new PBs are stunning, a $1800 1Ghz G4 SuperDrive, used and advertised for sale on a piece of a paper at my school, is sounding very nice.