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Shorties
Aug 24, 2007, 03:46 PM
The only reason I did not get a 80GB iPod 3 weeks ago with the rebate when I bought my Macbook Pro (I got the Nano instead and sold it to a friend) was because I wanted something bigger (I have over 100GBs of legally obtained music and movies) and I kept hearing rumors of a new iPod. But I keep hearing things about more flash memory, which drives me crazy. I don't care about battery life as much as I do about space, and the limited flash space was the main reason I did not get an iPhone. So basically I am asking what do you think? What are the rumors pointing to? If the iPod "Touch" turns out to be flash based I am going to go to my local store and try to find an 80GB 5.5 Gen to buy.



zap2
Aug 24, 2007, 03:59 PM
Well with rumors 4 models, I'm expecting a

shuffle replacement-smaller, maybe more memory, still no screen etc
nano replacment....we've all seen the pics, w/ video, fatter and shotter.
iPod 6G-Hard drive based, click wheel , more storage.
iPod touch-iPhone with out the phone.

storage
Aug 24, 2007, 04:11 PM
I hope for both. 80gb and 120/160gb with 512/1024mb flash memory. General storage on the HDD, most played from your iTunes library or whatever items you want on the flash memory to conserve battery life.

Might take up some extra (physical) space, though.

rockthecasbah
Aug 24, 2007, 04:17 PM
maybe both, definitely hard drive based. Flash is still too limited a capacity for a media device that supports video (i think it taps out at 32GB?) ... Yet i'm sure those components are quite expensive so who knows if we'll even see Flash drives for full size iPods...

You can safely rest assured that you'll get a higher capacity iPod like you want, do not run out and buy a 5th gen now :)

Loge
Aug 24, 2007, 04:27 PM
There is no way Apple is going to risk losing many thousands of customers by discontinuing the HDD based iPod, until there is an alternative that offers similar storage.

Recent developments such as offering higher bit rate songs from iTMS and efforts to expand the range of video offerings, and internationally, all point to hardware with more storage not less.

robPOD
Aug 24, 2007, 04:31 PM
32gb flash memory is so expensive it would be pointless putting it into an iPod.

madmaxmedia
Aug 24, 2007, 05:27 PM
I'm pretty sure they'll still have 2 HD players. The only question is what sizes- hopefully 60GB and 120GB? I would settle for 30GB and 100GB though.

storage
Aug 24, 2007, 06:22 PM
My guess is that they'll drop the 30gb, and go either 60 or 80gb on the "low end".

homeboy
Aug 24, 2007, 09:49 PM
The iPod touch will be hard drive based.

ds252
Aug 25, 2007, 12:26 AM
It better be HDD or all this waiting was for not, i know i won't use 80 GB so waiting for a 120 or something along those lines was pointless but i just couldn't live with 16GB

SactoGuy18
Aug 25, 2007, 08:23 PM
The new full-screen iPod video (6G) will be hard drive based. Reason is simple: video takes up a LOT of storage space even with H.264 compression, and the only way to accommodate multiple movies on the new iPod is to put it on a hard drive.

aswitcher
Aug 25, 2007, 08:52 PM
Well with rumors 4 models, I'm expecting a

shuffle replacement-smaller, maybe more memory, still no screen etc
nano replacment....we've all seen the pics, w/ video, fatter and shotter.
iPod 6G-Hard drive based, click wheel , more storage.
iPod touch-iPhone with out the phone.

Shuffle - I wonder if the shuffle might get a small screen.

Nano - Yeah, nano, bigger flash memory, bigger better screen.

iPod 6G - Yeah HDD maybe up to 160GB. And yeah, maybe not touch but wheel a) thats what the rumours are saying; b) touchscreen may not work well with HDD tech

Pod Touch - Flash memory maybe 8 and 16 GB, so bigger than iPhone but not any bigger because of cost

homeboy
Aug 25, 2007, 09:09 PM
The new full-screen iPod video (6G) will be hard drive based. Reason is simple: video takes up a LOT of storage space even with H.264 compression, and the only way to accommodate multiple movies on the new iPod is to put it on a hard drive.

Exactly! The whole point with a big screen is to watch videos on and they take a whole lot of space. 8-16GB is too little to accommodate both video and a whole lot of music. Therefore it is really logical for the iPod touch to feature a HDD and become apple first proper PMP.

Shorties
Sep 3, 2007, 04:40 PM
New rumors aren't looking too good (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/03/apple-to-unveil-new-flash-based-ipods-digital-radio/) Thoughts?

aethelbert
Sep 3, 2007, 04:48 PM
New rumors aren't looking too good (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/03/apple-to-unveil-new-flash-based-ipods-digital-radio/) Thoughts?
I really doubt that they will move completely to flash storage right now. That would be a really stupid move.

iTim314
Sep 3, 2007, 04:49 PM
maybe both, definitely hard drive based. Flash is still too limited a capacity for a media device that supports video (i think it taps out at 32GB?) ...)

http://www.electronista.com/articles/07/05/29/pqi.256gb.solid.state

Actually, they top out at 256Gb. :) Irrelevant, I know, but I figured I'd share that.

But I completely agree with you in the aspect that putting Flash memory into a video iPod like that is 100% pointless.

Gen3tix
Sep 3, 2007, 05:09 PM
Yea, making the full sized iPod flash-based just wouldn't really make much sense. Considering flash is pretty expensive, and comes in smaller capacities, Apple won't make a full switch to flash memory with this refresh. Perhaps in the future? Maybe.

I'm going to say maybe 100 or 120gb hdd's in the next full sized iPod.

psychofreak
Sep 3, 2007, 05:12 PM
http://www.electronista.com/articles/07/05/29/pqi.256gb.solid.state

Actually, they top out at 256Gb. :) Irrelevant, I know, but I figured I'd share that.

But I completely agree with you in the aspect that putting Flash memory into a video iPod like that is 100% pointless.

Not at iPod sizes, its much less than 256GB at 1.8" :)

coryetzkorn
Sep 3, 2007, 08:30 PM
I don't get why 32Gb Flash is so expensive. I can understand why a 32Gb SD card would cost a fortune, but why would this be the same case with the full-size iPod? Can't you just daisy-chain a bunch of 4Gb cards in the same space an HDD would fit into?

Can someone clarify this? Thanks.:apple:

Dagless
Sep 3, 2007, 09:10 PM
What is this iPod I keep hearing about?

zflauaus
Sep 3, 2007, 10:37 PM
I don't get why 32Gb Flash is so expensive. I can understand why a 32Gb SD card would cost a fortune, but why would this be the same case with the full-size iPod? Can't you just daisy-chain a bunch of 4Gb cards in the same space an HDD would fit into?

Can someone clarify this? Thanks.:apple:
Well, using your knowledge, let's take an iPod nano for instance. It's about $90 to make the entire thing, so let's say that $40 is the 4GB chip. 40 x 8 = $320. You also must factor in the cost of other components, so let's just say $320 + 120 = $440. Add a 40% markup carried over from the nano = $616. So it's just not beneficial to Apple or the consumers. Plus also you may have to have flash controllers for every card, and the size of it (considering the 2GB nano had two individual 1GB chips) wouldn't be plausible.